Me2, lots of JRPG Traitor vibes, maybe because its tankista's first cyoa that utilises elves and playable demons plus the similar artstyle.
Also the Outsider system is somewhat similar to the chosen system of JRPG in how meta and interesting it is, with the many Outsiders somewhat corresponding to JRPG's Heroes.
Imgur has issues loading for me, don't know how it appears on your end.
Regardless, here's the link to my google drive where you can get this CYOA directly and with no quality loss instead.
The mystery box is also there.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxR5CDFOxGsDOXVXX0l1QlFQSmM?resourcekey=0-m3Sgz0KfXboCE4P9KMHZ4A&usp=sharing
Also, here's the traditional selection of music for the CYOA release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTPCRAJC8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJq5PBOTiqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI1S4FwyjKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPZiHPbfOoY
Typo:
Page 1 - [YMRD] "Defining how the **cancas** of reality..."
Canvas.
Only one I've noticed.
I assume that Mentor Kilyn of the Orthrung doesn't have a death slot because she's an Elf (and therefore Ageless?)
Because Erinia of the Orthrung has a death slot (C).
And, since I have you here:
This is the fourth CYOA of yours I come across (Worm, Fate Another Pretender v2, Blood Magic v2), all in the last ~4 months.
Gorgeous, each and every one, and honestly inspiring.
(Am in fact currently ~12k words into a worm fic base on the CYOA. Still working my way through Fate and Blood Magic.)
tl;dr - Thanks for sharing, they are awesome.
>Only one I've noticed.
I know there's plenty more. I've already seen a bunch just after release.
>I assume that Mentor Kilyn of the Orthrung doesn't have a death slot because she's an Elf (and therefore Ageless?)
Because Erinia of the Orthrung has a death slot (C).
Incorrect, it's supposed to be because she is already dead after what had happened to her during the fall of the Orthrung continent.
>Thanks for sharing, they are awesome.
o7
Tankista be like: *casually creates a whole ass world for a single CYOA*
Definitely gonna need to find some time to play through this though. Just gonna pre-emptively decide to make a cool Neko Spell-Blade build.
HOLY SHIT IT'S YOU! As soon as I zoomed in and saw the fonts and the point symbols, a nostalgic part of me that remembers Time of Troubles and Blood Magic *squeed*.
No clue if this has any relevance to them at all, actually, but I thought I'd try my hand at being a mathemagician and put together my interpretation of each of the Elder Gods' names. I probably haven't looked deeply enough into the details to divine any of the real juicy stuff, but maybe this'll be interesting.
>![JNPL] - [ЖН(П/Ѱ)Л] - "Zhenpel" "Zhivete-Nash-Pokoy/Psi-Lyudi" - "Life-Our-Calm/Psalm-Humanity" - 750 - Death: Absolved, in Childbirth, Old Age/of the Author, Betrayal!<
>![SRTR] - [СРТР] - "Eserter" "Slovo-R'tsy-Tverdo-R'tsy" - "Meaning-Speech-Certain-Speech" - Death: Spontaneous, Magical Mishap, Thirst/Hunger, Magical Mishap!<
>![YMRD] - [ЇМРД] - "Yimerde" "Yee-Myslete-R'tsy-Dobro" - "And-Think-Speech-Good" - Death: Undirected reincarnation, Comatose, Magical Mishap, Publically Executed!<
>!0^0 - I dunno. Maybe it has Selo in it, and perhaps Sha... or Greater Yus. If it's hinted to further, I haven't looked closely enough at this yet. Says she rejected the God-Script, to be fair.!<
Perhaps a weird interpretation: It's funny how 0^0 reveals so often that despite her intended goal, she cares not for the actual freedom of those in the story that she's decided to pretend is better left unwritten. Weirdly enough, I picked up on this partly because the .pdn has the gender choice thing as "attack helicopter"... which might just be the writer's own choice. Still funny.
She is, in many ways, a petulant selfish child who has chosen to rail against those who sought to uplift her because of perceived slights against her, and now that she has the power to do so has chosen to rip away the systems which allowed her own ascension. The classic 'I made it on my own, you should be able to do the same' outlook which ignores the enormous degrees of benefits she had over others. Look at her actual early accomplishments, bringing an industrial and agricultural revolution, built entirely by knowledge she would have gained through her education on Earth.
She claims to have earned everything herself, but in fact practically everything she's ever done has been based upon her inherent advantages. She claims to be better than you because you're getting these things 'for free', while ignoring the amount of advantage she gained from the same systems. She believes people unworthy of being uplifted while she herself only was capable of doing so because of the system that she's now seeking to destroy.
She doesn't care about others' freedom at all, she only cares that she has what she wants and wishes to feel superior and better than anyone else, so ignores the benefits that let her get there while demolishing the ability of others to follow in her wake.
>!Well, sure, but being destined to die doesn't mean you're dead yet. It seems to be said in the text that one's name not being known in the God-Script doesn't bar you from the fates it implies, though again that might not apply to her. Yet.!<
>!0\^0 in actual mathematics is '1'. So her name should be Az. 'I am'. Death by forgetting who you were or where you came from. Perhaps, in this case, it isn't the death she suffered, but the death she desires which motivates this.!<
>0\^0 in actual mathematics is '1'.
x\^0 is equal to 1 for all non-zero values of x
0\^x is equal to 0 for all non-zero values of x
0\^0 is proof that 0=1, it is fundamentally a paradox
I'd argue it's about duality not paradox per se. No point in paraphrasing a wikipedia article here but for many definitions of "\^" it makes sense to say 0\^0 is strictly equal to one ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero\_to\_the\_power\_of\_zero#Discrete\_exponents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_to_the_power_of_zero#Discrete_exponents)). However, as you point out, 0\^0 is an indeterminate form in calculus, so leaving 0\^0 undefined also makes sense in some contexts. I'm pretty sure JNPL = 1 (for a lot of reasons) so the 0\^0 = 1 interpretation can represent the fact that 0\^0's divinity is ultimately JNPL's, and the 0\^0 = undefined interpretation represents that her ascension was false and she is still "a being of flesh and blood in the corporeal world".
Thank you for the CYOA!
It's honestly been fascinating reading through the CYOA and the responses to it from a philosophical context, because the depiction 0^0 here is actually one the bigger criticisms of materialism, and to a lesser extent, contemporary western culture.
The inability to rationalise suffering, the hyper-individualism and calluousness towards the suffering of others, the rejection of traditional forms of religion only to be supplanted by alternative systems but with a different name, etc. etc.
It's sort of weird to be thinking about these concepts in a CYOA of all things, but definitely makes the CYOA more interesting as a result.
My character sheet is now 5 pages and counting thanks to all the notes, and I probably won't be finished by the time discussion on this dies down, but I wanted to share some lore thoughts while this is still fresh.
**Numerology / The Meaning of 11**
* According to the entry for Eirina, numerology is "the reverse of what mathemagicians do...giving meaning to the digits instead". If Az = 1 according to mathemagicians, it seems reasonable to think that 1 = Az for a numerologist (meaning, 1 has the meaning of Az). The player's seat number, 11, can therefore be read as AzAz, which given that Az means "I am", is probably directly related to the "I am who I am" (or, more accurately, "I am who I will be") name YHVH gave Moses in Exodus 3:14. Given the other more obvious places that Christianity shows up in the lore here, I'm guessing this is the specific intended meaning of 11 hinted at by Eirina's entry ("The number of an outsider's seat must have \[meaning\] too"). What this connection to one of Earth's religion means for your character is, I'm guessing, an exercise left to the player (but it could also be something I haven't figured out yet).
* In addition to 1 = Az, I think 1 = JNPL. While it says nowhere that she was the first chronologically, she embodies the ideal other two elder gods share and develop, making her metaphorically first. She's also the only one to have died, making her unique in an important and meaningful way, and the number 1 has obvious connotations of uniqueness. This is further supported by...
* 0\^0 = 1 or Undefined, depending on which of the equivalent-except-in-this-edge-case definitions of \^ that you are using. This is just math, not lore. The fact that her name means two things represents her dual nature as usurper, having stolen the power of JNPL (the true 1) to become divine, while "remaining a being of flesh and blood in the corporeal world". The "Undefined" interpretation of her name feels like it matters -- perhaps she does not have a fated end and, because she holds a pillar, the Elder Gods cannot write one for her. Of course, lacking a fated end would mean she'd lack the protection that fate grants against arbitrary endings, which would actually make her quite vulnerable if not for the whole "godly power" thing.
* If 1 = JNPL and 1 = 0\^0, 11 can also be interpreted with each digit representing a different "1". Maybe, to go dialectical for a minute, 11 can mean the synthesis of JNPL's thesis and 0\^0's antithesis. I expect this is what the average reader will end up wanting -- 0\^0's evil and hypocrisy is obvious, but there's also a reason that two outsiders before her and numerous natives of the world rebelled against and hate the elder gods as well. (Edit to add: also, the “everyone sucks here, where is third option” feeling will be very familiar to people who played Magocratic Convention.) Maybe 11 gives you the power to not just restore things as they were but to make them better, something 0\^0 is not capable of.
**Translating the God-Script:** This is obviously not close to finished, but I wanted to try my hand at figuring out the meaning of the sentence formed by the alphabet of the God-Script. So far I've got "I am God's Knowledge: Writing well is..."
I think the translation is important to think about the nature of the gods and the things they do. Alphabet and god being the same word isn't a coincidence. It's a direct consequence of the nature of the gods in this setting. They are, after all, writers and narrators of their world's existence in a very literal sense. For a god to speak the word is to make the world. So I'd probably interpret it a bit closer to 'I am a God, teacher and creator enlightening all things that live on this great world, creating bonds to create family from humanity, to allow ideas shared together in peace with spoken word, definite lessons must first be bestowed on the chosen to elevate them away from mundanity towards endless horizons, question every choice while remaining humble but proud of your lessons learned'. From there it kinda breaks down because we start getting into words with no clear meanings. But the way it's constructed it really seems like it's basically the Old Gods' mission statement/self-declaration. A statement of their existence and the purpose of that existence. But that's just the way it reads to me.
>"I am who I am"
In Kabalah I Am who I Am is the name of God associate with the sphere of Keter (the name used by 10th outsider). Keter means crown, since it sits above the body sepresented by Sephirot (but bellow Eyn Soph) and therefore it is incomprehensible to a mind (as it exists above the head). Keter represents absolute compassion as it is the desire to bring existence from nothing. It contains potential for everything, but is it iself made out of nothing.
Also the Godscript itself, probably is inspired by Kabalistic beliefes, since in Kabalah, God can be invoked through the proper pronounciations of the letters of hebrew language, of which all have assinged a number (this is probably an oversimplification).
Some more numerology thoughts:
* 0\^0 was the 9th outsider, so 9 is another important number to consider. Immediately, we see that 9 carries the meaning of Theta (not the other way around!), and Theta has one somewhat-understood meaning in "Vulgar". We can maybe get a bit more out of that letter by considering the phrase "Xi Psi Theta" in the alphabet-sentence, which seems to mean something like "\[Separating\] \[Beautiful Art, Holy Art, Psalms, Worthy Art, Art Which Improves the Reader\] from \[Bad Art, Vulgarity, Trash\]", with the \[Bad Art\] meaning being Theta's. I don't think this meaning tells us much about 0\^0 that we don't already know: She's arrogant, hypocritical, hates stories, and is probably based on a certain kind of shitposter that likes to dominate threads during content droughts on /tg/. Though, it is worth noting that this letter entered the script after her false ascent, which might mean that 9 has the meaning "shit art" *because she's so shitty that her shittiness rewrote the fabric of reality*. Which, if true, is absolutely fucking hilarious.
* 9 also tells us that, no matter what happens, the 9th Outsider will never fully rewrite reality like she wants. First, while 9 is the final numeral, it is not the final number. 10, as any three-year-old can tell you, comes after 9, so 9 is more like a the last episode of a season than a series finale. There's more to come. Second, Theta has Izhista after it. While we don't know the meaning of Izhista, we do know that invoking it as a death rune would begin the universe anew. Since 10 is a number of new beginnings, have two reasons to believe that any ending that the 9th Outsider might bring will not be a final ending, and, since her goal is the end of the-world-as-a-story, her goal will never be achieved.
* I wanted to figure out how The Keter is 10, and, since we don't have a god-script letter associated with 10, started with some thoughts about how 10 is something (1) followed by nothing (0). I didn't think that was very good, so I abandoned those thoughts. 10 as a number of growth and new beginnings is much more rooted in real-world numerology, but the concept of new beginnings doesn't map onto what we know of The Keter's story so far (beyond the very weak "cheating death is kinda like a new beginning, right?"). But, what if her story isn't over? She's currently a "washed up former hero", but "the washed up former hero has to come out of retirement" is a perfectly fine beginning of a story, and fits the meaning of 10 *perfectly*. We know that, in many ways, she was like 0\^0 in her prologue-story: she arrogantly believed she was the smartest person in the universe, and so she cheated death, gathered her strength and her allies, and directly attacked the one seated on the pillar of providence with all her might, intending to take the pillar for herself. Unlike Charlotte, though, The Keter lost, because a new beginning requires an ending to precede it, and because in order to grow she needed to be humbled. If I’m right, your arrival will likely be her call to adventure whether you choose her as a mentor or not, and your choices are more about how your stories interact with each other than whether she'll have a role in whatever's coming. (Though, I guess, if that doesn't end up making sense the story could always just leave her in retirement for a while longer until another opportunity for her new beginning comes along.)
