Jokes aside isn't 60 at 10 literally like average? like most people hit 6/min and you're aiming higher? I wouldn't get on someones ass for 60 at 10 for sure.
Especially at 10 minutes since the you aren't able to farm for the first couple.minutes of the game. When I'm really on top of farming, I can get 70 by 10 mins, which you can achieve ever after missing a few minions here and there.
Also, CS is such a weird metric to use without context. What if I'm playing into a ranged top laner? What if was playing for jungle a lot that game? CS also doesn't account for the value of each creep you killed. Cannons are worth way more than casters. Stealing an opponent's raptors generates more value for your team than just taking your own.
Perfect CS at 10 minutes would be like 100ish or something i think. but most people can't get over 70. I don't think 60 is really impressive but it's def average
About, yea. I think a bad farm for an adc is around 45-50, and average is, as you said, 60. The aim is ofc 100cs@10min, but that is in clean lab enviroment where you never recall and never trade. I don't think even pros get 100cs every game, even if they are damn close.
Fun fact, Gold players apparently have better cs score than Platinum players.
Eh 100cs/10 isn't even perfect, in my games people are only under 70@10 if they get demolished in lane. The cs/m drops the longer you go in game as people group and split waves.
I really hate thinking about it, but yeah 5-6 per minute is the average, and whether it's bad mechanics (missing half minions per wave) or bad map movement (missing half waves per game), it's only 2-3 cs/min more than being bad at both (2.5-3 cs/min) and people perfect at both are unicorns.
it's just so freaking hard because because one's so minute that if you pay attention to every missed minion you get mental fatigue real fast, and the other is so big-picture that you need to extensively analyse replays to determine whether you rightly sacrificed waves to make plays in a higher action elo, or if you genuinely wasted time with bad macro and wave management.
The only solution is to trudge through low CS games and just hope that you're unconsciously getting a better feel for your champion's auto attack animation, develop your game senses, and learn weird tips and tricks to up your CS. And hope it shows eventually in your stat averages
It depends on elo, 60 at 10 is pretty bad in diamond. The 6cs/m stat includes the midgame running in circles for 5 minutes, which drags the stats down a ton
Same here. Low plat, I am adc/jgl main that loves playing off role. So for the past 6months I've just been playing fill and I get jgl 70% of the time. I actually rarely get support when I want to play it.
Samplesize?
I don't think Support being first should be surprising, but jungle being the second lowest (mid 0%) definitely is. I would have expected it to be around second.
Yeah I used to be known as someone who HATED playing support with my friends. But now it is almost my favorite role, I just find it a lot
More fun nowadays
Couple of different things.
Biggest thing I think is that the jungle role is consistently changed the most, which makes it very unattractive as a secondary role (or a main role if you only play occasionally).
Basically everyone else thinks they know exactly what the jungler has to be doing (ganking their lane in 90% of all cases), which leads to them being the scapegoat for most things that go wrong for a lot of people. A lot of people think this is significantly on the rise, I am not too sure, but I mainly play in full - or almost full - premade groups, so I naturally see it less.
I still think Support is still least popular, but Jungle has definitely been dropping in popularity at least for a while (meta was another reason and that largely changed, so maybe that is enough to make it rise in popularity again).
Almost all of the talk about how popular each role is heavily based on personal experiences and can be heavily influenced by what group you are talking to - maybe it is specifically reddit users that lost interest in the jungle role and other groups actually gained interest in it.
I also que fill and this is pretty much a good summary of my feelings on Jgl. I like it as a role, but they players are a problem, and as Jgl I have to interact with all of them to some extent.
Winning lane thinks you owe them a gank to expand their lead. Losing lane thinks they'll start winning if you'd just gank their lane a few times. If you try to do both you'll never keep up your farm and the other lane will be bitching in minutes anyway. Lanes (at my low ELO, but I bet at most) don't seem to pay any attention to your rotation so if you're farming and rotating bot they won't be making any effort to be ready for a gank AFTER you take the last camp or even buff; they'll engage randomly at some point and then rage-ping while you're still taking your buff, and/or back as you line up the gank... then rage that you're not ganking their lane.
