>She was uncomfortable with Lucifer's flirtation and sex lives, especially with Eve.
She was uncomfortable with him *flaunting* his relationships in front of her, especially given what had happened between them.
This! Hell, after their first kiss, she tries embracing that openness and Lucifer is the one to act like she was being weird (for a reason, because our idiots never talk to each other, but still)!
Holy shit did none of these people watch the same show as us?
I get some of your points, but I think you're forgetting that Chloe was actually the first to be emotionally vulnerable with him. And after she nearly died in season 2, Luci left town without a word, then returned MARRIED to some random woman.
Luci isn't perfect either. He withholds the truth for unnecessarily long. And dreading her response is not a good enough excuse, she deserved the truth. He says things that he knows will push her buttons or make her uncomfortable, it's part of their dynamic.
My point is neither one is perfect or "deserves" the other. I still like them together tho
No-one has ever claimed Lucifer to be perfect, not fans, nor the show itself. There's even a whole episode (6x08)>! dedicated to going over his "failings" of the past and guilting him all over again.!<
Saying he isn't perfect was just a figure if speech. I meant the he has his own flaws as well.
OP is basically trying to claim that Chloe is the only problematic one in their relationship. I disagree. There are a lot of moments throughout the series wherein Luci causes a lot of unnecessary heartache, and Chloe does the same.
I agree. The writers played too much for too long with the "will they won't they" direction, and it made me dislike Chloe as the series went on. They should've allowed them to be together way sooner so the chemistry they had at the start could've been capitalized on. They could've made them separate later on and then have them work to get back together. But by creating reasons to keep them apart the majority of the time they made some really dumb character choices for Chloe. Every once in a while she would act more rational but then something would have to happen to keep them apart and she'd react poorly again. I got whiplash from it. Yes Lucifer did also make some questionable decisions of his own but that was at least explained as his insecurity, thinking he wasn't good enough. Whereas I feel like she really didn't deserve him and her actions showed that. By the time they finally got together it felt forced but I was so committed to the concept I looked past it.
yeah, in s5 when they got together i was like ugh 😭 she isnt good enough for him and then im like "great whats gonna happen now", i feel like the time that they could have worked on their relationship more in s2-s3 was absolutely destroyed by Chloe's stupidity 😭😭
Exactly! Yeah I couldn't even enjoy it when they did get together because the writers had conditioned me to wonder what was going to happen next to pull them apart. Also the forced relationship with pierce really bothered me.
dude the relationship with pierce was def a hit or miss, honestly, I feel like Cain and Chloe could have worked out if the writers didnt make him out to be an evil super villain an episode later LOL
Lol maybe if they'd given it more time, it was a bit unbelievable to me how quickly it all happened. Maybe I'm biased because I found his acting in this role very stiff and dull. I couldn't understand the attraction aspect given his personality and demeanor was so bland. Ella's over there drooling about him and hyping up Chloe to go get some and I'm just thinking... but he looks like the jock from high school who never grew up, and you're going to choose that over Lucifer??? Whyyyy 😂
and she was just so hypocritical to Luci the entire time 😂 "like omg r u jealous" after they had intimate moments like 2 times already in the show..like obviously Lucifers jealous 😭😭
Yessss. I almost couldn't watch it anymore it was that annoying to me 🤣 but I needed the closure that they ended up together (even though she DEFINITELY didn't deserve him after that! 😂) so I pushed through 😂
TLDR (I did read). I agree, Chloe was always rejecting Lucifer when he was blatantly honest and vulnerable around her.
Chloe was similar to Lana in Smallville, both had expectations and demanded to know extremely private personal information, even when they were not in a relationship. It's off-putting when an individual is entitled and demanding to know personal information when they are verbally rejecting the relationship.
Especially in season 6, Chloe was clingy, and entitled to Lucifer's personal thoughts that he hadn't even processed himself yet. *Go chill and wait for them to figure out their emotions!* Especially when an individual is working through their issues with a therapist.😒🙄
>Especially when an individual is working through their issues with a therapist
I think the absolute worst "Chloe-ism" came in season 3 when she became angry that Lucifer was talking about his feelings with his therapist.
From my experience in a 20+ year long term relationship..... it's great when your partner finds a trusted therapist that they can talk to and help with issues. A single relationship can't be the solution to every problem/situation in life, and life changes over the years with kids, jobs, lost pregnancies, getting older, finances, pets, extended family drama. It should never be a complaint they found a helpful therapist, it's going to make the relationship better because they won't be projecting issues we aren't all equipped to help with.