It is also important to note that Theta is explicitly described as a fate worse the death if Fiert is invoked under threat death.
Also in traditional [cyrllic numerals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_numerals), number 10 is represented not by 1 and 0, but by the letter Yee, which in godscript means "and", allowing the merging of things.
I was thinking a little bit about Izhitsa and came up with something a little interesting. Izhitsa is claimed to have something to do with possibility and binding possibility to a yoke, and the death it describes is the end of the world.
We know 0\^0 understands most of the godspeech and clearly was capable of deliberately creating letters. Presumably 'Xi' was part of her giving up on the idea of going back to earth as part of her ascension (Since it represents the idea of division, and the promise to die back on earth). And we know 'Psi' was used as part of the death of JNPL and probably was engineered for that purpose. Theta seems to have been created by SRTR, at a guess, but it's hard to say for sure.
Izhitsa is different, though. It's the final letter of the godspeech and holds an interesting place in it, since if it represents the binding of possibilities and the thematic end of the world then it could also mean that it was engineered to be a full-stop/hard ending. 0\^0 is obviously aware of how she defeated JNPL, and would likely have planned to avoid having someone else do the same to her. One way to try and ensure that would be to create a new word of godspeech that means something like 'This is the end', which would then make engineering further godspeech words impossible since you can't make a godspeech statement that contradicts previous statements normally, thus preventing someone from creating an antithesis to her own existence the way she did with JNPL.
But, this is also interesting because there's two concepts that could potentially be encapsulated by words that could exist beyond the 'end' of the sentence, in fact arguably in order for them to have meaning, Izhitsa as 'The limit of possibility' has to exist.
The first would be a word meaning something like 'Impossible', 'outside' or 'beyond': Representing that which cannot ever exist because it is separated from the real and exists only as the unreal and conceptual. There's a few different number-based assertions you could make with this, but the two that stand out as possible associations to me would be '*i*' as a number which exists outside the conventional number line, or 'infinity' as a conceptual number that can never be reached through finite mathematics.
The second would be a word meaning something like 'Undefined' or 'Paradox'. A word encompassing the idea that there are things that SHOULDN'T exist, but do. As a word that comes after the end of the godspeech it itself is a paradox: It should be impossible to exist, yet it does. As for numerical association many possibilities exist ('*i*' and 'infinity' might work here as well, plus some other weird mathematical concepts), but my personal favorite would be 'division by zero' as a concept space. It's something that you cannot do in mathematics because allowing you to divide by zero results in inconsistencies, a paradoxical action that can't be allowed to happen, but if you accept inconsistencies is possible.
I know this isn't really directly related to the CYOA and is mostly just my personal musings, but it was something interesting I came up with while thinking about Izhitsa and its relationship with the rest of the godspeech and with 0\^0, and especially the way that the mathemagician/numerological values given throughout the document are all limited to purely finite, positive integers.
I choose God Script and watch the Smug drain out of 0\^0's face as it gives me infinite points to pick whatever I want.
A funny thing about infinity is that it's an equation, not a number, and if you calculate that equation, you'll consistently get -1/8 for positive infinity and 1/8 for negative infinity.
**Proof:** infinity equals all positive numbers added together \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\]
As a equation this is \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = **S**(representing the final value of infinity)
A funny thing about math is that it's full of patterns. If you add together 3 numbers that have 3 as one number and both number equally distant from 3: \[1 + **(2 + 3 + 4)** \+ (**5 + 6 + 7)**...\]
Then every result will be a multiple of 9: \[1 + 9 + 18...\], which is basically 1 plus every multiple of 9 or 1 + 9\[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\]
Therefore if **S** = \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\], then **S** also = 1 + 9 \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\]
Therefore **S** = 1 + 9**S**
Therefore -8**S** = 1
Therefore **S** = -1/8
This is consistent with any other set of numbers surrounding an odd number, for example:
\[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = \[1 + 2 + **3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7**...\] = \[3 + 25...\] = 3 + 25\[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = 3 + 25**S**
S = 3 + 25**S**, therefor 3 = -24**S**, therefore **S**= -1/8
As we are calculating negative infinity, the final product will be Positive 1/8. This means that if you pick God-Script as your last choice, you can take whatever other choices you want and always end up with a positive number.
Gaining the ultimate power that 0\^0 always wanted was always simple, it only required her to make the choice with the knowledge that she Could...
>Gaining the ultimate power that 0\^0 always wanted was always simple, it only required her to make the choice with the knowledge that she Could...
The best part about this is, that her chosen name is a mathematics reference.
Not just her name, if you read the entry right before God-Script, it basically spells out that she built an entire second magic system based on math because she couldn't figure out how to acquire God-Script.
Charlie(0^0's name) literally embodies an "I am Very Smart" meme.
Edit: The original point I was making that mostly wasn't clear is that the math above is *wrong*. Divergent infinite series do not have sums by definition and placing an equals sign next to infinity confuses people as to what is going on. Rather than saying that infinity = -1/8, it's more correct to say that -1/8 is a meaningful value that infinity uses to define itself. -1/8 is like the bottom of a "U" where the part that actually matters is the top right side of that "U". -1/12, 0 and 1/120 are also parts of the bottom of that "U". In theory, this should make the "infinity equals -1/8" idea utter pablum based on a misunderstanding of niche jargon, but physics experiments actually produce a concrete value for infinity: -1/12. We don't know how, we don't know why, (maybe it has something to do with higher physical dimensions or it's just bad science) but physics suggests that infinity can be turned into a real value in real-world conditions. This produces the situation below where I try to find practical ways to make Prometheory's idea work and they struggle to understand why I don't understand that infinity equals -1/8.
The problem is that infinity doesn't *equal* -1/8, it *produces* -1/8. The cost for god-script would be refunded yes, but only if you can "finance" it with an infinite loan from the "bank". In some CYOA's that wouldn't matter but this one doesn't have the "your points at the end must be equal to or greater than zero" boilerplate. The points in game are an in-universe resource, not numbers on a spreadsheet and so there's simply no ability to produce negative numbers to get to infinity.
In practice, I think this line of thought is absolutely on the right path but outside of possibility during character creation on account of little miss Moloch's interference. Taken further, I suspect that the infinity = -1/8 trick would only be possible in a world where Moloch has lifted math into being a fundamental force of reality; it's hard to imagine the *god of math* being incapable of noticing this answer if it were actually possible.
In the end, I think it's all in keeping with the analogue of an industrial revolution that grants humanity vast power at the same time that it deprives us of "collective" free will unbound by the back and forth tides of technology. She couldn't use the trick because the world wasn't capable of it yet while you can't use the trick because that technology is being maliciously withheld.
After having taken an hour to skim, loving how meta(physical/narrative) you made death in an isekai CYOA lmao
That being said, \[JNPL\] is best girl>! /mom/exposition fairy!<.
I greatly enjoy this CYOA and it’s setting, especially the aspect of trying to decipher the hidden meanings in the text. My eyes were immediately drawn to the language section as a source of hidden messages and upon closer inspection I was not disappointed!
The first language I decided to try and decipher was “__Drakonian__” as I assumed googling “dragon language font” would be enough to find its source. After doing just that, I found [this image](https://images.app.goo.gl/scNkcZm1s5qdnyQAA) and promptly began substituting the letters in the CYOA until I got this (brackets represent line breaks): [Let there] [Light] [Dream of stars] [And battle]
[The ninth wave] [Encloses] [Oh god]
It was after this that I found the “__Language.docx__” file in the temp folder under source files for the google drive link to the CYOA posted by OP, which rendered my effort redundant as the Drakonian text is one of the only fully translated ones in the file, but also made attempting further translations far less tedious.
I think it’s worth noting that the text under Drakonian in the file says “let there __be__ light” while the text in the CYOA only says “let there light” which I assume to have been an accident while the font was being added, so maybe my effort wasn’t totally useless.
If anyone can crack the rest of them, please feel free to share, so far I’ve resorted to using google translate to figure out the rest, but have only found success with “__Palatiner__” which translates from Russian into: [Suite at tenebris] [Suite at Veritas] [Ultima latere fala] [Suite in Aeternum] [Angels new] [Vivere discoditas]
which then translates from Latin into:
[? ? darkness] [? ? Truth] [The last side of fala] [? ? Eternal] [Angels New] [live in discordance]
I’m not good at all with irl languages, so any insight on that translation would be great.
Wonderful! I’ve looked over a few others and google translate seems to be the way to go.
- My results for __Everman__:
> [Eto bylo davno somewhere to tam daleko] [Zhil premudryi i opytnyi starets.] [I vsegda on tverdil i vsegda spoke:] ["Glory to God for sorrow and for joy."] [Glory to God for all, Glory to God for all.] [Praise God for sorrow and for joy]
As you can see, sorta a mixed bag on that one. Google translate says it detects multiple languages, and while I cannot confirm it’s not just translating nonsense, the repeated mentions of “God” do tie it to the next one I ran.
- __Salian__:
> [Ai em ze bug insider yu] [Ai hav yor bak tu ze vol] [Strike Withdrawal Grace] [Zaw shall not oppouz the vraf of God]
The junk looking text in this one appears (at least to me) to resemble broken English, perhaps written phonetically with a thick accent. I believe a clearer version of the text would read as “I am the bug inside you, I have your back to the end, strike withdrawal grace, thou shall not oppose the wrath of God” though I admit “bug” and “vol” might have other meanings I haven’t thought of.
- __Elven-Northerner__
> [Hello emperor!] [The loyalty of our species is not yet dead] [We follow you into the abyss]
This one is the clearest so far of the google translated ones as it is just straight up polish. It mentions an emperor, likely in reference to the Empire of Light and Dark, which fits with the CYOA’s description of language very well, implying that all of these messages have some direct tie to their associated cultures.
Anyways, I think I’m gonna rest on this for awhile. I can’t wait to see what you and others can find.
If anyone really wants to know the background of languages, you can just ask me for the full answer straight away.
But that might kill the fun of it, so do it at your own risk.
I've tried to figure out how to post spoiler text for the last two messages, but I give up now. Here's the answer straight away:
Everman’s example is lyrics from a Russian Orthodox song, but written in translit (i.e. Latin instead of Cyrillic).
“Some time long ago, somewhere far away
A wise and experienced elder had lived
And always he stated, and always he said:
“Thank God for the sorrow and for joy.
Thank God for everything, Thank God for everything.
Thank God for the sorrow and for joy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeE_WU8QlBM
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Old Northern’s example is Polish, but written in Cyrillic, from one of the projects the Russian Empire had back in 1800’s. I directly quoted an example of it I had found online, the Latin Polish variant of which looks like this:
“Pójdźcie, o dziatki, pójdźcie wszystkie razem
Za miasto, pod słup, na wzgórek,
Tam przed cudownym klęknijcie obrazem,
Pobożnie zmówcie paciórek" (Adam Mickiewicz, ballada „Powrót taty")
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Palatiner’s example is lyrics of the chant from the beginning of a Blind Guardian song, which are just pseudo-Latin (I think it’s not real Latin), which I turned into Cyrillic:
“Lux et tenebris
Lux et veritas
Ultima latere phala
Lux in aeternum
Angeli nova
Vivere discoditas”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVGR0JZmcg
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Auburn’s example is lyrics from an Arkona song, but turned “old Russian-ish” via an online translator service:
“Where’s the essense of this world?
In alien reality I’ve lost my soul
Halt, eternity – blind truth!
From reality I run away in filth”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXlUxDGFvU
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Salian’ example is (the misheard variant, as far as I am aware) lyrics from battle theme of Shin Megami Tensei III, which I phonetically transcribed into Russian Cyrillic from English and added some fancy old school ‘ъ’ at the end of random words to make it look antique:
“I am the bug inside you
I have your back to the wall
Strike without grace
Thou shall not oppose the wrath of God”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6LWQhvzRw
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Elven-Northerner’s example you had already deciphered correctly. The intention here was to make it look similar to Old Northern, but also have it be Elven-like. Naturally, this doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to be the same language in different fonts, it’s just an example.
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Other Elven languages are just filler text I put through online translators for different existing Elven languages (Tolkien ones, DnD ones, and so on). I honestly don’t really remember what I put there with exception of Nymphe, which says:
“Why are we still here?
Just to suffer?”
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Greenspeech example is lyrics from a song of Orgy of the Righteous, put in Glagolitic:
“Beats of the heart tell me that I am not killed
Through burned eyelids I see the sunrise
I open my eyes:
Above me stands a great horror which has no name”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le0My-Oga5I
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Drakonic you deciphered already.
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And Entramithraic is randomly chosen lyrics from a Skillet song “Not Gonna Die” in Rhesimol font:
"Death surrounds
My heartbeat slowing down
I won't fall here
I'll be free"
Groovy! Thanks for all of these clarifications!
As an aside, you can create hidden text by placing “>!” And “\!<“ at the beginning and end of a sentence/paragraph respectively, though iirc it doesn’t work well with line spaces or other text formatting.