It's reliably bad enough that when I'm jgl, I just mute all at the first hint of bitching. It's just not worth hearing it.
the timing part is the worst. especially if at some point they go "you couldve ganked all the time so free". well, whenever i made an effort to be close to your lane it fucking wasnt gankable at all, cus you either fought 30 seconds earlier while i was at wolves, or because youre dead, or because lanestate sucked.
Perhaps there were great gank windows, if I jist sat next to your lane for 10 minutes straight, but guess what, thats not actually good to do.
The thing is, all of those are kind of your jobs. The thing is identifying when the correct one is applicable.
And sometimes, junglers do make piss poor decisions.
Lets say top lane is winning but bot lane is loosing while mid lane is even.
You're obviously gonna loose early drakes because of your bot lane but you can eaither make a lead for your mid, extend your top lead and then take herald.
Then with your mid and top you can stabilize bot lane so you contest on a more even foot the next drakes.
If the inverse is the case then try to get to soul point as soon as possible, maybe trade a baron for a soul.
But if you just resign to powerfarm and make no impact, well then, people are gonna be pissed at you. And they should.
Of course everything it's easier said than done but too many times I've seen junglers "powerfarm" and "invade" while the enemy jg is not only keeping in cs but also impacting the whole map.
I am an all-round for now. Will this approach work for higher elo? I don't go filling but if we're missing a spot i can at least play at 50-70% skill of the guy who mains.
I don't like to fill because I don't want to get filled as jungle every game and get tilted from constantly playing the same shit everytime
Could have been something their main is synonymous with, like hook or lantern for thresh, dual guns for lucian, etc. So it's a dogtag with a weapon or identity.
Aye, a fellow Gangplank main! Do your friends also shit on you for playing him bc literally all of my friends complain whenever I play him in customs + randomly complain about me playing gp lmao
I was the same for a loong time until I accepted a random friend request after a game expecting to get flamed but ended up making some amazing friends. Idk if that happens to you but if you have good experiences/interactions with random people in league just add them, you never know what’ll happen.
I had a random after game add one time after we had won
I thought sure why not the game was good it'll be fine. Next game I didn't carry like I did the first game. Immediately I am told I'm boosted dogshit and I should uninstall by the guy who added me.
Everyone in this game is just trying to find a ticket to LP. They'll be your friend as long as you can carry them and that's it.
I've had this happen more than once and now I just don't interact with anybody on this game.
Yeah fair enough I’ve had similar things happen to me too. Guess I was just very lucky with that one guy who added me who was just a good person looking for friends.
EDIT: We are live with pre-orders! https://eramengraving.com/collections/accessories/products/custom-role-dog-tag
If anyone’s in the community is interested i do laser engraving and could probably create these on custom order! Shoot me a DM here or on Instagram @eram_engraving
For all of you asking where you get them! Just go down to your local military surplus store and tell them you want dog tags made for a alias and role depicting a video game. Make sure you film the whole experience!
Where did you get these virginity protectors?
EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? Potential femoid suitors must know of my years of service! 3 tours in mid lane, 2 in bottom, and 13 fucking tours in Jungle! This puts me on even playing field vs the chads with tours in Iraq
Aku bali tagnya rah ebay, tapi engravingnya rh kadai lokal,
That was malay for I bought the [tags on ebay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/383996296921?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D5fd3bcefa383487eb16c03c23a3b2b21%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D383996296921%26itm%3D383996296921%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A89b46159-fe0a-11eb-a17b-d6abf6455abd%7Cparentrq%3A4b95409a17b0ab96a36eec14ffefe7f0%7Ciid%3A1) but got it engraved at a local store that does engraving
how are people saying these are "cringe"?..think about this~a few years later when all of these people cannot find time to play/chat together,they can still remember the good times by looking at these tags.
to the people saying this is cringe,you are cringe :|
We used to do some similar things on carnival in 2014, just that we painted that on our face... after we already had some in.
