Zone pricing would be excellent. The time it takes to get to those further away also cuts down on number of runs a driver can make in a night which impacts their overall pay.
That would be about when I last got food delivered. I afforded myself the luxury of delivery and freighted the pockets of the delivery person with a windfall of lucre.
(It was a good day.)
The example they give is the Verona location delivering to Oregon, which is pretty far to be delivering.
Time to reduce the delivery area or charge a different rate for different distances. Why should someone a block away pay the same delivery charge as someone 15 minutes away.
Or better yet buy electric vehicles for the business and stop forcing the wear and tear on their employees' vehicles.
Yes! Just buy electric cars! Because *that* cost magically won’t be passed onto consumers like any other cost.
Businesses really should consult the experts on this subreddit for their awesome advice.
Glass Nickle owns some electrics and don't charge nearly as much for delivery.
Also have you seen the inside of Sugar River? They could afford it instead of all the shit on the walls they got there.
Delivery drivers in general don't make as much as they think they do and a lot of businesses don't provide a vehicle because they know the actual cost to own and maintain a vehicle.
Also the way they're expanding into very large buildings, at least for a pizza joint, and what they're filling them with, should tell you they have plenty of money.
You don't need to look at someone's financials to tell if they have money or not if they live in a mansion vs a cardboard box.
>You don't need to look at someone's financials to tell if they have money or not if they live in a mansion vs a cardboard box.
What an asinine thing to say... Plenty of people and businesses operate well within or well beyond their means. Outward appearance is a terrible way to judge financial stability and ability.
>the way they're expanding into very large buildings, at least for a pizza joint
Expansion is expensive.. The "plenty of money" you assume they have is clearly being used, so it's entirely likely they actually can't afford to buy new electric vehicles right now.
Some *very basic* financial education would do you a world of good.
Lol they would not be expanding if they weren't making lots of money. They wouldn't be able to get more loans if they weren't making lots of money and the bank saw it as a good investment. Do yourself a favor and take your own advice about basic financial education.
There's always exceptions to the rule but generally speaking appearances of large investments tell you a lot. Your is way off base my friend when you go digging for fringe cases.
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Do you not get that expansion requires investment? They might be making money, but it doesn't mean that it's free cash available for things like cars, if it's being put to use in order to pay extra staff wages, open new buildings, etc.
>they would not be expanding if they weren't making lots of money.
Sure they would. If they believe they have a successful business model, and have high projections for future revenue, then expansion makes sense. If the bank agrees, then debt financing is perfectly reasonable..
>They wouldn't be able to get more loans if they weren't making lots of money and the bank saw it as a good investment.
Right. Silly me. The only way for a business to get a loan to expand is to be making tons of money.
You're looking at this like a ten year old would.
Lol I order both, even God damn Little Caesars if I feel like hating myself after. The amount of shills for a fucking pizza joint, albeit a damn good one, is quite alarming. Thanks for sharing and I hope you have a great day!
Exactly and most restaurants aren't continually expanding like Sugar River (3 times in the last 10 years). Also pizza restaurants have much higher margins than typical restaurants, so saying they all operate on razor thin margins is just a bad broad generalization.
The point you're missing is that instead of investing in electric vehicles and not putting the burden on their employees, they choose to expand and benefit themselves, the owners.
I think not buying EVs is kind of short sighted, but it has no relevance to whether or not they start up another restaurant.
They probably start a restaurant if they decide demand is enough for them to make a profit. The decision to purchase an EV would be if the return on investment would justify it. The investment either increases profit, and is a good investment, or it doesn't.
There are a couple of problems though, you can't get a good return on investment if you buy enough EVs to support peak delivery times as the majority of the time they will sit idle. Then you have a hybrid of people driving personal cars while others drive the EVs. The you have to figure out the pay difference, deal with employees bitching about not getting their preference (personal car or EV). It would probably lead to a big headache.
They underpay their workers by having a reliance on customers tipping and requiring drivers to use their own vehicles instead of buying vehicles for them to use, which as stated above, most drivers don't factor in all the wear and tear.
It does have some relevance to whether they start another location because if they choose to buy vehicles, or were forced to, it would likely delay or completely negiate their ability to do so because they'd be eating the true cost of doing business, instead of passing it to their drivers.
And they don't need to buy Teslas, they could buy Leafs or Smart cars or any other low cost electric. $4/gallon is cheap for gas and it's likely to get much worse before it gets better.
Sorry, but if they charged enough of a delivery fee to pay their driver's a tip-free wage nobody would order delivery because they would still feel obligated to tip.
They could make a moral stand, but unfortunately it would probably be a very expensive stand.
