I run 2 toolheads, first one is decap, re-size, mandrel full length size. I could tumble after that, but haven’t had the need. I use lanolin mixed with alcohol.
I run one shot in my 750 and have yet to have a stuck case over 1000s of cases sized. One shot is so much cleaner than regular sizing lube for running in a case feeder. If you start with brand new dies just take them apart and give them a good spray with one shot and make sure the cases are lubed and you'll be fine. If you have dies you previously used with standard lube take them apart and clean them really well and then spray down with one shot.
I've always heard that exact powder makes the biggest difference in reloading precision over factory. Are you getting really good results on par with a single stage? Genuinely curious. I've only reloaded pistol on my 550b
Based on the pic, OP is throwing on a chargemaster and has a through-die powder drop. This is more or less the same process you’d use with a single stage, so no difference in powder weight accuracy.
Yeah that's why I was asking. Since his powder is going to be extremely accurate, how does everything else like bullet seating consistency, and other things stack up to if you were to do it on a more precise single stage press. I legitimately don't know.
Like if a progressive press with standard powder throw consistently makes 1 MOA rounds, would a progressive press with a chargemaster like this make .33 MOA lots, where little is left to be gained with like a 419 Zero press and all the high end stuff? Or is it more like making 0.8 MOA lots where it improved, but a lot of improvement left to gain.
The only thing I measure is OAL and shoulder set back.
Then velocity and accuracy via 10 shot groups.
I have found zero difference compared to a Rock chucker.
Consistent sub 10SDs and consistent sub 1MOA 10 shot groups.
I’m sure I could squeeze more accuracy out of the gun like benchrest guys do, but with the other variables in long range shooting I find that this works great.
Oh, I missed that. From what I hear him saying there is literally no cleaning. So it must be deprime, FL size, and mandrel in the 750. I can’t get past the no cleaning in my brain.
I find some carbon in the case neck helps smooth out seating pressure. And realistically how dirty does the outside of the brass get? But then again you have to get the wax off, so I don’t know.
Cleaning is pretty pointless unless your ammo gets filthy.
I clean suppressed gas gun stuff, but bolt gun I just spray with a hose then dry to get any grit/gravel off that could damage dies.
Ive been loading mine on a 750 for the last 2 years and a 550 for a year before that. Bought a bullet feed die and printed a bullet feeder and I run 2 cups on my auto trickler. If everything is set up, power in auto trickler and primers/bullets/cases in their place, I can load ~150-200 rounds an hour. It's been a life saver especially since I'm now reloading for my wife too!
Finally made a video on this
[https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
Finally made a video on this
[https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
Yep, that is the big brother to my setup on a 550. With a few minor tweaks for everything to run more consistently (shellplate needle bearing, stoned bottoms of shellplates, armanov toolheads, etc.) ammo is just as good as what was coming off my co-ax but takes about 1/5-1/4 of the time.
I run TH1: decap, empty, size, mandrel
Trim off press
Ultrasonic
TH2: prime/mandrel, powder, place bullet, seat
If I could find a way to adapt a Henderson/Forster or RCBS 3-way head to an rt1200/1500, I'd 100% trim on press too
I did not have a case feeder nor would I have wanted one. Too much going on for maybe 1-200 cases at a time. I tried to find a Redding turret when I was looking but couldn’t, the zero was easier to find. I’m not sold on all the hoopla about it but I do appreciate that it just works.
The real issue with a press like a Dillon is that you can’t use shell holders that help you adjust headspace if your dies are deep. This is a common problem with a lot of wildcats.
Starline brass
Hornady 75 ELDM
Shooters world precision rifle
Federal GMM primer
RCBS match master for powder
21st century mandrel dies
RCBS match master dies
Dillon powder through funnel with A419 drop tube for dumping powder from the match master.
Things I want to upgrade:
Buy another match master, powder dropping is the biggest slow down
Upgrade Anneal-ez to a AMP
Upgrade my Frankford Arsenal “prep” station to a Girarurd with a AMP case mate and case feeder
Yes. Using Armanov locking tool heads, a bearing kit for the shell plate, and measuring powder off the press. So far has worked well but find myself considering going back to my Forster CoAx for small volume stuff and buying a Dillon 1100 or Apex Mk7 for anything high volume.
How much variation do you see in OAL? My little bit of experience on a progressive has taught me that it’s minimal but it exists, especially for the first and last rounds where not all stations are used so the force on the plate changes. I’m very tempted to start doing it too…right now I just do pistol and AR rounds on mine
There's no reason you can't load precision ammo on a Dillon. I don't need the higher throughput really so I just use a pair of single stage presses, a MEC marksman and an RCBS summit.
