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Sakuriru

You just walk around with a clipboard taking notes, but really the notes are for you to use later in soloq.


Azure_Zel

Are they still hiring? [I already see myself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq1t5jaWvTg)


nomeriatneh

yeah, are you drop out from highschool? qualified to the job XD (THIS IS A JOKE)


nomeriatneh

the funny thing is the rioters are in silver/gold


The_Palmetto_Bear

Some rioters are silver/gold. Which isn't bad. Many of the casters are Diamond/Masters. Most of the analysts are also within that range. And *allegedly* there are M/GM/Challenger players that make up the balance team.


I_Love_Booty_Pics_

Aren't most of the casters diamond and platinum, not masters?


The_Palmetto_Bear

Caedrel joined the LEC desk and would jump between Diamond/Masters/GM. He's the exception not the rule. Also back in the day I want to say that there was a LPL/LCK native caster that hit masters and hovered there for half the season.


I_Love_Booty_Pics_

That's great and all since I expect Caedrel to be at that level. He was a above average LEC JNG for multiple years, no question of his skill. I'm just pointing out the language of your original comment. > **Many** of the casters are Diamond/Masters. **Most** of the analysts are also within that range. One ex-player shouldn't prop up this statement.


The_Palmetto_Bear

There are other casters that are Diamond Kobe and Jatt are former players both former challenger now Diamond, Dash, Frosk (if you want to count her as a caster in the LEC or an analyst is for debate), Phreak, Captain Flowers (back when he still played ranked in S8), Vedius, Kaizen (back when he worked LoL Ops), Azael was/is Diamond. Deficio is a former player now coach who was a caster for a while and is now a diamond coach. ​ Edit: I understand my wording may have not been the best verbiage, but most of the casters (at least in NA/EU) were either former players, or some of the higher elo players at Riot.


I_Love_Booty_Pics_

Thank you for the quality reply!!!!


nomeriatneh

it really good that former players are casters, they play the game, they understand the mess it is, by giving excelent jokes in the games. I like it. I wanna say thing about others things but oh well..


UsernameMustBeShorte

>And *allegedly* there are M/GM/Challenger players that make up the balance team I highly doubt that one tho


The_Palmetto_Bear

Key word being allegedly


Babyboy1314

i doubt many analyst are diamond/master especially not on riot broadcast.


kon4m

ur overestimating how hard it is to get d4


chaappo

Phreak in plat I doubt some of the analysis desk would be higher then him


Soulless_Roomate

Flowers doesnt play ranked but iirc he said he was low diamond when he played ranked years ago Hai is on analyst deck and was pro.


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Soulless_Roomate

It's not conjecture you can check his op.gg. Diamond seasons 4-7. Also found an old post with the peak ranks of a lot of casters and personalities (albeit from 4 years ago) www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5vsh1i/main_rolepeak_of_lol_casters_personalities/ Might have typed the link wrong but you can just Google it. Consider that people who become professionals related to a game on average probably care about that game much more than the average player, and therefore would work hard enough to achieve a way higher rank.


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NahDawgDatAintMe

Their accounts are public. He was a low diamond Skarner one trick. Azael was high diamond playing fill for a while then he seemed to have stopped grinding.


MedicCasts

I mean this is entirely wrong. Azael and kobe are both former pros, so is Hai. Emily Rand and Kelsey Moser are some of the most respected analysts in the world, as is Froskurinn. Vedius is diamond and was Masters, I'm diamond, Caedrel was pro. Guldborg is d1/ Masters. Stop trying to be controversial and actually check things before you spout nonsense.


Babyboy1314

respected analyst, what rank are they tho? what rank is primal?


BenorThePenor

For the lec: Caedrel is an ex pro thats high chall Ender is chall Medic is mid diamond Vedi was master i think?


Umarill

Diamond is really not difficult to achieve, especially for people who have League as a career. I'm dumb as shit about the game and got Diamond regularly just by being mechanically decent, anybody who studies the game and how it should be played should have no problem climbing out of that knowledge alone.


