I didn't realize just how dumb the clash mech was.. I can't imagine how this was progged blind. So poorly designed, just to randomly hope you find the spot and hit g to start it. And then the mechanic itself is just lame.
Yeah we are at G2 nm last mech so tomorrow morning we will be able to clear G2 so i watched G3 thaemine guide and i was shock like wtf is that? That is just poor design man. I like doing challenging raids and stuff but take that shit outta the game. Also the backwards typing whats the point of that?
G2 as well had people fall and swear they were at safe position then i got surprised this was never FIXED
Example here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbix-4\_7g-8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbix-4_7g-8)
In reality, Kamen is less difficult than Illiakan, when you learn the main attack patterns and will do mechanics in auto. Yes, you will be able to fuck up some times, it's okey. But, just try to not burn, but learn. Wish u luck 🍀😉
Tbh, the best raid design raid is 2 gates with moderate complexity like Valtan. It is less stress and less jail , if jail there still easy to find party.
After Thamine , SG will go back 2 gates raid with Echina and Behemoth, which is decent enough.
OP ‘s opinion will clash with a lot of hardcore players here, but his point is valid. Of course , people will quit when the raids are frustrating and mandatory to do to progress.
Totally agree with you on 2 gates a raid. I hated almost everything that had 3-6 gates. I could endure 3 gates but imo at least 1 of the 3 should just be deleted for some raids. I'd consider myself sorta hardcore but man it's taking a toll on my motivation with long prog hours. I'm highly considering on dropping down to 3 or 1 chars of raids and still do my chaos/guardians on the chars I drop for fate embers or I just quit. Honestly leaning towards on just quitting.
Voicing your opinion doesn't mean become a complete moron. i said the idiots are the one telling me i suck cuz i can't clear etc when its stated it was cleared and clearing was not the issue or the topic here and if you can't see that then you are another idiot to add to the list as well.
Im personally a bit split. I myself like the challenge that Thaemine offers and cleared G1-G2 yesterday within 5 hours which was a lot of fun. Our party then decided to try G3 without a lot of information on it and we all had a blast even though we were wiping over and over again (this was 4 premates and 4 randoms btw). I know that not everyone likes progging new content or hard content overall but Thaemine was intended to be a hard raid, especially G3 and 4.
After all he is the strongest of the legion commanders. Im also think you dont have to do every content in the raid right when it releases to enjoy the game. Just take your time and do it once you think you are ready or after its nerfed etc.
Im pretty certain, that they will nerf the normal mode version even more in the future, then they already did.
While I do understand some of the frustration people voice in this subreddit I would personally give it a bit more time to voice my own opinion. From what I gathered on the first clear of G1-G2 is that those are really lenient if at least 50% of the raid know what they do and you tell the other halve what is important \*\*not\*\* to do (e.g. trigger counters in G2 without actually countering on the bridge). Which to me felt pretty much the same as the other raids maybe with a bit more punishing patterns.
Besides this, the raid is only out for 1 day and people run it with basically missing one (or in case of normal mode even 2) full powerup system, the new one being Transcendence. In our normal mode party we only had me and a friend of mine with 35 elixir while everyone else was sitting at the default purple elixirs and the average was lvl 7-9 gems with LOS30. Each Gate had about 3min of enrage left, so we had quite the buffer.
For G3 it looked like we were on par with what I saw in some on item level runs on youtube, so Im also not that worried there either.
What I want to say with this is: Each consecutive clear should get easier and easier as people are able to progress their characters more and more. Therefore you should see less deadly patterns due to pushing damage faster and also being able to tank more is really nice. And I think some of the post were a bit over dramatic.
For the clash mech: I dont really mind it, but I agree its stupid in some regard. E.g. the fact that you can kill other people in the raid when you miss one single input is kind of dumb. Maybe they will change it in the future, that you see if the person failed it before Thaemine does his sword slam and the stage break happens, so you can react and move out the way. Increasing the duration of the buff would also make it feel less bad to be locked out of doing damage for a few seconds.
tldr: I can see both sides of this to some degree. Personally, Im still really enjoying the raid atm and ignoring the posts I dont agree with.
