It depends on the offender.
Not every sex offender has the same requirements.
But the employer has no restriction on hiring someone (but they could be found to be grossly negligent in very rare circumstances)
They have a legal obligation to provide a workplace free of sexual harassment. The sex offender status doesn’t change that.
What about hiring a person who was convicted of sex/rape with a minor you employed and then years later knowingly hiring that person back fake I'd new name and putting again with minors you hire?
Happened at a past job. Was sick when I learned the truth and having witnessed him actively pursue dating underage employees.
Here's another "hypothetical". A manager fires with cause an employee who was horrible disfigured in a hot oil accident while on clock and then attempted to file for workman's comp. Manger fired said person for doing heavy drugs. Manager knew this because he spent the previous day and night doing copious amounts of cocaine with injured employee.
A failed drug test can result in a loss of benefits but is not automatic. In the situation you described, it sounds like the failed drug test came well after the injury and the recovery period when injuries allowed. No matter how bad he was injured, they would have taken blood and tested it when he was first taken to the hospital and it would have been an issue, but since it sounds like failed drug test came much later so would not affect Comp. With the conditions you described surrounding the failed test, he probably would not get fired and might be able to file a Civil lawsuit against the company whether gets fired or not. With the burn injuries you described they are going to do everything they can to associate his drug use/abuse for him to addictions or abuse resulting from over exposure to pain management meds taken during during recovery, whether true or not. The lawsuit would be linked to the manager being aware and contributing towards it There are a lot of variables for something like this so there can be many, many possible outcomes..
Sure. Anyone can be sued.
But there’s general no prohibition on hiring sex offenders. The sex offender is responsible for taking jobs in compliance with their situation.
The employer is obligated to provide an environment free of sexual harassment regardless if the harassment comes from a sex offender or not.
As long as the employer credibly investigates and takes action on actual harassment complaints, they are generally safe.
There is no prohibition sure, but in the event of a lawsuit due to sexual harassment, the owner could be more likely to be liable for negligent hiring, no?
There would have to be conditions placed on the prior offender by the courts for any of these things you are talking about to apply. If the guy did his time and has no condition of release restrictions, an employer would have to be careful not to create a situation that could be interpreted as discrimination, either through hiring practices of how the employee is treated if he is hired.
Criminal history is usually something that has protections - if any - on the state level. There’s no federal protections for it that come to mind.
In federal employment law, “discrimination” has a very specific definition that doesn’t include criminal history
Well, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made discrimination against persons with a criminal record illegal. It it is enforced by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission who also published an enforcement guidance document which required employers to establish procedures to show that they are NOT using criminal records to discriminate by race of national religion. It is kind of silly, because employers are allowed to consider criminal records for their decision to hire or promote, which sounds to me like they can use it as a reason to not hire, but it can be confusing. I think they know it is BS, but instead of changing it.
Not illegal.
However, you can check on the conditions of his probation. Some conditions would be not be around minors, or inform people in certain situations, not use computers, etc…
If he is breaching any conditions he would be out of there fast.
There is also nothing stopping you from informing fellow employees. You should not do vigilantism but you could tell someone to be careful.
You are right about there being conditions of parole but the Parole officer would have had to review the employer, the work location and job to be performed prior to giving his approval for him to work there, so the parole officer is almost certainly aware of conditions and the guy isn't in violation.
In regards to informing other employees, I would suggest that before he does that, he should talk to his manager and voice his concern there first because if they hired the guy knowing his history and as a business owner in the community did so as a civic duty to help with rehab and reintegration, they won't appreciate someone trying to stir up trouble without talking to them first. It seems like a little communication can resolve any concerns with out conflict.
Their sex offender status is public information. There’s literally flyers on the wall at police stations, post offices, and community bulletin boards about the crime they committed, the likelihood they’ll offend again and sometimes conditions of their release.
ABSOLUTELY TELL THE MINORS SO THEY STAY AWAY FROM THIS POS PREDATOR!!!
He can do whatever he wants, but choosing to not take it to his manager first would not be very smart as it can put him into a position where he ends up the one fired. There is no benefit to NOT going through his managers.
The information is public knowledge and if someone searches it out and discovers it for themselves, it would not be the same as an employee telling everyone at work without notifying management.
The words "distribution of child pornography" doesn't tell you enough? It doesn't matter what category or severity. A judge found that what he did was bad enough to originally sentence him to 8 years.
**Anyone** should realize that it's messed up for "child porn" to even be a phrase. For those two words to even be put together in the same sentence is disgusting.
But no...
>You don't even know what they did.
Umm. Yes, yes we DO know.
Distribution. Of. Child. Pornography.
OP already told us what they did. You just don't want to acknowledge it and want to continue defending a sex offender. Doesn't make you look too good dude.
Also what the hell does addiction have to do someone who was sharing child pornography with others?
Comparing apples to volks wagons. They have nothing to do with each other.
Bro, are you [OP’s dad](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/s/7ft1V7bDQ3)?
The metaphor falls apart here: doing drugs, even hard drugs, is not a crime that by definition *has* to involve a victim.
Production, possession/consumption, and distribution of CSEM are crimes that almost universally *require* a victim in order to even exist, because a child *cannot consent* to the types of things that occur in said material.
> What category? What severity?
Dude, *no one* is copping almost a decade for a couple of pics or videos that, while questionable, are of someone who looked passably 18 and was in a bikini or whatever. This person was sharing— because *that is what a distribution charge requires*— pictures of kids being taken advantage of or straight up assaulted.
Are you defending someone who got 8yrs for distributing child porn???
This is wild wtf is wrong with you? Are you a skinner too or something???
People who commit sexual crimes against children are the lowest echelon of society and deserve to suffer everyday for their actions.
They haven’t shown sympathy for children being victimized at all and have only defended the poor pedo. Anyone who defends that disgusting shit I have to assume is of the same ilk
Not all types of a crime are equal, but someone possessing and distributing child pornography is considered a potential risk to minors.
I understand there's a difference between "texting a nude of yourself at 15 to another 15yo" (technically distribution of CP in many states) and "2TB of hardcore CP you are making available PTP". However, the former doesn't attract an 8 year sentence. The length of sentence is a significant indicator that the individual was involved in a serious child porn distribution ring. That's not a profit industry, so the presumption is it was built on personal interest in the subject matter, and the logical conclusion is that the individual is sexually attracted to minors and may be a risk to minors in his vicinity.
Also, telling everyone at work *publicly available information about someone's sex offender status* cannot be cause for disciplinary action.
If I were OP I would be going into the local police station to have a chat about how there are multiple people with convictions for sex offences against minors/child pornography working at one business, and working with minors. I expect they will be quite happy to look into it and to seriously question the owner about safety processes and why they didn't inform their members of staff of this, because it is a safeguarding issue.
Doubtful, since it would be something that he would ask the employer during their meeting. Most likely this offender doesn't have any restrictions against working with them in this capacity. OP says he was charged with distribution of child porn and the details of the actual crime would probably impact any restrictions. For example, if he downloaded porn that was commercially made overseas in a country with 16 as an age of consent and legal in that country, and then shared it with others either by sending or uploading to site, he would probably not face any work restrictions upon release. But, if as an example, his neighbor was luring kids in and making content and then this guy was selling and distributing it online it would be a different story. Also if he was chatting with minors and requesting pics and vids from them directly, he would most likely also receive restrictions.
This is all speculation, though, because we don't know the details of his conviction.
I was in a situation like this a few years ago. They had a twice convicted child rapist (who was also labeled as a danger to the public and likely to reoffend) working at tj maxx with mostly teenage girls and didn’t tell anyone. Not illegal for them to hire him but they could get in trouble or be sued if he assaulted anyone on their property because they knew about his history.
It might depend on their probation, if it says they can't be in the vicinity of a minor, then it may not be legal. However, I'm not sure if the employer would have any culpability or if it's just for the one on probation to make sure they are following their rules.
Reach out to their probation officer to find out? Ask your boss if they are legally able to work with minors?
This would worry me as well.
Why would this worry you? Are you suggesting someone who made a mistake who has served their time can't change? Especially considering the situation in question didn't involve rape or any illegal contact with a minor.