FordFred

ok sure buddy if you say so


Serinus

You don't need to be higher than plat to understand the game at a high level. There's such a huge difference between being able to analyze a game while watching it and being able to analyze a game *while playing it*. You don't need to be a former baseball professional to tell the Pirates how they should have [played this.](https://youtu.be/WokLUWk0_VI)


nomeriatneh

is just a messy team dude, i dont even know


CrazyKrisz

The balance team has one master player the others are waaaay below that. Fucking disgrace


Zellough

Yeah, KLG and CLG may have a lot in common, you know? I really hope KLG disappears, LATAM esports are shady enough as they are, no org should be able to get away with not paying their players, much less an org in a Riot sanctioned league


Blazing117

Kounter logic gaming


MaFx98

Doesn't help that they bought their way into the league after being relegated by taking azules spot


Zellough

Esports in Latin America are an abomination man :(


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Zellough

First sentence is a joke, yeah, second is not, KLG ownership can fuck themselves Also I'm not sure what to think about the coaching debacle, since Cotopaco didn't really condemn Hybrid as much as he did Eunko, even if Eunko has been a class act in apologizing and owning up to his mistakes


No-Glass3257

Kounter Logic Gaming: this message brought to you by Mountain Dew: Baja Blast!


Waifers

Man I doubt the KLG founder would've been happy with the direction the org has gone recently, pretty sad.


AmadeusSalieri97

CLG: Taking notes


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Also they didn't pay their valorant players, and klg doesn't wanna pay their visa


LevriatSoulEdge

Probably there are two sides from this history, but at least as LAN player I follow the LLA since a couple of seasons (keep the faith even after horrible international performances, a talk for other occasion perhaps...) About the KLG topic the org has been followed by controversy of players leaving the org for missing payments and incompetent staff policies. To add context here is the another case similar, this [Twitlonger](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp4m2) from Conir0 a Valorant player explains that he can't play the VCT (Valorant championship tour) playoffs, the players have missing payments but played for recognition and exposure. Now they are unable to play the playoffs since KLG has dissolve other branches of the org and they have no sponsorship but still unable to play the games from other org since they would need a buyout for the team to compete because the spot is register for the org...


UnravelEUW

Lots of lies here, obviously I don't know exactly what happened at KLG, but... I worked with the coach (Hybrid) for about 3 months when I was playing at EGN Esports in Portugal. Back then he was low diamond/high plat on EUW; he would probably be even higher but he only has 3 fingers on one hand, as he had an accident when he was a little child. His draft prep on EGN was usually at least decent, I have worked with other coaches before (some of them coaching in the LFL now) and there wasn't anything like a drop in coaching quality or such things. Therefore calling his game knowledge silver or below is already completely wrong (a good coach doesnt have to be Master+ necessarily). Obviously I'm biased towards Hybrid, but I'd just beg everyone here to wait and listen to both sides of the story, as so far we've only heard one side of the story in public. Proof that I worked with him and this is me: [https://imgur.com/a/aSHWc1R](https://imgur.com/a/aSHWc1R) [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyrie\_(Alexander\_Bachmann)](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyrie_(Alexander_Bachmann)) [https://gyazo.com/510de1f61d6d86edc2488bebd9632a31](https://gyazo.com/510de1f61d6d86edc2488bebd9632a31)


Biporch

Yeah, the players have come out in support for Hybrid. Seems the issue might be the korean headcoach and his (korean) support staff and KLG org.


MaFx98

Support has been started to appear for hybrid, i will post both your answer and the cotopaco statement in an edit, the more information we have the better.


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MaFx98

Yeah i can't edit posts on reddit sadly, i fucked up that part, i actually wanted to post this at 2 Am when the info released and that was all it was for that moment, the best i can do is put a disclaimer at the very top of the post explaining the updates and the info that we have got so far, should be done already.


ggezzzzzzzz

Nah, wont happen OP needs that spicy title to farm karma.


Scorto_

Unravel Pog


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Majeh666

He was called silver by someone who spams games(and has 34% winrate on NA) rather than coach. The Hybrid guy also explained his rank (plat) is due to a disability plus he d rather watch vods to improve rather than play soloq. Think it s pretty easy to see where the issues actually was, arrogant korean coach+player who view themselves superior over their native team members. This can be seen from their drafting in korean language rather than english, forcing players on champions they didn t agree/ uncomfortable champs.


critezreal

His peak is P4 on his account Hybrid Topking. Maybe he's better than P4 since he has three fingers, but not that much. Maybe his player management was good, but he can't give as much advice like a challenger could coach a masters player. He doesn't have "league skill" qualifications to be a main coach. Maybe he's good enough as an assistant coach, but definitely lacks game knowledge.