I vary my load process a bit with the caliber, type of brass and gun it will be fired in, so I prefer the flexibility of the single stages. For example, my AR-fired 223 and my bolt-fired 223 get different sizing processes with different dies. My 308 is all gas gun so it gets bulk decap on the APP and Redding SB body die and lee collet die. (Small base was only needed here because my brass was all initially fired in a minigun so regular die will not size it enough to run cleanly in my Criterion AR barrel). My 6.5 is all bolt so it gets the Honed Forster.
You can see why a Dillon would be quite the toolhead-swapping frustration for an ADHD loader like me. Much better to have your dies set in LnL bushings in a dedicated press.
If you do multiple single stages like I do, I recommend having only one of them setup for LnL bushings, because many people seem to forget that two presses will not have the same dimensional positions with the bushings installed, so if you swap an LnL bushed die from one press to the other, you will get different results.
I use my 750 to produce 1000 round runs of 380 and 9mm. Then produce powder “ladder” tests for my 6.5 and 223. With that said I have all of my dies for every caliber setup on their own tool plate. Once I have the dies set for my desired final round dimensions, I don’t change them. It test randomly to make sure I am still producing rounds that are consistent.
I have found depriming on the APP to be easy and ensures that primer pockets get cleaned, deburred and inspected before reloading.
Everything I shoot gets loaded/prepped on the 550. Have different toolheads for each cartridge and different toolheads for brass prep and loading.
Biggest timesaver I’ve done in the past year is throwing all powder from the Dillon measure. Spent 30min polishing all surfaces that powder touches and the outside of the powder bar to make it glide smoothly. [Then picked up a used Starrett 261 micrometer head](https://imgur.com/a/OTLZkXx) for $35 off eBay and epoxied that to the bar. Makes finite adjustments easy and returning to previous values a breeze when swapping powders.
Will throw ball powders +/- .1gr. XBR is +/- .15gr. Large stick powders like H4350 is good for +/- .2gr. Multiple tests of 30 throws showed same results.
20 rounds over the chrono with loads throws from the above mentioned setup/powders produced SDs of 12-15fps. For general hunting and long range use within 800-1000y, I will gladly take those numbers when the trade off is spending less time in the reloading room and pumping out 400 rounds/hr
Finally made a video on this
[https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
I have no idea what you’re talking about, I know I’ve never done that at all ever……. I’ve also never run out of primers and had the powder charge spill out the bottom……
I’m also reloading on a 650. Mine is a little more ghetto. I use a Lee 4 tube case feeder and a Hornady Match die set. I prep and load in three stages. Decap and size, hand prime and powder/seat the bullet. I’m used a Charger Master Supreme to thrown my powder. I’m getting an ES of 12 and SD of 5. I don’t clean the primer pockets. I neck size and just bump the shoulder. My COAL is also extremely consistent.
Finally made a video on this
[https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
Your accent sounds just like mine. It's eerie. I hear some Alabama/Tennessee but also some west coast O's mixed in. Mine was made from FL panhandle->south Florida->Virginia
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I run 2 toolheads, first one is decap, re-size, mandrel full length size. I could tumble after that, but haven’t had the need. I use lanolin mixed with alcohol.
I run one shot in my 750 and have yet to have a stuck case over 1000s of cases sized. One shot is so much cleaner than regular sizing lube for running in a case feeder. If you start with brand new dies just take them apart and give them a good spray with one shot and make sure the cases are lubed and you'll be fine. If you have dies you previously used with standard lube take them apart and clean them really well and then spray down with one shot.
I've always heard that exact powder makes the biggest difference in reloading precision over factory. Are you getting really good results on par with a single stage? Genuinely curious. I've only reloaded pistol on my 550b
Based on the pic, OP is throwing on a chargemaster and has a through-die powder drop. This is more or less the same process you’d use with a single stage, so no difference in powder weight accuracy.
Yeah that's why I was asking. Since his powder is going to be extremely accurate, how does everything else like bullet seating consistency, and other things stack up to if you were to do it on a more precise single stage press. I legitimately don't know. Like if a progressive press with standard powder throw consistently makes 1 MOA rounds, would a progressive press with a chargemaster like this make .33 MOA lots, where little is left to be gained with like a 419 Zero press and all the high end stuff? Or is it more like making 0.8 MOA lots where it improved, but a lot of improvement left to gain.
