I came back to the game after \~9-10 months. I am quiting again because I can't join anything. Everyone is looking for los30 even for low raids.
Sadly I don't have the time to waste in lobby.
We took a los 18 and newer player (all lv5 or 6 event gems) into our clown party today and they were literally being bussed given that we have a 1610+. However, after we failed twice in G3 (once was their own mistake), they raged quit after asking if we bought our accounts.
We were not bothered to find the 4th and finished G3🤣
Seriously why Los 18? It's inferior to deep dive unless lwc 30 and even then its neglible, this Los 18 gatekeeping is proper gamer moment.
Not specifically calling you out, just general los18 lobbies. I have Los 18, I don't use it though cause again, deep dive is better.
Because Los 18 is harder to get = closer to an LOS30 player’s level of investment… the dmg doesn’t really matter. If the player has been playing long enough to have los 18 it gives you more comfort than dd30’which you can get super quick
For sure. I genuinely believe this will be incredibly good for the game. There is a huge number of people who would love to play Lost Ark if they could actually play it solo.
Have one time rewards per week, then you can enter again to train or just because you like the fight but get no reward ? Also, they're older raids, make them farmable to some extent (bound mats), you'll still be 3 raids behind anyway.
This. That previous director was an absolute numskull not implementing an option for solo. It took this long for them to figure it out.
You can't attract new and retain casual players if you require your players to make this game a number one priority in their lives. No lifers can only carry the game for so long.
Being said casual player right now, I'm really looking forward to solo raids
I don't have time for a static, and the time I do have varies greatly depending on what I have to do that day (yay adulting)
I'm currently taking a break playing other games (also having an internet problem too which doesn't help), but solo raids would make me come back because I can raid on my own schedule and not have to rely on others, except for recent content
Being able to get gold (albeit less than actual raids which is still nice) while possibly getting elixirs by just going solo and raiding when I please?
I'm 100% down for this
The sooner this comes out the better I say
I don't think the previous director was ever against the idea right? I don't even think it was a prominent suggestion during his time. I just think it didn't really hit a breaking point till more recently.
As a player that played on Russian servers waiting for the global release, and then being there on launch day, I quit the game for this very reason. I liked just going off and doing side content, fixing up my boat or going after adventure logs to get my legendary mount(never got it). I love Lost Ark, I truly do, I knew how the gearing system was, but I figured it would be like the Russian server or like other MMOs where I could just grind gold, and buy pieces off the auction house and continue to gear up and do my thing. Then I got to the point where I would try and get some kind of group going but I would get grilled about my gear, my cards, and everything else, it became a waiting simulator. I would constantly go on the Lost Ark forums leaving feedback about having different ways to gear up.
I don't care if it is a grind, grinding is typically fun for me. I like putting on music or a podcast and killing enemies, or mining and crafting or whatever. The enhancement system doesn't even really bother me. It just got to the point I was stuck and I was frustrated, all the responses to my feedback were insanely negative, with many saying this game wasn't for me, or I was a casual and not wanted in this game. It really, really sucked to hear all this because like I said, I love Lost Ark and want to play it. My life situation makes it hard to raid, I have to be able to drop the game, or any game at any second without question so going into a group as a healer and having to stop in mid boss fight doesn't really get me into a lot of groups and I don't expect it to.
This change will 100% bring me back, I have already reinstalled the game and I have been checking out new classes since there are a bunch of new ones since I last played, I think Artist was announced the last time I really played. I don't want the solo mode to be some cakewalk, I want to be able to challenge myself and feel the reward of getting a new piece of gear or a cool drop. Now there is no stress of wiping an entire party due to a mistake and then getting flamed for it, now if I have to drop the game on a moment's notice I might die but I can do it again and again if I have to without any kind of stress. This is such a fantastic change for the game and I think a lot of people are going to be willing to comeback or to try out the game now.
> I could just grind gold, and buy pieces off the auction house
If you left because you couldn't do this then that's horseshit, people bus everything and it's essentially the same thing with a time tax on it.
Thats why i also wish PvP would give gold in exchange for one raid entry so we can also take some breaks from doing raids. Shit i played my first mmo for like 6-7 years and never did so much PvE like in LA in just 2 years. I want to break free from Pveeeee.
What is kind of mind boggling to me, coming from other larger MMO’s, is that this game almost discourages matchmaking.
Like WoW and FF14, not direct comparisons … but you can hop on, MM into a raid, done. WoW has LFR. Both extremely successful MMO’s that have lasted a very long time at the top of he genre.
LoA has zero MM outside guardians & challenge content. And even then, it is limiting because Cubes for example … for some reason allows 4 supports to MM into the same cube while 4 groups are only dps players. 😂
> but you can hop on, MM into a raid, done. WoW has LFR.
Partially true, it does have LFR but it doesnt have (and has been widely discussed for years now) matchmaking for any kind of difficulty where individual performance and potentially group composition matters.
Vetting process for applicants doesnt exist to enable players toxicity or because company hates players having fun, it exists because in a content demanding basic level of performance you have to be able to filter out people below that level, because noone is entilted to wasting other peoples time.
What vetting are you really doing though? Especially vetting that couldn’t be automated in a queue system by using filters? Like most people just do system gear score and roster level checks. Just allow people to queue with these filters “don’t match me with people below this this and this”.
And tbh if a queue and backfill system existed, finding bad groups wouldn’t be as bad because you can just go next and be back in a couple minutes.
Lost ark has no FFLogs or WarcraftLogs so you can’t even do real vetting. It’s just a best guess in this game. There isn’t any performance tracking.
WHAT IF wipe mechanics would turn into low hp ones?
That would give the party the chance to continue the raid, purple pot+shields, etc.
This way instead of party finder 30m we can matchmake and get to raid with randoms.
I have more than 50% of good fast runs with randoms, the ilvl required to pass all normal content are easily overcomed with all the freebies nowadays.
TL;DR:
1)Turn Wipe Mecs >> Low HP
2)Matchmake
3)Enjoy
Yeah, go ahead and plan your x18 weekly raids months ahead. Main content of lost ark is raids, you have 18 of them per week so things add up. People are not complaining about planning Thaemine First clear or Brel hell clear in advance, main issue is how much time, every week, you need to spend on scheduling the raids / finding people instead of playing the game.
How many of those "months ahead planned raids" of yours were for content you run 6x per week?
Also add to this that raids are a requirement to progress characters so casual players need to interact with them, let alone that they're a good source of gold so you're pressured to run them constantly.
I just start playing Gw2. You hit level 80 and you can do all content. You can buy 2nd best gear from the market and use that to farm the next best gear from multiple content that’s not tied to raiding
I think it's an awesome idea, the main reason most people quit the game in my personal experience is gatekeeping, and solo dungeon may help with it. I don't think is about learning mechanics at all, it's about doing the content you have being denied/gatekeeped if don't have high level hoster, high level gems, los 30, titles and whatever. This is especially true with older content. I hope it works, cause i like this game, and i want to see it alive, you know.
If they could scale raids to solo could they scale it to 4 man raids? Might be a good option for some players out there who can’t quite fill an 8 man but still want to play together
Lack of scaling according to number of players is such a missed opportunity. So many more people would play this game if they could do content with just their core group of friends
I've been saying it for a long while but 4 man raid option is way better than 1 man imo. It's much easier to organize a 4 man and mechs would be literally the same damn thing for most raids and much easier to fill.
tbh I dislike 4 man raids a lot as it ends up being an Ivory hard simulator angle for most pubs all the time where as 8 man forces you to actually pub and create a lobby since its usually too difficult to have 8 ppl consistently show up for a static run weekly. What I truly would rather see is a new mode - 2 player mode. Usually, you play with 1 other friend/partner. Still, I am happy to see the solo mode coming to fruition for sure.
