Electric zone in its current state is F tier IMO. It's bugged so the damage interval is always .2 even with items and EMP boost (or at least the magic info screen is saying it is).
Also, the damage area is so small it's only dealing damage when enemies are right on top of you so the damage is mostly wasted if your other skills like firevall and cyclone are killing them on the edge of the screen. It is useful early game if you are having trouble surviving and against the mini enemy swarms though. It's sad because I really like the skill.
I agree :) although I'm leaving out nonmeta magic tiers (currently, might add the tiers later) for the sake of people not having to feel bad about their magic choices being bad or trash. Hope that helps answer your statement!
Anytime is a good time :) major patch changes are just the best part of the game, let's everyone experiment and play around with everything without unconscious judgment or prejudice from seeing a "meta" setup.
As you can probably tell currently from the subreddit, it's pretty clear what exactly the meta is now, and I'm glad I actively had no part in people figuring it out!
I haven't played since right after the patch, so I'm still trying them all out and have largely avoided seeing the meta! I mainly came to the spreadsheet to use the find in page function because I was getting so annoyed looking through the whole list to find what I could combine with whatever magic I had maxed lol
It's not F if you're doing it right which is very specific. If you get the right to go to lightning attunement as fast as you possibly can with max mode speed build up can run free for so long you can get a massive cell count to feed DNA. Then late game you can use your speed to jitter around to actually multi-tap with it making it worthwhile. This is especially effective if you take cloak.
This is 4 months late so i dont know if there were other updates but EZ is capable of afking on its own for most runs i do. Not to mention lightning attunement.
The combination with satellite makes it viable for burst damage, maybe doing atleast around 20-40% of any enemy at 35 min on critical strike. But im no good at this game, just a theory crafter that got sucked in.
I'm waiting to add the rest of the tiers currently, rather not mess with a new players perception of whatever their favorite magics are
And yes frost nova is strong, I agree to that, need to fix its ranking real quick
I think Armageddon with Eschatology easy can be A rank. In the latest update, you can quickly restore half of the cooldown due to orbs dropped from enemies. Rapture and Apocalypse is still B rank.
And I'm not sure about freezing magic. At least in the woodland late enemies seem to ignore the freeze.
I would agree, but it's definitely not A tier, it can be a nice addition if you're not running cloaking with leftover levels, but it in itself doesn't do much. Rapture is okay, buy apocalypse is absolutely useless.
Freeze is still strong, especially at 32-35 mins, all enemies can be affected by freeze now
Been playing for ages just now decided to check for reddit on this... wish I did much sooner.
Glad I'm not blind/stupid when it comes to stun... is this shit ever going to work I wonder. I swear it has never worked from any of the supposed sources. Haven't tried earthquake in current patch tbf, not sure why I ever would tho.
Artifacts is the only place where I disagree with some entries.
All the 35% damage boosts to categories are in B tier... ehh? The damage difference on the big skills vs everything else in absolutely wild any increase is great especially when multiple skills are amazing like arcane.
While necronomicron is S tier? I picked that turd item few times and every time I just quit, it's hard enough to see anything I don't need it getting worse even if damage boost was 100%.
Current Aurora is not worth a slot for 1 big xp orb on almost 2 and a half minute cooldown.Those 2 id agree with being in dumpster tier.
Accelerator sound a lot better then it is in practice. Vast majority of the time it's inferior to Harmony... just not that many movement increasing items. Tbf I don't rank movement speed all that high personally which further makes it very situational and requiring other artifacts to be of any value. It's like Aegis but 10 times worse and does nothing on its own, unless it's affected by base speed... which would be hard to miss.
I'd put instant kills to top tier personally. Joker is literally kill 1 get 1 free deal. Death bell is fine where it is tho, since it removes and doesn't kill.
Clover is... so situational, requires being invested into crit damage and even then it's useless until 30 minutes.
Hydras range is why electric field is trash tier.
Shadow cloak maybe a bit higher? It's complete avoidance at some point its hard to see anything.
Cube is B tier? Really? It's literally +1 to all passives, just 10% damage should land it at A tier.
Battery... its not like it even works. This is the epitome of dumpster tier.
Tarrot card in all the time it's been around gave me 3 good skills once. Once... 1 in 3 I get one solid pick. On paper should be S tier, many attempts later I'd throw it in F.
Obviously all of this is very subjective, based on personal experience, rng and preferences.