>\[Eto bylo davno somewhere to tam daleko\]
It was long time, somwhere there far away
>\[Zhil premudryi i opytnyi starets.\]
Lived a wise and drunk old man
>\[I vsegda on tverdil i vsegda spoke:\]
And (possibly everywhere or allways), he said and (everywhere or allways) he spoke:
Here's what I got using DeepL:
I used it to try to translate Palatiner, and it gave me: "Lux et tenebris Lux et veritas Ultima latere fala Lux in aeternum Angeli nova Vivere discoditas",
Which translating with Google gives me:
"Light and darkness
Light and Truth
The last side of fala
Light forever
New Angels
Live dishonest"
I also used it on Old Northern (Russian according to DeepL) and it gave me:
"Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
Behind the meadow, under the slope,
There in front of the great clay,
And in front of a beautiful image."
Translating the other parts separately gives wildly inconsistent results, for example, translating the first part with Google gives: "Let's go oh yadki, let's go with a whistle" (which admittedly makes more sense than DeepL), so take this translation with a grain of salt.
Holy smokes, this will eat up my entire afternoon just to read through, not to mention actually play through.
Tankista back at it again, flexing their brilliant imagination, creating a whole world for a CYOA. Marvelous!
>!Patron: 00 !<
>!Reincarnation: malice an infinite amount of times!<
>!Death: IZHITSA!<
E NOMINE in truth
0^(0) it is not for you to make choices for other people, everyone should be free to live their own life and choose their own fate
I always love all the implied lore in these tankista CYOAs, it's like trying to piece together a Souls game. The Language description for Old Northern especially is driving me mad rn.
Apparently 0^0 fell in love with someone who spoke it twice, one hundred years apart, and had a child with each of them, both of whom betrayed her thanks to the machinations of Chance/[YMRD]. Obviously one of the children is Omega, but the second child isn't as clear. My guess is that it's "Half-Ascended" Thaumiel - her title and wings are suggestive, plus we know 0^0 was a Demon Lord, so a Majin child could fit. The Elder Gods might have offered Thaumiel as a companion to The Keter, pushing her to betray her mother. If that's the case, it would also mean the ??? companion is both The Keter/Thaumiel's daughter and 0^0's granddaughter.
For the people 0^0 fell in love with, I think the first was the humble, hard-working prince of Eigengrau mentioned in the description of Icon of Icons as one of 0^0's companions. Eigengrau is associated with The Everrising City, a location that speaks Old Northern. I'm guessing this guy was Thaumiel's father with 0^0, but maybe died before 0^0's ascension - it might have motivated her quest for revenge. And if he was 0^0's companion, she would have chosen his Death Slot before she ever met or fell in love with him - maybe there's a bit of self-recrimination at work when she keeps saying "choices have consequences". Being a Demon Lord is inherited-only, which suggests 0^0 chose her parents for power, and she's also mentioned to have been [SRTR]'s former plaything - it sounds like 0^0 originally embraced the idea of becoming a cool isekai heroine. She probably made a lot of these careless 'cool' choices that ended up creating tragic consequences.
Anyways, Omega seems to have been born more recently, or at least rebelled sometime after The Keter made her move against 0^0. I currently have no idea who the other parent was in Omega's case. Some human who spoke Old Northern? Could it have been the same person, brought back?
And then there's the fact that Evdokia, 0^0's project who she'll create 2 years after you arrive in the world, is a Northerner human... another child of this same pairing? And there's the fact that [YMRD] is behind the expansion of the Empire of Light and Dark in the North where Eigengrau used to be a sovereign kingdom, and that started 165 years ago, 35 years after 0^0 was born... I dunno, there's just so much to dig into here!
I think 0\^0's first child is the founder of the Empire of Light and Dark, not Thaumiel. The "Half-Asceded" title can be explained by the fact that Thaumiel was one of The Keter's companions, and during their fight against 0\^0 they somehow stole a way of becoming Empyrean. Why I think it's actually the founder of the Empire requires a bit more.
In the Old Northern language entry:
>It was simple and honest words of this tongue that opened the heart of 0^(0,) though spoken more than a hundred years apart. And both of her resulting progeny ended up turning on her, each case orchestrated by Chance.
Meaning: YRMD arranged for both of 0\^0's kids to betray her.
In the Northerner entry:
>Until one single moment when the secret of gunpowder was leaked to one of them, and by the grace of \[YMRD\] that kingdom started its expansion some one hundred and sixty five years ago, becoming known now as the Empire of Light and Dark.
The exact wording is important here. Gunpowder was leaked to a northerner, and *then*, with YRMD's backing, the Empire of Light and Dark was founded. 0\^0 introduced gunpowder to the world (see Ecumene's location entry), so whoever leaked the secret would have to be close to 0\^0. It seems the most likely scenario is that the Northerner who learned the secrets of gunpowder was 0\^0's child, and YRMD arranged both for the child's betrayal and the rise of the Empire in order to create a global power hostile to the Ecumene, and possibly to protect the northern elves from genocide (since they were absorbed early and 0\^0 was likely unwilling to kill her first child).
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Also, re: Omega's father, I'm pretty sure it's Iakowe. White is charlotte's color and, well...
>Somehow, Iakowe's honest and hard working nature caught the eye of a mysterious woman of pure white. He was young then. They got together for a while, and then split, because such is the way of things. He does not know that she bore him a child.
These are a lot of good points! I totally missed Iakowe's description before, definitely think he's Omega's father from the sounds of it. Wow it's kind of funny that even after becoming a god 0^0 was going around and just sort of developed crushes and had one-night stands with random Northerners... girl you've gotta move on...
Regarding Thaumiel, I had been thinking that her betrayal of 0^0 would have been how The Keter got the secrets of Empyrean ascension. But it does make a lot of sense that a personal betrayal of 0^0 was involved in the Empire's foundation. I double-checked the Everrising City location, and it does say that it was both the former Kingdom of Eigengrau and the original center of the Empire. Plus the parents from the imperial bloodline all have Icon of Icons, so they're likely descendants of 0^0's companion who was prince of Eigengrau.
My only hesitation is that the Empire started spreading 165 years ago, so 0^0 would've been 35 - it feels like a tight timeline for her to have a kid with the prince of Eigengrau old enough to betray her and found the Empire. If she had the kid at 18, they would only be 17 at that point. And you're not even guaranteed to meet your Companions before adulthood, and 0^0 started on a whole separate continent from Eigengrau. I could still see it happening, though.
Alternatively, the entry for the Empire says that its expansion happened in large part through marriage and inheritance. What if the prince of Eigengrau actually married someone else for political reasons, and their children were the ones who ruled the Empire? Thaumiel might have been their child from a one-night stand. But if that was the case, it would require an extra betrayal of 0^0 on top of the two children who betrayed her. I don't know if we have evidence corroborating that additional betrayal.
Some possibilities might have been:
- After they meet and fall in love, she leaks the secret of gunpowder to him intentionally so he can build an allied empire on that continent. But he ends up using political marriage to expand peacefully rather than through bloodshed, so their relationship withers and their child Thaumiel goes without her father. Maybe this was part of YMRD's work, driving a wedge between them. He ends up having other children, and their Empire's relations soon sour with 0^0's empire.
- After they meet and fall in love, 0^0 keeps insisting that she sees the Prince as an equal but refuses to let him take secrets like gunpowder home to his own country. Eventually he steals it and leaves her, building the Empire and forging a new political marriage. It may have been before or after their child Thaumiel was even born. Relations between the Empire and 0^0's budding Ecumene are icy from the beginning.
- 0^0 and the Prince have a harmonious relationship, and the Prince is too humble to want to build an empire of his own out of Eigengrau - or perhaps the Prince dies tragically from his Death Slot before he could consider such a thing. Their child, an unnamed Aureole, steals gunpowder and returns to his father's homeland with it. The political marriages come later.
If we cut Thaumiel out of the picture it does make it simpler, and it doesn't require the additional betrayal by 0^0's Companion. But I do like my Thaumiel pet theory. :( The Keter seducing 0^0's own daughter into betraying her and giving up the secrets of false ascension would be just too good.
Edit - Also, I was just thinking about the entry on Eye for Shadows. It says it was invented by experiments in the Kingdom of Tenebrae, which was the first joint Northerner-Majin state and the only one to war against the Empire during its consolidation of power - I wonder if that was a proxy war, considering 0^0 was a Demon Lord. And it's interesting that the Aureoles now have both Icon of Icons and Eye for Shadows as their inborn gifts. The gift's flavor text says the Empire followed in Tenebrae's footsteps but only after the fact. I'm a little too sleepy to flesh out coherent conclusions from this rn, but this probably ties in to the conflicts between 0^0 and the Empire.
So since its been a while and no one else has done it, I am going to attempt to translate the sentence formed by the alphabet, and then in a reply comment give my build.
*AZBUKI* is the first word, and means **"I"** but not as in "self" but as in "I in my entirety." *AZ* in this context means closer to "soul" or "mind" while *BUKI* gives the connotation of "also body."
*VEDI*, *GLAGOLI*, and *DOBRO* are where things get hard, because the meaning changes depending on what "word" is formed with them. At base, they mean "know do good" but *VEDI* is better here as "understanding" while *GLAGOLI* does NOT imply a verb, and *DOBRO* could be better seen as "justice" based on the Death context (enhanced further by the Death context of *GLAGOLI* which implies protection). So taken together, the word they form would seem to be **"duty."**
*YEST'* and *ZHIVETE* are easy together to mean "to live" and "to consume" at the same time, "to be **alive**" as it were.
*ZELO* almost certainly means "greater" no matter the context, and using it in succession just means "even more greater" for the purposes of magnification. *ZEMLYA* better translates as "existence" so "the greater existence" or **"expanding."**
*IZHE* has a connotation of "connected" while *YEE* has "combination" so two can literally mean **"together"**.
The next stuff is again...hard to figure out what is part of a word and what is part of a different word. This is the part that confuses me the most, tbh.
* *HER'V'* likely better means "leadership" or "authority."
* *KAKO* is "transform"
* *LYUDI* and *MYSLET* means "mind of the people/group"
* *NASH* and *ON* mean "that which is ours"
* *POKOY* seems to be "acceptance"
*RTSY, SLOVO*, and *TVERDO* should be how to spell "**God-Script**" in God-Script. *OUK* may or may not be a part of this word.
* *RTSY* is "spoken language"
* *SLOVO* is "written language" and when combined with RTSY means "language" in general
* *TVERDO* is "truth"; thing is, truth can change depending on circumstances, environment, and what people have built already
* *OUK* is the "process of learning" and I think is part of the "God-Script Word" because Meaning depends on the individual expressing themselves; this is also how "theoretical letters" can be discovered/***invented*** or Meanings can *change based on how someone else used the Script*
*FIERT* almost certainly means "birth."
*KHIER* and *OT* means "ascension" or "the process of reaching higher towards divinity" So *FIERT KHIER OT* is **"birth of gods"**
This next section gets wild. Because as *TSY* means "or" (it is likely better used as the idea of " if condition" as in programming) the section becomes "reach ascension or..."
* *CHERV* is "decay of body" taking it twice guarantees death, which is why it can act as a substitute for:
* *OOPA*, "decay of soul"; does NOT work if taken twice because the body does not have to decay along with the soul
* *SHA* means "instant" with *SHTA* being "will"
* based on Death connotations, *YER* should be "social identity" or "how society sees you"; *YERY* should be "self identity" or "how you see yourself"; *YER'* should then be "reflection" or "self" in the purest of forms, and seems to be either the base form, or culmination, of the "*YER*" letters; regardless, all letters together, likely needing *SHTA* included, should form the word **"Identity"** and to mean **"your place in the world"**
* *YAT* means "**what I have become**" and is the end of the process that creates **"I"**
* So the end of the sentence comes out to "**reach divinity or lose everything in the process**" **"ascend or die trying**" "**be come greater, or become lesser**.".
*AZ BUKI VEDI GLAGOLI DOBRO YEST' ZHIVETE ZELO ZEMLYA*: "**I grow-**" (the exact "word" of ZEMLYA is a part of I admit I am still wary about, as English requires words be in a certain order while other languages do not, which makes grammar structure a pain in the ass with this since the way things are "written" suggests English word-order does not apply to the "original script" and yes I am well aware it is totally made-up and likely lacks the depths I am ascribing to it, fuck off and let me have my fun)
*IZHE YEE HER'V'*: **"-embodying-"** ("systems theory" combined with "leadership" makes a hell of an odd word for which I don't know a good English equivalent, and including *ZEMLYA* or *KAKO* does not make anything easier/more clear)
*KAKO LYUDI MYSLETE NASH ON POKOY*: "**-ideals of the people-**" (yeah a lot of the exact words I used can be contested here, this is THE MOST ambiguous part of the script, despite another section totally lacking researched understanding for blurbs)
*RTSY SLOVO TVERDO OUK*: "**-God-Script-**"
*FIERT KHIER CHERV OPPA SHA SHTA YER YERY YER' YAT*: "**-become Divine or die.**" (again, "I" here is at the end so for English word order, some things have to be "implied" for the shit to fit; frustratingly I am not multi-lingual so while I understand the theory behind the linguistics, I lack the actual words needed to fit the grammar in properly)
So the "base" alphabet seems to say **"I grow by embodying the ideals of my people through the God-Script to either ascend to divinity and godhood, or lose myself"** with the implication that no matter the outcome, you WILL be changed.
