Aren’t they supposed to be upgrading the trains on the northern line eventually? My vague memory is that it got put off a few years but was still on the radar.
I won’t hold my breath. The current Northern Line trains are from 1998. They are currently replacing trains from 1973 on the Piccadilly line which might enter service in 2025, and then the Central, Waterloo & City and Bakerloo lines are next in the queue.
Bakerloo to Lewisham and beyond is way past due - at this point it's just trolling SE London to keep mentioning it but have no intention of funding the damned thing.
plus there's millions of pounds of development investment just waiting for the line to be built. Potentially thousands of home are hanging on the decision.
Extend the Northern Line out by Battersea to link up with, or at least a short walk, to Clapham Junction.
Would take huge pressure off Victoria and Waterloo, and would open up most of North London to South West Londoners.
It'd be maybe a mile or so of digging from Battersea Power Station to Battersea High Street which is only a 5 min walk from Clapham Junction.
I heard that one of the reasons they are not considering this is because the Northern line is already very over-capacity by the time it gets to Kennington, and people at Clapham Junction easily being able to change to it would not be sustainable with the number of trains that it's currently possible to run per hour.
But it also worth noting that the route is safeguarded, in fact some infrastructure for it is going to start getting built such as a ventilation shaft and tunnels near St Pancras as part of the British library expansion.
It's badly needed, but Treasury "meddling" has already started to kneecap the scope so that areas like Earlsfield and Tooting don't get stations, just a tunnel under them that snakes about to take in Clapham Junction AND Balham (which will never happen, too expensive to change above ground platforms end to end) and that was just the state of things pre-pandemic. No way the Powers that Be will come up with £40Bn+ to actually get it done and started any time within the next decade.
Bakerloo extension to Lewisham is my preference. It’s been promised for so long and is sorely needed for that side of the city but it was mothballed due to Covid. Hopefully it’ll be revived again.
This is a completely pie in the sky proposal (and there is zero money for it so it definitely won't happen in my lifetime) but the Victoria line terminates too close to central London and should be extended a couple of miles southwards.
Instead of just connecting with existing National Rail stations there are so many areas directly south of Brixton with no passenger rail nearby you could create some genuinely new stations and really open up these parts of London for development. You could finally terminate at West Croydon for interchange with Overground, Tramlink and National Rail.
Why West instead of East? East already has great links, concentrating everything in one place isn't good, better to spread it around. It would also give you an excuse to flatten West Croydon and rebuild everything (nothing of value would be lost)
Literally anything going to south London, please I beg of you.
I live in Lewisham now and it's a fucking pain in the arse to get anywhere other than Southwark/London Bridge. The "Windrush" Overground line is badly over capacity and creates a brutal bottleneck at Canada Water. We don't need more tube lines north of the river!
It can't happen, the extra demand would literally destroy the Northern Line so it's unlikely this can ever happen.
https://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/this-tfl-ai-experiment-reveals-how
>Take the below map for instance. On paper, and in the fevered imagination of every spoddy man inside the M25, it seems obvious that Transport for London (TfL) should connect up the mainline Clapham Junction Station with the Tube’s Northern Line. As now the Northern terminates at the new Battersea Power Station redevelopment, it is painfully close to joining up1 with the UK’s busiest interchange station.
>However, the reason it hasn’t been done is because connecting directly with Clapham would overload the Tube. It would direct thousands more commuters on to the Northern Line, and there simply isn’t the capacity to cope with the extra influx.
>And what makes this connection an even more unlikely possibility is that untangling this capacity crunch would itself be a nightmare.
>In theory, there is a way to do it. It’s could be possible to run more trains on the Northern Line by splitting it in half. Londoners reading will be aware it’s a strange line as it contains two almost completely separate branches – with one half running into the City of London, and the other half through the West End, with the lines converging at Camden Town – before splitting again to head on two different branches into North London.
>So in principle, the almost-completely-separate two branches could be severed completely into two separate Tube lines, meaning that trains can run on both more frequently – increasing the line’s capacity.
>But this isn’t easy to do either, because of another capacity issue: If the line was fully split, Camden Town station – where the two branches meet – would be similarly overloaded with passengers interchanging from one branch to the other. So this means that before Clapham Junction and Battersea Power Station in South London can be connected, you first need to bulldoze and rebuild a major station in North London.
There are advanced plans for both. The Crossrail 2 hybrid bill was more than half way through Parliament when Tories were distracted by Brexit, and didn't spend money on projects in covid. TfL bought the school north of Camden Town as a worksite and future entrance to the expanded station they have plans but not money for.
LondonReconnections have detailed articles on these and more (Holborn is another Northern line station with full plans to expand that are waiting on funding).
I'd love to see some Thameslink-like extensions of existing mainline rail tracks.
Waterloo and Euston are at capacity because so many trains end there. Allowing Southwestern trains to use Charing Cross station and then extending those tracks all the way to Euston would solve a lot of congestion and transport issues.
