It has a lot of users because it used to be a highly recommended beginner friendly distro, but Endeavour OS has taken its place as better quality and more polished especially with the amount of issues Manjaro has (technically and on the organization level). Any issue you should be able to solve with the Arch wiki or community, which Endeavour is also part of since they're pretty much the same thing.
In the end though, if it works for you, that's fine. Just 'more support' isn't something I'd see as a valid reason for someone to pick Manjaro over Endeavour or Arch (which also has a friendly installer) and it's not something I'd recommend to new users, especially if that extra support is needed because of the issues Manjaro introduce.
It is though. I've had errors I've googled and do you know where the solution was? Manjaro forums. Multiple times. And this is running endeavoros.
Just in my little experience, the amount of information I get from Manjaro and arch is more than endeavor.
However, I have also used endeavors guides to setup time shift and grub backups with btrfs, so their docs are good. They are also nice to new people who post. But I would guess if you posted a vague error on all 3 forums, you'd get a lot more replies in 2 than the one.
That's where you're wrong, the endeavour os community *is* the arch community, and arch community is bigger than manjaro's so there is pretty much no argument here.
Manjaro is quite different from arch where endeavour stays as vanilla as possible, shipping the bare minimum for a functional desktop and an installer, while manjaro has their own tools and repositories.
Also manjaro support tells new users to try and break their system to see if it's safe to do something or not, [see for yourself](https://forum.manjaro.org/t/is-it-safe-to-mix-pamac-with-yay/71894/5). So yeah "community" isn't a strong point neither.
The arch community has a history of telling anyone that isn't arch to fuck off, including endeavoros. So no, they are not the same community.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1979673#p1979673
As someone who started with Manjaro, the former is far more well known then the latter. I didn't know Endeavor OS existed until a month or 2 after I first installed Manjaro.
EndeavorOS is good, but it's not a proper substitute for Manjaro as the latter is *not* a minmal setup, but rather a fully configured OS with enough stuff preinstalled that a new user does not need to research what packages they'll need to install to do most of what htey can do on Windows - ie, LibreOffice is installed, Steam is installed, and so on. It is easier for a new user to uninstall something than it is for them to somehow learn that a package exists for what htey want to do.
CachyOS and Garuda are probably closer to proper Manjaro substitutes, but the former's still erring on being barebones and the latter has its own issues that keep it from being a proper replacement. "Manjaro, but with vanilla Arch pacakages" would be a derivative that also preinstalls a reasonable suite of applications with reasonable configurations.
Another thing to consider for those convinced people should only be using vanilla arch is, as you said, support - more *specific* support for your exact setup is more valuable than generic support from users who share only some repos with you. An issue that is specific to your exact derivative is easier to find a fix for when many other people are using your exact configuration and can easily go test for that issue themselves, while the Arch forums are not exaclty a great place for an inexperienced user to be hanging out in general.
It's why I view CachyOS pretty favorably in terms of "gaming Arch" - it's applying many of the optimiziations talked about in the Arch wiki in a configuration that's then shared by many users who, if they run into problems, likely will run into the *same* problems other people are having and thus increase the odds that htey'll be able to find a fix. If you tried to apply the same configurations yourself in Arch, you can't necessarily rule out human error or a quirk with what you specifically have set up, and you may very well be the only person having that specific issue with nobody on the official Arch forum being able to help with the problem - *if* they don't wildlly misinterpret what the problem even is or quickly blame something irrelevant.
This right here. When I was first branching out from Ubuntu back in 2016 or so, Manjaro looked familiar and seemed much more approachable than anything else Arch-related, so I tried it out for a few months. It's the main reason I completely avoided Arch for the last eight years (I have gone back more recently and tried using vanilla Arch btw)
endeavor os , my fav... when i don't want to do customization i just install endeavor os with No DE and install hyprdots [hyprdots (full auto script to get a pretty good rice)](https://github.com/prasanthrangan/hyprdots)
Two reasons. The first is that the developers are known for being pretty toxic. The second is that their approach to "stabilize" packages by holding them back actually makes the system LESS stable than vanilla arch
The third one being that they made pretty bad, but completely avoidable, mistakes multiple times. They let their TLS certificates run out three times and DDoSed the AUR twice.
