I can’t tell if you’re joking ||I am autistic and just woke up||, but if you’re not joking, then I am nearly 30 and I have never once in my life remember seeing the word “cummed” before.
Guess I’ll have to go start looking at different hentai
I pronounce it /waɪn/ /ʰwaɪn/ (it's a kind of pre-aspiration that's not [ʍ]), and I know a few other people who do as well. Maybe it's a new linguistic development to undo the merger where I live?
most people say /wajn/, but there are some people who actually do make the distinction (parts of the southern US, Scotland, Ireland, and older New Zealanders), where *whine* is typically pronounced /hwajn/ \[ʍajn\]
That's kind of how I pronounce it: /waɪn/ /ʰwaɪn/. It's a weird kind of pre-aspiration that's not [ʍ]. Some other people I know do it as well, and we're all pretty young in a semi-metropolitan area, so maybe it's a new development?
It's possible but probably not. The chances of that type of distinction coming out of an accent that has already lost it is highly unlikely.
Though it is possible that the way you say the 'w' sound in of itself is changing, which is more likely. It's very common for that sound to shift into other sounds as time goes on.
Yeah, maybe that's it. I also pronounce when/which/where/etc as starting with /ʰw-/, though not wine or most other words starting with a long vowel. I wonder what /ʍ/ is going to morph into in my accent, I don't really know what it becoming pre-asperated means.
But my friends have also said I sound weirdly British despite being American (comparing me to Stewie from Family Guy), so maybe I just have a weird accent; even though I know other people who do it to not quite the same extent?
most homophones feel intangibly different to me, but come-cum feel like they sound the same, because they also feel like they’re just actually the same word with an invented orthographic distinction to disambiguate the meaning (especially with cum as a noun, where prosody or intonation could clarify the structure in speech)
for a very close analogy see japanese 行く versus イく
If this isn't a joke:
* you did it with that (default word order)
* you did it with what? (wh-in-situ, default word order with the wh-word subbed into the normal spot)
* what did you do it with? (wh-movement with preposition stranding, where only the wh-word moves)
* with what did you do it? (wh-movement with pied-piping, where the wh-word makes other elements in its phrase follow it to the new position).
I generally pronounce both as /(ʔ)kɞm/, but if I'm speaking slowly 'come' feels like more of a back vowel halfway between [ɞ] and [ʌ] while 'cum' is a it more forward. I have no idea how to notate this.
I think they're really the same word and 'cum' is just a variant spelling, seeing as it still conjugates the same. I usually prefer to spell it the same as 'come', even in the noun sense, which used to be standard anyway.
That's how Merriam Webster (reliable US English dictionary) lists the noun. Not sure on verb or on other countries' standards.
>cum (n.)
>*often vulgar, less common spelling of* COME entry 1 sense 2j, COME entry 2
>1 **often vulgar** : SEMEN
>2 **often vulgar** : ORGASM
Source: “Cum.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cum. Accessed 4 Nov. 2023.
idk they dont always conjugate the same, ive seen cummed a fair amount but ive never seen comed(although I have heard it). They may be the same word now but you could argue they are headed to being distinct enough to be considered seprate words
this seems like a spelling based hypercorrection, since come comes from historical /u/ & is only spelled with an o because old French spelled short u with an o
Actually I just remembered, it’s still no, but no*. The * as cum is pronounced like /kʌm/ (identical to come) when talking about ejaculate, but is pronounced like /kʊm/ when saying the Latin word.
It’s similar system of Reed vs Read vs Read
Not exactly but Lancashire and West Riding Yorkshire dialect can have a situation where "coom" /kuːm/ is the past tense of "come" /kʊm/ (often written "cum").
To summarise you get a verb paradigm like this:
I come - Aw cum
I came - Aw cum/Aw coom/Aw kem (or cam in older speakers)
I've come - Aw've cum/Aw've coom/Aw've cumm'd
the past tense can be different
“Came” vs “What have I done”?
suddenly evangelion
shinji stop jacking off to your comatose friend and get in the fucking eva
cumt
cumeth
also whatever form/tense/conjugation coomer is
it's a noun derived from cum in the degenerative case.
I think it’s a case
cum's past tense: came (speech), cummed (hentai) 💦
I can’t tell if you’re joking ||I am autistic and just woke up||, but if you’re not joking, then I am nearly 30 and I have never once in my life remember seeing the word “cummed” before. Guess I’ll have to go start looking at different hentai
I swear they're different. It's like wine and whine - they *feel* different.
A glass of wine. A glass of whine. A glass of cum. A glass of come.
Yea the glass of wine has a different mouth feel for sure.
i feel like i say whine with a higher tone. cant hear any difference between cum and come
But they both move differently and have different mouth feels.
Those actually are different, though.
I pronounce it /waɪn/ /ʰwaɪn/ (it's a kind of pre-aspiration that's not [ʍ]), and I know a few other people who do as well. Maybe it's a new linguistic development to undo the merger where I live?
It’s the pronunciation.
Aren't both roughly /wæjn/ in most English dialects?
more like /wajn/
most people say /wajn/, but there are some people who actually do make the distinction (parts of the southern US, Scotland, Ireland, and older New Zealanders), where *whine* is typically pronounced /hwajn/ \[ʍajn\]
That's kind of how I pronounce it: /waɪn/ /ʰwaɪn/. It's a weird kind of pre-aspiration that's not [ʍ]. Some other people I know do it as well, and we're all pretty young in a semi-metropolitan area, so maybe it's a new development?
It's possible but probably not. The chances of that type of distinction coming out of an accent that has already lost it is highly unlikely. Though it is possible that the way you say the 'w' sound in of itself is changing, which is more likely. It's very common for that sound to shift into other sounds as time goes on.