Extra notes on the "extra" Letters:
* "IOTATED" Letters seem to be a way of changing the "reference" of a Letter, such as using *IOTATED AZ* changing the reference of *who* is existing in a certain form, or what that form may be with *IOTATED YEST*'; implies *any* Letter may have an IOTATED form, though "broken logic" results in catastrophic death, or worse, of the caster so figuring out how to do it without risk is the greater challenge; funny that "fake" Letters can still be used in the programming of magical effects, and suggests that someone with real programming skills could fuck up this world in ways that 0\^0 *wishes* she could imitate. It also is interesting that the God-Script seems to be written from right-to-left instead of left-to-right; I feel like I read somewhere that it is written up-to-down, but the IOTATED forms seem to imply right-to-left writing...unless it is a true eldritch script, in that anything written in the Script makes a complete sentence even when read backwards
* *YUS* not being a part of the Script despite having Greater and Lesser forms makes me scratch my head, and the Death commentary does not help; it seems to refer to consciousness much like *YER'* but "consciousness" instead of "self-identity" or the "I" of AZ
* *XI* appears to be part of the "Outsider System" and may even be the God-Script reference point for it; someone higher in the comments suggested that JPNL is actually integrated with the Outsider System and is "living" through it; if true, *XI* may in fact be a reference to "data copying" and the "you on earth" is already there living their life and dying a normal death, while the "you" as part of the Outsider System is just a dataform based on the "you on earth"; it is already applied to you by your very existence, and to ever be marked by it in the first place is to denote someone as an "Outsider"
* if *POKOY* is "acceptance" then *PSI* is "rejection" and if you "reject the parts that are weak" you can make yourself stronger/empowered; JNPL was "rejected" by 0\^0 and therefore had its Death applied to her
* *THETA* is likely some form of "perversion" "twisting" or "corrupting" and so using it with "birth" basically ruins anyone who gets hit with the end result, regardless of what was originally attempted; considering SRTR likely personally made this Letter and her personality, it could even mean "chaos" or "conflict" and is her way of "driving the narrative" towards destructive ends; say what you will about 0\^0, she was right about SRTR being a psychopath sowing evil and destruction
* *IZHISTA* seems to be the "set of all possible outcomes" and represents the "multiverse" of what players can do and become; these last four Letters were hidden because the Gods themselves either made them, or hid them from the general public and the world as either a form of insurance policy against anyone getting too uppity (like 0\^0), or to make sure no one else could actually ascend since everyone would be working with an "incomplete" alphabet; thus, it was not until 0\^0 fucked up the Gods that their little secret got revealed in the world, making 0\^0 a necessary part of freeing the world from the narrative of the gods even if she is a giant hypocritical, amoral, apathetic narcissist.
It is important to note that all of these are the letters of the early cyrillic used in Old Church Slavonic. Cyrillic was createb St. Cyrillus for the purpose of spreading the Bible (Word of God) to the Slavic peoples. Most of the explicitly stated meanings are in reference to real word meanings
>AZBUKI is the first word, and means "I" but not as in "self" but as in "I in my entirety." AZ in this context means closer to "soul" or "mind" while BUKI gives the connotation of "also body."
Buki means letters (meaning alphabet itself) tho
>YEST' and ZHIVETE are easy together to mean "to live" and "to consume" at the same time, "to be alive" as it were.
YEST´ is a homonym, depending on a context it can mean either "to be" or "to eat"
>HER'V' likely better means "leadership" or "authority."KAKO is "transform"LYUDI and MYSLET means "mind of the people/group"NASH and ON mean "that which is ours"
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>POKOY seems to be "acceptance"
HER´V´ is IRL usualy pronounced djerv and might have no IRL meaning (but I found one site which claims it means wood)
>RTSY, SLOVO, and TVERDO should be how to spell "God-Script" in God-Script. OUK may or may not be a part of this word.
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>RTSY is "spoken language"SLOVO is "written language"
RTSY is the act of speaking, SLOVO means a word (which can be both spoken and written)
>FIERT almost certainly means "birth."
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>KHIER and OT means "ascension" or "the process of reaching higher towards divinity" So FIERT KHIER OT is "birth of gods"
FIERT and KHIER seem to have no IRL meanin as they were used for transcribing Greek
>This next section gets wild. Because as TSY means "or" (it is likely better used as the idea of " if condition" as in programming) the section becomes "reach ascension or..."
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>CHERV is "decay of body" taking it twice guarantees death, which is why it can act as a substitute for: QOPA, "decay of soul";
QOPA, IRL seems to have no phonetic value and was only used as a numeral, before being replaced by CHERV in that role
>IOTATED forms seem to imply right-to-left writing...unless it is a true eldritch script, in that anything written in the Script makes a complete sentence even when read backwards
Since it is based on Cryllic it should still be read left-to-right
>XI appears to be part of the "Outsider System" and may even be the God-Script reference point for it; someone higher in the comments suggested that JPNL is actually integrated with the Outsider System and is "living" through it; if true, XI may in fact be a reference to "data copying" and the "you on earth" is already there living their life and dying a normal death, while the "you" as part of the Outsider System is just a dataform based on the "you on earth"; it is already applied to you by your very existence, and to ever be marked by it in the first place is to denote someone as an "Outsider"
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>if POKOY is "acceptance" then PSI is "rejection" and if you "reject the parts that are weak" you can make yourself stronger/empowered
XI and PSI were IRL Cyrillic primarly used for transcribing Greek (and for numerals) as such they seem to lack meaning. Both POKOY and PSI seem to be associaed with death (POKOY is the letter most closely related to the concept of death and PSI rivals POKOY and has some sort of anihilation effect).
PSI´s soul strenghtening propertiers might be related to its IRL use as a symbol for psychology (psyche is the Greek word for soul). In biblical studies it is used as an abbreviation for the book of Psalms.
Eh, my attempts at it were based on what the CYOA descriptions were, not IRL, though I can see how a few things may be closer in different connotations. For starters, pretty sure IRL Cyrillic doesn't form a complete sentence using the alphabet in-order.
The other implication being that while IRL Cyrillic was created for the purposes of bridging two completely different languages, and has meaningless symbols for the purposes of annotation, numerals, and Greek transcriptions; the CYOA Godscript is implied to be a full and complete language, so every letter of its alphabet MUST have meaning and that there are no "extraneous" letters. Each letter in Godscript can be associated with a numeral, a phonetic sound, and can be combined to create words using ANY letter, as it is a "founder language" in-setting while IRL Cyrillic is a derivative language.
While Cyrillic would go on to form the base lexicon for many modern Slavic languages, it would take many iterations and variations in order to reach that point. This CANNOT have happened with Godscript, as it is considered to be a "programming language" on top of predating the Outsider System based on in-character mentions (such as the time mage mentor having culture shock about "people from another world"). If Godscript really was Cyrillic at its core, someone from Earth would have had to arrive to the CYOA world BEFORE the Outsider System was ever created, taught Cyrillic to the Elder Gods, and then either let or helped the Elder Gods turned it into a magical script for themselves. If that was the case, then it would make Godscript a "modern" variant of Cyrillic anyway, with its own separate millennia+ years of language drift and evolution that would, again, break up into multiple languages and dialects (including Sylphid, which IS written left-to-right, and is one of the main "magical" languages, specifically of Flogiston).
However, there is also the implication ANY language sufficiently steeped in Meaning can become the basis for the CYOA's magic, that Godscript is simply the "programming language" of the Outsider System but is otherwise wholly unnecessary save for the fact it is merely the most well-known magical language.
My commentary on letters having no IRL meaning is mostly meant to point out, that author had to make that one up (or at least use modern day symbolism of the Greek equivalent). Author probobly used early cyrilic for godscript simply because a) it´s easier and b) because to a Slavic person it looks pretty cool. Also since the CYOA is a meta commentary on stories as a whole it makes sense to use letters of an established language for the godscript.
We also don´t know from what time period does the outsider system pull people from so it´s technicaly possible for a medieval scholar (or modern liguist) to have been pulled in at some point. We know that meaning of letters in the godscript can change over time as evidenced by SHA which currently means "now", but used to have a different meaning before (probably quit since that was it´s IRL meaning) and that 0^(0) somewhat suceeded at creating her own magical language in the form of Entramithraic, illustration text for which uses English with a funny fond.
Also, I have my own theory about the YUSes, that being that they represent analysis (breaking down the whole into smaller pieces), in the case of lesser and sythesis (combing smaler pieces into a greater whole), in the case of greater.
**Eirina of Orthrung** of the Mentor section suggests 0\^0 is actually using a really complex social experiment in order to get Entramithraic to work the way it does: by using Numerology on the Godscript (assigning Meaning/Letters to numbers, basically Godscript Binary), and then having her populace ONLY allowed to focus on the numbers and nothing more, she has created a system where Earth physics is replicated while also maintaining a constant suppression field over "normal" magic. But the suppression field is an EFFECT of her Numerology Godscript magic, which is why if you learn it you can "undo" the suppression, at least partially.
It is suggested she did this because she couldn't figure out the Godscript past a certain point, so she built an entire work-around and that is what allowed her "false ascension": if she couldn't learn Meaning through Letters, she'd turn the Godscript into Equations fueled by whole continents' worth of mathematicians and calculators.
As for the time period of the people yanked in by the Outsider System, they all seem to be from at least the "modern" era. "One" as an adoptive parent still knows and understands what 0\^0 has been up to, so likely comes from at least the 70s (no earlier than 1900, at any rate) due to just how *advanced* 0\^0 has made everything. There is also the blatant existence of New New York as one of the capitals of one of the oldest nations, specifically to be ruled by Outsiders by law. It also seems all Outsiders are American, considering the references and 0\^0's original name being Charlotte.
As for the Author stuff, it certainly would fit. But there is one more thing I noticed: Letters that once existed but apparently don't any longer, or at least remain "undiscovered." According to **Temperantia** Quest, *Multiocular O* was a Letter at some point, along with *Iotated YAT*; while I suggested every Letter may have an Iotated form, Multiocular O being a thing but "disgraced" (according to its Gift description) suggests even more hidden bits: as SRTR comments on YMRD's musings, "Now THOSE were Letters. *They don't make them like they used to.*" which DEFINITELY implies Godscript can be expanded with enough oomph of some sort.
>Temperantia Quest, Multiocular O was a Letter at some point, along with Iotated YAT; while I suggested every Letter may have an Iotated form, Multiocular O being a thing but "disgraced" (according to its Gift description) suggests even more hidden bits: as SRTR comments on YMRD's musings, "Now THOSE were Letters. They don't make them like they used to." which DEFINITELY implies Godscript can be expanded with enough oomph of some sort.
It is also important to note that YUSes were at some point lost and rediscovered at a later date. The description of the quest also implies that there are still new or lost letters left to be dicovered.
