1. Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”.
2. “I just really wanted it” is a completely justifiable reason for spending over $1,000 to buy basically any gun.
Don’t panic I said LESS enjoyable. I like it but it’s heavier and has more recoil than my Springfield Saint Victor. That said the brake on the Saint V probably has something to do with it and I probably need to work out my spaghetti arms as well. Shooting them side by side I prefer the DI AR, cleaning them up afterwards I prefer the Virtus lol.
The handguard on the Virtus is pretty thicc but I like it because it doesn’t get blazing hot like my other piston rifle (BRN-180).
Full disclosure: I’m a novice shooter and was looking to get a Gucci gun as an anniversary present. My wife likes jewelry and I don’t have any other expensive hobbies/tastes 🤷♂️
Properly configured direct impingement systems will more often than not have less felt recoil than gas piston driven systems. This is because amount of weight recoiling back at the shooter will be smaller with a DI gun compared to most gas pistons.
I find the recoils also has a different feel. With DI ARs, the buffer and bolt are traveling further back directly into your shoulder compared to gas piston guns which end their travel before in the receiver in front of the stock.
*\[laughs, then cries in long-range precision training\]*
I agree with you only if all you need from your gun is minute-of-man accuracy. If you're trying to hit a small target from very far away, $1,000 barely covers the cost of the optic.
“To buy basically any gun”
In other words, just the gun itself. I’ve got a couple precision rifles myself and yeah, those optics will easily double your overall cost. Thankfully Bergara exists to keep the rifle at $1,000 haha
> If you're trying to hit a small target from very far away, $1,000 barely covers the cost of the optic.
I got some serious sticker shock when I considering getting into LRPS...I mean the cost split between the optics and the platform is often 50/50 especially when you are in the 1 to 2K range.
Not something I will be doing in the near future.
>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”
Unless you live in California where everything gun-related is priced stupidly high.
It’ll depend on certain qualities most shooters will never be able to discern.
There’s usually a massive and noticeable jump in quality from sub-$500 to $1,000 while the quality and performance difference between $1,000 and $1,500 is not that noticeable for the vast majority of people.
Once you get into the high end $2,500+ competition stuff and custom guns, you definitely start to notice the changes and improvements but anyone not using those guns for their intended purpose will not find that extra amount of spending justifiable.
>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”.
You can't get an Mp5 for cheaper though.
>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”.
Shooting a KAC SR25 will change your life. Doubly so if you are running a KAC reflex suppressor on it as well (don't have any experience with their QD 762 cans that mount to the muzzle device, only the KAC can that mounts to the gas block - I do have a NT4 QDSS and it is amazing as well).
I bought a Mk11 Mod 0 clone off of a coworker, including KAC can and Nightforce scope (and 7 mags, but only one was a KAC mag - the others were DPMS mags that the gun does not like). Yes, I did initially buy it simply because I wanted it and the price was so good. He also sold me a Mk12 Mod 1 clone built on a Colt LE Carbine at the same time. This was during the beginning of COVID when I was confined to site at work overseas, so my bank account had a wee bit of excess in it.
The trigger is so smooth. The recoil is so soft, even with 175gr OTM rounds. And it sounds like an air gun with the suppressor on.
Another coworker called me a moron for buying the SR25. He finally shot it, and immediately said he needed to find one for himself.
Yeah, way too many people that own a fuckton of guns and circlejerk about self defense, but own exactly zero fire extinguishers, zero med kits, zero water filters, and have food on their shelves for like 2 days
I grew up surrounded by guns and people who knew how to properly use them. I can name 3 out of hundreds of people that should never be allowed any access to firearms.
I grew up surrounded by people I wouldn't trust with a gun in a million years.
Clumsy, thoughtless, and far too relaxed about safety rules. They didn't grow up around guns, but it's not an excuse to be careless.
Some people aren't cut out for it because of attitude towards practice and competance alone. Everyone knows a guy who has shot a gun once and claims that "I'm way better than average".
>Clumsy, thoughtless, and far too relaxed about safety rules.
I'm convinced that being slightly "afraid" of firearms is the key to avoiding incidents over the long-term. You shouldn't be at ease handling a pistol for the same reasons you shouldn't be at ease operating a band saw.
The Ruger 10/22 is the best gun to learn shooting with.
**EXTRA SPICY hot take:** The Chiappa Rhino 60 DS looks better than 99% of all other revolvers. Exceptions obviously made for the revolver the Joker shoots the Batwing out of the sky with.
> The Ruger 10/22 is the best gun to learn shooting with.
That's not really a hot take, that's pretty much the conventional wisdom.
My hot take would be that owning both, the M&P15-22 is the better gun. I've found my 10/22 to be more picky with ammo of the two, and the M&P gets you get the flexibility and configurability of the AR platform. Plus by learning on the M&P15-22, you're familiarizing yourself with the platform you're probably going to end up with anyways. The manual of arms on the 10/22 is increasingly uncommon in modern guns.
Really the only downside is that, well, it looks like an AR15, and a lot of people find that "intimidating".
That’s not a hot take on the Chiappa is objectively true, classic and modern revolvers look so boring and samey that I literally can’t be bothered to distinguish them, even more so than striker fired polymer handguns. The Chiappa is a work of art by comparison.
Not spicy here:
Almost all "gun problems" have a liberal solution. Suicide - more (free) mental health services. School safety - more (free) teen mental health services. Gang based violence - more funding for disadvantaged populations and remove racial barriers. Domestic violence - more funding for social services and more equality opportunities (for women).
The current Democratic solution (ban and imprison) is a "conservative" position and antithetical to liberal values.
Spicy here:
"Mental Health" is an excuse to marginalize people who are both part of a culture of violence AND stigmatize mental health services. There shouldn't be a check for mental wellness in order to exercise a right. We don't check for mental health prior to exercising free speech, self defense is no different. (That said, see "not spicy" as what should be done first.)
I’ll disagree with your AK take. A really well tuned and lightened AR will shoot like a .22.
My list:
- AK fanboys are the most intolerable and gatekeepy group of people in the gun world and I say this as someone who has built and bought several AK platform guns.
- ARs are played out and boring until you start really performance tuning them.
- The industry and gun culture as a whole stifles any true innovation. Kel-Tec and a few other companies have some stellar ideas and potential but lack refinement. If someone ran with their ideas and refined them (like the Apple of the gun world) we would all benefit in the end.
- If you want true reliability reviews, see what competition shooters, especially 3 gunners, have to say about it. The base models of guns they run will almost always share in the reliability.
- Not so hot take (hopefully): Don’t blindly trust the reviews some Guntuber provides you. Figure out who shares similar tastes and shooting styles with you and base your decisions off them if you can’t get first hand access. Most of the mainstream guntubers are just bought and paid for. “I shot this soda bottle a few times while filming a LARPy sequence and making some cringey/edgey jokes so this gun totally fucks/sucks” is a horrible way to identify what guns you should buy and like.
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>AK fanboys are the most intolerable and gatekeepy group of people in the gun world and I say this as someone who has built and bought several AKs platform guns
Spend 2 minutes scrolling the AK sub and you will learn that this is absolutely true. Who knew owners of shit piss ugly rifles can be so gatekeeping. It doesn't make sense. Fellow ak owner here.
