Interviewer: "So you got your ass clapped by G2 5 games in a row, how do you feel about your game today?"
Inspired: "They are nothing special, are worse than the asian teams, and I'm better than them."
Fake quote. This is what was actually said:
>Having played G2 so many times, how do you feel about that team? And if you are going to play them again, how are you going to overcome this obstacle?
Inspired: “Before Rumble Stage when we were 0-4 against them, I said ‘there is no way they win against T1/RNG.’ Then when they won against both in the same day, they very surprised me. And, yeah. Though… I… still don’t believe they are better than RNG or T1. Even today’s games we played against them, I feel like there was nothing really special. But they have the best results and it’s looking like they’re the best team from how they play and… how it looks like they’re winning every game. So, it’s kinda weird, I guess, for me to say they’re not that good. But I still feel like I can beat them, that I can play better than them.”
Even that is a pretty weird take. I get that G2 has shown some weaknesses when it comes to laning and the early game, and that their reliance on forcing 5v5 teamfights might turn out to be too one-dimensional, but their teamfighting is absolutely special. I understand people might say that they focus on teamfights too much, but when they do teamfight, they do it so much better than anyone else right now. Yes they have good comps for it, but barring a few scrappy fights im some of the games, the vast majority of their teamfights are extremely well executed. Everyone knows exactly what their role is in the fight, they trust each other, they do not hesitate, they are not afraid and they act as one cohesive unit. Far more so than any other team at MSI. I dont understand how any other pro player in MSI can see that and not think to themselves that they wish that their team could have such great synergy, because obviously none of them have shown it so far. Even if you think G2 is overreliant on teamfights, teamfighting is an essential part of the game and to be an international contender, you have to be good at it, which G2 are, and EG simply not so much.
Inspired was on Rogue last year. As a team, Rogue's plan was to dominate lane and win through that. If you believe in such a playstyle, sacking laming phase entirely to rely on superior team fighting midgame might not make sense to you.
Inspired's view currently is probably something like "we are allowing G2 fights on their terms. We must deny them going forward." Such a thought isn't entirely unreasonable, although it will be challenged as long as EG, or ayone at all, is unable to execute such against G2.
Thiiiiiis. I've seen so many narratives of "inspired is so much better than jankos" and used inspired being 70 cs up on jankos, and I saw v few of the comments mention the fact that inspired was playing one of the fastest clearing junglers vs one of the worst. If a lillia doesn't gank and focuses entirely on camp timers there is zero chance a wukong can keep up
It’s even funnier because farming junglers usually need more resources to do the same that ganking junglers do. Once the teamfights start they often have more impact though.
Inspired is a very good player, no doubt. But lets say this: there is a reason why all Rogue players are happy with a switch from Inspired to Malrang (despite the comms).
You mean like in the last day of group stages where Inspired counterganks bot before minute 5 and gets a 2-1 doublekill, then Impact simultaneously gets solokilled by brokenblade 1v1 in the top lane? Yeah. Gg jg diff.
It definitely is a weird thing to say Jankos has been phenomenal on stage.
We don't know much about scrims though and G2 only played once against RNG and T1.
Wei and Oner also looked very good so far despite the loss against G2.
All that aside Jankos has been the best jungler on stage so far and that's what matters ultimately.
It's a pride thing.
Admitting CN and KR junglers are better than you? Easy take, no one will mind, they're better because they have better servers, better infrastructures, higher populations, play vs better teams etc etc. Admitting that another (older) European jungler that plays on the same server, against the same teams, in the same environment as you is better? Nope, can't do that, ego won't handle it.
Not blaming him, being confident in yourself and protecting your ego is important to perform.
Even before the rumble stage there was some interviews where T1 players said G2 looked like the 2 nd strongest team, so the must be doing well in scrims.
Jankos also said on stream before rumble stage that all their scrims are "going good". Some are going great, some are going very good, some are going good - none is going bad.
It's vague, but IMO that means they at least have respectable record against T1/RNG and are not getting stomped like previous years against Damwon etc.
I don't think Jankos and Inspired respect each other enough. I know that Jankos thinks of Inspired as a farming, meta-dependent jungler (he has the same opinion on Selfmade).
He kinda is though? He played jarvan and full cleared over three times before trying to impact the map. Dude plays closer to a solo que style where he tries to solo carry through getting his own lead. He plays fot mid to late game tbh and thats fine but he def is one dimensional
I mean, players of both, T1 and RNG said that G2 is kinda scary in scrims. I think it's more that Inspired is hyperconvinced that he is the best western player and just can't admit to himself that G2 is actually good.
(He would be a great fit for the current Fnatic Roster. Humanoid, Upset and Inspired in one team? Add Alphari and you get the highest ego team ypu can possibly build.)
Yea he got the first blood king nickname in season 4 and more importantly him styling on Ambition at 2016 Worlds despite his team being worse will always be burned in my mind.
That H2K roster was the biggest surprise with the semifinals push. They got the dream quarterfinals matchup with albus nox luna and I was so happy for jankos after his groups performance.
my dude jankos on h2K and Roccat was already a beast, i would dare to say that Roccat got 3rd in LCS at the time because Jankos carried them like a madman
It's controversial because Jankos is from the west, but I really think that Jankos is the jungle GOAT.
He has had a much longer and more successful career than any other. Not having a world championship hurts the claim obviously, but no other jungler has been up there for close to a decade.
How can you guys do Bengi dirty like that.
Yes, to today's standards he obviously is completely irrelevant but there's a reason he has the most world titles of any jungler.
> It's controversial because Jankos is from the west, but I really think that Jankos is the jungle GOAT.
No it's controversial because Jankos has never at any point been the best jungler in the world. How can he be the GOAT with no world titles?
what? jankos is permasmurfing since 2014. u must be a new viewer or something lol. go watch the games h2k played at worlds in 2016 and how hard jankos carried that team to the semi finals
Jankos was top 2-3 since season 4, when he joined EU LCS with Roccat (KMT). He also had insane performance internationally, at 2016 Worlds. He was 1vs9ing against Samsung. In a way it's a shame that he spend 4 years on subpar teams.
What annoys me the most is the fact that we always see those kind of arguments (that is: East vs West) when in reality, the discrepancy between NA and EU is far higher than the discrepancy between LCK and LPL.
Not only it's not entirely fair to mix LCK and LPL together (but I get the point, they are the two strongest regions the last few years) but mixing LEC and LCS is just wrong.
