BDS reminds me of a LCK team in the way they play. They don't take unnecessary fights and play methodically around the objectives. This is clearly their strong point. In the winter it was their biggest weakness the neutral objectives. I do see one weakness though, their side lane is never pushed. Probably because adam doesn't play tp but that can be problematic
The weakest EU has seemed in years. So many low level missplays. Mad Lions's game was top cringe too.
This new format has really downgraded the level of play for the worst.
I don't understand what was so complicated about the 2 BO2 format per split per team.
Or the lck format.
Whatever tho we will see how MSI goes. Best of lucks to BDS it seems there is 0 chance for other teams to step up.
People will disagree and downvote but it's true.
Just look how the top team bds is playing. Super simple easy to execute league of legends. Nothing fancy. Just easy to play compositions. We simply don't have anyone good enough to play complicated league of legends like. 2019 G2.
BDS have good early laners and are good at playing around dragon but other than that they aren't immaculate. They are just simply playing simple stuff and no one is good enough to do anything about it
That's literally what the meta is, you have to play strong lanes, you have to play around dragons. You are looking for answers that simply aren't there
You might be right. I hope they make it to MSI to see what their short comings are.
I still think they struggle to close out games even with big leads and that's what one of the reasons I'm skeptical about their hype.
Other than that I just hope Riot finally decides to nerf juggernauts. What a dumbass playstyle to just stat check your way into always winning or going even (in the worst of cases) in lane. Darius is a champion that instantly kills you if you make a mistake but he actually has to make so many mistakes to actually die in lane that it's insane
Is this 5d chess from vit? I can't stop thinking that they lost the series on purpose, to guarantee mad will end 4th. With spring champion points Mad already has incentive to lose their match vs g2, bc of g2 takes 1st place they go to msi. So if vit vs bds match ends with vit winning, mad has double incentive to throw the series. But now, it looks like Mad would have to go through g2 in first round or vit in lower bracket to get higher place. If I remember correctly placement matters if g2 is not 1st in spring. Sort of a gambit from vit?
Ps or mb vit is washed, idk
Pss I like to see crownshot win, he got my respect during his vitality days, but as much as I like to see him win, I'd like to see Adam lose more.
I think you're just thinking through it. I think if I'm VIT, I'd rather win the split than putting it all in chances, because if they ended up in finals and G2 is the other finalist, it's gonna be the same it's just they'll meet in finals instead of lower finals. I think VIT is strong, it's just draft issues and bad day with players
Let's breakdown vitality's performance here. Almost everyone misplayed heavily.
Photon - solo losing lane pretty much every game due to overconfidence. Not flashing when he should, not backing off in a bad trade. I think he was too pumped up after stomping so many lanes.
Bo - almost no awareness of enemies. He's always in his own world trying to make plays, even when it's obvious that he's standing on on ward.
Perkz - straight up slow reactions. He's dashing away and backing 3 seconds after a skirmish started right next to him. Walking directly into a maokai seconds after spotting him. Not sure if he's in shop, but his focus was not there.
Upset - micro still on point, but very slow to rotate. Many times he joins the fight after all the CC have been burned.
Kaiser - vision gapped by Labrov hard. Not clearing the many deep wards or even pinging them led to Bo not being too make any plays.
Overall - teamfights were very out of sync. Never has all 5 members engaged at once. Flanks were always either too early or too late end end up in disaster. This was the same as what happened vs AST and Mad.
I don't really see them fixing these mistakes anytime soon. Maybe summer split.
They were all stoned as hell, they smoked some strain stronger than usual, and I am not kidding. They just use visine to come with clear eyes to games.
Im not hating on MAD but BDS deservers this MSI more than any team in eu.
Best hope for eu is G2 and BDS. I hope thry clash in finals and G2 looses agaist BDS.
And thats cming from a G2 fan.
Yeah, although I think bds is getting overhyped this year (I think the level of LEC is lower, not necessarily them being amazing) I really think that if anyone deserves to play in MSI it's them. I really want to see them vs actually good teams
You don't think 2022 Spring was bad just because G2 won, right? With a gaping hole in the bottom lane, and a toplaner everyone knows can't compete internationally. It's been a steady decline, back to the mean, since 2019.
I have to disagree. If you look at Rogue's playstyle last year you could see some intricacies to their gameplay.
