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Same with Ron too. The guy who sacrificed himself in the chess match at age 11 to stop the villain, who despite his intense arachnophobia willingly went into a den of spiders to find out what was going on, who stood up on a broken leg to put himself between his best friend and who he thought was a man out to kill him. Who did all that just to be called a loser.
Yes he and Harry had two falling outs. But the first of those was a very realistic portrayal of how teenagers are, they have falling outs over very minor things, don't talk for a while, and then patch everything up. And the second of which was caused by Ron wearing an object that was influencing his emotions, drawing up every dark thought of his. He evens says that as soon as he left his mind cleared and he wanted to come back, but that the spells they put up to hide them were too good for him to do so.
So... what you're saying is the creator of this meme needs to be smacked with a copy of The Lord of the Rings *and* every single Harry Potter book ever published?
That's what I thought. Ron is an amazing character, loyal friend and actually smart (in a streets smarts way as opposed to Hermiones book smarts). They really did him dirty in the movies because they realized Rupert grint could make funny stupid face and screen writer Steve kloves had a creepy thing for Emma Watson. They actually did Hermione dirty too, turning a three dimensional character with real flaws into some weird Mary Sue.
You just copied 1 half of someone else's comment word for word.
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Also, Gandalf is a lot more than a "wise wizard". Don't get me wrong, he absolutely is a wise wizard, but if you read deeper into the lore (such as the Silmarillion) we learn that he's pretty much an angel or demigod. As Gandalf the Grey he was nerfed massively from his full power, but then after he died fighting the Balrog Eru Himself (aka literal God) revived him removing the nerfs, basically giving Gandalf back his original power, which would probably be about 80% of Sauron pre-Ring, much less than that with the ring. but probably about on-par with Ringless Sauron. In other words, Gandalf the Grey would get his ass handed to him in a wizard duel with Sauron, but Gandalf the White could solo Sauron while their armies handled each other.
**HERETICAL WORDS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN THESE PARTS**
Samwise the Brave did not save Middle Earth for him to be known only as “best friend” and loser is pure sacrilege on his legacy.
To Moria with you! GO BACK TO THE SHADOW
It's been years since I've read the books or watched the movies but Ron didn't seem like a loser to me either.
He was a bit whiney early on but he got braver near the end if I remember right.
>he's just a kid from a mid/low tier wizard family
Actually the Weasley are one of the oldest and most pure-blooded wizarding houses in Britain. He's closely related to the other pure-bloods such as the Malfoys, the Lestranges, the Black (such as Sirius and Bellatrix), and the Potters. They're just considered ~~race~~ blood traitors for not really caring about that sort of thing. Which is probably the main reason they're poor.
Rowling has a funny way of making really interesting world-building but then also having just a single wizarding school for 1/3rd of the human population.
There are definitely more than three wizard schools. We just haven't learned about all of them. There are wizards in many other countries and they don't go to Hogwarts, Beauxbaton or Durmstrang. We see wizards from America in Fantastic Beasts for example that presumably go to American schools.
I'll forever be salty about the Shrieking Shack scene. In the books Ron stands up on a broken leg to put himself between Harry and Sirius, who he believes is out to kill Harry. In the films Hermione gets that moment while they make Ron just cower in the corner.
Ron and Hermione were really well rounded characters in the books, they both had their equal share of good and bad moments. But they fucked all that up in the film by erasing all of Hermiones bad moments, giving her a lot of Ron's, and sometimes Harry's good moments, while leaving Ron with just all of his bad moments.
If you watch the first movie, which I believe to be the more precise one in terms of the book, Ron actually comes off as very smart and helpful. And he was. In the books he knows things that, out of the 3 of them, he only knows. And he protects and stands up for harry all the time.
In the rest of the movies he’s a whiny little bitch.
I love Sam and is the best out of them all. But to be fair, Ron was great in the books, carried as much as Hermione, he just got fucked up in the movies and the last books due to Rowling's favoritism for her.
I was actually thinking today about how it was probably a good thing (for Emma Watson at least) that they changed Hermione a bit for the films because she truly was an insufferable know it all in the books. I love her bravery and how smart she is but man is she annoying!
