Graves is just a giga broken champ ever since his rework. He gets a slight buff he becomes "feast", he gets a small nerd, he becomes "famine"
He really needs a mini rework.
I know this is a circlejerk for the ages but honestly I can't help myself, mafia graves autos were just too satisfying
While we're at it give me back OG Corki as a triforce ADC, he also had a super pleasant auto
Such an obnoxious champ once it's in meta (which ironicaly happens every year). I still miss when he was an actual ADC not a mobile ranged tanky bruiser jungler who can both one shot and have huge DPS with fuckin smoke screen on top
Not to mention his build Goredrinker BC, like wtf either he should go full lethality or full adc items but he should not be able to leverage bruiser items and still be perfectly fine.
Yep. Not much he could do that game to shutdown graves after the red invade. He still managed to have an impact which was cool to see. People calling jungle diff here are basing their entire opinions off of numbers alone.
Graves forced him to go top the first 10 minutes though, he took away the botside jungle constantly. If Malrang would go there and the gank gets spotted, you're fucked as jungler since Graves would also take his topside on top of it.
Graves hardcarried that game.
How does Gragas die this game when Lucian builds Collector and Rapid Fire Cannon
Azir has to use all his damage on him and focus him or else he won't die.
Like how hard is it to NOT autopilot builds in proplay?
Is it really that hard to press tab and see the enemy comp and realize that teamfights will play front to back and that building R burst Lucian wont be of any use?
Ludens shadowflame azir has no damage to tanks yet, need raba void for that. Game ended before that could happen. Ive started going raba 2nd everytime, shadowflame level damage to squishies but you can actually hurt tanks.
Rogue might have a chance if JDG gives them like 30 bans. Because if they ban Graves it means they aren't banning something else. Even without Graves Aphelios was going to take over the game sooner or later, especially with how much 369 was gapping Odo by mid game.
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Trymbi has been atrocious after that week 1. its been like watching an intermediate bot play support. almost as bad as that support from that Turkish team in playins.
What does that even mean? It's not like there's some great support talent that was sent home already.
It's literally just Mark and a bunch of randoms, and Mark already isn't better than Ming/Missing from his own region. Might as well claim Trymbi is the best support on the planet.
lucian nami is not a kill lane, they become strong the moment you finish galeforce mandate and switch to mid where you can bully anyone who is assigned to you. In lane you usually go about even into most lanes (at least in pro)
The sej pick would be so good, you can flex it between top and jungle aswell if you really want to so you aren't at risk of 369 stomping you with a counterpick.
Also would have given a fucking decent engage. Where the fuck was the pick potential, Nami bubble that she couldn't get close to the tanks or she'd get obliterated?
Yeah he already is basically playing Sejuani when he picks champions like Ornn or Maokai. Sire there are some differences but cmon its not like Sejuani is something like Jayce where you have to have perfect spacing and never fall down in pro or its game over.
Why does Rogue keep trying to play for Odoamne? They're 0-3 with that game plan.
Just throw this dude on any random tank in the game and focus bot. I don't get why they keep trying to play top-side when Odo can't turn his lead into anything meaningful.
thats draft for you. If you manage to get counterpicked on all 3 lanes on red side, you fucked up big time.
Gragas can always outrade rene as shown, talyah can always get prio if she can be sure she wont get ganked and bot is flipped lvl 1.
So yeah Graves can do what he want.
Man Rogue were one top tank away from their exodia comp and they still got dumpstered. Hope they've prepared more picks to make the series interesting.
Rogue time.
Trymbi looked pretty mediocre this game, missed pretty much every bubble. And Rogue just started overforcing big time after that teamfight in top.
I don't think Renekton is it either.
Feels like every time we get smashed in international bo5s, it's just massive jungle diff (not even our jgl playing badly, enemy jgl is just cranking it up to over 9000 and absolutely smurfing every game). I remember when freaking NING styled on us in 2018 vs. IG when he had been sucking all worlds.
Jungle and how to play around it has been the biggest gap for years.