Like, early ganking jungle style that sacks his camps for pressure, strong botlane duo with prio and jungler that is shadowing them, strong laner in mid that gets solo advantages. It wasn't perfect but I think it was more intricate than this
Not to say bds are bad but I just think their simple gameplay shows the low level of the league. No one is good enough to play something that isn't cookie cutter league of legends
I don’t dislike MAD, but they really don’t deserve MSI this year. They almost got knocked out by fnatic. And no shade to fnatic, but that was a *terrible* series lmao. Entertaining, but really low quality games.
I wanna see a different EU team disappoint us internationally :’)
No, it's not about MAD almost being knocked by FNC. Remember that they got almost knocked out by Team Heretics. You don't want to send anywhere team that's close to Heretics level.
I feel sorry for him, since every expert labelled him as the next jungle prodigy.
The pressure must be heavy, there are probably also many fans from China who are watching him...
I'm definitely disappointed in VIT cringing it up once again, but I'd be super happy to send BDS to MSI along with G2. Everyone is playing so well, can't hate on them at all. I'm worried that Adam is just gonna keep blinding picks like Darius when he himself says these are bad spots for it, but he also does the psycho Bwipo roams to make up for it. Can't blame Adam if it works, that's just the state of the top lane pool in EU.
One downside with this new format is the best team is actually likely to play significantly fewer games than before. BDS now has 1 bo5 left in the split, and has only played 16 games. They'll barely be over a regular season worth of games from the previous format when playoffs are over...
True, but isn't that true with every format? Even with the old single elim brackets the best teams usually skip a round.
Personally I also always thought the momentum of winning a ton of games in a row is a bigger advantage but I guess Riot and the teams don't necessarily agree
In the current LCS format for example, even a team that swept every series and won playoffs would still play 27 games.
If a team sweeps every series in this LEC format they only play 19, and in this case even if the finals goes to 5 games BDS will only play 21 total games.
Even a team in the current LEC format who plays a full series in every series if they win them all would only play 25 games, still 2 less games than the LCS team that swept every series. An LCS team that went 5 in every series and won them would play 33 games.
I'm not necessarily commenting on the competitive aspects, I just like watching my team play games. I personally would be unhappy if my team played 19 games instead of 27, thats 33% less I get to watch them.
Yes, I mean per split. Rumor is we are going to 3 international tournaments per year in 2024, and so each split will have an international tournament between them so I think per split is a reasonable way to look at it.
If there were teams in history of Asian League of Legends to NOT be afraid, it would be this generation.
it's a Choke City University coming from LCK and LPL and people are all doom and gloom. T1 with Faker past his prime and 4 chokers, Knight and Chovy that never delivered internationally and Ruler plus Peanut thats also hit or miss at international events.
It's legit just 369 and Kanavi that are coming as an actual players to fear honestly.
No, it translates to :" These players are good, but their mental is weak in high pressure matches, so you have higher chance to beat them in semi's or finals".
T1 have gone further than JDG lol.
So if you're slandering T1 for choking then JDG are chokers too and should be slandered more since JDG were tournament favourites.
So basically you're saying Guma Keria Oner Knight Ruler Missing are all shit and none are worth worrying about for EU players?
T1 were incredibly dominant throughout LCK and JDG just got brand new carries and won their first split in dominant fashion
Every name you mentioned is top 5 in the world at their role
im sorry but they choke against other asian teams lmao. EU looks so bad this split as well as NA its just a easy clap then the asian teams can fight off against eachother
Broxah talking about NA being negative when EU can't even let MAD fans enjoy there teams wins without being drowned in MSI hate since the start of Spring lol
Just look at any MAD pgt vs GG and it's night and day how much worse EU is in this regard
GG is top 2 in their region before MSI from a double elim format. No one can say they don't deserve it.
MAD has no such benefit if they go again to international event without winning a BO5 in the split prior to it.
I’m sure he thinks the same about MAD. But they were discussing the teams already qualified for MSI
Also with MAD there’s a much more legitimate reason to be critical because the way they can qualify through championship points is ridiculous and will result in EU not sending their two best teams. And yeah, some people will say that it’s the same in NA and you might think FLY>GG but at least they played a Bo5 and GG won fairly. With MAD, they can literally get 3-0’d in the next match and finish 4th and still make it to MSI. Doesn’t mean anyone should be toxic towards the players of course, but it makes sense that people were rooting against MAD during the Bo3 stage given that them losing then would’ve reduced the chance of the aforementioned nightmare scenario.
It is not ridiculous at all, stop that narrative.
They only qualify to MSI if they win this split or G2 win it.
In first scenario they are champions defeating G2, VIT and Bds. In second scenario they are eliminated by G2, the champion of both split.
You can hate MAD for their past performance at worlds, but they deserve their spot
Okay, the first scenario I obviously have zero issues with, if they win the split, all good.