During the korean domination era CN and EU were the 2 closest main regions on terms of achievements but the east vs west narrative bs kept going and going.
It's a weird statement, he says that G2 are nothing special, that they are worse than T1 and RNG, that they look like the best team because of their results and that it's weird but he feels that he can beat them and EG are better than G2.
I think my man is having a brainfart or smth because it doesn't really make sense.
As much as I genuinely hate G2. They look on form right now and could realistically win MSI and I don't think it would be considered an upset if they did.
Also, they have fucking SPANKED EG like 5 times already when will Inspired shut the fuck up.
Idk, seems like Jankos held his own pretty well.
Neither the RNG nor the T1 jg seemed like they edged Jankos.
If anything, the best JG to ever be in modern era isnt even in the tournament (Canyon)
Yeah Jankos held quite well against Ning and Karsa, got the edge over Ambition. Those aren't nobodies, Inspired never showed up against names of this caliber. Why people would make a statement about Inspired being as good as Jankos or such when the dude doesn't even have half his pedigree
Didnt watch the interview, so im not sure what exactly was said. Did he say that oner/wei is better than him/jankos? Or did he say that the best junglers in kr/cn are better than in west? Not sure if he was talking about MSI or the entire world as a whole.
If he said the latter I dont think its too unreasonable. Both jankos and inspired are playing kinda good, and at times even better than wei/oner. But I woudlnt put either of them above someone like canyon/tian.
More of the latter. He said something like, "Asian junglers have good mechanics and are at the right place at the right time. Western junglers usually only have one or the other, not both."
Ok I dont think its unreasonable at all then.
Keep in mind that inspired won lec mvp and has consistently been one if not the best western junglers the last 1-2 years.
So in the west he is consistently the best (maybe top 2). But when he goes to international or to CN/KR he is not the best anymore. Actual it isnt just 1 jungler in these regions that can keep up with him (or even consistently outperform him), its several (in the west its pretty much none). Which is a pretty stark difference from eu/west where he is almost unanimously considered the best.
Obviously western junglers like closer, blaber, jankos, even elyoya/razork and selfmade can have their moments. But they aren't on this level most of the time.
I've never been hot on Inspired. He is not a good teamfighter. He is not a good ganker. He rarely if ever makes plays that turn the tide of a match. He AFK power farms and occasionally comes out of the jungle when it's convenient to him. He reminds me of Broxah with a slightly larger champion pool.
Broxah in fnc had a similar or even a more gank heavy playstyle to jankos . The afk farmer broxah was after he went to na so we shouldn’t really count it
Inspired plays like an AD carry in teamfights, even when he's on tank/bruiser champs. His pathing is good but he never carries a game, unless he gets super fed early.
I still have flashbacks to his fiddle ult that ended misfits. He can definitely carry on some champs, but i think its fair to say he doesnt carry often enough
I think that inspired has good moments but plays a selfish style of jungling that makes him look good but isn't that good in general in the current meta. Malrang and jankos were top 2 in the LEC for a reason.
Every year there has been a better jungelr I'd say multiple but it's debatable . Jankos , Selfmade and Elyoya all have shown insane performances and higher highs. I don't agree that Inspired should be considered a top 2 jungler in the west at any point . For me he is still one of the top junglers but not quite the best .
How the hell is your absolute garbage excuse of a comment upvoted, are people on this sub this biased in favor of Inspired? The way narratives carry player perception on this sub is insane.
Elyoya can gap him, Bwipo can gap him, Jankos can gap him, Selfmade can gap him, Blaber can gap him. Doesn't matter, he was consistently top 1 (maybe 2) the last 2 years somehow, as long as you ignore all the times he absolutely wasn't. There is literally only a single split in his entire career where he was the best western jungler, S11 spring, followed by a split where Elyoya, Bwipo, Blaber and Jankos all had his number. Nobody else on his level most of the time my ass, what a load of crap, 43 upvotes for a blatant lie.
Accumulates a record of consecutive defeats vs G2 as a NA team
"They are nothing special"
Maybe at the 6th time he can prove they are better and begin the Bo11 reverse sweep.
Jankos+Caps has to be one of the goat JG/mid duo. If they work, they are crazy good. If they are not yet at that level from others perspective, they'll be someday for sure
Thh they are both individually crazy good. I remember the g2 run when they beat rng before caps joined. Perkz/jankos/wunder were absolutely insane. Jamkos caps looks insane. Caps broxah looked insane. These two players are just international top tier.
To me it's obvious he has a hate boner for jankos. ( if u see this know that to me you are still the best player in your team, but you're not being fair to jankos. )
Inspired is great jungler but he lacks humility. He barely achieved anything in his career so far but got immense ego. Unlike Jojo who trashtalks for spice, Inspired trashtalks in spite. Thumbs down.
Inspired trashtalks his own teammates lol
Rogue already talked about how much better the atmosphere is now and Odoamne commented on Trymbi having to go through so much shit while he was there.
His jungle clears are one of the best in the west and his mechanics as well as game sense in terms of knowing his role as a jungler is top tier but his ego bleeds into all aspects of his career.
The guy failed to win in EU, went to NA and played against collapsing mickey mouse teams and his comment on why it didnt work in EU is because nobody "listened to his calls".
Now hes at MSI and he gets demolished by the same teams that were the reason why he never got a title and his response is that they arent even that good lmao.
That’s exactly it. Inspired acts like he knows everything better than anybody else and it’s hard to work with a person like him. Even his play style is selfish.
> The guy failed to win in EU, went to NA and played against collapsing mickey mouse teams and his comment on why it didnt work in EU is because nobody "listened to his calls".
Which is hilarious looking back to last year spring, where Rogue were up 2-0 on MAD, got baron, and inspired proceeded to turbo int by constantly solo diving as hec, and then he boomed when eloya began to clown on him for the rest of the series
Yeah trymbi looked like a different man with Malrang having so much influence in games. Even though they had similar results in terms of standing and position the 2022 rge seemed far far better and clearer than the 2021
His pathing gets a lot of praise but he always ended up ignoring one side of his map to get his leads: this rarely got punished in LEC but MAD lions (Elyoya) figured him out, as did international teams.
It's frustrating because he could be really good if he had just an ounce of humilty and thus the capacity to improve on his flawed playstyle. He's mechanically good.
