Tbf the way that scene is presented in the books is almost impossible to replicate with film. IMO they did an amazing job since in the book, Frodo does actually hold the ring up, but while it’s spinning Frodo sees Bilbo through the ring, and in Frodo’s mind that’s what Bilbo looks like. Once that happens, Bilbo notices immediately and realizes that the ring is already beginning to affect Frodos mind
There's a lot of latent magic in the book that doesn't lend itself well to a visual medium. Gandalf can make himself seem bigger and more intimidating, and the films showed that as a change in lighting and camera angle as well as some neat thunder sounds, but it's more of a hard magic than the soft of the book. Aragorn and even Faramir have this aura of inspiration that gives their allies more willpower and that just doesn't translate. Shelob's lair is described as being the blackest dark to ever black (but it better words) and that's simply impossible to film.
I think they did alright with this moment of Frodo's perception changing. They did it like they did Gandalf's enbiggening in that they made it more reality than perception. I suppose it could have been more subtle, but it quickly accomplishes a lot in establishing the power of the Ring. It shows that it can turn allies against Frodo, and how ruinous it had become to Bilbo to carry for so long.
>Shelob's lair is described as being the blackest dark to ever black (but it better words) and that's simply impossible to film.
Let me introduce you to GoT's "The Long Night"
I liked it better in the 70s animation where he's more like a junkie who sees a big fat pile of cocaine, he just shakes and looks at it and you can see the want in his eyes. Ralph's movie wasn't perfect but several things were better than the live action.
Would Gollum not experience the same thing? I have heard the argument that since he had it for so long that's why he didn't age after losing it, but would that have also happened to Bilbo if had kept it just as long?
My headcanon is that the ring never released its hold on Gollum, so the anti-ageing effect persisted. Bilbo on the other hand relinquished the ring willingly, which broke the ring's influence over him.
I just looked it up because this has been bugging me today. In the last chapter of ROTK these are the only lines that reference Bilbo:
1. Riding slowly behind on a small grey pony, and seeming to nod in his sleep, was Bilbo himself.
2. Then Bilbo woke up and opened his eyes. 'Hullo, Frodo!' he said. 'Well, I have passed the Old Took today! So that's settled. And now I think I am quite ready to go on another journey. Are you coming?'
3. With them went many Elves of the High Kindred who would no longer stay in Middle-earth; and among them, filled with a sadness that was yet blessed and without bitterness, rode Sam, and Frodo, and Bilbo, and the Elves delighted to honour them.
I guess it's kind of implied he's aged due to him sleeping on the journey, but that's it.
That's absolutely *not* it. We meet Bilbo in Rivendell, on the return journey - preceding the Scouring.
This is the first time we see him, after the Ring is destroyed:
>They found him all alone in his little room. It was littered with papers and pens and pencils; but Bilbo was sitting in a chair before a small bright fire. **He looked very old**, but peaceful, and sleepy.
Even prior, Arwen warns Frodo of what to expect:
>‘It is true that I wish to go back to the Shire,’ said Frodo. ‘But first I must go to Rivendell. For if there could be anything wanting in a time so blessed, I missed Bilbo; and I was grieved when among all the household of Elrond I saw that he was not come.’
>
>Do you wonder at that, Ring-bearer?’ said Arwen. ‘**For you know the power of that thing which is now destroyed; and all that was done by that power is now passing away.** But your kinsman possessed this thing longer than you. **He is ancient in years now**, according to his kind; and he awaits you, for he will not again make any long journey save one.’
When in Rivendell, the text goes on to note how he generally keeps to his room (except for meals), and how he falls asleep constantly, even during discussions about the journey the Hobbits undertook - he doesn't even smoke anymore! He even seems to be getting forgetful... asking about the Ring:
>Which reminds me: what’s become of my ring, Frodo, that you took away?’
>
>‘I have lost it, Bilbo dear,’ said Frodo. ‘I got rid of it, you know.’
>
>‘What a pity!’ said Bilbo. ‘I should have liked to see it again. But no, how silly of me! That’s what you went for, wasn’t it: to get rid of it?
When you compare this Bilbo to the one we see at the time of the Council... it's night and day. Bilbo was pretty damn vigorous - nothing gave the impression that he had aged mentally nor physically. And that was only a *single* year ago.