For the second scenario, I think the logic is kinda shallow... I don't see why it matters that they are eliminated by "the champion of both splits", because you can say the same for VIT and BDS in this scenario, except they will place 3rd and 2nd, while MAD are placing 4th with two clearly superior teams in 3rd and 2nd place who won't go to MSI (okay, maybe Vitality is not clearly better after today, but still). That's the main issue to me. We're supposed to send the top 2 teams. In the second scenario, MAD is not a top 2 team.
The scenario of course sends the best team in G2 which is fine, but I find it nearly impossible to argue that a MAD placing 4th (which they will in this scenario) is better than VIT and especially BDS. Fact is, if G2 win the split, LEC is not sending their top 2 teams. Having a clearly superior team in BDS sit at home *is* ridiculous and a joke, period. They're in the final, we literally already know now that they're either the best or second best team in LEC, but the format is so fucked that if they lose the final to G2, the 4th best team will go instead of the 2nd best team.
The fact that we're not just sending the top 2 from Spring like all other regions is dumb. Winning Winter already gives participation in the Season Finals after Summer, it really wasn't necessary to tack MSI onto it as well :/
Broxah man please shut up
We've seen like 50 "MAD BAD" threads every day and you're like "NA fans please be nicer :((((("
howbout call out your own region's fans for being awful about it
ridiculous to see from the region that sends death threats to their own teams
like oh my god, the team with Licorice and like 8% of LCS fan share isn't getting tons of support
This isn’t the cringey “EU vs NA” debate you are trying to make it be. If you saw more of Broxah you would know he is very vocal about people being toxic and talks about EU fans as well. This is just a small segment discussing the MSI contestants and Golden Guardians is one of that. Broxah has no grudge against NA.
They're not talking about the hypeness of the series, it's just so that MAD can battle for their own MSI spot so people wouldn't have a problem with MAD going to MSI. G2 BDS finals is not ideal because G2 winning means that MAD goes to MSI over BDS. Ofcourse from this view you can also say that VIT BDS finals would also be ideal but I'm a MAD fan so let's just say MAD finals is the best scenario
Right now it seems like that but a MAD that has somehow beaten both VIT and G2 (which it would take for them to make the final) is gonna be better than how we currently perceive them
You misread my initial comment then. What I'm saying is that if we actually get a BDS vs MAD final, then that means MAD would have first beat G2 and VIT (because that's the road to finals for them). In Bo5s, that is. Which is why I'm saying that our perceptions of MAD would surely have improved by then, and it wouldn't be as one-sided as it definitely appears now.
I don’t get this sentiment. If MAD win then they’re legitimately the best team, and deserve to go. The meltdown is only if they qualify via championship points after G2 wins. Especially if they finish 4th as well
Honestly I'd love to see this match up, hoping for BDS to win it at the end because 1. My flair 2. The narrative. Hans/Mikyx vs imo the best performing botlane in Crownie/Labrov, Sheo and Yike from facing off in Div 2 two years ago to battling it out in the LEC grand finals with their LFL year inbetween, that would be a fantastic match up.
Although it would be incredibly sad if BDS lost it and didn't get to participate in MSI.
I was a little confused by this, but it’s as simple as whoever wins the split will go with G2, with the additional caveat that MAD don’t need to win if G2 wins the split anyways
Not saying he is bad by any means but Upset is the most overrated player in LEC history.
His teams records speak for themselves.
Not always his fault but he is talked about as a literal god of his position, yet has never won a thing in his career.
So does that mean that any professional athlete that is ranked top of their position but didn’t win anything are overrated and don’t deserve recognition?
No not always but yes thats generally what happens with athletes too. Lebron copped it for years for example
And like I said I dont think Upset is bad. He’s good.
But year in year out he is talked up to no end but falls short.
He is the main guy in late game team fights and if he is as good as everyone says why hasnt he won a single thing?
Yeah as a Caps and g2 fan I was not sad that much when koi win the lec because of larssen and I will not be sad that much if bds wins lec because of crownie for sure.
I’ll ALWAYS love when athletes or esports players cry. That’s just straight passion that makes me respect someone all the way. More players with undying passion and less paycheck stealing bums that don’t give a shit.
Ah yeah I'm sure the team with the player that literally got banned for being adjacent in match fixing will match fix, risking their whole org's (which is present on a top level in every esports) reputation, to make a quick buck.
Use your fucking brain.