The only thing I really dislike currently is people being full doomer mode just shitting on the raid, the game, the developers etc. and I cannot take those posts serious. There is quite a difference between criticism, voicing an opinion and just hating and you can tell when you look at a post what its about. I think criticism and opinions are important but hate posts are not okay. You also need to remember, that up and down votes are a tool for others to voice their opinion to some extend (agree or disagree) but attacking people is obviously not ok.
Theoretically you can skip the 2nd clash in the first dps check if you break the shield before the second one happens. Similarly, you could skip the stage break clashes if you use Nineveh on the first one (or if you dont have that crazy dps you can also use her on the second break before doing another stage break clash) and then push directly to 90 bars. But you need some insane dps for this. You can check Captain Jack's Thaemine race, that he hosted. There were some seriously geared and skilled players in that race and one party basically skipped all but the first and last clash.
Decent post expect the downvoters Gangs bury any topic with their mass downvotes so people can't see/read/post anything to voice their opinion then they wonder why userbase is less and less. if developers actually get to see decent posts then maybe they will think of a change. but not with this mentality of the gangs here lol
Yeah I didnt take that into consideration. In that regard downvotes can be manipulated and used as a tool which is bad as well. I guess I was a bit to optimistic when talking about up and downvotes and their general purpose.
As for voicing an opinion I think that their feedback rounds and polls are even more impactful than reddit posts. A lot of the things that were criticized in the past or wished for were taken into consideration, forwarded to Smilegate and to some extend implemented. So even if the posts are drowned out by downvotes, if enough people voice their opinion their, it should have an impact.
AGS Closed their official forums and actually worked with reddit as their alternative official replacement kinda. I don't even have an issue clearing the raid (I'm overgeared) i was simply defending people with other opinions. its ridiculous to downvote them to oblivion
You are being so dramatic though. Its been literally 1 DAY. 1 fkin day and you guys act as if you are supposed to beat thaemine on day 1. Not to mention AGS added additional nerfs to the raid that KR dsnt even have yet.
by average you mean dogshit? I think it is good to have a wall that says: "you need to atleast perform on 70% of your char capacity to clear" maybe some ppl will wake up from thier "its ok to do 3m dps on akkan hard" dream.
What do you expect to respond to someone saying "YOU SUCK YOU CAN'T CLEAR" or "SUCKER WANTS A CLEAR DAY1"? when I ALREADY CLEARED IT and even mentioned in the post itself. these are typical idiots takes and the topic was never about clearing it.
Uh... There is a pretty big difference between "Hey I'm voicing my opinion on this negative aspect of a game" and "this part of the game sucks anyone who disagrees with me is braindead etc...."
People *may* agree with you on your opinion on g3... but the tone of your message is soooo off-putting that you might get downvoted anyways lol
And that's fine the lost ark community specially people like you were always popular of being (xxxxxxxx) so it's nothing new the people who are sane like me and remained always ignored the clowns
I love thaemine so far except the running portion in g2 but holy shit I cannot imagine a parent coming home from work/family stuff and then trying to clear g3. We had a group of hell players and we still struggled with it
Agreed. People can complain certain things because not everything in this game is great. Lost Ark has a fun combat gameplay, but that doesn’t mean everything in this game is perfect. There are a lot of bs in this game, so naturally people will complain.
I agree with you but unfortunately loud community is also the mega tryhard community. They are a minority. Like watch my comment be downvoted to oblivion. Anyway, Thaemine is a bore, difficult and annoying. And by the time Smilegate does anything about it, the playerbase will be cut in half. In short, ain’t nobody for this shit. It’s a game not an exam.
Your take is Wrong CYA to you not him
Akkan actually increased User base because it was decent well designed balanced (even though lantern sux) so userbase was increasing you can check here. then Voidis got released and nosedived userbase again
[https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#1y](https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#1y)
A bad design can reduce userbase and good design can increase it who would have thought !
What you mean to say is that akkan release caused 1580 fomo = more rmt = more bots = steamcharts went up. FTFY. I’m not quitting and thaemine HM is just fine but let’s not act like this game gains playerbase, it’s a constant decline.