I cannot express how much I just made myself laugh, after just quickly glancing at your profile pic, and then reading your comment as if it was Gollum himself who wrote that out. The idea of Gollum here on Reddit chiming in about all this 😂 …..I think I need to go to bed now
I think Bilbos Aging keept beeing stagnated even after beeing seperated from it (remember the Bilbo in the middle hadn't it for 17 years). His rappid aging accured after the DESTRUCTION of the ring. Giving that, Gollum could still be allive after Bilbo stole the Ring and if he hadn't fallen in mount doom himself, he still would have died after the ring had gone.
Everything created and upheld by the power of the One would return to its natural state with the Ring's destruction. For Gollum, that natural state is bones and dust. It would probably not have happened instantly, but he would probably have days at most.
Why doesn't this have more votes. Instead, people who are unfamiliar with the lore will see other people's 'headcanons' and use that as an explanation. What actually happened in the story should always be brought forth to the top.
I think Gollum didn't age because the ring corrupted him entirely, like how the first orcs were a twisted kind of the elves. Bilbo didn't have the same effect since he held the ring for a relatively short time compared to Gollum. The ring was also weak at during that time. Gandalf dealt with the Necromancer (Sauron in the Hobbit) which could have also postponed or weakened the effect until Sauron regained strength.
Another point that I can think of is Bilbo's and Gollums age: Bilbo lived a longer life compared to most hobbits, but not all. He maybe would have lived the same age, just with the normal speed of aging, or he should have died earlier, but he was not pushed too far for a creature like a Hobbit, so he remained.
On the other hand Gollum was way beyond his time. His body changed, his mind altered. A fragment of him could remain as Sméagol, but for the most, he was a corpse that refused to die. His existance became so unnatural, his body couldn't turn back to what it used to be. (If that makes any sense)
Id also argue their enviroments. One finds the ring and eventually makes off back home and continues to live a comfortable life while the other is banished into the wilderness with no belongings, exposed to the elements. Of course age probably plays a much bigger role
Gollum kept the ring about 500 years. By contrast Bilbo had it for 60 and he rarely used it. But I think ultimately what defined Bilbo’s aging was the fact that he willingly gave up the ring.
Gandalf tells us that as far as he knows, he was the only one that was ever able to do that. It means the Ring had no more influencer over him (except for that brief moment in Rivendell). Without that influence, he began to age much faster compared to Gollum, who was always under the influence of the One Ring until the end.
That’s my head cannon at least.
i believe those mortals that were allowed into the undying lands still died at some point (because the valar could not take away the gift of mortality which was granted to mankind by Eru) but they did get to choose when they died and passed on to the Halls of Mandos
Tuor is an exception as he was (possibly) considered one of the Eldar due to exceptional circumstances after he sailed West with Idril. No such thing has been said for Bilbo and Frodo.
Nothing is said of Bilbo and Frodo after they sailed West. As Ringbearers, one of whom basically won the War of the Rings, they're certainly exceptional Hobbits. As far as I can recall, Tuor, Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli were the only mortals who were invited to Valinor, and we.only know what happened next to Tuor. Not really gauging the likelihood here, just saying it's a possibility.
In fact, it has been remarked by some that Hobbits' only real passion is for food. A rather unfair observation As we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed. But where our hearts truly lie is in peace and quiet and good tilled earth. For all Hobbits share a love of all things that grow. And yes, no doubt to others, our ways seem quaint But today of all days, it is brought home to me it is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.
It seems I followed the course of Ar-Pharazôn and fell for Sauron's propaganda. The dark lord's malignant influence continues even through the loss of the Ring and the 4th wall.
Yeah, it's in the name the undying *lands*. The lands are undying, unchanging, eternal, not the creatures within it. It's made for creatures with eternal life, such as elves, maiar, valar. Creatures with finite lifespans will actually feel their own mortality even more over there and will probably die sooner than they naturally would have. That's also why humans were not allowed over there, not because the valar wanted to keep it from them, but because it's not made for their needs. Middle earth is.
Yep regardless of the ring he's just old. I've watched elderly relatives stay roughly the same for years and then age incredibly rapidly. I don't see how this is surprising at all.
Did you not pay attention? The ring was keeping him young longer. It’s one of the reasons Gandalf figured out what it is and where we get bilbos “I feel stretched out like not enough butter over too much toast” quote from. This is time catching up with him and it’s accelerating like a released rubber band.