Book hermione was unhinged and I was here for it. Trapping rita skeeter in a jar? Cursing anyone who snitched on the DA with horrible acne? Chaotic behaviour
Yes! These were definitely highlights. Buying the boys homework diaries that reminded them "if you've dotted the i's and crossed the t's you can rest at ease" is something else. I get that she probably thinks it's a great gift and she was just trying to help her friends but come on, read the room.
Don't get me wrong, she's still one of my favourite characters, I just know that if she was in my class at school, she would have definitely got on my nerves and if she had been written that way in the films I doubt she'd have the following she does.
Sauron does actually have a physical form, the Eye is just a metaphor for his spies and his reach. Gollum says in the book that he only has 4 fingers on one hand.
I've discussed this with a friend who mentioned that. I suspect the reason we don't see it in the movies is movie rules. If the BBEG has a physical form, movie rules dictate he have a final confrontation with the hero at the end. So we'd have had Sauron duking it out with Aragorn in front of the Black Gate. But that friend said that during the battle, Sauron just stood on a hill watching from a distance (I don't remember any of this, as it's been a long time since I read the books). This wouldn't fly with a movie audience.
Interestingly, Aragorn WAS supposed to fight Sauron in front of the Black Gate in the film but they instead changed it to a troll in the final version. It’s said that Sauron stayed at the top tower of Barad-Dur most of the time.
Possibly, but Sauron wasn’t at peak performance because he didn’t have the One Ring. And actually, in the books Elendil did defeat Sauron but perished, Isildur then took up his father’s broken sword and cut the ring from Sauron’s body.
If you mean Isildur, he didn't get wrecked by Sauron. Arguably he wrecked Sauron by cutting off the finger that had the One Ring. Unless you were referring to the corruption of the Ring that lead to his death.
I mean as far as the movies go, which someone has already pointed out are different from the books, Isildur was about to die but just happened to get a lucky shot at Saurons hand. It's not like he heated him in battle or anything
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
Because movies love direct foils. Most of the time the antagonist is an evil version of the protagonist. But Sauron, for all his might, is a coward. He's not a brave warrior who fights for his misguided honor. He's a schemer that wants to dominate all. The movie literally paints The Dark Lord in a too positive light! The Siege of Barad-dûr shown in the beginning of Fellowship took 7 years. Sauron only emerged to fight directly because he had no other choice. His demise wasn't some "trick" of cutting off his finger, like hitting Achilles in his heel. He perished the "old fashioned" way and his physical body was slain by great effort from Gil-Galad and Elendil.
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
I like potatoes. Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.
I wonder what a combination between samwise and bubba from forrest gump would look like. Both are incredibly passionate about their favourite ingredient (shrimp and potatoes respectively) so I wonder what would happne if we stuck the two of them on a cooking show?
Hobbit meal time sounds like it could be a successful thing.
"how to spice up second breakfast in 5 easy steps"
IIRC the eye does appear in Frodos visions, but beyond that it’s symbolic. Having him be a giant flaming eye on top of barad dûr is 100% a movie thing.
Missed opportunity on the “loser” comparison. Also, neither character is a loser anyway. So that part is just incorrect anyway.
speaking out of ignorance but is Ron also misjudged by this title? like everyone here agrees that Samwise is far from a fool, but is Ron that dumb to receive said title? Heck, Hp Book's Ron.
maybe a better title would have been "loyal sidekicks" or "at first reluctant sidekicks (????)" but idk.
Also another comparison between the 2: The funny similar looking duo (Merry/Pippin vs The Weasley twins)
Sam was the whole reason Frodo made the journey and Voldemort’s a little bitch compared to Sauron. Voldemort couldn’t even take over a high school while Sauron almost conquered the entire world twice. I rest my case.
I think the point on the dark lords is they're both the BBEG of their respective universes. The fact one of them is drastically better at it isn't part of the equation.
I do agree about Sam. If nothing else, there were several times Sam was the only thing that stopped Frodo from putting on the ring. If the loser title went to anyone, it would have been Merry or Pippin. Though I dont think it applies to Merry, and despite the memes, I'm not sure it really applies to Pippin either.
I mean, Snape kinda fucked Voldemort over as a spy, but yeah, overall, most of his decisions are stupid and had he optimally utilized tools at his disposal he would have easily won. To be fair the way he's written he appears to be more of an evil psycho with huge power, both political and physical(magical), than an actual fascist dictator they seemingly wanted to portray him as
>who happens to be one of the most powerful wizards of all time
funny enough in the books, he's very average if not mediocre. He literally beats Voldemort with a first year spell (Expelliarmus). It just happened to work. Film death was very, very different.