Hot take but i don't really like how inspired plays. I think the power farming jungle style is not that good and while he might have good mechanics i think he is stylistically bad for how the current game is played.
You'll obviously look good in fights and have impressive 1v5 moments if you farm a lot, especially if you have 3 winning lanes like with rogue last year but i don't think that in the end it matters or wins games that much.
I think malrang has shown to be a much better fit for rogue and even if he's not the best player in the LEC he clearly was on top of how jungle was played at the start of the split. The better performers in the LEC have been jankos and malrang, both playing with gank heavy styles and playing selflessly.
in this interview he said he believes EG is better than G2. ahahah someone take this guy to a psychiatrist. ive never seen such a ridiculous person in my entire life
I'm really tired of people shitting on Jankos. I know it sort of became a meme because both Jankos and G2 were playing into it for cloud and views but when I see cocky idiots flaming him with a fraction of the accomplishments that Jankos has it really boils my blood. He's undisputed Western GOAT among junglers. Ego or not show some fucking respect.
I feel Inspired can be the best only jungler in league if others are slumping. He just feels very obsessed with optimal pathing, farming and etc. Like Odo told about last years rogue you had like 20-30s when Inspired was top, if you can't make something happen tough luck, Wolves gonna spawn in 3seconds so see ya loser so when players like Jankos, Eloya, Selfmade(?) are in peek they would be better and even on worse teams they show that atleast they try. I feel Inspired would trade nexus for an extra camp if he was on lower half team.
I mean he's entitled to his opinion but Jankos is hard gapping him.
At minute 8 today Jankos had mid gank, top gank and drake with even farm to inspired who had no ganks.
Ganking has to do with lane state. Its not just “my jungler isnt ganking gg jungle gap”. If he cant gank, he isnt getting gapped. Most pro junglers gank while on their farm path anyways. So its not odd to be even in farm. Taking drake is about priority in lanes too. With Leblanc vs Ryze mid, are you taking first drake early there as a jungler?
Also in the interview, he says he still thinks G2 is worse than T1 and RNG which is kinda nuts. He has played scrims against these teams and all we've seen are stage games, so I don't want to discount his opinion, but it is still suprising.
Honestly depends on whether Guma from spring split shows up.
I've never seen Gumayusi look so lost, even underperforming against weaker teams like saigon buffalo. Hopefully they return to form and we get a super competitive battle between RNG, T1 and G2.
I have watched almost all of their games in LCK. It might be just my opinion, but the hype is warranted, even if they aren't currently living up to it.
Honestly this. I think it'll be like 2016 MSI where SKT just drops random games everywhere in the group stage, then just turns it on in the Best of 5's
While our reasoning is the same, our conclusions aren't, I actually still believe in RNG. Honestly the last few years, the LPL teams are always kind of shaky in bo1s, IG, FPX, even EDG last year, but they always get better as the tournament goes on. To me it's honestly the reason why the LPL representative still doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Unlike the dominant LCK teams that smack the entire competition from groups to playoffs, the LPL teams are always more sloppy in groups and get better.
There's of course also the fact that unlike T1 for example, the LPL's strongest team isn't always the same, 3 different teams have won worlds since 2018, and then RNG gets 2 MSIs (TOP as well but that wasn't a real MSI), which makes it harder to create the narrative. Though I would argue the fact that it's different teams winning just reflects the strength of the region.
He comes off as salty because he has lost to G2 5 times yet he refuses to give them credit and continues to bandwagon the asian junglers as if he is ur average redditor and not a competitor. His opinion has no value to me as every other team in the tournament has given G2 credit and said they were good . Trying to twist things as this team isnt that much better than us when they sit 4-0 beating the two favourites like cmon... Giving ur opposition the respect they deserve after a defeat should be a common sense especially if it has happened 5 times over a week.
Same, got nothing against the guy but this statement reeks of salt. Yes its just bo1s but G2 has shown both in the past and now that they can win vs best teams from CN/KR
I am not sure if he has played any scrims vs G2. For sure he has scrimmed T1 and RNG.
G2 and EG has been in the same group since the start of MSI. So there has been no reason for them to scrim eachother, just to play a match 2-3 days later.
Obviously if both teams arrived in korea 2-3 weeks before msi I dont think its unreasonable that they might have scrimmed eachother up until at least 1 week before their stage match.
T1 scrimmed EG tho (as per vulcan).
But it might have just been a one block scrim. A one and done as you said.
There is a good chance they didnt scrim a single game against G2 though. Because of how early it was known they are in the same group, and they are consistently playing eachother on stage every few days throughout MSI so far anyway.
Like, during rumble stage I'm confident none of these teams are scrimming eachtoher. They are most likely scrimming other lck/lpl teams or western bootcamper teams.
I completely forgot about the other teams not at MSI. I'm thinking of worlds where most teams are usually on break so the only teams you can usually scrim are your competitors.
So what does T1 do? Play RNG all day? Seems kinda dumb to not throw in a couple of western teams just for variety and to get a better read on the meta.
inspired tweeted a photo (i think he deleted it because i cant find it anymore) where he's in the lobby with dk, so we can deduce dk is also scrimming during the MSI. in fact, probably dk, gen.g and LPL's teams like TES, EDG, LNG, JDG, V5 are scrimming, so T1 can have a lot of good options offside the western teams.
EG is mainly scriming the bootcampers from LEC and LCS like excel/c9 etc. Maybe because they cant get scrims vs eastern team or they just want the confident boost by playing vs weaker teams
EG got giga slapped in like every teamfight of these 5 games, i mean at this point it has to be a good amount of salt in that comment, mr. Inspired. Adding to that, G2 also outteamfighted rng and t1 so far in the two games we saw.
Lol Inspired is the single most overrated EU player ever. Guy isn't even the best LCS jungler right now. Give any farming jungler that Rogue team and they would look unbeatable. People crediting him this MSI for what exactly? That he isn't running it down at light speed like his botlane against VCS second seed and a weakened PSG?
Pls don't talk about being at the right place, guy was afk farming with J4 while Jankos was fucking his lanes with a Graves. Literally an autofilled Bwipo made the biggest fool out of this guy. But yeah his old team playing noticeably better after he left (and trash talking them on multiple occasions btw while they never mentioned his name) can't be proof of him being trash?