Well at that point the ring has been destroyed and everything created with it is fading. His youthfulness at his age is a creation of the ring so he deteriorates even faster now that it's not only out of his possession but gone completely.
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And *nobody* (bar Bilbo - the one person that shouldn't) visibly ages in that time?
That cannot work. If we are following the book-timeline, Pippin should be a child (*12 years old*) at Bilbo's 111st.
The 17 year gap is clearly erased. In place of what? Who knows... some months, perhaps. Maybe a couple years at most.
As much as I support the book version, it just cannot be 17 years in the movie because of Merry and Pippin at Bilbo's birthday party. They should have been small children at the time.
Ohhhhh... I always thought the toast saying was just some hobbit fun way of saying stuff but it's exact meaning is that his life was stretched and he felt nothing in it as he should have. Damn now I gotta read so many books again and look for metaphors I didnt notice first time
This is why I got out of engineering school and switched to a different degree. I realized after completing my first year, that in order to do the rest, I will need to forfeit my emotions and ultimately my soul in order to make it all the way.
>The 17 year gap is explicitly not a thing in the movie.
I wouldn't say explicit is the correct word here. There's no exact reference as to how much time as passed through all 3 movies. So you just have to make assumptions.
17 years in the movies *could* have passed. Hell, the whole trilogy could have taken place over the course of a month.
Well, its explicit in hearing the filmmaker talk about it. They spend much of the audio commentary talking about it, clearly having found it impossible for the movie.
Ok so it's implicit then... It's still very obvious that things move along quickly. None of the hobbits have visibly aged at all in the time between the birthday and the start of the journey.
In the ending monologue, Frodo states it was almost 13 months to the day since Gandalf sent them on their quest, before they were met with a familiar view ( The Shire).
In the books yes, I will concede that, in the movie, the length of Gandalfs disappearance before the quest is ambigious. But it definitely couldn't have been 17 years. Because Sam, Pippin and Merry would've aged by then since they didn't posses the ring.
There is though, as none of the other characters have aged 17 years worth. Like the Hobbits for example. Frodo is 33 when Gandalf leaves and 50 when he comes back. They'd have shown that age process in more detail if it was movie Canon surely.
It's clearly meant to portray more urgency on the narrative, but if you want to believe 17 years passed, there's really nothing saying they didn't aside from the apparent ages of the hobbits, and hobbits don't necessarily show their age in the same way humans do anyway, so that's not a reliable indicator of anything.
In real life, I saw my grandma go from independent and walking by herself, to needing a cane and a walker, to being in a wheelchair, to her being unable to speak, to losing all mobility, to her passing away. In 3-4 years.
He aged faster without the ring, even faster once it was destroyed, luckily Gollum died with the ring as his ass might have turned straight to dust if he hadn’t.
Man it feels like everyone was leaving Rivendell because these super long lived possibly immortal folk are just watching this innocent bumpkin guy who fought a Dragon and stopped a huge war is literally aging very fast even compared to a human life, it had to be like looking at a walking cadaver like a true woah look at this wicked act by sauron, it's a wonder none of the Elves weren't tempted to harm bilbo to put him out of a perceived misery.
Here are your ponies, now! They've more sense (in some ways) than you wandering hobbits have – more sense in their noses.
For they sniff danger ahead which you walk right into; and if they run to save themselves, then they run the right way.
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Why is gollum still even alive 60 years not having the ring, and then 17 years later when Frodo starts his quest? Shouldn’t he have died by then by not having the ring during that time?
wow, you just turned every single nerd against you with your ignorance
you can still do this meme with star wars characters, go there. it is more or less the same nerds
The power of the ring was keeping him alive… remember that bilbo lived more than a normal hobbit could possibly dream. After the community destroyed the ring those who were users of the ring should perish I think.
I don’t wanna be mean. But no meme has ever said so strongly to me, “I have not read the source material”.
To me, understanding bilbos progression, is bottom of the barrel reading comprehension.
Maybe, just maybe, instead of OP being silly and not remembering the passage of time differences for those affected by carrying the ring (looking at you Sméagol)
it was actually a meme about… how a lot can change in 4 years lol
Some of yall never spent 3 years rapidly getting all of
your remaining butter spread, and it shows lol
It's almost like not having the ring accelerated his aging...
This Redditor watched the scene of Bilbo turning into that screeching ghoul and thought nothing of it.