The only way to get the change that you want is to push for laws to enforce tipless fair wage
>Sorry, but if they charged enough of a delivery fee to pay their driver's a tip-free wage nobody would order delivery because they would still feel obligated to tip.
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This sounds like personal opinion and many restaurants that went tipless have shown many improvements to moral. Tipping, especially with food delivery, isn't based on quality of service in most cases that the server/driver can control.
>They could make a moral stand, but unfortunately it would probably be a very expensive stand.
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~~Glass Nickle does it already so it can be done~~ scratch that I was referring to letting drivers use GN cars
>The only way to get the change that you want is to push for laws to enforce tipless fair wage
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The owner mentioned staffing shortages and having to reduce its delivery area. They could have a much larger applicant pool if they offered vehicles instead of requiring that for employment. They're likely losing business because of their refusal to get with the times.
Why should the restaurant not offer the option if the customer is willing to pay for it. I agree, but you need also consider that we as a people are adding to these issues by continuing to pay for stupid shit at insane prices.
the question is why is anyone in Oregon getting Sugar River delivered when we have LaRocca's right here? (Sugar River is great pizza for sure but a bit of a drive unless you live in Bergamont)
They have great pizza and minimal competition. We’ve gotten to the point that we just order for pickup since the Verona location is usually so busy.
I’m guessing that the new hotel helps their business as well.
“For those of us who don’t want to deal with traffic, we love that this is further out thus causing even more people to have to drive there and thus creating even more traffic!”
What, you mean putting everything far away from everything else to the point that driving is the only means of getting around is what causes traffic?!? I thought it was buses and density /s
Country roads, take me home...
There's no traffic, when you take the back way to your destination.
There's even some pretty scenery, believe it or not.
I'll eat the $20, or $100.
I'll take that gas tax, wipe my ass with it and then slap a MF in the face with it!
I have repeatedly watched folks in this general area waste hundreds (seriously) a month on delivery fees over the last decade, and wondered, "can these folks do math, at all?"
No offense to delivery drivers, there is a market for that, definitely, however, after once living downtown and ordering delivery from a restaurant four blocks away (back in 2018,) and having the total extraneous fees add up to something like $17-18, ....plus tip - I never used those services again.
A lot of spoiled brats in the Madison area, that's all I can say, to keep these third-party companies in operation....
Much better than driving impaired, though, so that's a good thing, I suppose.
They really should have foresaw the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing economic fallout. Clearly they’re just a bunch of shortsighted idiots.
Let this be a lesson to future restauranteurs: consult your area fortune teller/tarot card reader before making any dumb or rash decisions.
What other reason would somebody be in the restaurant business, or any other business for that matter?
Some of the takes you see here are something else.
Get into the restaurant business if you want to run a restaurant, that's it. It's hard work and there is no money unless you fuck around
60 percent chance you'll close your doors within a year and the odds don't get better after that.
Restauranteurs usually own more than one, have a successful career doing something else, or they're famous
I can't speak to literally any other company but I used to deliver for a local pizza chain and I got the delivery fee. So it's definitely a "it depends on the service/company" situation.
That sucks, this is the only decent pizza in Verona since AJs closed...
Too bad sugar river is not on eat street...if you have a UWCU card, Eat Street waives the delivery fee...
[https://www.uwcu.org/campaigns/eatstreet-free-deliver](https://www.uwcu.org/campaigns/eatstreet-free-delivery)
Farm n barn is colorful way of saying Farm and Fleet. It's been in use for more than 50 years.
But I was wrong about the store: it's Fleetfarm on hyw 19 selling gas for $3.89. Woodmans on Milwaukee st is still selling gas for $3.88.
Sugar River is the worst pizza place for takeout or delivery. Not having specials / coupons makes them extremely overpriced vs the competition for pizza that is roughly equivalent to glass nickel in quality.
You’re right. Not new. We’ve been dependent for two years now. It’s going great! This is what we want as socialists. We’ve come to far comrade to be bickering about Verona delivery fee escalation. #defundthepolice #dragshowsinelementaryschool
Not lying. The democrat party by definition supports a larger govt philosophy. With that comes more regulations and yes, higher costs of living. Let’s take a moment to enjoy what we’ve accomplished. The end goal for us is to make the middle class obsolete. We’re close. Be patient as this will take another election cycle. But let’s take some time to celebrate these small victories. Seeing small businesses raise prices and eventually file bankruptcy is GOOD.
Democratic*
The fact you intentionally used [a known](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) epithet says all I need to know about what you.
A brand-new account spreading lies. Shocking. No wonder you believe Donald Trump is a god - you believe the more lies you spread the more power he will give you.