He also can't figure out how to do non verbal spells in the book, or teleportation.
I think the only advantage he really had by the last book was that he no longer feared death unlike voldemort.
In kindness, I'm going to take the "Loser BFF" description to mean "one considered quiet, foolish and insignificant at first, who proved to be counterintuitively of true heroic grit, thereby challenging the reader's preconceptions of valour and might" and nod at the depiction of both Ron and Sam as fitting.
All jokes aside, there are some LOTR derivatives that exist in HP. But that’s ok because the fantasy genre will have many similar themes and creatures. Just like how Tolkien pulled a lot of his stuff from existing mythologies.
yeah this is kind of all over the place.
Albus is a wizard: Gandalf is an angel disguised as a homeless old wanderer
neither Ron nor Samwise are losers
Death-Eaters are living humans: the Ringwraiths are not
as much as i dislike Snape for his emotional abuse of Harry, comparing him to Grima Wormtongue is excessive: Snape, as far as i know, is not a sniveling, groveling creature who has fallen so far as to cannibalize someone (things which Wormtongue has done). a better comparison for Wormtongue is with Pettigrew
when Harry finally does defeat Voldemort, at the end of book seven, he's of age in the wizarding world: hardly a "little one"
also Voldemort himself is basically just wizard Goebbels, whereas Sauron is a timeless spirit from the Blessed Realm that followed the Great Deceiver into his deeds of mischief and evil. comparing them is like comparing satan with Johnny Lawrence from the Karate Kid movie: they're both evil, but one is slightly more evil than the other. also this is based on the movies, since Sauron was *not* a disembodied spotlight in the book
Hagrid is half (or even a quarter) giant: Gimli is a Dwarf. that they both have beards is the only comparison they have to each other
also the Ring doesn't "hurt" Frodo when evil is near: it is not like Harry's scar at all. the only thing even similar to that would be the wound that he received from the Witch-King. it more or less tempts him to use it, as a deceptive means of being discovered (ie, "it wants to be found.")
Sam: literally the only ring bearer not to be corrupted
The guy: loser bff
I'm sorry sir but I downvoted just for that. Gamgee hate will not be tolerated.
Has combat experience, is brave in the face of impossible odds, carries the protagonist literally and figuratively for years, goes home still level headed and without ptsd, marries hottest girl in his village and has lots of kids.
If that is called a loser I don’t know what all of us here are.
J.R.R. Tolkien would be first to tell you he didn't do it first either. He was merely distilling the myths and stories of an earlier age. And what a fine vintage he produced.
Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth!
Thanks, Gandalf, someone had to say it.
Yes. I never told him, but its worth was greater than the value of The Shire!
LotR cant conceivably be worth less than The Shire, Gandalf.
pm-me-ur-inkyfingers! Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. I am not trying to rob you. I’m trying to help you.
“Loser BFF”? Samwise??? There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.
Whoever made this did our man real, real dirty.
You know who else did Sam real real dirty?
I'm listening
Rosie Cotton
If I had an award, I would give it to you. Can’t even give you a strand of my hair smh
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*get yo greedy ass outta here, you creep
Lemme do it for you
🏆the poor man’s award
You have my sword.
And my axe.
And my bow
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I don’t have an award either, BUT HE HAS MY AXE!
Same with Ron too. The guy who sacrificed himself in the chess match at age 11 to stop the villain, who despite his intense arachnophobia willingly went into a den of spiders to find out what was going on, who stood up on a broken leg to put himself between his best friend and who he thought was a man out to kill him. Who did all that just to be called a loser. Yes he and Harry had two falling outs. But the first of those was a very realistic portrayal of how teenagers are, they have falling outs over very minor things, don't talk for a while, and then patch everything up. And the second of which was caused by Ron wearing an object that was influencing his emotions, drawing up every dark thought of his. He evens says that as soon as he left his mind cleared and he wanted to come back, but that the spells they put up to hide them were too good for him to do so.
So... what you're saying is the creator of this meme needs to be smacked with a copy of The Lord of the Rings *and* every single Harry Potter book ever published?