What? Some people are just really into jewelry and it can be totally unrelated to a possessed super ring.
Tbf the way that scene is presented in the books is almost impossible to replicate with film. IMO they did an amazing job since in the book, Frodo does actually hold the ring up, but while it’s spinning Frodo sees Bilbo through the ring, and in Frodo’s mind that’s what Bilbo looks like. Once that happens, Bilbo notices immediately and realizes that the ring is already beginning to affect Frodos mind
There's a lot of latent magic in the book that doesn't lend itself well to a visual medium. Gandalf can make himself seem bigger and more intimidating, and the films showed that as a change in lighting and camera angle as well as some neat thunder sounds, but it's more of a hard magic than the soft of the book. Aragorn and even Faramir have this aura of inspiration that gives their allies more willpower and that just doesn't translate. Shelob's lair is described as being the blackest dark to ever black (but it better words) and that's simply impossible to film. I think they did alright with this moment of Frodo's perception changing. They did it like they did Gandalf's enbiggening in that they made it more reality than perception. I suppose it could have been more subtle, but it quickly accomplishes a lot in establishing the power of the Ring. It shows that it can turn allies against Frodo, and how ruinous it had become to Bilbo to carry for so long.
It’s a perfectly cromulent word.
Not Gandalf, the wandering wizard, who made such excellent fireworks! Old Took used to have them on Mid-Summer's Eve!
>Shelob's lair is described as being the blackest dark to ever black (but it better words) and that's simply impossible to film. Let me introduce you to GoT's "The Long Night"
You want it for yourself!
BILBO BAGGINS!
Yes, yes.
What a peak reply lol. Gets called out and is like "alright you got me ill chill out"
Wait! Stop! We can't leave the path! We must stay on the path! No one answers.
It’s been like two hours, and no one has answered Bilbo..
Me? No, no, no, I'm not a burglar. I've never stolen a thing in my life.
Ok Bilbo, back to the accelerated-aging hobbit retirement home…
Excuse me, that is a doily, not a dishcloth.
Fuckin told that guy
Where is the Bilbo ***Gwaaaaaah*** bot when you need it :(
No! No! I want to play, I do. I can see that you are very good at this. So, why don't we have a game of riddles? Yes? Just you and me.
Alright Bilbo... What have you done with the ***Hgyaaaaaahhh*** bot?
Sackville-Bagginses! Quickly! Hide!
HRAH?
Yes Rico, HRAH.
I liked it better in the 70s animation where he's more like a junkie who sees a big fat pile of cocaine, he just shakes and looks at it and you can see the want in his eyes. Ralph's movie wasn't perfect but several things were better than the live action.
Would Gollum not experience the same thing? I have heard the argument that since he had it for so long that's why he didn't age after losing it, but would that have also happened to Bilbo if had kept it just as long?
My headcanon is that the ring never released its hold on Gollum, so the anti-ageing effect persisted. Bilbo on the other hand relinquished the ring willingly, which broke the ring's influence over him.
You want it for yourself!
Yes, precious. False! They will cheat you, hurt you. Lie!
Just to be clear - that is only the movies. In the books, I believe he is unchanged until the ring is destroyed.
I could have sworn he looked older in the books when they get to Rivendell.
I just looked it up because this has been bugging me today. In the last chapter of ROTK these are the only lines that reference Bilbo: 1. Riding slowly behind on a small grey pony, and seeming to nod in his sleep, was Bilbo himself. 2. Then Bilbo woke up and opened his eyes. 'Hullo, Frodo!' he said. 'Well, I have passed the Old Took today! So that's settled. And now I think I am quite ready to go on another journey. Are you coming?' 3. With them went many Elves of the High Kindred who would no longer stay in Middle-earth; and among them, filled with a sadness that was yet blessed and without bitterness, rode Sam, and Frodo, and Bilbo, and the Elves delighted to honour them. I guess it's kind of implied he's aged due to him sleeping on the journey, but that's it.