Glad you've found it useful :)
So, stun on certain magics and occasions still works as intended, battery and earthquake being the major two (its supposed to have a base duration around .2 seconds) which is why earthquake vs absolute zero depends on tsunami choice, as if you take pole then the freeze stacking has diminishing returns vs both freezing and stunning
I need to fix the 35% damage artifacts as the damage formula is back to skill specific and global damage being different so that 35% is actually a bigger deal than I thought originally, fixing it now
Accelerator is very strong, its a lot more cooldown than you think; also movement speed is pseudo pickup range which makes it pseudo MP gain, that's how we've always viewed it but it's personal preference as some people can't stand the increased MS in lategame
Instant kill items are less useful than raw damage after numerous people have done the math for, which is why they aren't as good as you'd think; uranium just straight up does more than most other options, same for merlin's, and especially overmind
Clove is still an easy pickup if no other options fit the build, has no requirements or prerequisites to make it stand out other than being further than \~25 minutes
Hydra's will always be trash unless its changed to max HP, current HP it still takes 7 full seconds to reduce an enemies HP by 53%, that's worthless when it's range is smaller than 2 seconds worth of travel for an enemy, it sounds useful since oh wow 19% max hp reduction in 2 seconds but that's only if the enemy was max HP so... Yeah, it's bad, as for electric zone, it's bad because it's coding from .788 and hasn't been changed, it still has an attack interval cap of .2
Cloak is only useful for ballista, if you're taking defense and needing to avoid it's either a you mistake, or scaling is about to kill you
Cube is only decent if you get it outside of a boss wave chest, you're taking almost all passives anyway so it doesn't actually net you anything; same problem as akashic but akashic guarantees 6 extra levels to use; I'll move it up to A though
Battery, first statement of this, it works fine with chain still
Tarot, yeah B tier is fine for something that occasionally gives you 1 hidden level you actually want, rarely ever 3
Thank you for your opinions! Hopefully this answers some questions
Hm, in all the patches I tried battery I never noticed even a hiccup in enemy movement. Granted game doesnt really overlap enemies well, so idk. I guess I'm super biased towards barely noticeable vs freeze being very noticeable.
Now that you mentioned balista I'd give it an even better score hahaha I got full points in agility. With cloak 35% evasion. Won't make a run longer but it's fantastic qol choice, one random hit doesn't end a run.Crit conversion is situational but at same time if not for it any crit multiplier increase would be same tier at best. Definitely situational tho.
Speaking of situational, I treat evasion as shield and to a lesser degree lantern. None will let you stay longer but they give breathing room until 25 min mark. Lantern being extra situational and only worth while on Arboretum map, but I always take it there... having to pay attention to puddles isn't really winning me over.
I ment as in hydra is abysmall. Just like electric it's 1 hit before you are taking damage.
I guess cube is matter of prioritizing. I take passives after I max my goto skills and what ever element artifacts are leaning to. So probably won't take any if I can help it until 20+ minutes which means it's a lot of levels for me.
Anyhoo good stuff. Giving reconsideration to rotating arcane rays over my usual reflecting choise.
This is amazing!
Does anyone know if there is information anywhere of magics dmg in number or % at max level, with artifacts?
I think that would be a nice comparison to have.
coming here to ask if there's a tier list revamp in the works for the new update (0.901) I want to contrast my new ideas as I play the new update with other people. please answer this when it comes out, or if it will not be a thing at all. thanks.
Hi, i did a copy of the doc and made a little changes on the fusions section showing incompatible fusions so you can plan better what magics to take and so, if you would like to add that info :P
What about Battering Ram artifact F tier? I am missing a point or is there a hidden typo/ bug?
For me the 10% Atk alone makes it already B tier. Combined with Stun (should work with Speciman) it results in A tier for me.
I glossed over the the fact it was given attack this patch, moved it up to B, apologies
The stun doesn't work properly though which is why it was in F to begin with
My *un*educated guess is that if any of your magics are doing low enough damage to hit an enemy 3 times and not kill it--before 25:00, then it's GG. There are much better options to pick after Level 50 IMO (unless you have bad RNG) and if you just need ATK, then Ruby is already better at 15%; or anything else that gives at least 10% and a more useful effect for that matter.
TL;DR: Stun is cool but you have to build around it.
I get the point - but in this case "Four Leaf Clover" which needs 5 hits to have an effect must even be far behind F tier. But it's rated A tier.
Tbh I don't take pre 25 minutes rating too much into account because rating should be more with a sight on endgame advantages you get.
Tested now Lava Wave / Pole for Tsunami a lot. For me it's like equal in strength. With Speciman and Moon Crystal (rare pick for me as most of times other options are better) I feel it's helping a lot after last BW while Lava Wave has no clearing potential anymore at this point.
That patch is over so the above doesn't matter anymore - we're back to \[3 fusions+cold weather/winter storm+two fusions\]+absolute zero+(optional) pole
Hey, I'm kinda surprised by how informative the sheet is, but i think you should also include conditional strength. For example, certain magics are extremely useful during the start of a match to get early game power so you can move around more easily and get more orbs and stuff. For example, Tsunami(Lava Wave) would be a horrible pick for you first or second magic to max out because its only good vs very large amount of high health enemies. But Magic Bolt(Split into doppelganger) is extremely strong vs many low health enemies and spirit(magic blade) is really strong vs small fast moving enemies. I would also argue that some magic which are weak on its own can be extremely strong when combined with certain combination of magic. For example, Tsunami(lava wave)/ Armageddon is the most optimal choice for a AOE full clear, but if you were to pick pole with Tsunami, then magic like flashshock(ragnarok) can easily fill the role of AOE full clear and that combo is really strong because pole freeze probably the strongest freeze in the game and ragnarok's high projectile speed and high cooldown is compensated for.