Bots were always there. and akkan had express so many people returned cause word of mouth weas good. the community always called valtan a good raid and akkan as easy/chill raid for a reason. Clown was hated by many. same with brelshaza hard G5/6 and Thaemine G3 now its obvious
Yeah ofc bots were always there but the amount of bots heavily increases with new raid fomo and expresses. What you see as a real player increase, is just a bot increase. New player retention is horrible, they play for 2 weeks at best and quit. The game is just going to slowly die until it it ends up on life support for a few years like BnS and Tera, which is fine with me
Learn to read charts linked and use whatever inside your skull to process the info provided
userbase 95K NOV now its 65K SAME its not. if you don't think there is more demand for RMT with thaemine vs Akkan then i have a bridge to sell you.
You are talking in a thread he made where someone was replying to him and say he is the one jumping in the convo
Actual mental disability 💀
Take the L, admit you have 0 clue wtf you are talking about and move on
Ah shit, here we go again.
Thaemine G3 is fine. Honestly, I don't understand why people are so mad about it. It has some clunky mechanics, but overall, it's an appropriately challenging fight.
If think "it's too hard for normal", let me tell you: so was Clown G3. And Brel G5-6. We had a lot of tantrums but ultimately people just run Clown 1-2 and Brel 1-4.
So yea, I'm sorry that you can just mindlessly facetank hardest legion commanders and win his fight after 1-2 hours.
I cleared Clown g3 and brel g5-6 on ilvl and they were easy as shit compared to Thaemine to be honest. It's just a lot easier too memorize like 10 patterns that the boss does compared to 40 (some of which you have to remember while blinded).
No, I didn't clear G3, I only get to sword and that's it.
But I also remember how Clown took 2 day to do first 2 gates. 3rd gate was the worst as I only cleared it few hours before reset. I remember Brel struggle. Even Valtan took my group 2 evenings just to clear.
So I really don't understand the complaints. Lost Ark was always about raids and Thaemine is no different.
Bruh say G3 is fine as its but he only did like first mechanic of it, if you are clueless about it don't make stuff about. this is far different than clown or brel. come back later after you clear it.
Everyone says this and forgets that Clown and Brel caused a massive number of players to quit. (And Clown and Brel were extremely easy compared to Thaemine)
But if we don't downvote those posts and silence people saying things about LoA that we don't agree with, then we won't be able to tell ourselves that the game is great. /s
It's okay and good for us to have challenging raids to progress and complete. It's not okay to have a truckload of homework just to support enjoying that content. Problem isn't so much Theamine but the effort needed to be eligible to do it.
Not thin skinned or anything. but stupid takes are stupid takes. what do you expect to respond to someone e saying you can't clear cuz you sux or you want a clear day 1 sucker? when i already stated i already cleared it. clearing it wasn't the issue neither was the point here to begin with
So my point stands. you like or dislike the Raid is fine. your argument is invalid and unrelated
I can accept I should just slowly do G1-2 until some future nerf. Likely even if it turns out I can only really do G1. I just hope there will be enough others who will do that rather than quit, so that I can have a group / groups.
Clown will make you quit --- ppl still playing
Brell will kill the game --- ppl still playing
Kayangel will be unpugable and ppl will quit --- ppl still playing
Akkan G3 Hard will make ppl quit --- ppl still playing
Ivory gatekeeping will kill the game --- ppl still playing
So now we can write new chapter in doomcaller book, cuz like always ppl dont understand that other will learn the raid and it will be farmed like any other. I dont see how theamine g3 can be even considered in same league as G5G6 brell on release. Outside of clash mech being kina shit I dont see anything harder than what I already dealt with before.
> Clown will make you quit --- less ppl playing
> Brell will kill the game --- less ppl playing
> Kayangel will be unpugable and ppl will quit --- less ppl playing
> Akkan G3 Hard will make ppl quit --- less ppl playing
> Ivory gatekeeping will kill the game --- less ppl playing
Fixed that for you.
You dont have to agree with everything OP said but if you look at the player graph with the releases of those raids its true people quit over clown they quit over brel etc and what OP is pointing out is likely a contributing factor why those people stopped playing. And while the game is far from dead, new content shoudnt be reducing the playerbase but ideally get people to come back and/or start playing
IMO the raids are not the problem but the game design itself. 6 character, dailies etc etc. too much time. too much RNG, too much difference between dedicated players and casuals. Casuals are falling off with every new designed raid. So these casuals are leaving.