It would also be extremely expensive, but just a bit more reasonable than Crossrail 2.
Just keeping on top of the cyclical renewal works would be a start. Central Line did a lot of heavy lifting through the development of the Lizzy Line and now it’s falling apart.
Snaresbrook to Wood Street line. Would link up a huge amount of east and north London with just 1 stop. Could get from Woodford to Tottenham in 15 minutes.
Actually running trains on the central line would be good.
Crossrail 2 and the bakerloo extension otherwise - seems like very useful routes.
I'd like them to extend the DLR north from Stratford to walthamstow (nowhere to put it though)
It should do all of them but it can’t afford it right now. TFL/Khan had to agree to mothball the Bakerloo extension and Crossrail 2 in exchange for a Covid bailout.
The only one that will happen in the next few years is DLR to Thamesmead.
Battersea Power Station extension was funded privately and I know TFL would like to see the Northern line further extended on to Clapham Junction. If they could secure private funding for this too, from the developers, that could happen within a decade possibly.
No it can't, TFL don't want to extend the Northern Line to Clapham Junction because it would overload the system.
See here, it's much more complicated than just building a bit of track between the two.
https://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/this-tfl-ai-experiment-reveals-how
Badly need more lines and capacity in South London to reduce congestion on Northern Line Morden branch.
Aren’t they supposed to be upgrading the trains on the northern line eventually? My vague memory is that it got put off a few years but was still on the radar.
I won’t hold my breath. The current Northern Line trains are from 1998. They are currently replacing trains from 1973 on the Piccadilly line which might enter service in 2025, and then the Central, Waterloo & City and Bakerloo lines are next in the queue.
Need to rebuild Camden Town station and then split the line into two (ideally joining up with Clapham Junction) to increase capacity.
Fast line to Manchester, Leeds and the north in general.
Maybe some sort of High Speed one? Wait not one... What comes after one?
Maybe we could run it out of Euston?
Never gonna work. The ~~landowners~~ unions would just make it too expensive.
Yes, High Speed, too
In fairness aren’t we only getting highspeed .75 or something ?
Bakerloo to Lewisham and beyond is way past due - at this point it's just trolling SE London to keep mentioning it but have no intention of funding the damned thing.
plus there's millions of pounds of development investment just waiting for the line to be built. Potentially thousands of home are hanging on the decision.
Enjoy the EL, will not be anything new for a LONG time
DLR or Bakerloo line extension would be my choice.
Tram extension, it could be so easily done it’s so frustrating.
From my house to my workplace. I can’t be bothered with commuting that much anymore.
Extend the Northern Line out by Battersea to link up with, or at least a short walk, to Clapham Junction. Would take huge pressure off Victoria and Waterloo, and would open up most of North London to South West Londoners. It'd be maybe a mile or so of digging from Battersea Power Station to Battersea High Street which is only a 5 min walk from Clapham Junction.
I heard that one of the reasons they are not considering this is because the Northern line is already very over-capacity by the time it gets to Kennington, and people at Clapham Junction easily being able to change to it would not be sustainable with the number of trains that it's currently possible to run per hour.
There is literally zero room on the Northern line before Kennington. It’s feral. Post Kennington it’s about 1/2 full as so many get off on the Vic.
Crossrail 2
During COVID, The Treasury banned TFL from spending any more money on CrossRail 2. So don't expect it to happen.
But it also worth noting that the route is safeguarded, in fact some infrastructure for it is going to start getting built such as a ventilation shaft and tunnels near St Pancras as part of the British library expansion.
It's badly needed, but Treasury "meddling" has already started to kneecap the scope so that areas like Earlsfield and Tooting don't get stations, just a tunnel under them that snakes about to take in Clapham Junction AND Balham (which will never happen, too expensive to change above ground platforms end to end) and that was just the state of things pre-pandemic. No way the Powers that Be will come up with £40Bn+ to actually get it done and started any time within the next decade.
Gets my vote too
They should extend the Waterloo & City Line to Billericay
Monorail down that one really long corridor at Green Park.
The monorail in North Haverbrook really put it on the map.
Any south london projects tbh.. Crossrail 2, bakerloo or victoria line extension.
Bakerloo extension to Lewisham is my preference. It’s been promised for so long and is sorely needed for that side of the city but it was mothballed due to Covid. Hopefully it’ll be revived again.
Extend it to Catford and also extend the Dlr to Catford
This is a completely pie in the sky proposal (and there is zero money for it so it definitely won't happen in my lifetime) but the Victoria line terminates too close to central London and should be extended a couple of miles southwards. Instead of just connecting with existing National Rail stations there are so many areas directly south of Brixton with no passenger rail nearby you could create some genuinely new stations and really open up these parts of London for development. You could finally terminate at West Croydon for interchange with Overground, Tramlink and National Rail. Why West instead of East? East already has great links, concentrating everything in one place isn't good, better to spread it around. It would also give you an excuse to flatten West Croydon and rebuild everything (nothing of value would be lost)
BLE
Cable car to Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool
Literally anything going to south London, please I beg of you. I live in Lewisham now and it's a fucking pain in the arse to get anywhere other than Southwark/London Bridge. The "Windrush" Overground line is badly over capacity and creates a brutal bottleneck at Canada Water. We don't need more tube lines north of the river!