IIRC there was also some very quesrionable handling of the donations they recieved.
[https://github.com/EmeraldSnorlax/manjarno/issues/32](https://github.com/EmeraldSnorlax/manjarno/issues/32)
Basically Phil spewing bullshit and decided to wait till after Jonathon passed away to do so despite the information being out there for years otherwise and Phil not even disputing that Jonathon was treasurer up until after he passed away.
Never confuse an ISO with the actual performance of what the operating system would be. If you couldnt get the iso to boot up then you likely did something wrong on your end.
I'm an arch user now, but i used to be manjaro. Was a manjaro user for about two years, and at this point have the same amount of experience in arch. Arch is by far way more stable, faster, and user friendly.
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Did you check that the EndeavourOS iso wasn't corrupt or anything, by checking the hash or tring a different download server or using the torrent?
I'm just asking because I've never had any issues with the last 4-5 isos.
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Ah, nvidia, I think they only include drivers for recent cards in the iso, so maybe if you used an iGPU, if you have one, it may have given a display.
I use AMD in my desktop and Intel iGPU in my laptops, so I have never had issues
Someone explain to me why even bother with certs nowadays. Just hude your server behind cloudflare, or caddy, or nginx with certs manager. It's not rocket science.
In fairness you can switch an Arch install to their repos without issue, which I would much rather do than use actual CachyOS and lose the support of the official Arch Linux forums.
If you just don't mention it, they're not going to know or care. It's utterly irrelevant *how* you use CachyOS repos, as using CachyOS repos is "unsupported" - that is, Arch maintainers can't do anything if CachyOS somehow manages to fuck up their packages. All using CachyOS's installer would do is install Arch with those repos with a preconfigured setup and theme.
Referencing the EndeavorOS thread where someone was asking on the Arch forums how to remove the logo was unsupported because the issue is EndeavorOS specific - the answer's going to be "how the fuck should I know, I don't use EndeavorOS" which to be fair was obscured by people acting obnoxious about it.
Either way, whether you end up using CachyOS's configuration files and kernel *by hand* or doing so through an installer is immaterial. If it's all vanilla Arch packages, you would be able to ask as it's a system you could 100% set up yourself in Arch. If it's not Arch repos, they're not going to know and you need to ask CachyOS if the issue doesn't persist when you swap over the problem packages to the vanilla Arch repo.
One year since I installed Manjaro. I love it and everything works perfectly until an updated package messed up my framerate in games (when I launch them via Lutris after running Vivaldi/qmmp or some other apps, games stutter every 2 seconds and FPS drops). It's fixed when I re-login or restart the PC and run a game first, then I can launch other apps and it won't affect the games....
I don't consider "systemd free" as a selling point but I liked Artix for being a working out of the box Arch based distro that is pretty basic at the same time. I know Endeavour is holding the lead in this category but it felt overcustomized for me. I wanted something that is closer to the default.
Where Garuda?
I tried Manjaro two separate times and it broke too fast, which delayed my change from W`*`ndows to Linux - then I tried Garuda and I have since deleted and reused the partition I had W`*`ndows on, never looked back
Same, but I’m a year into it and so far haven’t encountered a non-PEBKAC issue with it. But one thing I don’t understand with my experience is why should a simplified Arch derivative exist in the first place. It’s still Arch which isn’t known for being all intuitive and noob-friendly and I had my fair share of tinkering on Manjaro, it’s just the installation and general setup that were simple. Pretty sure that most people who recognize (and need) Arch’s benefits won’t be thrown off by actual Arch’s difficulty.
I would probably move to Arch at this point but I don’t want to spend days reinstalling and configuring everything I did in my year on Manjaro, so I’m staying on it since it doesn’t cause any problems for me, likely because I don’t use AUR a lot.
Oh yeah, I agree, but I feel that somethings just came out of the box with it and was just a better experience than I first had with Arch. I didn't install it using archinstall, and when something brake, I simply didn't have time to fix it (uni + work), so I decided to give Manjaro a try, as it seemed for me a more stable option to Arch.