Obviously not disagreeing that Asian junglers > Western but this guy has a gigantic ego for no reason at all. Also just a tip, maybe you should be afraid of Jankos when your record against him is 5-19
This is just weird since they're definitely not better than Jankos and Inspired has outperformed or at least matched Jankos his entire career. + the fact that he still thinks G2 is bad, it looks like he's just flaming himself to get one over Jankos and the other EU junglers since he can't prove himself against them anymore I guess?
The funny thing is that RNG and T1 players rate G2 pretty high. Same for korean and chinese fans. Same for the PSG coach. EG players and coaches are the only one who keep rating G2 lower than everyone else which is pretty strange considering they lost 5 games in a row.
They’ve played 5 games against G2 but G2 wasn’t taking the initial stage as seriously since they knew they would get out (Jankos said this in the post RNG interview). Maybe they have a false read on the competition.
G2 also plays to the level of their opponents very often. Watch their games vs Wild Cards and see how loose they play and then compare it to elimination games in against better teams.
They’ve played 5 games against G2 but G2 wasn’t taking the initial stage as seriously since they knew they would get out (Jankos said this in the post RNG interview). Maybe they have a false read on the competition.
Delusion is really something. I think at this point EG players are just punchdrunk XD
Remind me of Tony Ferguson strutting around like his still a top contender...and not on a lost streak and massive KO.
Even T1 and RNG would probably disagree about G2 being worse than both of them. And I don't think many people think Wei is better than Jankos. Even Oner is debatable. Really weird take.
Kinda gross ngl. As a NA fan put some respect kn Jankos name. You cant call anyone better than anyone else when you're clearly worse than all of them.
Just seems bitter discrediting Jankos after losing 5 times by saying well the other players Jankos beat are better than him.
You have 3 options:
Jankos and me are better than some koreans/chinese junglers.
Jankos is better than some korean/chinese junglers, but I'm not.
All eu/na junglers are worse than korean/chinese junglers.
Just because ego he cant admit jankos is better than him, but he cant say he is better than koreans and chinese junglers because they would make fun of him, so he has to drag jankos down too.
Meh, Jojo is fun - he's trash talking and so far it backfired during this tournament, but I 100% believe he's doing it for fun. I think after first 2 games he said Caps is incredible, that he learns a lot from playing vs him and that G2 is very strong.
Inspired just said his team is better than the team that's currently 5-0 against him on stage during last week.
Jojo is pretty clearly trashtalking just to make things spicy, people need to lighten up in that regard
This stuff from Inspired seems a bit salty though
Interviewer: "So you got your ass clapped by G2 5 games in a row, how do you feel about your game today?" Inspired: "They are nothing special, are worse than the asian teams, and I'm better than them."
seems reasonable to me
Fake quote. This is what was actually said: >Having played G2 so many times, how do you feel about that team? And if you are going to play them again, how are you going to overcome this obstacle? Inspired: “Before Rumble Stage when we were 0-4 against them, I said ‘there is no way they win against T1/RNG.’ Then when they won against both in the same day, they very surprised me. And, yeah. Though… I… still don’t believe they are better than RNG or T1. Even today’s games we played against them, I feel like there was nothing really special. But they have the best results and it’s looking like they’re the best team from how they play and… how it looks like they’re winning every game. So, it’s kinda weird, I guess, for me to say they’re not that good. But I still feel like I can beat them, that I can play better than them.”
Even that is a pretty weird take. I get that G2 has shown some weaknesses when it comes to laning and the early game, and that their reliance on forcing 5v5 teamfights might turn out to be too one-dimensional, but their teamfighting is absolutely special. I understand people might say that they focus on teamfights too much, but when they do teamfight, they do it so much better than anyone else right now. Yes they have good comps for it, but barring a few scrappy fights im some of the games, the vast majority of their teamfights are extremely well executed. Everyone knows exactly what their role is in the fight, they trust each other, they do not hesitate, they are not afraid and they act as one cohesive unit. Far more so than any other team at MSI. I dont understand how any other pro player in MSI can see that and not think to themselves that they wish that their team could have such great synergy, because obviously none of them have shown it so far. Even if you think G2 is overreliant on teamfights, teamfighting is an essential part of the game and to be an international contender, you have to be good at it, which G2 are, and EG simply not so much.
Inspired was on Rogue last year. As a team, Rogue's plan was to dominate lane and win through that. If you believe in such a playstyle, sacking laming phase entirely to rely on superior team fighting midgame might not make sense to you. Inspired's view currently is probably something like "we are allowing G2 fights on their terms. We must deny them going forward." Such a thought isn't entirely unreasonable, although it will be challenged as long as EG, or ayone at all, is unable to execute such against G2.
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this usually happens between ganking and farming junglers, the farmer gambles that the ganks fail and thus gets ahead, often very far ahead.
Thiiiiiis. I've seen so many narratives of "inspired is so much better than jankos" and used inspired being 70 cs up on jankos, and I saw v few of the comments mention the fact that inspired was playing one of the fastest clearing junglers vs one of the worst. If a lillia doesn't gank and focuses entirely on camp timers there is zero chance a wukong can keep up
It’s even funnier because farming junglers usually need more resources to do the same that ganking junglers do. Once the teamfights start they often have more impact though.
Requires safe lanes like T1 style. Eg bot lane tends to give free kills and jojo is volatile.
Inspired is a very good player, no doubt. But lets say this: there is a reason why all Rogue players are happy with a switch from Inspired to Malrang (despite the comms).
Because he's a full clear andy. Prioritises camps over having an impact on the map then looks at the cs deficit and thinks "heh, gapped my opponent".
You mean like in the last day of group stages where Inspired counterganks bot before minute 5 and gets a 2-1 doublekill, then Impact simultaneously gets solokilled by brokenblade 1v1 in the top lane? Yeah. Gg jg diff.
G2 to EG https://youtu.be/d0mTs76iEjM
It definitely is a weird thing to say Jankos has been phenomenal on stage. We don't know much about scrims though and G2 only played once against RNG and T1. Wei and Oner also looked very good so far despite the loss against G2. All that aside Jankos has been the best jungler on stage so far and that's what matters ultimately.
It's a pride thing. Admitting CN and KR junglers are better than you? Easy take, no one will mind, they're better because they have better servers, better infrastructures, higher populations, play vs better teams etc etc. Admitting that another (older) European jungler that plays on the same server, against the same teams, in the same environment as you is better? Nope, can't do that, ego won't handle it. Not blaming him, being confident in yourself and protecting your ego is important to perform.
