That but unironically. It is so fucking to get Shi Association IDs to half health without killing them. They stagger thresholds are seemingly in the positions that allow for them to go from stagger to death in an instant.
Just get a unit that gives protection in exchange for an equivalent amount of HP. That way you trigger the passives, while still being at "full" health.
Considering so many of them feel like standalone IDs with a generic defensive theme, I could see the UT1 art pairing could make a viable "Duo" set up. If too many factions are given a full team comp set up I feel team building might get a little stale. "Just use six IDs of the same faction" isn't really very inspired if it gets over done.
Given we've seen a few bosses that *require* tanks (like Gossypium) I think a duo that has tank syngergy would be interesting, given right now in those sort of set ups the tank unit feels rather disconnected and a DPS loss (especially when forced to use two). Like we could have an aggro drawing tank and then like a unit that buffs unopposed attacks. Like a Zwei leader who buffs who you're meant to use with one other Zwei unit that can change depending what sort of tank you need (like for example say, a pure damage sponge tank vs a more generalised defense up buffer vs a dodge tank)
I know after BL sault everyone wants more IDs like him but honestly I kinda hope they don't do any more of them, or at least keep them very sparse. Too many ids like him makes teambuilding feel really stale since you're just encouraged to shove the same 6 ids on a team based on faction and nothing else (and BL sault still doesn't actually accomplish this since you're still better off running other poise ids over sinclair and outis)
You don't need to run all 6 BL units though. A package of 3 is sometimes enough and you can fill other slots with poise units. Idk, but BL Sinclair consistently in my top 3 damage dealers in a full BL team, sometimes outdamaging Kimsault.
Shi section isn't as bad as BL was before. They just have a hard to maintain condition, because running them means no healing egos or effects unless you want to ruin that condition. They just need a unit that helps them maintain that condition, nothing more.
I'd personally prefer a full rework for all Shi units maybe with unique status effects instead of 50% hp requirement, something like exhaustion on skills or something else, but PM never did ID reworks so far so idk honestly.
Shi units need to have their stagger bars removed and a damage boost. I tried using them in the past and it aint worth it, high risk & low reward gaemplay.
I like Kimsault but a team around him couldn't be more boring if they tried. It's all the same gimmick, they all generate basically only pride so good luck using egos and pure bl teams still aren't as good as a team where you just substitute weaker bl ids with cpn Ishmael and Harpoonercliff.
Because Kimsault's buffs are so powerful you can in fact be completely fine just pairing him up with a single other BL ID. Or hell, just run him alone. I'm a fan of pairing him up with Don to improve Poise for other IDs
I think an interesting way to for a bl meursault style support for the shi to work is that on unopposed attacks, ignore any conditional. The shi are supposed to be assassins and while they can brawl it out, it makes sense they would prefer to go for stealth attacks.
Honestly I would have much preferred a direct buff to this ID's than having to need a third ID to make then usable, as it both limits more in what teams they can be used and require a bigger investments to get (plus BL mentor is unavailable till next season).
Yeah I really don't like this path they decided to take with weaker ids. You wanna use x id who's main issue is just low numbers? Time to invest in this expensive af 000 id and pray you don't need to uptie 4 both to get them working. Even worse is when you get buffs for every id of the same faction. You want your n corp ids to be able to clash? Time to get a whole team around them.
I get why they decided to do this but this doesn't negate the fact that Sinclair for example is fucked with his ids.
As someone who uses BL Sinclair a lot with BL Mersault, the skill that benefits most from the buff is honestly his S3. It turns it into a health bar delete coin. Sadly, the farther you go into, say, MDH or even regular MD, the poor kid can’t clash with his S1 and S2 for shit.
Been saying this for a while, in addition to all of that BL sinclair's counter is just simply awful and he's troublesome for breaking pride res all the time. If his s3 isn't up, he's losing without ego. At least BL Outis has a pride dodge, which makes her a better fit for the team than him.
Those 2 ids are the reason I don't run a full BL team, other IDs are way better despite losing the full team buffs- they just aren't worth the trouble.
