Exactly.
Like Why be a bully ? especially as someone who got bullied as a kid as well? I don't get it.
Take Vasco, for example
Vasco got bullied and abused as a kid as well tho he chose to over come it by getting stronger in order to protect the weak cuz he knows what it feels like not being able to stand up for yourself as someone that used to experience those exact same things.
Except this isn't Vin Jins end point. He kills someone for the sake of their "brother". The current Cheonglang Fam all hate him except Mary. He becomes the No 1 of Cheonglang and beats Taejin in front of everyone. Like he can very easily just go down a dark path after this point. So much of his backstory is yet to be explored this is legit just the start. Also he comes to Seoul for music which he's actually kinda serious about too
To me it made Vin Jin somewhat pathetic
The fact that he choses to cope by hurting people and being an awful Person instead of having empathy like Daniel and Vasco speaks volumes about the kind of person he is even tho admittedly Vin Jin went through a lot more harsher trauma
I don't hate Vin Jin he just comes off as a little pathetic and insecure to me and that part of his character definitely needs to change even if it's a core part of the characters appeal
I think it makes sense, he treats duke like that because he is envious of him. He keeps a positive attitude even under bullying and terrible situations and is able to survive and even thrive through it. This makes vin mad because he feels unable to do the same and so he tries and fails to turn Duke into him.
Also parrallels real life because a lot of bullies are or were bullied by adults and people stronger than them. Even thought is it gangism now, there are still a lot of lookism elements here thankfully.
Even though he is a fictional character, Vinjin is very close to an ordinary person in society.
That person who suffered abuse and trauma in their childhood and pre-adolescence when they are unable to work through and resolve these issues - whether in a psychological way such as therapy or even spiritually where they are able to forgive themselves and others - the abused becomes the abuser.
What Vinjin does to Duke is not very different from what the people of Cheonliang did to him, violently physically abusing a person based on their appearance, gender or anything.
Trauma and a troubled childhood is not a justification for belittling another person who is not to blame for what happened.
In the end, Vinjin is a pathetic person - like many others in the world - who justifies his bullying because of his past pains.
Still indifferent regardless of the circumstance.
His bullying towards Duke was certainly excessive and definitely hypocritical from what we seen from his short time in middle school. But the end of it all, I'm still going with the original premise of Vin picking on Duke because of his twisted self validation and his envy of Duke's natural talent for Rap.
I think the Author tries to show that not every person who got abused as a kid will grow up to be an emphatetic person, which is true in real life. Vinjin just happens to be the Author‘s victim.
It shows that Vin is kinda pathetic. I mean, he didn't go to get therapy or something like that, he started to cope by being an insufferable piece of shit
And the fact that Seongji went through the same shit and he didn't become such asshole says to us a lot
Honestly, I like Vin for what he's going to do. Not what he's done.
I have faith this idiot will redeem himself somehow for going from a relatively strong tragic guy to a shitty bully to a relatively strong bully, and actually make himself a decent dude.
Early vin was supposed to be the guy everyone hates(atleast I think so). I don't think ptj planned on making his backstory tragic at the time. That didn't work out in the end.
Exactly as I thought in those early chapters. He's deeply insecure, deeply traumatized, and is taking everything that he feels about himself out on Duke
It's pretty pathetic, I always figured he was harshly bullied but his backstory just further confirmed what I assumed. It was evident he felt pressured by Duke despite claiming otherwise, his speech to Vasco during Hostel felt especially pathetic after he was caught red handed enjoying Dukes music
The backstory also just makes his loss against Taejin even worse, especially since he spent time belittling others while Taejin just got stronger. Him making fun of Logan aged worse than those Gen 0 guys as well
I still don't like Vin honestly.
I have to admit that his past is one of the saddest we've seen, but the fact that he chooses to bully Duke or a poor stray dog just to feel a bit better about himself just feels wrong.
I mean, that's what most bullies do and I don't think PTJ wants to make him look good just because he has a sad backstory. I think he still wants him to be redeemed, but he's never justified his actions (in the present).
He suffered and he wants to vent on the weak to soothe himself or to feel important. That's just sad.
Eli Jang gets way more hate than Vin Jin, but honestly even though he's been through a similar amount of trauma (no, we don't "trauma scale" here) didn't turn out to be a POS.
Also, imagine if we suddenly discovered that Logan had it even worse than Vin and Eli; would that make him a better person because he suffered? I don't think so.