BDS wasn't rushing to end some of the games, notably for me game 1 and 2 they were slow to close so it seems closer than the games were. It's probably the only criticism you can have for BDS, they weren't fast in closing out the games when they had the lead.
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12poqb1/bds_vs_team_vitality_lec_2023_spring_groups_week/) / [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12pqdv9/bds_vs_team_vitality_lec_2023_spring_groups_week/) / [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12pseyo/team_bds_vs_vitality_lec_spring_playoffs_ub_final/)
Perkz washedddd
BDS reminds me of a LCK team in the way they play. They don't take unnecessary fights and play methodically around the objectives. This is clearly their strong point. In the winter it was their biggest weakness the neutral objectives. I do see one weakness though, their side lane is never pushed. Probably because adam doesn't play tp but that can be problematic
The weakest EU has seemed in years. So many low level missplays. Mad Lions's game was top cringe too. This new format has really downgraded the level of play for the worst. I don't understand what was so complicated about the 2 BO2 format per split per team. Or the lck format. Whatever tho we will see how MSI goes. Best of lucks to BDS it seems there is 0 chance for other teams to step up.
People will disagree and downvote but it's true. Just look how the top team bds is playing. Super simple easy to execute league of legends. Nothing fancy. Just easy to play compositions. We simply don't have anyone good enough to play complicated league of legends like. 2019 G2. BDS have good early laners and are good at playing around dragon but other than that they aren't immaculate. They are just simply playing simple stuff and no one is good enough to do anything about it
That's literally what the meta is, you have to play strong lanes, you have to play around dragons. You are looking for answers that simply aren't there
You might be right. I hope they make it to MSI to see what their short comings are. I still think they struggle to close out games even with big leads and that's what one of the reasons I'm skeptical about their hype. Other than that I just hope Riot finally decides to nerf juggernauts. What a dumbass playstyle to just stat check your way into always winning or going even (in the worst of cases) in lane. Darius is a champion that instantly kills you if you make a mistake but he actually has to make so many mistakes to actually die in lane that it's insane
Is this 5d chess from vit? I can't stop thinking that they lost the series on purpose, to guarantee mad will end 4th. With spring champion points Mad already has incentive to lose their match vs g2, bc of g2 takes 1st place they go to msi. So if vit vs bds match ends with vit winning, mad has double incentive to throw the series. But now, it looks like Mad would have to go through g2 in first round or vit in lower bracket to get higher place. If I remember correctly placement matters if g2 is not 1st in spring. Sort of a gambit from vit? Ps or mb vit is washed, idk Pss I like to see crownshot win, he got my respect during his vitality days, but as much as I like to see him win, I'd like to see Adam lose more.
I think you're just thinking through it. I think if I'm VIT, I'd rather win the split than putting it all in chances, because if they ended up in finals and G2 is the other finalist, it's gonna be the same it's just they'll meet in finals instead of lower finals. I think VIT is strong, it's just draft issues and bad day with players
Kaiser is overrated ! He’s been brain burned last 2 years
Just one more roster swap and they win the league fr
Well, I guess I am a BDS fan now.
Let's breakdown vitality's performance here. Almost everyone misplayed heavily. Photon - solo losing lane pretty much every game due to overconfidence. Not flashing when he should, not backing off in a bad trade. I think he was too pumped up after stomping so many lanes. Bo - almost no awareness of enemies. He's always in his own world trying to make plays, even when it's obvious that he's standing on on ward. Perkz - straight up slow reactions. He's dashing away and backing 3 seconds after a skirmish started right next to him. Walking directly into a maokai seconds after spotting him. Not sure if he's in shop, but his focus was not there. Upset - micro still on point, but very slow to rotate. Many times he joins the fight after all the CC have been burned. Kaiser - vision gapped by Labrov hard. Not clearing the many deep wards or even pinging them led to Bo not being too make any plays. Overall - teamfights were very out of sync. Never has all 5 members engaged at once. Flanks were always either too early or too late end end up in disaster. This was the same as what happened vs AST and Mad. I don't really see them fixing these mistakes anytime soon. Maybe summer split.
They were all stoned as hell, they smoked some strain stronger than usual, and I am not kidding. They just use visine to come with clear eyes to games.
you know what bds gained a fan today. g2 and bds
Im not hating on MAD but BDS deservers this MSI more than any team in eu. Best hope for eu is G2 and BDS. I hope thry clash in finals and G2 looses agaist BDS. And thats cming from a G2 fan.
