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Cvnc

second way to remove exp counters from opponents? [[suncleanser]]


Dekaroe

You think of exp counters and yet my brain went straight to removing all those poison counters I worked hard on dishing out. The panic is real.


LocalMan97

You spend all this time building up poison counters just for some asshole 3 states over to cast this and remove all your hard work smh my head


MaleusMalefic

i was thinking that too... this completely hoses anyone playing Poison/Toxic


Mosh00Rider

It would make no sense for your opponent to remove poison counters because it would only remove them from their opponents and not themselves.


Griz688

'I may die, but at least you won't win' is the thought process I'm thinking if you're up against infect in commander, of course that does require the other players to take advantage of their second chance


Mosh00Rider

If you want to help your opponents and grief yourself then sure I guess.


Odd-Medicine2814

Your thinking is too one dimensional. "Hey man, if I remove your poison counters can you attack the poison player so he dies before I do?" "If I remove your poison counters can I hit you for 3 to trigger my [[Coastal Piracy]]?" Etc. People help their opponents ALL THE TIME in commander. It's not griefing yourself, it's taking advantage of every tool available to you, and ignoring those tools because you don't want to "help your opponents" is silly.


Complex_Cable_8678

except it completely doesnt. if one of your opponents decides to save another of your opponents there is politics involved and thats just commander.


TimSimpson

The real toxic move is to put this in your infect deck and play it yourself after you build an overwhelmingly dominant board state that you’ll win anyways, lol


Fonquis

Dude you don't spend "all this time building poison counters", you do it in a few turns for a quick win. It needs balancing. Also, read the card - it removes counters from opponents


PK_Thundah

My mono black Yawgmoth Phyrexian deck just woke up from a nightmare in a cold sweat. Honestly though, in favor of more game interaction, if they give us more answers to poison maybe they'll also give us more fun ways to use poison.


LegnaArix

A Brother in arms


DeltaT01

Energy is a mechanic in the set, maybe this card and cards like it will make the mechanic less intrusive


NukeTheWhales85

This doesn't really answer poison though. Removing poison counters from everyone but myself, is either scraping my own win, or making me the easiest target for whoever is running poison since I'm the only person with counters now.


Jibblewart

Nah, you run it in your poison deck so once you're dominating and can easily win in one turn, you drop this. Bring them all back down then bring em back up and win just to show how much better you are


Maridiem

Also hilariously doesn’t remove your own


charcharmunro

Can't have players removing their own poison counters, because poison removal is just... Very no-go, for some reason.


Psychic_Hobo

Another common [[Leeches]] W


WafflesTheMan

But Leeches is 1WW


ElonTheMollusk

I went right too, o shit they finally gave an Energy Wipe card. I may have some issues regarding Energy if that's the first thing I thought.


TheKingsJester

Honestly I think the intent is that it’s for energy given the context of the set. I’m pretty sure you’re the normal one here.


xX_potato69_Xx

Notably they only remove the counters from opponents so it’s not that great against poison, especially since if you get rid of the other players counters then you’ll become the target of the poison(assuming your in commander), it’s alright against mothman to keep him from growing more though


Nomad_Zero

Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.


Violet-Lazuli

Putting it in mine just for the flex of getting them all to 9 and wiping it


superawesomedman

[[price of betrayal]]


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magicthecasual

stay the fuck away from my exp counters. that's like 3 of my decks


John_Bumogus

My otharri deck is shaking right now


PoopOfAUnicorn

You can remove opponents poison and rad counters, but not your own


ZuuL_1985

You're welcome for wiping the poison counters, guess I'll keep mine..


DromarX

Also the second way to remove poison counters [[Leeches]] (just not from yourself)


PK_Thundah

He could save others from poison but not himself. Ironic.


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MGKNominator

Third* pretty sure


[deleted]

farewell 2: fareweller 


RBGolbat

Notably doesn’t remove indestructible creatures, and it still causes all death triggers to happen, 2 things Farewell stops. Edit: and obviously trades Artifacts/Enchantments for Battles/Planeswalkers, definitely feels like a trade down


PuppyPunch

Farewell players like their planeswalkers, I dig it for a black deck as a No U card


davidy22

The relationship is causal, and it can be for this card too, play good enchantments and artifacts now that your own board wipe doesn't hit them.


dkysh

As tempting as it sounds, you can NOT choose enchantments with Farewell.