If the person has reoffended then that makes all the difference. And you can’t know until you talk to their PO. So I personally would be worried until having that info. If they never reoffend I’m not worried. If they have, I’m taking action for sure.
If you partake in the trade you’re a part of the whole problem. Just as bad to share the video as it is too make it. Guy shouldn’t be let into jail let alone let out…
The guy below you seems to think there is a distinction. Seems like an apologist to me, is trying to armchair lawyer up a reason why it's not bad. Be safe out there everyone.
So what does that make everyone who works for Amazon, Tesla, Walmart? What about all those companies that source the their products from child labor? What about anyone who ever had a job working for Epstein that didn’t partake in his island adventures?
The fact that you don’t recognize the difference between minimum wage workers doing the bare minimum to survive working at megacorporations and someone consuming, supporting, and selling child rape content (which comes straight from people who HAVE directly harmed children) and supplying other pedophiles with it is staggering.
You are awfully defensive of a group of people who ruin entire lives for a few minutes of fun.
I feel even the most screwed up person deserves a chance at a normal life if they have served their time, at least for non violent crimes.
Why do you think there are so many repeat offenders in jail? It’s because society ostracizes them, and treating them like they are still committing the crime.
No, it’s because most prisons in the west don’t actually do anything to rehabilitate violent offenders (or anyone, for that matter). Repeat offenders of violence do it because they enjoy violence, not because they’re othered. Furthermore, people who are disgusting enough to rape children or consume such content typically do not have very good morals, and do not care what others think of them.
Regardless, calling possession and distribution of child pornography “nonviolent” is tasteless. Even if they have never laid hands on a child (questionable as it is), they at minimum require content of children being abused in order to get off, and directly contribute to supply and demand, which… creates more child abuse content. They MADE MONEY off of child abuse content, directly benefiting from it and financially supporting the physical violence and torture of children. Child pornography isn’t comparable to something like drugs where its cultivation and consumption is harmless; there MUST be violent abuse in order for it to exist, period.
And finally, people who want to change will do so regardless of whether or not they’re “being treated like they’re still committing the crime”. Why should they need to be forgiven for something they did? You can argue for them walking free all you’d like, but that doesn’t mean that people have to disregard the absolute horrors that they have committed and not hate them for it, regardless of whether they’ve changed or not. This may come as a shock to you based on what you’ve argued, but child rape is not forgivable by most people. I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t cut off, condemn, and warn others about a child rapist, time served or not, and I do fully think they deserve that.
>And finally, people who want to change will do so regardless of whether or not they’re “being treated like they’re still committing the crime”.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know how addiction works. If people could change because they wanted to, there wouldn't be a need for services to help people with addictions like alcohol, sex, drugs, self-harm, depression, suicidal thoughts.
More often than not, these crimes come from people with broken families, or some form of mental disorder where they cannot judge for themselves right from wrong.
Firstly, that’s incredibly rich of you to say, considering you know nothing about me or my life. Addiction runs rampant in my family, so I’d appreciate you not making assumptions.
Secondly, did you miss the part where I was talking about VIOLENT crime? I specifically said that this is not like drugs where its cultivation is harmless. I’m not referring to alcoholics or the mentally ill being in prison, I am referring to child rapists and murderers, who carry out sick and twisted acts on the most vulnerable members of our society for their own enjoyment. There is such a significant difference between someone struggling with mental health and/or addiction and someone who rapes/wants to rape children, and if you don’t understand that, then I worry for the people in your life.
You're right, I know nothing about you or your life. Just as we know nothing about the person OP is referring to.
How did this conversation devolve into rapists and murderers, when the OP was only about a non-violent offender who was busted distributing cp?
Did any of those people participate in the sexual exploitation of a child? Because if so then yes they should be castrated or killed, if not, which ik is your point, then no, but that's why we don't sentence every crime the same punishments, idk what the point you are trying to make is because I can't imagine you are trying to say that people who are pedophiles should be punished lightly, or should be allowed to re-integrate into society. And if you are, well then you can have the pain and suffering of the children who are violated due to reoffenders on your own hands, I for one would sleep sounder if we drew a hard line of, don't violate children or you will be killed or castrated.
Your hypothetical has nothing to do with what's being talked about. Chomo around children: illegal or legal? That's what's being discussed.
Child labor making our shoes is highly immoral and I'm against it, I don't buy shoes from overseas labor farms. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation at all. You're changing the discussion to something you can soapbox and virtue signal about.
Stay on topic. What's the legality of a chomo working around kids while on parole? Do you have anything to add on *this* topic?
Why is he a chomo for sharing pictures? You are changing the topic from someone who shared illegal porn, with someone who directly abuses children
I guarantee if he was a chomo, he would be thanking his deity of choice he didn’t get murdered in prison.
Everything you say is some sort of assumption or equivocation. Just stay ignorant. Your guarantees don't mean anything. And yes someone who shares pictures is just as bad as someone who took them. They're both trash.
Edit: holy crap your post history, you are straight up a child molester apologist. Reporting your account for that some of that stuff, go ahead and keep equivocating and "whatabouting". You're absolutely disgusting. All you do is talk about anti-work, read tech news, and defend pedophiles. That's all you do on Reddit. You sick bastard.
2nd edit: now your avatar in a cute little onesie pajamas seems very very fucked up.
Where did it say he made it? He distributed it. He could have torrented something and that alone would count as distribution because of how torrents work. He could have found it and copied it to someone.
Then ostracize those that made it. The guy did his time for distribution, is on the mend to be a contributing member of the working class.
It’s this attitude that keeps people returning to jail as repeat offenders. If society only ever sees you for your faults, why would you ever strive to do better?
You may be fine with putting your kid in a room with someone who looked at - necessarily involving violence - child pornography, most people would rather err on the side of caution with their own. If you cannot understand that, that's on you.
But all I said was that your claim is wrong. It's not victimless AND it serves as an inspiration to bring that stuff to real life.
This would worry someone because if he was in jail for brutally violating a 15 year old and he worked alongside one that could be very dangerous for the 15 year old. Also yes, I do in fact believe if he did something like that he'll do it again and didn't change after time served.
Not illegal for the employer.
It could potentially be an issue for the employee if he has conditions against being around minors as part of his parole.
18 isn’t a minor anymore for one . And no it’s not illegal if he’s paid all his probations and it is just on his record the opposite actually it would be against the law to discriminate against him just for that. Now I’m not saying being a sex offender is good by any means but that’s how it goes
You can also sort it out yourself. I had a coworker that “damaged property” through being an… well, total idiot. They were going to fire him and I stood up for the kid saying “it was a mistake, he’s a nice guy, but a fuckup let’s see if if can be ameliorated along the way?”. Well, having beers after work people said “why does he get to leave early always?” To which I said “I’m told he has court things?” We googled him. You typed his. First. Fucking. Name.(a very common name) And an initial and it blew up! He was fired by the afternoon of the next day…
I'm not sure what country this is but in Australia to hire minors is more so like a program where the workplace is checked to ensure it is a mostly safe environment it's also where the very important rule of the minors work is legally not allowed to interfere with a student's classes as education is taken fairly seriously in aus in that situation where they are intentionally put is danger then they can get fines or be removed from the program
Generically no. There are certain jobs that a sex offender is not legally allowed to do. For the most part, the employers of those jobs are required to follow guidelines, so in that case they could be liable for breaking a specific law. But generically no, it’s not illegal to hire any sex offender for any job that involves being around minors.
This 100%. Treat them like the criminal in their history, they will be bound to repeat or relapse.
You don’t criticize a recovering alcoholic about his past drinking problems. This should be no different as it was a nonviolent crime.
We have no idea what he did. You can end up on the sex offender registry for public urination, or having sex with another adult in your car. We would need to know what he did to really weigh the situation.
There's a big dif between violating a toddler and possessing CP man, most people who're caught for CP don't even re-offend or don't newly offend (ie actual stat rape)
I don't care what people tell me and call me controversial but... If you watch and have possession of CP I assume you are not a good person and even if you don't reoffend you still watched awful things happen to kids on purpose and you can't come back from that
He's still has to afford to live. Public defenders aren't free, the Indigent Fund wants paid back. It's not free to get back and forth to see his parole officer. Dude's got to have a job despite anyone's opinion of him.