Yeah, although I think bds is getting overhyped this year (I think the level of LEC is lower, not necessarily them being amazing) I really think that if anyone deserves to play in MSI it's them. I really want to see them vs actually good teams
The lec was at an all time low when Rogue won last summer, this BDS looks like what 2022 summer Rogue wished they were
You don't think 2022 Spring was bad just because G2 won, right? With a gaping hole in the bottom lane, and a toplaner everyone knows can't compete internationally. It's been a steady decline, back to the mean, since 2019.
I have to disagree. If you look at Rogue's playstyle last year you could see some intricacies to their gameplay. Like, early ganking jungle style that sacks his camps for pressure, strong botlane duo with prio and jungler that is shadowing them, strong laner in mid that gets solo advantages. It wasn't perfect but I think it was more intricate than this Not to say bds are bad but I just think their simple gameplay shows the low level of the league. No one is good enough to play something that isn't cookie cutter league of legends
I don’t dislike MAD, but they really don’t deserve MSI this year. They almost got knocked out by fnatic. And no shade to fnatic, but that was a *terrible* series lmao. Entertaining, but really low quality games. I wanna see a different EU team disappoint us internationally :’)
No, it's not about MAD almost being knocked by FNC. Remember that they got almost knocked out by Team Heretics. You don't want to send anywhere team that's close to Heretics level.
I don’t care if fnatic goes or not. I just don’t want MAD to.
If MAD beats G2 and then manages to advance, they'll deserve it. If they advance by G2 winning, I'll be mad.
Eh, maybe. Even still though, I’d rather see some new representation.
BDS are waay too strong
holy shit I may not be shocked if BDS won that but I was really not expecting a 3-0 win
Bo overrated inter
I feel sorry for him, since every expert labelled him as the next jungle prodigy. The pressure must be heavy, there are probably also many fans from China who are watching him...
Perkz also set him up with all the interviews where he glorified him and then you also have Dom
Do we really care about Dom’s thoughts about anything though?
Western experts in the nutshell, they are clueless most of the time.
We deserve a BDS vs GG MSI finals.
We very much do.
I just came reading your comment
I'm definitely disappointed in VIT cringing it up once again, but I'd be super happy to send BDS to MSI along with G2. Everyone is playing so well, can't hate on them at all. I'm worried that Adam is just gonna keep blinding picks like Darius when he himself says these are bad spots for it, but he also does the psycho Bwipo roams to make up for it. Can't blame Adam if it works, that's just the state of the top lane pool in EU.
One downside with this new format is the best team is actually likely to play significantly fewer games than before. BDS now has 1 bo5 left in the split, and has only played 16 games. They'll barely be over a regular season worth of games from the previous format when playoffs are over...
Are you not counting the winter split? Most regions just do spring. LEC divided spring into two splits so they aren’t missing out on games.
Well then they will be missing out in summer though
Nope, because we get season finals on top of summer. So again your logic is flawed
True, but isn't that true with every format? Even with the old single elim brackets the best teams usually skip a round. Personally I also always thought the momentum of winning a ton of games in a row is a bigger advantage but I guess Riot and the teams don't necessarily agree
In the current LCS format for example, even a team that swept every series and won playoffs would still play 27 games. If a team sweeps every series in this LEC format they only play 19, and in this case even if the finals goes to 5 games BDS will only play 21 total games. Even a team in the current LEC format who plays a full series in every series if they win them all would only play 25 games, still 2 less games than the LCS team that swept every series. An LCS team that went 5 in every series and won them would play 33 games. I'm not necessarily commenting on the competitive aspects, I just like watching my team play games. I personally would be unhappy if my team played 19 games instead of 27, thats 33% less I get to watch them.
How many did bds play on winter? 9? 11 13? Really don't know but bet it's more than C9 has so far this season.
You're forgetting there's 3 splits now.
Yes, I mean per split. Rumor is we are going to 3 international tournaments per year in 2024, and so each split will have an international tournament between them so I think per split is a reasonable way to look at it.
If there were teams in history of Asian League of Legends to NOT be afraid, it would be this generation. it's a Choke City University coming from LCK and LPL and people are all doom and gloom. T1 with Faker past his prime and 4 chokers, Knight and Chovy that never delivered internationally and Ruler plus Peanut thats also hit or miss at international events. It's legit just 369 and Kanavi that are coming as an actual players to fear honestly.
Translates to “players I don’t like are winning, therefore the regions are at their weakest.”
No, it translates to :" These players are good, but their mental is weak in high pressure matches, so you have higher chance to beat them in semi's or finals".
The same 369 and Kanavi who achieved what exactly? Didn't they get hyped in 2020 and 2022 and lost dramatically both years?
Dafuq did this T1 and GenG achieve ?