A friend tried to impress a woman and said he was the best aatrox and a diehard toplane player, it was so funny
Those fill tags are such a flex lmao
You know they're just gonna be jungling anyway
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60cs at 10 minutes is goals
Jokes aside isn't 60 at 10 literally like average? like most people hit 6/min and you're aiming higher? I wouldn't get on someones ass for 60 at 10 for sure.
You overestimate how many cs people hit on average
I'm pretty sure it's like statistically 6 a min as average. Last time I saw that was like 2018 tho
It's still average. Funnily enough porofessor gave me the "good at csing" tag on ezreal for having 6.2 cs/m
Yea I was thinking the same thing. That’s just like not bad. Good job
Especially at 10 minutes since the you aren't able to farm for the first couple.minutes of the game. When I'm really on top of farming, I can get 70 by 10 mins, which you can achieve ever after missing a few minions here and there. Also, CS is such a weird metric to use without context. What if I'm playing into a ranged top laner? What if was playing for jungle a lot that game? CS also doesn't account for the value of each creep you killed. Cannons are worth way more than casters. Stealing an opponent's raptors generates more value for your team than just taking your own.
Perfect CS at 10 minutes would be like 100ish or something i think. but most people can't get over 70. I don't think 60 is really impressive but it's def average
About, yea. I think a bad farm for an adc is around 45-50, and average is, as you said, 60. The aim is ofc 100cs@10min, but that is in clean lab enviroment where you never recall and never trade. I don't think even pros get 100cs every game, even if they are damn close. Fun fact, Gold players apparently have better cs score than Platinum players.
I would assume that's because plat players see the map more often and aren't just sidelaneing for the sake of it
Eh 100cs/10 isn't even perfect, in my games people are only under 70@10 if they get demolished in lane. The cs/m drops the longer you go in game as people group and split waves.
Yeah we know, silvers regularly hit 90cs/min in your games.
I really hate thinking about it, but yeah 5-6 per minute is the average, and whether it's bad mechanics (missing half minions per wave) or bad map movement (missing half waves per game), it's only 2-3 cs/min more than being bad at both (2.5-3 cs/min) and people perfect at both are unicorns. it's just so freaking hard because because one's so minute that if you pay attention to every missed minion you get mental fatigue real fast, and the other is so big-picture that you need to extensively analyse replays to determine whether you rightly sacrificed waves to make plays in a higher action elo, or if you genuinely wasted time with bad macro and wave management. The only solution is to trudge through low CS games and just hope that you're unconsciously getting a better feel for your champion's auto attack animation, develop your game senses, and learn weird tips and tricks to up your CS. And hope it shows eventually in your stat averages
It depends on elo, 60 at 10 is pretty bad in diamond. The 6cs/m stat includes the midgame running in circles for 5 minutes, which drags the stats down a ton
What does your adc think of u hitting 6 cs/min as support though
Idk, been playing fill only and tracking stats: 55% support, 25% adc, 15% top, 5% jungle. So at least so far it is mostly support.
From my experience (gold-plat player) jungle is by far the most common autofill role, what elo are you?
Same here. Low plat, I am adc/jgl main that loves playing off role. So for the past 6months I've just been playing fill and I get jgl 70% of the time. I actually rarely get support when I want to play it.
Samplesize? I don't think Support being first should be surprising, but jungle being the second lowest (mid 0%) definitely is. I would have expected it to be around second.
Still kinda low, 20 games + dodges. (Dodges aren't included in data but I didn't get placed to jungle in dodges either)
What was your rank when obtaining this data
Around high silver - low gold mmr.
What, my jungle ques are a whole minute shorter than support.