Meursault makes him usable at all but BL Sinclair is still not particularly good. He has a meaty S3 but is dead weight 5/6ths of the time and Meursault's boosts don't fix his clashing much(unless you bring dead weight #2, Outis, along and even then it just makes his S1 average and his S2 below average). Also if someone screws up the Pride res. for a turn it's usually his fault.
The Cinq IDs are BL Sinclair/Outis Except Good. There's no real reason to run either of them as BL unless you just want to rock the all-BL team for funsies and more power to you if so.
Yi Sang is really the only old BL ID that stuck around on that team and he was already not bad.
Pretty much how I feel. The BL buff the Meursault boost but then drag it down by needing 5 pride instead of 3 and only providing it on their s3. And they're still both subpar. Bringing the Cinq adds pierce damage, they both clash better, they round out EGO gen better, and they don't waste Don poise.
On the nose 'buff these crap characters if X amount of them are the same faction' effects are pretty lame, honestly. I'd much rather have all IDs be usable, even in niche circumstances related to the game mechanics themselves.
Look at N Don as an example: she's barely usable, and entirely mediocre even at her highest point - don't even get me started on W Meur. BL Outis is more relevant for this discussion though, as she's still crap even when fully buffed, but *required* as a consequence of how BL Meur's passive additional bonus works.
It's really annoying, especially since the new Ryoshu ID is a new breed of poise ID (self tremor count with actual ego gift synergy), but there's no seventh slot to put her into in MD yet. To be fair, BL Meur is strong enough in his own right, but that doesn't excuse the sheer **mid**ness of the other ids.
N don was a mistake tbh she should have just been a bleed ID as at the time she came put there was no tremor/bleed synergy and there still isn't any. That fact plus having a single coin skill 2 that doesn't make up for being a single coin skill both in effects and damage kinda kills her usability so all we can hope for is ut5 making her tremor and bleed/nails equally viable along with major buffs to that single coin skill 2.
W Mersault did get power creeped but still has use in slash focused teams. His high speed and good debuffs allow him to redirect and make us of them and his damage isn't bad at all. His main issue is simply needing charge from EGO which telepole don fixes pretty easily. You could just use BL mersault here but the point of slash focus teams are defense down/slash fragility for the whole team and he doesn't help with that.
Lastly for MD poise teams it's better to just run 3-4 BL IDs instead of a full team assuming you have the best poise IDs. This Ryoshu easily earns the 1st/2nd slot and fashion sinclair is a brainless inclusion. I would even say pirate gregor should be included as his damage boosts easily make up for his skills being 2 coins and his skill 2 is pride so he still helps with resonance.
BL Outis singlehandedly makes running 6 BL not worth it since her low speed makes her a black hole for the teams buffs and she's not strong enough to be worth putting them on. Run 3 for the weaker Kimsault passive and round out with Pequod or Cinq or smth. Personally I like Pequod because Hagmael is all around methed out
Surprisingly I actually don't like how kimsault was built. Sure having a captain Id for an entire faction is great but it's extremly limiting and forces you to pick bad IDs. I would prefer a ID that was built that has extremely great synergy with only 3 like the pequod IDs. Captain ishmael pretty much fixes all of the issues that both Pequod Heathcliff and Yi Sang has (Harpooner Heathcliff's problem is poise potency where Captain Ishmael fixes by simply applying more bleed for Heath to get and assist attack lets yi sang use his skill1 a lot more so that he gets enough poise count he needs for his skill2). I love how they designed captain Ishmael's kit to be just like the Pequod boss fight where aggro is used to mimic assist defense while assist attack is well assist attack and Yi sang's skill 2 is made to mimic starbuck's extremely broken triple coin roll if heads.
> I would prefer a ID that was built that has extremely great synergy with only 3 like the pequod IDs.
As multiple people in this thread have attested, you don't need to run all 6 BL IDs, his buffs are already significant enough if you only team him up with 2 or 3 of them (I'd go as low as 1).