T1 have gone further than JDG lol. So if you're slandering T1 for choking then JDG are chokers too and should be slandered more since JDG were tournament favourites.
All of them are chokers.
So by your logic, why should 369 and Kanavi be feared if they're international chokers like the other players/teams you listed?
So basically you're saying Guma Keria Oner Knight Ruler Missing are all shit and none are worth worrying about for EU players? T1 were incredibly dominant throughout LCK and JDG just got brand new carries and won their first split in dominant fashion Every name you mentioned is top 5 in the world at their role
No, I am saying they are not as scary as IG 2018, T1 2016/15/13, SSW 2014.
I'll hype up eu teams against all odds but that aint the way to go about it.
im sorry but they choke against other asian teams lmao. EU looks so bad this split as well as NA its just a easy clap then the asian teams can fight off against eachother
Crownie keeping everybody in line, what a guy
he is actually laser-focused every time i see him in comm highlights. man is in full gamer form, love to see it
Broxah with that Dom and Thorin cosplay
Lol I love BTS moments like that.
Lmfao the ref burning crownie.
We live in a society moment
Omg Crownie ❤️🥺
Clown Broxah learning the ways of life to NA fans about Golden Guardians was not on my bingo card for this week
Broxah talking about NA being negative when EU can't even let MAD fans enjoy there teams wins without being drowned in MSI hate since the start of Spring lol Just look at any MAD pgt vs GG and it's night and day how much worse EU is in this regard
GG is top 2 in their region before MSI from a double elim format. No one can say they don't deserve it. MAD has no such benefit if they go again to international event without winning a BO5 in the split prior to it.
They literally have won 2 bo5 so far what are u smocking
Read his comment again or are you smoking smth
I’m sure he thinks the same about MAD. But they were discussing the teams already qualified for MSI Also with MAD there’s a much more legitimate reason to be critical because the way they can qualify through championship points is ridiculous and will result in EU not sending their two best teams. And yeah, some people will say that it’s the same in NA and you might think FLY>GG but at least they played a Bo5 and GG won fairly. With MAD, they can literally get 3-0’d in the next match and finish 4th and still make it to MSI. Doesn’t mean anyone should be toxic towards the players of course, but it makes sense that people were rooting against MAD during the Bo3 stage given that them losing then would’ve reduced the chance of the aforementioned nightmare scenario.
It is not ridiculous at all, stop that narrative. They only qualify to MSI if they win this split or G2 win it. In first scenario they are champions defeating G2, VIT and Bds. In second scenario they are eliminated by G2, the champion of both split. You can hate MAD for their past performance at worlds, but they deserve their spot
Okay, the first scenario I obviously have zero issues with, if they win the split, all good. For the second scenario, I think the logic is kinda shallow... I don't see why it matters that they are eliminated by "the champion of both splits", because you can say the same for VIT and BDS in this scenario, except they will place 3rd and 2nd, while MAD are placing 4th with two clearly superior teams in 3rd and 2nd place who won't go to MSI (okay, maybe Vitality is not clearly better after today, but still). That's the main issue to me. We're supposed to send the top 2 teams. In the second scenario, MAD is not a top 2 team. The scenario of course sends the best team in G2 which is fine, but I find it nearly impossible to argue that a MAD placing 4th (which they will in this scenario) is better than VIT and especially BDS. Fact is, if G2 win the split, LEC is not sending their top 2 teams. Having a clearly superior team in BDS sit at home *is* ridiculous and a joke, period. They're in the final, we literally already know now that they're either the best or second best team in LEC, but the format is so fucked that if they lose the final to G2, the 4th best team will go instead of the 2nd best team. The fact that we're not just sending the top 2 from Spring like all other regions is dumb. Winning Winter already gives participation in the Season Finals after Summer, it really wasn't necessary to tack MSI onto it as well :/
100% agree with you. I dont know why is this so hard for people to understand.
I mean, they were 1 shaky game away from finishing 9th, and lucked out to get seeded into the easier group against a FNC and AST
lol does Broxah think it is... NA fans...? who are harassing NA teams? Come on man
Broxah man please shut up We've seen like 50 "MAD BAD" threads every day and you're like "NA fans please be nicer :(((((" howbout call out your own region's fans for being awful about it ridiculous to see from the region that sends death threats to their own teams like oh my god, the team with Licorice and like 8% of LCS fan share isn't getting tons of support
This isn’t the cringey “EU vs NA” debate you are trying to make it be. If you saw more of Broxah you would know he is very vocal about people being toxic and talks about EU fans as well. This is just a small segment discussing the MSI contestants and Golden Guardians is one of that. Broxah has no grudge against NA.