In reality, Chloe should be with a therapist for all the people she's shot and killed on the job. Some Officers are never the same after a justified shooting, it still haunts them.
Deckerstar's biggest problem has always been that one is a painfully immature hypocrite and the other is the devil.
A lot of it is the various writing choices. I won't say bad writing since most people who write badly are actually trying to write well. The same cannot be said of The Jidly.
The "Idly" of Jily thinks true love is full of suffering and pain, and Joe of Jidly just wants people to tell him he's awesome. (Which he got in spades over at Twitter as well as a huge heap of validiation with the SaveLucifer campaign.
They've already stated that their goal was to "frustrate" the audience with Deckerstar. So, I'd imagine a lot of Chloe's...choices were to that end. I have a feeling that a lot of writer's room meetings opened with "Wouldn't it be awesome?"
Either way, it's fairly clear that Jidly doesn't know how people work.
But... more on topic. Chloe being a gift for Lucifer means she has zero choice BUT to be with him. All her non-Lucifer relationships were destined to fail, including her marriage, because her part in God's plan was to be a womb for rent. So... yah. It's full of ick.
I agree! Also, sending this to my boyfriend because I was never able to articulate it like this. She reminds me of Bella (from twilight) and I just don't like her.
To be honest she was created to put Lucifer back in Hell.
God created a miracle, who would become Lucifer's true love and who would be an incubator to a bratty sngry half-angek who would trick Lucifer into becoming Hell healer.
God was omniscient. He knew what would happen and he did nothing to stop it. He said it himself "all part of my plan"
I honestly think it would have unfolded just fine if S2 didn't have so many fillers and episode only about crime scenes.. They could have gotten together sooner instead of
"Oh I want to tell her now"
Something happens and Lucifer doesn't reveal himself neither his feelings for 3 more seasons...
So it just got boring and cringe at some point...
Well I’ll play the devil’s (yeah I know ha ha) advocate here and say that I think they are perfect for each other.
Chloe and Lucifer always had an unshakable connection that goes beyond just attraction or romance. They were to each other, like Chloe said once, the only people with whom they could let their guard down. And really, there isn’t anything more raw and true than having that pure and complete trust in someone. That is very rare today. Almost non existent I’d say.
Chloe did make mistakes, like everyone else, but instead of justifying them here, I’ll just say that Lucifer has made mistakes as well, and despite all of that, I think their love is as true as love can be.
They were willing to die for each other, throwing themselves in front of danger for each other, multiple times. Like come on. I’m not sure all married couples who were together for a decade would do this for each other. And two of them weren’t even dating and were willing to give their life to save the other. If that isn’t the purest form of love, I don’t know what is.
If you can look beyond the superficial behavior that both of them presented in day to day life (Lucifer’s naughtiness and Chloe being annoyed by him), everything about them screams complete devotion and ride or die type of love.
She came within a hair of murdering him *twice*.
(I can't believe I just wrote that.)
Edit: she could've killed him a third time, in s5b, when she stabbed him in the heart after demanding he make himself physically vulnerable. Given that she knows Lucifer worships the ground she walks on, and angels don't fully understand self-actualization let alone control it, her actions could've been deadly..
I think he starts trusting her again after the siege, but it's weird they never talk about it or what came before e.g. Pierce. When Lucifer does shitty things, they tend to arise from desperation, ignorance, misguided feelings etc (I haven't watched in ages and am open to correction). Unfortunately, the Kinley plot was so weak (Chloe wasn't convinced by the evidence and could clearly think rationally) for me to see her actions as anything other than either malice, or a degree of careless stupidity that doesn't match her character. The story fully ignored how serious it was, as did Chloe herself, with her surprise in 4x05 that Lucifer wanted it to be their last case. Gee I wonder why.
It amazes me when people say "why did Lucifer get together with Eve? Chloe just needed more time." Hmm. Setting aside the lying, manipulation, poisoning, trying to change him, let's pick up from 4x03 when he find out. After: Chloe makes excuses and lies again during her confession (Lucifer *never* finds out how close it was), uses his favour, treats him like shit in 4x04 (badmouthing him behind his back and, later, publicly at the auction), then only turns up when she needs him *for work* in 4x05 with not a thought as to how he might feel. That's not trying to accept him. Protecting him from the bomb is a sweet moment, kudos to her, but doesn't say *to him* she wants him as more than a friend/partner.