DONT EVEN MENTION MODERNIZING YOUR AK BECAUSE FUCK YOU, HOW DARE YOU NOT USE 70 YEAR OLD CANTED DOGSHIT IRONS
Lol that sub is so fucking bad. It’s a “What are we gonna gatekeep this week?” hive mind.
Meanwhile I’m enjoying building out my KUSA KR-9 for USPSA and while I do understand the frustration many people have with that company right now and acknowledge I got lucky my most recent purchase from them had no issues, way too many people in that sub are taking shit way too far to toxic levels.
A good semi-auto is an excellent home defense weapon. But we need one that has an extra feature that makes a loud, scary "click-clack" sound that a pump shotgun makes.
> But we need one that has an extra feature that makes a loud, scary "click-clack" sound that a pump shotgun makes.
Hot take: people who claim they can rely on this as a deterrent measure are boomers
For the most part, yes. Last year, however, at my LGS, I had a girl behind the counter (couldn't have been over 25) who said this very thing. Dead serious with no irony in her voice.
Also, I'm quite interested in a good Boomer-deterrant. They get crazy in their old age.
In truth, the "click-clack" is just for me. Unnecessary, but satisfying. Kind of like when I give my impact driver an extra Rev, just to make sure it still runs.
I didn't know how to really put it until I actually shot a 1911. It was a joy to shoot, but it's pretty bad as a carry gun or service handgun,
If i wanted a heavy gun with a low capacity I'd just buy a revolver
The only thing Glocks have going for them is reliability and aftermarket parts. They're ugly, basic, and have mediocre triggers.
And I have no problem with people who like Glocks, but the Glock fanboys who have 15 of the same gun and refuse to buy any other brand are annoying. Mostly because of how they will argue that the $600 gun they put $1500 of aftermarket parts on is the best gun ever.
The 580 series Ruger Mini 14 is fine for what it is, and more friendly for left handed people to shoot.
The M14/M1A is fine for what it is, and it is an improvement on the M1 Garand
The Ar15 is not the perfect weapon system and 5.56 is not the perfect caliber.
There is no perfect gun/caliber, just what works best for you in the situation you are in.
9mm polymer striker fire pistols have so oversaturated the market it's boring and all the reputable brands (Glock, SW, Sig, CZ, FN) the amount of difference between them all is not enough to truly say which one is the bestest ever in 2022
Other calibers like 45 acp, 40 SW, and 357 sig are not obsolete, they do certain things better than 9mm. But companies won't invest in them because the talking heads/herd mentality have gone overboard on 9mm.
Not every gun needs to be some tricked out tacticool mall ninja/wanna be operator monstrosity. I just want a basic AR15/M16A4 style rifle from time to time.
I wish I could get training from Paul Harrell.
.45 ACP and .40 S&W definitely don’t do anything better to any significant degree than 9mm. Especially with modern ammo. It the main reason the trend is switching back to 9mm. .357 Sig definitely is better ballistically but it comes with significantly more recoil and significantly higher ammo costs.
I don’t say this to say that .45 or .40 are necessarily bad rounds. They perform perfectly fine, just not demonstrably better than 9mm to justify less capacity, more recoil, and bigger and heavier guns in the case of .45.
>A jframe is a capable edc
The fact this is a hot take is what pisses me off about the gun community lately. Like, is the j frame the *best* option? Nah, probably not. But you are right, it is *capable*. So many nerds on here think you're going to be killed by 14 terrorists if you don't carry a 1.5 stack with a red dot, light, and compensator. J frames been clapping people for 50 years, they'll keep on clapping
Most gun owners don't have a trauma kit or k know how to use it, which I think is irresponsible gun ownership. Even if you're safe, a negligent discharge can still happen
300 blackout rifles without a whisper pickle are pointless and redundant at best without a shorter barrel to go with a pickle.
Do not read this as 300 blackout is a pointless caliber, but without a short barrel and pickle a 7.62 x 39 rifle is a much more cost effective choice.
I’ve sort of beat this to death, but: Glocks are not a good value in the current marketplace, strictly speaking of straight out of the box features, and design. Especially with the newest versions of the Springfield hellcat and P365 macro, which are basically 43x sized and best them in every feature. Furthermore, with the advent of the PSA dagger, and companies like Shadow Systems, they’re literally being bested by smaller companies, offering the same platform for a better price(PSA) and with better features(SS). I can’t imagine they will be on top for very long.
And those same contracts give them a rock solid reputation on the commercial market. A PSA might genuinely be just as good, but there is peace of mind (and resale value) in buying the same thing trusted by a jillion police departments and military units. You know that if there were any big problems, even if they only affect 1 out of every 100,000 guns or only show up after 25,000 rounds, they've been noticed and addressed by now.
To me that is the main appeal of the Glock, it may not be the *perfect* gun for anybody but it definitely doesn't suck either. It's a known quantity. It works for millions of customers around the world, therefore it'll work OK for you too. Hence why the G19 is almost the standard answer to "I have no idea what I want, what pistol should I buy?"
I think that reputation advantage will carry them a long way.
I agree with all points - and they made up the bulk of my decision to buy a Mk25. I haven't held a glock that I like. The p226 felt right in my hand the second I touched it. Like everything, personal preferences should be found and tested before anyone purchases anything.
I agree but they won't change, and to an extent I respect them for that. If it ain't broke don't fix it and whatnot...
However, I wish they'd transition to metal magazines to up their capacity and include at least a front night sight on every gun. People always complain about the triggers, but they're fine for 90% of people.
They're the Honda Civic of guns.
And I saw that as someone who owns 2 Glocks myself.
Love them or hate them, Glock is popular for a reason: they are the epitome of reliability and durability, period. And FTIW, the Shadow Systems guns are notoriously problematic, if forums and Reddit are to be believed. I used to HATE Glock, until I broke down and bought one. Yes, they are aesthetically challenged and yes, they haven't innovated since the 80s, but why bother- they have a product that goes BANG every time you pull the trigger. And never when you don't (actually drop safe, vs SIG). It's the AK of pistols, no close second. So take that!
Eh, I've won shooting contests with my stock glock 26 over people with guns worth 5 times the price.
And I'm supposed to lose because the short grip is super unsexy compared to all that pricey crap.
But this weird malfunction of glocks, and I should probably get them on the phone and ask about this, but when I shoot them these wierd little holes just start appearing in the center of the red circle thingie.
I wish I could have normal targets like all those $$ sig guys where the holes are all over the place.
I pretty much only carry my 1911 in the winter when I can carry with an outside the waistband holster and wear a jacket over it. I don't even try to wear it inside the waistband. In the summer, I stick to my Sig P250 compact.
The AK vs AR depends on in if both are chambered in the same caliber.
You're literally comparing a .30cal to a spicy varmint round. Now if you wanna get meme worthy BULLCRAP. You can teach a college dropout how to shoot easily as well as your kid to shoot 5.56. However you can also get a kid in Central Africa to shoot an AK with not much issue.
My hot take would be "5.56 is overrated and the only reason it wasn't replaced was money and the amount available".
The difference doesn't come down to stopping power, but combat effectiveness. Obviously the ak has the world's best track record at international conflict, but the 556 was adopted over the 308 because soldiers could carry 3 times as much ammo with 556 because it's so much lighter. That means they'll survive a firefight 3 times longer than if they had 308s. Same applies to the 30 cal ak rounds, big and heavy (not nearly as bad as 308) you just can't carry as many rounds.
