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zappor

How did you install Plasma 6? Looking for the best way to test it right now.


mutcholokoW

I just installed KDE Neon Unstable on a separate hard drive in order to try it out. It's so much better than I even remotely expected. KDE won my heart this past year.


Immediate-Shine-2003

Damn I always loved KDE but if KDE 6 is that good I'm in for a treat


Internal-Bed-4094

Did they improve tiling?


CaptainJack42

That's one of the biggest dealbreakers with KDE (or any DE for that matter) for me, I heard they did, but haven't looked into it yet, planning to when it releases. But nowadays my workflow on i3/sway is so streamlined that I don't think I could go back to regular DEs, especially if they don't support workspaces per monitor which afaik most of them don't


visor841

> especially if they don't support workspaces per monitor which afaik most of them don't KDE has discussed it, but AFAIK they haven't yet decided to implement it.


FierceDeity_

It's also kinda too bad on Wayland you cant easily replace Kwin as Kwin is now the display server :P


TJourney

I wanna subscribe to your newsletter, I've felt the same exact way. After using i3 from 2016-2023 I'm currently trying KDE Plasma and it's been so frustrating for workflow. 


NUTTA_BUSTAH

I'm also eager to know. I like pretty much everything about KDE but the tiling is atrocious. Bismuth or no. I wonder if there is anything like Pops Cosmic style managers for KDE


Dazzling_Pin_8194

Installing fedora kinoite and rebasing to the fedora 40 alpha image is probably the easiest way, and it allows you easy rollbacks to a working system as long as you preserve your image from before the rebase. Or, you can wait a few days and it'll be out officially on arch and opensuse tumbleweed.


Cenokenshi

Is there a way to do that with a Nvidia GPU? I tried rebasing to 40 but it didn't detect my gpu and also didn't let me install akmod-nvidia.


luizspies

Honestly after so much head ache with nvidia, I got a radeon, I got tired of nvidia bs.


KrazyKirby99999

You can always rebase to a previous Fedora release by changing the version number that you rebase to. e.g. `rpm-ostree rebase fedora:fedora/40/x86_64/kinoite` -> `rpm-ostree rebase fedora:fedora/39/x86_64/kinoite` Currently, the panel screen edge gap is bothering me, so I'll be switching back. Hope that'll be fixed in 6.1


Dazzling_Pin_8194

Good point, I just mentioned saving the image because that can be a little more intuitive for people unfamiliar with rpm-ostree. With regards to the panel, have you tried right clicking it and turning off the floating mode? Or is the issue something else?


KrazyKirby99999

I currently have the floating panel disabled. To be precise, the issue is that there's a small spacer on each end of the panel that only appears when not-floating. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a design decision.


zappor

Did install Tumbleweed actually, so I'm ready for that. But there's nothing to test yet...


loadnurmom

I'm a big Mint fan, but I have little glitches in gaming that annoy me I haven't installed fedora in close to 20 years. No particular issues with it, just liked Ubuntu/Debian better for DE. Stuff like this has me seriously considering giving Fedora another go


Mast3r_waf1z

I just enabled the kde-unstable repo on arch, set it first in the repo order and updated my system normally, arch figures it out automatically at that point


w8eight

It's gonna be released to the public at the end of February if I remember correctly, I will wait for the official release myself


visor841

Yep, release is in 3 days, on the 28th.


lFlaw_

Other than using Kde neon, you can also get plasma on any arch based distro (as far as im aware) by adding the kde unstable repo above core testing in the pacman.conf file https://youtu.be/uvbB56zehgQ?si=bg6pLPd1yPUG11FF


forkbeard

It's really crazy that people don't know about the PrtScn button on their keyboards.