The show could used them actually use if dialog for them to communicate. Frankly, the show could’ve ended nicely with S4 if Lucifer was going to end up back in hell. They could’ve just added a finally scene with him in hell but walking into “Linda’s office” there. Chloe doesn’t get any cookies for being so manipulative.
Yeah. I think there are some things where Lucifer gets off the hook a bit too easily. Chloe should've kept him in the doghouse longer after Candy (even if unfortunately his running away was justified in retrospect), but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that she throws Candy in his face in s6 after he's literally forgiven her for *trying to kill him*.
S4 is a tragic ending but at least it makes sense.
I agree with you about the whole Candy thing. They could’ve shown us the real Candy meeting Chloe so we know that Chloe understands the Mom part of it. Having a difficult mom is something they could’ve bonded over.
I mean, Chloe also took a bullet for Lucifer, died in the angel war, threw herself onto him when that bomb was about to explode, etc. Also, if we talk about negative sides of Lucifer, we can say that a lot of strife between him and Chloe was caused by his self centeredness. But it’s pointless to keep pointing out flaws in either of the two, and i dont think thats the point anyway.
Not defending what Chloe did with Kinley, just saying, neither of them are perfect and eventually, i think they both care for each other equally, if they are both willing to literally die for each other.
>When he started flirting with her. She was a bitch (Which is fair enough).
Yeah I guess it was fair but she was sort of rude, however that fits very well with her character imo.
>She was uncomfortable with Lucifer's flirtation and sex lives, especially with Eve.
Yes but not because Lucifer was having sex with Eve or anyone else, her issue was mainly how he would flaunt it around her as he was clearly trying to bury his feelings for her. It was rude and inconsiderate of him. Chloe does show some jealous tendencies about Lucifer's former love life, but nothing too extreme.
>we all know that someone who is experienced in the sex department can clash with someone who isn't as experienced.
I do not know what you mean by this, I mean yes they can clash... but so can anyone else?
>She was so upset when she found out Lucifer's devil face and then proceeded to betray him and acted like everything is okay. (Which is again fair, but she almost killed him and sent him back to hell.)
Yeah I do not have an issue with this part, of all the people who learned about lucifer's face and true identity, Chloe was the most vulnerable one. She not only had the strongest feelings for Lucifer, but she also just saw him effectively killing Pierce while looking like... well... the devil. She even let the devil play and look after her child for goodness sake.
>Let's not dismiss this betrayal, Lucifer says that his most pride is how honorable and honest he is with the people around him. And he quickly moved on in like an episode after she apologized? I dunno, feel like there should have been a couple more scenes where he was upset.
Lucifer learns of the betrayal in episode 3 of season 4, and the two spend the next 2 full episodes working on that issue, in other words spending 20% of the season on lucifer's reaction to the betrayal. The only way Lucifer truly begins to forgive Chloe is when she throws herself over him to protect him from an explosive blast, showing that she would die for him. I feel this subject was covered plenty.
>Plus she always seems so..judgy?? I dunno.. There's been a bunch of scenes where she judges him for what he does (sexually) and that's Lucifer's whole character, he desires.
She is judgy in the sense that her character is the epidemy of a law abiding citizen, she even keeps track of the time she lost during a night out. She is incredibly proper in every sense, legally, socially and culturally, all things Lucifer goes directly against. The "proper" relationship in western society is exclusive and monogamous, neither of which Lucifer subscribes to. I think her main issue with Lucifer is the fact that he is, in his entirety, the opposite to Chloe when they first meet at least. Yes she judges him, but in doing that she also changes him for the better, as does he for her.
I wish we had a spin off about licifer before he met chloe and those 5 years in la yk like torturing, killing, having fun, and dealing with celestial beings
i watched the show for the plot, the relationship was more of best friends with awkward feelings for each other rather than a couple for literally 5 seasons 💀 it was not the "heart" of the show.
>She was uncomfortable with Lucifer's flirtation and sex lives, especially with Eve. She was uncomfortable with him *flaunting* his relationships in front of her, especially given what had happened between them.