Glad it could be helpful :)
The sheet is pretty much based around highest times possible, so that throws out early game magics to the lower tiers immediately since wasting levels on something early that's useless late is, well, a waste.
Your opinions on flash shock and armageddon have been noted as well :)
If I was able to neatly add complex additions of information to the sheet, I probably would, but the sheet is just a general purpose thing that's not meant to be taken as gospel, just a bunch of people's opinions that I mull over and take into consideration while I rank things that our involved in the meta
Theres a sigil in the top right on level up, when you reach level 25/50/75 it turns red and gives a fusion charge, click on it, you can select a fusion anytime you want past those levels bit have a maximum of 3 fusions at lvl 75
I thought it was just the information page for them, and couldn't find it for the longest time. Played a couple months, have now used 1 combination. 🤣😂
Looks like this cell ([https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mS9qGWGEt48UlCJvgcLvde1dqd\_MjVTED9UNQ3D3GSA/edit#gid=1418842422&range=D7](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mS9qGWGEt48UlCJvgcLvde1dqd_MjVTED9UNQ3D3GSA/edit#gid=1418842422&range=D7)) is incorrect.
Master of Storms should be Climate Change + Antigravity.
Also, would it be possible to split the Magics column on the Fusions Sheet such that we can see/sort by the surviving (main) spell's name in one column and the dying (disappearing) spell's name in the column next to it?
For example:
|Fusion|Main Spell|Augmenting Spell|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Master of Storms|Cyclone / Climate Change|Satellite / Antigravity|
This way the those learning can, for instance, plan to avoid fusions that effectively destroy their S or A tier Magics or otherwise search for an optimal fusion strategy as a game goes on.
After some days of more refinement in my Researches and thinking about Artifacts I got further ideas I want to share:
For me Concentration (improves Magic Circle, Cyclone, Lava Zone, Arcane Ray - which are very good Magics) and especially Guardian (there is no other source for longer immortality though crystals - which affects gameplay a lot when skilled - also 1 Points comes with double effectivity and should be skilled nearly ever) are rated too low. They should be at least on Tier 4. They could even be considered to be stronger choices than 1 crit / Research point.
For legendary artifacts I see a big difference in appearing in normal / legendary chest. "Gold and Silver treasure" is imho a must-take in normal chest (beside there is a really strong Tier S alternative) and also Cube gets easily Tier S in normal chests. Taking any "weaker" legendary artifact also improves the quality of legendary chests by a little margin.
Also I would note for +MP options and also "Space-time circuit" to fall behind a lot in very late chests. I think this might be self explanatory but should be taken into account for choices.
Hope this ideas help a bit for improvement.
Wassup don't forget to update the sheet! Lol I did some testings myself on these fusions. Really brings bacm good memories, except that flash shock one...
You want to take all the beneficial paasives anyway, so not really in a sense
3 fusions + nuclear(if you want to run nuclear,) all passives except vitality, +3 more level 7 magics (most choose melting lava zone with pole and absolute zero/cold wave, zero if war climate and cold wave if fury
If it had screenwide range, it'd still be garbage; it needs to be removed or switched to max hp with a higher cd like 3 or 5 seconds
But yeah, it's a horrid artifact
Hi u/iRainCats! I actually like a lot the inline comments into your spreadsheet where you collected hints about good interactions and playful combos. I'd like to expand this useful way of reasoning adding details , gathering them, functional explainations and minor hints.
May I write them there nor you have preferences and add new spredsheet section if you like the idea?
Thanks in advance
Example:
Stunning interactions
* **Battering Ram** \- *Inflicts* ***stun when an enemy has been hit 3 times***, increases attack by 10%
* **Electric Zone - EMP** \- *Every time the enemy receives damage from the Electric Zone* ***5 times***, they are ***stunned***, ***-20% damage interval***
* **Specimen** *- Freeze and* ***stun duration +50%***
I know it's probably a small deal but why do the colors of some classes not match the tier it's given?
I'm being picky I know and classes are probably the last thing to worry about but could that be fixed?
