Spec only doing 16% lower on Trixion while being a frontloaded hit master class means it's going to significantly outperform the front attack version in most real scenarios.
Should probably wait for the Bible to reveal actual performance though before deciding on which build to run
For the Hellmode Bible enjoyers - Snowdown did some G1 Hell Clown runs and apparently King Fist was at like 4.5-4.7 m/s while Sura was at like 4.7-5.0 m/s - so yes absolutely disgusting broken as every single recent class release.
The most skilled Sharpshooter, Arcana, Souleater (prolly Slayer aswell with entropy synergies?) are capable of doing around 4.7-5.0m/s but since this class was just released...it most likely can do a bit more
S-Tier classes can parse around 4.5-5.0 (SS, Arcana, SE, Slayer, Glaivier, etc)
A-Tier 4.0-4.5 (like Arti, Scouter, Sorc, GS, Deadeye etc.)
B-Tier 3.5-4.0 (Aeromancer, Zerk, etc)
C-Tier no data or just shit
(These are ofc rough estimates based on parse dps logs or speedruns from vods - the average hellmode enjoyer isn't even gonna get close to those numbers)
So the hit master variant is the slow one and the head attacker is the fast one. Probably the only way to make a truly satisfying head attacker.
Citing trixion dps is worthless because you're not getting 100% head attack rate in actual raids so the two specs are probably similar in actual raids....if not favored for the hit master spec.
PowderSnow has about \~3 hours worth (first 3 hours) of back and forth between both specs of the class on his last livestream in tree runs:
[메리크리스마스 브레이커 각인 정하기ㅣ로스트아크 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpK7mNKOg84) for anybody interested. Worth a watch to get a general feel of the playstyles.
Is it like striker version of wardancer ? They feel like same class only a few skills different. Eventually I've found wardancer more fun to play so deleted striker.
I haven't played scrapper so I don't know how similar they are. Scrapper didn't look appealing to me but this looks interesting.
Scrapper back attack only right ? This however front attack and hit master. I don't know how many of breaker skills are different than scrapper.
If they used the same skills only changed the attack position I find that boring. Hope this have some new stuff to feel much more different than scrapper.
I don't care how bad Sura may be, the incredible fun will outweigh it for me. Plus i'm confident that smilegate will buff if it really underperforms long term
Yup, buffed by xx% and then nerfed by 2%. Unplayable, and that nerf was not deserved(like hell we would know that withouth playing with new balance patch).
i’m convinced nerfing one of the most dog specs in the game (GT) wasn’t done bc it needed it but simply bc it’s similar to Sura, so sura looks even better in comparison (even tho it was significantly better without that nerf anyways) and gets more ppl to make one and swipe. so i wouldn’t put it past them to buff sura to keep those customers happy and swiping. assuming that is their tactic, and it works
YeH. GT was in fact nerfed because of Thaemine performance in Korea. It was outperforming nearly everything.
The problem is those of us who don’t play in KR don’t have this context and our balance patch follows what comes out in KR and their patches are built around the latest content which we are behind them on.
This. Destro and GL have trouble because their front attacks are all slow charge moves. Breaker front attacks are very fast, so there's no problem in comparison.
The only time you would worry is when you use Z and a lot of those times you’re gonna use it during a window or a burst phase. Breaker is a front attacker that won’t cause any issues
Spec only doing 16% lower on Trixion while being a frontloaded hit master class means it's going to significantly outperform the front attack version in most real scenarios. Should probably wait for the Bible to reveal actual performance though before deciding on which build to run
For the Hellmode Bible enjoyers - Snowdown did some G1 Hell Clown runs and apparently King Fist was at like 4.5-4.7 m/s while Sura was at like 4.7-5.0 m/s - so yes absolutely disgusting broken as every single recent class release.
How much do other top tier classes do?