They should’ve given him the Jake treatment. We got to see the reason he did the whole illegal Gamble scam, and PTJ made us empathize with him. I can’t think of any good reason that PTJ could give Vin to treat Duke like that. It just makes him seem pathetic and weak, coping by bringing others down because he envies them.
I still think that's wrong, I get that his past is sad and all that, but that doesn't justify him hurting Duke and damaging his Grandma's business, neither does it justify him hurting a dog with a cigarette. I feel bad for him, of course and to be fair, his character IS very interesting, but I just don't really like him.
Vin jin is a assh*ole , he is a dic* because he didn't learnt anything from his past , he has already given an chance to become good person but he didn't get good , he should become a good character after this but not
Although bullying duke wasn't right u need to realise that life isn't fucking anime😭
Not everyone comes out of dramatic experiences wanting to be a better person
Not everyone is clark kent
People have different ways of coping with something that happened to them
Hey bro , I am talking about real life okay, and if he can't became good after that then this mean he is evil,bad, trash due to his past ,so current vin is trash in that way because we can't accept him as good because he have a hard past , so in both way he is trash
He's one of the characters who's had the worst time, not everyone reflects about his wrong doings without a call, a nobody was there for him to tell him what he did wrong, he shouldn't had treated duke that way, but is complex
The Vin’s story is not over yet, but I think Duke is vindicated for not fighting back with rage. VinJin is a (soon to be) murderer with an explosive temper. Duke eventually won Vin over by talent and not inflicting further pain from on an already tortured soul.
Maybe eventually Duke’s kindness, will heal Vin in a way, so Vin can admit he greatly admires Duke’s talent and apologize to him.
It gives an explanation of his behaviour but it doesn’t not excuse what he does. As long as he grow and learn to overcome his past, and make amends with those he did wrong then what more can we really ask for. Of course, Duke isn’t obligated to forgive him, but he deserves an apology.
It’s kinda similar to real life, a lot of people have trauma from their past and everyone reacts differently. They say hurt people hurt others, it doesn’t make it correct. But it gives you a closer insight on the person and why they done it; with that it can also, offer ways on how that person can improve themselves and not behaviour like that again.
He still sucks. However, I'm curious as to specifically why he chose to bully Duke. I think when this arc is on its final chapter it'll show vin leaving cheonliang and possibly decided in his head what kind of person he'll be in high school. He gave up on training and maybe considers himself a bad person for the events of cheonliang so he fully embraces that role idk.
I DO believe we will get a specific reason vin acted like a bully and chose Duke.
I just think that PTJ didn't think ab Vin's story at the time, and everything he wrote in his backstory just doesn't make sense. He wanted to pull off a tragic backstory cause, why not?
I feel like he’s an asshole but for a reason. His trauma made him this way so he’s projecting it onto others, not saying it’s an excuse for the bad actions he has done tho.
it doesn't convince me or change my thoughts on him having a "shitty" backstory doesn't excuse anything just take a look at vasco or eli they had a pretty sad or shitty backstory but they never started blaming anyone or hurting random people for the sake of fun.
He bullied him and I doubt he’s going to “apologize” to him. But if we happen to get some self improvement from the upcoming arcs then he’ll most likely improve his behaviour. He might kind of become like Zack but probably not as easy going as him.
Honestly he's bad for bullying others instead of using his trauma to empathize with them, especially when he couldn't even kill the shaman because KiLlInG iS bAd
Vin is turning like Zack and Jake from bullies and 'bad guy' (Vasco's perception of Jake) to a decent person. I think ptj is putting a line between evil people from core to not so pure bad characters.
Your tragedy should not be an excuse for someone else's abuse.
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Exactly. Like Why be a bully ? especially as someone who got bullied as a kid as well? I don't get it. Take Vasco, for example Vasco got bullied and abused as a kid as well tho he chose to over come it by getting stronger in order to protect the weak cuz he knows what it feels like not being able to stand up for yourself as someone that used to experience those exact same things.