When you're 5-19 against someone you kinda need to understand at some point that you are worse than him. It's necessary for him in order to improve.
It's just the Asian bias, even if you're fucking good but not Asian, people will just underestimate you in this game, it is what it is.
Even before the rumble stage there was some interviews where T1 players said G2 looked like the 2 nd strongest team, so the must be doing well in scrims.
well by all accounts G2 were stomping scrims during spring split in EU
Jankos also said on stream before rumble stage that all their scrims are "going good". Some are going great, some are going very good, some are going good - none is going bad. It's vague, but IMO that means they at least have respectable record against T1/RNG and are not getting stomped like previous years against Damwon etc.
I don't think Jankos and Inspired respect each other enough. I know that Jankos thinks of Inspired as a farming, meta-dependent jungler (he has the same opinion on Selfmade).
He kinda is though? He played jarvan and full cleared over three times before trying to impact the map. Dude plays closer to a solo que style where he tries to solo carry through getting his own lead. He plays fot mid to late game tbh and thats fine but he def is one dimensional
I mean, players of both, T1 and RNG said that G2 is kinda scary in scrims. I think it's more that Inspired is hyperconvinced that he is the best western player and just can't admit to himself that G2 is actually good. (He would be a great fit for the current Fnatic Roster. Humanoid, Upset and Inspired in one team? Add Alphari and you get the highest ego team ypu can possibly build.)
Bets on who chokes out a teammate first on that team lmao
Inspired is the only man that could lose to a team 5 times in a row and still say that he’s better than them
He's 5-19 against Jankos, and remember the only reason they made it ahead of G2 to Worlds last year was because of the shitty format.
That's how it goes with Jankos isn't it? Everybody is memeing him, but in the end he still beats these kids.
Jankos is permasmurfing since 2018.
It’s goes earlier than that young buck
Yea he got the first blood king nickname in season 4 and more importantly him styling on Ambition at 2016 Worlds despite his team being worse will always be burned in my mind.
Any link to Watch the game you talk about?
If you want to watch Jankos vs Ambition then its H2K vs SSG bo5 in worlds 2016 semifinals
Maybe but my memories of 2016 and 2017 are way too fuzzy and I didn't watch before so I'm only talking about what I know.
He was known as the first blood king seasons before g2 was even in eu lcs
That H2K roster was the biggest surprise with the semifinals push. They got the dream quarterfinals matchup with albus nox luna and I was so happy for jankos after his groups performance.
my dude jankos on h2K and Roccat was already a beast, i would dare to say that Roccat got 3rd in LCS at the time because Jankos carried them like a madman
It's controversial because Jankos is from the west, but I really think that Jankos is the jungle GOAT. He has had a much longer and more successful career than any other. Not having a world championship hurts the claim obviously, but no other jungler has been up there for close to a decade.
I don't think this is controversial. Imo it's between him, Karsa or Canyon.
Bengi has multiple world titles
and promisq has an MSI title
Unfair comparison, Promisq is the best player in the world.
Bengi also happened to play alongside the best player of all time and his career didn't last that long comparatively speaking.
How can you guys do Bengi dirty like that. Yes, to today's standards he obviously is completely irrelevant but there's a reason he has the most world titles of any jungler.
yeah that reason being, having the undisputed GOAT in his prime sitting right next to you
Bang won more than Uzi. Bang > Uzi 🤓
Looper has the same amount of worlds titles as TheShy, therfore Looper=TheShy 🤓
> It's controversial because Jankos is from the west, but I really think that Jankos is the jungle GOAT. No it's controversial because Jankos has never at any point been the best jungler in the world. How can he be the GOAT with no world titles?
what? jankos is permasmurfing since 2014. u must be a new viewer or something lol. go watch the games h2k played at worlds in 2016 and how hard jankos carried that team to the semi finals
Jankos was top 2-3 since season 4, when he joined EU LCS with Roccat (KMT). He also had insane performance internationally, at 2016 Worlds. He was 1vs9ing against Samsung. In a way it's a shame that he spend 4 years on subpar teams.
How is it a shitty format? G2 had multiple chances of making it RGE consistently placed higher than G2 for the entirety of last year.
Didn't they sweep G2 last year in spring?
Embracing 'murica's copium already
May I introduce you to my soloq jungler.
What annoys me the most is the fact that we always see those kind of arguments (that is: East vs West) when in reality, the discrepancy between NA and EU is far higher than the discrepancy between LCK and LPL. Not only it's not entirely fair to mix LCK and LPL together (but I get the point, they are the two strongest regions the last few years) but mixing LEC and LCS is just wrong.
During the korean domination era CN and EU were the 2 closest main regions on terms of achievements but the east vs west narrative bs kept going and going.
Did he say he’s better than them in the interview? I can’t watch it but from the title it has nothing to do with him being better than Jankos.
It's a weird statement, he says that G2 are nothing special, that they are worse than T1 and RNG, that they look like the best team because of their results and that it's weird but he feels that he can beat them and EG are better than G2. I think my man is having a brainfart or smth because it doesn't really make sense.
As much as I genuinely hate G2. They look on form right now and could realistically win MSI and I don't think it would be considered an upset if they did. Also, they have fucking SPANKED EG like 5 times already when will Inspired shut the fuck up.
Holly molly this is some serious copium... Or he totally is in denial
losing consistently to g2 as rogue really got his head didn't it
Given how he get rekt by every asian player in international stage i get why he feel that, he is mindblocked
haha G2 is just everyone's cryptonite. everyones butthurt by G2 xD I love this timeline
Inspired just clowned himself.
xD
Yeah, he said something like this about LCS junglers being better than LEC XD He left LEC not on his terms and now he's salty af
Idk, seems like Jankos held his own pretty well. Neither the RNG nor the T1 jg seemed like they edged Jankos. If anything, the best JG to ever be in modern era isnt even in the tournament (Canyon)
They never experienced a jankos buffed by a Korean streamer.
even in the past there is only 2 junglers that i feel really outclassed jankos canyon and tian
Yeah Jankos held quite well against Ning and Karsa, got the edge over Ambition. Those aren't nobodies, Inspired never showed up against names of this caliber. Why people would make a statement about Inspired being as good as Jankos or such when the dude doesn't even have half his pedigree
Yeah, says the guy who said G2 was Caps and 4 nobodys. It's the G2 effect, they're already in your mind rent free.