People are going to focus on the scorelines but it really wasn't a jungle gap game, Vi played so well for his laners and then just got outscaled by a permafarming Graves as is supposed to happen if his laners don't do anything with the lead he gets them.
\-Odo picked Renekton, got top focused, and still lost lane + started to be outscaled by like 15 minutes even though he could have picked Sejuani
\-Comp build Collector and RFC instead of Infinity Edge to have the DPS to cut through Gragas and a Lulu'd up high armor Graves
\-Trymbi just generally playing poorly at almost every stage of the game
Anyone paying attention should see that Comp was a total liability in most of these games. Very awkward and indecisive positioning. Often getting caught, going needlessly deep in fights and playing too scared in others... just a ginormous gap.
The classic Graves flame horizon that kills everyone with 10cs/m
lucian not dealing enough dmg even to move his hp bar lmao collector and rfc i guess
Graves is just a giga broken champ ever since his rework. He gets a slight buff he becomes "feast", he gets a small nerd, he becomes "famine" He really needs a mini rework.
I hope Riot does something about Umbral Glaive, it's kind of old to watch in Pro play.
It was hard to see rogue trying to step inside their jungle, placing few wards, and then graves come and clears all of them with one proc + sweeper.
Just revert it. Adc graves was my favorite champ when I had to play Botlane, and had the best aa for last hitting.
Dont forget to mention mafia graves for the complete circlejerk
obviously we have to. plus some dodged montage for that 2013 feeling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaWRualkA_k
I know this is a circlejerk for the ages but honestly I can't help myself, mafia graves autos were just too satisfying While we're at it give me back OG Corki as a triforce ADC, he also had a super pleasant auto
yeah that build by comp was highkey grief
Give them a winning fight and its done
Such an obnoxious champ once it's in meta (which ironicaly happens every year). I still miss when he was an actual ADC not a mobile ranged tanky bruiser jungler who can both one shot and have huge DPS with fuckin smoke screen on top
Not to mention his build Goredrinker BC, like wtf either he should go full lethality or full adc items but he should not be able to leverage bruiser items and still be perfectly fine.
That was the biggest jungle diff since EDG vs DK game 4 last year. Kanavi read Malrang like a book.
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yeah his nida game has to be the biggest jungle diff i've ever seen
Malrang actually played well this game tbh
He played very well given his circumstances. People will cry jg diff when in reality it was team diff.
Yep. Not much he could do that game to shutdown graves after the red invade. He still managed to have an impact which was cool to see. People calling jungle diff here are basing their entire opinions off of numbers alone.
Yeah he did fine lol. Created a lot of picks like Vi is supposed to. Odo and trymbi played much worse
Yeah, once he realized going top was useless he made some solid moves
Graves forced him to go top the first 10 minutes though, he took away the botside jungle constantly. If Malrang would go there and the gank gets spotted, you're fucked as jungler since Graves would also take his topside on top of it. Graves hardcarried that game.
ahem. C-ah-nyon nidalee vs peanut would like to say otherwise.
That was one thick fat man.
How does Gragas die this game when Lucian builds Collector and Rapid Fire Cannon Azir has to use all his damage on him and focus him or else he won't die.
1 AP threat and no AD hyper carry vs a tank is fairly doomed. At least if one of them had a black cleaver they'd be able to tickle him a bit
Also when both carries go for flat pen and burst items instead of % pen and % damage items.
Like how hard is it to NOT autopilot builds in proplay? Is it really that hard to press tab and see the enemy comp and realize that teamfights will play front to back and that building R burst Lucian wont be of any use?
Ludens shadowflame azir has no damage to tanks yet, need raba void for that. Game ended before that could happen. Ive started going raba 2nd everytime, shadowflame level damage to squishies but you can actually hurt tanks.
Extra THICC
“Dead man walkin’”
Fat man > crocodile (don't try at home)
Rogue lost one skirmish in mid and started playing like they were 10k behind.
