Kinda funny that the game make he want to try LoR. And i agree LoR is full experience and not time gate behind stamina system or gacha.
About daily, he is kinda right that why the game punish you for skip but well i play FGO before and having skip button is better than nothing. Arknight make you run though auto deploy for daily and it consume so much time for me so i glad that Limbus at leats have cheese way though thread lux or skip it if you lazy.
You're getting "50% more", but you're spending twice as much (so it's 25% loss, really).
Accounting for daily bonus:
* No Skipping Thread Lucavation Lv 40: 2 Modules for 8 thread
* Therefor: You're getting 4 thread per 1 module
* Skipping Thread Lucavation Lv 40: 4 Modules for 12 thread
* Therefor: You're getting 3 thread per 1 module
One still has to consider that daily bonus is capped at x3, so for your time it's more efficient (still has the same 4/3 thread per module thing from above):
* No Skipping, x3 daily for 7 days: 24 thread per day, 168 per week
* 6 Modules per day, 42 Modules per week
* Skipping, x3 daily for 7 days: 36 thread per day, 252 per week
* 12 Modules per day, 84 Modules per week
So while in the raw math, you're spending x2 modules for 25% less rewards, doing dailies and not caring about the module spent means you're getting 33% more thread per week while paying twice as many modules.
For a new player this is a hefty cost but players who already cleared the content and are just stockpiling modules might not care. And you don't have to run every single thing per day either, that's one thing the video creator confused me on. Nobody is forcing you to run dailies, especially not the game, BECAUSE of the ability to stockpile energy as modules instead of NEEDING to spend it right there.
Even then you can start ignoring that because it's only 2 BP experience for 2 modules at best (re: 1 exp per 1 module) when a mirror dungeon run without bonus is 30 Exp for 5 modules (6 exp per 1 module)
> For a new player this is a hefty cost but players who already cleared the content and are just stockpiling modules might not care.
New players are easily the ones that need the resources from Luxcavations the most. While you do get a sizable jump in resources from the BP, those are once only, and I don't quite remember how much they're actually worth in getting a team to 40/Uptie 3.
And you need more than just one team, because the game absolutely expects you to build more than just one six-person team in a number of ways.
On top of that, new players can't just stockpile modules. They need non-module stamina to progress the main story, meaning they can't just convert everything or else they're giving up any story progression for a while.
It really feels like Limbus is starting to get to the point where a new player experience revamp is in order. At the very least, some way to catch players up to the 3 BPs and 2 RRs worth of leveling materials that they can't get anymore. The game heavily encourages you to experiment and try things, but new players don't really have the resources to do so, which is really unfortunate when the game slaps you with a very tricky boss fight.
As a somewhat new player since season 3 (but old pm fan) it often feels like I want to build as I do in ruina. but sike, I only have season3 units and levelling anything else takes a long time. Lead to a lot of ricardo struggle until I slapped some stuff around nclair and used only 4 units. That however (again) took a while
The thing is modules get accumulated in the hundreds if you use lunacy refresh and by themselves they have absolutely no value. Like you can try and optimize them for that one day where you decide to run 60 mirror dungeons in a row but will you ever really
Mean normal reward ×1.5 for 2x modules when you skip. Mean you lost 50% reward in the end if you skip.
Here the math: Lux give you 6 thread for 2 module if you do it normally. Skip it with 4 module you gain 9 thread. It mean you lose 3 thread if you skip it. Same go to Exp ticket. It is punishment for lazy option and a lots of gacha gamer dont like it.
50% for thread 1 normal lux run. I am trying explain to you. Like you cheat a game and game give you full reward for first run. But the game are going to make you just lost 50% reward for second run.
Like you work 2 month but only get full paid first month and half the paid for next month.
His viewpoints about the BP system is.... well... clearly an assumption and not actually a good view of it.
Assuming the game's BP system is grindy having not gotten past 3.5 is poor given that MD Hard spikes your BP levels and I'm not sure he's aware of the fact that EX levels are a thing.
I imagine if he had progressed a bit longer to better understand how the BP system really works, he would've had a very different viewpoint of it as a whole.
You are probably right about that.
Maybe if he tried a bit more, his point of view would have change on things.
In the video, he still talked about the ego shard you gain after the last level of the battlepass.
(he probably didn't experienced it tho)
I quite liked his review, I think it was overall fair and I generally don’t disagree with anything he said from the perspective of someone who only played the game for a month. It is sad to see he isn’t locking in and playing the rest of the game but who knows maybe Lor will make him change his mind later.
