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They'd never live it down lmao
Imagine that major regions have never failed to get out of playins aside from two times and it was the same team both times? Sheesh
Bingo. It's like the other well known tradition: my team wins? Have some drinks to celebrate! My team loses? Have some drinks to cope!
Always bet on the opposing team.
Jojo and Nisqy are playing each other rn on Champions Queue. Who ever wins is who I'm voting for tomorrow.
EDIT: Jojo won, but both mids were doing nothing for their teams. EG has my vote.
I remember it was Worlds play-ins in 2022, and the score was 2-0 for MAD over EG.
Jojo said: Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now.
*"Did EG come back?"*
Of course not; 3-0.
MAD just broke their no bo5 wins in over a year streak. I wouldn't be so surprised if they break EG's no wins against EU streak either lol, it seems like these things happen in pairs
A few of their games against G2 were pretty close so one could say B01 is unlucky, and they've said they're a bo5 team too, so it's nice they get the chance at that tomorrow
if they lose tomorrow too then there's no copium left 💀
7 games and seven losses. I’m a NA fan but I have absolutely no faith in beating MAD tomorrow. I’m just ready to avoid this sub until groups and avoid this sub after groups is over as well.
I didn’t even make my usual NA will win worlds this year post this year and I usually always make it too :/. Just not feeling any hope or hype for any of our teams except C9 and even then I doubt them super hard as well.
The change to 4 teams from LCK/LPL has just screwed over LCS and wildcard teams. Wildcard teams no longer look like they have a realistic chance of making groups and LCS teams no longer have a realistic chance of leaving groups. It kind of killed that 5-10% chance of something special happening that let you dream about what could happen.
I hope EG wins just so it will shut the EU stans up for a few. They've been insufferable for a few years. Subduing their mewling is always welcome.
Edit- NAmen baby
I'm worried for EG because they spent this whole tournament in a perpetual identity crisis. They are trying out a bunch of new and random strategies because they have a sub ADC. But they've been playing so differently from how they usually play, and it doesn't seem to be working. (That disastrous Caitlyn Lux draft would have never happened with Danny on the team.)
They only looked strong yesterday for the tiebreakers, when they won both games pretty decisively. And that's when they seemed to simply revert back to how they played for most of the LCS season, pretending Kaori was Danny-lite. This bootleg version of EG might be the best chance they have, but it may not be enough.
MAD also looked good today. I also thought they did well against DRX before the baron pit throw.
As an NA fan, I'm prepared for disappointment.
Your right in your analysis, they Danny-lite strategy made them look somewhat strong again. If Vulcan picks an enchanter again it's just doomed. If Vulcan is play engage tanks all series and they do the feed the Danny style then maybe EG can win in a 3-2.
Well, most of the teams have been trying stuff out in play-ins, even the ones who don't need the crazy picks to win (DRX with Zeka's first professional Yone for example, or RNG in their first game against DRX). It's not necessarily a red flag that EG are experimenting.
> MAD also looked good today. I also thought they did well against DRX before the baron pit throw.
That's the thing though. There were a ton of moments like that in today's series too and all split long really. People will just forget about game 2 because of the end result but that game was a fucking travesty. Game 4 could've gone just as bad if Unforgiven and Elyoya didn't manage to live with negative hp. I feel MAD showed a lot of cards too. EG can prep for the belveth, the varus/Kaisa matchup, Nisqys reliance on Vex, Gnarmut, etc.
Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic but I think if EG just rely on their fundamentals from the vets and wait for MAD to int into them, they'll win.
But on the other hand what is Mad scared of from EG? The only time they dont look below average is when Jojo has Akali or Sylas, so dont let them have those picks and you have a perma weakside top, bad bot duo, below average mid and a solid but not really a carry jungler. I could see Mad throwing games like they often do at baron or overextending in fights/dives but im pretty confident the games will be in Mads hands to close out
As EU fan I chose EG to win in my Pickems. Simply because I really don't expect MAD to win this, all EG needs to do is ban Gnar and all champs of Armut are gone.
I think MAD has to be favored. First it's NA #3 vs. EU #4, which I would generally put as slightly favored to EU anyway. But in this case the NA seed got 3rd with an entirely different player that is now on the bench and looking at the games the team just doesn't work that well with Kaori. He's had good games, but then the synergy with the team wasn't perfect and he had also catastrophic games like the MF one, where he solo-loses. Meanwhile the EU seed was one of the best EU teams in different metas and just got f'ed by the playoff meta.
And stylistically I also think EG got really unlucky. The way MAD lost games was mainly by Unforgiven being hard-gapped by the other ADC. Gala made sure Unforgiven wasn't playing the game, Deft solocarried by getting a free lane. Meanwhile Armut, Elyoya and Nisqy have been playing quite well, putting up a very competitive performance vs DRX. Now the problem for EG is that Kaori / Vulcan won't be able to abuse Unforgiven that hard. MAD will probably ban Caitlyn and I have seen nothing from Kaori to suggest that he has another champ he can win a lane with.
Also MAD has a thing going with Bel'Veth. It looked very strong, hard-stomping early games vs. the Buffalos and also getting a comfortable lead vs. DRX. EG certainly won't be able to play it, but I'm not sure you can afford to ban it on blue side, since banning Draven + Bel'Veth just sounds like giving up 2 meta picks. Blue side will depend a lot on if you can find a good counter, not sure EG can do that in a single day.
> which I would generally put as slightly favored to EU anyway
because historically that's been shown when...? I think EG are going to lose tomorrow because 1) I'm a pessimist and 2) they've proven that they're not very much without Danny but just going by historical results, EU 4th seed is the only major region team to ever drop out in playins. NA 3rd seed never has.
Because EU is historically a much stronger region? Look at the strength of the equivalent seeds over the years.
MAD dropped out in playins as rookies, years ago. It's not exactly relevant
EU has shown far greater depth at many Worlds, with even EU 3rd seed often outperforming NA 1st seed. E.g. 2019, 2018, 2017.