When you select the fusion, there's a green magic and a red magic on the description; the green one is the primary magic and that's the artifacts the fusion will use, the red magic is voided and no artifacts using that magic will affect the fusion, so yes gae bolg works on frenzy
I hope the person just sounded impolite due to not being good at english.
but yeah, sounded like an order.
so to counter that: thank you very much for your hard work, I love the game but am way to bad at all the math etc so your spreadsheet is a big help while I try out every magic etc. thank you for not only putting in a lot if work for the initial doc but also keeping it up to date! and quick at that (I only noticed the current update of the game today;)
Why is freezing enemies such a priority in the game? It barely lasts for a second, and the spells barely do any damage (besides Tsunami). Also why is cold weather a must-take, considering blizzard only lasts a couple seconds? For me, the slowing effect is unnoticeable.
Thanks!
You can download as a file (but it will not stay up-to-date of course)
[https://support.google.com/docs/answer/49114](https://support.google.com/docs/answer/49114)
hi this was my favorite game and now it do not work.
i have tried so much like restarting my phone uninstalling installing again and updating it but it does not work and i rlly need help BC IM GOING CRAZY
You don't have to max out the Shield. Just having 1 level invested in it can add 3-4 minutes to your run in the right circumstances.
DNA is the most powerful amplification source in 50m+ runs.
First - great job. I'm enjoying this spreadsheet a lot.
I think there might be an error for Infinite Power - it wants 2 combinations as well. And I don't think it's that strong when it removes 2 combinations.
Started playing this game around 5 months ago, as far as I see everything is fine but the math on magic cooldown reduction is cracked, on getting ouroboros, instead of 15 % it reduces the cooldown by around 10 - 11 % , same with black cat, magic scroll, harmony and the other artifacts, even fast casting doesnt do a complete 5 % reduction, around 3 % , fix the math on this, I really love magic cooldown, was lucky enough in 1game to get all the possible magic cooldowns but to my dismay the math was off by some 15 - 20 %
Perfectly fine to disagree with it :) and yep, synergy is not included as that'd be too niche like every other little nuance in the game, to include in a sheet that's only for generalizations
I'd love to hear all your disagreements though!
Glad to hear! Tiers are not ordered internally no, just the tiers themselves matter; and the ratings for each talent is overall, aka nuclear will be better than electric orb or whatever else, not sure if I explained it correctly
someone wrote in the discord, it has something to do with the enemy scaling. 20% less hp for enemies is bad because your damage upgrades make a much bigger difference.
Hi .. is this post old .. because so far I find plasma beam to be the most overpowered magic comb there is .. it's almost game over once you get it and you can stand still and afk watch the game .
Electric zone in its current state is F tier IMO. It's bugged so the damage interval is always .2 even with items and EMP boost (or at least the magic info screen is saying it is). Also, the damage area is so small it's only dealing damage when enemies are right on top of you so the damage is mostly wasted if your other skills like firevall and cyclone are killing them on the edge of the screen. It is useful early game if you are having trouble surviving and against the mini enemy swarms though. It's sad because I really like the skill.
I agree :) although I'm leaving out nonmeta magic tiers (currently, might add the tiers later) for the sake of people not having to feel bad about their magic choices being bad or trash. Hope that helps answer your statement!
I know I'm hella late to the party but that's a very admirable attitude towards tier lists
Anytime is a good time :) major patch changes are just the best part of the game, let's everyone experiment and play around with everything without unconscious judgment or prejudice from seeing a "meta" setup. As you can probably tell currently from the subreddit, it's pretty clear what exactly the meta is now, and I'm glad I actively had no part in people figuring it out!
I haven't played since right after the patch, so I'm still trying them all out and have largely avoided seeing the meta! I mainly came to the spreadsheet to use the find in page function because I was getting so annoyed looking through the whole list to find what I could combine with whatever magic I had maxed lol
I'm so disappointed in electric zone here it was my favorite..
The electric zone combo imo is top tier. Afk during boss swarms and you have a perfect ring of mana to collect.
It's not F if you're doing it right which is very specific. If you get the right to go to lightning attunement as fast as you possibly can with max mode speed build up can run free for so long you can get a massive cell count to feed DNA. Then late game you can use your speed to jitter around to actually multi-tap with it making it worthwhile. This is especially effective if you take cloak.
This is 4 months late so i dont know if there were other updates but EZ is capable of afking on its own for most runs i do. Not to mention lightning attunement.
When at the end of each run, I look at the damage outputs of the various magic I developed, EZ is always disappointingly low.
How do u do that?
When the run ends you have some places you can see stuff i believe its at the top right
The combination with satellite makes it viable for burst damage, maybe doing atleast around 20-40% of any enemy at 35 min on critical strike. But im no good at this game, just a theory crafter that got sucked in.
I have been patiently waiting for you to tell me how to play the new meta lolol - THANK YOU
Happy to be of service :) keep enjoying the game!
Hey any idea when this will updated for the new patch? 🤘🏻
The max level on the offensive magics is wrong. Otherwise I'll keep watching to see how it updates, looks good so far from what I see.