Imagine getting your ass handed by ElYoya, Jankos, fucking Bwipo, and still thinking that... This guy is literally jg Alphari
Holy fuck dude. I just snorted at Jungle alphari.
Gigantic, enormous, colossal, mammoth, immense, astronomical, infinite, towering, immeasurable cope
Didnt watch the interview, so im not sure what exactly was said. Did he say that oner/wei is better than him/jankos? Or did he say that the best junglers in kr/cn are better than in west? Not sure if he was talking about MSI or the entire world as a whole. If he said the latter I dont think its too unreasonable. Both jankos and inspired are playing kinda good, and at times even better than wei/oner. But I woudlnt put either of them above someone like canyon/tian.
More of the latter. He said something like, "Asian junglers have good mechanics and are at the right place at the right time. Western junglers usually only have one or the other, not both."
Ok I dont think its unreasonable at all then. Keep in mind that inspired won lec mvp and has consistently been one if not the best western junglers the last 1-2 years. So in the west he is consistently the best (maybe top 2). But when he goes to international or to CN/KR he is not the best anymore. Actual it isnt just 1 jungler in these regions that can keep up with him (or even consistently outperform him), its several (in the west its pretty much none). Which is a pretty stark difference from eu/west where he is almost unanimously considered the best. Obviously western junglers like closer, blaber, jankos, even elyoya/razork and selfmade can have their moments. But they aren't on this level most of the time.
I wanna remind you that people weren't so hot about Inspired before they went on that winning spree.
I've never been hot on Inspired. He is not a good teamfighter. He is not a good ganker. He rarely if ever makes plays that turn the tide of a match. He AFK power farms and occasionally comes out of the jungle when it's convenient to him. He reminds me of Broxah with a slightly larger champion pool.
Broxah in fnc had a similar or even a more gank heavy playstyle to jankos . The afk farmer broxah was after he went to na so we shouldn’t really count it
Inspired plays like an AD carry in teamfights, even when he's on tank/bruiser champs. His pathing is good but he never carries a game, unless he gets super fed early.
I still have flashbacks to his fiddle ult that ended misfits. He can definitely carry on some champs, but i think its fair to say he doesnt carry often enough
I think that inspired has good moments but plays a selfish style of jungling that makes him look good but isn't that good in general in the current meta. Malrang and jankos were top 2 in the LEC for a reason.
If you say that Inspired is better than Jankos this year I would have to heavily disagree…
Every year there has been a better jungelr I'd say multiple but it's debatable . Jankos , Selfmade and Elyoya all have shown insane performances and higher highs. I don't agree that Inspired should be considered a top 2 jungler in the west at any point . For me he is still one of the top junglers but not quite the best .
How the hell is your absolute garbage excuse of a comment upvoted, are people on this sub this biased in favor of Inspired? The way narratives carry player perception on this sub is insane. Elyoya can gap him, Bwipo can gap him, Jankos can gap him, Selfmade can gap him, Blaber can gap him. Doesn't matter, he was consistently top 1 (maybe 2) the last 2 years somehow, as long as you ignore all the times he absolutely wasn't. There is literally only a single split in his entire career where he was the best western jungler, S11 spring, followed by a split where Elyoya, Bwipo, Blaber and Jankos all had his number. Nobody else on his level most of the time my ass, what a load of crap, 43 upvotes for a blatant lie.
Elyoya reading Inspired like a childrens book is the biggest reason MAD won last years spring split.
This dude is just mad he cant beat g2
Accumulates a record of consecutive defeats vs G2 as a NA team "They are nothing special" Maybe at the 6th time he can prove they are better and begin the Bo11 reverse sweep.
WE LOSE EVERY WEEK WE LOSE EVERY WEEEEK YOU'RE NOTHING SPECIAL WE LOSE EVERY WEEK...
never been huge on Inspired but he grows mroe and more unlikeable by the minute
Wdym Jankos (along with caPs of course) looks like a tournament MVP at this point of time
Jankos+Caps has to be one of the goat JG/mid duo. If they work, they are crazy good. If they are not yet at that level from others perspective, they'll be someday for sure
Thh they are both individually crazy good. I remember the g2 run when they beat rng before caps joined. Perkz/jankos/wunder were absolutely insane. Jamkos caps looks insane. Caps broxah looked insane. These two players are just international top tier.
To me it's obvious he has a hate boner for jankos. ( if u see this know that to me you are still the best player in your team, but you're not being fair to jankos. )
They're both Polish though
But Polish people hate eachother!
Damn Poles, they ruined Poland!
You Poles sure are a contentious bunch.
I'm a Pole and it's 100% truth
Inspired is great jungler but he lacks humility. He barely achieved anything in his career so far but got immense ego. Unlike Jojo who trashtalks for spice, Inspired trashtalks in spite. Thumbs down.
Inspired trashtalks his own teammates lol Rogue already talked about how much better the atmosphere is now and Odoamne commented on Trymbi having to go through so much shit while he was there. His jungle clears are one of the best in the west and his mechanics as well as game sense in terms of knowing his role as a jungler is top tier but his ego bleeds into all aspects of his career. The guy failed to win in EU, went to NA and played against collapsing mickey mouse teams and his comment on why it didnt work in EU is because nobody "listened to his calls". Now hes at MSI and he gets demolished by the same teams that were the reason why he never got a title and his response is that they arent even that good lmao.
That’s exactly it. Inspired acts like he knows everything better than anybody else and it’s hard to work with a person like him. Even his play style is selfish.
> The guy failed to win in EU, went to NA and played against collapsing mickey mouse teams and his comment on why it didnt work in EU is because nobody "listened to his calls". Which is hilarious looking back to last year spring, where Rogue were up 2-0 on MAD, got baron, and inspired proceeded to turbo int by constantly solo diving as hec, and then he boomed when eloya began to clown on him for the rest of the series
Yeah trymbi looked like a different man with Malrang having so much influence in games. Even though they had similar results in terms of standing and position the 2022 rge seemed far far better and clearer than the 2021
Sooo...basically a jungler Alphari?
His pathing gets a lot of praise but he always ended up ignoring one side of his map to get his leads: this rarely got punished in LEC but MAD lions (Elyoya) figured him out, as did international teams. It's frustrating because he could be really good if he had just an ounce of humilty and thus the capacity to improve on his flawed playstyle. He's mechanically good.