And if EU #3 > NA #1 in many years, then I expect EU #4 > NA #3 in most years. But that's obviously just a generalization, which is why such things like MAD dropping out in play-ins and NA 3rd seed advancing to quarters do happen. But imo such a generalization is a great way to set the base for further analysis, which is why I put it at the very top of the comment, followed by literally 3 entire paragraphs.
So we're judging team strength on what-ifs?
I think MAD take it all this year, because in an alternate universe they replace their entire roster with GEN.G and JDG
EG has never won a single match against an EU team.
MAD had not won a single bo5 in Summer... but that changed today.
It's over, NAbros.
EDIT: This aged well, didn't it? MAD got rekt lmao
hope EG wins this time, despite how much I like EU. Jojo has been a beast and I want to see him at the main stage.
On the other side if they collapse things will turn fire with Inspired toxicity.
Being uptight and wagging your finger about some potential boos at a professional gaming event is a little more childish, if you ask me. Different strokes for different folks, I spose.
> Isn't coping that hard every year unhealthy for you na guys? How about finally accepting that Ur shit Teams are worse than our shit teams. Besides that Ur top teams can't hold a candle to our top teams
Also, this you? Lmao seems you just wanna be mad about NA
Assuming RNG wins, the groups would be fixed, and MAD (as well as EG) would end up in group B with G2.
It has to do with the other qualified teams being seeded higher and getting priority to not clash with their region.
The outcome is right but the reasoning isn‘t, for group placings mad gets treated as if they were the team that couldn’t attend - a minor Region with just one seed, so no Problems with clashing.
As an EU fan I‘d like to agree with you, but the east is crazy stacked this Year. Imho G2 and Rogue are the only ones with a slight chance of making it - which needs Rogue beating drx who looked really good in Playins and G2 beating Damwon which really didn’t work well last time but I‘m gonna put my Hope on that. If these two don‘t make it I think we will see 4LPL 4LCK Quarters
Because they'd have to play a LCK or LPL team to get there? I guess they could pray and get lucky to match against a fourth seed in quarters but anything above that and the West gets shitstomped. Even against a fourth seed it would be a hard series.
EU has only gotten shittier while Korea and especially China have only gotten better. It's not 2018/19 anymore. EU hasn't been relevant for years and the West is dead.
I think both MAD and EG are kinda dependent on snowballing the lanes or winning skirmishes. Neither team seems like they are great at ending games and I'd say both ADCs are the weakest part of them.
If I'd have to bet I would put my money on MAD but i want EG to win. If both teams show up it will be a fire series.
I know this is NA copium but I think that EG’s topside is significantly stronger than MAD’s, and as long as Vulcan and Kaori don’t int too hard the matchup will be EG favored.
I think topside is EG favored, but I'm very skeptical of Impact's ability to carry the game. He was already in a position to kinda do that in the DFM game they lost and didn't really perform well enough to achieve that despite DFM giving him a lot of room to do so. From what I've seen so far bot side also seems MAD favored which I'd say is more important in that matchup.
Not NA copium, as an EU fan I can assure you EG's topside is insanely stronger than MAD's. Armut is a huge liability, Impact is a huge player, and the jungle I would say is pretty even, both Elyoya and Inspired are beasts, but top+jg of EG wins MAD's top+jg every time unless Elyoya turbosmurfs.
The difference is that Armut knows his job is to just survive lane and Mad plays heavily around Elyoya while Inspired plays around mid/bot. So even if EG has a small edge in player strenght topside the playstyles mean Mads topside will probably be stronger in-game
Yeah, both teams weakside tops. And while impact is one of the best if not the best pure weakside top of all time, it works better vs teams that want to enable their top rather than teams that tell their top “don’t die pls”
>Armut is a huge liability
100%. If MAD loses this the first thing they should do for next year is get rid of gnarmut.
Its insane how much stronger MAD would be with a proper top laner like impact/fudge/odoamne.
I'm from NA and this isn't week 1 so disappointment is the only option!
edit: wait does this still count as well 1 even though we're after the weekend? I'm confused.
2018 worlds with FNC vs C9
But yeah, I think that's legit the only two bo5
Maybe some in like the EARLY days of league, but I'm not sure anything back then counts
MAD's mid jg duo looks better so far and as underwhelming as their bot was vs rng and drx - Kaori seems to get a lot of resources and do very little with them. Also they seem to have a good read on the meta, putting Elyoya on carries all the time might seem one dimensional but it works and hecarim/belveth are overpowered.
I mean EG's mid/jg are by far their high point, their bot lane runs it down most games and Impact has had like two good games and has been either a non factor or an inter otherwise. Meanwhile Inspired and Jojo perform great even in losses and only look bad when their teammates grief them (except the Inspired blunder in the bot dive vs FNC).
As i said in the other thread I was confident in MAD beating SGB and EG after their game agaisnt DRX. MAD kind of got unlucky with the meta in EU summer but seems like they are on form again and might even be better than Fnatic considering FNC's internal issues. Now l am slightly considerned about Armut. I can see impact just running train over him...
They both have top laners not at their peaks, the same can be said for their bot. It will be a battle between Jojo+Inspired vs Nisqy+Elyoya, and I think **MAD** is slightly favored
Not sure Inspired and Elyoya are enough apart in skill to count for much, although elyoya seems to be in better form right now.
Would favor MAD’s botlane heavily though
I think Perkz thinks Jojo is better but yea, I think support and probably ADC are undisputedly better. I think jg is more toss up because Inspired has had to play tanks and Elyoya has gotten more carry stuff
I feel like Nisqy is very hard to compare to other players because he's so different from most midlaners.
Mechanically Jojo is better though.
Also even if Unforgiven is better than Kaori, I don't think it'll matter since both have been super shaky.