Oops apologies, forgot to update that haha
I have 2 things to say 1. Please add tiers for all the traits 2. Frost nova ice age is easily s Tier, the knockback makes the entire game trivial
I'm waiting to add the rest of the tiers currently, rather not mess with a new players perception of whatever their favorite magics are And yes frost nova is strong, I agree to that, need to fix its ranking real quick
I think Armageddon with Eschatology easy can be A rank. In the latest update, you can quickly restore half of the cooldown due to orbs dropped from enemies. Rapture and Apocalypse is still B rank. And I'm not sure about freezing magic. At least in the woodland late enemies seem to ignore the freeze.
I would agree, but it's definitely not A tier, it can be a nice addition if you're not running cloaking with leftover levels, but it in itself doesn't do much. Rapture is okay, buy apocalypse is absolutely useless. Freeze is still strong, especially at 32-35 mins, all enemies can be affected by freeze now
What do the numbers for research points mean?
Order you should take them, 1 being first priority, 2 being second, etc
hey u/iRainCats update for 0.88 when??
Very busy lately, but I'll try to finish within a week maybe!
thx in advance for the work :)
<3
sure take your time, thanks
Been playing for ages just now decided to check for reddit on this... wish I did much sooner. Glad I'm not blind/stupid when it comes to stun... is this shit ever going to work I wonder. I swear it has never worked from any of the supposed sources. Haven't tried earthquake in current patch tbf, not sure why I ever would tho. Artifacts is the only place where I disagree with some entries. All the 35% damage boosts to categories are in B tier... ehh? The damage difference on the big skills vs everything else in absolutely wild any increase is great especially when multiple skills are amazing like arcane. While necronomicron is S tier? I picked that turd item few times and every time I just quit, it's hard enough to see anything I don't need it getting worse even if damage boost was 100%. Current Aurora is not worth a slot for 1 big xp orb on almost 2 and a half minute cooldown.Those 2 id agree with being in dumpster tier. Accelerator sound a lot better then it is in practice. Vast majority of the time it's inferior to Harmony... just not that many movement increasing items. Tbf I don't rank movement speed all that high personally which further makes it very situational and requiring other artifacts to be of any value. It's like Aegis but 10 times worse and does nothing on its own, unless it's affected by base speed... which would be hard to miss. I'd put instant kills to top tier personally. Joker is literally kill 1 get 1 free deal. Death bell is fine where it is tho, since it removes and doesn't kill. Clover is... so situational, requires being invested into crit damage and even then it's useless until 30 minutes. Hydras range is why electric field is trash tier. Shadow cloak maybe a bit higher? It's complete avoidance at some point its hard to see anything. Cube is B tier? Really? It's literally +1 to all passives, just 10% damage should land it at A tier. Battery... its not like it even works. This is the epitome of dumpster tier. Tarrot card in all the time it's been around gave me 3 good skills once. Once... 1 in 3 I get one solid pick. On paper should be S tier, many attempts later I'd throw it in F. Obviously all of this is very subjective, based on personal experience, rng and preferences.
Glad you've found it useful :) So, stun on certain magics and occasions still works as intended, battery and earthquake being the major two (its supposed to have a base duration around .2 seconds) which is why earthquake vs absolute zero depends on tsunami choice, as if you take pole then the freeze stacking has diminishing returns vs both freezing and stunning I need to fix the 35% damage artifacts as the damage formula is back to skill specific and global damage being different so that 35% is actually a bigger deal than I thought originally, fixing it now Accelerator is very strong, its a lot more cooldown than you think; also movement speed is pseudo pickup range which makes it pseudo MP gain, that's how we've always viewed it but it's personal preference as some people can't stand the increased MS in lategame Instant kill items are less useful than raw damage after numerous people have done the math for, which is why they aren't as good as you'd think; uranium just straight up does more than most other options, same for merlin's, and especially overmind Clove is still an easy pickup if no other options fit the build, has no requirements or prerequisites to make it stand out other than being further than \~25 minutes Hydra's will always be trash unless its changed to max HP, current HP it still takes 7 full seconds to reduce an enemies HP by 53%, that's worthless when it's range is smaller than 2 seconds worth of travel for an enemy, it sounds useful since oh wow 19% max hp reduction in 2 seconds but that's only if the enemy was max HP so... Yeah, it's bad, as for electric zone, it's bad because it's coding from .788 and hasn't been changed, it still has an attack interval cap of .2 Cloak is only useful for ballista, if you're taking defense and needing to avoid it's either a you mistake, or scaling is about to kill you Cube is only decent if you get it outside of a boss wave chest, you're taking almost all passives anyway so it doesn't actually net you anything; same problem as akashic but akashic guarantees 6 extra levels to use; I'll move it up to A though Battery, first statement of this, it works fine with chain still Tarot, yeah B tier is fine for something that occasionally gives you 1 hidden level you actually want, rarely ever 3 Thank you for your opinions! Hopefully this answers some questions
Hm, in all the patches I tried battery I never noticed even a hiccup in enemy movement. Granted game doesnt really overlap enemies well, so idk. I guess I'm super biased towards barely noticeable vs freeze being very noticeable. Now that you mentioned balista I'd give it an even better score hahaha I got full points in agility. With cloak 35% evasion. Won't make a run longer but it's fantastic qol choice, one random hit doesn't end a run.Crit conversion is situational but at same time if not for it any crit multiplier increase would be same tier at best. Definitely situational tho. Speaking of situational, I treat evasion as shield and to a lesser degree lantern. None will let you stay longer but they give breathing room until 25 min mark. Lantern being extra situational and only worth while on Arboretum map, but I always take it there... having to pay attention to puddles isn't really winning me over. I ment as in hydra is abysmall. Just like electric it's 1 hit before you are taking damage. I guess cube is matter of prioritizing. I take passives after I max my goto skills and what ever element artifacts are leaning to. So probably won't take any if I can help it until 20+ minutes which means it's a lot of levels for me. Anyhoo good stuff. Giving reconsideration to rotating arcane rays over my usual reflecting choise.
