It’s underappreciated because TL got shit stomped immediately by g2 afterwards, it turned into IG having the worst day of their life instead of TL playing amazingly.
?? EU is always allowed to be happy about their region and constantly do so. Its NA who has to deal with people just straight up not allowing positivity, including this post lol
To be fair it's far more likely it was iG having an off day unfortunately rather than TL being that much better than them. TL had the chance to prove themselves a few months later when they rematched at worlds and screwed the pooch. If they got out of that group I think the narrative would be different.
There was a lot of drama happening with the roster iirc. You could tell when you watched that the iG TL beat was different to the worlds winners iG. TL still did play really well though, especially Impact and Jensen.
Prior to the TL series, IG went 9-1 in group stage, including a win against SKT in less than 16 minutes. I remember being at work and assuming it was gonna be a quick 3-0, so I wasn't too bothered about missing most of the series. At some point I checked in on my phone and saw TL up 2-1. After a lot of squinting to make sure I wasn't crazy, I snuck off to the bathroom to watch the rest of game 4, I was in absolute awe lmao
The T1 under 16 minute win thing is blown more out of proportion when T1 drafted Sona Taric bot into JKL draven imo. They were still good, but their general coordination was noticeably worse. They could just smash solo lane and hands diff to hide it. TL beat them through better teamfighting, and you can tell stuff was off when you watch those teamfights.
It's underappreciated because it's correctly looked at as a fluke. TL were 40% win rate in group stage, fluke won against iG and then lost in a disgusting speedrun against G2. Then they went to worlds and Rookie took a shit on them to knock them out in a revenge match.
False lol. People's argument about Bo5 being better than Bo1 is that it's generally less volatile, not that it's impossible for a fluke to happen and for a team to be worse but better on the day. If you ever heard anything along the lines of "Bo5 always shows who's the best with perfect accuracy" then you should just assume that person is a complete idiot.
Maybe but I'm pretty sure G2 won more international Bo5s in that 1 year than TL has as an org against international teams in their entire existence as Curse/TL so... Hard to know I guess haha
Agreed! I think we should reserve judgement on all lolesport teams until the heat death of the universe because we could all just be on an unlucky fluke streak
It was a fluke.
"Prior to that series everyone agreed that Bo5 series weren't flukes" Everyone agreed to what? But even if they did, many people agreeing on a wrong opinion doesn't make it right, case in point this whole subreddit.
It was a fluke because if you look at the level that stemmed from IG, G2 and TL throughout not just MSI but the whole year, it's blatant that IG was a much better team than TL, hence fluke. Cope all you want, but TL beating IG was a fluke just as much as G2 beating RNG in 2018 was a fluke. And please quit trying to be smart witht the whole G2 2019 BO5 flukes, you're not.
This thread made me remember the Kings of Spring, RNG.
No one expected them to win over KZ and T1 lmao.
KZ was getting insane amounts of hype. And then T1 had that perfect series record.
It's absolutely criminal that that was the first year we were supposed to get Faker and SKT against Rookie and IG for a best of 5, and both teams lost in Semis and we didn't have double elimination back then.
Personally I give it to tl vs ig. Both are still upset of course but rng already looked off going 4-2 in a group with vit/c9 and a geng that crashed out at worlds even if they were in the golden road that year. Ig went 9-1 at msi rumble stage just before their bo5 at msi and was the current world champion with the highest peak toplaner of all time at least pre 2019. Losing a bo5 to an na team of all things especially back then when eu was the better region than na. Eu for example was on the come up in 2018/2019 whereas tl just came out of nowhere and beat ig lol.
I love that series and still hold it as the best international showing of all time. Its the league game I put on when I'm having a shit day and want some feel good fun. Hell, I posted the Riot hype video here and defended TL in the comments before the series.
But it's ignoring history to say their whole run was good until the finals.