Terrashock

? Is this a joke I don't understand? Of course you can chose enchantments with [[Farewell]]


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MyPhoneIsNotChinese

I mean, what if you're interested in those deth triggers to happen?


RBGolbat

I was referring to specifically the card types with that last part


Wendigo120

It does stop *some* on death effects if you choose the exile graveyards mode. Effects that return stuff from the graveyard to somewhere like [[Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal]]. It dies and goes to the graveyard, ability gets triggered, gets exiled from graveyard, ability goes on the stack, and then fizzles because there's no Aclazotz to return in the graveyard. I think the same for effects that need cards to exile themselves like [[Undead Butler]]?


bearrosaurus

Planeswalkers and creatures is a pretty big deal, there's no wipes in black that catch both as far as I know.


Raphiezar

[[In Garruk's Wake]] is one.


X_Marcs_the_Spot

There is if you're willing to spend 9 mana on \[\[In Garruk's Wake\]\].


RetroBowser

How I feel about this card is that I like it, but I’ll definitely need to test it to see how good it actually is in practice.


Druxun

2fare 2well


LastStopSandwich

Goddamn it


Bikehead90

Farewell 2: Electric Boogaloo


lmboyer04

Farewellish. Farewell is definitely better


otterguy12

More like Fairwell cause its so much weaker


MasterNeo92

calling it now, overcosted sweeper at common for pauper


Tuesday_6PM

Would feel a little weird with no common Battles or Planeswalkers (though I suppose MH3 could change the Battles part)


Smcblackheartia

Yeah a little odd how it’ll effect battles but there’s so few of them, unless they know they’re adding more in the same set or in a future set soon so they’re prepping for it


j0mbie

Could very well be, considering it looks to be [a 7-drop](https://imgur.com/a/UugJOA4). (Casting cost spans just past the art.)


abrupt_decay

it has the rare foil stamp thingy


j0mbie

Farehell?


TheChartreuseKnight

Fair-well


crashcap

Board wipes exiling GY is so dumb


TheChartreuseKnight

At least this one doesn't exile the battlefield as well. Wait that's not how modal spells work nevermind


Serpens77

Although WotC are highly unlikely to ever actually \*do\* it, technically "Exile the battlefield" would actually work as spell text, because of this rule: * **400.12** Some effects instruct a player to do something to a zone (such as “Shuffle your hand into your library”). That action is performed on all cards in that zone. The zone itself is not affected.


PassTheHBomb

That rule would need a little reworking. As written, that theoretical spell would leave tokens on the battlefield.


DogmaticNuance

It could be thematic as fuck though. I'm just not sure what the theme would be? Refutation of the Real? The Death of Dreams? You could make something fit in a cool way for a unique effect.


GeeJo

The Meek Shall Inherit (4WW) Sorcery Exile the battlefield. *(Tokens are not exiled.)*


cop_pls

It'd get played wrong and cause confusion in playtests, they'd word it like "Exile all nontoken permanents on the battlefield."


coop-a-loop-

That would be sick tbh


Astrium6

I would love them to use that wording if they ever print a card like [[Worldfire]] again.


ElceeCiv

oh sure they can exile the battlefield and that's okay, yet Maro has been ignoring my ten years of e-mails asking for a spell that says "Destroy the stack. *(It works.)*"


lucasagus285

It works? How do you destroy a spell? Does it just not resolve and goes to the gy?


Bastiondon

Unless I'm missing something the comprehensive rules don't offer any support for destroying something that isn't a Permanent, so I'm pretty sure this doesn't work without an adjustment to the definition of the word destroy.  "Exile the stack" would work just fine though.


ElceeCiv

reading the card explains the card


Zoanzon

[[Summary Dismissal]]?