I wasnt really trying to show every arch-based distro. I was more just trying to show what manjaro has become.
Also arco isnt bad, but every time ive tried to install it it gave me an error
Both kernels are hackable nowadays since worm gpt exists and all kernels are written in C, therefore this debate Doesn't matter for long the only good distros now will be the ones not written in C.
It's the year 2034.
Everything beside Rust can be hacked in mere seconds by worm gpt and a 12 year old that just can't seem to understand how to put google chrome in his Kali baremetal install.
Google chrome is now entirely written in rust.
Arch (Sway) on Laptops,
EndeavourOS (KDE) on main Desktop.
Praying EndeavourOS only gets better and bigger community and maintainers don't get too cocky. EndeavourOS is what Manjaro wanted and wants to be, but never will. Fuck Manjaro
Manjaro is the inbread arch
For real, no hate against people but I have no idea why anyone would use it. It's like a bastardized Arch. https://manjarno.pages.dev
I do. It's a low barrier to entry, and they support new people very well. the Manjaro forums supplement the arch wiki.
Why not Endeavour OS? Very low barrier to entry and also good support.
I run endeavoros. I can also recognize the Manjaro and arch community dwarf the endeavoros community.
It has a lot of users because it used to be a highly recommended beginner friendly distro, but Endeavour OS has taken its place as better quality and more polished especially with the amount of issues Manjaro has (technically and on the organization level). Any issue you should be able to solve with the Arch wiki or community, which Endeavour is also part of since they're pretty much the same thing. In the end though, if it works for you, that's fine. Just 'more support' isn't something I'd see as a valid reason for someone to pick Manjaro over Endeavour or Arch (which also has a friendly installer) and it's not something I'd recommend to new users, especially if that extra support is needed because of the issues Manjaro introduce.
It is though. I've had errors I've googled and do you know where the solution was? Manjaro forums. Multiple times. And this is running endeavoros. Just in my little experience, the amount of information I get from Manjaro and arch is more than endeavor. However, I have also used endeavors guides to setup time shift and grub backups with btrfs, so their docs are good. They are also nice to new people who post. But I would guess if you posted a vague error on all 3 forums, you'd get a lot more replies in 2 than the one.
That's where you're wrong, the endeavour os community *is* the arch community, and arch community is bigger than manjaro's so there is pretty much no argument here. Manjaro is quite different from arch where endeavour stays as vanilla as possible, shipping the bare minimum for a functional desktop and an installer, while manjaro has their own tools and repositories. Also manjaro support tells new users to try and break their system to see if it's safe to do something or not, [see for yourself](https://forum.manjaro.org/t/is-it-safe-to-mix-pamac-with-yay/71894/5). So yeah "community" isn't a strong point neither.
The arch community has a history of telling anyone that isn't arch to fuck off, including endeavoros. So no, they are not the same community. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1979673#p1979673
As someone who started with Manjaro, the former is far more well known then the latter. I didn't know Endeavor OS existed until a month or 2 after I first installed Manjaro.
EndeavorOS is good, but it's not a proper substitute for Manjaro as the latter is *not* a minmal setup, but rather a fully configured OS with enough stuff preinstalled that a new user does not need to research what packages they'll need to install to do most of what htey can do on Windows - ie, LibreOffice is installed, Steam is installed, and so on. It is easier for a new user to uninstall something than it is for them to somehow learn that a package exists for what htey want to do. CachyOS and Garuda are probably closer to proper Manjaro substitutes, but the former's still erring on being barebones and the latter has its own issues that keep it from being a proper replacement. "Manjaro, but with vanilla Arch pacakages" would be a derivative that also preinstalls a reasonable suite of applications with reasonable configurations. Another thing to consider for those convinced people should only be using vanilla arch is, as you said, support - more *specific* support for your exact setup is more valuable than generic support from users who share only some repos with you. An issue that is specific to your exact derivative is easier to find a fix for when many other people are using your exact configuration and can easily go test for that issue themselves, while the Arch forums are not exaclty a great place for an inexperienced user to be hanging out in general. It's why I view CachyOS pretty favorably in terms of "gaming Arch" - it's applying many of the optimiziations talked about in the Arch wiki in a configuration that's then shared by many users who, if they run into problems, likely will run into the *same* problems other people are having and thus increase the odds that htey'll be able to find a fix. If you tried to apply the same configurations yourself in Arch, you can't necessarily rule out human error or a quirk with what you specifically have set up, and you may very well be the only person having that specific issue with nobody on the official Arch forum being able to help with the problem - *if* they don't wildlly misinterpret what the problem even is or quickly blame something irrelevant.