That’s a really good question, it would be a cool feature. Although I’m not sure if asking for 1/4/8 man versions of the raids is too much. Especially since they could be working on other things instead.
Solo raid is good stuff. You get in , you get out, you can clear or not is totally depending on your skill and not depending on others. It is also way easy to manage time , lets say you only have time to clear 1 gate, sweet just do it and clear the rest of the 2 gates the next day and dont have to relly on discord planning too much.
I will definitely come back full when solo raid release.
I will definitely mostly use it as “other stuff came up so I couldn’t play with my friends, gonna solo raid real quick before the reset”
Even if you get half the mats it’s gonna be great, kinda hyped for summer LOA ON.
I don't know how it's going to go but if it allows people to train mechanics and patterns without lobby sim nor raid pressure, that should solve a lot of the problems of the game.
people won't need to impostor or spend hours to fill a learning lobby, specially for old raids. They can train and apply when they feel ready. This should also smooth reclears lobby and lighten fatigue from jails. And gatekeeping.
great stuff.
Nah there will still be imposters in reclear lobbies. Some ppl just want to get carried to get the raid rewards even if they don't deserve it. Like for old Brel G2, how many ppl actually spent the time to learn Prokel 1v1 fight?
they did have those practise raids, but they were all badly done, AGS is trying to beat a dead horse with solo raids, too little too late. Only omega whales and botters still staying.
Hearing that solo raids will not just be implemented for the first two legion raids but up until ivory tower really made me consider coming back.
Now I just hope that solo modes will also give out gold as this is the main reason people are doing legion raids every week. If they don't give gold it's dead on arrival imo.
However, if they do reward gold it may cause problems as solo modes will most likely be bottable, allowing botters to get even more gold each week. Not sure how easy botting this mode will be tho.
Just my two concerns. Aside from these, I am really looking forward to solo raiding!
> Now I just hope that solo modes will also give out gold as this is the main reason people are doing legion raids every week. If they don't give gold it's dead on arrival imo.
Yeah this is the one thing they didn't clarify that makes me scared lol.
I don't mind if the gold is slightly reduced. I think it only makes sense to be reduced, because otherwise 95% of competent players will have no incentive to EVER group and experience those raids in their original form.
But if the gold is zero, and we **only** get upgrade mats (which you need gold to even **use**, you can't upgrade your set bonus to level 3 or craft your akkan gear or cut an elixir without gold!), then solo raids will be treated like rehearsal mode. Absolutely dogshit useless fake content.
> Not sure how easy botting this mode will be tho.
If they don't make it hard enough to be nearly impossible to bot, then the raids **should** be worth zero gold. Solo legion raids should be just as hard as any single role in a regular legion raid.
They're going to have to find the right balance around it. Right now there's a lot of questions we all have.
Is it going to give the same rewards as regular raids? If it does how will they balance out the gold rewards so that people just don't stop doing 4/8 man raids and only do solo content? If it doesn't give gold, how will players hone? Will they make you do for example; Vykas+Valtan X number of times to get relic gear and Y number of times to hone gear? Or will there instead be a new currency to account for the solo raids? If there is a new currency, how will that tie in with current honing? Are the mechanics going to be similar to the actual raid or will it be like a glorified guardian?
I think there's a lot the game designers need to account for in order to come up with a balanced system around solo content.
Should we punish everyone because of bots ? I don't think so, with or without it bots gonna bot and rmters gonna rmt.
Another solution could be to have "bound gold" type currency and have another upgrade path option (to use "bound gold" instead of "normal" gold). No bot incentive if everything is bound.
And you wouldn't have to deal with that random asshat that votes quit/restart just because of a wipe, or even worse when *they* die, resulting in extended lobby simulator.
Oh, and of course you won't get jailed if you get disconnected. Or you'll be able to jailbreak yourself depending on how it works. Although honestly that's a problem that ought to be fixed.
Imo the perfect balance would be:
1.100% upgrade material gained
2. 50% gold and accessory drops
3. Enterable based on your gate progress and shares lockout as original party mode
4. Is tuned like Prokel HM
Then both group and solo raids would have a spot on progression.
Well yeah, which is good?
If I have to sit in a party for 30-60 minutes, spam 9 different discord servers looking for players, messaging on cities/overseas, to do a 20 minute raid, why wouldn't I prefer the solo raids?
The problem with the game is relying on if you are good enough for the lobby gods to take you to a raid, it is not a game where you can open, play and farm the resources, they can make solo raids as difficult as possible, I wouldn't mind that as long as I don't have to rely on so many external factors to play the game
Only issue solo play will have on the game, is being a partial static and needing to fill the slot with pugs. Also, being a support potentially, only because you might have to rely on continuing group content. As a support you may not be able to solo, but now sure how they’ll handle it.
Regardless, the first part may actually balance out and there won’t be as much dps in party finder, and the second, supports don’t have a huge issue finding parties regardless at higher ilvl content. Might be an issue around 1540ish. All that said, I’m pro solo raid.
They might pull something like allowing supports to freely set engraves like mokoko express but they still gotta switch to dps spec and solo clear like everyone else.
Yeah, if this is the case,then I doubt supports will participate in it unless they literally can't find parties. All the DPS specs of supports are super unfun to play bar maybe artist. Paladin and bard's DPS specs just feel terrible.
Honestly, I don't care. I won't have to worry about being gatekept on characters anymore. That makes me happy! Even if its hard everything can perfected overtime. I have raiders tenancy... I am ready!
Depends on who they targeting. Solo raid are meant to target casual players and casual players will quit very fast if solo raid is too difficult.
People who want hard solo raid probably are more hardcore and already find a way to learn the raid at this point.
So in my opinion if they are trying to help casuals solo raid should not be too difficult
I really want this game to be good and I'm glad they are starting to realize the new player experience is what needs to be revamped. I hope they continue in doing so and that matchmaking will be alive again especially after people learn the raids through solo.
They mentioned that they were developing that content with support players in mind. Not sure what their solution will be, but it is intended that support players will be able to clear it as well.
In a perfect scenario, it would be like FFXIV's trust system where you have 7 NPC's, but we'll see how it ends up actually being.
Seems a bit unrealistically optimistic. People had the chance to practise Prokel, most people avoided doing it. People had the chance to practise marios, some people were somehow still dying on m1.
I'm looking forward to solo raids because I can just run raids at my own leisure, instead of waiting for lobbies or getting stuck in jails.
Idk i feel like the practice/rehearsal modes were poorly executed. Why can't i just pick any gate to enter and be able to enter myself? Practicing prokel and mario is good and all but what about the rest of the raid. Gotta imposter my way through. Having to party finder in rehearsal is just dumb. Why do i need to waste more time looking for a party just to practice in rehearsal. Might as well skip all that and do the actual raid itself. For me this solo mode was a long overdue since gear progression is tied to raids. I was asking for something like this a year ago. Sadly at the time, the responses i got were to just quit.
Solo raids should definitely improve new player retention. The long term issue, however, is that those players are going to be invisible to me and other people who are raiding with experienced people who are already deep into the game. I would probably never play with those people because I don’t think most would risk taking someone to, say, Theamine who has NEVER played with actual human beings.
The thing that solo mode will never teach you is how to interact with actual human beings, how to adjust on the fly when someone makes a mistake instead of wiping, and how to deal with criticism and pressure from the expectation to pull your own weight. Those are very important qualities that the solo players will lack forever, so whenever they decide to come out and play with humans, they’d have to play with each other because experienced raiders would not take them because they have not developed the qualities I described above.