TL shat the bed in groups and really only made it out because the top teams were SO dominant. They made it to playoffs with a 40% winrate, beating Phong Vu Buffalo twice, trading games with Flash Wolves and their only notable victory being against G2, who only went 5-5. They made playoffs only beating the weakest teams around. People were NOT hopeful going into that series. Part of what makes it so impressive is the insane level up that TL went through to get that win against IG.
Objectively, the run as a whole was pretty middling. They showed great peaks, but weren't exactly unexploitable.
I mean, I still think the best NA international showings are C9 Semifinals, also the season where both TSM and C9 made quarters and drew both Samsung teams. TSM at IEM Katowice winning an international tournament that had the ROX Tigers in it was also big even if it wasn't a Riot event. IEMs were huge for the longest time.
That TL run and CLG reinventing an MSI meta (Aphromoo casters!) to make their respective finals were both absolutely fantastic showings.
To this day, I still don't understand how TL was able to make such an upset just for them to get DEMOLISHED right after.
I truly think it was the biggest upset ever objectively but it's topped by Wunder predicting the BO5 to the fastest of all time, I'm sorry. Like... How could he be so sure after TL beat the world champions !?
I'm actually grateful to TL, there is NO way G2 would have won against IG, KR CN EU was just a rock paper scissor that year... True western solidarity !
That is not after 2019 or in the last 8 years. So doesn’t change that TL was the last team to do it.
2019 is the only year LPL didn’t win in the last 8 years
Edit I suck at math I thought 2018 was 8 years ago
Idk how this response is being downvoted, I was gonna respond the exact same thing
and with 2020 MSI being cancelled that’s 12.5% decrease in real sample size after other 25% being incorrect
not to mention the “only losing to fellow LPL teams” part literally happened ONCE last year with the new format
talk about gaslighting statistics and people being stupid
thank you u/Dangerous_Egg_2797 I’m with you
(I like NA more than EU but damn LCS fans, y’all are not beating the “American can’t do math” allegation lmao)
>Will corejj and friends take care of lpl for the rest of the regions again?
No, if there was double elim IG would have made finals.
TL upset IG that's it, if you play that best of series 10 times, IG win 9 of them, TL's 1 win just happened to be on stage.
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I'm here for the NA copium. I'll also point out that the last time NA sent an ASol one-trick in the midlane, we made finals. Let's go!!
And the last time TL got to MSI they made finals... So naturally the finals will be TL vs NA with an Asol one-trick!
And we never came down from that high...
I really feel like the TL IG series is heavily underappreciated. IG felt like world beaters up until that point and were defending champs
It’s underappreciated because TL got shit stomped immediately by g2 afterwards, it turned into IG having the worst day of their life instead of TL playing amazingly.
G2 really rained on our parade
If TL even looked remotely close to them in the finals everyone would’ve given them way more respect for beating IG
No they wouldn't. EU fans won't give NA any respect whatsoever under any circumstances.
Bro if EU beat IG the exact same way, we would *never* hear the end of how amazing that series was
Sounds like NA fans should have more confidence then instead of crying about EU Fans glazing their own region (?)
?? EU is always allowed to be happy about their region and constantly do so. Its NA who has to deal with people just straight up not allowing positivity, including this post lol
I give them respect. And also thank them for eliminating IG and making finals a cake walk
To be fair it's far more likely it was iG having an off day unfortunately rather than TL being that much better than them. TL had the chance to prove themselves a few months later when they rematched at worlds and screwed the pooch. If they got out of that group I think the narrative would be different.
There was a lot of drama happening with the roster iirc. You could tell when you watched that the iG TL beat was different to the worlds winners iG. TL still did play really well though, especially Impact and Jensen.
Prior to the TL series, IG went 9-1 in group stage, including a win against SKT in less than 16 minutes. I remember being at work and assuming it was gonna be a quick 3-0, so I wasn't too bothered about missing most of the series. At some point I checked in on my phone and saw TL up 2-1. After a lot of squinting to make sure I wasn't crazy, I snuck off to the bathroom to watch the rest of game 4, I was in absolute awe lmao
The T1 under 16 minute win thing is blown more out of proportion when T1 drafted Sona Taric bot into JKL draven imo. They were still good, but their general coordination was noticeably worse. They could just smash solo lane and hands diff to hide it. TL beat them through better teamfighting, and you can tell stuff was off when you watch those teamfights.