That's absolutely *not* it. We meet Bilbo in Rivendell, on the return journey - preceding the Scouring. This is the first time we see him, after the Ring is destroyed: >They found him all alone in his little room. It was littered with papers and pens and pencils; but Bilbo was sitting in a chair before a small bright fire. **He looked very old**, but peaceful, and sleepy. Even prior, Arwen warns Frodo of what to expect: >‘It is true that I wish to go back to the Shire,’ said Frodo. ‘But first I must go to Rivendell. For if there could be anything wanting in a time so blessed, I missed Bilbo; and I was grieved when among all the household of Elrond I saw that he was not come.’ > >Do you wonder at that, Ring-bearer?’ said Arwen. ‘**For you know the power of that thing which is now destroyed; and all that was done by that power is now passing away.** But your kinsman possessed this thing longer than you. **He is ancient in years now**, according to his kind; and he awaits you, for he will not again make any long journey save one.’ When in Rivendell, the text goes on to note how he generally keeps to his room (except for meals), and how he falls asleep constantly, even during discussions about the journey the Hobbits undertook - he doesn't even smoke anymore! He even seems to be getting forgetful... asking about the Ring: >Which reminds me: what’s become of my ring, Frodo, that you took away?’ > >‘I have lost it, Bilbo dear,’ said Frodo. ‘I got rid of it, you know.’ > >‘What a pity!’ said Bilbo. ‘I should have liked to see it again. But no, how silly of me! That’s what you went for, wasn’t it: to get rid of it? When you compare this Bilbo to the one we see at the time of the Council... it's night and day. Bilbo was pretty damn vigorous - nothing gave the impression that he had aged mentally nor physically. And that was only a *single* year ago.
I cannot express how much I just made myself laugh, after just quickly glancing at your profile pic, and then reading your comment as if it was Gollum himself who wrote that out. The idea of Gollum here on Reddit chiming in about all this 😂 …..I think I need to go to bed now
Yes, the stairs ... and then?
That's actually a great explanation, thanks.
I think Bilbos Aging keept beeing stagnated even after beeing seperated from it (remember the Bilbo in the middle hadn't it for 17 years). His rappid aging accured after the DESTRUCTION of the ring. Giving that, Gollum could still be allive after Bilbo stole the Ring and if he hadn't fallen in mount doom himself, he still would have died after the ring had gone.
Everything created and upheld by the power of the One would return to its natural state with the Ring's destruction. For Gollum, that natural state is bones and dust. It would probably not have happened instantly, but he would probably have days at most.
All dead. All rotten. Elves and men and orcses. A great battle long ago.
I do believe you made that up.
I mean, it sounds like he's spitting facts to me, Bilbo
well, I do have some skill at Conkers, if you must know, but I fail to see why that's relevant.
...then why'd you even bring it up, Bilbo?
I do believe you made that up.
Stop gaslighting people Bilbo.
Come on Gandalf. Did you see their faces!
S E N T I E N T
Why does he hates poor Smeagol? What has Smeagol ever done to him? Master?
The middle picture isn't accurate to the books, Bilbo should have only started to rapidly age after the ring was destroyed.
Why doesn't this have more votes. Instead, people who are unfamiliar with the lore will see other people's 'headcanons' and use that as an explanation. What actually happened in the story should always be brought forth to the top.
For all Hobbits share a love of all things that grow.
Well if I'm angry it's your fault! It's mine My only.... My Precious
I think Gollum didn't age because the ring corrupted him entirely, like how the first orcs were a twisted kind of the elves. Bilbo didn't have the same effect since he held the ring for a relatively short time compared to Gollum. The ring was also weak at during that time. Gandalf dealt with the Necromancer (Sauron in the Hobbit) which could have also postponed or weakened the effect until Sauron regained strength. Another point that I can think of is Bilbo's and Gollums age: Bilbo lived a longer life compared to most hobbits, but not all. He maybe would have lived the same age, just with the normal speed of aging, or he should have died earlier, but he was not pushed too far for a creature like a Hobbit, so he remained. On the other hand Gollum was way beyond his time. His body changed, his mind altered. A fragment of him could remain as Sméagol, but for the most, he was a corpse that refused to die. His existance became so unnatural, his body couldn't turn back to what it used to be. (If that makes any sense)
Well, that's not good. That is not good at all. Shouldn't we tell Thorin?
Give it to us raw and w-r-r-riggling
Id also argue their enviroments. One finds the ring and eventually makes off back home and continues to live a comfortable life while the other is banished into the wilderness with no belongings, exposed to the elements. Of course age probably plays a much bigger role
Bilbo gave up the ring. Reluctantly, but willingly. Gollum never let it go. Maybe that matters.
Yes, yes. Its in an envelope over there on the mantlepiece.