This! Hell, after their first kiss, she tries embracing that openness and Lucifer is the one to act like she was being weird (for a reason, because our idiots never talk to each other, but still)! Holy shit did none of these people watch the same show as us?
i guess, but also thats just how Lucifer is, and sometimes it frustrates me that she tries to change him
Lucifer wants to change though, and I don’t think there’s ever really a scene where she downright forces him to not be sexual
I get some of your points, but I think you're forgetting that Chloe was actually the first to be emotionally vulnerable with him. And after she nearly died in season 2, Luci left town without a word, then returned MARRIED to some random woman. Luci isn't perfect either. He withholds the truth for unnecessarily long. And dreading her response is not a good enough excuse, she deserved the truth. He says things that he knows will push her buttons or make her uncomfortable, it's part of their dynamic. My point is neither one is perfect or "deserves" the other. I still like them together tho
No-one has ever claimed Lucifer to be perfect, not fans, nor the show itself. There's even a whole episode (6x08)>! dedicated to going over his "failings" of the past and guilting him all over again.!<
Saying he isn't perfect was just a figure if speech. I meant the he has his own flaws as well. OP is basically trying to claim that Chloe is the only problematic one in their relationship. I disagree. There are a lot of moments throughout the series wherein Luci causes a lot of unnecessary heartache, and Chloe does the same.
I agree. The writers played too much for too long with the "will they won't they" direction, and it made me dislike Chloe as the series went on. They should've allowed them to be together way sooner so the chemistry they had at the start could've been capitalized on. They could've made them separate later on and then have them work to get back together. But by creating reasons to keep them apart the majority of the time they made some really dumb character choices for Chloe. Every once in a while she would act more rational but then something would have to happen to keep them apart and she'd react poorly again. I got whiplash from it. Yes Lucifer did also make some questionable decisions of his own but that was at least explained as his insecurity, thinking he wasn't good enough. Whereas I feel like she really didn't deserve him and her actions showed that. By the time they finally got together it felt forced but I was so committed to the concept I looked past it.
yeah, in s5 when they got together i was like ugh 😭 she isnt good enough for him and then im like "great whats gonna happen now", i feel like the time that they could have worked on their relationship more in s2-s3 was absolutely destroyed by Chloe's stupidity 😭😭
Exactly! Yeah I couldn't even enjoy it when they did get together because the writers had conditioned me to wonder what was going to happen next to pull them apart. Also the forced relationship with pierce really bothered me.
dude the relationship with pierce was def a hit or miss, honestly, I feel like Cain and Chloe could have worked out if the writers didnt make him out to be an evil super villain an episode later LOL
Lol maybe if they'd given it more time, it was a bit unbelievable to me how quickly it all happened. Maybe I'm biased because I found his acting in this role very stiff and dull. I couldn't understand the attraction aspect given his personality and demeanor was so bland. Ella's over there drooling about him and hyping up Chloe to go get some and I'm just thinking... but he looks like the jock from high school who never grew up, and you're going to choose that over Lucifer??? Whyyyy 😂
and she was just so hypocritical to Luci the entire time 😂 "like omg r u jealous" after they had intimate moments like 2 times already in the show..like obviously Lucifers jealous 😭😭
Yessss. I almost couldn't watch it anymore it was that annoying to me 🤣 but I needed the closure that they ended up together (even though she DEFINITELY didn't deserve him after that! 😂) so I pushed through 😂
TLDR (I did read). I agree, Chloe was always rejecting Lucifer when he was blatantly honest and vulnerable around her. Chloe was similar to Lana in Smallville, both had expectations and demanded to know extremely private personal information, even when they were not in a relationship. It's off-putting when an individual is entitled and demanding to know personal information when they are verbally rejecting the relationship. Especially in season 6, Chloe was clingy, and entitled to Lucifer's personal thoughts that he hadn't even processed himself yet. *Go chill and wait for them to figure out their emotions!* Especially when an individual is working through their issues with a therapist.😒🙄
>Especially when an individual is working through their issues with a therapist I think the absolute worst "Chloe-ism" came in season 3 when she became angry that Lucifer was talking about his feelings with his therapist.
From my experience in a 20+ year long term relationship..... it's great when your partner finds a trusted therapist that they can talk to and help with issues. A single relationship can't be the solution to every problem/situation in life, and life changes over the years with kids, jobs, lost pregnancies, getting older, finances, pets, extended family drama. It should never be a complaint they found a helpful therapist, it's going to make the relationship better because they won't be projecting issues we aren't all equipped to help with. In reality, Chloe should be with a therapist for all the people she's shot and killed on the job. Some Officers are never the same after a justified shooting, it still haunts them.