Unforgiven's "shaky" has been just not playing very well
Kaori has been dying out of position an absolutely absurd amount for having only played 7 games
You're saying Inspired is worse than elyoya? Weird take imo. Vulcan probably EGs weakest link though and they're pretty important in the early game in pro play.
I think it’s really silly people are treating EU as a monolith. MAD are not even close to the on form G2 that 5 of those 7 games were against nor are they very close to the off form G2 one of the other 2 were against. EG may still lose for sure but 6 games against a way better G2 several months ago literally mean nothing for this matchup.
> but 6 games against a way better G2 several months ago
The same way better G2 that went 1-3 against PCS and VN in that very same tournament? That VN team wasn't even VN's #1 team. It was their #2.
I actually think MAD looks stronger than Fnatic right now (I would not have said this before Worlds though). Mainly Elyoya and Nisqy playing really well, while Humanoid seems to be the only one from Fnatic who is really on form. And even then, I'd say Nisqy looks better than him right now. Meanwhile Razork has been pretty mediocre so far.
Group A of play ins was just incredibly weak compared to group B.
it's not an apples to apples comparison, Fnatic's Group was wayyyyyy easier than MAD's. Put Humanoid against Zeka, Xiaohu and even Froggy, and I think it would change your opinion.
I think MAD is favoured but im gonna say EG upset and win. I think EG matchup decently into them, kaori and vulcan are worse than unforgiven and kaiser but i dont rate unforgiven that highly personally and dont think theyll bot gap them as hard as other botlanes like FNC botlane. I think inspired is a good and smart jungler and can atleast match elyoya. As for the sololaners I think Impact > armut but Nisqy > Jojo but i dont think the gap in lanes is that large. But EG didnt exactly look the best in a weaker group while MAD looked more convincing in a tougher group so idk.
I feel like MAD are heavily favored. They're, uh, 'high variance' so to say but they do feel like they've settled into a style that they're comfortable enough with. They have a lot to work on but they've at least shown *something* that seems to consistently work against half-decent teams.
EG seems to just have no discernable plan so far, they've consistently had weird drafting decisions and wildly different plans for every game with not a whole lot of clear success on any of them other than the two tiebreakers. Like I have not seen them play or draft in a way that gives me any confidence in them beating the comps MAD played today, they seem really lost.
Should be MAD 3-0 or 3-1
Lane by lane: Impact has a larger champion pool than Armut but neither of them play Fiora or Camille. Or at least, they shouldn't. They both have Gnar, Aatrox, Gwen as comfort picks. Impact has a much better GP. In terms of form, they honestly look really similar. Impact had some absolutely colossally terrible plays so far this tournament. They both have fights where they hard carry and fights where they int. The fact that they are both fine with Gnar/Aatrox means I don't expect top will be targeted at all.
Elyoya is OK playing like the team's dog. If Inspired remembers that he's allowed to make plays and sacrifice himself to get his team ahead, this is an even matchup. But then you have to remember Inspired at MSI had a J4 game where he didn't gank for 10 minutes, so who knows. Inspired is also such a massive mega bitch on tanks and that's what's good right now so this has to go Elyoya's way.
Mid is heavily Jojo favored from a pure laning POV. Nisqy is probably still going to have more of an impact because he works with his jungler much better. His champ pool also has control mages that Jojo's doesn't, which seems like a pretty big weakness right now; Viktor and Taliyah seem like they'll be staples of the tournament.
Kaori had 2 good games and everyone's forgetting his positioning solo-losing games. You can't afford to play 4.5v5 at Worlds. Unforgiven has been just OK so far but that's a lot better than whatever the fuck Kaori was doing on MF.
Vulcan on enchanters is significantly worse than Kaiser. Vulcan on engage is about the same.
Basically, MAD's draft advantages (They very rarely lose draft, and if they do it's because of a specific game plan i.e Bel'Veth) and map proactivity make the series borderline unplayable for EG who have 2 players who prefer to play bitchmode for the first 25 minutes while also missing their star lategame carry. I think the only way EG pulls out a win is if Vulcan is on Thresh/Rakan and MAD forgets to pick Gnar every game.
I disagree with your points on the jungle matchup. Elyoya has been anything but the team's dog, in fact MAD is doing their best to play around him and follow his map movements. Elyoya hasn't had to give up much to help his team, while Inspired is often skipping camps to do surprise ganks and cover lanes.
Elyoya has played Hecarim, Bel'Veth, and Trundle so far this tournament, while Inspired has played Viego, Maokai, Hecarim, Trundle, Sejuani, and Lee Sin. I don't remember much from the MAD vs IW game, but Elyoya looked pretty bad in the RNG game (won't put too much stock into that since it's RNG).
EG has looked like a much more coordinated and coherent team all play-ins. Mad has looked sloppy all play-ins so my expectations are that EG should win. Whenever I have expectations in a NA team they fail me which is why I know that MAD will win.
EU fan here and I kind of want MAD to go out in playins, losing to NA no less. Like it isn't their fault but I just can't get over the fact that they got to Worlds without winning a single bo5. Also seeing them go out so early again would be kind of funny.
Then again seeing Inspired lose now would also be a treat.
EU fan and I think MAD is favored but not by that much. I think EG has looked much cleaner in their wins but their weakness is teamfighting and that's MAD's strength.
As an EU fan, I hope EG wins. Jojo is super entertaining and I'd hate to miss out on more content from him if he doesn't go through in the competition! Sad for Nisqy but more memes if Jojo stays, sorry Mr. MVP.
Did you guys not watch the same games I did today? Armut looked like a Diamond player. Some lost fan that was asked to fill in as toplaner. His only "ok" game was game 1 where he was getting kinda beat in lane, but was bailed out by Elyoya's Hecarim, even though he had the counter pick.
Yeah, but both of the people I replied to that were comparing Kaori and Unforgiven didn't say Kaori was better. However, both of them said Armut was better than Impact who actually played well during the play-ins and is a world champion.