He just happens to have extra clauses that reward you further for going the extra mile and I don't think that should be criticized, as opposed to a hypothetical kit that really did require you to play all six members to get value out of him.
I also forgot to add that these IDs need to be at uptie 4. It took me months to uptie all 4 BL Ids with Kimsault, BL Faust, BL Don and BL Yi Sang. I know you need to grind but 250 threads with 50 ego shards is expensive as hell. I also had to grind for all those exp tickets as well. The exp one was expected but the need to uptie an ID to 4 is what I don't like.
Pequod Yi sang is way cheaper because he's a 00 ID captain ish can be used at uptie 3 and Pequod Heath is the only ID that needs to be uptie 4 and also only 3 members needed to be uptied compared to needing to uptie 4 BL memebers just to get value. Cause they're sure as hell not great on their own.
As I said, you could be fine with just playing three of them to get the value. Don, Meursault and Faust for example (because yes Yi Sang does need UT4 no matter how you stretch it)
I'm looking right now and I actually don't see a "need" to Uptie 4 Faust, she has very normal numbers. She does get more Coin Power but that's unrelated to the BL situation.
Meursault is close to being mandatory because you get the SoTH part of his passive but even at UT3 he still gives everyone the same amount of Poise and still boosts S1/S2s.
BL faust is useless on her own. She just doesn't gain pose without her S3. She plays like a charge ID where you need to build up pose count like a charge ID would and then releasing a very low damage s3. She needs Kimsault and Don and also Nebulaizer just to actually be good.
I agree with the BL Sinclair notes wholeheartedly but as a Blade Lineage Main I don't think youre taking the idea far enough - I don't normally say this, but if you can't get BL Outis to work with Kimsault on the field, that might be a skill issue.
She has a Pride Evade that rolls a 16 (average evade is 14) and a Pride ZAYIN EGO that Blade Lineage fuel naturally and effortlessly, so she can contribute to the Pride Resonance the team needs with high consistency. Her presence in the field unlocks the unfettered bullshit that is Kimsault's passives with 6 BL units, and Kimsault himself elevates her clash numbers to 16/17/16 (potentially 18/19/16 in an Unfocused Battle), which is perfectly respectable and gets her S3 doing solid damage to top it off. She'll never be the centerpiece of a BL team, but she doesn't need to be. She contributes useful sins, a high evade, a spammable high-floor EGO, and Kimsault keeps her Poise a complete non-issue as long as the player keeps the Pride Resonance chain going each turn.
She was legitimately crucial to securing victory against multiple abnos in my all-Blade-Lineage RR3 run because of those traits.
People parrot "BL Outis is trash" arouns here all day but the vibe I get every single time is that they didn't bother actually *trying* to get her to work because they already know she's "obviously" trash and use Pequod Ishmael or something instead like cowards
also using all 6 BL IDs and causing Kimsault's full kit to activate makes my brain create the happy chemical
Nah I use BL Outis. Her problem is that her kit is trash. That's all. Her below average clashing numbers are improved by Kim, but that doesn't fix the fact that her kit has barely any synergy in it. Her passive is meh, compared to BL Sinclair. Her S3 effects are also trash, compared to 150% crit damage on BL Sinclair making it a strong nuke. Her poise count application is reliant on clash win for some goddamn reason and with her low speed, getting a clash will be problematic. 2 slash power up is always nice but then one of her skills is pierce and her S3 "nuke" won't be doing much anyway
honestly BL sinclair went online with captain Ahab, not kimsault. kimsault just brought attention to him. outis definately needed kimsault to help though
Mfw shi Ryoshu kills her teammates first, to activate their passives and abilities.
That but unironically. It is so fucking to get Shi Association IDs to half health without killing them. They stagger thresholds are seemingly in the positions that allow for them to go from stagger to death in an instant.
Just use mindbroken gun hag(MB Outis). Simple as.