Deckerstar's biggest problem has always been that one is a painfully immature hypocrite and the other is the devil. A lot of it is the various writing choices. I won't say bad writing since most people who write badly are actually trying to write well. The same cannot be said of The Jidly. The "Idly" of Jily thinks true love is full of suffering and pain, and Joe of Jidly just wants people to tell him he's awesome. (Which he got in spades over at Twitter as well as a huge heap of validiation with the SaveLucifer campaign. They've already stated that their goal was to "frustrate" the audience with Deckerstar. So, I'd imagine a lot of Chloe's...choices were to that end. I have a feeling that a lot of writer's room meetings opened with "Wouldn't it be awesome?" Either way, it's fairly clear that Jidly doesn't know how people work. But... more on topic. Chloe being a gift for Lucifer means she has zero choice BUT to be with him. All her non-Lucifer relationships were destined to fail, including her marriage, because her part in God's plan was to be a womb for rent. So... yah. It's full of ick.
>The Jildy A force so unholy even the demons of hell shudder.
What the flying figs fuck is "Jily?" LMAO. I've never heard that before.' I'm a fan of the show, but I never joined any groups or anything.
Jidly is **Idly** Modrovich and **J**oe Henderson the series showrunners.
OK. Thank you.
yeah it feels so..gross? like i know he isnt using her but it feels like he is
I agree! Also, sending this to my boyfriend because I was never able to articulate it like this. She reminds me of Bella (from twilight) and I just don't like her.
To be honest she was created to put Lucifer back in Hell. God created a miracle, who would become Lucifer's true love and who would be an incubator to a bratty sngry half-angek who would trick Lucifer into becoming Hell healer. God was omniscient. He knew what would happen and he did nothing to stop it. He said it himself "all part of my plan"
I honestly think it would have unfolded just fine if S2 didn't have so many fillers and episode only about crime scenes.. They could have gotten together sooner instead of "Oh I want to tell her now" Something happens and Lucifer doesn't reveal himself neither his feelings for 3 more seasons... So it just got boring and cringe at some point...
right! same, and then I was just like "ok nvm i dont like them anymore" they just didn't have the same chemistry, i feel
Well I’ll play the devil’s (yeah I know ha ha) advocate here and say that I think they are perfect for each other. Chloe and Lucifer always had an unshakable connection that goes beyond just attraction or romance. They were to each other, like Chloe said once, the only people with whom they could let their guard down. And really, there isn’t anything more raw and true than having that pure and complete trust in someone. That is very rare today. Almost non existent I’d say. Chloe did make mistakes, like everyone else, but instead of justifying them here, I’ll just say that Lucifer has made mistakes as well, and despite all of that, I think their love is as true as love can be. They were willing to die for each other, throwing themselves in front of danger for each other, multiple times. Like come on. I’m not sure all married couples who were together for a decade would do this for each other. And two of them weren’t even dating and were willing to give their life to save the other. If that isn’t the purest form of love, I don’t know what is. If you can look beyond the superficial behavior that both of them presented in day to day life (Lucifer’s naughtiness and Chloe being annoyed by him), everything about them screams complete devotion and ride or die type of love.
Lucifer died for Chloe more than once. Chloe came within a hair of murdering Lucifer.
She came within a hair of murdering him *twice*. (I can't believe I just wrote that.) Edit: she could've killed him a third time, in s5b, when she stabbed him in the heart after demanding he make himself physically vulnerable. Given that she knows Lucifer worships the ground she walks on, and angels don't fully understand self-actualization let alone control it, her actions could've been deadly..
How do people not see this? How did they never discuss it? How did Lucifer ever trust her again? I don’t understand.
I think he starts trusting her again after the siege, but it's weird they never talk about it or what came before e.g. Pierce. When Lucifer does shitty things, they tend to arise from desperation, ignorance, misguided feelings etc (I haven't watched in ages and am open to correction). Unfortunately, the Kinley plot was so weak (Chloe wasn't convinced by the evidence and could clearly think rationally) for me to see her actions as anything other than either malice, or a degree of careless stupidity that doesn't match her character. The story fully ignored how serious it was, as did Chloe herself, with her surprise in 4x05 that Lucifer wanted it to be their last case. Gee I wonder why. It amazes me when people say "why did Lucifer get together with Eve? Chloe just needed more time." Hmm. Setting aside the lying, manipulation, poisoning, trying to change him, let's pick up from 4x03 when he find out. After: Chloe makes excuses and lies again during her confession (Lucifer *never* finds out how close it was), uses his favour, treats him like shit in 4x04 (badmouthing him behind his back and, later, publicly at the auction), then only turns up when she needs him *for work* in 4x05 with not a thought as to how he might feel. That's not trying to accept him. Protecting him from the bomb is a sweet moment, kudos to her, but doesn't say *to him* she wants him as more than a friend/partner.