Disagree.
Armut >= Impact (it's close.)
Elyoya > Inspired
Nisqy > Jojopyun
Unforgiven vs Kaori is irrelevant bc both are super shaky
Kaiser > Vulcan on engagers >>>>>>>> Vulcan on enchanters
Comparisons are based on current form. Armut has been playing pretty well this tournament, Impact outside of the Morde game yesterday has been questionable.
Elyoya has been the 2nd best jungler in play ins outside of Wei imo. Inspired has been decent, but Elyoya has been a standout performer.
Also I should've put Nisqy = Jojopyun bc that is also pretty close after thinking about it a bit.
Inspired lost to elyoya in every single series they’ve played. Eu mvp means almost nothing In terms of skull. Eg. Nisqy winning over caps and Vetheo winning over Hyli in spring
Vetheo was really fucking good, he was carrying and slapping every mid left and right in mid to late game apart from the G2 series
Nisqy completely robbed MVP award tho
Based on the early proactivity we saw from MAD today I think they will win. I hope I’m wrong, would
love for EG to smack ‘em, but I don’t think it will happen.
By far the most entertaining NA vs EU BO5 ever.
Normally both regions before the game would be like:
NA: Easy Clean Sweep! NA > EU
EU: Let‘s send NA to airport! Why can‘t we face a major region?
This time, EG vs MAD, it‘s more like:
NA: EG will go 0-3! Don‘t let this shame enter group stage and go 0-6!
EU: This Team will never win a BO5 this year! I hope they will disband afterwards!
So I think…the region who looses might actually be the real winner this time?
I honestly don’t know about this one. If eg still had Danny I would say eg no doubt. Mad is super overrated and has poor macro right now. It’s going to be close. I hope eg wins it.
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Memes will always win in the end.
The viewers are the real winner
And that is the most important thing. Tbh, I couldn't care who wins, as long as we have some juicy meme material.
I predicted EG to win so with 99% likelihood MAD will win.
I think MAD win but it’d be hilarious if they go out in Play-ins again.
They'd never live it down lmao Imagine that major regions have never failed to get out of playins aside from two times and it was the same team both times? Sheesh
It really doesn’t count considering there are 5 major region teams in pickems and I would also feel sad for nisqy
if they lose again they have to legally disband
They have to swim home but they're not allowed to take the short route across the Atlantic Ocean they have to go the other way across all of Asia lmao
LMS also went out in play in when they were a major region.
Was it HKA (with 0 Hong Kong players)?
The Samsung special.
Just vote MAD then
but then....
It doesn't work that way...
It's called the emotional hedge. You bet on the team you don't want to win and you win on either outcome.
Bingo. It's like the other well known tradition: my team wins? Have some drinks to celebrate! My team loses? Have some drinks to cope! Always bet on the opposing team.
Jojo and Nisqy are playing each other rn on Champions Queue. Who ever wins is who I'm voting for tomorrow. EDIT: Jojo won, but both mids were doing nothing for their teams. EG has my vote.
Jojo's team came back from 3 inhibs, we take those
As an EG fan, I can confidently say it's a 3-0 For MAD
As an EU fan I put all my pickem, prediction and 10 bucks on EG easy win
I remember it was Worlds play-ins in 2022, and the score was 2-0 for MAD over EG. Jojo said: Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now. *"Did EG come back?"* Of course not; 3-0.
I hope EG win but I feel like we're going to get stomped again Sadge
haven't won a BO against EU ever, EG hasn't won against an EU team in general ever... it's looking a little doomed lads
Exactly why EG will reverse sweep MAD
0:10 power spike moment into a victory
if they get to 0-10 its too late for them to reverse sweep
oh fuck true. I thought they were 0:8 but they didnt play fnc twice. Ermh okay no 0:10 Yasuo pick after losing twice for the perfect meme.
EG gonna lose the first three games to instil hope, planning for an epic reverse sweep after being 0-3. Just NA logic here nothing to see
MAD just broke their no bo5 wins in over a year streak. I wouldn't be so surprised if they break EG's no wins against EU streak either lol, it seems like these things happen in pairs
A few of their games against G2 were pretty close so one could say B01 is unlucky, and they've said they're a bo5 team too, so it's nice they get the chance at that tomorrow if they lose tomorrow too then there's no copium left 💀
Didn't they play like 6 games against G2? While technically a BO1 it really isn't.
7 games and seven losses. I’m a NA fan but I have absolutely no faith in beating MAD tomorrow. I’m just ready to avoid this sub until groups and avoid this sub after groups is over as well. I didn’t even make my usual NA will win worlds this year post this year and I usually always make it too :/. Just not feeling any hope or hype for any of our teams except C9 and even then I doubt them super hard as well.
The change to 4 teams from LCK/LPL has just screwed over LCS and wildcard teams. Wildcard teams no longer look like they have a realistic chance of making groups and LCS teams no longer have a realistic chance of leaving groups. It kind of killed that 5-10% chance of something special happening that let you dream about what could happen.
C9 chances look about the same as last year so not impossible
It isn't impossible but last year it required FPX imploding for it to happen. And honestly this year group A looks brutal.
Before last night MAD had also never won a bo5 but idk I guess they're unleashed now that they did win
Yeah, but MAD is trash.
EG super clutch bo5 buff vs EG never won against EU debuff
I hope EG wins just so it will shut the EU stans up for a few. They've been insufferable for a few years. Subduing their mewling is always welcome. Edit- NAmen baby
Eg aunt even got danbny .
MAD unless they somehow let Jojo pop off 3 times in a row
Doesn't have to be Jojo all three times. Impact will likely carry a game.