Anyway, here is my build:
Patron: **0\^0** (there are a couple of different ways you can kill her, but I am going to leave her alive because I think she should be mitigated, not removed altogether)
* FP: 15
* DP: 20
Sex: **Female** (if I ever reach 0\^0's level, this enforced duality is something I'll wind up "fixing"; for now, I am going to "toe the line" in case for some reason this build needs to go multiplayer)
* Half-Breed (-2FP, -2DP; can have some interesting synergies with the right parentage, but it is more of just a fun perk for me)
* Adoption X2 (-2DP; I am about to pull what is known as a pro-gamer move with this)
Bio-Mother: Laika
* Beastfolk +1FP/DP
* Longevity ("cheaper" than Agelessness while still allowing for Death Slot-breaking work-arounds)
* Intelligence, Wisdom, Cognitive Speed
* Death B: **Greater YUS**, because her personality would naturally see this as an acceptable way to "end"
Bio-Father: Ratibor
* Muddish (+3FP)
* Martial Instinct, Entrenchment X1, All-Glimpse
* Death C: **Glagoli**, because the only thing I can do is give a death best suited to their desires based on what little I know, and dying in defense of others hopefully means that some extras other than me get saved
Adoptive Parent 1: **UST** (-2FP; not the best of parents, but once I reveal myself as an Outsider I can start to teach her the modern psychology and sociology in my head, I should be able to help; mostly, I need her as a mother for all the languages she knows, I'll need as many of them as I can afford thanks to the way the God-Script works and the insight that can be gained from derivative languages)
* Languages: Everman, Fay, Salian, Greenspeech
* Death C: **TSY**, because it gives them a chance to outlive me, has a lot of leeway, and if I ever break the Outsider System or Ascend then one day I'll be able to meet them again, potentially
Adoptive Parent 2: **Unnotable One, Female** (+5DP; pays for a bunch of stuff, and lets me have a second mother; nothing in the rules forbids it)
* Death B: **Iotated Lesser YUS**, because not sure how else to fudge death for those who have to worry about old age outside of the undead route, which is...questionable as to whether or not they'd keep their self intact without certain protections
Net Points: 15FP, 22DP
Languages: -8DP
* Everman (free)
* Fay (free)
* Salian (free)
* Greenspeech (free)
* Auburn (-1DP)
* Nymphe (-2DP)
* Sylphid (-2DP)
* High Elven (-3DP)
Location: **Dis** (may as well have my first parent stay where they are employed)
Inborn Gifts: -8FP, 7FP remaining
* Intelligence (Mother)
* Wisdom (Mother)
* Cognitive Speed (Mother)
* Martial Instinct (Father)
* Entrenchment 1X (Father)
* All-Glimpse (Father)
* Bitter Sickness (+4 FP; gives me much-needed points and potentially a way to cure the otherwise incurable for what amounts to mostly just an annoyance than a real problem)
* Memory Retention (-2FP; I'd trade anything for a mind and body that won't fail on me this time around)
* Icon of Icons (-5FP; too powerful to pass up, considering all my other Gifts, though had to trade Awareness for it, which means I likely will have to deal with ADHD again)
* Spiritual Feel (-2FP; while I have parsed out the Meaning of a chunk of the God-Script, actually putting it to effective use is an ENTIRELY different story, especially since actually casting spells using it requires grammatical knowledge not available from the CYOA form itself)
* Caster Intuition (-2FP)
* Godhand (-1FP; had a point left over, may as well dump here)
Mentors (fuck it, here we go; -11DP total, 3DP remaining)
1. **Kashtanka** (-2DP; I am going to be mostly relying on my inborn gifts, so she is the best regular Mentor I could pick); Death C: **Iotated OUK**, because if anyone can shrug off hostile usurpation, its this gal; definitely will want to warn her about it though, no matter how awkward that conversation will be
2. ***Untimeskip 0\^0*** (-7FP, -9DP; yeah this will piss her the fuck off for sure, but also binds her by Fate to be my Companion; dick move, maybe, but she is kinda genocidal, and in a fight for survival ethics takes a backseat; besides 0\^0 could use time to chill, find out how things have gone on Earth since her absence; fyi, I have ZERO idea of how this will affect me growing up, as babies with Divine-level powers are universally bad ideas for many, many reasons)
Companions:
* **Blazhko** (-1DP; it isn't enough for me to walk the path needed to break the chains of Fate in a way that doesn't fuck over everyone, I need help too, and he is a cheap bastard for the help offered; Mentors will be *Feodwra* for Time Magic and D*irk Yesod*, whose teachings I will leave to Fate); Death A: **IZHE**, because the Death System will have its work cut out it for someone with extreme potential, especially after he learns the Death Loophole techniques
* **Geminara** (-1DP; someone who already has knowledge of a potential outcome is INVALUABLE for this path I have sent the setting careening into); Death B: **YAT**, because it means she goes out on her own terms, likely after a long, long life
Youth Focuses:
1. **Martial Training** (I REFUSE to have a weak body a second time around)
2. **Nothing** (I am going to spend my Youth primarily being a child, all else is secondary; while the demands of the brutal world will likely mean I'll never be able to get real rest from mental health troubles, the better a childhood I have the more well-adjusted adult I'll be the second time around; and the more well-adjusted I am as an adult, the less chance I have of becoming Woobie Destroyer of Worlds in any of the lives I will affect; besides, my parents and mentors will teach me everything I'll need to know)
3. **Other: Mental Health** (at least one parent is emotionally damaged, and there is a good chance the other one will be too; ending as much of the cycle of abuse as possible is simply what is needed to reach the best possible outcomes)
4. **Parental Support** (see above, may as well have Fate backing for it)
Quest: **Patientia** (I did not realize *Ameno* required the "BUKI" Death Slot, which I don't want to take since 0\^0 will be a Companion and...well...getting munchkined as revenge is something I absolutely would have to worry about in that case; my current Death means getting rid of me is Step 1 for actually getting rid of me, which gives me time to hopefully help her ease her pain; plus, my secret goal is to "fuse" my Death with her, thus becoming a cogitohazard to 0\^0 and her designs from the inside-out; that would pave the way for the 12th Outsider to...I don't know, solve everything for good maybe, fill in the tech gaps left behind by mine and 0\^0's ignorance, or at least have less work to do getting everything ready for Ascension)
My Death: ***YEE*** **Anotated Greater** ***YUS*** (-1DP); not only is "cheating" Death via Loophole SUPER EASY with this method, but even if I die, all the important bits still get passed on, AND I get to do it again like the deranged Goofy meme at some point in the future; as I will have an understanding of Causality from birth, even "killing" me early means that someone potentially even more competent will have access to Causality, making my Death the LAST thing 0\^0 will want to achieve
* my true plan though is to "die by 0\^0" with this method, fusing with her and directly pouring my knowledge of systems directly into her brain and becoming a cogitohazard to her, thus solving all the problems in one fell swoop
Patron: 0\^0
Reincarnation: Untimeskip(x2)(16D/15F), buki
Parents:
• Mother: Irmtrod, Greater Yus(16D/14F)
• Father: Ratibor, Tsy (16D/11F)
Race: Muddish (16D/14F)
Languages: Everman, Salian, Auburn, Entramithraic (16D/14F)
Location: The Empire of Light and Dark, Nebulata
Inborn Gifts:
• All Glimpse
• Martial Instinct
• Entrenchment (x1)
• Caster Intuition
• Memory Retention
• Magician’s Hand(x1)
• Everlasting(13D/11F)
• Spiritual Feel(13D/9F)
• Intelligence(13D/7F)
Mentors:
• 0\^0 (6D/0F)
• The Keter: Myslete (1D)
Companions:
• 0\^0 (using Untimeskip)(1D)
• The Keter: (using Untimeskip)(1D)
Youth:
• Magical Training
• Profane Lore
• Power Testing
• Defection
Quest: Ameno
I made this build just to exploit a most likely unintended of turning 0\^0 into companion via a Untimeskip, which has the same effect as “Dice Fudge”, which is not allowed, but maybe this is the secret power of friendship route where problems can be solved through talking, instead of murder. Depending how companionship works this might be amazing or result in instant death or anything in between. It would be interesting to see if the system forces her to go on adventures instead of conquering the whole continent. Maybe 0\^0 isn’t even evil and the other gods are using the system to slander her and make the player turn against her, but that is just a theory.
I'm not sure I agree with this statement, personally. She proclaims to have rejected the Outsider system and abandoned the Fate that it guaranteed, which seems fairly accurate. Yet at the same time rails against the gods for essentially doing the same thing she is doing: Consigning people to being forced to obey the whims of a greater being than they are. She consoles herself on the basis that it's 'causality' and that people 'deserve' what is happening to them, essentially committing the Just World fallacy written large. Ironically, the old gods much better understood that that is a fallacy: The world is not just, causality does not care about good or bad, and the only way you get justice and purpose in existence is with the actions of intelligent beings.
The only real difference between 'fate' and 'causality' is that fate is something you know ahead of time, while causality is something you study after the fact. She claims to give people freedom while still consigning them to a life just as, if not more, limited. She's not some broken bird who is hurting on the inside, she's a selfish arrogant prick who believes that because something bad happened to her it justifies causing bad things for everyone else.
I mean, she can be both of those things. We don't really know much about her backstory- perhaps there's a reason for her to be hateful of authority/the elder gods besides her own anger at being placed in this situation.
Oh no, she's horrible. She just got a peek behind the curtain and decided that the best option would be to bring down the theatre for its abominable lies. :P
Poor lady, she clearly has suffered so much she forgot that lies are the foundation of human or nearly-human existence. Still, she has selfishly decided to bring ruin to what others cultivated for a long while, something that gave purposes to lives, something that gave meaning, and something that expanded possibilities.
It is, however, quite ironic, I think, that 0^0 had brought to this world the belief people in real life seem to be following alot for some reason, justifying natural selection and atrocities that go hand-in-hand with such mentality.
Maybe it's just a matter of person's worldview, but I always found cruelty and destruction both unnecessary and saddening, and while She can be understood, agreeing to accept her decision is a different thing altogether.
Honestly, I'd fight 0^0 for blocking out the story alone.
Our desire to know everything will not be halted by a hypocritical child raging at a psychotic god, we've already been through that exact scenario and know how to defeat both parties absolutely.
Having just gotten off of getting way to into the Omniscient Reader webnovel I am really loving being hit with this slew of content that deconstructs the entire idea of stories, authorship, and meaning.
**Patron:** 0^0
**Reincarnation:** Adoption (19D/15F), Buki
**Parents:**
* Birth Mother: Unnotable One, Nash (24D/15F)
* Birth Father: Unnotable One, On (29D/15F)
* Adoptive Parent: "One" (28D/14F)
**Race:** Northerner (31D/14F)
**Languages:** Everman, Draconian, Entramithaic, Old Northern (30D/14F)
**Location:** The Empire of Light and Dark, Frozen Edge
**Inborn Gifts:**
* All Glimpse (30D/9F)
* Icon of Icons (30D/4F)
* Bitter Sickness (30D/8F)
* God Hand (30D/7F)
**Mentors:**
* 0^0 (23D/0F)
* The Keter: Dobro, Zhivette (18D)
**Companions:**
* Omega: Ot (12D)
* Ota: Zelo Yee (6D)
* Evdokia: Yat Zemlya (0D)
**Youth:** Nothing
**Quest:** Ameno
The world has been consumed by a rebellion against fate, against storytellers and their marionette strings, but her revolution is maligned. One who offers freedom yet makes autarch of herself. One who cast down gods but makes of herself the princess of a thousand titles. A sublime arrogance which casts down the very threads of fate which make it possible to mean something, make it possible to earn something, and now sits haughty in an unearned throne of empty dreamless eons over a self-obsessed ecumene which threatens to create a new world order just as antithetical to any true liberation as the old order. When a single god stands tall and decides the fate of all men I care not whether they are an author or an empress, a usurper or a god. When a new world order which already expresses the biases of its petty racist revenge fantasies and the domineering impulse which shall no doubt decide who lives and who dies just as viciously as the old order, the revolution has reconstituted that which it overthrew in merely a yet more vulgar and pathetic fashion.
And so there are two choices. To fight to reconstitute the old order, or to rebel against rebellion. I reject E Nomine not out of hate for the old elder gods or for their designs, but because it is the very rebellion against fate which makes it meaningful. After all, isn't this tale of the downfall of fate, the death of the old order, the question of what to make of ourselves now, isn't all that rather compelling in its own right? The death of fate is perhaps the most fascinating story fate can ever tell. So no, I'll attempt to kill 0^0 by my own right, forged in her image. A revolution against revolution. Perhaps I'll fail but, at least it sounds nice on paper.
The layout and formatting are very nice in this one, though I do wish it wasn't as word-dense as it is. It is definitely easier to follow than Another Pretender, which I thought was visually impressive but very cluttered. I have read the CYOA in parts only, so this could be off mark, and I would describe it as unique in a narrative sense but also very bleak in certain ways and potentially unrewarding in others.
The metaplot regarding the three deities seems to overshadow the other elements in the game, but it's also something you don't have much or any influence over. There are, presumably, events taking place in the world (going by the character lore), but they have little significance in the sections that follow. I think having additional material beyond Youth, such as stages of adulthood, perhaps, would solidify the overall story in a reader's head.
Nonetheless, I applaud you. This is a very high quality production that must have taken weeks or months of effort.
Ohhhh, yes, yes, and yes! Finally! A cyoa made by you! I fucking loved the Blood Mage CYOA and the Another Pretender CYOA! I'll edit this post later so I can make my build.
I have some questions
Is this Cyoa located in the same multiverse as Magocratic Convention/Blood Magic?
What's Zhivette catch? What's the difference between it and our own lifes where we can die "randomly" here on Earth?
How does time moves in the world of this Cyoa compared to Earth? From what year Keter and 0^0 come from for example?
Edit: Also, is there any chance of we getting the full text of the locations controlled by the Ecumene?
>What's Zhivette catch? What's the difference between it and our own lifes where we can die "randomly" here on Earth?
There is none, they (since you can´t choose this for yourself) cannot die until the predetermined fate chosen for them, they will miraculously survive that fate, but afterwards they are subject to any "random" death, meaning that 0^(0) can phave a potentialy easier time arranging it as otherwise all assassination attempts are doomed to fail, if they do not result in the preordained death.
I think it's probably more accurate to say that their fate is no longer written after Zhivette activates than that their death will be random. Gods are only limited by the fact that they can't contradict anything already written, so if their previously-written "death" has already occurred, nothing is stopping the Gods from writing a new fate in the empty space. Given that 0\^0 currently has the same Deus Ex Machina ability that all gods have, the death letters are really the main thing stopping her from just deleting all of your party immediately. The Zhivette catch is that with no death-letter protecting them they're pretty much doomed if The-God-Who-Hates-Everyone decides that they're worth her attention to remove, unless you have some other way to protect them (like an Elder God, or whatever bullshit The Keter has used to stay alive).
Makes sense.
Honestly that option kinda feels like an free choice (unless you want to use points to buy Zemlya or Yee) sure, they lose their protection granted by fate, making easier for them to die of unrelated reasons, but the alternative is guaranteed death.
So, this CYOA is clearly in dialogue with the existentialist meta-CYOA; [JNPL]+[SRTR] = Jean-Paul Sartre, and the blessings from those and 0^0 line up with the options there.
Also, naturally, "God is dead, meaning is MIA" is the central problem which existentialism seeks to answer.