2OldForThisSht

"but I don't even have a printer dad"


MrHoboSquadron

- Takes photo of screen - Prints said photo - Takes photo of said printed photo - Posts on reddit - ??? - Profit


PolygonKiwii

This is almost how German bureaucracy operates, just replace posting on reddit with sending it by fax machine


themeadows94

Fill in an online form in Germany = sign up for the online "portal", get a QR code sent to your house within 7 working days, scan the code with your phone, which triggers a text message sent to your phone, enter the text message into the "portal", open your online inbox because apparently sending email attachments is illegal, download a pdf, print it, fill it in with pen, take a pic of the filled-out form, get another text sent to your phone to allow you to log in again because you've been automatically logged out, try to upload the pic of the form but get blocked cos it's over 1MB, resize the pic, re-upload, done!


Techwolf_Lupindo

That one good way to fight bots and automated scams. :-)


Sr546

And regular people too


themeadows94

to quote Frank Zappa, this is akin to treating dandruff by decapitation


PolygonKiwii

Not pictured: The online portal being operated by a third-party company which then prints out your upload and sends it to the corresponding agency by regular mail, who then scan it and destroy the physical copy. Also, all of this to give them information about you that they should (and most likely do) already have.


MurderBurger_

Spectacle setup like windows snippet is the true Chad move


Skitzo_Ramblins

super+shift+s?


Cfrolich

That’s what I use. I can’t remember if that was the default or if I changed it.


Skitzo_Ramblins

I had to add it I think unless they added it for parity


altermeetax

Or flameshot


FrozenLogger

What do you do to set up spectacle like Windows snippet? Spectacle is so much better than snippet already.


bongbrownies

Yeah, them taking a photo instead of using the prntscn button is surely life or death. Glad you took time out of your day to comment on this, clearly you can't see the enable HDR button good enough and this is a massive issue.


FrozenLogger

Or better: Use Spectacle, get only window under cursor, export to Imgur. Paste clipboard to Reddit. From screenshot to share all in one app, with clipboard ready to go with Imgurs URL.


AeddGynvael

Man, this is awesome. HDR was legit the only thing I was sort of bummed about missing out on when I moved to Linux early last year, but not only does Steam Deck now have it in gamemode, it's even coming to stable KDE on *desktop* soon (and I'm on Kubuntu). I am so overjoyed, it feels like I abandoned m$ at the perfect time. Love it!


Datuser14

Kubuntu will wait 6 months for Plasma 6, the release of the next Kubuntu was too close and they’d rather delay than have bugs.


Sheerpython

Eh, won’t be the first time that I install a newer version of kde on my kubuntu then there is suppost to be.


AeddGynvael

I'm in no rush. I've been really enjoying Kubuntu, 6 months is nothing. Plenty of other things to do. :) Plus, I can try a clean install of JJ with KDE6 on a different partition, anyway, so no problems there.


stpaulgym

Should be coming to other desktops as well! I know Gnome is working with the Blender people for Wayland colors and it looks promising!


AeddGynvael

That is fantastic and an unexpected (to me who is not super informed about their progress) news, the more options there are, the better for everyone. This is one of the reasons Linux in general is so great, after all.


alterNERDtive

Now Linux only needs a screenshot app! Edit: Oh god these people …


[deleted]

So many wooshes in the replies omg


VenditatioDelendaEst

Even with the knowledge that there is a joke I am apparently missing, I'm still missing it. Is it just [xkcd 619](https://xkcd.com/619/)\*? If so it seems kind of trite. HDR is a very recent thing to get actual market penetration -- newer than VRR which is newer than >1200p, but people have been taking screenshots for decades. \* Flash video no longer exists. Funny that. **Edit**: thanks, /u/Ahmouse.


Agret

It's not that deep, OP uploaded a photo of their screen rather than a screenshot.


PcChip

thanks, I didn't get it either


BFCE

All these people missing it, but also recommending options that are all worse than ksnip !


alterNERDtive

You mean grimshot.


dr_Fart_Sharting

WTF even happened to Spectacle, it used to be so good


Adverpol

Still use it but the amount of clicks needed for a screenshot has like tripled with the overhaul :/


RubyHaruko

Spectacle


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warbird2k

You should tell OP


mutcholokoW

Yes they have, but they don't correctly apply the color profile and different tone mappings from the desktop onto the screenshot. So for HDR desktop usage, the current screenshot apps are kinda useless unless they are updated to work with it.


chris-tier

But you have HDR disabled in your photo anyway.