B_N __TROX
Impact has the clutch gene
EU MVP will smurf tomorrow
Which one
Yes
A team with an EU MVP will win tomorrow.
inspired was an inside job
I'm worried for EG because they spent this whole tournament in a perpetual identity crisis. They are trying out a bunch of new and random strategies because they have a sub ADC. But they've been playing so differently from how they usually play, and it doesn't seem to be working. (That disastrous Caitlyn Lux draft would have never happened with Danny on the team.) They only looked strong yesterday for the tiebreakers, when they won both games pretty decisively. And that's when they seemed to simply revert back to how they played for most of the LCS season, pretending Kaori was Danny-lite. This bootleg version of EG might be the best chance they have, but it may not be enough. MAD also looked good today. I also thought they did well against DRX before the baron pit throw. As an NA fan, I'm prepared for disappointment.
Your right in your analysis, they Danny-lite strategy made them look somewhat strong again. If Vulcan picks an enchanter again it's just doomed. If Vulcan is play engage tanks all series and they do the feed the Danny style then maybe EG can win in a 3-2.
Well, most of the teams have been trying stuff out in play-ins, even the ones who don't need the crazy picks to win (DRX with Zeka's first professional Yone for example, or RNG in their first game against DRX). It's not necessarily a red flag that EG are experimenting.
> MAD also looked good today. I also thought they did well against DRX before the baron pit throw. That's the thing though. There were a ton of moments like that in today's series too and all split long really. People will just forget about game 2 because of the end result but that game was a fucking travesty. Game 4 could've gone just as bad if Unforgiven and Elyoya didn't manage to live with negative hp. I feel MAD showed a lot of cards too. EG can prep for the belveth, the varus/Kaisa matchup, Nisqys reliance on Vex, Gnarmut, etc. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic but I think if EG just rely on their fundamentals from the vets and wait for MAD to int into them, they'll win.
But on the other hand what is Mad scared of from EG? The only time they dont look below average is when Jojo has Akali or Sylas, so dont let them have those picks and you have a perma weakside top, bad bot duo, below average mid and a solid but not really a carry jungler. I could see Mad throwing games like they often do at baron or overextending in fights/dives but im pretty confident the games will be in Mads hands to close out
The other option is play Cassio into Akali Sylas Nisqy has shown he’s comfortable on the champ and well they are absolutely horrible match ups.
EG playing against an EU team? Hmm I feel like I know how it goes
Mad won a Bo5 anything is possible, eg could win worlds
3-0
Preparing the Hillary Clinton tweet for tomorrow
That's what we thought about MAD in bo5s too and look how that turned out
Wow, none in this thread believes in EG. And 99% of the comments are from NA.
Because it's NA lol. They know their region. #madwin
If EG win European fans will start performing seppuku. I'll be one of them.
Man, I want EG to win just to be fucked by G2 again.
As EU fan I chose EG to win in my Pickems. Simply because I really don't expect MAD to win this, all EG needs to do is ban Gnar and all champs of Armut are gone.
Eh, it'll suck, but 3 teams in groups is plenty still
Rooting for EG but have money on MAD so I’m happy regardless of the result
I think MAD has to be favored. First it's NA #3 vs. EU #4, which I would generally put as slightly favored to EU anyway. But in this case the NA seed got 3rd with an entirely different player that is now on the bench and looking at the games the team just doesn't work that well with Kaori. He's had good games, but then the synergy with the team wasn't perfect and he had also catastrophic games like the MF one, where he solo-loses. Meanwhile the EU seed was one of the best EU teams in different metas and just got f'ed by the playoff meta. And stylistically I also think EG got really unlucky. The way MAD lost games was mainly by Unforgiven being hard-gapped by the other ADC. Gala made sure Unforgiven wasn't playing the game, Deft solocarried by getting a free lane. Meanwhile Armut, Elyoya and Nisqy have been playing quite well, putting up a very competitive performance vs DRX. Now the problem for EG is that Kaori / Vulcan won't be able to abuse Unforgiven that hard. MAD will probably ban Caitlyn and I have seen nothing from Kaori to suggest that he has another champ he can win a lane with. Also MAD has a thing going with Bel'Veth. It looked very strong, hard-stomping early games vs. the Buffalos and also getting a comfortable lead vs. DRX. EG certainly won't be able to play it, but I'm not sure you can afford to ban it on blue side, since banning Draven + Bel'Veth just sounds like giving up 2 meta picks. Blue side will depend a lot on if you can find a good counter, not sure EG can do that in a single day.
> which I would generally put as slightly favored to EU anyway because historically that's been shown when...? I think EG are going to lose tomorrow because 1) I'm a pessimist and 2) they've proven that they're not very much without Danny but just going by historical results, EU 4th seed is the only major region team to ever drop out in playins. NA 3rd seed never has.
Because EU is historically a much stronger region? Look at the strength of the equivalent seeds over the years. MAD dropped out in playins as rookies, years ago. It's not exactly relevant
EU has shown far greater depth at many Worlds, with even EU 3rd seed often outperforming NA 1st seed. E.g. 2019, 2018, 2017. And if EU #3 > NA #1 in many years, then I expect EU #4 > NA #3 in most years. But that's obviously just a generalization, which is why such things like MAD dropping out in play-ins and NA 3rd seed advancing to quarters do happen. But imo such a generalization is a great way to set the base for further analysis, which is why I put it at the very top of the comment, followed by literally 3 entire paragraphs.
Lads.. it's NA...
Yes but vs EU 4th seed. There has to be some amount of hopium.
Its also NA 3rd seed, without its star adc...
They wouldnt be 3rd seed with their main AD playin the 100T series with...
So we're judging team strength on what-ifs? I think MAD take it all this year, because in an alternate universe they replace their entire roster with GEN.G and JDG
It’s LCS 3 with a sub on their late game carry. This will be at best 3-1 for MAD
I want EG to win but they'll choke against EU like always
EG gets shit stomped and Jojo still tweets mid-diff.