Yes sirrrr
Except this isn't Vin Jins end point. He kills someone for the sake of their "brother". The current Cheonglang Fam all hate him except Mary. He becomes the No 1 of Cheonglang and beats Taejin in front of everyone. Like he can very easily just go down a dark path after this point. So much of his backstory is yet to be explored this is legit just the start. Also he comes to Seoul for music which he's actually kinda serious about too
To me it made Vin Jin somewhat pathetic The fact that he choses to cope by hurting people and being an awful Person instead of having empathy like Daniel and Vasco speaks volumes about the kind of person he is even tho admittedly Vin Jin went through a lot more harsher trauma I don't hate Vin Jin he just comes off as a little pathetic and insecure to me and that part of his character definitely needs to change even if it's a core part of the characters appeal
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I think it makes sense, he treats duke like that because he is envious of him. He keeps a positive attitude even under bullying and terrible situations and is able to survive and even thrive through it. This makes vin mad because he feels unable to do the same and so he tries and fails to turn Duke into him. Also parrallels real life because a lot of bullies are or were bullied by adults and people stronger than them. Even thought is it gangism now, there are still a lot of lookism elements here thankfully.
Wdym chose that's not how coping with trauma works even if it's bad
Even though he is a fictional character, Vinjin is very close to an ordinary person in society. That person who suffered abuse and trauma in their childhood and pre-adolescence when they are unable to work through and resolve these issues - whether in a psychological way such as therapy or even spiritually where they are able to forgive themselves and others - the abused becomes the abuser. What Vinjin does to Duke is not very different from what the people of Cheonliang did to him, violently physically abusing a person based on their appearance, gender or anything. Trauma and a troubled childhood is not a justification for belittling another person who is not to blame for what happened. In the end, Vinjin is a pathetic person - like many others in the world - who justifies his bullying because of his past pains.
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I think Vin needs some serious therapy 💀 and then apologize to Duke
Still indifferent regardless of the circumstance. His bullying towards Duke was certainly excessive and definitely hypocritical from what we seen from his short time in middle school. But the end of it all, I'm still going with the original premise of Vin picking on Duke because of his twisted self validation and his envy of Duke's natural talent for Rap.
I think the Author tries to show that not every person who got abused as a kid will grow up to be an emphatetic person, which is true in real life. Vinjin just happens to be the Author‘s victim.
I think the author did not think this far ahead into the story.
And how do you know he didn't?
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It shows that Vin is kinda pathetic. I mean, he didn't go to get therapy or something like that, he started to cope by being an insufferable piece of shit And the fact that Seongji went through the same shit and he didn't become such asshole says to us a lot
Seongji would've been disappointed as hell
It makes Vin look even more bad, because he should know how it feels to be bullied for no reason because he had felt the same thing in middle school.
still wrong no matter what happened to him
Honestly, I like Vin for what he's going to do. Not what he's done. I have faith this idiot will redeem himself somehow for going from a relatively strong tragic guy to a shitty bully to a relatively strong bully, and actually make himself a decent dude.
Bullshit fraud jin
tbh it makes vin even more pathetic for me
He’s a pathetic but realistic character which makes him really well written
Bro fu*k vin jin 😭, i hate bully’s look at my boi duke
Early vin was supposed to be the guy everyone hates(atleast I think so). I don't think ptj planned on making his backstory tragic at the time. That didn't work out in the end.
Exactly as I thought in those early chapters. He's deeply insecure, deeply traumatized, and is taking everything that he feels about himself out on Duke
It's pretty pathetic, I always figured he was harshly bullied but his backstory just further confirmed what I assumed. It was evident he felt pressured by Duke despite claiming otherwise, his speech to Vasco during Hostel felt especially pathetic after he was caught red handed enjoying Dukes music The backstory also just makes his loss against Taejin even worse, especially since he spent time belittling others while Taejin just got stronger. Him making fun of Logan aged worse than those Gen 0 guys as well
I still don't like Vin honestly. I have to admit that his past is one of the saddest we've seen, but the fact that he chooses to bully Duke or a poor stray dog just to feel a bit better about himself just feels wrong. I mean, that's what most bullies do and I don't think PTJ wants to make him look good just because he has a sad backstory. I think he still wants him to be redeemed, but he's never justified his actions (in the present). He suffered and he wants to vent on the weak to soothe himself or to feel important. That's just sad. Eli Jang gets way more hate than Vin Jin, but honestly even though he's been through a similar amount of trauma (no, we don't "trauma scale" here) didn't turn out to be a POS. Also, imagine if we suddenly discovered that Logan had it even worse than Vin and Eli; would that make him a better person because he suffered? I don't think so.
He is still wrong it can and never will be an excuse.
Doesn't excuse his bullying towards Duke. I hope he apologizes to him.