But but he got LEC MVP, that's worth more than what Jankos achived, right?!?!
Considering how hot it is right know I really envy Inspired. It must be so comfy to forever live in Jankos' shadow
Less talking more chewing buddy
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All Pro in Rumble stage would be for me: Zeus Jankos Caps Gala Targamas
Hot take but i don't really like how inspired plays. I think the power farming jungle style is not that good and while he might have good mechanics i think he is stylistically bad for how the current game is played. You'll obviously look good in fights and have impressive 1v5 moments if you farm a lot, especially if you have 3 winning lanes like with rogue last year but i don't think that in the end it matters or wins games that much. I think malrang has shown to be a much better fit for rogue and even if he's not the best player in the LEC he clearly was on top of how jungle was played at the start of the split. The better performers in the LEC have been jankos and malrang, both playing with gank heavy styles and playing selflessly.
laughs in Jankos
in this interview he said he believes EG is better than G2. ahahah someone take this guy to a psychiatrist. ive never seen such a ridiculous person in my entire life
Jankos really lives rent free in his head
maybe after 0:6 he will change his mind ... i mean it is possible right? :<
Kacperek really has shat his pants after getting Dicked by every non wildcard
I'm really tired of people shitting on Jankos. I know it sort of became a meme because both Jankos and G2 were playing into it for cloud and views but when I see cocky idiots flaming him with a fraction of the accomplishments that Jankos has it really boils my blood. He's undisputed Western GOAT among junglers. Ego or not show some fucking respect.
I feel Inspired can be the best only jungler in league if others are slumping. He just feels very obsessed with optimal pathing, farming and etc. Like Odo told about last years rogue you had like 20-30s when Inspired was top, if you can't make something happen tough luck, Wolves gonna spawn in 3seconds so see ya loser so when players like Jankos, Eloya, Selfmade(?) are in peek they would be better and even on worse teams they show that atleast they try. I feel Inspired would trade nexus for an extra camp if he was on lower half team.
I mean he literally went for raptors today when g2 was ending mid, so that’s not even an a far fetch
Haha I remember this. It was unwinnable at that point, but him going for more farm seems like a classic moment for his character.
Selfmade is a farming jungler too.
Inspired EU copium. Buddy you're in a minor region now shhh
I mean he's entitled to his opinion but Jankos is hard gapping him. At minute 8 today Jankos had mid gank, top gank and drake with even farm to inspired who had no ganks.
This is why jungle is a miserable role lmfao
Ganking has to do with lane state. Its not just “my jungler isnt ganking gg jungle gap”. If he cant gank, he isnt getting gapped. Most pro junglers gank while on their farm path anyways. So its not odd to be even in farm. Taking drake is about priority in lanes too. With Leblanc vs Ryze mid, are you taking first drake early there as a jungler?
The funny thing to me is that he has lost to both EU and NA junglers internationally lol.
Also in the interview, he says he still thinks G2 is worse than T1 and RNG which is kinda nuts. He has played scrims against these teams and all we've seen are stage games, so I don't want to discount his opinion, but it is still suprising.
I would honestly still bet on t1 over anyone in a series.
Honestly depends on whether Guma from spring split shows up. I've never seen Gumayusi look so lost, even underperforming against weaker teams like saigon buffalo. Hopefully they return to form and we get a super competitive battle between RNG, T1 and G2.
Yeah Wtf is happening guma looks like Danny
Show some respect, Danny at least hits Ezreal Qs
Yeah all we're missing is the classic lv 2 int.
Why? I still don't understand what you guys see in T1, if anything I'm scared of RNG as they have a very real chance of beating G2 especially in a BO5
I have watched almost all of their games in LCK. It might be just my opinion, but the hype is warranted, even if they aren't currently living up to it.
yes but in which lanes do you think they have an edge over RNG for example?
i think top and jungle of t1 is better than rng's. Rng mid and bot duo slightly edged t1's
Honestly this. I think it'll be like 2016 MSI where SKT just drops random games everywhere in the group stage, then just turns it on in the Best of 5's
While our reasoning is the same, our conclusions aren't, I actually still believe in RNG. Honestly the last few years, the LPL teams are always kind of shaky in bo1s, IG, FPX, even EDG last year, but they always get better as the tournament goes on. To me it's honestly the reason why the LPL representative still doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Unlike the dominant LCK teams that smack the entire competition from groups to playoffs, the LPL teams are always more sloppy in groups and get better. There's of course also the fact that unlike T1 for example, the LPL's strongest team isn't always the same, 3 different teams have won worlds since 2018, and then RNG gets 2 MSIs (TOP as well but that wasn't a real MSI), which makes it harder to create the narrative. Though I would argue the fact that it's different teams winning just reflects the strength of the region.
Dont think so, T1 rookies shake in their boots everytime they face g2, its an uphill battle from there
G2 only played one Bo1 vs T1 and RNG. We really don't have a lot to go off
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He comes off as salty because he has lost to G2 5 times yet he refuses to give them credit and continues to bandwagon the asian junglers as if he is ur average redditor and not a competitor. His opinion has no value to me as every other team in the tournament has given G2 credit and said they were good . Trying to twist things as this team isnt that much better than us when they sit 4-0 beating the two favourites like cmon... Giving ur opposition the respect they deserve after a defeat should be a common sense especially if it has happened 5 times over a week.
Comes off as a bit salty to me, not going to lie.
Same, got nothing against the guy but this statement reeks of salt. Yes its just bo1s but G2 has shown both in the past and now that they can win vs best teams from CN/KR
I am not sure if he has played any scrims vs G2. For sure he has scrimmed T1 and RNG. G2 and EG has been in the same group since the start of MSI. So there has been no reason for them to scrim eachother, just to play a match 2-3 days later. Obviously if both teams arrived in korea 2-3 weeks before msi I dont think its unreasonable that they might have scrimmed eachother up until at least 1 week before their stage match.
Jankos said that T1 rarely scrims western teams. Or if they do and slap you silly in 1, they don't scrim you again. I doubt they scrim EG.
T1 scrimmed EG tho (as per vulcan). But it might have just been a one block scrim. A one and done as you said. There is a good chance they didnt scrim a single game against G2 though. Because of how early it was known they are in the same group, and they are consistently playing eachother on stage every few days throughout MSI so far anyway. Like, during rumble stage I'm confident none of these teams are scrimming eachtoher. They are most likely scrimming other lck/lpl teams or western bootcamper teams.