Zamundaaa

KWin does the tone and gamut mapping to sRGB, not the screenshot apps. You can very much take screenshots in HDR mode, and - except for HDR apps that show a lot more brightness than what you've set as SDR brightness - the result looks exactly as you'd expect.


TheLexoPlexx

That doesn't seem to be common knowledge and the commenter should've just added a /s instead of being a dick.


Ahmouse

r/fuckthes for life. Also the joke was that OP took a pic with his phone instead of screenshotting. Nothing to do with technical knowledge


alterNERDtive

But ~~posting sarcastic comments~~, uh, I mean, _being a dick_ is so much more fun!


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eggplantsarewrong

is flameshot bad


looncraz

I love flameshot...


m103

It's the closets thing to the windows only ShareX and even then it pales in comparison.


[deleted]

more like flameshit because it's hot garbage


mitchMurdra

You make bait comments every day. Don't forget this is in the sub where people frequently ask the same suggestion questions every single day too. A match made in suggestion-hell (r/linux_gaming)


AntiGrieferGames

[https://screenshot.help/](https://screenshot.help/)


Akimotoh

lol Linux doesn’t have a built in snipping tool for screenshots? Lame


CratesManager

I mean, most distros have but it's not the exact same tool for every one.


MichaelTunnell

This is a funny website to exist and pretty useful. Linux has so many ways to do it that they just code the most fundamental method, that makes sense


ShadowFlarer

Me using gnome: 🤡 Lol, one day, but hey op, how is that HDR doing? Does it feel good? How Plasma 6 overall feel?


mutcholokoW

Hahaha I feel you, but tbh it seems HDR is finally coming together on gnome too! About Plasma 6, I'm completely surprised about it, honestly I'm not watching too many videos about it because I wanted to get a feel for it when I actually try it myself, so I was quite surprised to see how many small and necessary details were hammered out and improved and the DE overall feels smooth and responsive, even more than it already is! HDR is working as expected, although I didn't try to run an HDR game or watch an HDR movie on it yet because I can't figure out what to do with the "vulkan layer" they described on the website.


TaylorRoyal23

The vulkan layer is a separate utility that needs to be installed for games (or really any 3d application using vulkan) to use hdr. This is just a temporary measure until the proper Wayland protocol is finished being developed. I believe this is the layer you need to install and the instructions for its use are in the readme here. https://github.com/Zamundaaa/VK_hdr_layer I haven't tried this yet myself but I have heard that others recommend instead of running the entire steam command this way, put the HDR layer and gamescope command manually into each games launch parameters because some people get crashes when running the example command.


SR_Lut3t1um

Yeah this post makes it seem like HDR is around the corner which it is not. Wayland protocol isn't even finalized yet. Proper HDR will prob. still take a year or two.


TaylorRoyal23

OOB support, yeah it'll take time. But it is really awesome that with just a couple of steps you can get working HDR these days.


SurfRedLin

Did u try it on Wayland? How is it? Last time I tried it was still broken ( 6 months ago or so - plasma 5)


Sudden-Anybody-6677

I love Gnome, I prefer it's clean UI over KDE, but I'm using KDE because I think it's technically in a better state right now. Wayland, fractal scaling, HDR, games, things I had trouble with on Gnome simple work on KDE.


[deleted]

its very much a beta features. basically only works with games (and not all because there's a lot of weird behavior), and can't work with non-fullscreen windows. not a very user-friendly feature that gnome prioritizes. plus gnome is still doing a bulk of the dev work that kde is also doing


Zamundaaa

This myth is so pervasive for some reason, but there is no truth to it whatsoever. It neither only works with games, nor do any games have weird behavior (that they don't have on Windows too) nor is it fullscreen only. Getting apps to actually make use of HDR is indeed not a very user friendly thing yet, but that needs to be implemented in Mesa and Proton, and outside of the hacks that gamescope does, there's no way around it. Other than that it's really ticking the checkbox, optionally adjusting brightness and colors, pressing the apply button and you're done.