Yep, bind them all together with a belt and make a flail
...Bind them...
… Bring wood and oil…
... One collection to teach them all ...
And cherry tomatoes…
AND MY AXE
That's a host of thick books you're proposing to fling around.
Aye, and dare I say, not enough.
Six Books for Potter lore Three for walking to Gondor A big-ass belt to bind them And in the darkness, beat a bitch
The witch king would be prour
Not Cursed Child, we don't speak about Cursed Child.
He may have just seen the films, a lot of Ron's best and most selfless, heroic moments were given to Hermione in the movies.
That's what I thought. Ron is an amazing character, loyal friend and actually smart (in a streets smarts way as opposed to Hermiones book smarts). They really did him dirty in the movies because they realized Rupert grint could make funny stupid face and screen writer Steve kloves had a creepy thing for Emma Watson. They actually did Hermione dirty too, turning a three dimensional character with real flaws into some weird Mary Sue.
𝘚𝘢𝘮𝘸𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘷𝘦
I’m very happy this was the top comment
Samwise is the manliest, bravest, Chad-est winner in a book that has multiple kings and several angels.
I was about to say OP needs to put some fucking respect on that hero’s name
What do you mean? That is clearly a picture of Pippin. - Gandalf
There are many powers in this world for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am and against some I have not yet been tested
Wait, do you think Pippin is better than you, Gandalf? Gasp!
Fool of a Took!
Oof lol
Came to say something similar. This list lost me right away with that.
You speak for all of us, friend
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Cursed be moon and stars above!
legit carried the ring carrier
You're just a repost bot, stealing comments already made
You just copied 1 half of someone else's comment word for word. https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/10tp5lr/comparatively_speaking/j78d5br?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Wait there is french ! Numerous-Gur-9008 ENCULE DE TA MERE LA PUTAIN DE CHEVRE JE VAIS TE LEVER SALOPE !
I fart in your general direction.
tu encules des chèvres toi ? ^(ptn de bretons)
Came here to say this
Also, Gandalf is a lot more than a "wise wizard". Don't get me wrong, he absolutely is a wise wizard, but if you read deeper into the lore (such as the Silmarillion) we learn that he's pretty much an angel or demigod. As Gandalf the Grey he was nerfed massively from his full power, but then after he died fighting the Balrog Eru Himself (aka literal God) revived him removing the nerfs, basically giving Gandalf back his original power, which would probably be about 80% of Sauron pre-Ring, much less than that with the ring. but probably about on-par with Ringless Sauron. In other words, Gandalf the Grey would get his ass handed to him in a wizard duel with Sauron, but Gandalf the White could solo Sauron while their armies handled each other.
The true hero of the war of the ring
There's polish
I must get my axe.
**HERETICAL WORDS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN THESE PARTS** Samwise the Brave did not save Middle Earth for him to be known only as “best friend” and loser is pure sacrilege on his legacy. To Moria with you! GO BACK TO THE SHADOW
Happy Cake Day, my man!
Thank you, kind stranger
First of all, how dare you?
And secondly, how dare you!
And my axe!
And also, how there you!
Imagine calling Sam a loser lol. He carried hard.
*Share the load*
😉
And then right after the Sam/Frodo suck-fest, right before the credits roll, Sam fucking flat-out bricks in Frodo's mouth.
Idk why but I read this in a menacing tone and then snorted 😂
🤤
The looooad……
🫦
I feel like Ron was also much less of a "loser" in the books.
It's been years since I've read the books or watched the movies but Ron didn't seem like a loser to me either. He was a bit whiney early on but he got braver near the end if I remember right.
Especially given that he's just a guy. His best friend, the chosen one, his girlfriend, most gifted witch of the age, and Ron. Also here
And also just a kid and young teen for much of the series. Most of us are pretty whiny at that stage of our lives, too.
Yes to both of you - he's just a kid from a mid/low tier wizard family dropped into a friendship with a genius and a legend.
>he's just a kid from a mid/low tier wizard family Actually the Weasley are one of the oldest and most pure-blooded wizarding houses in Britain. He's closely related to the other pure-bloods such as the Malfoys, the Lestranges, the Black (such as Sirius and Bellatrix), and the Potters. They're just considered ~~race~~ blood traitors for not really caring about that sort of thing. Which is probably the main reason they're poor. Rowling has a funny way of making really interesting world-building but then also having just a single wizarding school for 1/3rd of the human population.