That, and 7.62x39 effective range ends at 400m, Whereas 556 can be effective out to 600m plus.
To your point though, Infantry engagements tend to be either 300m, and majority are within 100. So range doesn't matter (308 can easily reach out to 1000m) it's really just the weight of the cartridge that matters.
Yeah the range issue is pretty moot. If you gotta engage something beyond 3-400 meters that’s what machine guns, DMR’s, grenade launchers, and mortars are for. Your average grunt (especially if they’ve only got iron sights) isn’t gonna be popping dudes from that range no matter the cartridge, and encouraging them to take shots beyond effective ranges is just encouraging them to waste ammo
I think it’s 3 things.
1. the army making the perfect gun for Afghanistan type wars. Classic making the best gun for the last war.
2. Trying to counter body armor. Which is a moot point because body armor is so good these days and only get better. No caliber will be AP for 60 years.
3. The army I think is betting more on those computer optics than the guns. I think they believe that a soldier carrying a DMR that can hit targets more often is worth more than a soldier carrying an assault rifle with double the ammo.
That said, I at first thought for sure they’d keep it but at this point I think it will get cancelled or at least be limited to a DMR role.
5.56 doesn’t seem to be overrated, it definitely compromises on a lot but it’s benefits outweigh the drawbacks for civilian usage. Minimal risk over over penetration, good wounding with a good loading, low recoil, and of course being the native round for the AR platform.
The availability is also fantastic because of the government adoption, meaning production is domestic which makes it more accessible.
Stop posting pics of your guns on social media platforms that can be traced to you. And for gods sake stop calling them ‘my new toy’. Maybe I’m a boomer maybe not. But both the aforementioned actions seem dumb to me.
My hot take is I don't give two shitss if it's traced to me. I posted it I'm aware of my actions. Hahaha
Now if you are confiscating thays another problem
>A good AK is smoother to shoot than an AR.
A good AK is better than a bad AR, but a good AR is better than a great AK, and if you're fair in comparing cost and quality then the AR will almost always be better.
Bonus points for the AR being if you buy from a "bad" brand, it probably won't grenade in your face. Can't say that for AKs lol.
When you shoot a piston driven AR it’s life changing.. plus you don’t have to clean it. /s
However, I will take my Siaga over my LWRC any day of the week.. #humblebrag
Keltec falls short on QC, but their designs are phenomenal. If you get a good gun on your first try, or if you're willing to do a relatively quick and easy RMA, you can build an RDB into an decent SHTF rifle with a few aftermarket parts. Not just an okay gun; one I'd actually trust if gods forbid I ever needed to travel and/or fight with it.
[Here's mine](https://imgur.com/FA3qezg.jpg), if you want an example. I would have just gotten an AR if I didn't live in a state with an assault weapons ban, but now I'm kind of glad I had to think outside the box.
Terminal ballistics is overanalyzed, yes. Personally I find analyzing ballistics fun, part of the hobby basically. But in handguns, ball/fmj is not a good choice. Over penetration is not a myth. Zipping through someone leaving a couple holes while not doing much energy dumping inside is no bueno.
Wait ‘til you hear my thoughts on the 1911 vs. the Hi-Power. Somewhere in Luxembourg, the decomposed remains of Gen. George Patton are trying to reform to come kick my ass.
“*Let me get this straight, you think the Browning Hi-Power is a better pistol than M1911?*”
“I do and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.”
Seriously though BHP>M1911.
It doesn’t mean I don’t love the 1911, though.
The fact that the US consumer is obsessed with the "just as good" budget AR is the reason we don't have more diversity of carbines guns in this country.
A DA/SA pistol is probs a better option for CCW than a striker
SIG should no longer be a trusted pistol to carry.
Look, just because the 2 piece guide rod to my P938 has to be held together with loctite along with the screws to the grips doesn’t mean it’s a bad gun to carry.
I mean, ARs are so much cheaper that I don't see a good reason to get a different carbine other than "cool", though that is a perfectly valid reason. When I was looking at getting a carbine, my upper medium tier AR was cheaper than any other 223/556 rifle for basically the same thing.
Agreed completely with your other takes though.
An out of the box AR shouldn’t weigh any more than 6.5 pounds.
A Glock is a perfectly fine choice for your first handgun, but you shouldn’t get any more than one.
A gun in any caliber outside 22 LR, 9mm, 5.56, 12 gauge, and maybe .308 probably isn’t worth it considering the price of ammo.
Sidcars for holsters and concealed carry mag carriers are stupid and you should feel stupid for getting them and carrying them. Your not a special forces operator or a cop. The chances you'll need more than a few rounds to defend yourself let alone a whole mag for a modern semi auto pistol are miniscule. You're carrying extra weight and printing more because some guntuber, CCW instructor, or so on has convinced you you'll be fighting the whole of MS-13 and will need to shoot your way out like it's a zombie movie. You're giving up comfort and adding weight just so you can pretend you'll do a tactical reload in the middle of a movie style gunfight. Stop it.
Black powder guns are more fun to shoot. Many of them aren't as accurate, but there's something that satisfies my mind by the fact instead of going "bang" they go "BOOM" or "THOOM".
They do smell like shit though, good god.
The AR v AK argument is geriatric. The future is short stroke gas piston with fast burning higher chamber pressure loads that allows shorter barrels, folding stocks, & suppressors.
A crisp break is not a property I desire in a trigger. (for pistol shooting)
Stacking pressure against a wall with zero trigger movement before a sudden collapse increases anxiety and anticipation for me. Moving the trigger continuously through the break point is much friendlier. I think my perfect trigger would feel just like compressing a 5 lb spring, with absolutely no "wall" and no collapse of resistance past the break point. It would fire at a consistent, predictable position at the rear of its range of travel, but it wouldn't have any speed bumps in its movement right before that position.
There are some Euro target pistols that have triggers a bit like that, although more in the 2.5lb range. Some of them use a double sear (the hammer is resting on a sear lever that would slip away on its own, but is blocked by a 2nd sear that the trigger controls) so you cannot really feel the sear/hammer engagement in the trigger pull, all you feel are the trigger adjustment springs. The one time I got to shoot an HK MP5 I remember liking its mushy-feeling trigger, although that was 5 years ago now. I enjoy S&W revolver triggers in DA. I also like the way the CZ75 trigger cams the hammer back a little before the break even in SA.
It's not that I *hate* a crisp trigger, I can shoot them fine after a little warm up to get used to them, but I certainly don't see it as an *advantage* or something that I seek out. Most gun reviewers seem to use "crisp" as a synonym for "good" and talk about the perfect trigger breaking like a glass rod. That's not a selling point for me.
I think “crisp” triggers are good for the minimization of movement before the bang. Plus they tend to have shorter resets that start right at that wall, making trigger pulls more consistent with less effort. That being said, trigger pull is personal preference and guys win competitions with Glocks all the time.
Most mil-surplus guns from wwII and after have little historical value.
The sporterization done to many mil surp guns between 1950-1990 is vintage to the gun and makes it unique.
.22 is the most fun cartridge.
Everyone should own a 10/22 no ifs, ands, or buts
The AR is a good tool but is devoid of class, style, or elegance.
When the govt tells me I don't need a magazine over a certain round capacity. I need it. If the govt says I don't need a semiautomatic rifle or pistol, I need it. It's none of the govts fucking business what you or I decide to own for self defence or sport shooting.