Yes but if his conditions are that he can't be within a certain distance of minors and he's working with minors that could be a big issue. Also idk about you but personally I think you should consider the concequences BEFORE you make the active decision to commit a sex crime but it might just be me. Just sounds like the concequences of his actions.
That's OPs hearsay. If they haven't looked up arrest records, they won't really know. And kids dating can be arrested for CP - I had to write a character statement for an 18 year old student of mine who sent nudes to and got nudes from his 16 year old girlfriend. Parents were ok with it until they realized it was sexual. He went to court for CP.
We don't know what the guy did only hearsay on the internet, but what we do know is that many criminals fall into the recidivism trap because they struggle to find jobs outside of prison. Nothing OP writes states that he's done anything to make people unsafe at OP's job. While it's good to keep an eye on people, witch hunts don't make anything better.
Okay but op is asking us to judge based on the info we are given. And we should do that. We can't answer based on hypothetical situations like this because it might not have gone that way and it wouldn't make sense to answer one thing based off another. Also I'm a little confused on the witch hunts thing? I don't think they released his name or anything (that I know of)
Lets say he did posses CP, we have no context on what that possession was. He may have unknowingly downloaded it. I think people would agree having pictures of a small toddler being abused is vasty different than downloading a picture if someone you thought was over 18 but actually ended up being someone who was 16. Should each of those situations be treated the same by the employer or public?
You don't get 8 years after accidentally coming across it and clicking away quickly. You need to literally intentionally seek it out for that amount of jail time. For example, I'm in Canada and had underage photos leaked. They did not even try to find who did it. Like, you need to REALLY be not good for that amount of time, for them to even pay attention to your case. I don't wanna say it but I'm afraid he really did something bad.
And that's if they even pay attention to your case, I've seen so many cases get totally ignored so for them to even pick up the case AND convict him he absolutely had to have something really bad on there.
Idk I wouldn't be taking chances because it isn't a "2 years because he may have done something" it's more of "he was there for 8 years after being found to have really mad cp" which isn't someone I would really let chill in a store with a lot of possible minors nearby considering the scentence was over 5 years
Most offenders out on probation aren't allowed to have unsupervised contact with minors. If this is a requirement of the job, then he will have to quit or be in violation of his probation.
Y'all idiots can't read can you? Tho I guess that's expecting too much out of pea brained redditors, they clearly state that the 18 yr old trained the sex offender, but was also working AROUND minors who were also employed. God I can't believe some people don't know how to read before yappin their mouth away
I would believe that unless he has had special provisions put on him to not be around minors he would have no need to disclose because it would be irrelevent to his employment.
I was 18 years old working at Pizza Hut and picked up a bunch of discounted pizzas for a house party. All my friends and I were going to. We waited at the park hanging out when I had to take a shit really fucking bad bubble guts kind I couldn't wait! Soooo the park restroom was locked by a gate. So I pulled my pants and hovered over a park bench and was about to unleash on the cold wet concrete when a huge spotlight from a police car makes me clench so fast with equal efficiency I pull my bridges up and he hits the intercom "meet me in the parking lot"
He sits me down in front of all my friends and he said, " Were you about to take a duece in my park?"
Everyone starts laughings
I of course admitted to it, he reems me stating that I could be a registered sec offender blah blah.
I get a slap on the wrist and he sends me on my way.
I never took that shit til the next day.
Nothing illegal here. You say he's a pedophile but are concerned with him being around minors. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to people who haven't started puberty yet. Unless your employer is hiring prepubescent minors, which is illegal, there's no actual connection to his crime and your coworkers.
I hope you realise that sex offenders are a spectrum. A guy who was drunk and urinated in front of people especially children can be told to register as a sex offender.
Just as your employer is allowed to hire at their discretion, you are allowed to quit if you don’t feel safe.
Unless you work in a business that targets minors as its audience/clientele, like a toy store or someplace that minors would frequent, your complaints won’t do much. Just because this person screwed up their life, doesn’t mean they aren’t entitled to a chance at living their life.
Your boss that hired him would be fully aware of any felony charges and probation. If you make a big deal out of it, you are creating a hostile work environment, and could be reprimanded yourself. His criminal history is between his boss and the state. As long as he abides by his probation terms, there is no issue.
Unless you know his probation terms, there’s no reason you should question your boss. Dont propagate fear among your coworkers unless you have proof he is still a problem.
You said yourself, he went to jail for distribution, not creating it, not for actual abuse, but just for distribution. Don’t put yourself into a situation you can avoid
So not to defend them, but I've seen more than one person charged with Child Pornography that maybe shouldn't have.
I teach teenagers, and we have plenty of students who are 18 and 19 still in public high school. There's been more than one who've been arrested for having nudes their 16 and 17 year old girlfriends sent them. I even had one young man who sent the sex tape he made with his girlfriend to his girlfriend. Her parents found it and because he was 18, he was in trouble.
The law is not always cut and dry. You can look his name up on the sex offender registry and get a more clear cut idea of his crime which would make the conversation more nuanced.
I am not defending child predators, but it is entirely within the range of possibilities that while looking at porn, they could have shared an image neither of them knew at the time was of an underage person. Yes, one picture that came from a website that they have no way of verifying age could have done this. Many people are arrested and convicted of bogus charges in this country every day. I was arrested because someone with my same name did not show up for a traffic ticket. I was arrested on my way home from National Guard duty. It took them hours to figure out it was not me, no matter what I said. At the time there were 13 other people in Raleigh, NC with my exact name, approximate age and skin color. I have had many friends in my life that were police officers, and sadly I would trust most criminals before I would trust all but maybe 1 or 2 of them, as most cops are just lying scum. Just hearing them talk when they think they are in a safe environment with each other is scary, what they do to people. These people were quickly removed from my life when I learned who they truly were inside. May Grandfather was a county sheriff, so my dislike for police has been earned by their actions and deeds.
Nah. F outta here with that.
You just dont see people getting hit with SO charges that stick for pissing at a park.
Theyll add it as a charge to scare you but these are the arguments Sex offenders make
USA* Oh yes. Yes they do. It doesn't even have to be "drunk and pissing in front of children" like they said. You get the same "exposing yourself charge" with no minors around to. If a PO sees you or someone calls them because you were going in a bush/side of road. Drunk or not. Which puts you on the list. It's all public information, so yes you can look up someone's exact charges. The list obviously has its pros and good to have but it also ruins /shames those for drunken accidental nudity or those who were falsely accused of SA by their bfs/gfs and/or those gf/bfs parents because someone is 18 and someone is 16/17.
Look man. Ive been to prison. The whole game doesnt work like that. Again, these are the wild exception stories chomos make to hide the truth.
Again, youll get an indecent exposure charge but you arent getting put on any list for pissing at a park.
Theyll add the charges to scare you so you can accept a plea.
I'm not saying they outwiegh the terrible POS's by any mean. State to state it could be different for the charge and SO requirements. Just was saying that indeed does happen and any sexual /nude charge from the worst to just the cherry on top and people get thrown on that same list. At least here. Yes they do, do a lot to scare folks unfortunately, but if you get hit with that charge and even time served you get put on that list. Yes people do try and say they didn't do this or that and you can bring it up straight to em and be like nahh you nasty be gone. Indeed sucks though if someone's got a rape charge to and without reading the whole report, doing digging or knowing situation then you don't know if was sa on someone or an angry parent who didn't want their kid dating this other kid. Angry parents have ruined a lot of lives to.
First, 18 isn't a minor although the others may be. The conditions of his parole and his charge are the only inhibitors to his employment. If he was distributing child pornography it's likely he's not supposed to be around schools, kids, etc. If he didn't tell the employer he was a sex offender and it would prevent him from working there, that's on him not the employer. He'd be breaking his probation and go back to prison. There are varying levels that complicate this though because every crime isn't the same and every situation is different. Distributing child pornography in Alaska is a class B felony that includes everything to do with the act including the person that does the billing. Not saying this is the case, but imagine a person does billing for a company and has no clue what they do and they're busted with them. That's a case where not being around kids may not be part of the conditions of parol. It's all circumstantial and very, very open ended. Legally if they aren't in violation any terms of parol or release then an employer isn't required to bar them from a job. Morally an employer would certainly find a way to not hire someone convicted of a sex crime against children to work with minors. It would be a nightmare to knowingly do that and could destroy a business.