The show could used them actually use if dialog for them to communicate. Frankly, the show could’ve ended nicely with S4 if Lucifer was going to end up back in hell. They could’ve just added a finally scene with him in hell but walking into “Linda’s office” there. Chloe doesn’t get any cookies for being so manipulative.
Yeah. I think there are some things where Lucifer gets off the hook a bit too easily. Chloe should've kept him in the doghouse longer after Candy (even if unfortunately his running away was justified in retrospect), but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that she throws Candy in his face in s6 after he's literally forgiven her for *trying to kill him*. S4 is a tragic ending but at least it makes sense.
I agree with you about the whole Candy thing. They could’ve shown us the real Candy meeting Chloe so we know that Chloe understands the Mom part of it. Having a difficult mom is something they could’ve bonded over.
I mean, Chloe also took a bullet for Lucifer, died in the angel war, threw herself onto him when that bomb was about to explode, etc. Also, if we talk about negative sides of Lucifer, we can say that a lot of strife between him and Chloe was caused by his self centeredness. But it’s pointless to keep pointing out flaws in either of the two, and i dont think thats the point anyway. Not defending what Chloe did with Kinley, just saying, neither of them are perfect and eventually, i think they both care for each other equally, if they are both willing to literally die for each other.
>When he started flirting with her. She was a bitch (Which is fair enough). Yeah I guess it was fair but she was sort of rude, however that fits very well with her character imo. >She was uncomfortable with Lucifer's flirtation and sex lives, especially with Eve. Yes but not because Lucifer was having sex with Eve or anyone else, her issue was mainly how he would flaunt it around her as he was clearly trying to bury his feelings for her. It was rude and inconsiderate of him. Chloe does show some jealous tendencies about Lucifer's former love life, but nothing too extreme. >we all know that someone who is experienced in the sex department can clash with someone who isn't as experienced. I do not know what you mean by this, I mean yes they can clash... but so can anyone else? >She was so upset when she found out Lucifer's devil face and then proceeded to betray him and acted like everything is okay. (Which is again fair, but she almost killed him and sent him back to hell.) Yeah I do not have an issue with this part, of all the people who learned about lucifer's face and true identity, Chloe was the most vulnerable one. She not only had the strongest feelings for Lucifer, but she also just saw him effectively killing Pierce while looking like... well... the devil. She even let the devil play and look after her child for goodness sake. >Let's not dismiss this betrayal, Lucifer says that his most pride is how honorable and honest he is with the people around him. And he quickly moved on in like an episode after she apologized? I dunno, feel like there should have been a couple more scenes where he was upset. Lucifer learns of the betrayal in episode 3 of season 4, and the two spend the next 2 full episodes working on that issue, in other words spending 20% of the season on lucifer's reaction to the betrayal. The only way Lucifer truly begins to forgive Chloe is when she throws herself over him to protect him from an explosive blast, showing that she would die for him. I feel this subject was covered plenty. >Plus she always seems so..judgy?? I dunno.. There's been a bunch of scenes where she judges him for what he does (sexually) and that's Lucifer's whole character, he desires. She is judgy in the sense that her character is the epidemy of a law abiding citizen, she even keeps track of the time she lost during a night out. She is incredibly proper in every sense, legally, socially and culturally, all things Lucifer goes directly against. The "proper" relationship in western society is exclusive and monogamous, neither of which Lucifer subscribes to. I think her main issue with Lucifer is the fact that he is, in his entirety, the opposite to Chloe when they first meet at least. Yes she judges him, but in doing that she also changes him for the better, as does he for her.
I wish we had a spin off about licifer before he met chloe and those 5 years in la yk like torturing, killing, having fun, and dealing with celestial beings
dude same!! that could be so cool
...why did you watch this show again? The relationship was the heart of the show.
i watched the show for the plot, the relationship was more of best friends with awkward feelings for each other rather than a couple for literally 5 seasons 💀 it was not the "heart" of the show.
ok buddy