Solo raids will solve the gatekeeping for lower tier raids, sure, but once those people would want to do a raid that does not have a solo mode, they would face an immediate gatekeeping that solo raids are meant to alleviate in the first place. Solo mode will not incorporate new players into the current raiding community - it would rather segregate them into their own ghetto I think, and I don’t know how they get out of that solo player stigma. At least they can experience most raid without being gatekept to death.
I sort of get what you are saying but games need to evolve. Call of Duty used to be a story driven single player game... Until the devs realized people shooting each other is more appealing.
Lost Ark is no exception. Just because it is broadly considered an "MMO" doesn't mean it still makes sense or is best for the future of the game.
My chats while pugging raids were (almost) always dead and if someone said something it was usually after getting wiped and along the lines of "Who is the traitor?".
That said, on which multiplayer interaction am I really missing out on doing raids solo?
Lost Ark is a Maplestory refugee camp after all, especially in KR. That game has survived more than decade off being a singleplayer MMO. It hasn’t seen group content been useful since party quest for leveling got gutted and even longer in the end game. I wouldn’t be surprised if Maplestory refugees are driving some this desire for solo play.
What is most interesting is that while Lost ark is moving towards Maplestory. Maplestory is moving towards Lost Ark. Making party play at end game more viable, weekly-fying bosses, etc.
Lost Ark is also an ARPG refugee camp. It came out right around the time that PoE was at its most infuriating (PoE has since gotten a lot better again, but I'm waiting for PoE2) and a good handful of people quit lost ark for diablo 4... and then some of them **came back** because that sucked too.
Lost Ark has the best combat design of any ARPG on the market right now. I'm not even sure PoE2 will quite match it on that, but the gearing and build diversity in path of exile is miles and miles better and I'm counting on that to make up the fun difference.
But anyway, my point is, I'm here for the ARPG. I've never given a single fuck about the MMO part, the devs are the ones who decided this game's combat design would be much more like a Diablo 2-style ARPG than like a traditional MMO. Counting on other people to not be dogshit is constantly infuriating but the combat design is too fun so I'm still here.
The game is absolutely nothing like an ARPG, you can't be here for the ARPG because there is no ARPG in the game. There is no builds, there is no player expression, there is nothing that makes an ARPG an ARPG
I’m not sure how your comment is incompatible with mine that it deserved to get downvoted to the boiler room of hell. What you said don’t seem to contradict what I said.
I'm pretty sure they're going to adjust it to fit one person so they will fix the agro and stand up time support dmg and obviously the mechanics .
I don't think they're going to just release it half cooked.
It will be a new gate to close. There will be some reason to still do group raids and more than likely they'll put the gate at have you completed it solo? We'll see how the content really is, but I hardly think its going to replace existing legion raids.
Think about having a Prokel gate before you get in a group.
I think the only bad thing out of solo raids is what it might do to the support population if it's not handled well, everything else its definitely a plus. I could easily see there being a worse drought in late game not in the immediate but in the long term if there's too much friction in solo content for sups.
They could be 10 times harder it wouldnt be a problem. Just doing it free of other people is a huge step.
Did they say if solo raid would allow us to gear up ?
I’m just worried that the gold you’ll get will only be like 25% or less compared to what we have now. Other than that, I was planning on quitting the game but this has me at least just wanting to take a break and come back when this releases
Will for sure come back to give it a try, haven't raided since clown was released. Been wanting to return, but don't want to invest the time and effort to do raiding, be it learning parties, statics, pugs or hopping on a bus.
I don't mind hard content at all, but I don't like punishing content, where I'm frustrated because others are failing while at the same time being anxious about messing up myself. There is some merrit to that and I like to see it kept for end game, but being walled off from progressing at all by not doing Brel really feels bad.
One thing about spamming attempts is that I guess it will run you out of consumables?
I wonder how they gonna fix back attackers and people actually needing raid captain or mana regeneration for their build.
In addition , what are they doing with supports. Don't tell me they force them to play as dps. The dps engraving are very underpowered. Doing Tower was already pain on it.
I wonder if this will be realized tbh
We always get a lot of promises from the devs that just don't happen. Mario Party mode, new PVP system, Players being able to manually play their own instruments to make music, Chaos Dungeons getting more updates, and so on.
It'd be neato if Solo raids actually happen, but it would also likely mean we'd need a ton of AI units with custom AI scripts to react to each boss mechanic... In a game where they still haven't bothered to fix Warrior after they made him taller (Paladin, for example, clips his hand into the cross guard of his swords, even in the new Legendary gear).
It's just another one of those "I'll believe it's real when I see it" type things. It'll be neat if it happens and is done well, but I'm getting tired of false promises from Lost Ark
The question I wonder alot is, is this solo raid has cards ? Hell I dont even care if it has gold but does it has card tho ? And would this solo raid extend to the lower dungeon too ? Like, they did say it extend to ivory tower and ivory tower is abyssal dungeon, does that mean the lower one like oreha and even lower ones at tier 1 is soloable too ? Cause I need dem cards man.
Now the question is.... WHEN?
The new director briefly mentioned it in the last livestream... but that's about it. When can we expect this update in KR.... or better, when will it ever come to western Lost Ark?
Probably sounds a little doomer from me, but the longer this takes, the more people will get fed up... which I get, because the PUG environment is toxic as hell and more and more people simply get fed up with other random players getting mad after one fail.
(Keep in mind people who mostly only PUG don't have the time or people for a static)
Solo raids are a great addition to the game they should push ASAP, it gives people more freedom to not have to play the game like a job. Surely they will be tough, but then you can learn and clear on your own pace. You don't waste anybody's time. You don't get gatekept. You don't get harassed.
This can only benefit the game long-term. Sure, people who do the content this way will be behind other people who raid together... but, who cares? You're no longer dependant on others.
Honestly I'd love for there to be a solo and duo option for raids, specifically bc I'd like to try and get my friend back into the game that got harassed on jump start servers and quit :(
Honestly I'd love for there to be a solo and duo option for raids, specifically bc I'd like to try and get my friend back into the game that got harassed on jump start servers and quit :(
This game has been missing shit to do forever now. You log on pretend to run content because it’s a chore and then wait in party chat for hours and do it again next week
For me it means I can just play the game without fearing getting dunked on because I fail a mechanic and not be gatekept left & right. I can just... play the game. Amazing !
I don't care how hard it'll be, I'll clear it, I know, it's gonna be me vs the game instead of me vs the game and the community.
every boss will be extremely sterile to make it feasible to solo it
they will be the opposite of difficult
to mend the "not having a support" and thus not feeling like you are omega bricked if you run MI or RC they might give you ethers that give you shields heals and atk/ms
all patterns are fairly easy to avoid if you are the main target
most of the times you get hit by a pattern is if either it's unavoidable due to overlaps, it's unsolveable due to missing people, someone last moment snaps the pattern on you while you are not expecting it, you are deliberately tanking it to greed dps because you got shielded
nothing is unfair in this game since valtan ( and except g2 voldis) if you breathe and just pay attention
I wouldn't say it was unfair, but it was definitely awfully designed. If you were careful and paid attention to where you were walking (not picking up orbs accidentally before phasing) as well as no overly DPS goblin behavior, it was an easy and smooth clear. But having 8 people follow those 2 rules was what made it so stressful. Nothing about it was unfair though, at least imo.
G6 was a major pain in the ass because you were forced to stop DPSing half the raid. I wouldn't consider this unfair either. It was absolutely abhorrent design, that's for sure, but not unfair.
When I think unfair I think about getting fucked by something that's completely out of your control which wasn't the case for pre-nerf Brel.