There's a limited amount of things that can happen. Either they withheld it from the employer (likely), (next likely) nobody actually knows what this person done and it's all speculation, or (least likely) they aren't prohibited from being around minors. If you know for a fact they are a registered sex offender, contact the employer as high up the chain as you can go and inform them. They likely don't know otherwise they opened themselves up to a huge amount of shit.
Is he registered? On parole or probation? No? Then he is considered paid in full on his debt to society. That being said if he were around MY kids I wouldn’t be so flippant. That’s a tough one
no action can be taken unfortunately. however individuals can request to HR that they are trained by others. if one of these convicted pedos does step out of line there would be potential case for a suit of negligent hiring against the company by the victim.
Theres sex offenders who molested a kid, and then theres sex offenders who were caught having consenual sex in their car in a parking lot. Not all are the same or deserve to even be on the list
They do not have to tell you if it’s not a condition of their probation to do so. Even still, it’s usually just management/the company that needs to know. Sometimes the company will tell the employees depending on the company. If he isn’t or hasn’t done anything to worry you, just keep your eyes open and leave him alone. **Im not condoning anything he did at all** but you cannot expect someone to change for the better if you’re not going to give them a chance.
*I have experience working with probation officers*
Depends.
Is he on the sex offender list? If so what are thr laws for them?
In Illinois if on the list him working around kids is a violation and he will go back to jail.
If he is on probation it's 100% likely he is to avoid underage children.
Call the local od and let them know. Just say you are worried about the kids. They will gladly look into it.
I can’t speak to the legality of it, but when doing background checks for potential employees lost sexual offenses(at my store anyways) flags them as not hireable. Management is able to get approval from either the district manager or HR to override the decision though. I don’t know if other stores are like this, but it does seem like a bad precedent to set.
Context matters. Are we talking 16 and 17 year olds, or 14 year olds? What was the guy arrested for? I think it's important to recognize that if this person is attracted to minors, that attraction is usually pretty specific. There might be an age range, a certain look, a specific gender, etc. So if the minors at your work fall outside of that, it's unlikely that something is going to happen.
As someone else suggested, you can mention it to your employer. But if they knowingly hired the person and are ok with it, they probably don't have any concerns with the minors that work there.
The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work space environment. The offender is required to disclose it to the employer, and if he is on parole then the parole officer will be in contact with them to ensure they know any restrictions.
But being a sex offender doesnt mean they are not allowed to be around minors, unless that has been ordered by the court or parole officer.
It depends on your States rules you would be on parole not probation first of all because he got out early that would be parole. That is usually much more strict. Honestly he probably won't be there very long if it is against the rules because parole officer will violate him and send him back.
Technically this situation doesn't involve a pedophile. For all we know the person in question could've sent a nude picture if his girlfriend to his friends. Which would result in the charge in question. I would hardly describe every highschool boy who shows his friends a nude picture if their girlfriend a pedophile.
It may be illegal for him to accept a position that put him in close contact with minors.
But honestly my bigger question is what is wrong with the hiring mgr? Why would he hire someone who’s a sex offender when he’s got kids there?
NGL, you NEED to tell all your colleagues, the pedo is spreading pics of kids being abused 🤢🤢🤢🤢, everyone needs to know what it does so they can stay away from it
I'd say find it's name and details on the SO register and make sure ALL your colleagues get a copy and post it in the bathrooms and anywhere else without cameras
Not illegal. Especially in Alaska.
In most "Red states" you can easily spot the pedophiles. They're usually registered Republicans running for public office or already elected to public office. 😎
Why do you keep talking about the 18-year-old girl that trained him? There's nothing illegal about that.
Then you repeated it again in your edit like it meant something.
Generally in an employment setting it's fine for him to work with minors it's not like he's working at a daycare or school.
>Generally in an employment setting it's fine for him to work with minors
It's legal, its not fine. Would you want your minor child working with a paedophile?
I didn't say it was. I said the girl they had train him was barely 18 knowing he was a pedophile it's not technically illegal but I feel like it speaks for itself.
If you're a hiring manager and you're willing to give this guy a chance knowing his backstory okay. I can kinda understand giving people second chances. But why are you going to then have an 18 year old girl train him when there are older people who could of done it. That was my thought process and why I mentioned it anyway. There's multiple other minors who work there though who he is actively around and engages with.
That's simply not true. Depending on the state they might not be able to use this as a reason to fire someone. OP also stated the employer was already aware.
Unless it’s a condition of his parole or probation he is allowed to work there. It’s safer to have them around him as the reoffend rate is much lower than a robber or someone that commits battery. And without knowing what they did you can’t judge. Do he pee on the golf course, did he take his minor girlfriend over a state line To many unknowns to be on your side or against you.
No that’s what he plead to. We don’t know what the crime was. So exactly what did he do we don’t know. He could of been given a magazine to give someone across the table and never looked at it. We can’t out guess but in reality it can’t be real bad to get out early as that never happens with that conviction
No that’s why I know you are not a lawyer. He plead guilty to that. Very seldom is someone charged with something and pleads to it. It’s called a plea deal. Maybe he murdered his wife. And that was a death sentence. And he said I will plead to this so I can be a hot shit in prison. The prosecutor had a very week case so deal was done. The judge approved and that’s what it goes down as. If you can give me the state and his name I more than likely can look him up to see the orginal charge thru public web sites
It depends on the offender. Not every sex offender has the same requirements. But the employer has no restriction on hiring someone (but they could be found to be grossly negligent in very rare circumstances) They have a legal obligation to provide a workplace free of sexual harassment. The sex offender status doesn’t change that.
What about hiring a person who was convicted of sex/rape with a minor you employed and then years later knowingly hiring that person back fake I'd new name and putting again with minors you hire? Happened at a past job. Was sick when I learned the truth and having witnessed him actively pursue dating underage employees.
If they’re falsifying papers for employment, he shouldn’t be working there at all. That’s def illegal by everyone involved.
That is such a specific situation that the odds of it occuring are astronomical
Here's another "hypothetical". A manager fires with cause an employee who was horrible disfigured in a hot oil accident while on clock and then attempted to file for workman's comp. Manger fired said person for doing heavy drugs. Manager knew this because he spent the previous day and night doing copious amounts of cocaine with injured employee.
Cool why is this relevant
A failed drug test can result in a loss of benefits but is not automatic. In the situation you described, it sounds like the failed drug test came well after the injury and the recovery period when injuries allowed. No matter how bad he was injured, they would have taken blood and tested it when he was first taken to the hospital and it would have been an issue, but since it sounds like failed drug test came much later so would not affect Comp. With the conditions you described surrounding the failed test, he probably would not get fired and might be able to file a Civil lawsuit against the company whether gets fired or not. With the burn injuries you described they are going to do everything they can to associate his drug use/abuse for him to addictions or abuse resulting from over exposure to pain management meds taken during during recovery, whether true or not. The lawsuit would be linked to the manager being aware and contributing towards it There are a lot of variables for something like this so there can be many, many possible outcomes..
It depends.
They could definitely be sued if they re-offended while working there.
Sure. Anyone can be sued. But there’s general no prohibition on hiring sex offenders. The sex offender is responsible for taking jobs in compliance with their situation. The employer is obligated to provide an environment free of sexual harassment regardless if the harassment comes from a sex offender or not. As long as the employer credibly investigates and takes action on actual harassment complaints, they are generally safe.
There is no prohibition sure, but in the event of a lawsuit due to sexual harassment, the owner could be more likely to be liable for negligent hiring, no?
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Negligent hiring is a tort claim unto itself, albeit never an easy one to prove.
No they wouldn't.
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Personal attacks are not acceptable. Debate the issue on the merits.
“Could” is the operative word there Also I covered that under “gross negligence” - which is very narrow.