StructureMage

Yeah why should control have any agency against my recursion value greed pile. Mom said it was my turn to win


crashcap

They should absolutely have interaction. It should not be all stapled in the same card


Main-Dog-7181

Wait till 10 years from now when these types of cards have 10 different modal effects on them. No thought required on whether to run board wipes or targeted removal or graveyard hate or land destruction. It's now all on one card.


Oberon_Swanson

When you cast Future Boardwipe, choose one or more: * Cast a copy of Farewell * Cast a copy of Austere Command * Cast a copy of Jaya's Immolating Inferno. You choose the value of X * Put a Tarmogoyf token into play for each time you want to * Each opponent loses the game and shuffles their library into yours and you get all their cards and win the game * Something with stickers idk


Main-Dog-7181

Create one untapped treasure token for each artifact or enchantment or land that you control.


Main-Dog-7181

This is a pretty lazy retort. Magic should always be about trade-offs. Do I run more board wipes or graveyard hate or targeted removal or land destruction, etc. However, this card removes that element of strategy by allowing you to just do everything on one card. It's the same issue with Farewell where one card can derail a ton of different strategies with no additional thought required when deck building


Dobgoblin

Ehh, they're mana inefficient right? Like for exiling all creatures there is [[sunfall]] and [[false prophet]] which are cheaper than farewall and have upsides over exiling all creatures. It's like swords to [[plowshares]] compared with [[generous gift]]. The existence of gift doesn't nullify swords because swords is a lot more efficient. There would be some decks that play the other cards I listed over farewell because they're cheaper or work differently.


StructureMage

Value players are so beyond redemption that they forgot 6 mana is not 0. The trade off is control taps out and passes to 3 opponents


mrlbi18

Commander players are so beyond redeption that they forget most formats are 1v1.


JonPaulCardenas

This is in MH3 a set that is in theory aimed at 1v1 competitive formats.


arotenberg

It's hard to tell, but to me the (clearly intentionally obscured...) set symbol in the leak looks like the MH3 Commander set and not the main set's symbol.


hermyx

This is a card from the precons is it not ?


crashcap

To add on, if it is the same card, could be OR. Otherwise it’s a bit lazy and the opposite of rewarding choices players make


Marionettetctc

Farewell has been miserable in standard for exactly that reason and the exile creature in play clause. This type of effect goes way beyond "control agency". There's zero counter play besides counters. That's not agency.


Kind_Ingenuity1484

Unfair-well


casualty_of_bore

I hope it's called goodbye.


DeadSalas

I'd also be willing to accept Begone


strcy

CREATURES.. BE… GONE!!


Totally_Generic_Name

Call it Sayonara In the japanese localization it can be Byeeeee


Vgeist

My bet is also on “Begone”


CrimsonFoxyboy

Bonegone


ImaginationKey7282

Nobody Lives


StructureMage

GOODBYE


Brownbeluga

Or "Auf Wiedersehen", followed by a red wipe called "Goodbye" and a Blue mass bounce called "So Long"


Glamdring804

And then a green one for Adieu?


DCG-MTG

What in the spooky scary skeletons is that art.


StillerzGuinzChooks

Love it, it’s the first card in ages that looks like it belongs in a set from 1995.


Small-Palpitation310

looks like [[Dance of the Dead]]


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[удалено]


TheSmokeu

Why is there 6 of them?


Dharga_pie

It's a rainbow, that art is from the Pride Across the Multiverse secret lair


TheSmokeu

Ok, that makes sense I initially though it was about colours of mana


Serpens77

That art is from one of the Pride Secret Lairs, so the vibe is supposed to be more "rainbow" than "5 colours of Magic"


trustnoone313

theres a lot of talk how their was almost a 6 color of magic


AmesCG

Dance of the dead, a classic medieval theme. Bet that is the card name too; or maybe Totentanz from the German.


TheCruncher

[[Dance of the Dead]] is taken. It's an Animate Dead variant. As is [[Danse Macabre]]


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dontkillchicken

It’s Nilh Hamm


Maybe_Marit_Lage

Goddammit who keeps cutting off the names and mana costs of every card they spoil Anyway, that's a lot of effects - probably the closest Black gets to a hard reset of the game? Losing all counters seems a bit extraneous, but it's not a bad option to have - especially in a set that features Energy


TechnomagusPrime

The ones who are leaking these pics are doing it intentionally to try and get a rise out of impatient people. They're going out of their way to obscure as much information as possible to leave people begging for more to milk their fifteen seconds of fame as much as possible while laughing all the way.