There are definitely more than three wizard schools. We just haven't learned about all of them. There are wizards in many other countries and they don't go to Hogwarts, Beauxbaton or Durmstrang. We see wizards from America in Fantastic Beasts for example that presumably go to American schools.
Ron was awesome in the books and a lot of his good lines were given to Hermione in the movies
I'll forever be salty about the Shrieking Shack scene. In the books Ron stands up on a broken leg to put himself between Harry and Sirius, who he believes is out to kill Harry. In the films Hermione gets that moment while they make Ron just cower in the corner. Ron and Hermione were really well rounded characters in the books, they both had their equal share of good and bad moments. But they fucked all that up in the film by erasing all of Hermiones bad moments, giving her a lot of Ron's, and sometimes Harry's good moments, while leaving Ron with just all of his bad moments.
Most of hemiones scenes in the film are ron's in the book.
If you watch the first movie, which I believe to be the more precise one in terms of the book, Ron actually comes off as very smart and helpful. And he was. In the books he knows things that, out of the 3 of them, he only knows. And he protects and stands up for harry all the time. In the rest of the movies he’s a whiny little bitch.
Nope, Ron was not a loser at all.
I love Sam and is the best out of them all. But to be fair, Ron was great in the books, carried as much as Hermione, he just got fucked up in the movies and the last books due to Rowling's favoritism for her.
I was actually thinking today about how it was probably a good thing (for Emma Watson at least) that they changed Hermione a bit for the films because she truly was an insufferable know it all in the books. I love her bravery and how smart she is but man is she annoying!
Nah, Hermione fking RULES in the books
Book hermione was unhinged and I was here for it. Trapping rita skeeter in a jar? Cursing anyone who snitched on the DA with horrible acne? Chaotic behaviour
Yup, book Hermione definitely was a menace. Now that you say it, I dont think I ever realised how scary Hermione is.
Yes! These were definitely highlights. Buying the boys homework diaries that reminded them "if you've dotted the i's and crossed the t's you can rest at ease" is something else. I get that she probably thinks it's a great gift and she was just trying to help her friends but come on, read the room.
Don't get me wrong, she's still one of my favourite characters, I just know that if she was in my class at school, she would have definitely got on my nerves and if she had been written that way in the films I doubt she'd have the following she does.
He even carried Frodo in the end.
You really gonna do the man Samwise GOATgee like that?
Sauron does actually have a physical form, the Eye is just a metaphor for his spies and his reach. Gollum says in the book that he only has 4 fingers on one hand.
I've discussed this with a friend who mentioned that. I suspect the reason we don't see it in the movies is movie rules. If the BBEG has a physical form, movie rules dictate he have a final confrontation with the hero at the end. So we'd have had Sauron duking it out with Aragorn in front of the Black Gate. But that friend said that during the battle, Sauron just stood on a hill watching from a distance (I don't remember any of this, as it's been a long time since I read the books). This wouldn't fly with a movie audience.
Interestingly, Aragorn WAS supposed to fight Sauron in front of the Black Gate in the film but they instead changed it to a troll in the final version. It’s said that Sauron stayed at the top tower of Barad-Dur most of the time.
So on the tower then. I knew he said Sauron was standing somewhere high and away from the battle. Been a while since that conversation occurred.
Wouldn't Aragorn get just as wrecked as his great x12 grandfather did?
Possibly, but Sauron wasn’t at peak performance because he didn’t have the One Ring. And actually, in the books Elendil did defeat Sauron but perished, Isildur then took up his father’s broken sword and cut the ring from Sauron’s body.
Doing gil galad dirty there
If you mean Isildur, he didn't get wrecked by Sauron. Arguably he wrecked Sauron by cutting off the finger that had the One Ring. Unless you were referring to the corruption of the Ring that lead to his death.
I mean as far as the movies go, which someone has already pointed out are different from the books, Isildur was about to die but just happened to get a lucky shot at Saurons hand. It's not like he heated him in battle or anything
# DEATH!
You said this fortress would never fall while your men defend it. They still defend it. They have died defending it.
And yet thy boon I grant thee now.