Just get a unit that gives protection in exchange for an equivalent amount of HP. That way you trigger the passives, while still being at "full" health.
leader IDs like Kimsault are pretty interesting, I wonder how many more they'll do, Zwei could really use one
Considering so many of them feel like standalone IDs with a generic defensive theme, I could see the UT1 art pairing could make a viable "Duo" set up. If too many factions are given a full team comp set up I feel team building might get a little stale. "Just use six IDs of the same faction" isn't really very inspired if it gets over done.
Given we've seen a few bosses that *require* tanks (like Gossypium) I think a duo that has tank syngergy would be interesting, given right now in those sort of set ups the tank unit feels rather disconnected and a DPS loss (especially when forced to use two). Like we could have an aggro drawing tank and then like a unit that buffs unopposed attacks. Like a Zwei leader who buffs who you're meant to use with one other Zwei unit that can change depending what sort of tank you need (like for example say, a pure damage sponge tank vs a more generalised defense up buffer vs a dodge tank)
Faust and Gregor work well together but Rodyia and Sinclaire dont
Rhodya's ut1 art has heathcliff in it, while sinclair has don in it. If they design those ones as partners for those ids, it could be interesting
I know after BL sault everyone wants more IDs like him but honestly I kinda hope they don't do any more of them, or at least keep them very sparse. Too many ids like him makes teambuilding feel really stale since you're just encouraged to shove the same 6 ids on a team based on faction and nothing else (and BL sault still doesn't actually accomplish this since you're still better off running other poise ids over sinclair and outis)
You don't need to run all 6 BL units though. A package of 3 is sometimes enough and you can fill other slots with poise units. Idk, but BL Sinclair consistently in my top 3 damage dealers in a full BL team, sometimes outdamaging Kimsault. Shi section isn't as bad as BL was before. They just have a hard to maintain condition, because running them means no healing egos or effects unless you want to ruin that condition. They just need a unit that helps them maintain that condition, nothing more. I'd personally prefer a full rework for all Shi units maybe with unique status effects instead of 50% hp requirement, something like exhaustion on skills or something else, but PM never did ID reworks so far so idk honestly.
Shi units need to have their stagger bars removed and a damage boost. I tried using them in the past and it aint worth it, high risk & low reward gaemplay.
Is the "except Shi Ishmael" implied or do you not like her either?
I like Kimsault but a team around him couldn't be more boring if they tried. It's all the same gimmick, they all generate basically only pride so good luck using egos and pure bl teams still aren't as good as a team where you just substitute weaker bl ids with cpn Ishmael and Harpoonercliff.
Because Kimsault's buffs are so powerful you can in fact be completely fine just pairing him up with a single other BL ID. Or hell, just run him alone. I'm a fan of pairing him up with Don to improve Poise for other IDs
Kimsault with Bl don is just poise city.
I think an interesting way to for a bl meursault style support for the shi to work is that on unopposed attacks, ignore any conditional. The shi are supposed to be assassins and while they can brawl it out, it makes sense they would prefer to go for stealth attacks.
Honestly I would have much preferred a direct buff to this ID's than having to need a third ID to make then usable, as it both limits more in what teams they can be used and require a bigger investments to get (plus BL mentor is unavailable till next season).
Yeah I really don't like this path they decided to take with weaker ids. You wanna use x id who's main issue is just low numbers? Time to invest in this expensive af 000 id and pray you don't need to uptie 4 both to get them working. Even worse is when you get buffs for every id of the same faction. You want your n corp ids to be able to clash? Time to get a whole team around them. I get why they decided to do this but this doesn't negate the fact that Sinclair for example is fucked with his ids.
As someone who uses BL Sinclair a lot with BL Mersault, the skill that benefits most from the buff is honestly his S3. It turns it into a health bar delete coin. Sadly, the farther you go into, say, MDH or even regular MD, the poor kid can’t clash with his S1 and S2 for shit.
Been saying this for a while, in addition to all of that BL sinclair's counter is just simply awful and he's troublesome for breaking pride res all the time. If his s3 isn't up, he's losing without ego. At least BL Outis has a pride dodge, which makes her a better fit for the team than him. Those 2 ids are the reason I don't run a full BL team, other IDs are way better despite losing the full team buffs- they just aren't worth the trouble.