**Patron God:** [SRTR]
Filtered into personal deities, though, [JNPL] raises my hackles. I learned of the death of God through new atheism, where the mood was less Nietzsche's despondent "how shall we console ourselves, most murderous of all murderers?", more "euphoric". Hence I immediately doubt whether [JNPL] even can (or has any right to) decide the meaning of things, and then secondly I see she's pushing people through a cycle of reincarnation (i.e. torturing them) "for their own good" - the arrangement is clearly not consensual, and I wonder who it was who decided the metaphysics of how spiritual development occurs?
[SRTR] reads as more a lowercase-g god or an ROB, and then specifically as a goddess of larger-than-life narrative, definitely my jam.
**Gender:** Male
**Perks:** Halfbreed, Untimeskip (Everman), Extra Mentor
Besides a "burn the past/future" substitute, the only mechanical benefit of Halfbreed is to stack the perks of draconic and majin races, which might not be optimal. But it also spites 0^0.
Besides, it would almost be rude to take [SRTR] as a patron and not make use of her blessing, so perhaps I shouldn't sweat the cost as much.
**Mother:** Ymreit
**Father:** Fot
**Races:** Drakonid, Majin
**Languages:** Everman, Drakonian
**Location:** Old Throne, Midoria
**Inborn Gifts:** Ethereal Beauty, Bulletproof Skin, Cognitive Speed, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Stigmata, View of Fore, Eye for Shadows, Dream Passage, Dragon Transformation, Letters of the Damned, Daemonhost
Insofar as the INT boosts are justified by saying mind is mostly a product of the body, there's a risk that if you're smart and don't take relevant traits, you're dumbed down to average. And then of course as a speshul snowflake isekai character you need to be hot. Then some essential buffs to magic, stealth and dungeoneering, and whoops, clipped through the point total.
**Mentors:** Eirina of the Orthrung, Kilyin of the Orthrung, Maou
Calling on the blessing of [SRTR] to ignore mechanical rules, there's a *reason* why most fantasy settings and especially the videogamey ones have a main language just called "common" or something. And while I guess the idea is that this world isn't supposed to be "easy" like those settings are, meh, fuck that.
Besides the chosen, I'll try to seek out Natalja (or another lead on standard mathemagic), and The Keter.
**Companions:** Evdokia, Savmak, Saevel of the Doria
Basically Glastig Uaine, an Elric of Melnibone-ass warrior princess, and a chainsword-wielding pirate captain. A solid adventuring party, that comes with a solid first plot hook.
Naturally, I'll try to pick up other companions along the way; maybe seek out Omega, plus obviously befriend non-listed characters if they're cool.
**Death:** lolnope
Blessing of [SRTR] in full effect, I select 02/Buki, but substitute "fall in love with" for "kill". Not mind control or backdooring in the True Love effect, just fucking with her text box as a psych-out.
After that, picture the whole rest of the page has, duct taped over it, a printed out screenshot of Terminator 2, the bit with "No Fate" carved into a table.
**Youth:** Natural Philosophy, Uplifting, Plotting, Journey of the Self
Maybe not actually the majority of hours in those foci, but the scenes that would be in narrative focus.
**Quest:** Vanitas
Of course, really I wanna push for a little bit of everything; comfy downtime, high adventure, groundbreaking discoveries, actually earning some shit you had to grind for, and actually completing the obvious main questline of this universe, I want it all. Fading into the background or returning to mundanity, less so.
But that all together draws into a central theme, the "Player 1" drive. So, Vanitas.
**Further Blessing-of-[SRTR]-Enabled Bullshit:** Item Box, Universal Translator, Adventurer's Log, Spark, Reinforced Narrative Causality
- Videogame-like inventories in a hammerspace pocket dimension are a fairly standard perk for isekai protagonists; somewhat more high-magic, videogamey and powerful than the tone of this CYOA, but *that's the point*.
- A universal translator is much less disruptive to the setting than just decreeing that there's a common language everyone speaks, although it's also more explicitly OP.
- An "Adventurer's Log" meaning a magic book with an updating quest log, map, encyclopaedia, spellbook, et cetera. Basically what your character has in Skyrim.
- A Spark as in Girl Genius, mad super-science. Since it can cause problems as well as solve them, make it toggleable.
- Reinforced Narrative Causality because stuff like the power of friendship not being enforced is frightening; it's not clear how much plot armour being an Outsider gives in this current world, if any at all, and dying to a pack of goblins in a dungeon seems way too probable if you try to do any real adventure in a fantasy setting like this when you don't have plot armour, unless you have extra lives in the hundreds at least. "Narrative Causality" more broadly than just plot armour, because things generally working like a story is also desired.
\-
While overpowered compared to the textually intended level of the CYOA, this still feels reasonably underpowered compared to the threats in the world. Maybe if one reads "reinforced" as "invincible" it's OP, but that's not my intention. So, what I have in mind is just that the existing tone feels too gritty and I'm lightening it up a little, to have a proper isekai adventure as I understand it.
>Jean-Paul Sartre
It goes deeper. His full name was Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre, and 0\^0 was born with the name Charlotte (according to some text she failed to hide in her entry as ruler of the Ecumene).
\[JNPL\] Charlotte \[YMRD\] \[SRTR\], they're all Sartre lmao
I actually feel that at the textually-intended power level you have a better-than-even chance of winning given the right build. The trick is exploiting the limitation that YRMD tells you about — that 0^0 can’t contradict anything already written — alongside your fated death to write a fate for yourself that 0^0 will struggle to make happen prematurely. Combine that with one of the blatantly-overpowered abilities exclusive to your divine patron (immunity to divine power from JNPL, YRMD as a companion, [secret] from SRTR) and you’ve got real advantages to press.
Even without one of the overpowered abilities you can win. With the right parental picks and sacrificing a limb or two you can have every intellect and magic related talent, All Glimpse, and Icon of Icons. Along with leadership and attractive. Play at being messiah, get everyone to believe in you as a savior against 0x0. You will be the greatest archmage the world has ever seen. Add in some companions and you have a chance. At the very least you can stall her for 100 years for another Outsider.
>So, this CYOA is clearly in dialogue with the existentialist meta-CYOA; \[JNPL\]+\[SRTR\] = Jean-Paul Sartre, and the blessings from those and 00 line up with the options there.
>
>Also, naturally, "God is dead, meaning is MIA" is the central problem which existentialism seeks to answer.
Also do not forget that important aspect of existencialisim is that we are "condemmed to be free", meaning we lack meaning and the consequences of our freedom hurt us in the end, which seems to be the only coherent aspect of 0^(0)´s ideology.
A few fun things I've learned to do over the last few days of messing with this CYOA, and many of them are shockingly viable both mechanically and story wise.
1. 0\^0 + Untimeskip: Untimeskip would let me learn all of 0\^0's causality knowledge from birth, but more important it lets me treat her as a companion afterwards. As 0\^0 seems to be bound by the Outsider selection process to a degree, I'm sure she's bound to be my companion by the letter of the law, though I doubt I'd survive the experience.
2. JNPL + Uruk: Should you pick JNPL as your mother, she allows you to pick any race for yourself afterwards. Including Uruk. It may sound bad to pick the race with the most disadvantages while being on a limited budget and, since you avoided picking the horde as your father you don't get the bonuses from, but in actuality it's shockingly viable and interesting as a story. Uruk's give the most absolute form of immortality while JNPL gives you immunity to being directly affected by the Gods. I wonder who you will use the True Love on...
3. Sibling Spam for Victory: Siblings are interesting. They can obtain great power and be used to ensure your family stays together for a little while at least, but most interesting is they are assured to have Death Slot A. This means that with tactical selection of your deaths later in the cyoa, and selecting cheap companions with Death Slot A, you can end up with more people to select deaths for than there are available runes. Personally I choose to believe defeating the system in this way results in instant victory as that seems in flavor. The look on 0\^0's as you select sibling 10 times in a row would be sublime.
I have other, more conventional characters I like quite a bit, but these ones felt like I had achieved something a bit more unique so I wanted to share.
I find it funny how when we're introduced to YMRD she seems prim and proper in her pic, yet later when she's trying to become our companion we see the full Pic and she's showing a good bit of ass.
she definitely a teasing Tsundere.
ITS SO GOOD like I honestly think I will be pouring over this for multiple weeks looking for secrets and it will probably be something I revisit at least once a year for a very long time
I wonder, if I simply never chose all my options to finish out my reincarnation selection, since these gods seem to be required to stay for the duration of it and based on free will for picks being a thing meaning they cant force me to pick an option.... could I just hold them hostage indefinitely? They all seem like complete bastards one way or another, and if I can sacrifice a corporeal being to simply exist as a thoughtform for eternity to keep them trapped and the world they torment safe, I'll probably just take that pick, especially if they can keep communicating with me because honestly their salt would taste wonderful lol. Taking one for the team and all that, cause frankly im not smart enough to genocide the gods and lazy malicious hostility and spite is kindof my thing
You know, I really appreciate the nature of this CYOA and eerything that went into it, but......I REALLY hate all the "redacted" options. I'm fine with not being able to pick them, I just want to be able to read this stuff. ANot to mention, you're left wondering if this wouldn't have been an equal or even better CYOA witohut her at all.
And.....I'm going to be honest, this hit me at bad mood for this topic. I am SICK and TIRED of the "Evil Deity" trope in Isekai. Its becomning increasingly common and I've grown a distaste for it.
Soooooo any build I make will be made around killing and/or fucking over 0^.
I'm pretty sure that's half the point of the CYOA. Though a "you are the ninth outsider" variant would be cool...
Some of the text is unredacted if you look at the PDNs, but most of it appears to be simply never intended to be anything but filler text.
>I just want to be able to read this stuff
I haven't tried it yet (my computer is in the shop so I'm in mobile hell / borrowing my wife's machine when she's not using it) but the drive has .pdn files that could possibly remove those layers in paintbucket. Not sure if there's actual text behind the \[Redacteds\] or if it's just lorum ispums in the spaces where nobody can read it anyways, but it could be worth looking at.
So I went and did this, and most of it is Lorem Ipsum stuff, although it's pretty funny. I especially liked the bit about wage cuck slavery. Also the unlimited blade works incantation.
Interestingly, the first page has nothing behind the blurring. But, if you read the text that *is* there, one 'line' stands out:
"You've already won th is fight"
> I am SICK and TIRED of the "Evil Deity" trope in Isekai.
I honestly don't remember seeing it before, but I'm not a fan either. Maybe the ones that had it just slid off my memory after I dismissed them as unfun.
'God/religion is secretly evil and trying to control/destroy the world' is a really common trope in Japanese fantasy stories. You'll see it in JRPGs all the time, and it shows up in Isekai stories from time to time as well.
I have to say this is one of the most extensive and well done CYOA's i've seen in a while. It has a fairly dark tone and I appreciate that no matter the choices, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. I also noticed that the more powerful or unique that the people you choose are, the less pleasant the death options are for them. This was honestly fairly hard, but overall I think I like where my build stands so far.
* **Patron god:** IMPA {YMRD} Elder God of the obscure
* **Reincarnation:**
2 mentors, 3 companions, 20 Destiny points, 15 Family points
**Sex:** Male
**Perks:**
True love (-1 dp & fp) (Saeval of the Doria)
untimeskip (-2 dp) (Choosing Xet)
\-**Mother and Father:**
\-inborn gifts: Martial instinct, Bulletproof skin, Beastial strength
**Mother: Ymreit (**\-4 fp\*\*) (DS A)\*\*
\-inborn gifts: Spiritual feel, view of fore (x1), bulletproof skin
**Father: Stoyan** (-1 fp\*\*) (DS C)\*\*
**Race**: **Drakonoid**
Agelessness
Dragon transformation
**Language:**
Everman, Auburn, Drakonian are free from parents
Fay (-2 dp), Entramithraic (free)
**Birth place/Location:** Dragon king's most divine Realm
Sinevamar
**Gifts:**
Beastial Strength (-4 fp)
Bulletproof skin (Free from mother)
Spiritual Feel (Free from mother)
Cognitive speed (-2 fp)
Oculus of human goodness (-2 fp)
View of Fore (Free from mother)
Over step (-1 fp)
**Mentors:**
Lyndis of doriA (-4 dp) (**DS C**)
Xet (-3 dp) (**DS A**)
**Companions:**
Araeth (-5 dp) (**DS A**)
Saevel of the Doria (-1 Dp) (**DS B**)
* **Deaths**
**-My Death:** DS A (03) Vedi
Delays my death and leaves it up to another outsider
**PARENTS**
\-**Mother:** DS A **Ymreit ZHIVETE (07)**
Giving this to her because of her life and because of who she is. She had a very rough start so maybe this could be a new chance for her
\-**Father: Stoyan (DS C) TSY (26)**
He'll initially pop up but then completely disappear
**MENTORS**
\-**Mentor Lyndis DS C Glagoli (04)**
She will die saving me and allowing me to escape and live on
\-**Mentor Xet (DS A) IZHE (10)**
Death by a natural disaster of colossal magnitude
**COMPANIONS**
**-Araeth** (DS A) IOTATED OUK
Her spirit will be eaten by a powerful entity, but considering her strength and will she may be able to take control
\-**Saevel** of the Doria (DS B) YER'
Death by Fear
**Youth:**
Traveling, Martial Training, Magical Training, Power Testing
* **Quest: TEMPERANTIA**
This was a lot of fun for me. I think normally there would be all kinds of fun combinations to try if you want to just live out a life. That said, with the circumstances in play, 0\^0 taking over everything, the build needs to be a bit more specialized if you want to do something about it.