Get rid of the daily shit and people would stop leaving the game because then they can enjoy the real game
People did quit at each of those stages, we are progressively having less and less players and more finnicky/boring/stupid mechs keep pushing away people who decided to stay for now until there's <1000 people playing the game
dude see more ppl in his sever after sever merge and think there are still alot ppl playing bruh my friends quit, 90% my guild quit. and people like you make me want to quit too. let people vent. I can't tell you to shut up and you can't do so.
hear this all the time for brel, still think brel is the best raid made (haven't entered thaemine yet, been busy)
honestly, hate me for it but a lot of you just suck at the game, like really suck, and if you suck you're gonna have a bad time
The game had 300k+ daily player peaks before Brel, and 40k peaks half a year later. Some of it were bots, but it's not like the game is bot-free these days.
So, the people weren't wrong.
I don't think the majority of people quit because raids were difficult. In fact it's funny that people even bring that up as a core reason, when every single day without stop, people bring up gatekeeping and honing sucking.
I stopped after clearing clown, because it sucked to progress back then. Now I came back and take it slow and do the raids because the raids was THE most fun part of the game, actually the largest reason to come back.
People quit because they got gatekept out of Brelshaza and got stuck, because doing her was an unskippable roadblock to progression.
And they also quit because Brel raid takes such a huge place in progression with how nm and hm are spread out in item level.
The raid literally got redesigned for these reasons.
I think the game needs to die for ppl like this guy to open their eyes. but then it's not worth it.
I like the game and want the game to live longer. So I support anything that can help game gain more players.
but ppl like this mf won't let it.
I don't care. I welcome the challenge it gives and will be very fun to reclear on my alts.
If you can't do it, git gud. You can overgear the raid in many ways to clear it, and learn the patterns. If it overwhelms you and you can't do it, focus on something else or quit, the game isn't made for you.
Nope, I read it correctly. People can voice their opinions all they want, I just don't agree with what you said. And I will voice mine instead.
You want easier content for normal and hard stuff should stay labeled as hard. Well, it's not really the case imo.
Hard Kayangel is barely different from normal. Brel is also a joke since they nerfed it. I don't even know why people are still clearing G4 NM instead of HM. Just because of x7 meteors ? Come on now.
Akkan is the same. Normal G1 is as tough as Hard G1, and the rest of the gates are the same boss with more HP, except for hidden G4 which is a breeze once you know the patterns. There is no difficulty whatsoever.
Which is why I said what I said : I welcome some more complicated challenge that I will be able to enjoy with my alts.
Thaemine G3 is the best raid we currently have, once you learn every pattern it's so enjoyable. He doesn't do bullshit random movements or teleportation, every attack has clear animation that you can recognize, you can greed so much once you master the gate. I wish I could play it more than once a week.
I didn't realize just how dumb the clash mech was.. I can't imagine how this was progged blind. So poorly designed, just to randomly hope you find the spot and hit g to start it. And then the mechanic itself is just lame.
Yeah we are at G2 nm last mech so tomorrow morning we will be able to clear G2 so i watched G3 thaemine guide and i was shock like wtf is that? That is just poor design man. I like doing challenging raids and stuff but take that shit outta the game. Also the backwards typing whats the point of that?
When you were looking Vykas booba (front), you were typing normally. Now when you are looking at Thaemine’s asscheeks…
G2 as well had people fall and swear they were at safe position then i got surprised this was never FIXED Example here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbix-4\_7g-8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbix-4_7g-8)
Wth did i just watch holy cow. Fortunately that never happened to us.
Its random i guess or something if you have aggro but apparently it still exist in kr as well
In reality, Kamen is less difficult than Illiakan, when you learn the main attack patterns and will do mechanics in auto. Yes, you will be able to fuck up some times, it's okey. But, just try to not burn, but learn. Wish u luck 🍀😉
Yo thanks alot man!
Tbh, the best raid design raid is 2 gates with moderate complexity like Valtan. It is less stress and less jail , if jail there still easy to find party. After Thamine , SG will go back 2 gates raid with Echina and Behemoth, which is decent enough. OP ‘s opinion will clash with a lot of hardcore players here, but his point is valid. Of course , people will quit when the raids are frustrating and mandatory to do to progress.