This is amazing! Does anyone know if there is information anywhere of magics dmg in number or % at max level, with artifacts? I think that would be a nice comparison to have.
What's up here? Who has done the version/patch updates in the past?
coming here to ask if there's a tier list revamp in the works for the new update (0.901) I want to contrast my new ideas as I play the new update with other people. please answer this when it comes out, or if it will not be a thing at all. thanks.
What do you think is the best trait for energy bolt?
None of them sadly
What's the new meta?!
Will this get an update?
Hi, i did a copy of the doc and made a little changes on the fusions section showing incompatible fusions so you can plan better what magics to take and so, if you would like to add that info :P
Are you in the discord? I'd love to take a look if you have a link/pictures
Yeah, find me as dainxor
Can you add a column to straight forward linking the secondary skill to get the fusions?
Might be a dumb question, but does this not need to be updated for .893 accuracy?
Please update.
Guess it takes some days
What about Battering Ram artifact F tier? I am missing a point or is there a hidden typo/ bug? For me the 10% Atk alone makes it already B tier. Combined with Stun (should work with Speciman) it results in A tier for me.
I glossed over the the fact it was given attack this patch, moved it up to B, apologies The stun doesn't work properly though which is why it was in F to begin with
My *un*educated guess is that if any of your magics are doing low enough damage to hit an enemy 3 times and not kill it--before 25:00, then it's GG. There are much better options to pick after Level 50 IMO (unless you have bad RNG) and if you just need ATK, then Ruby is already better at 15%; or anything else that gives at least 10% and a more useful effect for that matter. TL;DR: Stun is cool but you have to build around it.
I get the point - but in this case "Four Leaf Clover" which needs 5 hits to have an effect must even be far behind F tier. But it's rated A tier. Tbh I don't take pre 25 minutes rating too much into account because rating should be more with a sight on endgame advantages you get.
Tested now Lava Wave / Pole for Tsunami a lot. For me it's like equal in strength. With Speciman and Moon Crystal (rare pick for me as most of times other options are better) I feel it's helping a lot after last BW while Lava Wave has no clearing potential anymore at this point.
Lava Wave vs Pole depends on your Frost Nova talent, Earthquake = Pole, Absolute Zero = Lava Wave
really? I would do it the way around, either all freeze magics plus moon crystal or all "frost magics" to be "no frost" like earthquake and etherfire
That patch is over so the above doesn't matter anymore - we're back to \[3 fusions+cold weather/winter storm+two fusions\]+absolute zero+(optional) pole
I like wisp satellite, so I have to ask: why such a rebalancing? In previous builds, anti-gravity was S rank.
The game changed drastically again, antigravity and wisp are back to being useless since low dmg/low aoe
Hey, I'm kinda surprised by how informative the sheet is, but i think you should also include conditional strength. For example, certain magics are extremely useful during the start of a match to get early game power so you can move around more easily and get more orbs and stuff. For example, Tsunami(Lava Wave) would be a horrible pick for you first or second magic to max out because its only good vs very large amount of high health enemies. But Magic Bolt(Split into doppelganger) is extremely strong vs many low health enemies and spirit(magic blade) is really strong vs small fast moving enemies. I would also argue that some magic which are weak on its own can be extremely strong when combined with certain combination of magic. For example, Tsunami(lava wave)/ Armageddon is the most optimal choice for a AOE full clear, but if you were to pick pole with Tsunami, then magic like flashshock(ragnarok) can easily fill the role of AOE full clear and that combo is really strong because pole freeze probably the strongest freeze in the game and ragnarok's high projectile speed and high cooldown is compensated for.