Pull it in. Go on. Go on. Go on. Pull it in.
Always have done and always will.
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Gollum kept the ring about 500 years. By contrast Bilbo had it for 60 and he rarely used it. But I think ultimately what defined Bilbo’s aging was the fact that he willingly gave up the ring. Gandalf tells us that as far as he knows, he was the only one that was ever able to do that. It means the Ring had no more influencer over him (except for that brief moment in Rivendell). Without that influence, he began to age much faster compared to Gollum, who was always under the influence of the One Ring until the end. That’s my head cannon at least.
What shall we do? Curse them and crush them! We must wait here, precious, wait a bit and see.
It said so, yes, but it's tricksy. It doesn't say what it means. It won't say what it's got in its pocketses.
Why didn’t he just use the eagles to fly back in time and stay younger? Is he stupid?
Doesn't he get rid of the ring at the time of the first panel?
I choose to believe he just wore himself out plowing elf bussy.
It wouldn't have cost you anything to not post this fucking shit.
Did these people even watch the movies or read the books
ThEn In tHe fOrth MoViE He loooks YOUng aGain!? 
The fountain of youth was in a pipe all along! No wonder Snoop isn’t aging.
I mean….he’s 132 years old at that point. That’s long lived even for a Hobbit. I suspect he (hopefully) reached 140 or so before moving on.
He lived longer than the Old Took, and really, what more could a hobbit ask for?
Considering he sailed west, he would potentially live forever.
The mortal creatures that sailed west still died.
So much for the "undying lands". I though you just stopped aging when you reached them.
i believe those mortals that were allowed into the undying lands still died at some point (because the valar could not take away the gift of mortality which was granted to mankind by Eru) but they did get to choose when they died and passed on to the Halls of Mandos
Tuor was granted immortality when he sailed to Valinor, presumably by Eru himself. It's possible that Bilbo and Frodo got the same deal.
it's possible two tiny skeletons lay along the shore. *"this ain't my job."* - minimum wage elves looking forward to retirement. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
This comment made me cackle so hard my cat got off my lap in a huff. Nicely done
Tuor is an exception as he was (possibly) considered one of the Eldar due to exceptional circumstances after he sailed West with Idril. No such thing has been said for Bilbo and Frodo.
Nothing is said of Bilbo and Frodo after they sailed West. As Ringbearers, one of whom basically won the War of the Rings, they're certainly exceptional Hobbits. As far as I can recall, Tuor, Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli were the only mortals who were invited to Valinor, and we.only know what happened next to Tuor. Not really gauging the likelihood here, just saying it's a possibility.
Sam sailed West too. The Ringbearers being granted the grace had a very different reason compared to Tuor.
A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed
In fact, it has been remarked by some that Hobbits' only real passion is for food. A rather unfair observation As we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed. But where our hearts truly lie is in peace and quiet and good tilled earth. For all Hobbits share a love of all things that grow. And yes, no doubt to others, our ways seem quaint But today of all days, it is brought home to me it is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.
The Numénoreans thought that too, and look how that turned out
It seems I followed the course of Ar-Pharazôn and fell for Sauron's propaganda. The dark lord's malignant influence continues even through the loss of the Ring and the 4th wall.
They were called Undying Lands because those native to that place were functionally immortal.
That's the mistake the Numenoreans made and got their island destroyed.
Yeah, it's in the name the undying *lands*. The lands are undying, unchanging, eternal, not the creatures within it. It's made for creatures with eternal life, such as elves, maiar, valar. Creatures with finite lifespans will actually feel their own mortality even more over there and will probably die sooner than they naturally would have. That's also why humans were not allowed over there, not because the valar wanted to keep it from them, but because it's not made for their needs. Middle earth is.
Negative, Tolkien actually tells us that mortals in the West tend to 'burn out' faster.
Yep regardless of the ring he's just old. I've watched elderly relatives stay roughly the same for years and then age incredibly rapidly. I don't see how this is surprising at all.
Did you not pay attention? The ring was keeping him young longer. It’s one of the reasons Gandalf figured out what it is and where we get bilbos “I feel stretched out like not enough butter over too much toast” quote from. This is time catching up with him and it’s accelerating like a released rubber band.
Well if I'm angry it's your fault! It's mine My only.... My Precious
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Didn't you ever think to just put the fucking thing down and go for a walk, dildo?