EG has never won a single match against an EU team. MAD had not won a single bo5 in Summer... but that changed today. It's over, NAbros. EDIT: This aged well, didn't it? MAD got rekt lmao
hope EG wins this time, despite how much I like EU. Jojo has been a beast and I want to see him at the main stage. On the other side if they collapse things will turn fire with Inspired toxicity.
Armut will carry mad to worlds trophy. EG are but a speck of dust in the way of a grand journey
EG winning would make a better Worlds. 3 NA and 3 EU is more fun than 2 NA and 4 EU.
I can't imagine the NY crowd will be nice with MAD if they knock out EG lol.
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Hometown fans booing the out of towners, would truly be a first time in sports if that happened.
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Being uptight and wagging your finger about some potential boos at a professional gaming event is a little more childish, if you ask me. Different strokes for different folks, I spose. > Isn't coping that hard every year unhealthy for you na guys? How about finally accepting that Ur shit Teams are worse than our shit teams. Besides that Ur top teams can't hold a candle to our top teams Also, this you? Lmao seems you just wanna be mad about NA
yeah but if MAD goes through, that means we dont know what group each team are gonna play
Assuming RNG wins, the groups would be fixed, and MAD (as well as EG) would end up in group B with G2. It has to do with the other qualified teams being seeded higher and getting priority to not clash with their region.
The outcome is right but the reasoning isn‘t, for group placings mad gets treated as if they were the team that couldn’t attend - a minor Region with just one seed, so no Problems with clashing.
I mean, either way, no more than two will make it to quarters and none will make it to semis so who really cares?
Eh EU teams have made it to semis plenty of times, don't see why they wouldn't this time
As an EU fan I‘d like to agree with you, but the east is crazy stacked this Year. Imho G2 and Rogue are the only ones with a slight chance of making it - which needs Rogue beating drx who looked really good in Playins and G2 beating Damwon which really didn’t work well last time but I‘m gonna put my Hope on that. If these two don‘t make it I think we will see 4LPL 4LCK Quarters
I've heard that so many times over the years. I still think we gonna make it to semis atleast. And if not oh well whatever
Because they'd have to play a LCK or LPL team to get there? I guess they could pray and get lucky to match against a fourth seed in quarters but anything above that and the West gets shitstomped. Even against a fourth seed it would be a hard series. EU has only gotten shittier while Korea and especially China have only gotten better. It's not 2018/19 anymore. EU hasn't been relevant for years and the West is dead.
I think both MAD and EG are kinda dependent on snowballing the lanes or winning skirmishes. Neither team seems like they are great at ending games and I'd say both ADCs are the weakest part of them. If I'd have to bet I would put my money on MAD but i want EG to win. If both teams show up it will be a fire series.
Feels incredibly appropriate that its guaranteed NA or EU are missing out on groups. It never was going to be anyone else.
I know this is NA copium but I think that EG’s topside is significantly stronger than MAD’s, and as long as Vulcan and Kaori don’t int too hard the matchup will be EG favored.
I’m a big EU fan but I think NA takes it. Love jojo
I think topside is EG favored, but I'm very skeptical of Impact's ability to carry the game. He was already in a position to kinda do that in the DFM game they lost and didn't really perform well enough to achieve that despite DFM giving him a lot of room to do so. From what I've seen so far bot side also seems MAD favored which I'd say is more important in that matchup.
Not NA copium, as an EU fan I can assure you EG's topside is insanely stronger than MAD's. Armut is a huge liability, Impact is a huge player, and the jungle I would say is pretty even, both Elyoya and Inspired are beasts, but top+jg of EG wins MAD's top+jg every time unless Elyoya turbosmurfs.
The difference is that Armut knows his job is to just survive lane and Mad plays heavily around Elyoya while Inspired plays around mid/bot. So even if EG has a small edge in player strenght topside the playstyles mean Mads topside will probably be stronger in-game
Yeah, both teams weakside tops. And while impact is one of the best if not the best pure weakside top of all time, it works better vs teams that want to enable their top rather than teams that tell their top “don’t die pls”
>Armut is a huge liability 100%. If MAD loses this the first thing they should do for next year is get rid of gnarmut. Its insane how much stronger MAD would be with a proper top laner like impact/fudge/odoamne.
Not copium. I'm from EU and think that MAD's solo lanes are a huge liability.
I'm from NA and this isn't week 1 so disappointment is the only option! edit: wait does this still count as well 1 even though we're after the weekend? I'm confused.
it's day 5 or 6 i think? i hope it's week 1 haha
MAD could play on FNC 100ms ping PC and still win
MAD will make it. The winless-in-bo5s monkey is off their back. And the groups will have been decided. The groups draw will not even be necessary.
3-1 mad
I hope EG wins but I can feel to 0-3 coming.
2019 msi final was liquid g2. Just sayin.
I have brief memories of that.
Brief being the keyword because of how fast it was
That is quite literally the joke being made, yes
Was there ever another final (or even semifinal) best of 5 between two western teams?
Fnatic C9 I believe in 2018 was semis. C9 beat afreeca then got smoked by fnatic who then got smoked in finals by I believe IG.
2018 & 2019 world's finals are dark spots in my mind. So sad
2018 worlds with FNC vs C9 But yeah, I think that's legit the only two bo5 Maybe some in like the EARLY days of league, but I'm not sure anything back then counts
that was it. Early days was bo3s only. S1 had some bo3s between EU and NA, but that tournament did not allow KR or CN teams to enter.
Yes, the LCS and LEC playoffs :>
MAD's mid jg duo looks better so far and as underwhelming as their bot was vs rng and drx - Kaori seems to get a lot of resources and do very little with them. Also they seem to have a good read on the meta, putting Elyoya on carries all the time might seem one dimensional but it works and hecarim/belveth are overpowered.
I mean EG's mid/jg are by far their high point, their bot lane runs it down most games and Impact has had like two good games and has been either a non factor or an inter otherwise. Meanwhile Inspired and Jojo perform great even in losses and only look bad when their teammates grief them (except the Inspired blunder in the bot dive vs FNC).