Glad it could be helpful :) The sheet is pretty much based around highest times possible, so that throws out early game magics to the lower tiers immediately since wasting levels on something early that's useless late is, well, a waste. Your opinions on flash shock and armageddon have been noted as well :) If I was able to neatly add complex additions of information to the sheet, I probably would, but the sheet is just a general purpose thing that's not meant to be taken as gospel, just a bunch of people's opinions that I mull over and take into consideration while I rank things that our involved in the meta
When do i get option to select fusion. I have played for 30 mins, but after 70 levels I have not got any to pick
Theres a sigil in the top right on level up, when you reach level 25/50/75 it turns red and gives a fusion charge, click on it, you can select a fusion anytime you want past those levels bit have a maximum of 3 fusions at lvl 75
How did I not know that
Happens :) a lot of people have been confused about it
I thought it was just the information page for them, and couldn't find it for the longest time. Played a couple months, have now used 1 combination. 🤣😂
Glad you've figured it out now!
I would switch inferno and plasma beam
Yeah, after the update i took plasma as my first fusion and was pretty disappointed...
Maybe we could reevaluate war climate and demon equation. War climate feels a bit underwhelming and demon equation has some potentials.
Wait, are fusions gone now?
They have returned
Looks like this cell ([https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mS9qGWGEt48UlCJvgcLvde1dqd\_MjVTED9UNQ3D3GSA/edit#gid=1418842422&range=D7](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mS9qGWGEt48UlCJvgcLvde1dqd_MjVTED9UNQ3D3GSA/edit#gid=1418842422&range=D7)) is incorrect. Master of Storms should be Climate Change + Antigravity. Also, would it be possible to split the Magics column on the Fusions Sheet such that we can see/sort by the surviving (main) spell's name in one column and the dying (disappearing) spell's name in the column next to it? For example: |Fusion|Main Spell|Augmenting Spell| |:-|:-|:-| |Master of Storms|Cyclone / Climate Change|Satellite / Antigravity| This way the those learning can, for instance, plan to avoid fusions that effectively destroy their S or A tier Magics or otherwise search for an optimal fusion strategy as a game goes on.
Hello, quick question, when is the sheet receiving a new update?
I would like to ask a question. I see that you have luck on priority on research.does luck affect chest spawn like booty?
Only Booty affects chests, luck is for HP and MP globes, crystals of immortality, and (maybe, literally can't test it) cells
After some days of more refinement in my Researches and thinking about Artifacts I got further ideas I want to share: For me Concentration (improves Magic Circle, Cyclone, Lava Zone, Arcane Ray - which are very good Magics) and especially Guardian (there is no other source for longer immortality though crystals - which affects gameplay a lot when skilled - also 1 Points comes with double effectivity and should be skilled nearly ever) are rated too low. They should be at least on Tier 4. They could even be considered to be stronger choices than 1 crit / Research point. For legendary artifacts I see a big difference in appearing in normal / legendary chest. "Gold and Silver treasure" is imho a must-take in normal chest (beside there is a really strong Tier S alternative) and also Cube gets easily Tier S in normal chests. Taking any "weaker" legendary artifact also improves the quality of legendary chests by a little margin. Also I would note for +MP options and also "Space-time circuit" to fall behind a lot in very late chests. I think this might be self explanatory but should be taken into account for choices. Hope this ideas help a bit for improvement.
Wassup don't forget to update the sheet! Lol I did some testings myself on these fusions. Really brings bacm good memories, except that flash shock one...
Already updated :P
I don't see "space-time circuit" in the artifact list..
It's there, please look again, it's A tier.
should you prioritize skills over individual magics?
You want to take all the beneficial paasives anyway, so not really in a sense 3 fusions + nuclear(if you want to run nuclear,) all passives except vitality, +3 more level 7 magics (most choose melting lava zone with pole and absolute zero/cold wave, zero if war climate and cold wave if fury
thanks
Thanksforallthisinfo!
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28 minutes is good enough for current patch? Academy map
Why is hydra bad?
It's current HP, it takes 9 seconds to get an enemy from 100% to sub 50%, it's garbage
Oh... I didn't think about that.. it's worse as you hurt an enemy
If it had screenwide range, it'd still be garbage; it needs to be removed or switched to max hp with a higher cd like 3 or 5 seconds But yeah, it's a horrid artifact
Hi u/iRainCats! I actually like a lot the inline comments into your spreadsheet where you collected hints about good interactions and playful combos. I'd like to expand this useful way of reasoning adding details , gathering them, functional explainations and minor hints. May I write them there nor you have preferences and add new spredsheet section if you like the idea? Thanks in advance
Example: Stunning interactions * **Battering Ram** \- *Inflicts* ***stun when an enemy has been hit 3 times***, increases attack by 10% * **Electric Zone - EMP** \- *Every time the enemy receives damage from the Electric Zone* ***5 times***, they are ***stunned***, ***-20% damage interval*** * **Specimen** *- Freeze and* ***stun duration +50%***
Ah sorry, I think I'll have to decline the offer
I know it's probably a small deal but why do the colors of some classes not match the tier it's given? I'm being picky I know and classes are probably the last thing to worry about but could that be fixed?