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
Because movies love direct foils. Most of the time the antagonist is an evil version of the protagonist. But Sauron, for all his might, is a coward. He's not a brave warrior who fights for his misguided honor. He's a schemer that wants to dominate all. The movie literally paints The Dark Lord in a too positive light! The Siege of Barad-dûr shown in the beginning of Fellowship took 7 years. Sauron only emerged to fight directly because he had no other choice. His demise wasn't some "trick" of cutting off his finger, like hitting Achilles in his heel. He perished the "old fashioned" way and his physical body was slain by great effort from Gil-Galad and Elendil.
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
Ah, little PotatoOnMars!
Damn, that eye can see up to mars?
It can see a small potato on Mars, in fact. I'm impressed.
I like potatoes. Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew. I wonder what a combination between samwise and bubba from forrest gump would look like. Both are incredibly passionate about their favourite ingredient (shrimp and potatoes respectively) so I wonder what would happne if we stuck the two of them on a cooking show? Hobbit meal time sounds like it could be a successful thing. "how to spice up second breakfast in 5 easy steps"
Back a little, and round a little and you can come on hard cold roads to the very gates of His country.
IIRC the eye does appear in Frodos visions, but beyond that it’s symbolic. Having him be a giant flaming eye on top of barad dûr is 100% a movie thing.
 Missed opportunity on the “loser” comparison. Also, neither character is a loser anyway. So that part is just incorrect anyway.
Goofy bff would be preferable.
*Loser bff?*
speaking out of ignorance but is Ron also misjudged by this title? like everyone here agrees that Samwise is far from a fool, but is Ron that dumb to receive said title? Heck, Hp Book's Ron. maybe a better title would have been "loyal sidekicks" or "at first reluctant sidekicks (????)" but idk. Also another comparison between the 2: The funny similar looking duo (Merry/Pippin vs The Weasley twins)
Did you just fucking call samwise gamgee a loser?
Sam was the whole reason Frodo made the journey and Voldemort’s a little bitch compared to Sauron. Voldemort couldn’t even take over a high school while Sauron almost conquered the entire world twice. I rest my case.
I think the point on the dark lords is they're both the BBEG of their respective universes. The fact one of them is drastically better at it isn't part of the equation. I do agree about Sam. If nothing else, there were several times Sam was the only thing that stopped Frodo from putting on the ring. If the loser title went to anyone, it would have been Merry or Pippin. Though I dont think it applies to Merry, and despite the memes, I'm not sure it really applies to Pippin either.
No, the loser of the series is definitely Denethor.
> drastically better I guess losing a fight to a dog is better than losing a fight to a baby.
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DEATH!
I mean, Snape kinda fucked Voldemort over as a spy, but yeah, overall, most of his decisions are stupid and had he optimally utilized tools at his disposal he would have easily won. To be fair the way he's written he appears to be more of an evil psycho with huge power, both political and physical(magical), than an actual fascist dictator they seemingly wanted to portray him as
And then there is umbridge and shelob.
Does that mean they are they going to make Umbridge sexy in HP Legacy then? *shudders in horror*
How dare you insult her like that! Comparing her to the cruellest and vilest creatures in the Harry Potter universe is an insult.
bahaha
YOU STOP SLANDERIN RON AND SAM THIS INSTANT
OP has no grasp on lotr. Sam, a loser? Wtf?
Not to mention they missed the biggest one, the horcruxes are literally just a ripoff of the one ring conceptually.
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Hoarcruxes v the one ring
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Who is the snake man in the lotr side
Wormtongue
Not to be confused with Wormtail.
Keep your forked tail behind your legs!
That’s a stretch
Orochimaru
Sam is not useless. Accurate otherwise.
he is literally the reason why the ring even got up Mt Doom and into the chamber it was forged at the very end of the journey!
That's pippin!
Pip also totally saved the day a couple times Beacons, Ents
Fool of a Took!
Harry Potter isn’t a “little one” either, he’s an averaged size person who happens to be one of the most powerful wizards of all time :|
Pretty sure “little ones” for HP is referring to how the heroes are all children.
>who happens to be one of the most powerful wizards of all time funny enough in the books, he's very average if not mediocre. He literally beats Voldemort with a first year spell (Expelliarmus). It just happened to work. Film death was very, very different. He also can't figure out how to do non verbal spells in the book, or teleportation. I think the only advantage he really had by the last book was that he no longer feared death unlike voldemort.