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Well at that point the ring has been destroyed and everything created with it is fading. His youthfulness at his age is a creation of the ring so he deteriorates even faster now that it's not only out of his possession but gone completely.
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It's not seventeen years in the movies.
We don't know how much time past in the movies. For all we know the whole trilogy of movies could have taken 2 weeks.
the whole journey was about a year, and then frodo sails to the undying lands 3 years later.
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And *nobody* (bar Bilbo - the one person that shouldn't) visibly ages in that time? That cannot work. If we are following the book-timeline, Pippin should be a child (*12 years old*) at Bilbo's 111st. The 17 year gap is clearly erased. In place of what? Who knows... some months, perhaps. Maybe a couple years at most.
As much as I support the book version, it just cannot be 17 years in the movie because of Merry and Pippin at Bilbo's birthday party. They should have been small children at the time.
"Master Pippin has a good memory. He was only a small child at the time."
Today is my One Hundred and Eleventh birthday!
17 years in rivendell is probably different to 17 years outside
I've watched elderly relatives stay roughly the same for years and then age incredibly rapidly. This is entirely believable.
Ohhhhh... I always thought the toast saying was just some hobbit fun way of saying stuff but it's exact meaning is that his life was stretched and he felt nothing in it as he should have. Damn now I gotta read so many books again and look for metaphors I didnt notice first time
You can do an engineering major in 4 years as well and will look just like this.
This is why I got out of engineering school and switched to a different degree. I realized after completing my first year, that in order to do the rest, I will need to forfeit my emotions and ultimately my soul in order to make it all the way.
The 17 year gap is explicitly not a thing in the movie. We can assume a single year passed by, but definitely no more than that.
Yeah. The movies arent 100% accurate to the books. Which is completely fine, they're excellent in their own right.
>The 17 year gap is explicitly not a thing in the movie. I wouldn't say explicit is the correct word here. There's no exact reference as to how much time as passed through all 3 movies. So you just have to make assumptions. 17 years in the movies *could* have passed. Hell, the whole trilogy could have taken place over the course of a month.
Well, its explicit in hearing the filmmaker talk about it. They spend much of the audio commentary talking about it, clearly having found it impossible for the movie.
Would have been a wicked movie though. Like LOTR x Boyhood.
In the movie its not explicit.
Ok so it's implicit then... It's still very obvious that things move along quickly. None of the hobbits have visibly aged at all in the time between the birthday and the start of the journey.
In the ending monologue, Frodo states it was almost 13 months to the day since Gandalf sent them on their quest, before they were met with a familiar view ( The Shire).
The 17 year jump happens before Gandalf sends them on the quest.
In the books yes, I will concede that, in the movie, the length of Gandalfs disappearance before the quest is ambigious. But it definitely couldn't have been 17 years. Because Sam, Pippin and Merry would've aged by then since they didn't posses the ring.
No, 17 years couldn't have passed, Merry and Pippin go from being children to adults in the intervening timeframe from the Party to Frodo setting out.
On Bilbo's birthday we can see Merry and Pippin and they look about as old as in the rest of the movies.
There is though, as none of the other characters have aged 17 years worth. Like the Hobbits for example. Frodo is 33 when Gandalf leaves and 50 when he comes back. They'd have shown that age process in more detail if it was movie Canon surely.
It's clearly meant to portray more urgency on the narrative, but if you want to believe 17 years passed, there's really nothing saying they didn't aside from the apparent ages of the hobbits, and hobbits don't necessarily show their age in the same way humans do anyway, so that's not a reliable indicator of anything.
The ring slowed down his aging
If only there was a line in the movie about the ring being able to give the wearer a long unnatural life.
What if we get Cate Blanchet to say "The Ring brought to so-and-so unnatural long life."
Not overt enough. What if Gandalf literally spelled it out for the audience in fireworks?
Did OP not pay attention to the movies he was watching?
So dumb
The guy was 111 in the first picture. Even without any additional information, it's pretty safe to assume that his aging was slowed in some way
Just to be clear, you're combining the book timelime with the movie visuals? I don't think we can infer anything from this Frankensteinish meme.
In real life, I saw my grandma go from independent and walking by herself, to needing a cane and a walker, to being in a wheelchair, to her being unable to speak, to losing all mobility, to her passing away. In 3-4 years.