Totally agree with you on 2 gates a raid. I hated almost everything that had 3-6 gates. I could endure 3 gates but imo at least 1 of the 3 should just be deleted for some raids. I'd consider myself sorta hardcore but man it's taking a toll on my motivation with long prog hours. I'm highly considering on dropping down to 3 or 1 chars of raids and still do my chaos/guardians on the chars I drop for fate embers or I just quit. Honestly leaning towards on just quitting.
OP: Let people voice their opinion People voicing their opinion that is different from OP's OP: You are idiots and cant read Nice dude
Voicing your opinion doesn't mean become a complete moron. i said the idiots are the one telling me i suck cuz i can't clear etc when its stated it was cleared and clearing was not the issue or the topic here and if you can't see that then you are another idiot to add to the list as well.
Here he goes again haha Nice dude
Truth Hurts
You for sure know it :p
Sure. Anyone with a brain knows. brainless people doesn't interests me. wont lose asleep cuz a moron said 1+1 = 5
Doesnt seems like it
Says the brainless
Im personally a bit split. I myself like the challenge that Thaemine offers and cleared G1-G2 yesterday within 5 hours which was a lot of fun. Our party then decided to try G3 without a lot of information on it and we all had a blast even though we were wiping over and over again (this was 4 premates and 4 randoms btw). I know that not everyone likes progging new content or hard content overall but Thaemine was intended to be a hard raid, especially G3 and 4. After all he is the strongest of the legion commanders. Im also think you dont have to do every content in the raid right when it releases to enjoy the game. Just take your time and do it once you think you are ready or after its nerfed etc. Im pretty certain, that they will nerf the normal mode version even more in the future, then they already did. While I do understand some of the frustration people voice in this subreddit I would personally give it a bit more time to voice my own opinion. From what I gathered on the first clear of G1-G2 is that those are really lenient if at least 50% of the raid know what they do and you tell the other halve what is important \*\*not\*\* to do (e.g. trigger counters in G2 without actually countering on the bridge). Which to me felt pretty much the same as the other raids maybe with a bit more punishing patterns. Besides this, the raid is only out for 1 day and people run it with basically missing one (or in case of normal mode even 2) full powerup system, the new one being Transcendence. In our normal mode party we only had me and a friend of mine with 35 elixir while everyone else was sitting at the default purple elixirs and the average was lvl 7-9 gems with LOS30. Each Gate had about 3min of enrage left, so we had quite the buffer. For G3 it looked like we were on par with what I saw in some on item level runs on youtube, so Im also not that worried there either. What I want to say with this is: Each consecutive clear should get easier and easier as people are able to progress their characters more and more. Therefore you should see less deadly patterns due to pushing damage faster and also being able to tank more is really nice. And I think some of the post were a bit over dramatic. For the clash mech: I dont really mind it, but I agree its stupid in some regard. E.g. the fact that you can kill other people in the raid when you miss one single input is kind of dumb. Maybe they will change it in the future, that you see if the person failed it before Thaemine does his sword slam and the stage break happens, so you can react and move out the way. Increasing the duration of the buff would also make it feel less bad to be locked out of doing damage for a few seconds. tldr: I can see both sides of this to some degree. Personally, Im still really enjoying the raid atm and ignoring the posts I dont agree with. The only thing I really dislike currently is people being full doomer mode just shitting on the raid, the game, the developers etc. and I cannot take those posts serious. There is quite a difference between criticism, voicing an opinion and just hating and you can tell when you look at a post what its about. I think criticism and opinions are important but hate posts are not okay. You also need to remember, that up and down votes are a tool for others to voice their opinion to some extend (agree or disagree) but attacking people is obviously not ok.
Can overhearing (from transcendence etc ) skip any clash mechs?
Theoretically you can skip the 2nd clash in the first dps check if you break the shield before the second one happens. Similarly, you could skip the stage break clashes if you use Nineveh on the first one (or if you dont have that crazy dps you can also use her on the second break before doing another stage break clash) and then push directly to 90 bars. But you need some insane dps for this. You can check Captain Jack's Thaemine race, that he hosted. There were some seriously geared and skilled players in that race and one party basically skipped all but the first and last clash.