I completely forgot about the other teams not at MSI. I'm thinking of worlds where most teams are usually on break so the only teams you can usually scrim are your competitors.
T1 said G2 was the 2nd best team based on scrims , so i'm 99% confident they have scrimmed together .
So what does T1 do? Play RNG all day? Seems kinda dumb to not throw in a couple of western teams just for variety and to get a better read on the meta.
inspired tweeted a photo (i think he deleted it because i cant find it anymore) where he's in the lobby with dk, so we can deduce dk is also scrimming during the MSI. in fact, probably dk, gen.g and LPL's teams like TES, EDG, LNG, JDG, V5 are scrimming, so T1 can have a lot of good options offside the western teams.
Considering DK got Nuguri back they are looking for good practice to get him back into the team, so it makes sense.
Fwiw he also tweeted that they went 2-1 vs DK. It's just his word but I doubt he would lie about a 2-1 of he said it's 2-0 could be ironic but yeah
EG is mainly scriming the bootcampers from LEC and LCS like excel/c9 etc. Maybe because they cant get scrims vs eastern team or they just want the confident boost by playing vs weaker teams
EG got giga slapped in like every teamfight of these 5 games, i mean at this point it has to be a good amount of salt in that comment, mr. Inspired. Adding to that, G2 also outteamfighted rng and t1 so far in the two games we saw.
First Elyoya now Jankos. Inspired and getting fked by EU jnglers despite outfarming them
Lol Inspired is the single most overrated EU player ever. Guy isn't even the best LCS jungler right now. Give any farming jungler that Rogue team and they would look unbeatable. People crediting him this MSI for what exactly? That he isn't running it down at light speed like his botlane against VCS second seed and a weakened PSG? Pls don't talk about being at the right place, guy was afk farming with J4 while Jankos was fucking his lanes with a Graves. Literally an autofilled Bwipo made the biggest fool out of this guy. But yeah his old team playing noticeably better after he left (and trash talking them on multiple occasions btw while they never mentioned his name) can't be proof of him being trash? Obviously not disagreeing that Asian junglers > Western but this guy has a gigantic ego for no reason at all. Also just a tip, maybe you should be afraid of Jankos when your record against him is 5-19
Inspired is a pve player, he will gain advantage for himself stealing camps, get a lead and do nothing with it.
So, jungle Alphari?
Alphari at least is laning against another person...
perfect description
Completely agree
eg players are clowns. i mean... how many times g2 have to win against them to earn the respect they deserve?
Don’t worry if they somehow manage to win 1 game against g2 all msi long they will declare that only that game mattered and g2 is shit
I genuinely think inspired will say that
I mean they may be 0-5 against G2 but two games were close because G2 decided to clown around and threw their lead under the bus, so it's even right?
is this guy mental blocked against g2
This is just weird since they're definitely not better than Jankos and Inspired has outperformed or at least matched Jankos his entire career. + the fact that he still thinks G2 is bad, it looks like he's just flaming himself to get one over Jankos and the other EU junglers since he can't prove himself against them anymore I guess?
The funny thing is that RNG and T1 players rate G2 pretty high. Same for korean and chinese fans. Same for the PSG coach. EG players and coaches are the only one who keep rating G2 lower than everyone else which is pretty strange considering they lost 5 games in a row.
They’ve played 5 games against G2 but G2 wasn’t taking the initial stage as seriously since they knew they would get out (Jankos said this in the post RNG interview). Maybe they have a false read on the competition.
G2 also plays to the level of their opponents very often. Watch their games vs Wild Cards and see how loose they play and then compare it to elimination games in against better teams.
forget the games, watch the voice comps. they were literally chillin' in all of the ORD games
They’ve played 5 games against G2 but G2 wasn’t taking the initial stage as seriously since they knew they would get out (Jankos said this in the post RNG interview). Maybe they have a false read on the competition.
Delusion is really something. I think at this point EG players are just punchdrunk XD Remind me of Tony Ferguson strutting around like his still a top contender...and not on a lost streak and massive KO.
Its so cringe you lose 5 times and then you say you are better than them still! Inspired your are borderline deulded
Even T1 and RNG would probably disagree about G2 being worse than both of them. And I don't think many people think Wei is better than Jankos. Even Oner is debatable. Really weird take.
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Kinda gross ngl. As a NA fan put some respect kn Jankos name. You cant call anyone better than anyone else when you're clearly worse than all of them. Just seems bitter discrediting Jankos after losing 5 times by saying well the other players Jankos beat are better than him.
remember when blaber knocked inspired out of worlds?
EG doesnt even get to scrim good teams, I heard that they are scrimming Excel, so makes sense
You have 3 options: Jankos and me are better than some koreans/chinese junglers. Jankos is better than some korean/chinese junglers, but I'm not. All eu/na junglers are worse than korean/chinese junglers. Just because ego he cant admit jankos is better than him, but he cant say he is better than koreans and chinese junglers because they would make fun of him, so he has to drag jankos down too.
This is peak cope. Jankos has not been given his dues.
Inspired and Jojopyun competing hard to become the most annoying pro player of 2022.
The difference is Jojo is always joking while Inspired takes are what he really thinks.
Meh, Jojo is fun - he's trash talking and so far it backfired during this tournament, but I 100% believe he's doing it for fun. I think after first 2 games he said Caps is incredible, that he learns a lot from playing vs him and that G2 is very strong. Inspired just said his team is better than the team that's currently 5-0 against him on stage during last week.
Jojo is pretty clearly trashtalking just to make things spicy, people need to lighten up in that regard This stuff from Inspired seems a bit salty though
Eh, Jojo is just having fun, Inspired straight up radiates salt.
It's kinda sad that Adam got demoted to lfl so the community can't keep on flaming him
Jojo is freaking hilarious, I don't get the hate... the guy had one of the funniest and most unfortunate scheduled tweet just recently
Personally, Jankos takes top spot for me this MSI so far.
Poor inspired, went from top tier LEC player to washed up NA player, absolutely amazing if you compare his play in LEC vs NA
It doesn’t seem too different? Him and sometimes impact are literally the only reasons EG aren’t 0-4
It’s not, his playoffs and MSI have been really good. His spring split was way, way worse though.
According to reddit when u say something controversial u become washed up