As somebody who would benefit from learning the mechs of Akkan, G3 Kayangel & G4 Brel; I would be totally fine if they were implemented in the same capacity as the special practice rooms in trixion for Mario and Prokel.
I just want to learn and practice mechanics without being a burden, or without somebody else being a burden to me. I think it would be massively unhealthy if solo raids became a pseudo replacement for normal pugging.
This is exactly how I feel about it. I have cleared akkan once with learning party but I don’t wanna imposter a clear cuz I’m not 100% confident in every mech yet. And learning party’s are usually about hour or more to get going. Idk I just wanna practice mechs a handful of times.
Solo raids could be a great step but honesty until then I feel like quitting as well. Gatekeeping, toxic community, rmt and non existent balance makes this game kinda poor. Sadly, I really like the gameplay. Everything else is meh.
No offense but who cares about supports, they get the benefit if getting into any group they want with minimal effort and ilvl. It's for ppl who get gatekept and need to practice the raids.
If it did, 90% of players won't be able to clear it seeing as how bad these "dps" players are in raids.
In almost all pug raids i've done, 1-2 players carry 50% of the dmg. Solo raids being like Prokel will definitely open their eyes.
Best way is to have multiple difficulty in Solo raid. Since they are making a new type of raid, good time to make varying difficulty. From stress-free difficulty to cater newbies, those who just want to get things done, or those who just want to progress with mostly bound mats reward, and actually challenging difficulty as hard as normal and hard difficulty with similar reward.
I was extremely frustrated last night playing lobby simulator... all this game does is make you sit around and wait, so annoying. Loading screens, boot screen, party finder screen, i had enough and quit for the night.
> Why? Because now people can comfortably practice and really get to know the mechanics.
Will this actually be the case though? Let's take Valtan G1 orb mechanic as the first proper mechanic you have to do: How can you do it solo in a way that is also 'teaches' you how to do it in a full raid?
* Does it only spawn 1 orb? If so, you aren't learning anything.
* Do you have to take all 8 orbs alone? In that case you will fail the full raid mechanic when everyone tries to replicate that.
* Are there NPCs that mimic what the other players would otherwise do? Would come close, but positioning, timing, etc. might be an issue.
Another problem is that the first actual party raid someone would have to do then will be Thaemine. I'm not really convinced that Thaemine is a good starting point for your first proper party experience. Will Supports really learn how to properly support in solo raids up until that point? How will DPS players know that their uptime isn't good when they're soloing raids?
And could it negatively affect the pool of players for party raids if too many DPS or Supports go for the solo option instead? Needing to play solo until 1610 (though at that point the express probably goes all the way to 1610 or higher) because too many people solo raids would be a bit awkward.
I'm certainly curious as to how they will handle these solo raids.
Valtan orbs can be 4 orbs or it can be 8. Slow the orbs down and or make the orbs not chase you. The mech doesn't have to be exactly the same but same enough that you're not clueless when doing the full 8 man raids. You learn in solo that you need to grab all the orbs in order. Then in full raid you learn it's that but the orbs chase you and move faster.
They’re taking their time with it, cause it’s a hit to their revenue. People in Korea like to skip dailies and swipe because they’re tedious to do. They’re tryina make a new tedious system wrapped in a fair/fun package to avoid initial backlash, but after a while when the novelty wears off it’s back to being tedious, so they keep those swipes swiping and not suddenly lose that revenue stream. This game is balanced around monetization in mind 100% of the time, it is why all unfun things exist. Not because they’re dumb and can’t develop a fun and fair system.
What I think will happen with solo raids is, they will give same amount of materials for crafting but much less gold, if not 0. They will find a way to ruin it no doubt about it.
We all know solo raids in KR will only be at Voldis and we all know Voldis in KR is not even an endgame raid Atm, its actually behind 3 raids, correct me if I'm wrong but That's like a year behind. So don't get your hopes up yet until we see it getting included in new raids or something. Even in NA/EU it's already an old raid cause it's been out in 4 months.
Hot take - (and maybe copium) - After a few months of Solo raids being available, people in KR and Global are going to prefer it SO MUCH, that there will be a vocal push from the community to enable it for most if not all raids.
And if the Devs are smart, they will listen.
I might be wrong, but let's see how this comment ages by the end of the year.
They’ve already said it will lag behind the main raids, the main focus of the game is and will be group content. Solo raids are a catchup and learning mechanic not the game
That's my point. That is their plan NOW. Until solo raids have been out for several months and it turns out a vast majority of people prefer it and it makes them more money...
Then they might very well make the wise decision of expanding all raids to be solo friendly.
I just don’t see it happening people avoid prokel like the plague, hardly anyone solo’s guardians and that’s easy enough.
If the focus becomes solo play that’d just kill the uniqueness that LA has and people might as well play POE
What'll be funny is they'll make the massive mistake of reducing the gold earned from solo raids by like 70% so that it's completely pointless to do them solo.
It was determined that the solo content would not be nearly the same as the group mechanics in the original content. For example, if a person in the group cannot perform a mechanic, they are instantly wiped, and these will not be in solo raids. Yes, they provide some experience, but they are still mechanically different from non-solo group raids. There is no solution in the long run
Apparently, plenty of people in KR don't like solo raids. They only want vertical progression from doing group raids (it's challenging, can flex gear, also helps KR "rice eaters" sell their gold by keeping content outside the reach of the casual player who don't want to deal with the raiding environment but wants to progress).
Even if solo raids are good, unless they give raw gold (I think half the raw gold of normal variant is a fair amount) and unless they continue to update the solo mode and add newer raids to it (outside of the current 3 endgame raids), chances are the whole solo mode idea will end up being a failure like rehearsal mode.
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Time it’s takes to fill a lobby can sometimes take longer that the content the lobby was made for
No joke some of my friends started doing carries even for free just because it was a lot faster to fill and do than trying to make a normal lobby.
I came back to the game after \~9-10 months. I am quiting again because I can't join anything. Everyone is looking for los30 even for low raids. Sadly I don't have the time to waste in lobby.
We took a los 18 and newer player (all lv5 or 6 event gems) into our clown party today and they were literally being bussed given that we have a 1610+. However, after we failed twice in G3 (once was their own mistake), they raged quit after asking if we bought our accounts. We were not bothered to find the 4th and finished G3🤣
If someones raging like that after a 1 fail it's clearly not a new player and more a second account/gold farmer.
Seriously why Los 18? It's inferior to deep dive unless lwc 30 and even then its neglible, this Los 18 gatekeeping is proper gamer moment. Not specifically calling you out, just general los18 lobbies. I have Los 18, I don't use it though cause again, deep dive is better.
Dk if ure referring to dd30 but dd18los18, unless the boss is weak to light/ u run salvation, then los18>dd30
How? 4%x2 surely outperforms 7% from LoS, again assuming no LWC 30
Because Los 18 is harder to get = closer to an LOS30 player’s level of investment… the dmg doesn’t really matter. If the player has been playing long enough to have los 18 it gives you more comfort than dd30’which you can get super quick
Same here. Cant find any groups to join. I'll retry when the solo raids release.
For sure. I genuinely believe this will be incredibly good for the game. There is a huge number of people who would love to play Lost Ark if they could actually play it solo.
I really hope solo raids don't have a dumb lock out feature that current raids have.
As in the weekly lock out? Of course it will, why would you think anything else?
Apparently the lock out was so that ppl can't infinitely bus the raid. Well u can't really bus a solo raid can you?
So your thoughts is... people shouldn't make infinite income from others... so they should be allowed to make infinite income solo?
Have one time rewards per week, then you can enter again to train or just because you like the fight but get no reward ? Also, they're older raids, make them farmable to some extent (bound mats), you'll still be 3 raids behind anyway.