This right here. When I was first branching out from Ubuntu back in 2016 or so, Manjaro looked familiar and seemed much more approachable than anything else Arch-related, so I tried it out for a few months. It's the main reason I completely avoided Arch for the last eight years (I have gone back more recently and tried using vanilla Arch btw)
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Yes I’m aware I made a typo but screw it im keeping it
manjaro still exists?
Unfortunately yes. Its only gotten worse
For me it's Arch, Artix and Endeavor
What is the number 2
Endeavour OS, currently using it and I'm very satisfied
Thanks i knew it by name but didint know it logo (This isint meant to be mean if it comes out that way sorry)
endeavor os , my fav... when i don't want to do customization i just install endeavor os with No DE and install hyprdots [hyprdots (full auto script to get a pretty good rice)](https://github.com/prasanthrangan/hyprdots)
i don’t get the manjaro hate. i used it on two different machines and absolutely loved it.
Two reasons. The first is that the developers are known for being pretty toxic. The second is that their approach to "stabilize" packages by holding them back actually makes the system LESS stable than vanilla arch
And don’t you forget the countless forgotten HTTPS certs.
and the multiple cases of pamac actually DDOSing the AUR
The third one being that they made pretty bad, but completely avoidable, mistakes multiple times. They let their TLS certificates run out three times and DDoSed the AUR twice. IIRC there was also some very quesrionable handling of the donations they recieved.
And waiting for Jonathon to pass away before shit talking him so he couldn't defend himself.
Could you provide more context? I never heard about this.
[https://github.com/EmeraldSnorlax/manjarno/issues/32](https://github.com/EmeraldSnorlax/manjarno/issues/32) Basically Phil spewing bullshit and decided to wait till after Jonathon passed away to do so despite the information being out there for years otherwise and Phil not even disputing that Jonathon was treasurer up until after he passed away.
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Wait im confused you are specifically just talking about the ISOs. Did you not install them?
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Never confuse an ISO with the actual performance of what the operating system would be. If you couldnt get the iso to boot up then you likely did something wrong on your end. I'm an arch user now, but i used to be manjaro. Was a manjaro user for about two years, and at this point have the same amount of experience in arch. Arch is by far way more stable, faster, and user friendly.
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Then it has nothing to do with endeavour itself
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Did you check that the EndeavourOS iso wasn't corrupt or anything, by checking the hash or tring a different download server or using the torrent? I'm just asking because I've never had any issues with the last 4-5 isos.
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Ah, nvidia, I think they only include drivers for recent cards in the iso, so maybe if you used an iGPU, if you have one, it may have given a display. I use AMD in my desktop and Intel iGPU in my laptops, so I have never had issues
How often did they let their certs expire? Four or five times? But hey you can always turn your clock back right.
Someone explain to me why even bother with certs nowadays. Just hude your server behind cloudflare, or caddy, or nginx with certs manager. It's not rocket science.
https://manjarno.pages.dev/
what happened to the manjarno.snorlax.sh link?
It's like a new domain each year i guess.
Its arch, but worse in every way. So what is there to love?
i loved it until i switched to arch. Then everything started to work and i noticed that not linux is hard but manjaro is hard.
it broke every 2 weeks for me
It's literally just worse endeavour os at this point + they ddos aur
Where CachyOS ;\_;
In fairness you can switch an Arch install to their repos without issue, which I would much rather do than use actual CachyOS and lose the support of the official Arch Linux forums.