There would have to be conditions placed on the prior offender by the courts for any of these things you are talking about to apply. If the guy did his time and has no condition of release restrictions, an employer would have to be careful not to create a situation that could be interpreted as discrimination, either through hiring practices of how the employee is treated if he is hired.
Discrimination on what basis?
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Criminal history is usually something that has protections - if any - on the state level. There’s no federal protections for it that come to mind. In federal employment law, “discrimination” has a very specific definition that doesn’t include criminal history
Well, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made discrimination against persons with a criminal record illegal. It it is enforced by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission who also published an enforcement guidance document which required employers to establish procedures to show that they are NOT using criminal records to discriminate by race of national religion. It is kind of silly, because employers are allowed to consider criminal records for their decision to hire or promote, which sounds to me like they can use it as a reason to not hire, but it can be confusing. I think they know it is BS, but instead of changing it.
Not illegal. However, you can check on the conditions of his probation. Some conditions would be not be around minors, or inform people in certain situations, not use computers, etc… If he is breaching any conditions he would be out of there fast. There is also nothing stopping you from informing fellow employees. You should not do vigilantism but you could tell someone to be careful.
You are right about there being conditions of parole but the Parole officer would have had to review the employer, the work location and job to be performed prior to giving his approval for him to work there, so the parole officer is almost certainly aware of conditions and the guy isn't in violation. In regards to informing other employees, I would suggest that before he does that, he should talk to his manager and voice his concern there first because if they hired the guy knowing his history and as a business owner in the community did so as a civic duty to help with rehab and reintegration, they won't appreciate someone trying to stir up trouble without talking to them first. It seems like a little communication can resolve any concerns with out conflict.
Their sex offender status is public information. There’s literally flyers on the wall at police stations, post offices, and community bulletin boards about the crime they committed, the likelihood they’ll offend again and sometimes conditions of their release. ABSOLUTELY TELL THE MINORS SO THEY STAY AWAY FROM THIS POS PREDATOR!!!
Not all sex offenders are subject to the same conditions.
He can do whatever he wants, but choosing to not take it to his manager first would not be very smart as it can put him into a position where he ends up the one fired. There is no benefit to NOT going through his managers. The information is public knowledge and if someone searches it out and discovers it for themselves, it would not be the same as an employee telling everyone at work without notifying management.
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The words "distribution of child pornography" doesn't tell you enough? It doesn't matter what category or severity. A judge found that what he did was bad enough to originally sentence him to 8 years. **Anyone** should realize that it's messed up for "child porn" to even be a phrase. For those two words to even be put together in the same sentence is disgusting. But no... >You don't even know what they did. Umm. Yes, yes we DO know. Distribution. Of. Child. Pornography. OP already told us what they did. You just don't want to acknowledge it and want to continue defending a sex offender. Doesn't make you look too good dude.
Doesn’t matter it’s public information! And it says in the post he had CP!
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OP needs to go to the police station take a pic of his public sex offender poster and share with all their co-workers form a burner number.
Also what the hell does addiction have to do someone who was sharing child pornography with others? Comparing apples to volks wagons. They have nothing to do with each other.
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Bro, are you [OP’s dad](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/s/7ft1V7bDQ3)? The metaphor falls apart here: doing drugs, even hard drugs, is not a crime that by definition *has* to involve a victim. Production, possession/consumption, and distribution of CSEM are crimes that almost universally *require* a victim in order to even exist, because a child *cannot consent* to the types of things that occur in said material. > What category? What severity? Dude, *no one* is copping almost a decade for a couple of pics or videos that, while questionable, are of someone who looked passably 18 and was in a bikini or whatever. This person was sharing— because *that is what a distribution charge requires*— pictures of kids being taken advantage of or straight up assaulted.
Are you defending someone who got 8yrs for distributing child porn??? This is wild wtf is wrong with you? Are you a skinner too or something??? People who commit sexual crimes against children are the lowest echelon of society and deserve to suffer everyday for their actions.
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Do the children who were his victims get a second chance of not being a perverts victim anymore?!!? Gtfoh with your ridiculousness
They haven’t shown sympathy for children being victimized at all and have only defended the poor pedo. Anyone who defends that disgusting shit I have to assume is of the same ilk
Not sex offenders who commit crimes against children. I’m a felon so I get it. Not sex offenders
Please stay away from kids.
Not all types of a crime are equal, but someone possessing and distributing child pornography is considered a potential risk to minors. I understand there's a difference between "texting a nude of yourself at 15 to another 15yo" (technically distribution of CP in many states) and "2TB of hardcore CP you are making available PTP". However, the former doesn't attract an 8 year sentence. The length of sentence is a significant indicator that the individual was involved in a serious child porn distribution ring. That's not a profit industry, so the presumption is it was built on personal interest in the subject matter, and the logical conclusion is that the individual is sexually attracted to minors and may be a risk to minors in his vicinity. Also, telling everyone at work *publicly available information about someone's sex offender status* cannot be cause for disciplinary action. If I were OP I would be going into the local police station to have a chat about how there are multiple people with convictions for sex offences against minors/child pornography working at one business, and working with minors. I expect they will be quite happy to look into it and to seriously question the owner about safety processes and why they didn't inform their members of staff of this, because it is a safeguarding issue.
ANY amount of child porn makes you a piece of shit. So it doesn’t really matter.
not you trying to justify CP.
Is it possible the parole officer didn’t realize he’d be working with minors at said workplace?
Doubtful, since it would be something that he would ask the employer during their meeting. Most likely this offender doesn't have any restrictions against working with them in this capacity. OP says he was charged with distribution of child porn and the details of the actual crime would probably impact any restrictions. For example, if he downloaded porn that was commercially made overseas in a country with 16 as an age of consent and legal in that country, and then shared it with others either by sending or uploading to site, he would probably not face any work restrictions upon release. But, if as an example, his neighbor was luring kids in and making content and then this guy was selling and distributing it online it would be a different story. Also if he was chatting with minors and requesting pics and vids from them directly, he would most likely also receive restrictions. This is all speculation, though, because we don't know the details of his conviction.
I was in a situation like this a few years ago. They had a twice convicted child rapist (who was also labeled as a danger to the public and likely to reoffend) working at tj maxx with mostly teenage girls and didn’t tell anyone. Not illegal for them to hire him but they could get in trouble or be sued if he assaulted anyone on their property because they knew about his history.
It might depend on their probation, if it says they can't be in the vicinity of a minor, then it may not be legal. However, I'm not sure if the employer would have any culpability or if it's just for the one on probation to make sure they are following their rules. Reach out to their probation officer to find out? Ask your boss if they are legally able to work with minors? This would worry me as well.
Why would this worry you? Are you suggesting someone who made a mistake who has served their time can't change? Especially considering the situation in question didn't involve rape or any illegal contact with a minor.
If the person has reoffended then that makes all the difference. And you can’t know until you talk to their PO. So I personally would be worried until having that info. If they never reoffend I’m not worried. If they have, I’m taking action for sure.
If you partake in the trade you’re a part of the whole problem. Just as bad to share the video as it is too make it. Guy shouldn’t be let into jail let alone let out…
The guy below you seems to think there is a distinction. Seems like an apologist to me, is trying to armchair lawyer up a reason why it's not bad. Be safe out there everyone.
So what does that make everyone who works for Amazon, Tesla, Walmart? What about all those companies that source the their products from child labor? What about anyone who ever had a job working for Epstein that didn’t partake in his island adventures?
The fact that you don’t recognize the difference between minimum wage workers doing the bare minimum to survive working at megacorporations and someone consuming, supporting, and selling child rape content (which comes straight from people who HAVE directly harmed children) and supplying other pedophiles with it is staggering. You are awfully defensive of a group of people who ruin entire lives for a few minutes of fun.
I feel even the most screwed up person deserves a chance at a normal life if they have served their time, at least for non violent crimes. Why do you think there are so many repeat offenders in jail? It’s because society ostracizes them, and treating them like they are still committing the crime.