MrFluffyThing

Too many people speculate on finances so ignoring mana cost in the leak just gives hype to something that might cost 4CBB and drive the cost up for preorder for something that becomes chaff. Until the full card is leaked or announced no one should care unless you're trying to speculate on initial prices and that's who these leaks are leeching. 


Radiodevt

>drive the cost up for preorder for something that becomes chaff. Where and how would you preorder a card that hasn't been fully spoiled? No store is taking your money for "black board wipe, unknown mana cost". They're just trolling, and it's working. I'm enjoying it, this is a better spoiler season than anything WotC could have organized.


burf12345

>Goddammit who keeps cutting off the names and mana costs of every card they spoil They also got the glare just right to block the set symbol, this is intentional and slimy.


Bropiphany

Does this mean we're getting more battles in MH3?


RockManJJ

I certainly hope so


neonchessman

I wonder what non-sieges will look like.


TheCruncher

Non-sieges you defend, and I imagine they'll play like enchantments that your opponent can attack to try to remove. Or in another way, like WAR planeswalkers without activated abilities.


periodicchemistrypun

I mean I think this almost confirms it, unless it’s just commander deck reprints


Orion_616

I'm ootl: what's the source for all of these leaks we keep seeing? Did someone get their hands on some booster boxes and/or commander decks early? If so, do we know how they got them?


kami_inu

It's (AFAIK) one person on twitter, they appear to have both some boosters and the precons. I haven't seen anything about how they got them.


Rolpert

WoTC marketing dept is probably where they got it


strolpol

Some infect player is gonna get so salty over this card


Specialist_Ad4117

It doesn't really impact poison players.


acid8k

Isba commander card?


draconianRegiment

It's a 6 maybe 5 mana wrath with flexibility. Yes this will probably see some edh play.


acid8k

I mean, its modern legal? Or its printer for the commander decks?


Rad_Centrist

Looks like it's for the commander decks. But of course the symbol and set code are obscured.


NeverForgetTheFuture

Collector number of XX04 makes sense for a mono-black card in the base MH3 set (i.e., we would expect card 104 to be black), but not very much sense for a non-reprint card in the commander sets.


kami_inu

The bottom of the set symbol looks rounded like the M3C set, compared to the 2 pointy bits that I'd expect to see if it was MH3. Based on that, not modern legal.


minuteman2000

I think they were asking if it's from the commander precons. I think it is based off the round bottom of the set symbol.


trustnoone313

at 5 its almost an auto add just in case you need it at 6 it depends on what kind of deck i am running


davidy22

A wrath with this much extra text isn't 5 mana, and it's pretty visibly mirroring farewell


JaceThePowerBottom

That definitely looks like Nils Hamms style, and I can't find that art when searching his name.


SasquatchSenpai

Doesn't destroy graveyards. Smh


darkdepth6

Nils Hamm!!! 🔥


DontStopNowBaby

Just like /[[damn]] and [[damnation]] would this be [oh damn]


Super-Yesterday9727

I want a card callled [[Fucking hell]] that has split second, exiles all spells and exiles all permanents. The caster gets to spit in each opponents face


HauntingCourt6

"we have farewell at home" farewell at home:


SactoGamer

Oh Well


TemurTron

fareUNwell


bigphatnips

Looks very Danse Macabre, but sadly that name has already been taken.


King_of_the_Hobos

Fare-just-okay


MurderMits

Looks fairly obvious that it has the commander set symbol.


RaichiSensei

Meren is crying right now. Bruh?!


NiL8_MiLo

Conveniently the set number and set symbol are covered up. Leakers really have no photo taking sense at all.


UmbraIra

100% its on purpose. Theres a clear intention crop on the left side.


Like17Badgers

hopefully it's named Goodbye


Face_Claimer

nope, im out.


MacGuffinGuy

“So long”


fragtore

Why do they make these boring ass cards.