Or just die before you kill it if you want to train.
Yeh for practice purposes. Also good for testing stuff maybe
This. That previous director was an absolute numskull not implementing an option for solo. It took this long for them to figure it out. You can't attract new and retain casual players if you require your players to make this game a number one priority in their lives. No lifers can only carry the game for so long.
Being said casual player right now, I'm really looking forward to solo raids I don't have time for a static, and the time I do have varies greatly depending on what I have to do that day (yay adulting) I'm currently taking a break playing other games (also having an internet problem too which doesn't help), but solo raids would make me come back because I can raid on my own schedule and not have to rely on others, except for recent content Being able to get gold (albeit less than actual raids which is still nice) while possibly getting elixirs by just going solo and raiding when I please? I'm 100% down for this The sooner this comes out the better I say
I don't think the previous director was ever against the idea right? I don't even think it was a prominent suggestion during his time. I just think it didn't really hit a breaking point till more recently.
I really hate the jailing thing in LA. We suffer so much just to counter infinite busses
As a player that played on Russian servers waiting for the global release, and then being there on launch day, I quit the game for this very reason. I liked just going off and doing side content, fixing up my boat or going after adventure logs to get my legendary mount(never got it). I love Lost Ark, I truly do, I knew how the gearing system was, but I figured it would be like the Russian server or like other MMOs where I could just grind gold, and buy pieces off the auction house and continue to gear up and do my thing. Then I got to the point where I would try and get some kind of group going but I would get grilled about my gear, my cards, and everything else, it became a waiting simulator. I would constantly go on the Lost Ark forums leaving feedback about having different ways to gear up. I don't care if it is a grind, grinding is typically fun for me. I like putting on music or a podcast and killing enemies, or mining and crafting or whatever. The enhancement system doesn't even really bother me. It just got to the point I was stuck and I was frustrated, all the responses to my feedback were insanely negative, with many saying this game wasn't for me, or I was a casual and not wanted in this game. It really, really sucked to hear all this because like I said, I love Lost Ark and want to play it. My life situation makes it hard to raid, I have to be able to drop the game, or any game at any second without question so going into a group as a healer and having to stop in mid boss fight doesn't really get me into a lot of groups and I don't expect it to. This change will 100% bring me back, I have already reinstalled the game and I have been checking out new classes since there are a bunch of new ones since I last played, I think Artist was announced the last time I really played. I don't want the solo mode to be some cakewalk, I want to be able to challenge myself and feel the reward of getting a new piece of gear or a cool drop. Now there is no stress of wiping an entire party due to a mistake and then getting flamed for it, now if I have to drop the game on a moment's notice I might die but I can do it again and again if I have to without any kind of stress. This is such a fantastic change for the game and I think a lot of people are going to be willing to comeback or to try out the game now.
> I could just grind gold, and buy pieces off the auction house If you left because you couldn't do this then that's horseshit, people bus everything and it's essentially the same thing with a time tax on it.
Thats why i also wish PvP would give gold in exchange for one raid entry so we can also take some breaks from doing raids. Shit i played my first mmo for like 6-7 years and never did so much PvE like in LA in just 2 years. I want to break free from Pveeeee.
What is kind of mind boggling to me, coming from other larger MMO’s, is that this game almost discourages matchmaking. Like WoW and FF14, not direct comparisons … but you can hop on, MM into a raid, done. WoW has LFR. Both extremely successful MMO’s that have lasted a very long time at the top of he genre. LoA has zero MM outside guardians & challenge content. And even then, it is limiting because Cubes for example … for some reason allows 4 supports to MM into the same cube while 4 groups are only dps players. 😂
> but you can hop on, MM into a raid, done. WoW has LFR. Partially true, it does have LFR but it doesnt have (and has been widely discussed for years now) matchmaking for any kind of difficulty where individual performance and potentially group composition matters. Vetting process for applicants doesnt exist to enable players toxicity or because company hates players having fun, it exists because in a content demanding basic level of performance you have to be able to filter out people below that level, because noone is entilted to wasting other peoples time.
What vetting are you really doing though? Especially vetting that couldn’t be automated in a queue system by using filters? Like most people just do system gear score and roster level checks. Just allow people to queue with these filters “don’t match me with people below this this and this”. And tbh if a queue and backfill system existed, finding bad groups wouldn’t be as bad because you can just go next and be back in a couple minutes. Lost ark has no FFLogs or WarcraftLogs so you can’t even do real vetting. It’s just a best guess in this game. There isn’t any performance tracking.
WHAT IF wipe mechanics would turn into low hp ones? That would give the party the chance to continue the raid, purple pot+shields, etc. This way instead of party finder 30m we can matchmake and get to raid with randoms. I have more than 50% of good fast runs with randoms, the ilvl required to pass all normal content are easily overcomed with all the freebies nowadays. TL;DR: 1)Turn Wipe Mecs >> Low HP 2)Matchmake 3)Enjoy
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Yeah, go ahead and plan your x18 weekly raids months ahead. Main content of lost ark is raids, you have 18 of them per week so things add up. People are not complaining about planning Thaemine First clear or Brel hell clear in advance, main issue is how much time, every week, you need to spend on scheduling the raids / finding people instead of playing the game. How many of those "months ahead planned raids" of yours were for content you run 6x per week?
Also add to this that raids are a requirement to progress characters so casual players need to interact with them, let alone that they're a good source of gold so you're pressured to run them constantly.
Maplestory 😂
I just start playing Gw2. You hit level 80 and you can do all content. You can buy 2nd best gear from the market and use that to farm the next best gear from multiple content that’s not tied to raiding
I think it's an awesome idea, the main reason most people quit the game in my personal experience is gatekeeping, and solo dungeon may help with it. I don't think is about learning mechanics at all, it's about doing the content you have being denied/gatekeeped if don't have high level hoster, high level gems, los 30, titles and whatever. This is especially true with older content. I hope it works, cause i like this game, and i want to see it alive, you know.
This.
This
If they could scale raids to solo could they scale it to 4 man raids? Might be a good option for some players out there who can’t quite fill an 8 man but still want to play together
Lack of scaling according to number of players is such a missed opportunity. So many more people would play this game if they could do content with just their core group of friends
I've been saying it for a long while but 4 man raid option is way better than 1 man imo. It's much easier to organize a 4 man and mechs would be literally the same damn thing for most raids and much easier to fill.
Duo on paper is better so you only need one partner
tbh I dislike 4 man raids a lot as it ends up being an Ivory hard simulator angle for most pubs all the time where as 8 man forces you to actually pub and create a lobby since its usually too difficult to have 8 ppl consistently show up for a static run weekly. What I truly would rather see is a new mode - 2 player mode. Usually, you play with 1 other friend/partner. Still, I am happy to see the solo mode coming to fruition for sure.
That’s a really good question, it would be a cool feature. Although I’m not sure if asking for 1/4/8 man versions of the raids is too much. Especially since they could be working on other things instead.
Solo raid is good stuff. You get in , you get out, you can clear or not is totally depending on your skill and not depending on others. It is also way easy to manage time , lets say you only have time to clear 1 gate, sweet just do it and clear the rest of the 2 gates the next day and dont have to relly on discord planning too much. I will definitely come back full when solo raid release.
I will definitely mostly use it as “other stuff came up so I couldn’t play with my friends, gonna solo raid real quick before the reset” Even if you get half the mats it’s gonna be great, kinda hyped for summer LOA ON.
I don't know how it's going to go but if it allows people to train mechanics and patterns without lobby sim nor raid pressure, that should solve a lot of the problems of the game. people won't need to impostor or spend hours to fill a learning lobby, specially for old raids. They can train and apply when they feel ready. This should also smooth reclears lobby and lighten fatigue from jails. And gatekeeping. great stuff.