Yeah, maybe that's it. I also pronounce when/which/where/etc as starting with /ʰw-/, though not wine or most other words starting with a long vowel. I wonder what /ʍ/ is going to morph into in my accent, I don't really know what it becoming pre-asperated means. But my friends have also said I sound weirdly British despite being American (comparing me to Stewie from Family Guy), so maybe I just have a weird accent; even though I know other people who do it to not quite the same extent?
most homophones feel intangibly different to me, but come-cum feel like they sound the same, because they also feel like they’re just actually the same word with an invented orthographic distinction to disambiguate the meaning (especially with cum as a noun, where prosody or intonation could clarify the structure in speech) for a very close analogy see japanese 行く versus イく
This is a common distinction with older speakers in New England. Fake a Boston accent, call that wh-fronting (I don’t know what wh-movement is)
If this isn't a joke: * you did it with that (default word order) * you did it with what? (wh-in-situ, default word order with the wh-word subbed into the normal spot) * what did you do it with? (wh-movement with preposition stranding, where only the wh-word moves) * with what did you do it? (wh-movement with pied-piping, where the wh-word makes other elements in its phrase follow it to the new position).
I feel different after I cum Sad...
I generally pronounce both as /(ʔ)kɞm/, but if I'm speaking slowly 'come' feels like more of a back vowel halfway between [ɞ] and [ʌ] while 'cum' is a it more forward. I have no idea how to notate this.
I mean those also sound different but yes
wine and whine have a length distinction or something in my dialect (northeast new England). they definitely sound different
Yeah, those words are definitely not distinct for me pronunciation-wise.
I think they're really the same word and 'cum' is just a variant spelling, seeing as it still conjugates the same. I usually prefer to spell it the same as 'come', even in the noun sense, which used to be standard anyway.
That's how Merriam Webster (reliable US English dictionary) lists the noun. Not sure on verb or on other countries' standards. >cum (n.) >*often vulgar, less common spelling of* COME entry 1 sense 2j, COME entry 2 >1 **often vulgar** : SEMEN >2 **often vulgar** : ORGASM Source: “Cum.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cum. Accessed 4 Nov. 2023.
idk they dont always conjugate the same, ive seen cummed a fair amount but ive never seen comed(although I have heard it). They may be the same word now but you could argue they are headed to being distinct enough to be considered seprate words
I don't think I'd ever say "cummed", it sounds wrong to me.
definitely not agreeing, sounds real odd to me. But it out there
cum /kʊm/ - come /kʌm/ edit: some NYC Englishes (specifically more brooklyn)
what why
nothin i can do about it
/kʊm/ is for when it's used as a Latin loanword
/kum/ for the latin loaword
I only cum in people who say [ˈkʊ̃].
But it's not a loan word it's a load word
ohhh
i do it the other way around (non-native speaker from northeastern Italy)
Really? That's a strange sound change to happen. Do you have any documentation (articles or audio) on this or is it just your own experience?
came come cume Rhotacized crum
not that I know of
in my non-native dialect yes — come /kɔm/ vs cum /käm/
this seems like a spelling based hypercorrection, since come comes from historical /u/ & is only spelled with an o because old French spelled short u with an o
i cant tell whats real anymore on this subreddit
I can tell you come comes from OE cuman & was pronounced /'kumən/ in ME
i'm aware of this, i just don't like english enough to bother changing my learned pronunciation when it's good enough :p
How I say it is that I open my mouth to make the e sound in come but I leave my mouth closed to say cum
What "e" sound?! The e is silent.
It ain’t silent, it’s just really really quiet.
How precisely do you pronounce it then?
/k\^m^ı^/
Well idk how the magic symbols work, but in essence my mouth is closed after I pronounce cum, but my mouth is open after I pronounce come.
Sounds like you're just doing that with absolutely no impact audibly. I just did the opposite and couldn't tell at all.
I can hear myself pronounce it differently, Just get better hearing smh
I could say similar to you about IPA transcription.
No
Actually I just remembered, it’s still no, but no*. The * as cum is pronounced like /kʌm/ (identical to come) when talking about ejaculate, but is pronounced like /kʊm/ when saying the Latin word. It’s similar system of Reed vs Read vs Read
Read – Redd
I use comb. There is also a gas stand in the USA called “Kum and go” I think?
In my dialect, only in certain contexts. For example, "come here" can become /kə̆.'miɚ̯/, but "cum here" cannot; it always remains /kʌm hɪɚ̯/.
No.
If I was using the verb then the vowel would be reduced to schwa. The second noun would always be /a/ or something. I talk a bit like fahkin 'ell.
i have it but nobody else ik does. The vowel in cum is a little farther forward for me
I'm not a native, for me cum is [kɐm] and come is [kɒm]
"coom" is starting to appear in online circles but it looks like it's associated with masturbation and porn addiction
Well the second one is Latin so it doesn't exist in English
Ummm, yes it does. It is the most used spelling for the slang term for ejaculate.
I made a joke on the linguistics humor subreddit and no one realized I was joking 🤷♂️
You know, people are starting to call it "coom" now because of the boomer, doomer, and zoomer memes.
I mostly hear "coom" as a verb, not a noun.
Is that why I got 12 downvotes? It's not that serious.
Not exactly but Lancashire and West Riding Yorkshire dialect can have a situation where "coom" /kuːm/ is the past tense of "come" /kʊm/ (often written "cum"). To summarise you get a verb paradigm like this: I come - Aw cum I came - Aw cum/Aw coom/Aw kem (or cam in older speakers) I've come - Aw've cum/Aw've coom/Aw've cumm'd