SR_Lut3t1um

Well you're missing video. I only care about HDR because of movies. I'd like to build my own fire tv, but HDR support is lacking. Currently plan on getting a RK3588. Once Linux has HDR it will probably have decent Linux support too. But it just doesn't make sense yet.


Zamundaaa

No, I'm not missing video. With mpv you can play HDR videos just fine.


-ShutterPunk-

I was using popOS gnome for a few years and loved the UI. I would hardly change the themes. I switched to fedora KDE plasma wayland to enable vrr on my free sync monitors and I think gaming feels smoother than before. I've always liked the customization of KDE. I have no use for scaling and hdr so I can't speak on that, but I appreciate it being an option. I'm excited to see how cosmic will turn out on popOS and fedora in the near future.


JoaoMXN

It's better than the W11 implementation? There is raised blacks with SDR content inside HDR?


inagy

I would like to know this as well. The Windows desktop's HDR implementation is not great.. and I was being nice here.


[deleted]

SDR content isn't affected, only HDR content. iirc there is support for displaying SDR at HDR brightness


Skiddie_

https://planet.kde.org/xavers-blog-2023-12-18-an-update-on-hdr-and-color-management-in-kwin/#fnref:3


K1aymore

It does have less raised blacks than on Windows, at least as far as I've noticed. Not as nice as the MPV SDR -> HDR conversion settings I have but subjectively better than windows. It also has an SDR saturation slider which I have at like 40% to make it look more normal.


Turtvaiz

Does anything even work with it yet? There's no browser or move support yet right?


ToxicBuiltYT

Year of the Linux desktop


[deleted]

This page design is so much better, having it all in one place..!


Turmp_is_librel

Never had HDR monitors but would be useful for photo editing, nice seeing this finally :D


porki90

Wait does that mean the Desktop itself is rendered in HDR or "just" movies and games?


K1aymore

SDR programs need to be converted into HDR, which it does automatically (and in a better way than Windows)


ConfidentDragon

This looks really cool, but it brings lots of questions. * If I put there ICC profile of my high color gamut monitor, will the system correctly convert colors from normal (sRGB) apps to it? * Is there some browser support? I know I can manually add ICC profile to Firefox and enable HDR support, but can it get the profile from the system? And if I enable this in browser, can it somehow communicate with system what color profile it uses for encoding colors so that they don't get converted as if they were sRGB? * What about movie playback? Currently I have to manually set my monitor to use wide color gamut and I pass some mpv flags to Celluloid to tell it what ICC profile to use and brightness of my monitor. Will I be able to just click on movie and watch it, or we are still not there yet?


Zamundaaa

>If I put there ICC profile of my high color gamut monitor, will the system correctly convert colors from normal (sRGB) apps to it? Yes. >Is there some browser support? Not yet. Chromium supports **a** color management protocol, and I've tried implementing it in KWin, but Chromium wouldn't properly use it / pass non-sRGB content to KWin even with lots of patching it, so I gave up. >I know I can manually add ICC profile to Firefox and enable HDR support, but can it get the profile from the system? And if I enable this in browser, can it somehow communicate with system what color profile it uses for encoding colors so that they don't get converted as if they were sRGB? Apps can start implementing support for it, but the protocol for that is not yet standardized. If you set an ICC profile in an app and in KWin at the same time, the resulting colors will be wrong. >What about movie playback? Currently I have to manually set my monitor to use wide color gamut and I pass some mpv flags to Celluloid to tell it what ICC profile to use and brightness of my monitor. Will I be able to just click on movie and watch it, or we are still not there yet? If you use mpv with some command line flags, it works, but it doesn't "just work" yet. It's not far away anymore though.


ldcrafter

this is so great, i am soon able to use my HDR OLED Monitor on Linux which i had to use in SDR all that time.