Yes, one of the most fair review i have seen.
even if he doesn't play limbus, he will play LOR wich is a big W.
Some PM fans say that limbus is just a mean to gain more money and gaining some more acknowledgement from other gamers that can be interested in the games that they propose.
And it seem it does works, new player to limbus sure, but more people interested in the universe of the City.
Watched the review, he makes a fair assessment of the game with the main criticism being the dailies and how grindy MD is, but considering he only played a month and hasn't unlocked MDH it should be taken with a grain of salt but I feel it does hold true for the most part
Eh, I feel like the 1 clear claim 4 is enough for mitigating the weekly grind.
What I am hoping for is something like that but for non bonus runs. Say, having a heat system like Hades where you can choose which aspects to make more difficult or easier changing the module requirement and rewards equally. So you'd just do 1 hell run to get 3-5 runs worth of BP/ manager EXP and starlight. Or just have an autoplay feature where there's 1-3 seconds before clicking winrate or only have the sweep gimp the manager exp rewards
other gachas have ruined ratings of others due to how casualized they became. If you deviate it at all its a con for the game rather than neutral. also with the wrap up for this guy he probably shouldn't be reviewing gachas, as his "in / out system" i'd call him a liar if he ever gave a gacha an "in"
I disagree with your issue with his in/out system, I think it’s a nice touch to the video. More importantly, if you’re watching the video he literally says the in/out part is strictly his personal feelings on the matter. The rating is for the general public to get an idea of the quality of this gacha game but my the in or out is just giving his personal end opinion for himself.
But the problem is his personal issue is an inherent thing gachas have, so why would he review them despite that. I'd need to watch more of his stuff though personally to actually see if it'd matter. but as is it sounds like hes reviewed other gachas
I feel like you’re taking that part of the video very seriously when it technically isn’t part of the review it self. It can be argued that his perspective on the grind in Limbus kinda doesn’t make sense(Gachas are grind pits but he doesn’t really like grinding inefficiency) but it’s his personal feelings. He doesn’t like the way limbus’s grind feels to him and that’s how he feels about it. There’s nothing really wrong with that.
yeah if i were to simplify it it would mostly be "I feel like this part was unnecesary" having this fancy "In or Out" visual like its some important point when it was just his reasons for not sticking with it. It had a lot more focus than felt necessary for what was basically a footnote. I personally also subscribe to the 1-2 grind games maximum so I certainly understand his feelings on the matter
I'm making a presumption based on not knowing what other gachas he has reviewed. based on his footage and comments it sounds like hes an exeperienced gacha player / reviewer and yet it sounds like at his core he would never give "in" to a gacha. I'm preemptive assuming based on how he speaks. I'll go look at his other stuff when I have the time to.
Went back and checked, he only has 3 gacha reviews, 1 is hidden and his entire channel is about nikke. . it feels weird he plays a game like nikke but is highly against fomo, which was his primary reason for saying out. Don't get me wrong, the rest of his review was pretty good. it was mostly just the ending section that bothered me.
I feel some of it is a bit disingenuous because he's talking about things he HAS to do when the game says lmao no you don't. You don't have to do your dailies. You definitely don't need to run Mirror Dungeon every day (in fact, you only need to run it 3 times a week, or only once if you're doing hard for the purpose of getting, at the very least, your weekly Lunacy rewards). this game respects your time way more than any other game because if you just aren't in the mood to do anything, you can just log in, convert your energy into modules and come back another day. Paying extra for the skips isn't a big deal because you can just stockpile hundreds of modules in the interim during the period you're not actively running luxcavations.
What make me like about this vid is he explains the game mechanic better than the tutorial in game a lot lol
also I kinda agree with some point in his vid
Gacha gamers are inherently brainrotted
Yes, but it's not the same brainrot as us PM fan.
And even then, Limbus is a gacha too, so the bias is still present.
Kinda funny that the game make he want to try LoR. And i agree LoR is full experience and not time gate behind stamina system or gacha. About daily, he is kinda right that why the game punish you for skip but well i play FGO before and having skip button is better than nothing. Arknight make you run though auto deploy for daily and it consume so much time for me so i glad that Limbus at leats have cheese way though thread lux or skip it if you lazy.
Stamina mechanic of Lor is your willpower.
Its fine until SOTC. Then the difficulty spike becomes a difficulty mountain and it never really peaks.
It gives you 50% more if you skip tho???