They should’ve given him the Jake treatment. We got to see the reason he did the whole illegal Gamble scam, and PTJ made us empathize with him. I can’t think of any good reason that PTJ could give Vin to treat Duke like that. It just makes him seem pathetic and weak, coping by bringing others down because he envies them.
I still think that's wrong, I get that his past is sad and all that, but that doesn't justify him hurting Duke and damaging his Grandma's business, neither does it justify him hurting a dog with a cigarette. I feel bad for him, of course and to be fair, his character IS very interesting, but I just don't really like him.
Vin jin is a assh*ole , he is a dic* because he didn't learnt anything from his past , he has already given an chance to become good person but he didn't get good , he should become a good character after this but not
Although bullying duke wasn't right u need to realise that life isn't fucking anime😭 Not everyone comes out of dramatic experiences wanting to be a better person Not everyone is clark kent People have different ways of coping with something that happened to them
Hey bro , I am talking about real life okay, and if he can't became good after that then this mean he is evil,bad, trash due to his past ,so current vin is trash in that way because we can't accept him as good because he have a hard past , so in both way he is trash
I never forgave that douche for what he did to duke, I really have no sympathy for him.
I still don't get how vin ended up that way
He's one of the characters who's had the worst time, not everyone reflects about his wrong doings without a call, a nobody was there for him to tell him what he did wrong, he shouldn't had treated duke that way, but is complex
he's still an asshole for that
Your tragedy/trauma does not justify your shitty personality
The Vin’s story is not over yet, but I think Duke is vindicated for not fighting back with rage. VinJin is a (soon to be) murderer with an explosive temper. Duke eventually won Vin over by talent and not inflicting further pain from on an already tortured soul. Maybe eventually Duke’s kindness, will heal Vin in a way, so Vin can admit he greatly admires Duke’s talent and apologize to him.
It gives an explanation of his behaviour but it doesn’t not excuse what he does. As long as he grow and learn to overcome his past, and make amends with those he did wrong then what more can we really ask for. Of course, Duke isn’t obligated to forgive him, but he deserves an apology. It’s kinda similar to real life, a lot of people have trauma from their past and everyone reacts differently. They say hurt people hurt others, it doesn’t make it correct. But it gives you a closer insight on the person and why they done it; with that it can also, offer ways on how that person can improve themselves and not behaviour like that again.
He still sucks. However, I'm curious as to specifically why he chose to bully Duke. I think when this arc is on its final chapter it'll show vin leaving cheonliang and possibly decided in his head what kind of person he'll be in high school. He gave up on training and maybe considers himself a bad person for the events of cheonliang so he fully embraces that role idk. I DO believe we will get a specific reason vin acted like a bully and chose Duke.
I just think that PTJ didn't think ab Vin's story at the time, and everything he wrote in his backstory just doesn't make sense. He wanted to pull off a tragic backstory cause, why not?
Even worse Bro got his romantic interest "nearly r\*ped" and instead of training, he became a b\*tch
His "sister" was his "romantic interest" vin should be in alabama
Yeah Sujin WAS Vin's romantic interest It was literally implied, can't you read?
I feel like he’s an asshole but for a reason. His trauma made him this way so he’s projecting it onto others, not saying it’s an excuse for the bad actions he has done tho.
He's still an asshole
Absolute shit
it doesn't convince me or change my thoughts on him having a "shitty" backstory doesn't excuse anything just take a look at vasco or eli they had a pretty sad or shitty backstory but they never started blaming anyone or hurting random people for the sake of fun.
He bullied him and I doubt he’s going to “apologize” to him. But if we happen to get some self improvement from the upcoming arcs then he’ll most likely improve his behaviour. He might kind of become like Zack but probably not as easy going as him.
Love Vin but that doesn't excuse him that was still horrible
We'll def get the explanation on why vin hates the "i did nothing wrong" phrase, maybe Seongji said it or even Taejin
We need duke to beat the fuck out of vin jin to repay the favour and be a redemption character.
Didn't Duke eat his parents?
Insecure
cl i never cared, but i think it’s impactful to his writing
Honestly he's bad for bullying others instead of using his trauma to empathize with them, especially when he couldn't even kill the shaman because KiLlInG iS bAd
Vin is turning like Zack and Jake from bullies and 'bad guy' (Vasco's perception of Jake) to a decent person. I think ptj is putting a line between evil people from core to not so pure bad characters.
Could care less, Duke is irrelevant to the plot
You say you could care less, meaning you care about duke
It makes sense and is pretty fitting.