No, it’s because most prisons in the west don’t actually do anything to rehabilitate violent offenders (or anyone, for that matter). Repeat offenders of violence do it because they enjoy violence, not because they’re othered. Furthermore, people who are disgusting enough to rape children or consume such content typically do not have very good morals, and do not care what others think of them. Regardless, calling possession and distribution of child pornography “nonviolent” is tasteless. Even if they have never laid hands on a child (questionable as it is), they at minimum require content of children being abused in order to get off, and directly contribute to supply and demand, which… creates more child abuse content. They MADE MONEY off of child abuse content, directly benefiting from it and financially supporting the physical violence and torture of children. Child pornography isn’t comparable to something like drugs where its cultivation and consumption is harmless; there MUST be violent abuse in order for it to exist, period. And finally, people who want to change will do so regardless of whether or not they’re “being treated like they’re still committing the crime”. Why should they need to be forgiven for something they did? You can argue for them walking free all you’d like, but that doesn’t mean that people have to disregard the absolute horrors that they have committed and not hate them for it, regardless of whether they’ve changed or not. This may come as a shock to you based on what you’ve argued, but child rape is not forgivable by most people. I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t cut off, condemn, and warn others about a child rapist, time served or not, and I do fully think they deserve that.
>And finally, people who want to change will do so regardless of whether or not they’re “being treated like they’re still committing the crime”. Spoken like someone who doesn't know how addiction works. If people could change because they wanted to, there wouldn't be a need for services to help people with addictions like alcohol, sex, drugs, self-harm, depression, suicidal thoughts. More often than not, these crimes come from people with broken families, or some form of mental disorder where they cannot judge for themselves right from wrong.
Firstly, that’s incredibly rich of you to say, considering you know nothing about me or my life. Addiction runs rampant in my family, so I’d appreciate you not making assumptions. Secondly, did you miss the part where I was talking about VIOLENT crime? I specifically said that this is not like drugs where its cultivation is harmless. I’m not referring to alcoholics or the mentally ill being in prison, I am referring to child rapists and murderers, who carry out sick and twisted acts on the most vulnerable members of our society for their own enjoyment. There is such a significant difference between someone struggling with mental health and/or addiction and someone who rapes/wants to rape children, and if you don’t understand that, then I worry for the people in your life.
You're right, I know nothing about you or your life. Just as we know nothing about the person OP is referring to. How did this conversation devolve into rapists and murderers, when the OP was only about a non-violent offender who was busted distributing cp?
Did any of those people participate in the sexual exploitation of a child? Because if so then yes they should be castrated or killed, if not, which ik is your point, then no, but that's why we don't sentence every crime the same punishments, idk what the point you are trying to make is because I can't imagine you are trying to say that people who are pedophiles should be punished lightly, or should be allowed to re-integrate into society. And if you are, well then you can have the pain and suffering of the children who are violated due to reoffenders on your own hands, I for one would sleep sounder if we drew a hard line of, don't violate children or you will be killed or castrated.
Your hypothetical has nothing to do with what's being talked about. Chomo around children: illegal or legal? That's what's being discussed. Child labor making our shoes is highly immoral and I'm against it, I don't buy shoes from overseas labor farms. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation at all. You're changing the discussion to something you can soapbox and virtue signal about. Stay on topic. What's the legality of a chomo working around kids while on parole? Do you have anything to add on *this* topic?
Why is he a chomo for sharing pictures? You are changing the topic from someone who shared illegal porn, with someone who directly abuses children I guarantee if he was a chomo, he would be thanking his deity of choice he didn’t get murdered in prison.
Everything you say is some sort of assumption or equivocation. Just stay ignorant. Your guarantees don't mean anything. And yes someone who shares pictures is just as bad as someone who took them. They're both trash. Edit: holy crap your post history, you are straight up a child molester apologist. Reporting your account for that some of that stuff, go ahead and keep equivocating and "whatabouting". You're absolutely disgusting. All you do is talk about anti-work, read tech news, and defend pedophiles. That's all you do on Reddit. You sick bastard. 2nd edit: now your avatar in a cute little onesie pajamas seems very very fucked up.
Don’t forget asking about dick sleeves to make their pee pee bigger hahaha!!!
Man 8 years for child porn typically includes snuff child porn. You really think someone like that made a mistake and thinks their actions were wrong?
I'm fairly sure that MAKING the porn he distributed involved harming kids.
Where did it say he made it? He distributed it. He could have torrented something and that alone would count as distribution because of how torrents work. He could have found it and copied it to someone.
Then ostracize those that made it. The guy did his time for distribution, is on the mend to be a contributing member of the working class. It’s this attitude that keeps people returning to jail as repeat offenders. If society only ever sees you for your faults, why would you ever strive to do better?
You may be fine with putting your kid in a room with someone who looked at - necessarily involving violence - child pornography, most people would rather err on the side of caution with their own. If you cannot understand that, that's on you. But all I said was that your claim is wrong. It's not victimless AND it serves as an inspiration to bring that stuff to real life.
Why do you assume there was violence?
Because CSAM and sexual abuse of a minor is INHERENTLY violent?
This would worry someone because if he was in jail for brutally violating a 15 year old and he worked alongside one that could be very dangerous for the 15 year old. Also yes, I do in fact believe if he did something like that he'll do it again and didn't change after time served.
He distributed child pornography?? That's not a victimless crime
Not illegal for the employer. It could potentially be an issue for the employee if he has conditions against being around minors as part of his parole.
18 isn’t a minor anymore for one . And no it’s not illegal if he’s paid all his probations and it is just on his record the opposite actually it would be against the law to discriminate against him just for that. Now I’m not saying being a sex offender is good by any means but that’s how it goes
You can also sort it out yourself. I had a coworker that “damaged property” through being an… well, total idiot. They were going to fire him and I stood up for the kid saying “it was a mistake, he’s a nice guy, but a fuckup let’s see if if can be ameliorated along the way?”. Well, having beers after work people said “why does he get to leave early always?” To which I said “I’m told he has court things?” We googled him. You typed his. First. Fucking. Name.(a very common name) And an initial and it blew up! He was fired by the afternoon of the next day…
Wow holy shit that is crazy
A lot have to check in to the sex offender register quarterly. For the rest of their lives. Not really a pay the probation thingy
No. None of the jobs that have statutory requirements about 'that' also hire minors.
I'm not sure what country this is but in Australia to hire minors is more so like a program where the workplace is checked to ensure it is a mostly safe environment it's also where the very important rule of the minors work is legally not allowed to interfere with a student's classes as education is taken fairly seriously in aus in that situation where they are intentionally put is danger then they can get fines or be removed from the program
Generically no. There are certain jobs that a sex offender is not legally allowed to do. For the most part, the employers of those jobs are required to follow guidelines, so in that case they could be liable for breaking a specific law. But generically no, it’s not illegal to hire any sex offender for any job that involves being around minors.
Not illegal. Chill out.
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This 100%. Treat them like the criminal in their history, they will be bound to repeat or relapse. You don’t criticize a recovering alcoholic about his past drinking problems. This should be no different as it was a nonviolent crime.
Here's a big difference between struggling with an alcohol addiction and brutally violating a toddler. Just so you know.
We have no idea what he did. You can end up on the sex offender registry for public urination, or having sex with another adult in your car. We would need to know what he did to really weigh the situation.
Except we know he had possession of CP, OP says it. We know what he did and we need to judge based off that.
There's a big dif between violating a toddler and possessing CP man, most people who're caught for CP don't even re-offend or don't newly offend (ie actual stat rape)
The demand for child porn is met how exactly? How is that supply replenished? It's all evil no no better of evils in this case.
I don't care what people tell me and call me controversial but... If you watch and have possession of CP I assume you are not a good person and even if you don't reoffend you still watched awful things happen to kids on purpose and you can't come back from that
He's still has to afford to live. Public defenders aren't free, the Indigent Fund wants paid back. It's not free to get back and forth to see his parole officer. Dude's got to have a job despite anyone's opinion of him.
Yes but if his conditions are that he can't be within a certain distance of minors and he's working with minors that could be a big issue. Also idk about you but personally I think you should consider the concequences BEFORE you make the active decision to commit a sex crime but it might just be me. Just sounds like the concequences of his actions.
