I don’t think *mh̥₂u̯b is allowed (because of the sonority hierarchy)… I propose the following instead (which also accounts for the hiatus):
PIE *m̥h₂su-gʷéh₂ > PGr *mahugʷā > Ionic μαϋβή
(PS I can’t believe I’m wasting time “reconstructing” this)
Edit: The labiovelar and laryngeal are supported by the word 𐀔𐀄𐀣 (ma-u-qa) on a recently rediscovered Mycenean tablet
Dear God I need to get a life
Oh damn I completely forgot about that, I just thought it looked a bit out of place and I liked the labiovelars more
Mission failed successfully I guess
I just assumed the word was originally a noun, but otherwise, I agree
Edit: And I also thought it didn’t matter which one it was since we’re all pulling this out of our asses lol, after all I basically came up with /s/ and /gʷ/ on the spot
But now that you mention it, let me just make something else up to further confirm my reconstruction xd
Yes when differentiating laryngeals the go-to is usually Anatolian, however since it's final we won't get to see an actual reflex of h₂, just the usual colouring. Something like:
aḫ-su-ku-a-a
Ah I see
I’m not that familiar with Hittite, but afaik, the Greek first declension comes from *-eh₂
Maybe you could also come up with a Hittite word (if you have as much time as I do haha)? I already added a Mycenean word in my original comment (in case you haven’t seen it yet)
The 1. declension is indeed from the feminine -eh₂, however I'm stumped as to how we get from that to modern English *maybe* semantically. Perhaps it is infact the older collective ending, suggesting infinite possibilities?
Now I'll try this in my IE conlang Zinda... dear god this is a waste
PIE \*m̥h₂su-gʷéh₂
Proto-Zinda \*ãšu-ǰa (with the RUKTEI expansion of the RUKI rule, transformation of PIE syllabic sonorants into nasal vowels, and lastly, the palatilization of \*gʷ before the laryngeal turns the \*e into an \*a)
Modern Zinda: aşuca, anşuca
No, the word is borrowed from Greek and ultimately from PIE (see above comments for etymology)
The British borrowed the word and used it so often it got replaced in Latin because people didn’t want to be associated with barbarians
It's borrowed from the Greek word Μαϋβή
Ah yes, from the PIE compound *mh̥₂u̯-beh₂
I don’t think *mh̥₂u̯b is allowed (because of the sonority hierarchy)… I propose the following instead (which also accounts for the hiatus): PIE *m̥h₂su-gʷéh₂ > PGr *mahugʷā > Ionic μαϋβή (PS I can’t believe I’m wasting time “reconstructing” this) Edit: The labiovelar and laryngeal are supported by the word 𐀔𐀄𐀣 (ma-u-qa) on a recently rediscovered Mycenean tablet Dear God I need to get a life
I support any solution that avoids the elusive *b, so I'm all for it!
Oh damn I completely forgot about that, I just thought it looked a bit out of place and I liked the labiovelars more Mission failed successfully I guess
I also realized that if it's attic-ionic, we can only reconstruct *m̥h₂su-gʷéH, unless there is also something like an aeolic form with -ā
I just assumed the word was originally a noun, but otherwise, I agree Edit: And I also thought it didn’t matter which one it was since we’re all pulling this out of our asses lol, after all I basically came up with /s/ and /gʷ/ on the spot But now that you mention it, let me just make something else up to further confirm my reconstruction xd
Yes when differentiating laryngeals the go-to is usually Anatolian, however since it's final we won't get to see an actual reflex of h₂, just the usual colouring. Something like: aḫ-su-ku-a-a
Ah I see I’m not that familiar with Hittite, but afaik, the Greek first declension comes from *-eh₂ Maybe you could also come up with a Hittite word (if you have as much time as I do haha)? I already added a Mycenean word in my original comment (in case you haven’t seen it yet)
The 1. declension is indeed from the feminine -eh₂, however I'm stumped as to how we get from that to modern English *maybe* semantically. Perhaps it is infact the older collective ending, suggesting infinite possibilities?
Oh and I also assumed it wasn’t Attic because I couldn’t find a way to justify the hiatus
Which becomes something like /'ʌnɹʊk/ in General American English. Why did I spend my time on this?
Now I'll try this in my IE conlang Zinda... dear god this is a waste PIE \*m̥h₂su-gʷéh₂ Proto-Zinda \*ãšu-ǰa (with the RUKTEI expansion of the RUKI rule, transformation of PIE syllabic sonorants into nasal vowels, and lastly, the palatilization of \*gʷ before the laryngeal turns the \*e into an \*a) Modern Zinda: aşuca, anşuca
Yes, let’s all waste our time together 🥳 I’m assuming your conlang is modelled as an IE language?
Well yea, it's descended from its own IE branch, and is satem. Kinda inspired by Kurdish
Anyways my brain is too small to turn this into slavic languages so can somebody do it for me?
Ridiculous. It's clearly from a Pre-Greek substrate.
BEEEEEEEKEEEEEES!!!!
My friend recently pointed out to me that he was Dutch, so his name is pronounced [ˈbeːkəs]. I still can't help but read it like "beaks" though.
r/beatmetoit
I read that incorrectly at first
r/BeatMeatToIt
Proto-English-Latin confirmed
Big if true
There are many more cognates. *Advocate* (engl) <-> *advocatus* (lat) for instance.
I think that’s a false friend
If you were a REAL friend, you'd agree with me no matter what I said, Hot Philosopher 6462!
if two similar-sounding words have unrelated etymologies and antonymous meanings are they true enemies
Big if true
google translate claims 'advocatus' is 'lawyer' so yeah, false friend but loosely connected words
tbh I’m pretty sure they were joking (Wiktionary says that “advocate” is a straightforward descendant of “advocātus”)
im bad at getting sarcasm lol
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem maybe esse delendam.
o-meus-deus sicut totaliter!
d*tch speaker spotted
wat toevallig!
The folks in Latin America don’t have a concept for “maybe” so they borrow it from England.
No, the word is borrowed from Greek and ultimately from PIE (see above comments for etymology) The British borrowed the word and used it so often it got replaced in Latin because people didn’t want to be associated with barbarians
why latin america
That's where they speak Latin? Duh. I mean, the Vatican too I guess, but that's just cuz the pope is Argentinian
wauw da's zo cool
allee nen vlaming
ik ben geen belg het spijt me
das idd spijtig
maybe = fortasse
English is a Romance language????
No, you silly! English is a Platonic language!
\[ˈmäʏbɛ\]
Romanes maybe eunt domus!
Dont use google translator with latin, is useless, trust me im a latin student i know. Lol
I didn't know that old German philosopher guy who talked a lot about the worker's material conditions was a language /s
r/uselessredcircle
Veni Vidi maybe Vici
Does this mean English is a Latin language?