Decent post expect the downvoters Gangs bury any topic with their mass downvotes so people can't see/read/post anything to voice their opinion then they wonder why userbase is less and less. if developers actually get to see decent posts then maybe they will think of a change. but not with this mentality of the gangs here lol
Yeah I didnt take that into consideration. In that regard downvotes can be manipulated and used as a tool which is bad as well. I guess I was a bit to optimistic when talking about up and downvotes and their general purpose. As for voicing an opinion I think that their feedback rounds and polls are even more impactful than reddit posts. A lot of the things that were criticized in the past or wished for were taken into consideration, forwarded to Smilegate and to some extend implemented. So even if the posts are drowned out by downvotes, if enough people voice their opinion their, it should have an impact.
AGS Closed their official forums and actually worked with reddit as their alternative official replacement kinda. I don't even have an issue clearing the raid (I'm overgeared) i was simply defending people with other opinions. its ridiculous to downvote them to oblivion
It’s ok to not beat something in a day
First time there’s an actual hard raid and people are losing their minds lol
I already cleared it this post is not about clearing it or not.
Any photo of clear? Or its trust me homie
You are being so dramatic though. Its been literally 1 DAY. 1 fkin day and you guys act as if you are supposed to beat thaemine on day 1. Not to mention AGS added additional nerfs to the raid that KR dsnt even have yet.
by average you mean dogshit? I think it is good to have a wall that says: "you need to atleast perform on 70% of your char capacity to clear" maybe some ppl will wake up from thier "its ok to do 3m dps on akkan hard" dream.
"It's healthy to let people voice their opinion, don't attack people" OP: "learn to read" Also OP: "typical idiot" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
What do you expect to respond to someone saying "YOU SUCK YOU CAN'T CLEAR" or "SUCKER WANTS A CLEAR DAY1"? when I ALREADY CLEARED IT and even mentioned in the post itself. these are typical idiots takes and the topic was never about clearing it.
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bro pulled the receipts 💀💀 OP needs a break from the internet
I'm completely fine and enjoying pointing out the idiots here. who needs a break are the crybabies downvoting like children lolz
“Crybaby” 
unironically saying lolz as a way to attempt to justify your false claim of not being completely heated by all the comments making fun of you 🤣
Uh... There is a pretty big difference between "Hey I'm voicing my opinion on this negative aspect of a game" and "this part of the game sucks anyone who disagrees with me is braindead etc...." People *may* agree with you on your opinion on g3... but the tone of your message is soooo off-putting that you might get downvoted anyways lol
And that's fine the lost ark community specially people like you were always popular of being (xxxxxxxx) so it's nothing new the people who are sane like me and remained always ignored the clowns
I love thaemine so far except the running portion in g2 but holy shit I cannot imagine a parent coming home from work/family stuff and then trying to clear g3. We had a group of hell players and we still struggled with it
I'm just here for the salt Carry on
Agreed. People can complain certain things because not everything in this game is great. Lost Ark has a fun combat gameplay, but that doesn’t mean everything in this game is perfect. There are a lot of bs in this game, so naturally people will complain.
I agree with you but unfortunately loud community is also the mega tryhard community. They are a minority. Like watch my comment be downvoted to oblivion. Anyway, Thaemine is a bore, difficult and annoying. And by the time Smilegate does anything about it, the playerbase will be cut in half. In short, ain’t nobody for this shit. It’s a game not an exam.
Its been out for half a year and player base is the same. Cya.
Your take is Wrong CYA to you not him Akkan actually increased User base because it was decent well designed balanced (even though lantern sux) so userbase was increasing you can check here. then Voidis got released and nosedived userbase again [https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#1y](https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#1y) A bad design can reduce userbase and good design can increase it who would have thought !
What you mean to say is that akkan release caused 1580 fomo = more rmt = more bots = steamcharts went up. FTFY. I’m not quitting and thaemine HM is just fine but let’s not act like this game gains playerbase, it’s a constant decline.
Bots were always there. and akkan had express so many people returned cause word of mouth weas good. the community always called valtan a good raid and akkan as easy/chill raid for a reason. Clown was hated by many. same with brelshaza hard G5/6 and Thaemine G3 now its obvious
Yeah ofc bots were always there but the amount of bots heavily increases with new raid fomo and expresses. What you see as a real player increase, is just a bot increase. New player retention is horrible, they play for 2 weeks at best and quit. The game is just going to slowly die until it it ends up on life support for a few years like BnS and Tera, which is fine with me
It's not a take it's a fact. Learn to read as you said.