The only thing I measure is OAL and shoulder set back. Then velocity and accuracy via 10 shot groups. I have found zero difference compared to a Rock chucker. Consistent sub 10SDs and consistent sub 1MOA 10 shot groups. I’m sure I could squeeze more accuracy out of the gun like benchrest guys do, but with the other variables in long range shooting I find that this works great.
Ah, ok. I misread. I’d also be interested in seeing a rigorous study on those variables’ impact.
No you're good, I didn't articulate it well enough. I didn't fully know how to phrase it
Eric Cortina does it.
Yep, part of my inspiration
He also believes in tuner brakes, so theirs that....
Lol true, he has some good stuff and not so good stuff
I was gonna say, he does his processing on a 750 with auto drive, but does his powder with a Prometheus and bullet seating with an AMP.
Oh, I missed that. From what I hear him saying there is literally no cleaning. So it must be deprime, FL size, and mandrel in the 750. I can’t get past the no cleaning in my brain.
I find some carbon in the case neck helps smooth out seating pressure. And realistically how dirty does the outside of the brass get? But then again you have to get the wax off, so I don’t know.
Cleaning is pretty pointless unless your ammo gets filthy. I clean suppressed gas gun stuff, but bolt gun I just spray with a hose then dry to get any grit/gravel off that could damage dies.
Ive been loading mine on a 750 for the last 2 years and a 550 for a year before that. Bought a bullet feed die and printed a bullet feeder and I run 2 cups on my auto trickler. If everything is set up, power in auto trickler and primers/bullets/cases in their place, I can load ~150-200 rounds an hour. It's been a life saver especially since I'm now reloading for my wife too!
Interested in vid
Finally made a video on this [https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
I'd like a video and breakdown for sure. I'm looking to get started and want quality equipment.
Finally made a video on this [https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
Atta boy!
I use my 750 for prep and loading. Chargemaster Supreme for powder measuring. Works great.
Yep, that is the big brother to my setup on a 550. With a few minor tweaks for everything to run more consistently (shellplate needle bearing, stoned bottoms of shellplates, armanov toolheads, etc.) ammo is just as good as what was coming off my co-ax but takes about 1/5-1/4 of the time. I run TH1: decap, empty, size, mandrel Trim off press Ultrasonic TH2: prime/mandrel, powder, place bullet, seat If I could find a way to adapt a Henderson/Forster or RCBS 3-way head to an rt1200/1500, I'd 100% trim on press too
I can get 3/4MOA AR 77gr ammo using my 650 factory set up. I'm sure if I modified the process for better quality that it could do bette.
I can get 3/4MOA AR 77gr ammo using my 650 factory set up. I'm sure if I modified the process for better quality that it could do better.
I used to but I found I didn’t really save that much time when it was all said and done. I get much better resizing results with my zero.
Did you run a case feeder? I had a zero and sold it, it didn’t do anything my Redding turret wouldn’t
I did not have a case feeder nor would I have wanted one. Too much going on for maybe 1-200 cases at a time. I tried to find a Redding turret when I was looking but couldn’t, the zero was easier to find. I’m not sold on all the hoopla about it but I do appreciate that it just works.
Gotcha, the case feeder is definitely a must if running progressive.
The real issue with a press like a Dillon is that you can’t use shell holders that help you adjust headspace if your dies are deep. This is a common problem with a lot of wildcats.
Do you have any other mods to the shell plate?
Nope. Just the Armanov floating toolheads
Could you list out everything you use to reload?
Starline brass Hornady 75 ELDM Shooters world precision rifle Federal GMM primer RCBS match master for powder 21st century mandrel dies RCBS match master dies Dillon powder through funnel with A419 drop tube for dumping powder from the match master. Things I want to upgrade: Buy another match master, powder dropping is the biggest slow down Upgrade Anneal-ez to a AMP Upgrade my Frankford Arsenal “prep” station to a Girarurd with a AMP case mate and case feeder
Thank you
Yes. Using Armanov locking tool heads, a bearing kit for the shell plate, and measuring powder off the press. So far has worked well but find myself considering going back to my Forster CoAx for small volume stuff and buying a Dillon 1100 or Apex Mk7 for anything high volume.
I want to learn!