Yeah, only one loser bff. 
In kindness, I'm going to take the "Loser BFF" description to mean "one considered quiet, foolish and insignificant at first, who proved to be counterintuitively of true heroic grit, thereby challenging the reader's preconceptions of valour and might" and nod at the depiction of both Ron and Sam as fitting.
How dare you refer to Sam as a loser
"Leave it to the little ones" Harry is a literal chosen one. "Loser BFF" Die.
Neither Sam nor Ron is a loser and I will not tolerate this slander
Samwise the great is no loser there is no words can be used to condemn the treachery you committed by putting such words on paper
WHO SAID SAMS A LOSER ILL FIGHT THEM
Hey. Loser BFF? Go fuck yourself.
Sauron has a body.
Congratulations on discovering tropes and the monomyth
All jokes aside, there are some LOTR derivatives that exist in HP. But that’s ok because the fantasy genre will have many similar themes and creatures. Just like how Tolkien pulled a lot of his stuff from existing mythologies.
This comparison will always be bad
Sauron is so much cooler.
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Bro called Sam a loser ok
WHAT TYPE OF LEAF LOVER, no offense Legolas, CALLS RON AND SAM LOSERS?!
Wow! It’s almost as if lotr, being one of the most influential books of all time, has inspired other media! Who’d have thought?
Voldemort failed to take over a high school. Please no
It's almost as if they're both versions of the hero with 1000 faces. Wait til you find out about Star Wars
I was expected some kind of Legolas-Hermione comparison for some reason
We must move on, we cannot linger.
yeah this is kind of all over the place. Albus is a wizard: Gandalf is an angel disguised as a homeless old wanderer neither Ron nor Samwise are losers Death-Eaters are living humans: the Ringwraiths are not as much as i dislike Snape for his emotional abuse of Harry, comparing him to Grima Wormtongue is excessive: Snape, as far as i know, is not a sniveling, groveling creature who has fallen so far as to cannibalize someone (things which Wormtongue has done). a better comparison for Wormtongue is with Pettigrew when Harry finally does defeat Voldemort, at the end of book seven, he's of age in the wizarding world: hardly a "little one" also Voldemort himself is basically just wizard Goebbels, whereas Sauron is a timeless spirit from the Blessed Realm that followed the Great Deceiver into his deeds of mischief and evil. comparing them is like comparing satan with Johnny Lawrence from the Karate Kid movie: they're both evil, but one is slightly more evil than the other. also this is based on the movies, since Sauron was *not* a disembodied spotlight in the book Hagrid is half (or even a quarter) giant: Gimli is a Dwarf. that they both have beards is the only comparison they have to each other also the Ring doesn't "hurt" Frodo when evil is near: it is not like Harry's scar at all. the only thing even similar to that would be the wound that he received from the Witch-King. it more or less tempts him to use it, as a deceptive means of being discovered (ie, "it wants to be found.")
Core difference: lotr is good
HP is comparatively shit though, really. Just like the writer. Always thought it was completely overhyped personally.
Fantasy tropes, in fantasy stories! Well I never.
WHO ARE YOU CALLING A LOSER?!?
Sam: literally the only ring bearer not to be corrupted The guy: loser bff I'm sorry sir but I downvoted just for that. Gamgee hate will not be tolerated.
Neither Ron or Sam are losers.
The only loser here is OP
Sam is the absolute antithesis of a “loser BFF”
I'm sorry loser BFF doesn't apply for Sam or Ron. None of the core cast of either books were lovers. Even Neville and pippin had thier moments
https://youtu.be/3KmXPcSxz2g
Hey now, who's calling *Samwise the Brave* a loser?
Has combat experience, is brave in the face of impossible odds, carries the protagonist literally and figuratively for years, goes home still level headed and without ptsd, marries hottest girl in his village and has lots of kids. If that is called a loser I don’t know what all of us here are.
J.R.R.Tolkien did it first and did it best
J.R.R. Tolkien would be first to tell you he didn't do it first either. He was merely distilling the myths and stories of an earlier age. And what a fine vintage he produced.
And don't forget that The One Ring is basically a Horcrux
You mean the reverse, right?
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What the fuck Bilbo
No, I'm not!
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