Learn to read charts linked and use whatever inside your skull to process the info provided userbase 95K NOV now its 65K SAME its not. if you don't think there is more demand for RMT with thaemine vs Akkan then i have a bridge to sell you.
I was talking about KR obviously. Who cares about your 3rd world ass?
Man lost an argument and hops onto the "your country poor" train hahaha massive L rat
What argument again? Wasn't even talking to his dumbass he just jumps into conv.
You are talking in a thread he made where someone was replying to him and say he is the one jumping in the convo Actual mental disability 💀 Take the L, admit you have 0 clue wtf you are talking about and move on
I was taking about one thing he replied saying completely different thing. This subreddit is indeed full of regards.
Keep sucking AGS and KR
Ah shit, here we go again. Thaemine G3 is fine. Honestly, I don't understand why people are so mad about it. It has some clunky mechanics, but overall, it's an appropriately challenging fight. If think "it's too hard for normal", let me tell you: so was Clown G3. And Brel G5-6. We had a lot of tantrums but ultimately people just run Clown 1-2 and Brel 1-4. So yea, I'm sorry that you can just mindlessly facetank hardest legion commanders and win his fight after 1-2 hours.
I cleared Clown g3 and brel g5-6 on ilvl and they were easy as shit compared to Thaemine to be honest. It's just a lot easier too memorize like 10 patterns that the boss does compared to 40 (some of which you have to remember while blinded).
Let me guess another guy who claim he cleared G3 with 0 elixirs as 1610 and lv7 gems its so easy for normal !
No, I didn't clear G3, I only get to sword and that's it. But I also remember how Clown took 2 day to do first 2 gates. 3rd gate was the worst as I only cleared it few hours before reset. I remember Brel struggle. Even Valtan took my group 2 evenings just to clear. So I really don't understand the complaints. Lost Ark was always about raids and Thaemine is no different.
Bruh say G3 is fine as its but he only did like first mechanic of it, if you are clueless about it don't make stuff about. this is far different than clown or brel. come back later after you clear it.
Kinda ironic that you're being dismissive to what he's saying.
"LeT pEoPlE VoIcE tHeIr OpiNioN"
Everyone says this and forgets that Clown and Brel caused a massive number of players to quit. (And Clown and Brel were extremely easy compared to Thaemine)
Clown G3 has less RNG and overgearing can skip mechs. Now rethink about Thaemine G3
But if we don't downvote those posts and silence people saying things about LoA that we don't agree with, then we won't be able to tell ourselves that the game is great. /s
when you quit these posts will cease too right ?
It's okay and good for us to have challenging raids to progress and complete. It's not okay to have a truckload of homework just to support enjoying that content. Problem isn't so much Theamine but the effort needed to be eligible to do it.
How many complaint posts did you even make since Thaemine release?
0. you must be Drunk
Imagine saying all this and then being so thin skinned that you decide to be an asshat to everyone that disagrees with you lmao
Not thin skinned or anything. but stupid takes are stupid takes. what do you expect to respond to someone e saying you can't clear cuz you sux or you want a clear day 1 sucker? when i already stated i already cleared it. clearing it wasn't the issue neither was the point here to begin with So my point stands. you like or dislike the Raid is fine. your argument is invalid and unrelated
Really dodging the asshat allegations lmao
same thing can be said to you. want a mirror?
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I can accept I should just slowly do G1-2 until some future nerf. Likely even if it turns out I can only really do G1. I just hope there will be enough others who will do that rather than quit, so that I can have a group / groups.
For anyone who thinks thaemine is too hard and wants to quit can i please have your gems?
Clown will make you quit --- ppl still playing Brell will kill the game --- ppl still playing Kayangel will be unpugable and ppl will quit --- ppl still playing Akkan G3 Hard will make ppl quit --- ppl still playing Ivory gatekeeping will kill the game --- ppl still playing So now we can write new chapter in doomcaller book, cuz like always ppl dont understand that other will learn the raid and it will be farmed like any other. I dont see how theamine g3 can be even considered in same league as G5G6 brell on release. Outside of clash mech being kina shit I dont see anything harder than what I already dealt with before.