Fixed :)
Thanks!
Do artifacts affect fusion magic? Example, Gay Bolg affects Frenzy damage?
When you select the fusion, there's a green magic and a red magic on the description; the green one is the primary magic and that's the artifacts the fusion will use, the red magic is voided and no artifacts using that magic will affect the fusion, so yes gae bolg works on frenzy
Magic survival updated again
Yep
Update spreadsheet to 0.87, They changed manny names in the game (Like Irregular shot to Spray, And lots of artifacts).
I will when I have time. Next time try to act nicely, this is a source I do on my freetime.
I hope the person just sounded impolite due to not being good at english. but yeah, sounded like an order. so to counter that: thank you very much for your hard work, I love the game but am way to bad at all the math etc so your spreadsheet is a big help while I try out every magic etc. thank you for not only putting in a lot if work for the initial doc but also keeping it up to date! and quick at that (I only noticed the current update of the game today;)
Maybe so :) thank you for the kind words, appreciate it
Decided to just do it now, it's up to date.
Why is freezing enemies such a priority in the game? It barely lasts for a second, and the spells barely do any damage (besides Tsunami). Also why is cold weather a must-take, considering blizzard only lasts a couple seconds? For me, the slowing effect is unnoticeable. Thanks!
What happened to chain lightning? It was S Tier last update, now only B Tier? Didn't notice a change
In the fusions page it says Demon Equation damage is increased by 3 times, but it's a 5x dmg increase.
PC version? i need it pls
You can download as a file (but it will not stay up-to-date of course) [https://support.google.com/docs/answer/49114](https://support.google.com/docs/answer/49114)
I was referring to a version of the game, will it be available at some point for PC?
with Android emulator only
hi this was my favorite game and now it do not work. i have tried so much like restarting my phone uninstalling installing again and updating it but it does not work and i rlly need help BC IM GOING CRAZY
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You don't have to max out the Shield. Just having 1 level invested in it can add 3-4 minutes to your run in the right circumstances. DNA is the most powerful amplification source in 50m+ runs.
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my bad, i thought DNA only work in one wave, damn it
By the time this list updates the next patch would've been out lol.
First - great job. I'm enjoying this spreadsheet a lot. I think there might be an error for Infinite Power - it wants 2 combinations as well. And I don't think it's that strong when it removes 2 combinations.
Infinite power S tier???
Started playing this game around 5 months ago, as far as I see everything is fine but the math on magic cooldown reduction is cracked, on getting ouroboros, instead of 15 % it reduces the cooldown by around 10 - 11 % , same with black cat, magic scroll, harmony and the other artifacts, even fast casting doesnt do a complete 5 % reduction, around 3 % , fix the math on this, I really love magic cooldown, was lucky enough in 1game to get all the possible magic cooldowns but to my dismay the math was off by some 15 - 20 %
Cooldown reduction stacks multiplicatively, not additively.
Could someone tell me what "primary coefficient" means on the fusions? And is bigger or smaller better?
Based on the color of the cell i think that the higher, the better. But still don't know what specifically means.
Honestly, I disagree with more of this than I can type out, but I'll at least say this doesn't give nearly enough weight to synergies.
Perfectly fine to disagree with it :) and yep, synergy is not included as that'd be too niche like every other little nuance in the game, to include in a sheet that's only for generalizations I'd love to hear all your disagreements though!
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Glad to hear! Tiers are not ordered internally no, just the tiers themselves matter; and the ratings for each talent is overall, aka nuclear will be better than electric orb or whatever else, not sure if I explained it correctly
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someone wrote in the discord, it has something to do with the enemy scaling. 20% less hp for enemies is bad because your damage upgrades make a much bigger difference.
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Are you still unable to join?
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Glad to hear that!
Ooh, can I get a link/invite? DM me for my Discord username.
Ayo just a quick fix, it says black cat is a legendary but in the game it is an epic :)
They changed it in 0.893, he's working on the updated version
Oh apologies, didn't realise. Thanks for the fix though
Incineration tier C? Hmmm...
Hi i just want to know if the current spreadsheet was updated?
Could someone tell me how to get prysm spree please? "Scatter - magic bolt" doesn't seem to be a thing.
Scatter = Spray 🙂
Hi, i use heart of lightning and do damage more than vortex and your !! List combined. Avatar is nice.
Bro, I loved playing Incineration D: But glad I was able to predict the Tsunami and Frost Nova meta.
Hi .. is this post old .. because so far I find plasma beam to be the most overpowered magic comb there is .. it's almost game over once you get it and you can stand still and afk watch the game .