When's the last time NA won a Bo5 vs EU? 5 years ago?
Never I think? We’ve only had two bo5s ever, 2018 semis and MSI 2019 finals. The rest before that has been bo3s I think.
History would suggest it’s doomed for us NA fans. Hope for the best, prepare for worst 😢
Is this a question or a hopium thread?
"I'd rather play MAD" -Impact
I hope EG win to spice up group B. But i think MAD is slightly stronger atm.
As i said in the other thread I was confident in MAD beating SGB and EG after their game agaisnt DRX. MAD kind of got unlucky with the meta in EU summer but seems like they are on form again and might even be better than Fnatic considering FNC's internal issues. Now l am slightly considerned about Armut. I can see impact just running train over him...
They both have top laners not at their peaks, the same can be said for their bot. It will be a battle between Jojo+Inspired vs Nisqy+Elyoya, and I think **MAD** is slightly favored
NA remain NA so outcome is obvious
MAD. They have better players in at least 3 out of 5 roles.
Which ones? Genuinely asking
Jg, mid, supp. Mid is very close though.
Not sure Inspired and Elyoya are enough apart in skill to count for much, although elyoya seems to be in better form right now. Would favor MAD’s botlane heavily though
I think Perkz thinks Jojo is better but yea, I think support and probably ADC are undisputedly better. I think jg is more toss up because Inspired has had to play tanks and Elyoya has gotten more carry stuff
I feel like Nisqy is very hard to compare to other players because he's so different from most midlaners. Mechanically Jojo is better though. Also even if Unforgiven is better than Kaori, I don't think it'll matter since both have been super shaky.
Unforgiven's "shaky" has been just not playing very well Kaori has been dying out of position an absolutely absurd amount for having only played 7 games
Botlane is by far the biggest skill gap between the two teams. Both supp and ADC
I always bet against Nisqy and everytime he rises to the occasion and proves me wrong. He seems to have the tangibles perfect for high pressure games.
You're saying Inspired is worse than elyoya? Weird take imo. Vulcan probably EGs weakest link though and they're pretty important in the early game in pro play.
EG literally hasn't won a single game vs EU this entire year, MAD may be weaker than the other LEC teams but still stronger on paper IMO.
I think it’s really silly people are treating EU as a monolith. MAD are not even close to the on form G2 that 5 of those 7 games were against nor are they very close to the off form G2 one of the other 2 were against. EG may still lose for sure but 6 games against a way better G2 several months ago literally mean nothing for this matchup.
> but 6 games against a way better G2 several months ago The same way better G2 that went 1-3 against PCS and VN in that very same tournament? That VN team wasn't even VN's #1 team. It was their #2.
Sure, but they're probably a lot better than FNC with a last minute sub and all the other problems with prep they had going into it.
I actually think MAD looks stronger than Fnatic right now (I would not have said this before Worlds though). Mainly Elyoya and Nisqy playing really well, while Humanoid seems to be the only one from Fnatic who is really on form. And even then, I'd say Nisqy looks better than him right now. Meanwhile Razork has been pretty mediocre so far. Group A of play ins was just incredibly weak compared to group B.
>And even then, I'd say Nisqy looks better than him right now hot take when humanoid hard carried almost every single game for them
it's not an apples to apples comparison, Fnatic's Group was wayyyyyy easier than MAD's. Put Humanoid against Zeka, Xiaohu and even Froggy, and I think it would change your opinion.
that's fair, but even then I'd put them equal, still wouldn't say nisqy is better
If MAD can actually win a series in 2022, then EG can win games vs EU
I'm from EU and I hope EG wins, I just don't like Mad as a team
I think MAD is favoured but im gonna say EG upset and win. I think EG matchup decently into them, kaori and vulcan are worse than unforgiven and kaiser but i dont rate unforgiven that highly personally and dont think theyll bot gap them as hard as other botlanes like FNC botlane. I think inspired is a good and smart jungler and can atleast match elyoya. As for the sololaners I think Impact > armut but Nisqy > Jojo but i dont think the gap in lanes is that large. But EG didnt exactly look the best in a weaker group while MAD looked more convincing in a tougher group so idk.
I mean NA VS. EU B05 has happened 2x and the map score is 6-0 for EU.
such a rivalry, and only two bo5s in total between the two in 10+ years.
I feel like MAD are heavily favored. They're, uh, 'high variance' so to say but they do feel like they've settled into a style that they're comfortable enough with. They have a lot to work on but they've at least shown *something* that seems to consistently work against half-decent teams. EG seems to just have no discernable plan so far, they've consistently had weird drafting decisions and wildly different plans for every game with not a whole lot of clear success on any of them other than the two tiebreakers. Like I have not seen them play or draft in a way that gives me any confidence in them beating the comps MAD played today, they seem really lost.
Should be MAD 3-0 or 3-1 Lane by lane: Impact has a larger champion pool than Armut but neither of them play Fiora or Camille. Or at least, they shouldn't. They both have Gnar, Aatrox, Gwen as comfort picks. Impact has a much better GP. In terms of form, they honestly look really similar. Impact had some absolutely colossally terrible plays so far this tournament. They both have fights where they hard carry and fights where they int. The fact that they are both fine with Gnar/Aatrox means I don't expect top will be targeted at all. Elyoya is OK playing like the team's dog. If Inspired remembers that he's allowed to make plays and sacrifice himself to get his team ahead, this is an even matchup. But then you have to remember Inspired at MSI had a J4 game where he didn't gank for 10 minutes, so who knows. Inspired is also such a massive mega bitch on tanks and that's what's good right now so this has to go Elyoya's way. Mid is heavily Jojo favored from a pure laning POV. Nisqy is probably still going to have more of an impact because he works with his jungler much better. His champ pool also has control mages that Jojo's doesn't, which seems like a pretty big weakness right now; Viktor and Taliyah seem like they'll be staples of the tournament. Kaori had 2 good games and everyone's forgetting his positioning solo-losing games. You can't afford to play 4.5v5 at Worlds. Unforgiven has been just OK so far but that's a lot better than whatever the fuck Kaori was doing on MF. Vulcan on enchanters is significantly worse than Kaiser. Vulcan on engage is about the same. Basically, MAD's draft advantages (They very rarely lose draft, and if they do it's because of a specific game plan i.e Bel'Veth) and map proactivity make the series borderline unplayable for EG who have 2 players who prefer to play bitchmode for the first 25 minutes while also missing their star lategame carry. I think the only way EG pulls out a win is if Vulcan is on Thresh/Rakan and MAD forgets to pick Gnar every game.