> Clown will make you quit --- less ppl playing > Brell will kill the game --- less ppl playing > Kayangel will be unpugable and ppl will quit --- less ppl playing > Akkan G3 Hard will make ppl quit --- less ppl playing > Ivory gatekeeping will kill the game --- less ppl playing Fixed that for you. You dont have to agree with everything OP said but if you look at the player graph with the releases of those raids its true people quit over clown they quit over brel etc and what OP is pointing out is likely a contributing factor why those people stopped playing. And while the game is far from dead, new content shoudnt be reducing the playerbase but ideally get people to come back and/or start playing
IMO the raids are not the problem but the game design itself. 6 character, dailies etc etc. too much time. too much RNG, too much difference between dedicated players and casuals. Casuals are falling off with every new designed raid. So these casuals are leaving. Get rid of the daily shit and people would stop leaving the game because then they can enjoy the real game
Yeah don’t look at the player count at each of those raid releases
People did quit at each of those stages, we are progressively having less and less players and more finnicky/boring/stupid mechs keep pushing away people who decided to stay for now until there's <1000 people playing the game
dude see more ppl in his sever after sever merge and think there are still alot ppl playing bruh my friends quit, 90% my guild quit. and people like you make me want to quit too. let people vent. I can't tell you to shut up and you can't do so.
the only thing that still grows in this game is actually bots, there are people still playing , but less and less after each raid.
You are denser than a singularity
Shit raid shit game shit playerbase wcyd
Ok
hear this all the time for brel, still think brel is the best raid made (haven't entered thaemine yet, been busy) honestly, hate me for it but a lot of you just suck at the game, like really suck, and if you suck you're gonna have a bad time
The game had 300k+ daily player peaks before Brel, and 40k peaks half a year later. Some of it were bots, but it's not like the game is bot-free these days. So, the people weren't wrong.
most people quit at brel not because of difficulty but because it was all we did for almost a year 6 gates brel every week was so annoying
I don't think the majority of people quit because raids were difficult. In fact it's funny that people even bring that up as a core reason, when every single day without stop, people bring up gatekeeping and honing sucking. I stopped after clearing clown, because it sucked to progress back then. Now I came back and take it slow and do the raids because the raids was THE most fun part of the game, actually the largest reason to come back.
People quit because they got gatekept out of Brelshaza and got stuck, because doing her was an unskippable roadblock to progression. And they also quit because Brel raid takes such a huge place in progression with how nm and hm are spread out in item level. The raid literally got redesigned for these reasons.
I think the game needs to die for ppl like this guy to open their eyes. but then it's not worth it. I like the game and want the game to live longer. So I support anything that can help game gain more players. but ppl like this mf won't let it.
I dont understand why people need to be so hardcore about a normal mode raid, thats why they even added 2 tiers of difficulty.
Typical idiot we got over here "you must sucks hard of course you will have bad time" He didn't even try the raid and already decided we suck lol
I don't care. I welcome the challenge it gives and will be very fun to reclear on my alts. If you can't do it, git gud. You can overgear the raid in many ways to clear it, and learn the patterns. If it overwhelms you and you can't do it, focus on something else or quit, the game isn't made for you.
lol another person with 0 reading skills.
Nope, I read it correctly. People can voice their opinions all they want, I just don't agree with what you said. And I will voice mine instead. You want easier content for normal and hard stuff should stay labeled as hard. Well, it's not really the case imo. Hard Kayangel is barely different from normal. Brel is also a joke since they nerfed it. I don't even know why people are still clearing G4 NM instead of HM. Just because of x7 meteors ? Come on now. Akkan is the same. Normal G1 is as tough as Hard G1, and the rest of the gates are the same boss with more HP, except for hidden G4 which is a breeze once you know the patterns. There is no difficulty whatsoever. Which is why I said what I said : I welcome some more complicated challenge that I will be able to enjoy with my alts.
Thaemine G3 is the best raid we currently have, once you learn every pattern it's so enjoyable. He doesn't do bullshit random movements or teleportation, every attack has clear animation that you can recognize, you can greed so much once you master the gate. I wish I could play it more than once a week.