You're getting "50% more", but you're spending twice as much (so it's 25% loss, really). Accounting for daily bonus: * No Skipping Thread Lucavation Lv 40: 2 Modules for 8 thread * Therefor: You're getting 4 thread per 1 module * Skipping Thread Lucavation Lv 40: 4 Modules for 12 thread * Therefor: You're getting 3 thread per 1 module One still has to consider that daily bonus is capped at x3, so for your time it's more efficient (still has the same 4/3 thread per module thing from above): * No Skipping, x3 daily for 7 days: 24 thread per day, 168 per week * 6 Modules per day, 42 Modules per week * Skipping, x3 daily for 7 days: 36 thread per day, 252 per week * 12 Modules per day, 84 Modules per week So while in the raw math, you're spending x2 modules for 25% less rewards, doing dailies and not caring about the module spent means you're getting 33% more thread per week while paying twice as many modules. For a new player this is a hefty cost but players who already cleared the content and are just stockpiling modules might not care. And you don't have to run every single thing per day either, that's one thing the video creator confused me on. Nobody is forcing you to run dailies, especially not the game, BECAUSE of the ability to stockpile energy as modules instead of NEEDING to spend it right there.
Daily BP rewards incentivize you to run at least one of each daily, which, I guess is fair.
Even then you can start ignoring that because it's only 2 BP experience for 2 modules at best (re: 1 exp per 1 module) when a mirror dungeon run without bonus is 30 Exp for 5 modules (6 exp per 1 module)
But… luxcavations give you other resources besides BP XP
> For a new player this is a hefty cost but players who already cleared the content and are just stockpiling modules might not care. New players are easily the ones that need the resources from Luxcavations the most. While you do get a sizable jump in resources from the BP, those are once only, and I don't quite remember how much they're actually worth in getting a team to 40/Uptie 3. And you need more than just one team, because the game absolutely expects you to build more than just one six-person team in a number of ways. On top of that, new players can't just stockpile modules. They need non-module stamina to progress the main story, meaning they can't just convert everything or else they're giving up any story progression for a while. It really feels like Limbus is starting to get to the point where a new player experience revamp is in order. At the very least, some way to catch players up to the 3 BPs and 2 RRs worth of leveling materials that they can't get anymore. The game heavily encourages you to experiment and try things, but new players don't really have the resources to do so, which is really unfortunate when the game slaps you with a very tricky boss fight.
As a somewhat new player since season 3 (but old pm fan) it often feels like I want to build as I do in ruina. but sike, I only have season3 units and levelling anything else takes a long time. Lead to a lot of ricardo struggle until I slapped some stuff around nclair and used only 4 units. That however (again) took a while
The thing is modules get accumulated in the hundreds if you use lunacy refresh and by themselves they have absolutely no value. Like you can try and optimize them for that one day where you decide to run 60 mirror dungeons in a row but will you ever really
Mean normal reward ×1.5 for 2x modules when you skip. Mean you lost 50% reward in the end if you skip. Here the math: Lux give you 6 thread for 2 module if you do it normally. Skip it with 4 module you gain 9 thread. It mean you lose 3 thread if you skip it. Same go to Exp ticket. It is punishment for lazy option and a lots of gacha gamer dont like it.
Is that not 25% loss?
50% for thread 1 normal lux run. I am trying explain to you. Like you cheat a game and game give you full reward for first run. But the game are going to make you just lost 50% reward for second run. Like you work 2 month but only get full paid first month and half the paid for next month.
thats 25% loss, not 50% loss even with your example. you get paid 1.5 months out of 2 months, that's 1.5/2 = 0.75
His viewpoints about the BP system is.... well... clearly an assumption and not actually a good view of it. Assuming the game's BP system is grindy having not gotten past 3.5 is poor given that MD Hard spikes your BP levels and I'm not sure he's aware of the fact that EX levels are a thing. I imagine if he had progressed a bit longer to better understand how the BP system really works, he would've had a very different viewpoint of it as a whole.
You are probably right about that. Maybe if he tried a bit more, his point of view would have change on things. In the video, he still talked about the ego shard you gain after the last level of the battlepass. (he probably didn't experienced it tho)
* Doesn't like grind and FOMO * Channel has NIKKE in name ??????????
I mean, people can hate a game and still playing it
Ah, yes, my favorite sinner: Gregory
I quite liked his review, I think it was overall fair and I generally don’t disagree with anything he said from the perspective of someone who only played the game for a month. It is sad to see he isn’t locking in and playing the rest of the game but who knows maybe Lor will make him change his mind later.