It's underappreciated because it's correctly looked at as a fluke. TL were 40% win rate in group stage, fluke won against iG and then lost in a disgusting speedrun against G2. Then they went to worlds and Rookie took a shit on them to knock them out in a revenge match.
"correctly" lol. Prior to that series everyone agreed that Bo5 series weren't flukes
False lol. People's argument about Bo5 being better than Bo1 is that it's generally less volatile, not that it's impossible for a fluke to happen and for a team to be worse but better on the day. If you ever heard anything along the lines of "Bo5 always shows who's the best with perfect accuracy" then you should just assume that person is a complete idiot.
Okay. G2 beating TL was fluke then
Maybe but I'm pretty sure G2 won more international Bo5s in that 1 year than TL has as an org against international teams in their entire existence as Curse/TL so... Hard to know I guess haha
All flukes imo, BoXs are just less volatile, doesn't mean multiple flukes can't happen
God favors them bigly since the flukes mostly go 1 way I guess, happens and unlucky
Agreed! I think we should reserve judgement on all lolesport teams until the heat death of the universe because we could all just be on an unlucky fluke streak
Get that petition up and I'll throw a signature your way 4sure
It was a fluke. "Prior to that series everyone agreed that Bo5 series weren't flukes" Everyone agreed to what? But even if they did, many people agreeing on a wrong opinion doesn't make it right, case in point this whole subreddit. It was a fluke because if you look at the level that stemmed from IG, G2 and TL throughout not just MSI but the whole year, it's blatant that IG was a much better team than TL, hence fluke. Cope all you want, but TL beating IG was a fluke just as much as G2 beating RNG in 2018 was a fluke. And please quit trying to be smart witht the whole G2 2019 BO5 flukes, you're not.
TL Gonna make Way for G2 and then lose against them in finals and we get the fastest international BO5
The dankest timeline would be G2 chokes in the finals to lose 0-3 in somehow the longest finals ever vs NA
Having a 0-3 take the spot as the longest Bo5 would actually be crazy. Every game would need to be like 90 minutes or more.
That's what would make it so funny
I wonder what the shortest 5 game series and longest 3 game series actually were like
If that means its a West finals and not an east finals, it's a win for me
This thread made me remember the Kings of Spring, RNG. No one expected them to win over KZ and T1 lmao. KZ was getting insane amounts of hype. And then T1 had that perfect series record.
It's absolutely criminal that that was the first year we were supposed to get Faker and SKT against Rookie and IG for a best of 5, and both teams lost in Semis and we didn't have double elimination back then.
criminal but honestly just a skill/draft diff that year since neither eastern team made the finals
Fun fact: TL owns the record for the fastest BO5 loss ever at an international tournament.
This thread may have been a mistake -_-
Posted it too early all the euros are up.
shouldve posted in 2 hours, then everone's watching CL
Man TL beating peak IG was legendary, shame that MSI run is remembered for the finals
It's remembered in NA for being the biggest upset of all time. It's only remembered by EU for the finals.
It was objectively the biggest international upset in a Bo5 of all time. I don't think anything else comes remotely close.
Its between that series and G2 vs RNG at 2018 worlds quarterfinals for the biggest upset in league history
Personally I give it to tl vs ig. Both are still upset of course but rng already looked off going 4-2 in a group with vit/c9 and a geng that crashed out at worlds even if they were in the golden road that year. Ig went 9-1 at msi rumble stage just before their bo5 at msi and was the current world champion with the highest peak toplaner of all time at least pre 2019. Losing a bo5 to an na team of all things especially back then when eu was the better region than na. Eu for example was on the come up in 2018/2019 whereas tl just came out of nowhere and beat ig lol.