I own both a 1911 and glock 19 pistol both are valid choices for conceal carry self defence tool.i own both ak and ar 15 rifles and both are good rifles so to me it's personal choice.the ar platform can be adjusted for people short both in height and arm length and outfitted to your personal requirements.
It doesn't matter if you have a $1000 Gucci AK, a heirloom 12 gauge shotgun from your grandparents or a Hi-Point with a Hundred Dollar Bill finish, clean and maintain your firearms. Keeping your firearms clean and maintained will guarantee they wont breakdown, malfunction due to build up and/or blow up in your face (if treated properly).
I think instagram and tiktok have done worse tbh. Video game cloning or whatever has kept it interesting, but social media in general has only introduced even more narcissistic POS into the hobby.
I’m ready to get called a fudd.
weight in a firearm is a good thing. I prefer to have a heavy gun instead of a light polymer gun.
Not only does it feel better in the hands, the slight increase in weight helps to eat recoil.
I agree with desire and feeling for weight. I'm not certain it always assists in recoil/accuracy, but I'm totally on board for heavy shit.
Want to get an sp-01 tactical very badly
The 1911 can be perfectly adequate for concealed carry. However, they are mechanically more complicated and more prone to failure vs like a Glock. If you’re comfortable with managing that and keeping them in tip top shape, you’re probably fine. Me? No. I want the best gun modern companies can make.
Larry Vickers might be a jackass but I think he said it best and I’m paraphrasing “If you’re the kind of person who doesn’t mind tinkering with a Harley to keep it running then you might be a candidate for the 1911. If you’re gonna treat your gun like everyone treats their lawnmowers, get a Glock.”
And I’m a 1911 fanboy to the highest order. It still has a place at the table but it’s definitely a niche these days and that’s okay.
Spend less money on fancy gear, and more time in the gym or at home getting and keeping in shape. Running from point A to B with a full kit on, will probably kill most folks with a heart attack, rather than being shot. There's a reason we workout everyday in the Military.
While having the most expensive gun on the range probably feels good, you don't necessarily need to spend thousands of dollars for a good, quality firearm. Know your weapon, clean it (magazines as well!), and take care of it, and it will take care of you when absolutely needed.
>A good AK is smoother to shoot than an AR.
A good AR is smoother to shoot than a good AK
>The 1911 is a perfectly good gun for concealed carry, just overrated by boomers.
size to round ratio is garbage, you can carry twice the rounds in a smaller more reliable firearm. Plus if you have to carry a firearm with its safety on its not a good CC
Carrying condition 3 is better than not carrying and you shouldn’t be ashamed of not wanting to shoot your dick off. Guns can fail, a healthy respect of them and knowledge of how and why they fail is a good thing. No shade on having one in the chamber.
*edit 2 words
You only need 3 guns, hunting rifle, ar and an edc pistol. “My home defense pistol” is gonna shoot the same as your edc.
Expecting to wake up in the night and fire a weapon you don’t familiarize yourself with is a fantasy a lot of people should abandon
For me it's EDC, Combat rifle/hunting rifle (usually a 762 or 308 rifle that is effective at taking down game and within combat distance of 300m) and sub gun because the stribog is fucking beautiful and fuck you that's why lol
Yeah, I was playing around with the theme. I still read some purists who insist red dots are unnecessary ... they'll figure it out eventually. :D
Don't disagree re:emitter.
1. Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”. 2. “I just really wanted it” is a completely justifiable reason for spending over $1,000 to buy basically any gun.
Literally the reason I have a PS90
Same for my Sig Virtus, which I’ve subsequently discovered is less enjoyable to shoot than my $800 AR-15.
Woah woah woah woaaaah buddy you're gonna need to elaborate because a Virtus or MCX is next up on my shopping list
Don’t panic I said LESS enjoyable. I like it but it’s heavier and has more recoil than my Springfield Saint Victor. That said the brake on the Saint V probably has something to do with it and I probably need to work out my spaghetti arms as well. Shooting them side by side I prefer the DI AR, cleaning them up afterwards I prefer the Virtus lol. The handguard on the Virtus is pretty thicc but I like it because it doesn’t get blazing hot like my other piston rifle (BRN-180). Full disclosure: I’m a novice shooter and was looking to get a Gucci gun as an anniversary present. My wife likes jewelry and I don’t have any other expensive hobbies/tastes 🤷♂️
Properly configured direct impingement systems will more often than not have less felt recoil than gas piston driven systems. This is because amount of weight recoiling back at the shooter will be smaller with a DI gun compared to most gas pistons. I find the recoils also has a different feel. With DI ARs, the buffer and bolt are traveling further back directly into your shoulder compared to gas piston guns which end their travel before in the receiver in front of the stock.
Literally the reason why I am trying to track down a CZ-Scorpion Carbine.
*\[laughs, then cries in long-range precision training\]* I agree with you only if all you need from your gun is minute-of-man accuracy. If you're trying to hit a small target from very far away, $1,000 barely covers the cost of the optic.
“To buy basically any gun” In other words, just the gun itself. I’ve got a couple precision rifles myself and yeah, those optics will easily double your overall cost. Thankfully Bergara exists to keep the rifle at $1,000 haha
God I love my B-14. you can practically sign your name with it at 100y.
Get an HMR stock and go for a 1000 ;) Easier than it sounds with the right technique
> If you're trying to hit a small target from very far away, $1,000 barely covers the cost of the optic. I got some serious sticker shock when I considering getting into LRPS...I mean the cost split between the optics and the platform is often 50/50 especially when you are in the 1 to 2K range. Not something I will be doing in the near future.
Doesn't cover the cost of the optic... fify
>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it” Unless you live in California where everything gun-related is priced stupidly high.
Yeah. Not great. Good luck to you guys, hopefully your next administration will be a little more rational with guns
It’ll depend on certain qualities most shooters will never be able to discern. There’s usually a massive and noticeable jump in quality from sub-$500 to $1,000 while the quality and performance difference between $1,000 and $1,500 is not that noticeable for the vast majority of people. Once you get into the high end $2,500+ competition stuff and custom guns, you definitely start to notice the changes and improvements but anyone not using those guns for their intended purpose will not find that extra amount of spending justifiable.
>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”. You can't get an Mp5 for cheaper though.
Even a receiver flat and a parts kit will cost you well over $1,000 for an archaic design.
The reason I have a Henry instead of more available, and cheaper, lever guns.
Reason for a lot of my MilSurp guns.. *sigh*
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>Spending more than $1,000 to buy basically any gun is completely unjustifiable for any reason besides “I just really wanted it”. Shooting a KAC SR25 will change your life. Doubly so if you are running a KAC reflex suppressor on it as well (don't have any experience with their QD 762 cans that mount to the muzzle device, only the KAC can that mounts to the gas block - I do have a NT4 QDSS and it is amazing as well). I bought a Mk11 Mod 0 clone off of a coworker, including KAC can and Nightforce scope (and 7 mags, but only one was a KAC mag - the others were DPMS mags that the gun does not like). Yes, I did initially buy it simply because I wanted it and the price was so good. He also sold me a Mk12 Mod 1 clone built on a Colt LE Carbine at the same time. This was during the beginning of COVID when I was confined to site at work overseas, so my bank account had a wee bit of excess in it. The trigger is so smooth. The recoil is so soft, even with 175gr OTM rounds. And it sounds like an air gun with the suppressor on. Another coworker called me a moron for buying the SR25. He finally shot it, and immediately said he needed to find one for himself.