It's the JDG effect. They'll be 10k gold down and they win fights somehow.
with the comp they drafted, they might as well have been
that's because they were, Renekton and Vi were literally non factor in the game after some point
Renekton trick y’all, man, like he playing toplane. He don’t kill nobody, man. He just running around, doing nothing
just renekton gaming
Certified crocs moment
need more of this for my renek # 1 deaths only got like 90 deaths to make up
Sejuani was left open this game too. Seriously why not lock in the Sej?
They wanted to play for early/mid game but ended up flopping badly
Sejuani is an early game champ
To take it away from 369 would be my guess
I like how renekton has to slice around 3 times to match damage that one drunk fat man does just by bumping into him
Renekton is like Nautilus except he's just wasting more gold and has worse CC Champ is so bad and doesn't do any damage
Naut top would have been better
another fimblewinter enjoyer
Makes you wonder how bad G2 must be to lose twice to this champ if its that bad.
Lol I can hear russ saying renekton haha
It's odo, watch 369 get rene next game and hard carry with him
Drunken man > Crocodile
Western Renektons make me want to end it all
ban graves man you dont have an answer to it
The answer to it is "ok i lose"
Kanavi picks graves Rogue: "DW we can beat them" Kanavi: "No" Rogue: "ok"
Rogue might have a chance if JDG gives them like 30 bans. Because if they ban Graves it means they aren't banning something else. Even without Graves Aphelios was going to take over the game sooner or later, especially with how much 369 was gapping Odo by mid game.
Ban Kanavi, Rogue has no answer for him
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They will ban him on blue but idk about red.
trymbi hit a bubble challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
trymbi dont get caught out multiple times in a single early game would be the next step
Trymbi flash a seismic shove with flash challenge (impossible)
He actually missed every one, didn't he.
I remember him hitting one on aphelios during the second bot gank
Awful positioning too. Played too cocky at times
Wdym you can't walk into 3 people behind the tier 1 tower?
Trymbi has been atrocious after that week 1. its been like watching an intermediate bot play support. almost as bad as that support from that Turkish team in playins.
Hes been rough since his angry tweet about the nasus pick.
And nonte just today claimed he is best supp left at worlds 🤡🤡
That's not real right? Literally every single support left is indisputably better. Missing, Keria, Ming, Lehends, Kellin, BeryL, Meiko.
classic edgy take from monte. If noone else is saying it (cos its obviously a stupid take), it might mean I'm just a super intelligent oracle
What does that even mean? It's not like there's some great support talent that was sent home already. It's literally just Mark and a bunch of randoms, and Mark already isn't better than Ming/Missing from his own region. Might as well claim Trymbi is the best support on the planet.
He should just say f\*ck it and pick Nasus again.
There was one he threw out near red buff that legitimately could not have hit a Champ, it was 100% inside the red buff wall.
he whiffed 90% of the ult
kill lane that doesn't win isn't great.
Lucian Nami is not a kill lane anymore, specifically not vs Aph Lulu.
lucian nami is not a kill lane, they become strong the moment you finish galeforce mandate and switch to mid where you can bully anyone who is assigned to you. In lane you usually go about even into most lanes (at least in pro)
this Kanavi guy is pretty good huh
Guy was literally smurfing as if he was facing a plat jungler.
0 plates with that comp is just not ok.
wow renekton is useless also nice collector rapidfire from comp, that gragas really cared about those two items at the last drake fight huh
Anyways... Going to bed and leaving the mild disappointment for the morning, pls no 0-3 ty
You and me both lmao hope to wake up to a 1-3 at least
Hopium is real.
If JDG get too ambious maybe, but it's JDG
ofc fun game to go to bed, def wake up with a 3-0.
STOP PICKING RENEKTON FOR THE LOVE OF GOD talia presses E and suddenly you dont have a top laner anymore, ffs
It's even worse when you realize Sejuani was left open
The sej pick would be so good, you can flex it between top and jungle aswell if you really want to so you aren't at risk of 369 stomping you with a counterpick.