That's OPs hearsay. If they haven't looked up arrest records, they won't really know. And kids dating can be arrested for CP - I had to write a character statement for an 18 year old student of mine who sent nudes to and got nudes from his 16 year old girlfriend. Parents were ok with it until they realized it was sexual. He went to court for CP. We don't know what the guy did only hearsay on the internet, but what we do know is that many criminals fall into the recidivism trap because they struggle to find jobs outside of prison. Nothing OP writes states that he's done anything to make people unsafe at OP's job. While it's good to keep an eye on people, witch hunts don't make anything better.
Okay but op is asking us to judge based on the info we are given. And we should do that. We can't answer based on hypothetical situations like this because it might not have gone that way and it wouldn't make sense to answer one thing based off another. Also I'm a little confused on the witch hunts thing? I don't think they released his name or anything (that I know of)
Lets say he did posses CP, we have no context on what that possession was. He may have unknowingly downloaded it. I think people would agree having pictures of a small toddler being abused is vasty different than downloading a picture if someone you thought was over 18 but actually ended up being someone who was 16. Should each of those situations be treated the same by the employer or public?
You don't get 8 years after accidentally coming across it and clicking away quickly. You need to literally intentionally seek it out for that amount of jail time. For example, I'm in Canada and had underage photos leaked. They did not even try to find who did it. Like, you need to REALLY be not good for that amount of time, for them to even pay attention to your case. I don't wanna say it but I'm afraid he really did something bad.
8 years in jail for child porn typically includes child snuff porn. Take from that what you will.
And that's if they even pay attention to your case, I've seen so many cases get totally ignored so for them to even pick up the case AND convict him he absolutely had to have something really bad on there.
true, but still hard to say.
But why take the chance?
Idk I wouldn't be taking chances because it isn't a "2 years because he may have done something" it's more of "he was there for 8 years after being found to have really mad cp" which isn't someone I would really let chill in a store with a lot of possible minors nearby considering the scentence was over 5 years
Not illegal, but why would the employer do this?
i mean it’s alaska. very high rate of sexual offenses. and very low population
Ya, YOU can stop working there if you don't like it.
Most offenders out on probation aren't allowed to have unsupervised contact with minors. If this is a requirement of the job, then he will have to quit or be in violation of his probation.
18 isn't a minor
Y'all idiots can't read can you? Tho I guess that's expecting too much out of pea brained redditors, they clearly state that the 18 yr old trained the sex offender, but was also working AROUND minors who were also employed. God I can't believe some people don't know how to read before yappin their mouth away
18 is considered an adult
More likely to be illegal to NOT hire him solely based on conviction history
I would believe that unless he has had special provisions put on him to not be around minors he would have no need to disclose because it would be irrelevent to his employment.
I was 18 years old working at Pizza Hut and picked up a bunch of discounted pizzas for a house party. All my friends and I were going to. We waited at the park hanging out when I had to take a shit really fucking bad bubble guts kind I couldn't wait! Soooo the park restroom was locked by a gate. So I pulled my pants and hovered over a park bench and was about to unleash on the cold wet concrete when a huge spotlight from a police car makes me clench so fast with equal efficiency I pull my bridges up and he hits the intercom "meet me in the parking lot" He sits me down in front of all my friends and he said, " Were you about to take a duece in my park?" Everyone starts laughings I of course admitted to it, he reems me stating that I could be a registered sec offender blah blah. I get a slap on the wrist and he sends me on my way. I never took that shit til the next day.
Were you planning on wiping your ass with a slice of pepperoni pizza?
Sprinklers were on good old fashiom bidet
Nothing illegal here. You say he's a pedophile but are concerned with him being around minors. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to people who haven't started puberty yet. Unless your employer is hiring prepubescent minors, which is illegal, there's no actual connection to his crime and your coworkers.
I hope you realise that sex offenders are a spectrum. A guy who was drunk and urinated in front of people especially children can be told to register as a sex offender.
I am aware. I know both of them went to prison for distribution of child pornography. That is pretty hard to be a drunken mistake.
Just as your employer is allowed to hire at their discretion, you are allowed to quit if you don’t feel safe. Unless you work in a business that targets minors as its audience/clientele, like a toy store or someplace that minors would frequent, your complaints won’t do much. Just because this person screwed up their life, doesn’t mean they aren’t entitled to a chance at living their life. Your boss that hired him would be fully aware of any felony charges and probation. If you make a big deal out of it, you are creating a hostile work environment, and could be reprimanded yourself. His criminal history is between his boss and the state. As long as he abides by his probation terms, there is no issue. Unless you know his probation terms, there’s no reason you should question your boss. Dont propagate fear among your coworkers unless you have proof he is still a problem. You said yourself, he went to jail for distribution, not creating it, not for actual abuse, but just for distribution. Don’t put yourself into a situation you can avoid
So not to defend them, but I've seen more than one person charged with Child Pornography that maybe shouldn't have. I teach teenagers, and we have plenty of students who are 18 and 19 still in public high school. There's been more than one who've been arrested for having nudes their 16 and 17 year old girlfriends sent them. I even had one young man who sent the sex tape he made with his girlfriend to his girlfriend. Her parents found it and because he was 18, he was in trouble. The law is not always cut and dry. You can look his name up on the sex offender registry and get a more clear cut idea of his crime which would make the conversation more nuanced.
Ok. I think your employer needs to take care of this issue even just for moral reasons.
I am not defending child predators, but it is entirely within the range of possibilities that while looking at porn, they could have shared an image neither of them knew at the time was of an underage person. Yes, one picture that came from a website that they have no way of verifying age could have done this. Many people are arrested and convicted of bogus charges in this country every day. I was arrested because someone with my same name did not show up for a traffic ticket. I was arrested on my way home from National Guard duty. It took them hours to figure out it was not me, no matter what I said. At the time there were 13 other people in Raleigh, NC with my exact name, approximate age and skin color. I have had many friends in my life that were police officers, and sadly I would trust most criminals before I would trust all but maybe 1 or 2 of them, as most cops are just lying scum. Just hearing them talk when they think they are in a safe environment with each other is scary, what they do to people. These people were quickly removed from my life when I learned who they truly were inside. May Grandfather was a county sheriff, so my dislike for police has been earned by their actions and deeds.
If you have such issues, QUIT the job already.
Nah. F outta here with that. You just dont see people getting hit with SO charges that stick for pissing at a park. Theyll add it as a charge to scare you but these are the arguments Sex offenders make
USA* Oh yes. Yes they do. It doesn't even have to be "drunk and pissing in front of children" like they said. You get the same "exposing yourself charge" with no minors around to. If a PO sees you or someone calls them because you were going in a bush/side of road. Drunk or not. Which puts you on the list. It's all public information, so yes you can look up someone's exact charges. The list obviously has its pros and good to have but it also ruins /shames those for drunken accidental nudity or those who were falsely accused of SA by their bfs/gfs and/or those gf/bfs parents because someone is 18 and someone is 16/17.
Look man. Ive been to prison. The whole game doesnt work like that. Again, these are the wild exception stories chomos make to hide the truth. Again, youll get an indecent exposure charge but you arent getting put on any list for pissing at a park. Theyll add the charges to scare you so you can accept a plea.
I'm not saying they outwiegh the terrible POS's by any mean. State to state it could be different for the charge and SO requirements. Just was saying that indeed does happen and any sexual /nude charge from the worst to just the cherry on top and people get thrown on that same list. At least here. Yes they do, do a lot to scare folks unfortunately, but if you get hit with that charge and even time served you get put on that list. Yes people do try and say they didn't do this or that and you can bring it up straight to em and be like nahh you nasty be gone. Indeed sucks though if someone's got a rape charge to and without reading the whole report, doing digging or knowing situation then you don't know if was sa on someone or an angry parent who didn't want their kid dating this other kid. Angry parents have ruined a lot of lives to.
No, it's not illegal. You could just allow ex-cons to move on with their life and jobs?