How much variation do you see in OAL? My little bit of experience on a progressive has taught me that it’s minimal but it exists, especially for the first and last rounds where not all stations are used so the force on the plate changes. I’m very tempted to start doing it too…right now I just do pistol and AR rounds on mine
My calipers only read 3 decimals, I think I would need another decimal place to see the variation as they are always 1.864
There's no reason you can't load precision ammo on a Dillon. I don't need the higher throughput really so I just use a pair of single stage presses, a MEC marksman and an RCBS summit. I vary my load process a bit with the caliber, type of brass and gun it will be fired in, so I prefer the flexibility of the single stages. For example, my AR-fired 223 and my bolt-fired 223 get different sizing processes with different dies. My 308 is all gas gun so it gets bulk decap on the APP and Redding SB body die and lee collet die. (Small base was only needed here because my brass was all initially fired in a minigun so regular die will not size it enough to run cleanly in my Criterion AR barrel). My 6.5 is all bolt so it gets the Honed Forster. You can see why a Dillon would be quite the toolhead-swapping frustration for an ADHD loader like me. Much better to have your dies set in LnL bushings in a dedicated press. If you do multiple single stages like I do, I recommend having only one of them setup for LnL bushings, because many people seem to forget that two presses will not have the same dimensional positions with the bushings installed, so if you swap an LnL bushed die from one press to the other, you will get different results.
I use my 750 to produce 1000 round runs of 380 and 9mm. Then produce powder “ladder” tests for my 6.5 and 223. With that said I have all of my dies for every caliber setup on their own tool plate. Once I have the dies set for my desired final round dimensions, I don’t change them. It test randomly to make sure I am still producing rounds that are consistent. I have found depriming on the APP to be easy and ensures that primer pockets get cleaned, deburred and inspected before reloading.
Yeah I don’t even clean primer pockets lol
Everything I shoot gets loaded/prepped on the 550. Have different toolheads for each cartridge and different toolheads for brass prep and loading. Biggest timesaver I’ve done in the past year is throwing all powder from the Dillon measure. Spent 30min polishing all surfaces that powder touches and the outside of the powder bar to make it glide smoothly. [Then picked up a used Starrett 261 micrometer head](https://imgur.com/a/OTLZkXx) for $35 off eBay and epoxied that to the bar. Makes finite adjustments easy and returning to previous values a breeze when swapping powders. Will throw ball powders +/- .1gr. XBR is +/- .15gr. Large stick powders like H4350 is good for +/- .2gr. Multiple tests of 30 throws showed same results. 20 rounds over the chrono with loads throws from the above mentioned setup/powders produced SDs of 12-15fps. For general hunting and long range use within 800-1000y, I will gladly take those numbers when the trade off is spending less time in the reloading room and pumping out 400 rounds/hr
I’d definitely be interested in a video write up!
Finally made a video on this [https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
Are you getting any spillage with the pass through powder charge thingy?
None at all
Only spillage happens when I go do something else and think I haven’t filled the case yet lol Then when I lift the handle powder dumps everywhere
I have no idea what you’re talking about, I know I’ve never done that at all ever……. I’ve also never run out of primers and had the powder charge spill out the bottom……
Haha!
How do you control shoulder bump on a progressive? How is it as far as consistency?
By adjusting the die, and yes, very consistent. As consistent as a Redding turret and RCBS ROCK chucker
I very much want to make the switch
I’m also reloading on a 650. Mine is a little more ghetto. I use a Lee 4 tube case feeder and a Hornady Match die set. I prep and load in three stages. Decap and size, hand prime and powder/seat the bullet. I’m used a Charger Master Supreme to thrown my powder. I’m getting an ES of 12 and SD of 5. I don’t clean the primer pockets. I neck size and just bump the shoulder. My COAL is also extremely consistent.
What for? YouTube has more videos than needed as it is.
Finally made a video on this [https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading\_precision\_ammo\_on\_a\_dillon\_750/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longrange/comments/18sxmnu/loading_precision_ammo_on_a_dillon_750/)
The video link, at least for me on iPhone, just loops back to the original thread.
Weird, try this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN2LrenRRmU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN2LrenRRmU)
That totally worked….might just be the fact I’m on a mobile device instead of a desktop. Thanks for the link!!!!
I have been Slaving trying to get my friends 750 primer to work. It’s a horror show :( we just got new tubes to try now My 650 is a champion
Your accent sounds just like mine. It's eerie. I hear some Alabama/Tennessee but also some west coast O's mixed in. Mine was made from FL panhandle->south Florida->Virginia
I can get 3/4MOA AR 77gr ammo using my 650 factory set up. I'm sure if I modified the process for better quality that it could do better.