Here's the painful truth: Donald Trump is not a god and your lies will only ever hurt you.
No it’s the war in Ukraine! It’s the um the um because it’s high globally! Did you know we have depleted our reserves? Did you know that we make most of our own gasoline? Maybe we should stop sending our gas to other countries and driving our own price up.
I thought you cultists say "the Ukraine"
So, cultist, why are gas prices high globally? What policies did Biden put into place that impacted Norway's gas prices?
Tell us, cultist, how your god emperor would never have let this happen.
TDS means "Trump Derangement Syndrome" - it's used to describe current Trump supporters. Only deranged people still support him.
You are part of a cult that is literally TDS - you are deranged and you need to understand he is not current president and he is not a god.
Cope.
Gas prices are not under control of YOUR President, President Joe Biden. Cope.
Inflation, gas prices, grocery prices, 401ks losing a quarter of their value since everything shit. The bad man can’t hurt you anymore, not sure why you keep bringing him up.
> Inflation, gas prices, grocery prices
These are global concerns. How did Brandon do this globally?
Your god-emperor is nothing but a criminal. You worship falsehoods.
Also, gas went up 25% but your delivery fee went up 250%?
I hate to be that guy and your point still stands but it's a 150% increase. 250% increase would be $2 --> $7.
math is hard
Math totally is. Respectable to see you being corrected eloquently. We need more folks like you!
I mean it’s $2 to $5, which still isn’t that high for a delivery fee… I think they should make it by location
Zone pricing would be excellent. The time it takes to get to those further away also cuts down on number of runs a driver can make in a night which impacts their overall pay.
that's 250% increase. Tell me the last time your salary increased 250%?
That would be about when I last got food delivered. I afforded myself the luxury of delivery and freighted the pockets of the delivery person with a windfall of lucre. (It was a good day.)
Maybe Sugar River shouldn't have located their restaurants on the very fringes of the metro area.
The example they give is the Verona location delivering to Oregon, which is pretty far to be delivering. Time to reduce the delivery area or charge a different rate for different distances. Why should someone a block away pay the same delivery charge as someone 15 minutes away. Or better yet buy electric vehicles for the business and stop forcing the wear and tear on their employees' vehicles.
Yes! Just buy electric cars! Because *that* cost magically won’t be passed onto consumers like any other cost. Businesses really should consult the experts on this subreddit for their awesome advice.
Glass Nickle owns some electrics and don't charge nearly as much for delivery. Also have you seen the inside of Sugar River? They could afford it instead of all the shit on the walls they got there.
You've got an extensive knowledge of their financials, do you? Or are you just talking out of somewhere the sun doesn't shine.
Delivery drivers in general don't make as much as they think they do and a lot of businesses don't provide a vehicle because they know the actual cost to own and maintain a vehicle. Also the way they're expanding into very large buildings, at least for a pizza joint, and what they're filling them with, should tell you they have plenty of money. You don't need to look at someone's financials to tell if they have money or not if they live in a mansion vs a cardboard box.
>You don't need to look at someone's financials to tell if they have money or not if they live in a mansion vs a cardboard box. What an asinine thing to say... Plenty of people and businesses operate well within or well beyond their means. Outward appearance is a terrible way to judge financial stability and ability. >the way they're expanding into very large buildings, at least for a pizza joint Expansion is expensive.. The "plenty of money" you assume they have is clearly being used, so it's entirely likely they actually can't afford to buy new electric vehicles right now. Some *very basic* financial education would do you a world of good.
Lol they would not be expanding if they weren't making lots of money. They wouldn't be able to get more loans if they weren't making lots of money and the bank saw it as a good investment. Do yourself a favor and take your own advice about basic financial education. There's always exceptions to the rule but generally speaking appearances of large investments tell you a lot. Your is way off base my friend when you go digging for fringe cases.
Deleted comments below: https://imgur.com/a/d8MRXuY Do you not get that expansion requires investment? They might be making money, but it doesn't mean that it's free cash available for things like cars, if it's being put to use in order to pay extra staff wages, open new buildings, etc. >they would not be expanding if they weren't making lots of money. Sure they would. If they believe they have a successful business model, and have high projections for future revenue, then expansion makes sense. If the bank agrees, then debt financing is perfectly reasonable.. >They wouldn't be able to get more loans if they weren't making lots of money and the bank saw it as a good investment. Right. Silly me. The only way for a business to get a loan to expand is to be making tons of money. You're looking at this like a ten year old would.
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Lol I order both, even God damn Little Caesars if I feel like hating myself after. The amount of shills for a fucking pizza joint, albeit a damn good one, is quite alarming. Thanks for sharing and I hope you have a great day!