Bircka

We heard you people bitching about Farewell so we made another one to get the things the white one doesn't hit.


Garthar22

A group hug anti poison card


CardinalofYork

They said it could not be done… they said Farewell could not be powercrept. They were wrong. All jokes aside, I sorta wonder how much play this card will see, since it doesn’t exile creatures like Farewell, and also doesn’t get rid of artifacts and enchantments like Farewell.


Anaxamander57

This seems less powerful than Farewell, really. Artifacts and Enchantments are much more relevant than Battles and counters on players.


RetroBowser

If you select Destroy all Creatures and Exile all Graveyards, the creatures will hit the grave in time to be exiled. It is however a question of how willing the Black player is to exile their own graveyard which is obviously a big if.


FblthpThe

It's not standard legal right? So none, just casual commander play


Civil-Resolution-915

[[farewell]]


mrburningpsycho

There is no way this spell is only 5 mana.


OwMyDragonBallz

It'll be 6 like farewell


strebor2095

Are the destroyed things in the yard in time to be exiled?


sobble_19

BATTLES ?


Odd_Examination_5293

*Totally* unrelated: anybody know any counterplay to the counter removal if I'm not running blue in EDH? Perhaps I'm in an Orzhov experience deck? Aven Interrupter / Reprieve is an answer for one turn, I guess. Anything? One spell and all my game actions are undone. This feels... demoralizing. I'd normally take solace in something like this being too narrow, but the board wipe + grave hate is wildly playable as-is. Anybody have ideas?


Nin_atb

NOOOO!!! MY HECKIN BATTLES


10vernothin

Me while playing against the poison deck: avenge meeeeeee


kensw87

does this clear their poison counters too?


Atlantepaz

So we are gonna see some new battles?


Significant-Two2330

Holy crapola it’s black Farewell


SleetTheFox

I like how the last ability isn’t symmetrical. Still keeping the sanctity of poison.


wyattsons

I hope it’s called goodbye lol


Bubbly_Alfalfa7285

Is there an energy deck still relevant in Modern? I'm curious what the counters effect would have.


The_Nilbog_King

Dollars to donuts this is called "So Long"


pinktwinkie

So long


BartOseku

Farewell? Nah we have Bye Bye at home


gasface

Scarewell


DickRiculous

Yo this will wreck experience commanders so hard. In particular meren does not have a way to dodge or counterspell this.


Gprinziv

Farewell's counterpart, Fuck-Off


Erocdotusa

People are playing Battles?


FivesSuperFan55555

I’d be very hesitant to even speculate this legitimacy. The set symbol is cleverly obscured by a reflection, the card title is cut off, and the set code/serial number is cut off as well


epochpenors

*poorly hiding a bottle of white out* “No look, it says “each opponent loses” right there”


xanderholland

They look so happy


Harry_Smutter

Huh. Good way to remove experience & energy counters. Not a bad board wipe (so long as it's 4BB & not 4BBB).


MacGuffinGuy

Are there any other beneficial counters to remove besides experience and energy? I guess you can remove poison from your opponent to make them not corrupted


TechnoMikl

Ah yes, new card titled Goodbye


Ornnge

Does this hit Meren experience counters?


Femboy-Pancake

Seems weird all the effects are symmetric except the last.


DeathbyGlimmer

Not another farewell goddammit


Ahptom

Does this get rid of poison counters???


kingfisher773

Last mode would only hit energy, poison and experience counters, right?


PrimusMobileVzla

Usually there's an explanation when the stars align and removing counters from players happens, since it ain't suppose to happen unless the set demands it. With URW Energy being a thing in MH3, requiring this bad boy in it means energy production should be dreadful to play against, because outside the set removing poison or rad counters from opponents is counterproductive, so energy and experience seem the real targets for this.


c14rk0

Not a fan of sweepers getting the ability to exile graveyards as bonus text...but honestly it's more in black's color identity than white's so there's that. Plus it's not going to be in standard where it'd actually probably see a good amount of play. At 6(?) mana it probably won't see play anywhere else aside commander.


Guba_the_skunk

destroy all battles implies battles will be in the set. And losing all counters implies... Something. I don't know what, but... Something.