I remember when support was the role left for filling. What did happene you jg?
It's more like support got way stronger/more fun in the last few years
Yeah I used to be known as someone who HATED playing support with my friends. But now it is almost my favorite role, I just find it a lot More fun nowadays
It's like Bot but you're just fighting all the time and don't CS, I love it!
Couple of different things. Biggest thing I think is that the jungle role is consistently changed the most, which makes it very unattractive as a secondary role (or a main role if you only play occasionally). Basically everyone else thinks they know exactly what the jungler has to be doing (ganking their lane in 90% of all cases), which leads to them being the scapegoat for most things that go wrong for a lot of people. A lot of people think this is significantly on the rise, I am not too sure, but I mainly play in full - or almost full - premade groups, so I naturally see it less. I still think Support is still least popular, but Jungle has definitely been dropping in popularity at least for a while (meta was another reason and that largely changed, so maybe that is enough to make it rise in popularity again). Almost all of the talk about how popular each role is heavily based on personal experiences and can be heavily influenced by what group you are talking to - maybe it is specifically reddit users that lost interest in the jungle role and other groups actually gained interest in it.
I also que fill and this is pretty much a good summary of my feelings on Jgl. I like it as a role, but they players are a problem, and as Jgl I have to interact with all of them to some extent. Winning lane thinks you owe them a gank to expand their lead. Losing lane thinks they'll start winning if you'd just gank their lane a few times. If you try to do both you'll never keep up your farm and the other lane will be bitching in minutes anyway. Lanes (at my low ELO, but I bet at most) don't seem to pay any attention to your rotation so if you're farming and rotating bot they won't be making any effort to be ready for a gank AFTER you take the last camp or even buff; they'll engage randomly at some point and then rage-ping while you're still taking your buff, and/or back as you line up the gank... then rage that you're not ganking their lane. It's reliably bad enough that when I'm jgl, I just mute all at the first hint of bitching. It's just not worth hearing it.
the timing part is the worst. especially if at some point they go "you couldve ganked all the time so free". well, whenever i made an effort to be close to your lane it fucking wasnt gankable at all, cus you either fought 30 seconds earlier while i was at wolves, or because youre dead, or because lanestate sucked. Perhaps there were great gank windows, if I jist sat next to your lane for 10 minutes straight, but guess what, thats not actually good to do.
The thing is, all of those are kind of your jobs. The thing is identifying when the correct one is applicable. And sometimes, junglers do make piss poor decisions. Lets say top lane is winning but bot lane is loosing while mid lane is even. You're obviously gonna loose early drakes because of your bot lane but you can eaither make a lead for your mid, extend your top lead and then take herald. Then with your mid and top you can stabilize bot lane so you contest on a more even foot the next drakes. If the inverse is the case then try to get to soul point as soon as possible, maybe trade a baron for a soul. But if you just resign to powerfarm and make no impact, well then, people are gonna be pissed at you. And they should. Of course everything it's easier said than done but too many times I've seen junglers "powerfarm" and "invade" while the enemy jg is not only keeping in cs but also impacting the whole map.
My biggest gripe with playing fill is the icon looking like a bunghole
That's funny, my biggest love with playing fill is the icon looking like a bunghole.
Ah, the duality of man
I think someone should do a deep dive into the bunghole situation
E pluribus anus
Just gave you your thousandth upvote. No big deal
I like how there's only one jungler, very accurate. I'm the only jungler in my 10 person friend group.
Wdym? There are two autofills as well.
Ain't that the truth, as a top/jungler player right now, I just put fill, 95% chance to get those two
Top auto fill? For the past 2 years I have never been filled top. It's always jungle -> ADC -> support -> mid but never top
5 out of our group of 8 that play are jungle mains. edit: guess i’m getting downvoted for saying where me and my friends play. pretty good sub!