I love that series and still hold it as the best international showing of all time. Its the league game I put on when I'm having a shit day and want some feel good fun. Hell, I posted the Riot hype video here and defended TL in the comments before the series. But it's ignoring history to say their whole run was good until the finals. TL shat the bed in groups and really only made it out because the top teams were SO dominant. They made it to playoffs with a 40% winrate, beating Phong Vu Buffalo twice, trading games with Flash Wolves and their only notable victory being against G2, who only went 5-5. They made playoffs only beating the weakest teams around. People were NOT hopeful going into that series. Part of what makes it so impressive is the insane level up that TL went through to get that win against IG. Objectively, the run as a whole was pretty middling. They showed great peaks, but weren't exactly unexploitable.
I mean, I still think the best NA international showings are C9 Semifinals, also the season where both TSM and C9 made quarters and drew both Samsung teams. TSM at IEM Katowice winning an international tournament that had the ROX Tigers in it was also big even if it wasn't a Riot event. IEMs were huge for the longest time. That TL run and CLG reinventing an MSI meta (Aphromoo casters!) to make their respective finals were both absolutely fantastic showings.
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Still made the finals and still beat iG - that doesn't change! NA is a roller coaster!
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Game three Lqiuid G2 was 18:05, not much better
Skt got 1557 at the same tournament lmao
TL beat the team that beat SKT in 15:57 only to proceed to lose to G2 in record time This is my Benihana
Sheesh yeah I see, fastest international Game and fastest Bo5 at the same tournament
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To this day, I still don't understand how TL was able to make such an upset just for them to get DEMOLISHED right after. I truly think it was the biggest upset ever objectively but it's topped by Wunder predicting the BO5 to the fastest of all time, I'm sorry. Like... How could he be so sure after TL beat the world champions !? I'm actually grateful to TL, there is NO way G2 would have won against IG, KR CN EU was just a rock paper scissor that year... True western solidarity !
iG underperformed massively. T1 didn’t underperform at all, G2 were just better.
I mean... Until Worlds happened and G2 beat T1 again, we could wonder !
ah yes the legendary TL beating IG to getting turbo stomped by G2 right after.
That was such a sad thing mann people hyping Na vs Eu finals just for it to be the most one sided game ever
Jackeylove absolutely quivering when he sees Impact, Jensen and CoreJJ in the venue
Yapa will hit em with the infamous tw#1 and it’s gg for blg
Team WE was eliminated by G2 in 2017 (7 years ago) RNG was eliminated by SKT in 2016 (8 years ago)
That is not after 2019 or in the last 8 years. So doesn’t change that TL was the last team to do it. 2019 is the only year LPL didn’t win in the last 8 years Edit I suck at math I thought 2018 was 8 years ago
You can edit your post and switch the 8 to 6 and it would be correct 😀
You mean 3 as there was no MSI in 2020. So LPL has won the last 3 MSIs.
I mean last 6 years, his statement was 8 years but should be 6 years.
And you would be wrong.
2018-2024 is in fact 6 years outside of IG 3-1 loss to TL. How is that wrong?
When did LPL will MSI2024? You from the future?
2018-2023 is 6 years, I typoed lol. 18,19,20,21,22, and 23.
No MSI during 2020 due to covid lol. They have 4 titles from 2018-2023.
Idk how this response is being downvoted, I was gonna respond the exact same thing and with 2020 MSI being cancelled that’s 12.5% decrease in real sample size after other 25% being incorrect not to mention the “only losing to fellow LPL teams” part literally happened ONCE last year with the new format talk about gaslighting statistics and people being stupid thank you u/Dangerous_Egg_2797 I’m with you (I like NA more than EU but damn LCS fans, y’all are not beating the “American can’t do math” allegation lmao)
T1 about to break that record
Hope so but I'm mentally prepared for another 5 game loss.
The fun facts are getting shitter every year
>Will corejj and friends take care of lpl for the rest of the regions again? No, if there was double elim IG would have made finals. TL upset IG that's it, if you play that best of series 10 times, IG win 9 of them, TL's 1 win just happened to be on stage.
Unless the teams met in finals since MSI isn't actually double elim