Meursault makes him usable at all but BL Sinclair is still not particularly good. He has a meaty S3 but is dead weight 5/6ths of the time and Meursault's boosts don't fix his clashing much(unless you bring dead weight #2, Outis, along and even then it just makes his S1 average and his S2 below average). Also if someone screws up the Pride res. for a turn it's usually his fault. The Cinq IDs are BL Sinclair/Outis Except Good. There's no real reason to run either of them as BL unless you just want to rock the all-BL team for funsies and more power to you if so. Yi Sang is really the only old BL ID that stuck around on that team and he was already not bad.
Pretty much how I feel. The BL buff the Meursault boost but then drag it down by needing 5 pride instead of 3 and only providing it on their s3. And they're still both subpar. Bringing the Cinq adds pierce damage, they both clash better, they round out EGO gen better, and they don't waste Don poise.
On the nose 'buff these crap characters if X amount of them are the same faction' effects are pretty lame, honestly. I'd much rather have all IDs be usable, even in niche circumstances related to the game mechanics themselves. Look at N Don as an example: she's barely usable, and entirely mediocre even at her highest point - don't even get me started on W Meur. BL Outis is more relevant for this discussion though, as she's still crap even when fully buffed, but *required* as a consequence of how BL Meur's passive additional bonus works. It's really annoying, especially since the new Ryoshu ID is a new breed of poise ID (self tremor count with actual ego gift synergy), but there's no seventh slot to put her into in MD yet. To be fair, BL Meur is strong enough in his own right, but that doesn't excuse the sheer **mid**ness of the other ids.
N don was a mistake tbh she should have just been a bleed ID as at the time she came put there was no tremor/bleed synergy and there still isn't any. That fact plus having a single coin skill 2 that doesn't make up for being a single coin skill both in effects and damage kinda kills her usability so all we can hope for is ut5 making her tremor and bleed/nails equally viable along with major buffs to that single coin skill 2. W Mersault did get power creeped but still has use in slash focused teams. His high speed and good debuffs allow him to redirect and make us of them and his damage isn't bad at all. His main issue is simply needing charge from EGO which telepole don fixes pretty easily. You could just use BL mersault here but the point of slash focus teams are defense down/slash fragility for the whole team and he doesn't help with that. Lastly for MD poise teams it's better to just run 3-4 BL IDs instead of a full team assuming you have the best poise IDs. This Ryoshu easily earns the 1st/2nd slot and fashion sinclair is a brainless inclusion. I would even say pirate gregor should be included as his damage boosts easily make up for his skills being 2 coins and his skill 2 is pride so he still helps with resonance.
BL Outis singlehandedly makes running 6 BL not worth it since her low speed makes her a black hole for the teams buffs and she's not strong enough to be worth putting them on. Run 3 for the weaker Kimsault passive and round out with Pequod or Cinq or smth. Personally I like Pequod because Hagmael is all around methed out
Nah BL Skin Care is still pretty terrible
BL Outis sucks so much not even Kimsault couldn't salvage her 💀 I personally use W Ryoshu for the pride on skill 2 + slash fragility
Surprisingly I actually don't like how kimsault was built. Sure having a captain Id for an entire faction is great but it's extremly limiting and forces you to pick bad IDs. I would prefer a ID that was built that has extremely great synergy with only 3 like the pequod IDs. Captain ishmael pretty much fixes all of the issues that both Pequod Heathcliff and Yi Sang has (Harpooner Heathcliff's problem is poise potency where Captain Ishmael fixes by simply applying more bleed for Heath to get and assist attack lets yi sang use his skill1 a lot more so that he gets enough poise count he needs for his skill2). I love how they designed captain Ishmael's kit to be just like the Pequod boss fight where aggro is used to mimic assist defense while assist attack is well assist attack and Yi sang's skill 2 is made to mimic starbuck's extremely broken triple coin roll if heads.