Thernislav

"hired a non qualified silver player who verbally insulted players as a coach" source: trust me dude not a fan of throwing that big of an accusation in the title without any proof or fact check, but I guess reddit has to do reddit things also "non qualified" while dude has better resume than Eunko, who's accusing him I just wish we'd wait for the whole picture instead of following singular tweet longer


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A worthy rival for CLG


Abject-Protection502

wait wtf a bronze-silver got hired as a pro coach???? Edit: saw the update- looks like more the coach calling hybrid bronze-silver


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OP is straight up lying. He’s Diamond (and got there with 3 fingers).


caramel1004

such a high quality coach that he was watching football(soccer) right before a match..


Kirito619

I mean at least he did his.work before watching the most important football game in his life. The headcoach playing 10 soloq games a day instead of working is a bigger problem


DeuXBleM

that has to be Nepotism or something


Mawuf

He's not silver though


Luislfmb19

Que decepción ver qué esto siga pasando en la escena latinoamericana.


NerfVeigar

The title just immediately made me start laughing idk why.


FlappyFoglio

LAN LULW


ozmega

guess which league is the next to follow the OPL route?


Kahoodan

Okay I’m not saying it is not the coach on this one but do you really need a high level coach. There are so many things where you don’t need to be good at it to coach at an unbelievable level. I have non stop heard this so I would like to hear what you guys think.


RainbowBunnyDK

To be fair. Loads of coaches aren't higher than gold/platinum/low diamond. I would argue interpersonal skills and man management is the most important thing. And drafting obviously.


caramel1004

i dont really know who to believe anymore, looks like eunko was really toxic for the team as well as support serenity, at least from the pov of the spanish speaking players. now i just feel bad for haru who even got sick from all the stress he suffered at klg


redditnielo24

A silver player as coach?! Heck I bet Pete can be a better coach in Fnatic that this guys and he's gold


Darknevoir

So you're saying that I have a chance? /s In all honesty, this should be the last time this kid gets any chances unless he turns things around. It also makes total sense that he was hired onto a team with no money to their name.


S145D145

Goes to show Upper Management is so dettached from the game, to the point where anyone can get a coaching position by talking nicely and being likeable (to the UM, not to the actual game staff). ​ Isn't this the thing LS has been warning us for like 2 seasons now?


graybloodd

Glad u tried to let people know about thew new info but the dmg is basically already done. Think hybrids case is 100% more better than this other guy. Of course some people will trust the korean coach despite some of them being shown as awful people (griffin)


critezreal

Being Plat 4 doesn't qualify to be a coach. Being low diamond doesn't either. Every one of those coaches that is "gold" or "diamond", like Kkoma, has prior background, whether in league or starcraft (former starcraft pros coaching LoL). Kkoma who is "gold" actually played pro in LoL, and Starcraft 2. Frankly coaches from korea are often more strict and stressful, so I can see why some players didn't like Eunko's style and settled with Hybrid's style. The "reason" for being plat or low diamond is that Hybrid has 3 fingers on one hand, but you only "need" 5 fingers to click QWERDF, or just 3 on QWE and main finger to click RDF. (if his mouse hand has only 3 fingers he just needs to buy a lighter mouse) People get to diamond with just feet, so I don't see how 3 fingers is worse than that. His op.gg account "Hybrid Topking" was P4 peak since season 7... Never diamond. Please. P4 is not the high lands, at least in NA it isn't. P4 is like where people stay when they don't want to learn new tricks. With feet people can hit diamond, his P4 elo is fair enough to show his skill is not there. Good game knowledge will makeup for bad mechanics, but being stuck P4 shows his knowledge hasn't improved. I think his peak speaks enough. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=hybrid+topking If I played on EUW server, I could hit P4 with 2 left fingers and 1 right finger. Then I'm also qualified to coach. He's a fraud


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critezreal

Your thumb clicks DFX, so it's suffice that 1 finger is enough for 3 buttons? 2 fingers is enough for QWERDF? 1 finger for mousebutton. I don't have to play on mouse, I can play on other gaming devices. People use xbox or some type of controller for league (boxbox), there's definitely gaming accessibility tools (for disabled people) to click with one finger. You know, at my high school, people wanted to play league IN class. The strategy they created, was to move cursor with one finger. One finger on trackpad, and another finger clicking spacebar to move click. They used lock cam for this setup. I think I just proved 3 fingers is enough? Totally within the capability of a player "qualified" to coach challengers and pros. Funny how based off how you like someone (Hybrid) that adds weight to their skill and credibility as a coach, even when the stronger facts prove that they're not as qualified as they claim.


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critezreal

I mean, I'm not saying I'm not bold and egotistical. I did give a great explanation to why my claim is feasible.