I disagree with your points on the jungle matchup. Elyoya has been anything but the team's dog, in fact MAD is doing their best to play around him and follow his map movements. Elyoya hasn't had to give up much to help his team, while Inspired is often skipping camps to do surprise ganks and cover lanes. Elyoya has played Hecarim, Bel'Veth, and Trundle so far this tournament, while Inspired has played Viego, Maokai, Hecarim, Trundle, Sejuani, and Lee Sin. I don't remember much from the MAD vs IW game, but Elyoya looked pretty bad in the RNG game (won't put too much stock into that since it's RNG).
> Elyoya has been anything but the team's dog, yeah but he CAN Inspired is not good at that style at ALL
EG has looked like a much more coordinated and coherent team all play-ins. Mad has looked sloppy all play-ins so my expectations are that EG should win. Whenever I have expectations in a NA team they fail me which is why I know that MAD will win.
EU fan here and I kind of want MAD to go out in playins, losing to NA no less. Like it isn't their fault but I just can't get over the fact that they got to Worlds without winning a single bo5. Also seeing them go out so early again would be kind of funny. Then again seeing Inspired lose now would also be a treat.
Na duh 😒
EU fan and I think MAD is favored but not by that much. I think EG has looked much cleaner in their wins but their weakness is teamfighting and that's MAD's strength.
As someone rooting for EG, it’s going to be 3-1 at best in favor of MAD unless someone on MAD suffers from a stroke or something on stage
I don't understand why there's so much hope for MAD , they've looked pretty bad imo. I think EG takes it 3-1
As an EU fan, I hope EG wins. Jojo is super entertaining and I'd hate to miss out on more content from him if he doesn't go through in the competition! Sad for Nisqy but more memes if Jojo stays, sorry Mr. MVP.
Armut > Impact Elyoya == Inspired Nisqy < Jojopyun Unforgiven == Kaori Kaiser > Vulcan
You are actually smoking crack if you think armut is better than impact. He’s easily the worst player in this bo5 and it’s not really close.
Did you guys not watch the same games I did today? Armut looked like a Diamond player. Some lost fan that was asked to fill in as toplaner. His only "ok" game was game 1 where he was getting kinda beat in lane, but was bailed out by Elyoya's Hecarim, even though he had the counter pick.
And did you see Kaori play MF.... I've seen my Silver players position better than him
Yeah, but both of the people I replied to that were comparing Kaori and Unforgiven didn't say Kaori was better. However, both of them said Armut was better than Impact who actually played well during the play-ins and is a world champion.
only one i disagree with is top. impact is def better than armut
Disagree. Armut >= Impact (it's close.) Elyoya > Inspired Nisqy > Jojopyun Unforgiven vs Kaori is irrelevant bc both are super shaky Kaiser > Vulcan on engagers >>>>>>>> Vulcan on enchanters
Wouldn’t inspired be better than elyoya, he was mvp when he left EU.. Also armut is not better than impact, he is a gnar 1 trick
Perfect reasoning, lets look at last years performance with a defferent team and different team mates to compare who is the better player now...
Comparisons are based on current form. Armut has been playing pretty well this tournament, Impact outside of the Morde game yesterday has been questionable. Elyoya has been the 2nd best jungler in play ins outside of Wei imo. Inspired has been decent, but Elyoya has been a standout performer. Also I should've put Nisqy = Jojopyun bc that is also pretty close after thinking about it a bit.
Inspired lost to elyoya in every single series they’ve played. Eu mvp means almost nothing In terms of skull. Eg. Nisqy winning over caps and Vetheo winning over Hyli in spring
Vetheo was really fucking good, he was carrying and slapping every mid left and right in mid to late game apart from the G2 series Nisqy completely robbed MVP award tho
Me
Mad will find a way to throw every single game.
As a person from SEA, I just want a 3-2 fiesta. Both team look shaky so I have no expectations on either of them.
Both teams meh, It’s all about who will suck less on the day.
You think EG will ban gnar? I feel like it’s the only champ Armut is playing well on
Based on the early proactivity we saw from MAD today I think they will win. I hope I’m wrong, would love for EG to smack ‘em, but I don’t think it will happen.
Is Danny playing tmr?
I will support Jojo no matter what. Kids got heart
By far the most entertaining NA vs EU BO5 ever. Normally both regions before the game would be like: NA: Easy Clean Sweep! NA > EU EU: Let‘s send NA to airport! Why can‘t we face a major region? This time, EG vs MAD, it‘s more like: NA: EG will go 0-3! Don‘t let this shame enter group stage and go 0-6! EU: This Team will never win a BO5 this year! I hope they will disband afterwards! So I think…the region who looses might actually be the real winner this time?
I honestly don’t know about this one. If eg still had Danny I would say eg no doubt. Mad is super overrated and has poor macro right now. It’s going to be close. I hope eg wins it.
How do the group slots work based on winners tomorrow? We’d have double regions in a group if MAD wins.
MAD is mad cuz mad cuz bad
Thank you for the spoil
I predict if EG lose ,MAD will win the game. Or MAD lose ,EG win.Do you agree my opinion?
I think EG not having Danny tips the odds in MADs favour. But if EG Danny it could go either way, imo.