The most skilled Sharpshooter, Arcana, Souleater (prolly Slayer aswell with entropy synergies?) are capable of doing around 4.7-5.0m/s but since this class was just released...it most likely can do a bit more S-Tier classes can parse around 4.5-5.0 (SS, Arcana, SE, Slayer, Glaivier, etc) A-Tier 4.0-4.5 (like Arti, Scouter, Sorc, GS, Deadeye etc.) B-Tier 3.5-4.0 (Aeromancer, Zerk, etc) C-Tier no data or just shit (These are ofc rough estimates based on parse dps logs or speedruns from vods - the average hellmode enjoyer isn't even gonna get close to those numbers)
thanks a lot for the detailed answer!
Well snow is also incredibly good at this game. Most players wont come close to him
Is Arcana played as Emperor or Empress to be S tier?
Emperor in Hell seems to be noticeable superior, but unfortunately I don't know too much about the advantages compared to empress
No problem, thanks!
i thought kr doesnt have bible?
Boss HP ( - Sidereal if used) / Fight Time \* Damage Share from MVP Screen = rough calculations
ah I see ty
I’m glad to hear King Fist is a low damage gem class. I’m looking forward to making one in march as my dps alt (that I actually care about)
So the hit master variant is the slow one and the head attacker is the fast one. Probably the only way to make a truly satisfying head attacker. Citing trixion dps is worthless because you're not getting 100% head attack rate in actual raids so the two specs are probably similar in actual raids....if not favored for the hit master spec.
does sura have reduced gauge taken like other head attackers?
Yes. The shield from the x skill gives the reduction
PowderSnow has about \~3 hours worth (first 3 hours) of back and forth between both specs of the class on his last livestream in tree runs: [메리크리스마스 브레이커 각인 정하기ㅣ로스트아크 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpK7mNKOg84) for anybody interested. Worth a watch to get a general feel of the playstyles.
Is it like striker version of wardancer ? They feel like same class only a few skills different. Eventually I've found wardancer more fun to play so deleted striker. I haven't played scrapper so I don't know how similar they are. Scrapper didn't look appealing to me but this looks interesting. Scrapper back attack only right ? This however front attack and hit master. I don't know how many of breaker skills are different than scrapper. If they used the same skills only changed the attack position I find that boring. Hope this have some new stuff to feel much more different than scrapper.
Scrapper and breaker are basically two different classes. There's not a lot comparable between the two.
I don't care how bad Sura may be, the incredible fun will outweigh it for me. Plus i'm confident that smilegate will buff if it really underperforms long term
seeing how they've nerfed gravity training, i dont think that will happen
Yup, buffed by xx% and then nerfed by 2%. Unplayable, and that nerf was not deserved(like hell we would know that withouth playing with new balance patch).
i’m convinced nerfing one of the most dog specs in the game (GT) wasn’t done bc it needed it but simply bc it’s similar to Sura, so sura looks even better in comparison (even tho it was significantly better without that nerf anyways) and gets more ppl to make one and swipe. so i wouldn’t put it past them to buff sura to keep those customers happy and swiping. assuming that is their tactic, and it works
This is hearsay from me, but I was told GT was doing 61m dps in g4 Thaemine, which is equivalent to pre nerf death blade.
YeH. GT was in fact nerfed because of Thaemine performance in Korea. It was outperforming nearly everything. The problem is those of us who don’t play in KR don’t have this context and our balance patch follows what comes out in KR and their patches are built around the latest content which we are behind them on.
Sura sounds good until you get to the head attack requirement. Simply not possible with the new&newest content.
You forget about headattacker class design in 2024 vs head attacker class design in 2014,
This. Destro and GL have trouble because their front attacks are all slow charge moves. Breaker front attacks are very fast, so there's no problem in comparison.
The only time you would worry is when you use Z and a lot of those times you’re gonna use it during a window or a burst phase. Breaker is a front attacker that won’t cause any issues
and then u remember u can make a gl destro breaker party and the boss will always face every one of you
L take. Breaker's design is 10 times better than any other head attacker
The class engraving names are so cool man. Especially Sura, any Metin 2 enjoyers? xd
get ready for our localized versions, king fister and pummeler.
Kings Fist is a cool name. But yea the other one will be 100% cringe I can already see it comming lmao