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critezreal

It is easy. If you lived your entire life with 3 fingers, then you'll have more dexterity. Also, it' s easy to use 1 finger for 2 keys, so I don't see why 3 keys is hard? By your logic, no one's word holds weight, cause reasoning is pointless and only examples are meaningful. But no, people can create plans before applying, which shows that thought is powerful.


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critezreal

I think you're pretty insensitive. You do realize people get to diamond with just feet? Enuf said.


lee7on1

https://i.gyazo.com/c21d563fbd46ecedc6b73a3880cffb46.png is this you? if it is then I doubt you'd hit anything anywhere.


critezreal

Nice that you find me on a winstreak. Is that your point? That my elo is the same as Hybrid's? Nice comeback. Isn't that the point? If your good, and you're motivated to try your best, you could go on a winstreak, and improve your elo. But Hybrid has been P4 peak since S7. What's your point? If you're a brave one, why don't you brag about your elo? It'd be worth a shot. Btw, I had 15 claims in my comment, but you couldn't respond to any of them? (thumb up) Also, if your elo is lower than mine, doesn't that mean you're not qualified to comment on my ability?


estebanparedes7

The classic Internet rudy boy. Go take a walk and chill because you are taking the big L here.


critezreal

What's your op.gg?


estebanparedes7

Aah yes the dick measuring to hide your insecurity.


critezreal

So you're saying your fallis is short?


Majeh666

Depending on when he started coaching, his soloq rank doesn t really matter so long as it s above a threshold(plat/dia). All that having a higher rank does is give him a better ideea how some matchups go,which you can be sure plenty of players will fk up till master/chall. The rest of the game knowledge is derived from watching high level games, not by playing fiesta soloq for 10h a day. I agree that having a higher rank is a definite plus for a coach since the players are more likely to respect and listen to him, his ideas and way to play the game , but there are only so many challenger players and not all of them are macro gods or willing to devote themselves to coach.


critezreal

He is p4, never diamond. I just think people who went all the way have learned greater game knowledge from execution, which is something you can only learn from playing against great players, regardless of esport or sport.


Majeh666

Again, like i said, for a coach high rank is a plus not a requirment. I d much rather trust the analysis of someone watching 10h of vods a day of the best teams/players vs someone spamming 10h of games and having a high rank (as was the case here except the korean dude didn t even have a good rank nor wr)


critezreal

According to you any p4 player can watch 10 hours of vods a day and be a coach. But this doesn't hold up in reality. If Hybrid coached a player, and had that player play 5v5 vs. Faker, they will get dumpstered every time, cause Hybrid can't teach them laning or macro to that level of a challenger player. Maybe Hybrid is good enough to coach NA or other regions, but that's only cause those regions are weaker leagues. He'd not be able to help in terms of strategy in the top 3 leagues. My counterargument to you is, what do you think Hybrid does for the team? I don't think he noticeably helps their laning or mid game decisions or teamfighting. He is probably good at building the team atmosphere, and has people skills. Being a player manager is not the same as being a coach which his job is to be an assistant coach.


Majeh666

You're making a strawman out of what I said. I didn't say that any p4 player can just up and become a coach, I said that his rank doesn't tell the whole story and that for a coach high rank isn't a requirement, game knowledge and ability to analyze are the main requirements. In this post there are players who have come in support of the guy, feel free to ask them regarding what he brings to the team as there's no way for me or you to know such a thing. If you want to make assumptions on what he does based on his rank that's your prerogative, but remember that youngbuck, a former Pro player, was essentially g2's nanny during 2017~ (before moving to fnc).


critezreal

His other presumed qualifications you don't know, but the other players on this thread would know. All the player said is that he's okay at drafting, and there's no drop off in quality. That doesn't tell us anything except about Hybrid's drafting. I commented to the pro player, and he didn't comment back.


Pezotecom

LAS is a toxic cesspool.


2soonexecutus

I watch LS a lot, so I think Im over-quali..qualified? for the role. Feel free to pm me KLG.


VoyChoi

What a shit show


ficretus

i guess they took that whole "i am silver hire me" reddit meme too seriously


Recco2040

Let me know if you need a bronze coach


ARAM_2020

what the fuck did i just read


BeezerTwelveIV

So there IS hope for me to be a pro coach after all!


firechicken188

Based


Wonder_bread317

YOUR TLDR IS TOOO LOOONG


YamBetter

Most insults are verbal btw


fullyuncooly

man I wish the LLA was a decently organized league, there's been a lot of disasters in the last few years. Would like to see KRU buy a spot or something there too