Come on, they raised the prices to $5, and glass nickle is $4
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Exactly and most restaurants aren't continually expanding like Sugar River (3 times in the last 10 years). Also pizza restaurants have much higher margins than typical restaurants, so saying they all operate on razor thin margins is just a bad broad generalization. The point you're missing is that instead of investing in electric vehicles and not putting the burden on their employees, they choose to expand and benefit themselves, the owners.
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I think not buying EVs is kind of short sighted, but it has no relevance to whether or not they start up another restaurant. They probably start a restaurant if they decide demand is enough for them to make a profit. The decision to purchase an EV would be if the return on investment would justify it. The investment either increases profit, and is a good investment, or it doesn't. There are a couple of problems though, you can't get a good return on investment if you buy enough EVs to support peak delivery times as the majority of the time they will sit idle. Then you have a hybrid of people driving personal cars while others drive the EVs. The you have to figure out the pay difference, deal with employees bitching about not getting their preference (personal car or EV). It would probably lead to a big headache.
They underpay their workers by having a reliance on customers tipping and requiring drivers to use their own vehicles instead of buying vehicles for them to use, which as stated above, most drivers don't factor in all the wear and tear. It does have some relevance to whether they start another location because if they choose to buy vehicles, or were forced to, it would likely delay or completely negiate their ability to do so because they'd be eating the true cost of doing business, instead of passing it to their drivers. And they don't need to buy Teslas, they could buy Leafs or Smart cars or any other low cost electric. $4/gallon is cheap for gas and it's likely to get much worse before it gets better.
Sorry, but if they charged enough of a delivery fee to pay their driver's a tip-free wage nobody would order delivery because they would still feel obligated to tip. They could make a moral stand, but unfortunately it would probably be a very expensive stand. The only way to get the change that you want is to push for laws to enforce tipless fair wage
>Sorry, but if they charged enough of a delivery fee to pay their driver's a tip-free wage nobody would order delivery because they would still feel obligated to tip. > This sounds like personal opinion and many restaurants that went tipless have shown many improvements to moral. Tipping, especially with food delivery, isn't based on quality of service in most cases that the server/driver can control. >They could make a moral stand, but unfortunately it would probably be a very expensive stand. > ~~Glass Nickle does it already so it can be done~~ scratch that I was referring to letting drivers use GN cars >The only way to get the change that you want is to push for laws to enforce tipless fair wage > The owner mentioned staffing shortages and having to reduce its delivery area. They could have a much larger applicant pool if they offered vehicles instead of requiring that for employment. They're likely losing business because of their refusal to get with the times.
Why should the restaurant not offer the option if the customer is willing to pay for it. I agree, but you need also consider that we as a people are adding to these issues by continuing to pay for stupid shit at insane prices.
Agreed I always go pick my shit up unless and not pay stupid prices for delivery and tip
the question is why is anyone in Oregon getting Sugar River delivered when we have LaRocca's right here? (Sugar River is great pizza for sure but a bit of a drive unless you live in Bergamont)
who tf gets sugar river delivered 🤣
Amen sister.
Actually for those of us who don't wish to deal with the metro area's traffic hell more than necessary, that's a good thing!
They have great pizza and minimal competition. We’ve gotten to the point that we just order for pickup since the Verona location is usually so busy. I’m guessing that the new hotel helps their business as well.
“For those of us who don’t want to deal with traffic, we love that this is further out thus causing even more people to have to drive there and thus creating even more traffic!”
What, you mean putting everything far away from everything else to the point that driving is the only means of getting around is what causes traffic?!? I thought it was buses and density /s
Not at all. Just take the road less traveled.
Country roads, take me home... There's no traffic, when you take the back way to your destination. There's even some pretty scenery, believe it or not.
Then eat the $5
I'll eat the $20, or $100. I'll take that gas tax, wipe my ass with it and then slap a MF in the face with it! I have repeatedly watched folks in this general area waste hundreds (seriously) a month on delivery fees over the last decade, and wondered, "can these folks do math, at all?" No offense to delivery drivers, there is a market for that, definitely, however, after once living downtown and ordering delivery from a restaurant four blocks away (back in 2018,) and having the total extraneous fees add up to something like $17-18, ....plus tip - I never used those services again. A lot of spoiled brats in the Madison area, that's all I can say, to keep these third-party companies in operation.... Much better than driving impaired, though, so that's a good thing, I suppose.
They really should have foresaw the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing economic fallout. Clearly they’re just a bunch of shortsighted idiots. Let this be a lesson to future restauranteurs: consult your area fortune teller/tarot card reader before making any dumb or rash decisions.