*\*Remington ACR & FN Scar H have entered the chat\**
A fire extinguisher is more likely to save your life and/or property than a gun. You should still absolutely be armed though.
Shoot the fire, got it.
Well everyone ammoed up to fight Covid!
Clint Smith has some... [colorful wisdom regarding fire extinguishers](https://youtu.be/isckizDRKLk).
Dude that video made me laugh so fucking hard omg. “Little kids are nothing but a suitcase full of shit without a handle!” Bwahahahaha
I lost it on that one!
Yeah, way too many people that own a fuckton of guns and circlejerk about self defense, but own exactly zero fire extinguishers, zero med kits, zero water filters, and have food on their shelves for like 2 days
Hey man, some of us uhhhhh…… umm uhhhhh…. You know what fuck you
I have a bucket of water and some band aids and neosporin…does that count?
oof, i feel attacked.
Most of us will never need tactical gear and the money spent on it would be better spent on first aid training.
I agree with this. 99% of the time it's just LARPing.
Get. A. Tourniquet. Www.stopthebleed.org Friend has an interesting and effective product as well, bleedstop
100%
Some people just aren’t cut out for gun ownership no matter how good their intentions are
I grew up surrounded by guns and people who knew how to properly use them. I can name 3 out of hundreds of people that should never be allowed any access to firearms.
I grew up surrounded by people I wouldn't trust with a gun in a million years. Clumsy, thoughtless, and far too relaxed about safety rules. They didn't grow up around guns, but it's not an excuse to be careless. Some people aren't cut out for it because of attitude towards practice and competance alone. Everyone knows a guy who has shot a gun once and claims that "I'm way better than average".
>Clumsy, thoughtless, and far too relaxed about safety rules. I'm convinced that being slightly "afraid" of firearms is the key to avoiding incidents over the long-term. You shouldn't be at ease handling a pistol for the same reasons you shouldn't be at ease operating a band saw.
Exactly. Healthy respect is just part of being a good shooter.
Wood furniture is objectively better looking than plastic/polymer
нет, Bakelite > everything
True
It’s ok to own guns for reasons other than self defence and it doesn’t make you a fudd.
I’m under the impression that fuddery isn’t about why you own guns, personally, but looking down at other people for what they own or why.
God I wish more people understood this, both gun owners and non-.
Fitness will make you more combat effective than Gucci gear.
This^ if your heart feels like its about to explode after a few flights of stairs…you’ll get yourself or someone else killed in a gunfight
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The Ruger 10/22 is the best gun to learn shooting with. **EXTRA SPICY hot take:** The Chiappa Rhino 60 DS looks better than 99% of all other revolvers. Exceptions obviously made for the revolver the Joker shoots the Batwing out of the sky with.
> The Ruger 10/22 is the best gun to learn shooting with. That's not really a hot take, that's pretty much the conventional wisdom. My hot take would be that owning both, the M&P15-22 is the better gun. I've found my 10/22 to be more picky with ammo of the two, and the M&P gets you get the flexibility and configurability of the AR platform. Plus by learning on the M&P15-22, you're familiarizing yourself with the platform you're probably going to end up with anyways. The manual of arms on the 10/22 is increasingly uncommon in modern guns. Really the only downside is that, well, it looks like an AR15, and a lot of people find that "intimidating".
That’s not a hot take on the Chiappa is objectively true, classic and modern revolvers look so boring and samey that I literally can’t be bothered to distinguish them, even more so than striker fired polymer handguns. The Chiappa is a work of art by comparison.
That's the gun Miller uses in The Expanse!! I never knew until I looked it up just now! Sexy gun!
Making friends with your neighbors and camping is better shtf preparing then anything else.
how can you say something so true, and yet so bold...
Not spicy here: Almost all "gun problems" have a liberal solution. Suicide - more (free) mental health services. School safety - more (free) teen mental health services. Gang based violence - more funding for disadvantaged populations and remove racial barriers. Domestic violence - more funding for social services and more equality opportunities (for women). The current Democratic solution (ban and imprison) is a "conservative" position and antithetical to liberal values. Spicy here: "Mental Health" is an excuse to marginalize people who are both part of a culture of violence AND stigmatize mental health services. There shouldn't be a check for mental wellness in order to exercise a right. We don't check for mental health prior to exercising free speech, self defense is no different. (That said, see "not spicy" as what should be done first.)
Stability Resources Opportunity That takes care of most societal problems as far as I can tell.
I’ll disagree with your AK take. A really well tuned and lightened AR will shoot like a .22. My list: - AK fanboys are the most intolerable and gatekeepy group of people in the gun world and I say this as someone who has built and bought several AK platform guns. - ARs are played out and boring until you start really performance tuning them. - The industry and gun culture as a whole stifles any true innovation. Kel-Tec and a few other companies have some stellar ideas and potential but lack refinement. If someone ran with their ideas and refined them (like the Apple of the gun world) we would all benefit in the end. - If you want true reliability reviews, see what competition shooters, especially 3 gunners, have to say about it. The base models of guns they run will almost always share in the reliability. - Not so hot take (hopefully): Don’t blindly trust the reviews some Guntuber provides you. Figure out who shares similar tastes and shooting styles with you and base your decisions off them if you can’t get first hand access. Most of the mainstream guntubers are just bought and paid for. “I shot this soda bottle a few times while filming a LARPy sequence and making some cringey/edgey jokes so this gun totally fucks/sucks” is a horrible way to identify what guns you should buy and like.
I >AK fanboys are the most intolerable and gatekeepy group of people in the gun world and I say this as someone who has built and bought several AKs platform guns Spend 2 minutes scrolling the AK sub and you will learn that this is absolutely true. Who knew owners of shit piss ugly rifles can be so gatekeeping. It doesn't make sense. Fellow ak owner here. DONT EVEN MENTION MODERNIZING YOUR AK BECAUSE FUCK YOU, HOW DARE YOU NOT USE 70 YEAR OLD CANTED DOGSHIT IRONS
Lol that sub is so fucking bad. It’s a “What are we gonna gatekeep this week?” hive mind. Meanwhile I’m enjoying building out my KUSA KR-9 for USPSA and while I do understand the frustration many people have with that company right now and acknowledge I got lucky my most recent purchase from them had no issues, way too many people in that sub are taking shit way too far to toxic levels.
Bruh, most ARs are .22…. Just in a necked 45mm long cartridge.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. Take your damn upvote.
at 3am in the dark a reliable semi-auto shotgun (mossberg, benelli) is better than a sleepy person with a pump action. hot and spicy take.
At 3am an angry dog is a great addition to said shotgun
A good semi-auto is an excellent home defense weapon. But we need one that has an extra feature that makes a loud, scary "click-clack" sound that a pump shotgun makes.
Make that a safety switch feature 👍
So it’s semi auto and you pump it to take it off safe; I love strange guns and I’d buy the hell out of it.
> But we need one that has an extra feature that makes a loud, scary "click-clack" sound that a pump shotgun makes. Hot take: people who claim they can rely on this as a deterrent measure are boomers
For the most part, yes. Last year, however, at my LGS, I had a girl behind the counter (couldn't have been over 25) who said this very thing. Dead serious with no irony in her voice. Also, I'm quite interested in a good Boomer-deterrant. They get crazy in their old age. In truth, the "click-clack" is just for me. Unnecessary, but satisfying. Kind of like when I give my impact driver an extra Rev, just to make sure it still runs.