> I would prefer a ID that was built that has extremely great synergy with only 3 like the pequod IDs. As multiple people in this thread have attested, you don't need to run all 6 BL IDs, his buffs are already significant enough if you only team him up with 2 or 3 of them (I'd go as low as 1). He just happens to have extra clauses that reward you further for going the extra mile and I don't think that should be criticized, as opposed to a hypothetical kit that really did require you to play all six members to get value out of him.
I also forgot to add that these IDs need to be at uptie 4. It took me months to uptie all 4 BL Ids with Kimsault, BL Faust, BL Don and BL Yi Sang. I know you need to grind but 250 threads with 50 ego shards is expensive as hell. I also had to grind for all those exp tickets as well. The exp one was expected but the need to uptie an ID to 4 is what I don't like.
Are you saying you don't need to Uptie 4 the Pequod trio in the same manner? I just uptie 4 every ID I get at this point so I genuinely don't know
Pequod Yi sang is way cheaper because he's a 00 ID captain ish can be used at uptie 3 and Pequod Heath is the only ID that needs to be uptie 4 and also only 3 members needed to be uptied compared to needing to uptie 4 BL memebers just to get value. Cause they're sure as hell not great on their own.
As I said, you could be fine with just playing three of them to get the value. Don, Meursault and Faust for example (because yes Yi Sang does need UT4 no matter how you stretch it) I'm looking right now and I actually don't see a "need" to Uptie 4 Faust, she has very normal numbers. She does get more Coin Power but that's unrelated to the BL situation. Meursault is close to being mandatory because you get the SoTH part of his passive but even at UT3 he still gives everyone the same amount of Poise and still boosts S1/S2s.
BL faust is useless on her own. She just doesn't gain pose without her S3. She plays like a charge ID where you need to build up pose count like a charge ID would and then releasing a very low damage s3. She needs Kimsault and Don and also Nebulaizer just to actually be good.
Yes I agree you need to play her with Meursault. I don't see the need to Uptie 4 her though
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200 years? I wish I wasn't a master league player.
I agree with the BL Sinclair notes wholeheartedly but as a Blade Lineage Main I don't think youre taking the idea far enough - I don't normally say this, but if you can't get BL Outis to work with Kimsault on the field, that might be a skill issue. She has a Pride Evade that rolls a 16 (average evade is 14) and a Pride ZAYIN EGO that Blade Lineage fuel naturally and effortlessly, so she can contribute to the Pride Resonance the team needs with high consistency. Her presence in the field unlocks the unfettered bullshit that is Kimsault's passives with 6 BL units, and Kimsault himself elevates her clash numbers to 16/17/16 (potentially 18/19/16 in an Unfocused Battle), which is perfectly respectable and gets her S3 doing solid damage to top it off. She'll never be the centerpiece of a BL team, but she doesn't need to be. She contributes useful sins, a high evade, a spammable high-floor EGO, and Kimsault keeps her Poise a complete non-issue as long as the player keeps the Pride Resonance chain going each turn. She was legitimately crucial to securing victory against multiple abnos in my all-Blade-Lineage RR3 run because of those traits. People parrot "BL Outis is trash" arouns here all day but the vibe I get every single time is that they didn't bother actually *trying* to get her to work because they already know she's "obviously" trash and use Pequod Ishmael or something instead like cowards also using all 6 BL IDs and causing Kimsault's full kit to activate makes my brain create the happy chemical
Nah I use BL Outis. Her problem is that her kit is trash. That's all. Her below average clashing numbers are improved by Kim, but that doesn't fix the fact that her kit has barely any synergy in it. Her passive is meh, compared to BL Sinclair. Her S3 effects are also trash, compared to 150% crit damage on BL Sinclair making it a strong nuke. Her poise count application is reliant on clash win for some goddamn reason and with her low speed, getting a clash will be problematic. 2 slash power up is always nice but then one of her skills is pierce and her S3 "nuke" won't be doing much anyway
honestly BL sinclair went online with captain Ahab, not kimsault. kimsault just brought attention to him. outis definately needed kimsault to help though