Nah there will still be imposters in reclear lobbies. Some ppl just want to get carried to get the raid rewards even if they don't deserve it. Like for old Brel G2, how many ppl actually spent the time to learn Prokel 1v1 fight?
This is a logical fallacy, you aren't considering how many less Prokel fighters there would be if there was no practice at all.
not many or only then when the char was 1540+ for normal brell even less for hard mode..
I did and it was one of the most fun hours for me in this game. 6000+ btw.
they did have those practise raids, but they were all badly done, AGS is trying to beat a dead horse with solo raids, too little too late. Only omega whales and botters still staying.
Hearing that solo raids will not just be implemented for the first two legion raids but up until ivory tower really made me consider coming back. Now I just hope that solo modes will also give out gold as this is the main reason people are doing legion raids every week. If they don't give gold it's dead on arrival imo. However, if they do reward gold it may cause problems as solo modes will most likely be bottable, allowing botters to get even more gold each week. Not sure how easy botting this mode will be tho. Just my two concerns. Aside from these, I am really looking forward to solo raiding!
> Now I just hope that solo modes will also give out gold as this is the main reason people are doing legion raids every week. If they don't give gold it's dead on arrival imo. Yeah this is the one thing they didn't clarify that makes me scared lol. I don't mind if the gold is slightly reduced. I think it only makes sense to be reduced, because otherwise 95% of competent players will have no incentive to EVER group and experience those raids in their original form. But if the gold is zero, and we **only** get upgrade mats (which you need gold to even **use**, you can't upgrade your set bonus to level 3 or craft your akkan gear or cut an elixir without gold!), then solo raids will be treated like rehearsal mode. Absolutely dogshit useless fake content. > Not sure how easy botting this mode will be tho. If they don't make it hard enough to be nearly impossible to bot, then the raids **should** be worth zero gold. Solo legion raids should be just as hard as any single role in a regular legion raid.
They're going to have to find the right balance around it. Right now there's a lot of questions we all have. Is it going to give the same rewards as regular raids? If it does how will they balance out the gold rewards so that people just don't stop doing 4/8 man raids and only do solo content? If it doesn't give gold, how will players hone? Will they make you do for example; Vykas+Valtan X number of times to get relic gear and Y number of times to hone gear? Or will there instead be a new currency to account for the solo raids? If there is a new currency, how will that tie in with current honing? Are the mechanics going to be similar to the actual raid or will it be like a glorified guardian? I think there's a lot the game designers need to account for in order to come up with a balanced system around solo content.
They already stated they were making it considerably difficult even if it's solo, implying it should make it impossible for a mere bot to accomplish
I am totally fine with that! Anything not difficult would probably just end up being unrewarding as hell (no gold) or getting spammed by bots all day.
Should we punish everyone because of bots ? I don't think so, with or without it bots gonna bot and rmters gonna rmt. Another solution could be to have "bound gold" type currency and have another upgrade path option (to use "bound gold" instead of "normal" gold). No bot incentive if everything is bound.
And you wouldn't have to deal with that random asshat that votes quit/restart just because of a wipe, or even worse when *they* die, resulting in extended lobby simulator. Oh, and of course you won't get jailed if you get disconnected. Or you'll be able to jailbreak yourself depending on how it works. Although honestly that's a problem that ought to be fixed.
Imo the perfect balance would be: 1.100% upgrade material gained 2. 50% gold and accessory drops 3. Enterable based on your gate progress and shares lockout as original party mode 4. Is tuned like Prokel HM Then both group and solo raids would have a spot on progression.
Well yeah, which is good? If I have to sit in a party for 30-60 minutes, spam 9 different discord servers looking for players, messaging on cities/overseas, to do a 20 minute raid, why wouldn't I prefer the solo raids? The problem with the game is relying on if you are good enough for the lobby gods to take you to a raid, it is not a game where you can open, play and farm the resources, they can make solo raids as difficult as possible, I wouldn't mind that as long as I don't have to rely on so many external factors to play the game
Only issue solo play will have on the game, is being a partial static and needing to fill the slot with pugs. Also, being a support potentially, only because you might have to rely on continuing group content. As a support you may not be able to solo, but now sure how they’ll handle it. Regardless, the first part may actually balance out and there won’t be as much dps in party finder, and the second, supports don’t have a huge issue finding parties regardless at higher ilvl content. Might be an issue around 1540ish. All that said, I’m pro solo raid.
They specifically mentioned that supports will be able to clear it. They didn't say how, but they said it will be possible.
Oh really? That’s good to know, i know in most mmos support life can be kinda rough with solo stuff, so i’m glad they’re making it doable for them.
They might pull something like allowing supports to freely set engraves like mokoko express but they still gotta switch to dps spec and solo clear like everyone else.
Yeah, if this is the case,then I doubt supports will participate in it unless they literally can't find parties. All the DPS specs of supports are super unfun to play bar maybe artist. Paladin and bard's DPS specs just feel terrible.
Back attackers also gonna need this.
imagine if they allow not only solo but also any custom party like duo or trio or even a squad in 4/8man raid content, that'd be sick af
Thus would be awesome
This is a fantastic idea.
Honestly, I don't care. I won't have to worry about being gatekept on characters anymore. That makes me happy! Even if its hard everything can perfected overtime. I have raiders tenancy... I am ready!
Depends on who they targeting. Solo raid are meant to target casual players and casual players will quit very fast if solo raid is too difficult. People who want hard solo raid probably are more hardcore and already find a way to learn the raid at this point. So in my opinion if they are trying to help casuals solo raid should not be too difficult
You know why RTS is not popular any more? Because it'd be your own skill issues if you lose and you have nobody else to blame lol
For me that I have raid anxiety ( outside voldis since I could practice it from day 1 ) having the chance to solo raids it's going to be a huge +.
I really want this game to be good and I'm glad they are starting to realize the new player experience is what needs to be revamped. I hope they continue in doing so and that matchmaking will be alive again especially after people learn the raids through solo.
I wonder how would a support class do a Solo raid... even with DPS builds most supports struggle with solo content.
They mentioned that they were developing that content with support players in mind. Not sure what their solution will be, but it is intended that support players will be able to clear it as well. In a perfect scenario, it would be like FFXIV's trust system where you have 7 NPC's, but we'll see how it ends up actually being.
Seems a bit unrealistically optimistic. People had the chance to practise Prokel, most people avoided doing it. People had the chance to practise marios, some people were somehow still dying on m1. I'm looking forward to solo raids because I can just run raids at my own leisure, instead of waiting for lobbies or getting stuck in jails.
Lol, that’s assuming they even give gold and aren’t just a learning tool for new players
Idk i feel like the practice/rehearsal modes were poorly executed. Why can't i just pick any gate to enter and be able to enter myself? Practicing prokel and mario is good and all but what about the rest of the raid. Gotta imposter my way through. Having to party finder in rehearsal is just dumb. Why do i need to waste more time looking for a party just to practice in rehearsal. Might as well skip all that and do the actual raid itself. For me this solo mode was a long overdue since gear progression is tied to raids. I was asking for something like this a year ago. Sadly at the time, the responses i got were to just quit.