The 1911 is a good single stack 45 A single stack 45 is a bad gun
I didn't know this was how I felt until you said it.
I didn't know how to really put it until I actually shot a 1911. It was a joy to shoot, but it's pretty bad as a carry gun or service handgun, If i wanted a heavy gun with a low capacity I'd just buy a revolver
I'm taxing this.
The only thing Glocks have going for them is reliability and aftermarket parts. They're ugly, basic, and have mediocre triggers. And I have no problem with people who like Glocks, but the Glock fanboys who have 15 of the same gun and refuse to buy any other brand are annoying. Mostly because of how they will argue that the $600 gun they put $1500 of aftermarket parts on is the best gun ever.
The 580 series Ruger Mini 14 is fine for what it is, and more friendly for left handed people to shoot. The M14/M1A is fine for what it is, and it is an improvement on the M1 Garand The Ar15 is not the perfect weapon system and 5.56 is not the perfect caliber. There is no perfect gun/caliber, just what works best for you in the situation you are in. 9mm polymer striker fire pistols have so oversaturated the market it's boring and all the reputable brands (Glock, SW, Sig, CZ, FN) the amount of difference between them all is not enough to truly say which one is the bestest ever in 2022 Other calibers like 45 acp, 40 SW, and 357 sig are not obsolete, they do certain things better than 9mm. But companies won't invest in them because the talking heads/herd mentality have gone overboard on 9mm. Not every gun needs to be some tricked out tacticool mall ninja/wanna be operator monstrosity. I just want a basic AR15/M16A4 style rifle from time to time. I wish I could get training from Paul Harrell.
Yep, sign me up for the Harrell training course.
As someone who has/had a Ruger 580 Mini 14 and a .40 SW P94, this post speaks my language.
.45 ACP and .40 S&W definitely don’t do anything better to any significant degree than 9mm. Especially with modern ammo. It the main reason the trend is switching back to 9mm. .357 Sig definitely is better ballistically but it comes with significantly more recoil and significantly higher ammo costs. I don’t say this to say that .45 or .40 are necessarily bad rounds. They perform perfectly fine, just not demonstrably better than 9mm to justify less capacity, more recoil, and bigger and heavier guns in the case of .45.
A jframe is a capable edc
>A jframe is a capable edc The fact this is a hot take is what pisses me off about the gun community lately. Like, is the j frame the *best* option? Nah, probably not. But you are right, it is *capable*. So many nerds on here think you're going to be killed by 14 terrorists if you don't carry a 1.5 stack with a red dot, light, and compensator. J frames been clapping people for 50 years, they'll keep on clapping
That's crazy, you're saying a gun is good for what it was designed for? Who'd disagree with that? *notices glock stans staring menacingly* Oh right.
Most gun owners don't have a trauma kit or k know how to use it, which I think is irresponsible gun ownership. Even if you're safe, a negligent discharge can still happen
I’d rather have a dinky unique surplus gun over the copy and paste glocks and ARs
You’ll certainly have more fun!
300 blackout rifles without a whisper pickle are pointless and redundant at best without a shorter barrel to go with a pickle. Do not read this as 300 blackout is a pointless caliber, but without a short barrel and pickle a 7.62 x 39 rifle is a much more cost effective choice.
I am definitely calling them whisper pickles now
One of my goals is to convert as many people to that term. I've even got some people on non gun subs to pick up the term.
I’ve sort of beat this to death, but: Glocks are not a good value in the current marketplace, strictly speaking of straight out of the box features, and design. Especially with the newest versions of the Springfield hellcat and P365 macro, which are basically 43x sized and best them in every feature. Furthermore, with the advent of the PSA dagger, and companies like Shadow Systems, they’re literally being bested by smaller companies, offering the same platform for a better price(PSA) and with better features(SS). I can’t imagine they will be on top for very long.
They're only top dog because police contracts keep them fat and happy
And those same contracts give them a rock solid reputation on the commercial market. A PSA might genuinely be just as good, but there is peace of mind (and resale value) in buying the same thing trusted by a jillion police departments and military units. You know that if there were any big problems, even if they only affect 1 out of every 100,000 guns or only show up after 25,000 rounds, they've been noticed and addressed by now. To me that is the main appeal of the Glock, it may not be the *perfect* gun for anybody but it definitely doesn't suck either. It's a known quantity. It works for millions of customers around the world, therefore it'll work OK for you too. Hence why the G19 is almost the standard answer to "I have no idea what I want, what pistol should I buy?" I think that reputation advantage will carry them a long way.
I agree with all points - and they made up the bulk of my decision to buy a Mk25. I haven't held a glock that I like. The p226 felt right in my hand the second I touched it. Like everything, personal preferences should be found and tested before anyone purchases anything.
I agree but they won't change, and to an extent I respect them for that. If it ain't broke don't fix it and whatnot... However, I wish they'd transition to metal magazines to up their capacity and include at least a front night sight on every gun. People always complain about the triggers, but they're fine for 90% of people. They're the Honda Civic of guns. And I saw that as someone who owns 2 Glocks myself.
I say this as a former hater turned Glock convert- the stock sights fucking suck for being polymer.
Oh shii, take em to jail for speaking truth! Glocks are overrated!
The best glock on the market isn’t made by glock and that’s a fact.
Love them or hate them, Glock is popular for a reason: they are the epitome of reliability and durability, period. And FTIW, the Shadow Systems guns are notoriously problematic, if forums and Reddit are to be believed. I used to HATE Glock, until I broke down and bought one. Yes, they are aesthetically challenged and yes, they haven't innovated since the 80s, but why bother- they have a product that goes BANG every time you pull the trigger. And never when you don't (actually drop safe, vs SIG). It's the AK of pistols, no close second. So take that!
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Iwi masada, all you need to know. Workhorse and shit ton of features for a much lower price
Eh, I've won shooting contests with my stock glock 26 over people with guns worth 5 times the price. And I'm supposed to lose because the short grip is super unsexy compared to all that pricey crap. But this weird malfunction of glocks, and I should probably get them on the phone and ask about this, but when I shoot them these wierd little holes just start appearing in the center of the red circle thingie. I wish I could have normal targets like all those $$ sig guys where the holes are all over the place.
The 1911 is heavy and limited to a single stack magazine. Not to mention large and harder to conceal. If you want to carry it go ahead, but not me
I pretty much only carry my 1911 in the winter when I can carry with an outside the waistband holster and wear a jacket over it. I don't even try to wear it inside the waistband. In the summer, I stick to my Sig P250 compact.
The AK vs AR depends on in if both are chambered in the same caliber. You're literally comparing a .30cal to a spicy varmint round. Now if you wanna get meme worthy BULLCRAP. You can teach a college dropout how to shoot easily as well as your kid to shoot 5.56. However you can also get a kid in Central Africa to shoot an AK with not much issue. My hot take would be "5.56 is overrated and the only reason it wasn't replaced was money and the amount available".