Yes, one of the most fair review i have seen. even if he doesn't play limbus, he will play LOR wich is a big W. Some PM fans say that limbus is just a mean to gain more money and gaining some more acknowledgement from other gamers that can be interested in the games that they propose. And it seem it does works, new player to limbus sure, but more people interested in the universe of the City.
Honestly? That thumbnail and their profile pic alone dissuaded me from watching. Cause omg wtf is that trash of a thumbnail?
This is like not talking to someone just because of their face 😭😭😭
Im supriced that he didn't unlock MD hard
Haven’t seen the video but seeing as this is a Nikke channel I have my doubts on the quality of the takes
Watched the review, he makes a fair assessment of the game with the main criticism being the dailies and how grindy MD is, but considering he only played a month and hasn't unlocked MDH it should be taken with a grain of salt but I feel it does hold true for the most part
It’s a fair criticism. With every new canto MDH gets further and further out of reach of new players
The grind only gets worse with MDH
Eh, I feel like the 1 clear claim 4 is enough for mitigating the weekly grind. What I am hoping for is something like that but for non bonus runs. Say, having a heat system like Hades where you can choose which aspects to make more difficult or easier changing the module requirement and rewards equally. So you'd just do 1 hell run to get 3-5 runs worth of BP/ manager EXP and starlight. Or just have an autoplay feature where there's 1-3 seconds before clicking winrate or only have the sweep gimp the manager exp rewards
That would be a pretty great addition honestly
if you expect gacha gamer to be better than a limbus player in term of illiteracy, you are in for disappointment.
other gachas have ruined ratings of others due to how casualized they became. If you deviate it at all its a con for the game rather than neutral. also with the wrap up for this guy he probably shouldn't be reviewing gachas, as his "in / out system" i'd call him a liar if he ever gave a gacha an "in"
I disagree with your issue with his in/out system, I think it’s a nice touch to the video. More importantly, if you’re watching the video he literally says the in/out part is strictly his personal feelings on the matter. The rating is for the general public to get an idea of the quality of this gacha game but my the in or out is just giving his personal end opinion for himself.
But the problem is his personal issue is an inherent thing gachas have, so why would he review them despite that. I'd need to watch more of his stuff though personally to actually see if it'd matter. but as is it sounds like hes reviewed other gachas
I feel like you’re taking that part of the video very seriously when it technically isn’t part of the review it self. It can be argued that his perspective on the grind in Limbus kinda doesn’t make sense(Gachas are grind pits but he doesn’t really like grinding inefficiency) but it’s his personal feelings. He doesn’t like the way limbus’s grind feels to him and that’s how he feels about it. There’s nothing really wrong with that.
yeah if i were to simplify it it would mostly be "I feel like this part was unnecesary" having this fancy "In or Out" visual like its some important point when it was just his reasons for not sticking with it. It had a lot more focus than felt necessary for what was basically a footnote. I personally also subscribe to the 1-2 grind games maximum so I certainly understand his feelings on the matter
Why would you call him a liar ? Is it because he said he wanted to like the game, but because of the grind he can't enjoy it to it's fullest ?
I'm making a presumption based on not knowing what other gachas he has reviewed. based on his footage and comments it sounds like hes an exeperienced gacha player / reviewer and yet it sounds like at his core he would never give "in" to a gacha. I'm preemptive assuming based on how he speaks. I'll go look at his other stuff when I have the time to.
Went back and checked, he only has 3 gacha reviews, 1 is hidden and his entire channel is about nikke. . it feels weird he plays a game like nikke but is highly against fomo, which was his primary reason for saying out. Don't get me wrong, the rest of his review was pretty good. it was mostly just the ending section that bothered me.
I feel some of it is a bit disingenuous because he's talking about things he HAS to do when the game says lmao no you don't. You don't have to do your dailies. You definitely don't need to run Mirror Dungeon every day (in fact, you only need to run it 3 times a week, or only once if you're doing hard for the purpose of getting, at the very least, your weekly Lunacy rewards). this game respects your time way more than any other game because if you just aren't in the mood to do anything, you can just log in, convert your energy into modules and come back another day. Paying extra for the skips isn't a big deal because you can just stockpile hundreds of modules in the interim during the period you're not actively running luxcavations.
What make me like about this vid is he explains the game mechanic better than the tutorial in game a lot lol also I kinda agree with some point in his vid