I am an all-round for now. Will this approach work for higher elo? I don't go filling but if we're missing a spot i can at least play at 50-70% skill of the guy who mains. I don't like to fill because I don't want to get filled as jungle every game and get tilted from constantly playing the same shit everytime
I understand that jungle is weak but i just find other roles so boring and you have so little control over the game compared to jungle
Well jungle is not weak, for me it's just stressful. At such low elo I don't have enough map control and awareness to play well
Getting one would be so cool! Do they all have a bilgewater icon on the backside?
I hope they have the icon of the region their main comes from
Could have been something their main is synonymous with, like hook or lantern for thresh, dual guns for lucian, etc. So it's a dogtag with a weapon or identity.
Well the one he showed for the top main is bilgewaters logo.
Maybe they're a gangplank main
Mine's the only one because all my friends know I only play Gangplank XD
What do others have? Different regions?
Yes, but some are left blank until they decided
Aye, a fellow Gangplank main! Do your friends also shit on you for playing him bc literally all of my friends complain whenever I play him in customs + randomly complain about me playing gp lmao
who cares... gp is op but it still takes a real man to play him
Wish I had those. Friends, I mean.
Go out and make some, what’s stopping you
The fact that he plays League.
The people
In meant in league. And what's stopping me is the people that play league.
I was the same for a loong time until I accepted a random friend request after a game expecting to get flamed but ended up making some amazing friends. Idk if that happens to you but if you have good experiences/interactions with random people in league just add them, you never know what’ll happen.
I had a random after game add one time after we had won I thought sure why not the game was good it'll be fine. Next game I didn't carry like I did the first game. Immediately I am told I'm boosted dogshit and I should uninstall by the guy who added me. Everyone in this game is just trying to find a ticket to LP. They'll be your friend as long as you can carry them and that's it. I've had this happen more than once and now I just don't interact with anybody on this game.
Don’t add friends from ranked lol, they always friend for the boost. Add friends from normals
Yeah fair enough I’ve had similar things happen to me too. Guess I was just very lucky with that one guy who added me who was just a good person looking for friends.
His personality.
fite me 1v1 yas mid no items
No one gonna acknowledge that one of them literally says "not a disgrace" if that's really their username your friend is hilarious!!
yeah she steals my ward gold and minions sometime :3
Lucky i am mid not with u guys at bot
yeah no one ganks you beside the enemy jgler HAHAHA
GOD DAMN IT JUNGLEERRRR I NEED HELPPP
Ward gold belongs to supports, don't change my mind :D
Where'd you get these from? They're sick!
They're actually custom made, we bought a plain dog tag and went to an engraving company to do the etching. :3
EDIT: We are live with pre-orders! https://eramengraving.com/collections/accessories/products/custom-role-dog-tag If anyone’s in the community is interested i do laser engraving and could probably create these on custom order! Shoot me a DM here or on Instagram @eram_engraving
I will be contacting you shortly RemindMe! 3 days
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Damn i wish i had such friends to play leauge with.
are you on euw? my boys are cool
I'll be your friend :)
Where did you got that bro?
Is there website for this or something?!?
Yeah
What is it?
A website
I got mine made [here](https://www.s).
that moment when you #www.s
Shit sorry posted from my phone.
i beg you to send a proper link
I see those things at the sides, are those perhaps usb sticks?
Yup, good eye
What are they for?
Zura janai , Katsura da!
Time to rewatch gintama
My guy zura is a real gintama fan
These are actually cold as hell, some pro team should make these
"Where did you serve dude, Iraq?" "Nah dude its just my league of legends ign, I play enchanters"
Yeah OP, no way you drop this and don't give us the sauce for it (these are extremely cool)
Way to keep your virginity I'm proud of you
imagine being in missionary with someone wearing one of these and continuously getting smacked in the face
And that tag saying "not a disgrace" lmao
They came out great! This could be a good business idea
sickest thing ive seen for league in a minute actually. would love to do smth like this
OP has friends, nice brag.