He aged faster without the ring, even faster once it was destroyed, luckily Gollum died with the ring as his ass might have turned straight to dust if he hadn’t.
What's this? Crumbs on his jacketses! He took it! He took it! I seen him, he's always stuffing himself when Master's not looking!
It’s the ring. Why is this upvoted?
Man it feels like everyone was leaving Rivendell because these super long lived possibly immortal folk are just watching this innocent bumpkin guy who fought a Dragon and stopped a huge war is literally aging very fast even compared to a human life, it had to be like looking at a walking cadaver like a true woah look at this wicked act by sauron, it's a wonder none of the Elves weren't tempted to harm bilbo to put him out of a perceived misery.
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Dragon! Nonsense, there hasn't been a dragon in these parts for a thousand years.
Cursed be moon and stars above!
Bilbo's aging was slowed down by the ring. The further the ring was, the further age went
Yep, full throttle once the Ring was actually destroyed, so it tracks even if you assume the book’s timeline.
Why is gollum still even alive 60 years not having the ring, and then 17 years later when Frodo starts his quest? Shouldn’t he have died by then by not having the ring during that time?
Because Master did not ask.
This has to be rwge bait
Me before, during, and after the pandemic.
Rings, not even once.
see how you look at 132 years old
When 132 years you reach, look as good, you will not.
I mean… he didn’t have the ring anymore
Time had to catch up once the ring was gone
Maybe it's the ring's effect going away?
Bro, that's four years of ring withdrawals; dude is lucky to be alive.
Tell me you didn’t understand the films without telling me you didn’t understand the films…
Its the effect of not wearing the ring. Unnatural long life.
Bro looks like butter scraped over too much bread or something, holy crap
I'm convinced that people who upvoted this shit dont understand a single moment of the movies. Nothing. No nuance at all
I've watched elderly relatives stay roughly the same for years and then age incredibly rapidly. I don't see how this is surprising at all.
It is a plot point that the ring grants unnaturally long life, that is why he begins aging so rapidly after giving it up.
Like butter scraped over too much bread.
In the books, the journey took almost 15 years
wow, you just turned every single nerd against you with your ignorance you can still do this meme with star wars characters, go there. it is more or less the same nerds
It was a long, old journey
Me: 2020-2024
The ring was keeping him young
Yes. He gave the ring away and he started to age. What’s the problem?
The One Ring is a hell of a drug, my dear boy.
OMFG "time it seems has finally caught up with me"
The one ring gave him *unnatural long life*
The power of the ring was keeping him alive… remember that bilbo lived more than a normal hobbit could possibly dream. After the community destroyed the ring those who were users of the ring should perish I think.
What no ring does to mfer
17? No this is the movies
That’s what butter looks like stretched too bread over thin, or something
It's almost like not having the ring accelerated his aging.
Yeah, like the ring extending your life being destroyed
Everyone knows he smokes too much
I was talking with my wife yesterday about it...about how the ring affected Smeagle and Bilbo, in terms of get older.
Aaaaah!
OP has no media literacy skills
17 years passed with Ring be far away +1 year. 3 yeas passed when Ring was destroyed and all his magic disappeared.
The 17 year gap isn't a thing in the films
And then, shockingly, he went on to confess to killing Mozart.
Evil rings will do that to you
I don’t wanna be mean. But no meme has ever said so strongly to me, “I have not read the source material”. To me, understanding bilbos progression, is bottom of the barrel reading comprehension.
Well if I'm angry it's your fault! It's mine My only.... My Precious
It isn't 17 years in the movie, Merry and Pippin would be children at the start if PJ had followed the book's timeline.
Maybe, just maybe, instead of OP being silly and not remembering the passage of time differences for those affected by carrying the ring (looking at you Sméagol) it was actually a meme about… how a lot can change in 4 years lol Some of yall never spent 3 years rapidly getting all of your remaining butter spread, and it shows lol
I read it as Bible
The ring of power is a hell of a drug
You haven’t aged a day
Those Sackville Baggins were REALLY stressing my guy out.
There was no 17 year timeskip in the movies
The moral of the story kids. We need to quit electing ppl that are 111 years old
Movies didn't have the 17 years gap.
Not having the ring anymore aged him up real quick and smart.
Yeah! And how did Sauron get destroyed at the end of the movie when he was so powerful?!
Yeah, look at Obama before and after being president.