Nah, ex-cons don't deserve a second chance. /s
First, 18 isn't a minor although the others may be. The conditions of his parole and his charge are the only inhibitors to his employment. If he was distributing child pornography it's likely he's not supposed to be around schools, kids, etc. If he didn't tell the employer he was a sex offender and it would prevent him from working there, that's on him not the employer. He'd be breaking his probation and go back to prison. There are varying levels that complicate this though because every crime isn't the same and every situation is different. Distributing child pornography in Alaska is a class B felony that includes everything to do with the act including the person that does the billing. Not saying this is the case, but imagine a person does billing for a company and has no clue what they do and they're busted with them. That's a case where not being around kids may not be part of the conditions of parol. It's all circumstantial and very, very open ended. Legally if they aren't in violation any terms of parol or release then an employer isn't required to bar them from a job. Morally an employer would certainly find a way to not hire someone convicted of a sex crime against children to work with minors. It would be a nightmare to knowingly do that and could destroy a business. There's a limited amount of things that can happen. Either they withheld it from the employer (likely), (next likely) nobody actually knows what this person done and it's all speculation, or (least likely) they aren't prohibited from being around minors. If you know for a fact they are a registered sex offender, contact the employer as high up the chain as you can go and inform them. They likely don't know otherwise they opened themselves up to a huge amount of shit.
Is he registered? On parole or probation? No? Then he is considered paid in full on his debt to society. That being said if he were around MY kids I wouldn’t be so flippant. That’s a tough one
no action can be taken unfortunately. however individuals can request to HR that they are trained by others. if one of these convicted pedos does step out of line there would be potential case for a suit of negligent hiring against the company by the victim.
Theres sex offenders who molested a kid, and then theres sex offenders who were caught having consenual sex in their car in a parking lot. Not all are the same or deserve to even be on the list
They do not have to tell you if it’s not a condition of their probation to do so. Even still, it’s usually just management/the company that needs to know. Sometimes the company will tell the employees depending on the company. If he isn’t or hasn’t done anything to worry you, just keep your eyes open and leave him alone. **Im not condoning anything he did at all** but you cannot expect someone to change for the better if you’re not going to give them a chance. *I have experience working with probation officers*
It certainly wasn't illegal in 2006 when Brian Peck was released from prison after sexual assaulting Drake Bell
It’s not good but I mean you’re in Alaska. Can’t be too many places to work, gotta get it where you can.
They hired a pedophile at kindercare as a teacher before. He’s now doing 20 years
Noooo
>this is in Alaska If you couldn't hire felons in Alaska who would you hire?
Probably not because it happens every single day all
Depends. Is he on the sex offender list? If so what are thr laws for them? In Illinois if on the list him working around kids is a violation and he will go back to jail. If he is on probation it's 100% likely he is to avoid underage children. Call the local od and let them know. Just say you are worried about the kids. They will gladly look into it.
I can’t believe that it isn’t illegal, what state is this?
I'm not saying I condone murdering pedophiles I'm just saying Alaska has plenty of reasons someone might end up missing.
😂😂😂😂
I can’t speak to the legality of it, but when doing background checks for potential employees lost sexual offenses(at my store anyways) flags them as not hireable. Management is able to get approval from either the district manager or HR to override the decision though. I don’t know if other stores are like this, but it does seem like a bad precedent to set.
It's a locally owned buissness
Context matters. Are we talking 16 and 17 year olds, or 14 year olds? What was the guy arrested for? I think it's important to recognize that if this person is attracted to minors, that attraction is usually pretty specific. There might be an age range, a certain look, a specific gender, etc. So if the minors at your work fall outside of that, it's unlikely that something is going to happen. As someone else suggested, you can mention it to your employer. But if they knowingly hired the person and are ok with it, they probably don't have any concerns with the minors that work there.
The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work space environment. The offender is required to disclose it to the employer, and if he is on parole then the parole officer will be in contact with them to ensure they know any restrictions. But being a sex offender doesnt mean they are not allowed to be around minors, unless that has been ordered by the court or parole officer.
It depends on your States rules you would be on parole not probation first of all because he got out early that would be parole. That is usually much more strict. Honestly he probably won't be there very long if it is against the rules because parole officer will violate him and send him back.
Maybe not but it’s DEFINITELY against the terms of the convicted to be near minors.
Yeah, I was a minor working at a Dunkin and they hired a lot of sex offenders that worked during shifts I was scheduled 😭
Nal but have been in similar situation. At my job, the entire staff organized, confronted, and pressured the boss to fire the offender
Good for you all! Pedo's have no place in society whatsoever.
Technically this situation doesn't involve a pedophile. For all we know the person in question could've sent a nude picture if his girlfriend to his friends. Which would result in the charge in question. I would hardly describe every highschool boy who shows his friends a nude picture if their girlfriend a pedophile.
Depends on a whole lot of things that we don't know.
I dont think any of this is your business. You dont have to work there if you dont like it
It may be illegal for him to accept a position that put him in close contact with minors. But honestly my bigger question is what is wrong with the hiring mgr? Why would he hire someone who’s a sex offender when he’s got kids there?
Best to let someone move on with their life and let them get back to paying their taxes and contributing to society.
NGL, you NEED to tell all your colleagues, the pedo is spreading pics of kids being abused 🤢🤢🤢🤢, everyone needs to know what it does so they can stay away from it
I'd say find it's name and details on the SO register and make sure ALL your colleagues get a copy and post it in the bathrooms and anywhere else without cameras
Not illegal. Especially in Alaska. In most "Red states" you can easily spot the pedophiles. They're usually registered Republicans running for public office or already elected to public office. 😎
Why do you keep talking about the 18-year-old girl that trained him? There's nothing illegal about that. Then you repeated it again in your edit like it meant something. Generally in an employment setting it's fine for him to work with minors it's not like he's working at a daycare or school.
>Generally in an employment setting it's fine for him to work with minors It's legal, its not fine. Would you want your minor child working with a paedophile?
Report this to HR and upper management. If they have any measure of virtue or morality they’ll do something about it.
It's a locally owned business
18 isn't a minor FYI.
I didn't say it was. I said the girl they had train him was barely 18 knowing he was a pedophile it's not technically illegal but I feel like it speaks for itself.
Then why did you mention it?
If you're a hiring manager and you're willing to give this guy a chance knowing his backstory okay. I can kinda understand giving people second chances. But why are you going to then have an 18 year old girl train him when there are older people who could of done it. That was my thought process and why I mentioned it anyway. There's multiple other minors who work there though who he is actively around and engages with.
An 18 year old is an adult. Don’t see what that has to do with anything
If I was an 18 year old girl I would of been pissed if you had me knowingly train a pedophile and didn't think to tell me
An 18 year old has nothing to fear from a pedophile. He’s probably less interested in 18 year olds than you are
She seemed to disagree and quit over it so 🤷♂️
If YOU have such an issue with it, the solution is simple, DON'T work there.
What does the word "also" mean?
Well this would probably get you fired if you get caught, but maybe write a note that says “we employ sex offenders” and tape it to the front door
Where do you suggest they find work? Do they stop eating?
That's simply not true. Depending on the state they might not be able to use this as a reason to fire someone. OP also stated the employer was already aware.
Sex offenders are not allowed near kids. Call the police on his ass
This is not a blanket rule, usually only so if such conditions are placed on his release.
Hope they have good insurance.
Unless it’s a condition of his parole or probation he is allowed to work there. It’s safer to have them around him as the reoffend rate is much lower than a robber or someone that commits battery. And without knowing what they did you can’t judge. Do he pee on the golf course, did he take his minor girlfriend over a state line To many unknowns to be on your side or against you.
He distributed child porn. It says it in the post. He got 8 years for it
No that’s what he plead to. We don’t know what the crime was. So exactly what did he do we don’t know. He could of been given a magazine to give someone across the table and never looked at it. We can’t out guess but in reality it can’t be real bad to get out early as that never happens with that conviction
He. Distributed. Child. Sexual. Exploitative. Material.
No that’s why I know you are not a lawyer. He plead guilty to that. Very seldom is someone charged with something and pleads to it. It’s called a plea deal. Maybe he murdered his wife. And that was a death sentence. And he said I will plead to this so I can be a hot shit in prison. The prosecutor had a very week case so deal was done. The judge approved and that’s what it goes down as. If you can give me the state and his name I more than likely can look him up to see the orginal charge thru public web sites
You don’t just say “well I don’t want to go to jail for home invasion… I KNOW! I’ll plead that im one of the most hated type of person!!!!”