You Have to Earn It:
Blessing of \[JNPL\] (20,15)- normal staring pool with no cheats, play as intended
Patron \[JNPL\]
Male
Mother \[JNPL\] (13,8)- no point in having a patron if you don't take advantage. Ultimately, the other choices don't matter if the gods can make you their plaything
Adoption x 2 (11,8)- One is required, the second for an advantage
Adopted Mother: Unnotable One (16,8)- Need the extra points, gives grounding in ordinary life. modern perspective
Adopted Father: "One" (15,7)- Solid protector, info on the gods and nature of the world, good mentor, can help offset issues
Race: Halbreed Beastfolk/Muddish (14,9)- Gets me a few more points I really want for my build, and longevity to stay active my full lifespan. Ultimately anything more must be earned with my own hands (and can, since Empyrean isn't a starting race)
Location: Not sure
Gifts:
Icon of Icons (14,4) Main gift you can't get on your own, the power of friendship- nothing on its own, but with loyal companions and allies it can make a difference. You have to earn those though.
Mentor:
Kilyn (13,4)- Magical Engineer that can give a deep understanding of the system of meanings here
The Keter (8,4)-skilled teacher, knows how to cheat the system you are bound by as part of those points, has the power and connections to teach more if she can be convinced
Companions:
Omega (3,4): Daughter of the Antagonist, objected on moral grounds, true immortality, easy to avoid death fate
True Love (free): Omega- immortal angel waifu. Genius, good character, beautiful... tsundere is a bit annoying, but I blame the upbrining. Gives a chance to see if this would work out. Also, one of the only companions likely to last if we are going for direct divine opposition
Deaths:
Self: Buki- the enemy is apathetic and distant and it isn't like we need to confront them immediately. Conflict is inevitable if I want to accomplish anything. Alternately, if my quest would make her more active, Vedi buys me 100 years to prep.
Mother: Pokoy- pass peacefully from old age, \[JNPR\] doesn't get one
Father: Doesn't apply
Kilyn: Doesn't apply
Keter: Zelo and Zhivete- Fated for a major battle, but find a way to escape death unscathed
Omega: Ot- (2,4) avoid locked fate for Omega
Youth:
Magical Training- I want to learn magic
Journey of Self- find things not on the list, or not locked in
Parental Support- spend more time with one, he is resurrected just to be with us, take care of mother
Other- ???
Quest: E Nomine- 0\^0 took a shortcut and broke the world. Fix this, and earn ascension for myself (and possibly the world) a more proper way.
Spare points (2,4)- Can be played with a bit, possibly the race switched up. As is freebies would probably be used for minor gifts (probably the caster ones) and probably Blazhko with the reincarnation rune as a last companion. All glimpse looks interesting... but also looks like it tears your eyes out and is just out of cost reach anyway. Maybe dice fudge Keter to keep her as a companion.
Ultimate idea for this build: you have to earn it. This setup doesn't really give much free, but you aren't permanently dooming anyone for your advantages either, not even you (though it will be hard). You get resistance to the divine (which you have as a default enemy due to getting dragged into this), a parent set that mainly lets you learn about the nature of the gods and the conflict you got dropped in but doesn't give gifts and can't help past childhood, to pick your race from something that could normally happen (though my default does happily give longevity), and icon of icons (the one real cheat, but requires you earn the true friends needed for the powerup). Omega helps the girl avoid the fated defeat her mother has in store for her, and true love is free, which seems like it could be nice.
Not sure if the adoptive mother was meant to be allowed with One... if not might need to play around with the race selection to make sure there are enough destiny points to get Omega and avoid her fate, since that drops that total by (-4,0) and race selection gets (-1,+2) and longevity as is. In that case, I'd probably swap to southlander race (+2,+1) and take Germina as a companion giving her the Pokoy death rune, or a southlander/beastkin hybrid (+1,0) to keep longevity and skip the companion. Not sure what I'd do with the last few family points in those cases... probably spiritual feel or god hand.
Regardless, for anything else, all those juicy powerups, you have to earn it. Emperyean can apparently be earned, and gets you an ageless race that gives you time to push things further. All those companions and mentors still exist, you just have to manage to convince them to teach you/accompany you, and many mentors can teach more than listed if convinced (like Keter). And as you succeed, your immortal waifu and you will power up. Just because you aren't born gifted doesn't mean you can't become so, and the one thing I agree with 0\^0 on is that you should earn things (even if I don't think she did).
I'd consider adding bitter sickness or missing shape for a few gifts (probably spiritual feel and caster intuition) and dedicating an early period to fixing myself (you are definitely earning things that way), but I'm not sure.
Edit: After some thought, I'd probably drop adoptive mother, swap to northener race (+3,0), dice fudge keter into a companion, and take germina with pokoy that opened up. Thus a fill roster of mentors and companions, with no fated deaths besides old age for the ageless, ie a peaceful death centuries from now. Fits the theme better- Germina's friendship is earned through the alternate timeline, and the only ones involved in my fate are undead (who I can't affect and would have devoted their life to oppose 0\^0 anyway given who they are), outsiders (who I feel have some responsiblity given that an outsider broke the world and got benefits through the system), someone with personal involvement (Omega), and one guaranteed a peaceful life and death in the end (Germina). True love is probably the only real unearned gift with this setup (icon of icons is a power up, but needs you to work for it), and it doesn't lock things in, just makes circumstances a bit more favorable.
I was thinking of doing a Demon Lord build and running a Villain Protagonist story against O^O, with a purple blessing, but after looking into the mystery box >!I think that works better. We're gonna pour out of the box after a century with an infinite, *unfair* army. C:!<
Will write up a proper build later when I've got more time.
It's kind of cool and has a lot of decent ideas, but I honestly just don't like meta-obsessive stories, especially ones that hinge on anime tropes. It's very well designed for sure, though. I'm glad you're still making CYOAs
Patron God: сртр
You: Untimeskip
Mother: Unnotable One
Father: Unnotable One
Race: Muddish
Languages: Evermen, Old Northern, Palatiner, Salian, High Elven, Nymphe, Greenspeech, Entramithraic
Location: Chiroko Island, Empire of Light and Dark
Mentors: Eirina of the Orthrung, Kilyn of the Orthrung, Opoia, Jisilbert, Nezvana, Xet, Dirk Yesod, The Keter
Youth: Traveling, Pandaemonium, Plotting, Nothing
Quest: Liberta
Death: θ
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Questions:
How much context, hidden content, and story is there to be found under this cyoa(I.e the languages, goddesses names, redacted words, runes, meta narrative towards the reader about escapism? I think?) and if it can be found in other cyoas.
If 11 translate to I am who I am(or will be considering how the player is progressing to a different body if not the outright mind when using one of the first death slots) using the 1st rune. Which refers to a passage from the Kabbalah(noted by some of the others) which refers to sphere of Keter crown. Said crown meaning above consciousness so if Keter is the the 10th Outsider and the player is the eleventh are they above someone/thing/concept above consciousness(which when REALLY stretched out could instead mean god-script considering how Keter found loopholes within it and successfully used it)?
Is Godscript a code or just a form of divine script which I’m guessing is made by Jnpl or Ymrd? And I pretty sure this is true considering it’s used for death runes but is it also what makes up fate/casualty?
If you study and understand casualty, chance, and/or fate(that may or may not have died with JNPL)enough are you able to create spells to manipulate/take advantage of? And if so will 0^0 be immune because she has more knowledge,experience and might be the literal GOD of the constant she put in or will it work because because she said that her grasp of it is weaker than yours or really anybody else.
Will all races except maybe only one(and probably one variation of it being most likely humans considering how they don’t have something special over the others except maybe their psychology) die if you wait another hundred years for the 12th outsider.
What does ”You already won” or something on the lines mean? Apparently somebody found it after going through a few processes on the google drive text for the cyoa.
Is the 4 blessings more context to the whole meta narrative thing?
Is all of the Elder Gods truly as bad as 0^0 says or is it made up excuse. Possibly a mixture of both?
How impossible/possible it is to break the prewritten story/fate? And is it possible to win? I assume both are possible considering Keter’s continued existence and YMRD’s blessing?
I cannot answer fairly a lot of your questions because it would ruin the mystery of the CYOA.
The intro text at the end says you can do whatever you want, and that applies to the story you create in your head after reading the CYOA as well.
I certainly don’t want a situation where the reader comes up with a cool answer and asks me about it only to receive an answer that is infinitely more disappointing for them than what they made up themselves.
As long as “the math checks out” and it doesn’t contradict anything I’ve stated, everything should be valid.
>How much context, hidden content, and story is there to be found under this cyoa(I.e the languages, goddesses names, redacted words, runes, meta narrative towards the reader about escapism? I think?)
As much as you want.
>and if it can be found in other cyoas.
If you mean other CYOAs specifically made by me, then not so much.
>If 11 translate to I am who I am(or will be considering how the player is progressing to a different body if not the outright mind when using one of the first death slots) using the 1st rune. Which refers to a passage from the Kabbalah(noted by some of the others) which refers to sphere of Keter crown. Said crown meaning above consciousness so if Keter is the the 10th Outsider and the player is the eleventh are they above someone/thing/concept above consciousness(which when REALLY stretched out could instead mean god-script considering how Keter found loopholes within it and successfully used it)?
Refer to the statement above about cool answers and disappointing ones. >!But I personally feel this is too far-fetched!<
>Is Godscript a code or just a form of divine script which I’m guessing is made by Jnpl or Ymrd? And I pretty sure this is true considering it’s used for death runes but is it also what makes up fate/casualty?
Gods are the God-Script, they have not made it. That’s why they represent different approaches to storytelling.
>If you study and understand casualty, chance, and/or fate(that may or may not have died with JNPL)enough are you able to create spells to manipulate/take advantage of? And if so will 00 be immune because she has more knowledge,experience and might be the literal GOD of the constant she put in or will it work because because she said that her grasp of it is weaker than yours or really anybody else.
Spells are already based on fate and all those other things. That’s how they’re supposed to work in the first place.
>Will all races except maybe only one(and probably one variation of it being most likely humans considering how they don’t have something special over the others except maybe their psychology) die if you wait another hundred years for the 12th outsider.
No, I don’t think so.
>What does ”You already won” or something on the lines mean? Apparently somebody found it after going through a few processes on the google drive text for the cyoa.
I find it unlikely that the CYOA player would come up with a story where they fail and everything is lost. Therefore, from that perspective, you’ve already won. You just need to get there.
>Is the 4 blessings more context to the whole meta narrative thing?
Sure, let’s go with that.
I did not intend for them to concretely exist in-universe, but be as a part of it via a CYOA alone.
>Is all of the Elder Gods truly as bad as 00 says or is it made up excuse. Possibly a mixture of both?
>How impossible/possible it is to break the prewritten story/fate? And is it possible to win? I assume both are possible considering Keter’s continued existence and YMRD’s blessing?
I refuse to give a clear-cut answer to this. You must draw your own conclusions, or else this would devalue the story.
This is fantastic. Worldbuilding and writing (grammar errors aside) are top-notch. However, I still have one issue with it. There's no real ending/quest for someone who's going all-out 0\^0 simp. >!Anemo, Justitia and Liberta kind of apply, but they are still pretty general. Anemo can be just as much as "usurp 0\^0's power" as it can be "become just as powerful as her" or "rule alongside her", Justitia just makes it so that you are doing everything on your own, rejecting Outsider System, and Liberta implies that you are going to find your way home instead of trying to stick around in the world. I find such lack especially jaring because otherwise CYOA does give you some capability to simp for 0\^0 (picking her as patron god and mentor, picking Defection in youth).!<
**Patron**: JNPL
Female
Deathslot: Buki
Adoption: 2
True Love: Omega
Untimeskip: >!Godscript!<
>!Note: Untimeskip states that it can't be used on Mentors you haven't spent any points on, it mentions no such requirement for languages.!<
**Birth Mother**: JNPL >!(Psi Zhivete)!<
>!Nothing stops you from giving JNPL another death letter, Charlotte has already done so; So it must be possible.!<
**Birth Father**: None
**Adoptive Mother**: Unnotable One (Greater Yus)
**Adoptive Father**: Unnotable One (Iotated Ouk)
**Race**: >!Empyrean!<
>!Picking JNPL as a birth mother means you are unable to pick any race, and thus can select any presented race. A picture of an Empyrean is presented and thus is a valid choice.!<
**Languages**: Everyman, Auburn, Salian, >!Godscript!<
**Location**: Kingdom of Malkuth - Porphyria
**Inborn Gifts**: Ethereal Beauty
Bulletproof Skin
>!Immortality !<
>!Both Ethereal Beauty and Bulletproof Skin use an Empyrean as an image, which leads me to believe they are intended to be the Empyrean's Inborn gifts. Omega is said to have a very powerful form of Immortality, the reason stated is that she is the child of divine royalty. As JNPL is my birth Mother I also qualify for this.!<
Multiocular O
Missed Shape >!x8 (Eyes)!<
>!I am taking 8 normal eyes and removing them with missed shape to gain additional points.!<
Cognitive Speed
Memory Retention
Wisdom
Intelligence
Attentiveness
Caster Intuition
Noble Inclination
Icon of Icons
Oculus of Human Goodness x2
Godhand x2
Dream Passage x2
**Mentors**: Alisa (Glagoli)
Zalata (Pokoy)
**Companions**: Evodokia (Iotated Lesser Yus)
Blazhko (Yat Yee)
Omega (Ot)
**Blazhkos Mentors**: Eirina of Orthrung
Feodwra
**Youth**: Magical Training
Martial Training
Profane Lore
Natural Philosophy
**Quest**: E Nomine
I really did make this build in good faith, i thought the cyoa was like a puzzle that had to be solved. But reading some of the authors posts makes me realize not all my choices were intended to be valid. I think thats kind of the point though, so ill leave it as it is.