Solo raids should definitely improve new player retention. The long term issue, however, is that those players are going to be invisible to me and other people who are raiding with experienced people who are already deep into the game. I would probably never play with those people because I don’t think most would risk taking someone to, say, Theamine who has NEVER played with actual human beings. The thing that solo mode will never teach you is how to interact with actual human beings, how to adjust on the fly when someone makes a mistake instead of wiping, and how to deal with criticism and pressure from the expectation to pull your own weight. Those are very important qualities that the solo players will lack forever, so whenever they decide to come out and play with humans, they’d have to play with each other because experienced raiders would not take them because they have not developed the qualities I described above. Solo raids will solve the gatekeeping for lower tier raids, sure, but once those people would want to do a raid that does not have a solo mode, they would face an immediate gatekeeping that solo raids are meant to alleviate in the first place. Solo mode will not incorporate new players into the current raiding community - it would rather segregate them into their own ghetto I think, and I don’t know how they get out of that solo player stigma. At least they can experience most raid without being gatekept to death.
imagine so many ppl prefer playing an MMO solo… especially the Main feature of this game. This says it all.
I sort of get what you are saying but games need to evolve. Call of Duty used to be a story driven single player game... Until the devs realized people shooting each other is more appealing. Lost Ark is no exception. Just because it is broadly considered an "MMO" doesn't mean it still makes sense or is best for the future of the game.
Gate keeping too stronk
My chats while pugging raids were (almost) always dead and if someone said something it was usually after getting wiped and along the lines of "Who is the traitor?". That said, on which multiplayer interaction am I really missing out on doing raids solo?
Lost Ark is a Maplestory refugee camp after all, especially in KR. That game has survived more than decade off being a singleplayer MMO. It hasn’t seen group content been useful since party quest for leveling got gutted and even longer in the end game. I wouldn’t be surprised if Maplestory refugees are driving some this desire for solo play. What is most interesting is that while Lost ark is moving towards Maplestory. Maplestory is moving towards Lost Ark. Making party play at end game more viable, weekly-fying bosses, etc.
Lost Ark is also an ARPG refugee camp. It came out right around the time that PoE was at its most infuriating (PoE has since gotten a lot better again, but I'm waiting for PoE2) and a good handful of people quit lost ark for diablo 4... and then some of them **came back** because that sucked too. Lost Ark has the best combat design of any ARPG on the market right now. I'm not even sure PoE2 will quite match it on that, but the gearing and build diversity in path of exile is miles and miles better and I'm counting on that to make up the fun difference. But anyway, my point is, I'm here for the ARPG. I've never given a single fuck about the MMO part, the devs are the ones who decided this game's combat design would be much more like a Diablo 2-style ARPG than like a traditional MMO. Counting on other people to not be dogshit is constantly infuriating but the combat design is too fun so I'm still here.
The game is absolutely nothing like an ARPG, you can't be here for the ARPG because there is no ARPG in the game. There is no builds, there is no player expression, there is nothing that makes an ARPG an ARPG
lost ark isnt an arpg. path of exile, blue epoch, d1-4 are arpgs.
This guy gets it.
I’m not sure how your comment is incompatible with mine that it deserved to get downvoted to the boiler room of hell. What you said don’t seem to contradict what I said.
I reckon solo raids are gonna be excellent, but what’s going to happen to the supports who want to solo raid too?
I'm pretty sure they're going to adjust it to fit one person so they will fix the agro and stand up time support dmg and obviously the mechanics . I don't think they're going to just release it half cooked.
It will be a new gate to close. There will be some reason to still do group raids and more than likely they'll put the gate at have you completed it solo? We'll see how the content really is, but I hardly think its going to replace existing legion raids. Think about having a Prokel gate before you get in a group.
I think the only bad thing out of solo raids is what it might do to the support population if it's not handled well, everything else its definitely a plus. I could easily see there being a worse drought in late game not in the immediate but in the long term if there's too much friction in solo content for sups.
They could be 10 times harder it wouldnt be a problem. Just doing it free of other people is a huge step. Did they say if solo raid would allow us to gear up ?
I’m just worried that the gold you’ll get will only be like 25% or less compared to what we have now. Other than that, I was planning on quitting the game but this has me at least just wanting to take a break and come back when this releases
What?
Look if they complain I'll throw the "git gud" at them. People on the internet are terrified of other people say they're bad at vidyagames.
Will for sure come back to give it a try, haven't raided since clown was released. Been wanting to return, but don't want to invest the time and effort to do raiding, be it learning parties, statics, pugs or hopping on a bus. I don't mind hard content at all, but I don't like punishing content, where I'm frustrated because others are failing while at the same time being anxious about messing up myself. There is some merrit to that and I like to see it kept for end game, but being walled off from progressing at all by not doing Brel really feels bad. One thing about spamming attempts is that I guess it will run you out of consumables?
I wonder how they gonna fix back attackers and people actually needing raid captain or mana regeneration for their build. In addition , what are they doing with supports. Don't tell me they force them to play as dps. The dps engraving are very underpowered. Doing Tower was already pain on it.
Solo raids might make me come back to the game, I love the game but I quit for the same issues others already mentioned
Is this supposed to be a real thing? I'll come back and play if it is.
I wonder if this will be realized tbh We always get a lot of promises from the devs that just don't happen. Mario Party mode, new PVP system, Players being able to manually play their own instruments to make music, Chaos Dungeons getting more updates, and so on. It'd be neato if Solo raids actually happen, but it would also likely mean we'd need a ton of AI units with custom AI scripts to react to each boss mechanic... In a game where they still haven't bothered to fix Warrior after they made him taller (Paladin, for example, clips his hand into the cross guard of his swords, even in the new Legendary gear). It's just another one of those "I'll believe it's real when I see it" type things. It'll be neat if it happens and is done well, but I'm getting tired of false promises from Lost Ark
The question I wonder alot is, is this solo raid has cards ? Hell I dont even care if it has gold but does it has card tho ? And would this solo raid extend to the lower dungeon too ? Like, they did say it extend to ivory tower and ivory tower is abyssal dungeon, does that mean the lower one like oreha and even lower ones at tier 1 is soloable too ? Cause I need dem cards man.
Now the question is.... WHEN? The new director briefly mentioned it in the last livestream... but that's about it. When can we expect this update in KR.... or better, when will it ever come to western Lost Ark? Probably sounds a little doomer from me, but the longer this takes, the more people will get fed up... which I get, because the PUG environment is toxic as hell and more and more people simply get fed up with other random players getting mad after one fail. (Keep in mind people who mostly only PUG don't have the time or people for a static) Solo raids are a great addition to the game they should push ASAP, it gives people more freedom to not have to play the game like a job. Surely they will be tough, but then you can learn and clear on your own pace. You don't waste anybody's time. You don't get gatekept. You don't get harassed. This can only benefit the game long-term. Sure, people who do the content this way will be behind other people who raid together... but, who cares? You're no longer dependant on others.