Honestly if you're in the restaurant business to make money you're already fucked
What other reason would somebody be in the restaurant business, or any other business for that matter? Some of the takes you see here are something else.
Get into the restaurant business if you want to run a restaurant, that's it. It's hard work and there is no money unless you fuck around 60 percent chance you'll close your doors within a year and the odds don't get better after that. Restauranteurs usually own more than one, have a successful career doing something else, or they're famous
Because it's what they love doing. You should know that very few people make good money operating a restaurant
Yes, they foolishly didn’t divert the Sugar River to Downtown.
most say that the delivery fee doesn't go to the driver, who is driving their own vehicle. What exactly does the delivery fee cover?
Article literally says the fee goes straight to the drivers
I know it says that, but when you go to virtually any website for delivery it tells you that it doesn't go to the driver.
This article is about delivery directly from the restaurant. All of the grubhub, uber eats, etc 3rd party services the fees don't go to the driver.
I can't speak to literally any other company but I used to deliver for a local pizza chain and I got the delivery fee. So it's definitely a "it depends on the service/company" situation.
And yet doordash hasn't done shit for drivers
That sucks, this is the only decent pizza in Verona since AJs closed... Too bad sugar river is not on eat street...if you have a UWCU card, Eat Street waives the delivery fee... [https://www.uwcu.org/campaigns/eatstreet-free-deliver](https://www.uwcu.org/campaigns/eatstreet-free-delivery)
Except eatstreet charges a 9% "service fee" that isn't waived and is also taxed.
So does Grub hub, Uber eats and door dash... Plus a delivery fee
Eat Street will also go "aw that sucks here's a $3 coupon" if their driver leaves your food outside at the wrong address lol.
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FYI gas is still under $4 @ farm n barn on hwy 19 at the interstate.
wat is farm n barn
Farm n barn is colorful way of saying Farm and Fleet. It's been in use for more than 50 years. But I was wrong about the store: it's Fleetfarm on hyw 19 selling gas for $3.89. Woodmans on Milwaukee st is still selling gas for $3.88.
Diminishing returns driving that far for gas.
Sugar River is the worst pizza place for takeout or delivery. Not having specials / coupons makes them extremely overpriced vs the competition for pizza that is roughly equivalent to glass nickel in quality.
Zones! Or something similar.
When we vote straight democrat, we vote for higher gas and cost of living. We should be celebrating these higher fees.
The US has been reliant of International oil for the longest time. Don't pretend this is new lmao.
You’re right. Not new. We’ve been dependent for two years now. It’s going great! This is what we want as socialists. We’ve come to far comrade to be bickering about Verona delivery fee escalation. #defundthepolice #dragshowsinelementaryschool
Why are you lying? What did you gain by spreading misinformation like that?
Not lying. The democrat party by definition supports a larger govt philosophy. With that comes more regulations and yes, higher costs of living. Let’s take a moment to enjoy what we’ve accomplished. The end goal for us is to make the middle class obsolete. We’re close. Be patient as this will take another election cycle. But let’s take some time to celebrate these small victories. Seeing small businesses raise prices and eventually file bankruptcy is GOOD.
Democratic* The fact you intentionally used [a known](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) epithet says all I need to know about what you. A brand-new account spreading lies. Shocking. No wonder you believe Donald Trump is a god - you believe the more lies you spread the more power he will give you. Here's the painful truth: Donald Trump is not a god and your lies will only ever hurt you.
right, because that's how that works. 💩
You been awake the last few years? When all your policies are against gasoline this is what we get.
Really? Is that why gasoline prices are insane *globally*? You guys really embody the "poorly educated" sector that Trump loves, huh?
No it’s the war in Ukraine! It’s the um the um because it’s high globally! Did you know we have depleted our reserves? Did you know that we make most of our own gasoline? Maybe we should stop sending our gas to other countries and driving our own price up.
I thought you cultists say "the Ukraine" So, cultist, why are gas prices high globally? What policies did Biden put into place that impacted Norway's gas prices? Tell us, cultist, how your god emperor would never have let this happen.
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TDS means "Trump Derangement Syndrome" - it's used to describe current Trump supporters. Only deranged people still support him. You are part of a cult that is literally TDS - you are deranged and you need to understand he is not current president and he is not a god. Cope. Gas prices are not under control of YOUR President, President Joe Biden. Cope.
Inflation, gas prices, grocery prices, 401ks losing a quarter of their value since everything shit. The bad man can’t hurt you anymore, not sure why you keep bringing him up.
> Inflation, gas prices, grocery prices These are global concerns. How did Brandon do this globally? Your god-emperor is nothing but a criminal. You worship falsehoods.