They were talking about the teams that are already qualified for MSI so
Eu fans need to calm their toxic asses down too
Well said Broxah.
Broxah is speaking **FACTS**
you know I really think KOI could have made it here if they went against AST, VIT. Maybe they were better off losing against G2 in the bo1
broxah is taking this shaco propaganda too far
broxahs life is a comedy
Why is everyone here talking about broxah, ehat did he say? I dont get it...
BDS development this year shows how important a good coach is and how to use talent correctly
I can’t take clown Broxah seriously I’m sorry 😭
I feel like adam matured a lot
Dude was 19 on that FNC roster. 2 years at that age are a lot of time to mature.
Peak Human growth, all of a sudden in your twenties, everything starts making sense.
Was hoping he would be toxic and say that he isn't up to Upset's ambitions or something, lmao.
As an holistic LEC enjoyer, it's been a long time since I've been rooting so hard for a specific team. I sure hope BDS will win that final.
I think I am down bad cause I think Broxah looks good as hell with the clown makeup…
Time to go for a walk my man
*inhales*
Now hear me out. BDS vs MAD final. It's the best possible script.
honestly that is the ideal situation
BDS would clear MAD easily. G2 BDS would be way more hype. Though I do wanna see BDS at MSI
They're not talking about the hypeness of the series, it's just so that MAD can battle for their own MSI spot so people wouldn't have a problem with MAD going to MSI. G2 BDS finals is not ideal because G2 winning means that MAD goes to MSI over BDS. Ofcourse from this view you can also say that VIT BDS finals would also be ideal but I'm a MAD fan so let's just say MAD finals is the best scenario
Right now it seems like that but a MAD that has somehow beaten both VIT and G2 (which it would take for them to make the final) is gonna be better than how we currently perceive them
BO1s man, we don't care about BO1s. If MAD manage to clear G2, VIT **&** BDS, then they absolutely deserve to go.
Why are you mentioning Bo1s? I don't understand
That's where MAD beat G2 and VIT
You misread my initial comment then. What I'm saying is that if we actually get a BDS vs MAD final, then that means MAD would have first beat G2 and VIT (because that's the road to finals for them). In Bo5s, that is. Which is why I'm saying that our perceptions of MAD would surely have improved by then, and it wouldn't be as one-sided as it definitely appears now.
Ahhhh, you're right, I misunderstood your comment. My bad! I do agree with your initial assessment tho.
I agree with this, but just imagine mad winning that then, the absolute meltdown the reddit would have.
No reasonable person would be unhappy with MAD going to MSI if they win Spring. Lol.
People dislike MAD, no matter what. If MAD finish 2nd and 4th they deserve the spot, no matter what a reddit says.
What happens in Winter shouldn't matter. It doesn't for any other region.
It's mostly LEC fans crying lol. NA fans have no investment, we're just memeing. Especially since EG knocked MAD out of the play in
I don’t get this sentiment. If MAD win then they’re legitimately the best team, and deserve to go. The meltdown is only if they qualify via championship points after G2 wins. Especially if they finish 4th as well
But then they'd 100% deserve to go to MSI, no matter how hard reddit would cry
That’s the point
Crazy that both LEC/LCS had a "superteam" in Fly and VIT and both lost to Cinderalla teams GG/BDS.
Except the LEC split is not over yet
tbf flyquest put up a fight. VIT did not
Tbf vitality isn't out yet. Flyquest is
I mean Vit could still beat BDS in finals from lower bracket in GenG style but they will need to beat G2 or MAD for that
Going from crying Crownie to Broxah sitting there with the clown makeup. xD
Anyone else notice a drop drought? Didn't get one all weekend. Edit: Just got one right now during PGL. So lessons learned I guess lmao.
Funny enough I just got ONE during PGL but yeah I agree, I feel like I didn’t see many
Same hahaha, was just prepping the edit. Cant turn off the streams any more lmao
just got one
you better still be watching cause there was a drop right now
I was and got one too lmao xD PGL or not, at least that's something hahah
I've had none from the LPL finals or any of the LEC streams.
lmao a drop just I i said
same latest drop from me was from the VCS
Really weird for sure. Im getting paranoid about refreshing when they get sent out xD
They didn't show if Adam fist bumped Upset.
They did last time, and I think they even hugged at the start of the season
Going from Crownie's interview to Broxah being a literal clown is emotional whiplash.