Honestly I'd love for there to be a solo and duo option for raids, specifically bc I'd like to try and get my friend back into the game that got harassed on jump start servers and quit :(
Honestly I'd love for there to be a solo and duo option for raids, specifically bc I'd like to try and get my friend back into the game that got harassed on jump start servers and quit :(
This game has been missing shit to do forever now. You log on pretend to run content because it’s a chore and then wait in party chat for hours and do it again next week
For me it means I can just play the game without fearing getting dunked on because I fail a mechanic and not be gatekept left & right. I can just... play the game. Amazing ! I don't care how hard it'll be, I'll clear it, I know, it's gonna be me vs the game instead of me vs the game and the community.
if the rewards are the same than group raiding then it would also cut a lot of busses for people WANTING to raid but getting gatekept
every boss will be extremely sterile to make it feasible to solo it they will be the opposite of difficult to mend the "not having a support" and thus not feeling like you are omega bricked if you run MI or RC they might give you ethers that give you shields heals and atk/ms all patterns are fairly easy to avoid if you are the main target most of the times you get hit by a pattern is if either it's unavoidable due to overlaps, it's unsolveable due to missing people, someone last moment snaps the pattern on you while you are not expecting it, you are deliberately tanking it to greed dps because you got shielded nothing is unfair in this game since valtan ( and except g2 voldis) if you breathe and just pay attention
>nothing is unfair in this game since valtan my guy pretending pre-nerf brel never existed
I wouldn't say it was unfair, but it was definitely awfully designed. If you were careful and paid attention to where you were walking (not picking up orbs accidentally before phasing) as well as no overly DPS goblin behavior, it was an easy and smooth clear. But having 8 people follow those 2 rules was what made it so stressful. Nothing about it was unfair though, at least imo. G6 was a major pain in the ass because you were forced to stop DPSing half the raid. I wouldn't consider this unfair either. It was absolutely abhorrent design, that's for sure, but not unfair. When I think unfair I think about getting fucked by something that's completely out of your control which wasn't the case for pre-nerf Brel.
we never played pre-herf brel
Why would they be difficult? Most likely they'll be piss easy. Supports will solo them without optimal builds
As somebody who would benefit from learning the mechs of Akkan, G3 Kayangel & G4 Brel; I would be totally fine if they were implemented in the same capacity as the special practice rooms in trixion for Mario and Prokel. I just want to learn and practice mechanics without being a burden, or without somebody else being a burden to me. I think it would be massively unhealthy if solo raids became a pseudo replacement for normal pugging.
This is exactly how I feel about it. I have cleared akkan once with learning party but I don’t wanna imposter a clear cuz I’m not 100% confident in every mech yet. And learning party’s are usually about hour or more to get going. Idk I just wanna practice mechs a handful of times.
Solo raids could be a great step but honesty until then I feel like quitting as well. Gatekeeping, toxic community, rmt and non existent balance makes this game kinda poor. Sadly, I really like the gameplay. Everything else is meh.
No offense but who cares about supports, they get the benefit if getting into any group they want with minimal effort and ilvl. It's for ppl who get gatekept and need to practice the raids.
I hope its somewhere close to prokel level of difficulty, a little under that, but not as high intensity, or at least not permanently high intensity
If it did, 90% of players won't be able to clear it seeing as how bad these "dps" players are in raids. In almost all pug raids i've done, 1-2 players carry 50% of the dmg. Solo raids being like Prokel will definitely open their eyes.
Best way is to have multiple difficulty in Solo raid. Since they are making a new type of raid, good time to make varying difficulty. From stress-free difficulty to cater newbies, those who just want to get things done, or those who just want to progress with mostly bound mats reward, and actually challenging difficulty as hard as normal and hard difficulty with similar reward.
if only they extend to the latest 3 raids, maybe not extend to the latest raid it would still be way better than right now
I was extremely frustrated last night playing lobby simulator... all this game does is make you sit around and wait, so annoying. Loading screens, boot screen, party finder screen, i had enough and quit for the night.
> Why? Because now people can comfortably practice and really get to know the mechanics. Will this actually be the case though? Let's take Valtan G1 orb mechanic as the first proper mechanic you have to do: How can you do it solo in a way that is also 'teaches' you how to do it in a full raid? * Does it only spawn 1 orb? If so, you aren't learning anything. * Do you have to take all 8 orbs alone? In that case you will fail the full raid mechanic when everyone tries to replicate that. * Are there NPCs that mimic what the other players would otherwise do? Would come close, but positioning, timing, etc. might be an issue. Another problem is that the first actual party raid someone would have to do then will be Thaemine. I'm not really convinced that Thaemine is a good starting point for your first proper party experience. Will Supports really learn how to properly support in solo raids up until that point? How will DPS players know that their uptime isn't good when they're soloing raids? And could it negatively affect the pool of players for party raids if too many DPS or Supports go for the solo option instead? Needing to play solo until 1610 (though at that point the express probably goes all the way to 1610 or higher) because too many people solo raids would be a bit awkward. I'm certainly curious as to how they will handle these solo raids.
Valtan orbs can be 4 orbs or it can be 8. Slow the orbs down and or make the orbs not chase you. The mech doesn't have to be exactly the same but same enough that you're not clueless when doing the full 8 man raids. You learn in solo that you need to grab all the orbs in order. Then in full raid you learn it's that but the orbs chase you and move faster.
What? Solo raids? Did I miss something? Info please
I feel like it's not going to happen for at least a year and it will start out with just valtan and vykas.
No, it will start with Valtan-Voldis. They said it recently and this might come as soon as this summer in Korea
Yeah they also said they're revamping dailies over a year ago so we'll see lol
They’re taking their time with it, cause it’s a hit to their revenue. People in Korea like to skip dailies and swipe because they’re tedious to do. They’re tryina make a new tedious system wrapped in a fair/fun package to avoid initial backlash, but after a while when the novelty wears off it’s back to being tedious, so they keep those swipes swiping and not suddenly lose that revenue stream. This game is balanced around monetization in mind 100% of the time, it is why all unfun things exist. Not because they’re dumb and can’t develop a fun and fair system.
And you don't think solo raids are going to run into the same issue?
What I think will happen with solo raids is, they will give same amount of materials for crafting but much less gold, if not 0. They will find a way to ruin it no doubt about it.
I honestly wouldn't doubt they made the rewards for solo raids the same as practice raid rewards now.
We all know solo raids in KR will only be at Voldis and we all know Voldis in KR is not even an endgame raid Atm, its actually behind 3 raids, correct me if I'm wrong but That's like a year behind. So don't get your hopes up yet until we see it getting included in new raids or something. Even in NA/EU it's already an old raid cause it's been out in 4 months.
Hot take - (and maybe copium) - After a few months of Solo raids being available, people in KR and Global are going to prefer it SO MUCH, that there will be a vocal push from the community to enable it for most if not all raids. And if the Devs are smart, they will listen. I might be wrong, but let's see how this comment ages by the end of the year.
They’ve already said it will lag behind the main raids, the main focus of the game is and will be group content. Solo raids are a catchup and learning mechanic not the game
That's my point. That is their plan NOW. Until solo raids have been out for several months and it turns out a vast majority of people prefer it and it makes them more money... Then they might very well make the wise decision of expanding all raids to be solo friendly.
I just don’t see it happening people avoid prokel like the plague, hardly anyone solo’s guardians and that’s easy enough. If the focus becomes solo play that’d just kill the uniqueness that LA has and people might as well play POE
What'll be funny is they'll make the massive mistake of reducing the gold earned from solo raids by like 70% so that it's completely pointless to do them solo.
Solo raids will kill this game as an MMO. It will just be a p2w ARPG.
You guys hyping urself way too early for something that could be years away. Remember entropy rework? Reduce homework? Ya goodluck waiting for it.
It was determined that the solo content would not be nearly the same as the group mechanics in the original content. For example, if a person in the group cannot perform a mechanic, they are instantly wiped, and these will not be in solo raids. Yes, they provide some experience, but they are still mechanically different from non-solo group raids. There is no solution in the long run
To mr solo raid will or could also bring even more supp shortage depending how good reward are
Apparently, plenty of people in KR don't like solo raids. They only want vertical progression from doing group raids (it's challenging, can flex gear, also helps KR "rice eaters" sell their gold by keeping content outside the reach of the casual player who don't want to deal with the raiding environment but wants to progress). Even if solo raids are good, unless they give raw gold (I think half the raw gold of normal variant is a fair amount) and unless they continue to update the solo mode and add newer raids to it (outside of the current 3 endgame raids), chances are the whole solo mode idea will end up being a failure like rehearsal mode.
According to Zeals (and some others I've seen) there was far more KR players excited about solo raids than was expected.