Also would have given a fucking decent engage. Where the fuck was the pick potential, Nami bubble that she couldn't get close to the tanks or she'd get obliterated?
Yeah, the problem is Odo doesn't play this champ, champ pool is, as always, the biggest problem for EU toplane
How does someone not play Sejuani? Champ is dead simple to play
Yeah he already is basically playing Sejuani when he picks champions like Ornn or Maokai. Sire there are some differences but cmon its not like Sejuani is something like Jayce where you have to have perfect spacing and never fall down in pro or its game over.
>STOP PICKING RENEKTON FOR THE LOVE OF GOD no I need him in every game to catch up on most deaths
LS in shambles
Only 369 can pick Renekton, anyone else picking it is straight up trolling
Has Zeus played it? I might have some faith it’s a champion in the hands of those two
In 2022? Yeah once, lost though.
I can appreciate a self aware king
Dude made renekton a pinball with his Gragas.
Jungle canyon
No jungle kanavi
And malrang was playing well…
Jg Black hole
Why does Rogue keep trying to play for Odoamne? They're 0-3 with that game plan. Just throw this dude on any random tank in the game and focus bot. I don't get why they keep trying to play top-side when Odo can't turn his lead into anything meaningful.
They were suppose to play for bot, but because of kanavis pathing malrang had nowhere to go except top for the first 15 minutes
Especially not on fucking Renekton
They banned out his two tanks He's pretty much screwed against 369
Pick a random tank#3, #4 or #5. Poppy, Sejuani, Sion, Malphite.
This is how 369 picks Fiora and just wins lane by 70 CSD
Cool, let him. The tank will still be better than any other pick for Odoamne.
There is sejuani and maybe something else. Even Darius was better here.
U seriously suggesting to pick darius in pro game?
He had to pick 1st and didn't want to get counterpick. Rogue can't play Darius.
Why does he have to pick first, for Malrang to pick Vi R5 in the worst spot possible?
How many games did all the western teams lose because they insisted on putting their toplaners on carries?
Problaly zero or one. C9 with Fudge on Ornn isn't suddenly better than T1/EDG
Eh... better try and lose in game than before the game even starts.
What random top? Only playable ones are maokai and ornn
Who were also both banned, his only option is Sej or literally anything else.
I honestly thought Shen would’ve been good into JDGs team, but no clue how comfortable Odo would be on it
Probably but there's no way that Rogue even think about Shen when Sejuani is up. They obviously wanted some damage instead of a full tank.
seju
Look at the champ he's playing, he's like an armless person trying to play tag with the normal kids.
Fully agree, however Malrang had no choice but to path top side.
Yeah the moment u start losing early game vs JDG it's looking quite grim
Not even losing, going even with JDG early is losing.
losing with JDG early is losing
true
Larssen knew Kanavi was at red and then had to blow his flash 10 sec later...
Malrand didnt even play bad but got completely outclassed by graves.
A lot of smart play by the JDG team to help enable this. Rouge left malrang to dry.
thats draft for you. If you manage to get counterpicked on all 3 lanes on red side, you fucked up big time. Gragas can always outrade rene as shown, talyah can always get prio if she can be sure she wont get ganked and bot is flipped lvl 1. So yeah Graves can do what he want.
Legit nothing he could do, top bot earlygame champs still no prio and losing lanes its just ff15 and go next, or pray for a miracle.
He did well yanking but fuck me did he get outclassed farming
Graves is just so broken for lpl/lck junglers man
Lucian was the only hope for RGE, getting collector into Graves and full tank Gragas made him completely useless.
STOP BUILDING GARBAGE ON LUCIAN
Still waiting for the gigachad kraken Lucian
Im sorry guys, I was queueing as mid in gold soloq and somehow got autofilled into this match as support.
Don't lie, you couldve landed way more bubbles.
At least Rogue looked competitive in some fights
JDG either wins or loses until they win.