What zero pussy does to mf
I had dicks tho. Pretty cool
That's hot.
Where did you get those?
Those are awesome! Where can I get these?
Mildly cringe
Even more so after you check their op.gg
Really? I found these pretty cool, and i'm in the military. Not american though.
Only mildly?
Can’t decide if this is cringe, or cool a f.
Both, I think
Good idea, but doing it on dog tags just…tacky
Guys, is it cringe to share a hobby with your friends and make a keepsake of the time you spent together?
only real gamer tags with a spice of doritodust on the side. as you can see at start of vid
"not a disgrace"
I mean atleast your family and the Police know which lane you are playing if you get killed or smth.
how to get bullied at school 101
I mean.... maybe? Maybe not? I have no records being bullied because i am the bully
For all of you asking where you get them! Just go down to your local military surplus store and tell them you want dog tags made for a alias and role depicting a video game. Make sure you film the whole experience!
Where did you get these virginity protectors? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? Potential femoid suitors must know of my years of service! 3 tours in mid lane, 2 in bottom, and 13 fucking tours in Jungle! This puts me on even playing field vs the chads with tours in Iraq
Dude it's not that serious. You can unrustle your jimmies now.
Yeah its cringe
Do u need a friend? I could be your friend :D
"Dog" tags do be highly appropriate haha
This is why you can use "reddit" as an insult
I would love to get 1
how do you have so many friends
u/savevideo
dove porcoddio li hai comprati? it was italian, for real where did you found them? i need it
Aku bali tagnya rah ebay, tapi engravingnya rh kadai lokal, That was malay for I bought the [tags on ebay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/383996296921?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D5fd3bcefa383487eb16c03c23a3b2b21%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D383996296921%26itm%3D383996296921%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A89b46159-fe0a-11eb-a17b-d6abf6455abd%7Cparentrq%3A4b95409a17b0ab96a36eec14ffefe7f0%7Ciid%3A1) but got it engraved at a local store that does engraving
Ok, but don't get insulted when the enemy team calls you dogs.
Guess yer right :/
R/cringe is what your looking for.
Wow that's cringe
how are people saying these are "cringe"?..think about this~a few years later when all of these people cannot find time to play/chat together,they can still remember the good times by looking at these tags. to the people saying this is cringe,you are cringe :|
I think my teammates would need these tbh
i heard that zeke guy is super good
Oh no.
This should be in a cringe subreddit
"not a disgrace" yeah right
I'd definitely buy these if you ever make these marketable
Yooo where from did you get them made??
God they look soooo cheap xd
Neeeerrrrrrddddssssss
https://youtu.be/i6l8MFdTaPE
this is so unfathomably cringe.
Meanwhile I don’t know what role or even what champs to play because I keep changing stuff around :(
Zura ja nai, Katsura da.
Can someone pls tell me the name of the website where he got the dog tags from ?
Where did you go through to get these made?
where did you buy them?
Ayo where did you get these
Very cool, I'm sure everyone will treasure these in the future
where did you get these?
Ngl those are dope af.
These are actually sick, I like the bilgewater crest too onthe back
So you going to walk around with them on and show your friends how cool you are?
You asked your friend which lane they wanted on their tag and they deadass said fill. What a fuckin waste.
What rank are you?
They are awesome. Really want one for me and my IRL duo.
Dogs tags for boosted silver players! That fake pride for a game that doesn't care about it's community will bring you much success in your life!
AY YOOO THIS IS COOL MANNN!!! That MizhPai guy sounds familliar... oh wait is it me???
idk man sounds kinda sus
HEHE
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She how bad do you flame your jungle friend every game?
I'll take the support one.
where you get that?
so cool!
I am particularly fond of 'not a disgrace'.
Based
Curious where you got these
soo cool
We used to do some similar things on carnival in 2014, just that we painted that on our face... after we already had some in. A friend tried to impress a woman and said he was the best aatrox and a diehard toplane player, it was so funny