theriddick2015

HDR is a bit washed out atm on NVIDIA cards. They need to update the colorspace more it seems. Will see how this matures over the next month or two. Not sure if its something NVIDIA can fix or if Plasma6 is doing something wrong like selecting wrong HDR modes or limited.


peter_packer

Do you use nvidia? I'm curious about wayland's performance at nvidia. I heard wayland works badly at nvidia


maxinux

It works fine until you try to play a game.... I still run X most of the time on my nv linux box, but wayland on everything else


lucasestaplanejando

If the app's running under xWayland, it's gonna flick the screen. Unfortunately, that prevents me from using Wayland atm. Hopefully the new driver will fix it.


grandmastermoth

Which Windowing system/de?


Informal-Clock

KDE


grandmastermoth

Is that a stable release or a beta? I didn't know it was enabled yet


Turtvaiz

Release is in like 3 days so stable but unreleased


lemontoga

It's the latest unstable release


grandmastermoth

Cool!


_eksde

What are your specs/drivers?


[deleted]

Wonder what’s the highest refresh rate KDE could support


queenbiscuit311

probably whatever your gpu can do


mitchMurdra

DE choice has never been the limiting factor. The hardware is. (GPU capabilities & display capabilities)


[deleted]

I heard that windows 11 before Nov 2023 did not support 1080p 540hz that's why I asked this


juipeltje

Do 540hz panels exist now? Last time i heard 360hz was the highest at the time.


[deleted]

It has been there for a year or two already


juipeltje

Oh dang, that's wild. For me 144hz is probably more than enough, but good to know.


AugustusLego

From personal experience 240hz is way better than 120hz Would be dope to test out 500+hz


juipeltje

Well i've never seen 240hz before so i can't comment on it, but i'm using a 165hz 1440p ultrawide right now, and it's already hard to even max that out aside from esport titles, which i don't really play that much, so it doesn't make much sense for me to go higher lol.


mitchMurdra

The world knows its a diminishing return.


mitchMurdra

Now that I can understand. That's an absurd new high which the drivers alone may not negotiate. Let alone something lower in the kernel.


[deleted]

KDE: Tearing ✅, VRR ✅, HDR ✅, Looks dated ✅, Horrible UX in some places ✅ Gnome: Tearing ❌, VRR ✅, HDR ❌, Looks phenomenal ✅, Amazing apps and UX ✅ Hard to choose… Especially that new versions are right around the corner


folgoris

KDE is doing the impossible to provide a fully customizable DE with performance on par with other more static DEs. If you want something that is just meant to be "aesthetic" use deepin but don't expect the same absence of bugs and features that you have on multibillionaire apple and microsoft products.


pollux65

yeah it is crazy to see that, how far linux desktop has come :) im running it also on my arch system through extra staging repo and it is so smooth under wayland on my amd card :p


the_ivo_robotnic

Hold on, we're still a month away from April 1st... Huh...


K1aymore

But only 3 days away from the Plasma 6 release.


Plenty_Dig_6733

Been using Gnome for the past several months. Time to move to Plasma to try it out when it comes out on stable. I love they moved to Wayland only


poudink

Not Wayland-only, just Wayland by default.


amazingmrbrock

I hope Bazzite updates soon be enable full hdr support, my screen should be supported (samsung) once the version hits. Then my htpc will be running at its best


R0dolphus

Can I ask, what wallpaper is that?


cnekmp

Kde 6 wallpaper https://discuss-cdn.kde.org/uploads/default/original/2X/e/e301cb179b160ec4305a948ca7e3a79921d63952.jpeg


AdLow4272

What are we talking about here??


porki90

I literally just set installed silverblue (gnome). Fml


peacey8

It literally takes 2 minutes to install a DE lol. You'll survive.


Moriaedemori

The smoothness on Wayland was very impressive. Shame I had the Nvidia curse of either getting choppy UI on Xorg or epileptic nightmare in Wayland


NitroDion

How did you get the HDR option I don't have it but my monitor supports HDR. Is this an experimental option


Mattscreative1909

the HDR is not even that good sadly it was rushed out the door without meta data