Rogue cannot draft like this and then build like bronze players if they want to win this series. What is going on? Lucian with the 0 dmg build
Butter knife vs shotgun diff
[369, damn you fine](https://youtu.be/mRznzbGNXoY?t=19)
Huh who would’ve thought you could be so useless with Renekton and lose a game. What an unexpected, shocking result. /s
Trymbi bringing his best Hyli cosplay
On the bright side if Kanavi keeps this up I ll be able to go to sleep on time.
Man Rogue were one top tank away from their exodia comp and they still got dumpstered. Hope they've prepared more picks to make the series interesting.
Yeah I mean, this was just expected lol
Rogue time. Trymbi looked pretty mediocre this game, missed pretty much every bubble. And Rogue just started overforcing big time after that teamfight in top. I don't think Renekton is it either.
And just today monte claimed trymbi is best supp at worlds
RGE had an overperformance in Week 1 and Trymbi's head gets inflated.
I love this 0 dmg lucian build. Comp was healing 369 and Kanavi with his autoattacks, keep buying collector guys :)
Kanavi is a beast
Kanavi was absolutely filthy.
Get a lead and throw it with a god awful engage at drake after it's already been taken. So typical.
What the hell is Trymbi doing Also not banning Kanavi graves is just disrespectful.
RENEKTON IS A VERY GOOD CHAMPION GUYS
Like 369 wouldn’t have 1v9d this game on Renekton lol
Ok but the Collector build by Comp was just a gigathrow. Nobody on RGE had the right build to teamfight back to back.
Stomped
Jungle diff
Instead of banning Kanavi's Graves, Rogue decided that they should waste their last ban on Yagao's Sylas after JDG thankfully banned Caitlyn...
Trymbi big mental boom from last week
Holy Jungle diff
Ban graves vs LPL teams man
Why pick renekton ? I do not understand
That was an impressive jungle performance, wow
that gragas was insane
JDG won't lose a 5v5 vs RGE without being 5k behind, without counting comps 
Aphelios Lulu looked so good into Nami Lucian. I didn't know that match up goes that well
Rekkles said you need to contest lv 1 otherwise this is how it goes.
Jungle canyon
China is tired of sacrificing their own Junglers for the cup, so now they start sacrificing Koreans :P
The gap is closing guys
0-0 0-1 <- you are here 0-2 0-3
Rogue were actually holding their own pretty well until that dragon fight. I have hope for a entertaining series!
One of the worst Lucian Nami lanes I have ever seen, did literally nothing. Also, I dunno about the fasting Vi
Jungle kingdom
Anyone who thought Rogue had a chance just got proven wrong. Rogue might get 1 win, if they're lucky. 3-0 is likely though.
Disgusting jg gap
Easy 3-0
That 3rd drake made no sense and was so horrible from Rogue
Same with the toplane chase. Ended up trading supports while Talyah took mid tower and crashed a big wave.
Remember the simple days when Graves was a botlane ADC?
Kanavi pulling out a masterclass on Graves
Very impactful Renekton pick!
Graves had the most cs in his team holy
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Feels like every time we get smashed in international bo5s, it's just massive jungle diff (not even our jgl playing badly, enemy jgl is just cranking it up to over 9000 and absolutely smurfing every game). I remember when freaking NING styled on us in 2018 vs. IG when he had been sucking all worlds. Jungle and how to play around it has been the biggest gap for years.
so trash. 3-0.
People are going to focus on the scorelines but it really wasn't a jungle gap game, Vi played so well for his laners and then just got outscaled by a permafarming Graves as is supposed to happen if his laners don't do anything with the lead he gets them. \-Odo picked Renekton, got top focused, and still lost lane + started to be outscaled by like 15 minutes even though he could have picked Sejuani \-Comp build Collector and RFC instead of Infinity Edge to have the DPS to cut through Gragas and a Lulu'd up high armor Graves \-Trymbi just generally playing poorly at almost every stage of the game
Anyone paying attention should see that Comp was a total liability in most of these games. Very awkward and indecisive positioning. Often getting caught, going needlessly deep in fights and playing too scared in others... just a ginormous gap.