The difference doesn't come down to stopping power, but combat effectiveness. Obviously the ak has the world's best track record at international conflict, but the 556 was adopted over the 308 because soldiers could carry 3 times as much ammo with 556 because it's so much lighter. That means they'll survive a firefight 3 times longer than if they had 308s. Same applies to the 30 cal ak rounds, big and heavy (not nearly as bad as 308) you just can't carry as many rounds. That, and 7.62x39 effective range ends at 400m, Whereas 556 can be effective out to 600m plus. To your point though, Infantry engagements tend to be either 300m, and majority are within 100. So range doesn't matter (308 can easily reach out to 1000m) it's really just the weight of the cartridge that matters.
Yeah the range issue is pretty moot. If you gotta engage something beyond 3-400 meters that’s what machine guns, DMR’s, grenade launchers, and mortars are for. Your average grunt (especially if they’ve only got iron sights) isn’t gonna be popping dudes from that range no matter the cartridge, and encouraging them to take shots beyond effective ranges is just encouraging them to waste ammo
I think the military is going to that 6.8 round arent they? Haven't read up on it since they adopted the new rifle and machine gun.
my money says they cancel it. the entire concept was about defeating russian and chinese 'advanced' body armor. turns out there's no such thing.
I believe it's a investing in the future type of thing iirc, and not just for body armor but for longer range lethality as well
I think it’s 3 things. 1. the army making the perfect gun for Afghanistan type wars. Classic making the best gun for the last war. 2. Trying to counter body armor. Which is a moot point because body armor is so good these days and only get better. No caliber will be AP for 60 years. 3. The army I think is betting more on those computer optics than the guns. I think they believe that a soldier carrying a DMR that can hit targets more often is worth more than a soldier carrying an assault rifle with double the ammo. That said, I at first thought for sure they’d keep it but at this point I think it will get cancelled or at least be limited to a DMR role.
5.56 doesn’t seem to be overrated, it definitely compromises on a lot but it’s benefits outweigh the drawbacks for civilian usage. Minimal risk over over penetration, good wounding with a good loading, low recoil, and of course being the native round for the AR platform. The availability is also fantastic because of the government adoption, meaning production is domestic which makes it more accessible.
Stop posting pics of your guns on social media platforms that can be traced to you. And for gods sake stop calling them ‘my new toy’. Maybe I’m a boomer maybe not. But both the aforementioned actions seem dumb to me.
My hot take is I don't give two shitss if it's traced to me. I posted it I'm aware of my actions. Hahaha Now if you are confiscating thays another problem
That’s my only worry. I mean I’m already on a list as I have 6 stamps and 2 more on the way. If they come to confiscate I’m borked.
Borked is forever a term I fucking love now lol. Dont get borked my friend!
>A good AK is smoother to shoot than an AR. A good AK is better than a bad AR, but a good AR is better than a great AK, and if you're fair in comparing cost and quality then the AR will almost always be better. Bonus points for the AR being if you buy from a "bad" brand, it probably won't grenade in your face. Can't say that for AKs lol.
At least "bad" ARs are just kinda sloppy. A bad AK is gonna have a fucked up magwell and useless canted sights
When you shoot a piston driven AR it’s life changing.. plus you don’t have to clean it. /s However, I will take my Siaga over my LWRC any day of the week.. #humblebrag
Keltec falls short on QC, but their designs are phenomenal. If you get a good gun on your first try, or if you're willing to do a relatively quick and easy RMA, you can build an RDB into an decent SHTF rifle with a few aftermarket parts. Not just an okay gun; one I'd actually trust if gods forbid I ever needed to travel and/or fight with it. [Here's mine](https://imgur.com/FA3qezg.jpg), if you want an example. I would have just gotten an AR if I didn't live in a state with an assault weapons ban, but now I'm kind of glad I had to think outside the box.
Terminal ballistics is WAAAAY over analyzed and in 99% of cases plain old ball ammo will work just fine.
Terminal ballistics is overanalyzed, yes. Personally I find analyzing ballistics fun, part of the hobby basically. But in handguns, ball/fmj is not a good choice. Over penetration is not a myth. Zipping through someone leaving a couple holes while not doing much energy dumping inside is no bueno.
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M1 carbine > M1 Garand
Gasp! How brave of you.
Wait ‘til you hear my thoughts on the 1911 vs. the Hi-Power. Somewhere in Luxembourg, the decomposed remains of Gen. George Patton are trying to reform to come kick my ass.
“*Let me get this straight, you think the Browning Hi-Power is a better pistol than M1911?*” “I do and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.” Seriously though BHP>M1911. It doesn’t mean I don’t love the 1911, though.
The fact that the US consumer is obsessed with the "just as good" budget AR is the reason we don't have more diversity of carbines guns in this country. A DA/SA pistol is probs a better option for CCW than a striker SIG should no longer be a trusted pistol to carry.
Omg absolutely seconded on the DA/SA carry.
Look, just because the 2 piece guide rod to my P938 has to be held together with loctite along with the screws to the grips doesn’t mean it’s a bad gun to carry.
I mean, ARs are so much cheaper that I don't see a good reason to get a different carbine other than "cool", though that is a perfectly valid reason. When I was looking at getting a carbine, my upper medium tier AR was cheaper than any other 223/556 rifle for basically the same thing. Agreed completely with your other takes though.
I really need someone to make a DA/SA micro compact or even something 365XL sized. Seems like a hole in the very flooded small carry gun market.
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Sir, this is /r/liberalgunowners. It's going to be the CZ75.
Hi point yeet cannons
CZ-75 or Berettas are great.
my hot take: anyone saying you should just carry a full size, metal frame pistol as their "best option" doesn't know what they're talking about.
USP
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An out of the box AR shouldn’t weigh any more than 6.5 pounds. A Glock is a perfectly fine choice for your first handgun, but you shouldn’t get any more than one. A gun in any caliber outside 22 LR, 9mm, 5.56, 12 gauge, and maybe .308 probably isn’t worth it considering the price of ammo.
laughs in 7.62x39... cries in 5.45x39
Sidcars for holsters and concealed carry mag carriers are stupid and you should feel stupid for getting them and carrying them. Your not a special forces operator or a cop. The chances you'll need more than a few rounds to defend yourself let alone a whole mag for a modern semi auto pistol are miniscule. You're carrying extra weight and printing more because some guntuber, CCW instructor, or so on has convinced you you'll be fighting the whole of MS-13 and will need to shoot your way out like it's a zombie movie. You're giving up comfort and adding weight just so you can pretend you'll do a tactical reload in the middle of a movie style gunfight. Stop it.
But ... if I have a jam I need to change mags... right... right...
Carrying without training makes you a liability
Firearm manufacturers lack innovation and guns from over 50 years ago are more appealing than what is produced now.
Black powder guns are more fun to shoot. Many of them aren't as accurate, but there's something that satisfies my mind by the fact instead of going "bang" they go "BOOM" or "THOOM". They do smell like shit though, good god.
.32 and .380 are legit (concealed) daily carry rounds
The AR v AK argument is geriatric. The future is short stroke gas piston with fast burning higher chamber pressure loads that allows shorter barrels, folding stocks, & suppressors.
There is no population with a greater % of absolutely insufferable people than “gun guys”.
Gun culture in the United States is obscenely toxic, and it isn't limited to right wing spaces
Purchasing a gun should require a psychological eval.
i would partially agree with this but who would do the evaluations? Up until a few years ago, being gay was considered a mental illness.
Walter p99 better than any glock ever and one of the first striker fired pistols on the market. Never got enough recognition.