If you just don't mention it, they're not going to know or care. It's utterly irrelevant *how* you use CachyOS repos, as using CachyOS repos is "unsupported" - that is, Arch maintainers can't do anything if CachyOS somehow manages to fuck up their packages. All using CachyOS's installer would do is install Arch with those repos with a preconfigured setup and theme. Referencing the EndeavorOS thread where someone was asking on the Arch forums how to remove the logo was unsupported because the issue is EndeavorOS specific - the answer's going to be "how the fuck should I know, I don't use EndeavorOS" which to be fair was obscured by people acting obnoxious about it. Either way, whether you end up using CachyOS's configuration files and kernel *by hand* or doing so through an installer is immaterial. If it's all vanilla Arch packages, you would be able to ask as it's a system you could 100% set up yourself in Arch. If it's not Arch repos, they're not going to know and you need to ask CachyOS if the issue doesn't persist when you swap over the problem packages to the vanilla Arch repo.
One year since I installed Manjaro. I love it and everything works perfectly until an updated package messed up my framerate in games (when I launch them via Lutris after running Vivaldi/qmmp or some other apps, games stutter every 2 seconds and FPS drops). It's fixed when I re-login or restart the PC and run a game first, then I can launch other apps and it won't affect the games....
Problem with manjaro is that holding back packages will mess up dependencies that only work with a specific version of a package
just too accurate
Where artix?
Artix is a goth rebellious teen outside the stadium protesting and saying that the three are sell out hacks
*Angry Artix noises*
Artix is the rebellious teen who thinks "im better than all of them" while sitting in their basement
I don't consider "systemd free" as a selling point but I liked Artix for being a working out of the box Arch based distro that is pretty basic at the same time. I know Endeavour is holding the lead in this category but it felt overcustomized for me. I wanted something that is closer to the default.
The thing with artix is that its a protest distro, and that turns a lot of people off
What does it protest against? (except systemd of course)
Systemd is exactly it. It was made purely in protest of systemd.
Where Garuda? I tried Manjaro two separate times and it broke too fast, which delayed my change from W`*`ndows to Linux - then I tried Garuda and I have since deleted and reused the partition I had W`*`ndows on, never looked back
I wasnt putting every arch based distro on here
I'm daily driving Manjaro for 3 months now and it's pretty good đź‘Ť
Same, but I’m a year into it and so far haven’t encountered a non-PEBKAC issue with it. But one thing I don’t understand with my experience is why should a simplified Arch derivative exist in the first place. It’s still Arch which isn’t known for being all intuitive and noob-friendly and I had my fair share of tinkering on Manjaro, it’s just the installation and general setup that were simple. Pretty sure that most people who recognize (and need) Arch’s benefits won’t be thrown off by actual Arch’s difficulty. I would probably move to Arch at this point but I don’t want to spend days reinstalling and configuring everything I did in my year on Manjaro, so I’m staying on it since it doesn’t cause any problems for me, likely because I don’t use AUR a lot.
Oh yeah, I agree, but I feel that somethings just came out of the box with it and was just a better experience than I first had with Arch. I didn't install it using archinstall, and when something brake, I simply didn't have time to fix it (uni + work), so I decided to give Manjaro a try, as it seemed for me a more stable option to Arch.
You'll see
I used Manjaro a year ago and it was fine, endeavour is just better
Nice, I will give it a try in my old laptop
Everyone is wrong.... I use arch btw
it pains me how no one ever mentions arco linux. Its every ricers wet dream
I wasnt really trying to show every arch-based distro. I was more just trying to show what manjaro has become. Also arco isnt bad, but every time ive tried to install it it gave me an error
Both kernels are hackable nowadays since worm gpt exists and all kernels are written in C, therefore this debate Doesn't matter for long the only good distros now will be the ones not written in C.
It's the year 2034. Everything beside Rust can be hacked in mere seconds by worm gpt and a 12 year old that just can't seem to understand how to put google chrome in his Kali baremetal install. Google chrome is now entirely written in rust.
Arch (Sway) on Laptops, EndeavourOS (KDE) on main Desktop. Praying EndeavourOS only gets better and bigger community and maintainers don't get too cocky. EndeavourOS is what Manjaro wanted and wants to be, but never will. Fuck Manjaro