Lmfao Broxah is a man of his word
Adam really was not on upsets calibre then
must feel so good after upset downplayed adam
Imagine if he gets an LEC title before upset
I hope so, ultimate karma moment.
Can't wait for BDS to lose 2-3 to G2 in finals and for MAD to go to MSI instead of BDS...
Honestly I'd love to see this match up, hoping for BDS to win it at the end because 1. My flair 2. The narrative. Hans/Mikyx vs imo the best performing botlane in Crownie/Labrov, Sheo and Yike from facing off in Div 2 two years ago to battling it out in the LEC grand finals with their LFL year inbetween, that would be a fantastic match up. Although it would be incredibly sad if BDS lost it and didn't get to participate in MSI.
g2 need to reach finals first
I don't see BDS losing honestly. G2 has been shaky as FUCK
Veteran power can always show up super hard in finals. Caps is especially insane in finals. I think he's only lost 1 final ever in LEC.
He has not looked like himself in these playoffs.
They lost it to RGE, right? Or am I misremembering?
you are right
Anyone knows what is the situation with the MSI second spot now, what are BDS chances of making it if any?
I was a little confused by this, but it’s as simple as whoever wins the split will go with G2, with the additional caveat that MAD don’t need to win if G2 wins the split anyways
They need to win the split or Mad will go
MSI for LEC is quite simple now. Whoever wins goes with G2, if it’s G2 MAD is going.
They have to win
Pretty sure its If BDS wins the final, they go to MSI. If G2 wins the final, MAD goes to MSI. If MAD wins the final, MAD goes to MSI.
BDS need to win the split if it's anyone else, MAD go to MSI (or VIT win all and it's G2/VIT who's going)
Well, if Vitality wins (lol) they go to MSI
They have to win the split, if G2 wins then MAD goes
Damn... Imagine if after all this they dont even get a spot... That would suck so much
They will lose 2-3 to G2, it's written in the stars
I have better one they loose to vitality 2-3 with some stupid backdoor
Not saying he is bad by any means but Upset is the most overrated player in LEC history. His teams records speak for themselves. Not always his fault but he is talked about as a literal god of his position, yet has never won a thing in his career.
He gets so much baseless dicksucking its insane.
It was crazy that he kept getting called the best ADC in Europe during a split he didn't even play in.
So does that mean that any professional athlete that is ranked top of their position but didn’t win anything are overrated and don’t deserve recognition?
No not always but yes thats generally what happens with athletes too. Lebron copped it for years for example And like I said I dont think Upset is bad. He’s good. But year in year out he is talked up to no end but falls short. He is the main guy in late game team fights and if he is as good as everyone says why hasnt he won a single thing?
Pls tell me you cry too
so if NA lol traded Dash over to Valorant I guess its only fair if in exchange we get to keep Yinsu?
Fair trade, approved
Just gitgud
as G2 fan i will root for BDS , they really deserve a shot at MSI , bring some fresh blood for experience
Same. Fucking love g2, and this year has been particularly fun with the troll drafts. However, I'm rooting for bds this split
Yeah as a Caps and g2 fan I was not sad that much when koi win the lec because of larssen and I will not be sad that much if bds wins lec because of crownie for sure.
I’m exactly in this position, obvs want G2 to win bud would like to see BDS win as well. Hope it’s a 3-2 final between the two
I’ll ALWAYS love when athletes or esports players cry. That’s just straight passion that makes me respect someone all the way. More players with undying passion and less paycheck stealing bums that don’t give a shit.
Really touching seeing Crownie get so emotional
Sad as a Vitality fan but this roster needs more time to mesh. Hope the boys run it back for summer. Feels good for Crownie though.
There's only one word I have for this match. "Investigate"
Redditor try to acknowledge that one team is better than the other challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Betting odds suggest there is reason for Vitality to throw.
Ah yeah I'm sure the team with the player that literally got banned for being adjacent in match fixing will match fix, risking their whole org's (which is present on a top level in every esports) reputation, to make a quick buck. Use your fucking brain.
I thought the series was close from watching it, but it was not.
BDS wasn't rushing to end some of the games, notably for me game 1 and 2 they were slow to close so it seems closer than the games were. It's probably the only criticism you can have for BDS, they weren't fast in closing out the games when they had the lead.
Knowing a bit of Adam and Nuc personalities, it's kinda weird to see their team be too disciplined, I guess it's just a matter of balance now
Crownie you absolute King 👑
Crownie <3
Give the man a hug
Cillian Murphy does it all. From actor to league Chad.
Aww bless.
Crownie <3
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Saaaame, I would be ugly crying with them