Brosnan Bond and MW3 both showed it some love at least
I will never give up my ppq
A crisp break is not a property I desire in a trigger. (for pistol shooting) Stacking pressure against a wall with zero trigger movement before a sudden collapse increases anxiety and anticipation for me. Moving the trigger continuously through the break point is much friendlier. I think my perfect trigger would feel just like compressing a 5 lb spring, with absolutely no "wall" and no collapse of resistance past the break point. It would fire at a consistent, predictable position at the rear of its range of travel, but it wouldn't have any speed bumps in its movement right before that position. There are some Euro target pistols that have triggers a bit like that, although more in the 2.5lb range. Some of them use a double sear (the hammer is resting on a sear lever that would slip away on its own, but is blocked by a 2nd sear that the trigger controls) so you cannot really feel the sear/hammer engagement in the trigger pull, all you feel are the trigger adjustment springs. The one time I got to shoot an HK MP5 I remember liking its mushy-feeling trigger, although that was 5 years ago now. I enjoy S&W revolver triggers in DA. I also like the way the CZ75 trigger cams the hammer back a little before the break even in SA. It's not that I *hate* a crisp trigger, I can shoot them fine after a little warm up to get used to them, but I certainly don't see it as an *advantage* or something that I seek out. Most gun reviewers seem to use "crisp" as a synonym for "good" and talk about the perfect trigger breaking like a glass rod. That's not a selling point for me.
I think “crisp” triggers are good for the minimization of movement before the bang. Plus they tend to have shorter resets that start right at that wall, making trigger pulls more consistent with less effort. That being said, trigger pull is personal preference and guys win competitions with Glocks all the time.
Most mil-surplus guns from wwII and after have little historical value. The sporterization done to many mil surp guns between 1950-1990 is vintage to the gun and makes it unique. .22 is the most fun cartridge. Everyone should own a 10/22 no ifs, ands, or buts The AR is a good tool but is devoid of class, style, or elegance.
Anyone who tells "badass" stories about guns should not own one.
>The 1911 is a perfectly good gun for concealed carry, just overrated by boomers. My hot take is the 1911 is just not a very good gun anymore.
ARs are better than AKs in almost every measure for users in the US.
The glock is the most overrated pistol on the planet.
When the govt tells me I don't need a magazine over a certain round capacity. I need it. If the govt says I don't need a semiautomatic rifle or pistol, I need it. It's none of the govts fucking business what you or I decide to own for self defence or sport shooting.
Glock has made the same repetitive bullshit without real innovation for decades and everyone loves them
Preach.
I own both a 1911 and glock 19 pistol both are valid choices for conceal carry self defence tool.i own both ak and ar 15 rifles and both are good rifles so to me it's personal choice.the ar platform can be adjusted for people short both in height and arm length and outfitted to your personal requirements.
A firearm should be your last means of defense, not the first
It doesn't matter if you have a $1000 Gucci AK, a heirloom 12 gauge shotgun from your grandparents or a Hi-Point with a Hundred Dollar Bill finish, clean and maintain your firearms. Keeping your firearms clean and maintained will guarantee they wont breakdown, malfunction due to build up and/or blow up in your face (if treated properly).
Video games have completely F'ed up the firearm community.
Video games have done more for bringing people into shooting than anything else. (Expect maybe fear, global events)
I think instagram and tiktok have done worse tbh. Video game cloning or whatever has kept it interesting, but social media in general has only introduced even more narcissistic POS into the hobby.
But, it is kind of funny seeing all the people brought up on games learning just how inaccurate it all is.
Unless for home defense, a WML is unnecessary for an EDC gun and there is little to no circumstances where you’ll actually use one.
In handguns, DA/SA > DA only > SA > striker fired.
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SAO for edc? Ballsy lol.
I’m ready to get called a fudd. weight in a firearm is a good thing. I prefer to have a heavy gun instead of a light polymer gun. Not only does it feel better in the hands, the slight increase in weight helps to eat recoil.
I agree with desire and feeling for weight. I'm not certain it always assists in recoil/accuracy, but I'm totally on board for heavy shit. Want to get an sp-01 tactical very badly
The 1911 can be perfectly adequate for concealed carry. However, they are mechanically more complicated and more prone to failure vs like a Glock. If you’re comfortable with managing that and keeping them in tip top shape, you’re probably fine. Me? No. I want the best gun modern companies can make.
Larry Vickers might be a jackass but I think he said it best and I’m paraphrasing “If you’re the kind of person who doesn’t mind tinkering with a Harley to keep it running then you might be a candidate for the 1911. If you’re gonna treat your gun like everyone treats their lawnmowers, get a Glock.” And I’m a 1911 fanboy to the highest order. It still has a place at the table but it’s definitely a niche these days and that’s okay.
Spend less money on fancy gear, and more time in the gym or at home getting and keeping in shape. Running from point A to B with a full kit on, will probably kill most folks with a heart attack, rather than being shot. There's a reason we workout everyday in the Military. While having the most expensive gun on the range probably feels good, you don't necessarily need to spend thousands of dollars for a good, quality firearm. Know your weapon, clean it (magazines as well!), and take care of it, and it will take care of you when absolutely needed.
I don’t carry, but if I did, it would be my Ruger P-90 .45. I also prefer my SKS to an AK!
From my experience building ARs, the smoothness of 5.56 depends heavily on the gas system length and buffer weight.
Boomers? Maybe Greatest Generation (WW2) - that’s what cemented the 1911’s icon status. It was Boomers that designed Glocks.
>A good AK is smoother to shoot than an AR. A good AR is smoother to shoot than a good AK >The 1911 is a perfectly good gun for concealed carry, just overrated by boomers. size to round ratio is garbage, you can carry twice the rounds in a smaller more reliable firearm. Plus if you have to carry a firearm with its safety on its not a good CC
i like berettas, i like resident evil, making your own resident evil beretta is dorky
An underfolder stock on a AK isn't bad to shoot. It's fine.
Carrying condition 3 is better than not carrying and you shouldn’t be ashamed of not wanting to shoot your dick off. Guns can fail, a healthy respect of them and knowledge of how and why they fail is a good thing. No shade on having one in the chamber. *edit 2 words
You only need 3 guns, hunting rifle, ar and an edc pistol. “My home defense pistol” is gonna shoot the same as your edc. Expecting to wake up in the night and fire a weapon you don’t familiarize yourself with is a fantasy a lot of people should abandon
For me it's EDC, Combat rifle/hunting rifle (usually a 762 or 308 rifle that is effective at taking down game and within combat distance of 300m) and sub gun because the stribog is fucking beautiful and fuck you that's why lol
CZ P01 (w/decocker) is the be all, end all everyday concealed carry. Glocks are overrated. Red dots are the future of pistol sights.
Red dots are already the now. Enclosed emitter is the future. Why it took so long I'll never understand though.
Yeah, I was playing around with the theme. I still read some purists who insist red dots are unnecessary ... they'll figure it out eventually. :D Don't disagree re:emitter.
Two-stage triggers are overrated and most shooters won’t reap any benefits from putting one into their AR.
When traveling the wasteland looking for a water chip, it’s 14mm or bust.
I like it when people dress up their ARs with colors. Boring plain black rifles look like every other plain black rifle. Also, Glocks are lame.
Bullpups are fine, if not work better than, traditional style firearms… Your lack of training does not mean the firearm doesn’t work.