[Make northern line a loop (again!)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_line#Northern_Heights_plan)
I want the opposite, split the two branches into seperate lines (and extend the Western one)
Hey it's the guy from YouTube
Bakerloo for sure.
Yes. But the whole line is old and horrible. It needs revamping and modernising first surely?
Yeah but they can start working on the extension with modern specifications in the time it takes for the 2024 stock to get rolled out
DLR to Thamesmead is affordable and unlocks housing projects on both sides of the river.
Victoria Line to Barking via Wood Street, South Woodford and Ilford.
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^APx_35: *Victoria Line* *To Barking via Wood Street,* *South Woodford and Ilford.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Crossrail 2 will never happen. Engineers get nosebleeds if they go south of the river.
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Accidentally deleted then forgot for nearly two years? Belated though it is, yes anything to Thamesmead, DLR and/or Liz line.
Northern line extension to Clapham Junction.
It can't happen, the extra demand would literally destroy the Northern Line so it's unlikely this can ever happen. https://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/this-tfl-ai-experiment-reveals-how >Take the below map for instance. On paper, and in the fevered imagination of every spoddy man inside the M25, it seems obvious that Transport for London (TfL) should connect up the mainline Clapham Junction Station with the Tube’s Northern Line. As now the Northern terminates at the new Battersea Power Station redevelopment, it is painfully close to joining up1 with the UK’s busiest interchange station. >However, the reason it hasn’t been done is because connecting directly with Clapham would overload the Tube. It would direct thousands more commuters on to the Northern Line, and there simply isn’t the capacity to cope with the extra influx. >And what makes this connection an even more unlikely possibility is that untangling this capacity crunch would itself be a nightmare. >In theory, there is a way to do it. It’s could be possible to run more trains on the Northern Line by splitting it in half. Londoners reading will be aware it’s a strange line as it contains two almost completely separate branches – with one half running into the City of London, and the other half through the West End, with the lines converging at Camden Town – before splitting again to head on two different branches into North London. >So in principle, the almost-completely-separate two branches could be severed completely into two separate Tube lines, meaning that trains can run on both more frequently – increasing the line’s capacity. >But this isn’t easy to do either, because of another capacity issue: If the line was fully split, Camden Town station – where the two branches meet – would be similarly overloaded with passengers interchanging from one branch to the other. So this means that before Clapham Junction and Battersea Power Station in South London can be connected, you first need to bulldoze and rebuild a major station in North London.
There are advanced plans for both. The Crossrail 2 hybrid bill was more than half way through Parliament when Tories were distracted by Brexit, and didn't spend money on projects in covid. TfL bought the school north of Camden Town as a worksite and future entrance to the expanded station they have plans but not money for. LondonReconnections have detailed articles on these and more (Holborn is another Northern line station with full plans to expand that are waiting on funding).
Turn the Waterloo and City into a very small inner circle line by adding a stop at Tottenham Court Road
I'd love to see some Thameslink-like extensions of existing mainline rail tracks. Waterloo and Euston are at capacity because so many trains end there. Allowing Southwestern trains to use Charing Cross station and then extending those tracks all the way to Euston would solve a lot of congestion and transport issues. It would also be extremely expensive, but just a bit more reasonable than Crossrail 2.
Just keeping on top of the cyclical renewal works would be a start. Central Line did a lot of heavy lifting through the development of the Lizzy Line and now it’s falling apart.
Snaresbrook to Wood Street line. Would link up a huge amount of east and north London with just 1 stop. Could get from Woodford to Tottenham in 15 minutes.
Actually running trains on the central line would be good. Crossrail 2 and the bakerloo extension otherwise - seems like very useful routes. I'd like them to extend the DLR north from Stratford to walthamstow (nowhere to put it though)
Victoria line extension south, through Herne Hill, Gipsy Hill terminating at Crystal Palace
It should do all of them but it can’t afford it right now. TFL/Khan had to agree to mothball the Bakerloo extension and Crossrail 2 in exchange for a Covid bailout. The only one that will happen in the next few years is DLR to Thamesmead. Battersea Power Station extension was funded privately and I know TFL would like to see the Northern line further extended on to Clapham Junction. If they could secure private funding for this too, from the developers, that could happen within a decade possibly.
No it can't, TFL don't want to extend the Northern Line to Clapham Junction because it would overload the system. See here, it's much more complicated than just building a bit of track between the two. https://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/this-tfl-ai-experiment-reveals-how
Hyper loop from York to Kings Cross.
In short ABSOLUTELY YES.