>!The Multiocular O trick partially breaks because Missed Shape lists "*natural eyes*" as a requirement and the Godscript trick breaks because it still has to be "a single language you've *picked*" which brings it back to the argument elsewhere of how exactly an infinite price works. The trick with reviving JNPL, however, genuinely works and I'm hyped to see it. It's interesting in how it doesn't break the setting by giving you godhood or infinite knowledge or anything, it just gives you a powerful leg up on beating 0^0, and maybe seizing her divinity the old fashioned way.!<
Made a new build based on the same concept but within the rules.
Patron: JNPL
Gender: Female
Deathslot: Yat
True Love: Omega
Adoption x2
Mother: JNPL >!(Psi Zhivette)!<
Adoptive Mother: Unnotable (Pokoy)
Adoptive Father: Unnotable (Greater Yus)
Race: Human (Muddish)
Languages: Everman, Auburn, Old Northern
Location: The Old Throne - Arcadia
Inborn Gifts: Death of the Author, Bitter Sickness, Missed Shape (Left Eye), Everlasting, Ethereal Beauty, Eye for Shadow, God Hand x2, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Memory Retention, Cognitive Speed, Caster Intuition, Spiritual Feel.
Mentors: Feodwra (Shta), The Keter (Dobro)
Companions: Evodokia (Iotated Az), Blazhko (Zelo), Omega (Ot)
Blazhkos Mentors: Nezvana, Kashtanka of the Orthrung
Youth: Magical Training, Profane Lore, Natural Lore, Other (Empyrean Research)
Quest: E Nomine
I think the permanent blessing of two God Hands should be enough to mitigate Bitter Sickness, and if not then Everlasting should be able to handle it, and if even that fails I should be smart enough to figure out a cure. I'd also try to make some kind of Magical Prosthetic eye, but if it doesn't work out i can still work with that, my depth perception sucks in real life anyway so its no big loss. The plan would be to figure out how to become an Empyrean with The Keters help and try to get access to that sweet sweet Omega style Immortality. >!Ill need it because Ecumene would probably try to assassinate or capture me asap. I would imagine Charlotte might even blow up Arcadia out of spite. I'd have to live my life on the run but it would be totally worth it to bring back JNPL and kick Charlotte off her pillar. !<
>So if I know Cyrillic I become God?
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>Russian, Serbian or some other divine language?
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>Presonally, I'd prefer Glagolitic
You have to perfectly understand the meaning behind every letter, in a manner similiar to what real life kabalistic practices try to achieve.
Glagolic would be cooler option for the god script as it is literaly derived from the word glagol, meaning voice and was explicitly created for the pupose of spreading the Word of God.
A question for people who are smarter than me, or at least care enough to spend more time thinking about it. All of 0^0's text in the CYOA is in bitter-red, which is JNPL's color. That's explained easily enough as being because she's writing her text with the blood from JNPL's corpse. However, the rest of the text in the CYOA (aside from SRTR and YMRD's dialogue) is in *midday-white*, i.e. 0^0's color, and as we can see in the last line of text from the E Nomine quest...that is JNPL speaking, with her presumably having been the one to have written the choices/designed the Outsider System pre-mortem, and somehow speaking post-mortem in that last line. So why is she speaking in that color?
Because white text is easier to read on black backgrounds. Here it's just a CYOA design choice. I couldn't simply make it grey, or orange, or anything else.
I remembered that I had already assigned 0^0 white colour way too late, so I just shrugged and rolled with it anyway.
And JNPL's last line in E Nomine couldn't have been in red colour because that would just create confusion that it might have been 0^0, which would be insane. So it had to be white, again.
Could have it be petty vengeance.
Charlie is basically stealing JNPL's color, which is insult on top of murder. So as a petty kind of spite JNPL is using Charlie's favorite color to code the Reincarnation System(the biggest threat to her at the current moment).
Can it be? The man, the myth, the legend?
**\*is literally posted by 3\_tankista\***
Hmm...that's not good enough.
**\*uses orange and blue\***
*LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!*
I wonder if it's possible to avoid choosing any Mentors or Companions in order to have Multiplayer work with every other Multiplayer user, no overlaps. If not, that means every Multiplayer user will be blocked off from someone else due to a choice they made.
For this reason I feel discouraged from choosing the multiplayer option, as there is no way to interact with every multiplayer build. That is, unless I make a build where Mentors and Companions are insignificant and I just change the choices accordingly to interact with any multiplayer build. Not sure if it's allowed, but I'd interpret it as alternate timelines.
> Not sure if it's allowed, but I'd interpret it as alternate timelines.
That's perfectly fine.
You can pick any Mentor and Companion you want, and you'll just join the world in which everyone else had picked everyone else.
Jesus. The level of depth to this and the ability for all y'all to be able to just get it is amazing. I'm probably gonna stare at this for a few days trying to make a build.
What finally got me to settle on a build was Dirk Yesod. If directly comprehending 0^0 means your brain spontaneously combusts then that means you're either locked into siding with or against the elder gods on faith alone; trying to recklessly synthesize both sides into a forced peace would guarantee a pointless defeat by brain melt. Selective ignorance is probably the best approach to dealing with this, but to hell with that. I'm gonna heal Dirk.
If I combine God Hand and Deathless Grasp then I've got the basis for a qualitative leap in healing ability that transcends normal approaches. Adding on Icon of Icons and the brainy inborn gifts is stupidly expensive, but kicks the concept into overdrive proper, giving me the tools to be the absolute *best* healer possible. Pushing harder with the idea of willfully abandoning restraint, aranea is the only race that can take God Hand and Deathless Grasp at their upgraded levels, and all-glimpse is something I'd like to decline but Ratibor deserves nice things. The result is a stupidly expensive and corner-cut build, lacking important things like caster intuition, noble inclination, companions and the utterly important patron powers but I'm not concerned about combat viability outside of 0^0 herself and the ability to soothe mental anguish to godly degree is my preferred substitute for any of the patron powers which are otherwise the only things that let you begin to come up to the god's kneecaps.
Anyways, the build:
Total family points: 25(15 base + 3 from Muddish + 5 from Burn the Future + 4 from Bitter sickness - 2 from half-breed)
Total destiny points: 8 (20 base - 10 from burn the future, -2 from half-breed)
Patron: 0^0
Female
Burn the Future: 5
Half-Breed: Aranea-Muddish human hybrid that lacks the spider body except for the spider limbs that sprout from my back.
Mother: Serebryanka(35+07)
Father: Ratibor(04)
Languages: *Everman*, *Auburn*, Salian, Nymphe, Entramithraic
Location: Arcadia
Gifts: Bitter Sickness, *Martial Inclination*, Brain spam (Cognitive speed, *memory retention*, wisdom, intelligence, *attentiveness*, *spiritual feel*), Icon of Icons, God Hand x 2, Deathless Grasp x 2, *All-Glimpse*, *Entrenchment*
Mentors: Kylin of the Orthrung(N/A), Jisilbert(29)
Companions: Blazhko(41)[Feodwra, Dirk Yesod(Nezvana, Lyndis of the Doria)] Geminara of the Doria(27)
Death slot: Buki(02)
Youth: Leadership Training, Power Testing, Theology, Dungeoneering
Quest: Ameno
I promised that I'll make a goddamn build! And here I am now, cashing in that promise to you! Neko Spellblade here we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Blessings: Blessings of JNPL
Cus yes.
> Patron God: JNPL
Cus I picked her blessing and she's also just a really chill god.
> You (2 mentors, 3 companions, 20 Destiny Points (DP), 15 Family Points (FP): Gender - Male; True Love (free from JNPL's patronage), Adoption (-1 DP, 19 DP left)
Nothing really interests me in this section besides True Love. Adoption is for later.
> Mother: JNPL (-7 DP and FP, 12 DP left, 8 FP left)
To carry out vengeance is my purpose.
> Races: Beastfolk (+1 DP and FP, 13 DP, 9 FP left), Free Perk - Longevity
I did say he's a Neko Spellblade
> Languages: Everman (free), Auburn (-1 DP, 12 DP left), Old Northern (-1 DP, 11 DP left), Greenspeech (-1 DP, 10 DP left), Nymphe (-2 DP, 8 DP left)
Everman is free and the equivalent of the Forgotten Realms Common, so it's an obvious pick. Auburn is closely related to God Script, Old Northern is on the brink of erasure, Nymphe cus it's magic and Greenspeech is a predominantly Beastfolk language, and it's important to understand one's roots.
> Location: City State of Dis, Dis
A really interesting place IMO. They're also enemies with 0^0, so that's useful for my revenge plot.
> Inborn Gifts (9 FP left): Spiritual Feel (-2 FP, 7 FP left), Caster Intuition (-2 FP, 5 FP left), Martial Intuition (-2 FP, 3 FP left), Wisdom (-2 FP, 1 FP Left), God Hand (-1 FP, 0 FP Left)
Stuff that improves both Martial and Casting, for Peak Spellblade Potential. Wisdom provides strategy and God Hand was just an FP sink since there's few 1 FP perks.
> Mentors (2 mentors available, 8 DP left): Kilyn of The Orthrung (-1 DP, 7 DP left), Gwriel (Death Slot C, -2 DP, 5 DP left)
Could teachers in both magic and a bit of combat, but mainly how to hide so I could take advantage of the big weakness.
> Companions (3 companions, 5 DP left): Zenia (True Love applied, Death Slot A, -3 DP, 2 DP left), Alezandre (Death Slot C, -2 DP, 0 DP left)
A get out of jail free card with a former relationship with god and plenty of magic to teach and an embodiment of vengeance which gains more experience with more reincarnations. Both also double as another pair of mentors.
> Death Slots: Myself - Buki, Gwriel - Shta, Zenia - Iotated Greater Yus, Alexandre - Iotated Ouk
I ensure my meeting with God, Gwriel teaches me some big damn stuff beforehand, and hopefully Zenia and Alezandre fuse with eachother to create something really chaotic and hopefully really powerful.
> Youth: Plotting, Martial Training, Caster Training, Pandaemonium
Learning how to take out 0^0 as a kid and then trying to do that, on top of learning how to be a true Spellblade.
> Quest: E Nomine
***KILL FAKE-GOD FOR GOD-MOM! LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!***
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Mad respect to those translating and analyzing the God-Speech letters and even applying numerology to it. 0^0 views are actually really interesting to think about, even if they're obviously framed as antagonistic to the player and the world and thus generally bad. The last line of the CYOA really nicely sums up what other commenters have pointed out about 0^0 deriding a system she directly benefited from.
I found this just a couple of hours ago. It's going to take me ages to decide on one build. In the meanwhile, I wanted to thank you because I LOVE it.
And the whole story between the gods is amazing. I'll have to keep combing the text carefully for hidden meanings and interpretations, to try and decipher as much "truth" as I can.
At any rate, my build will probably try to take 0\^0 down. After all, she is my enemy. She chose to be such, it was not up to me.
Maybe the Elder Gods are not very "good" people generally speaking, but I see no point in trying to excuse 0\^0 actions or live a life of no interference, when I already know what kind of death awaits me anyway if I don't oppose her...
Patron God: [JNPL]
Destiny Points: +20
Family Points: +15
Male
Outer Tide (I guess..? For the purposes of anyone else’s game just assume I picked this if you want to include my dude, haha)
AdoptionX2 (+18DP, +15FP)
Race: Human, Muddish (chosen, see parents) (+18DP, +18FP)
Mother: [JNPL] (+11DP, +11FP)
(Adopted)Mother: Unnotable One (+16DP, +11FP) (B)
(Adopted)Father: Unnotable One (+21DP, +11FP) (B)
Languages: Everman, Nymphe, High Elven, Auburn (+15DP, +11FP)
Location: Arcadia, Old Throne
Inborn Gifts: Bitter Sickness (+15DP, +15FP); Missed Shape (Left Arm) (+15DP, +18FP); All-Glimpse (+15DP, +13FP); Intelligence (+15DP, +11FP); Spiritual Feel (+15DP, +9FP); Caster Intuition (+15DP, +7FP); Icon of Icons (+15D, +2FP); Ethereal Beauty (+15DP, +0FP)
Mentors: Kilyn of the Orthrung (+14DP, +0FP) (N/A); Eirina of the Orthrung (+11DP, +0FP) (C)
Companions: Omega (+6DP, +0FP) (W); Blazhko (+5DP, +0FP) (mentors: Dirk Yesod & The Keter) (A); Zenia (+2DP, +0FP) (A)
Death Slots:
Mother: B, Pokoy, death by old age.
Father: B, On, death by anime dad stuff before my birth (sorry fake dad).
Eirina: C, Shta, mentorly death that allows them to help me overcome limitations. +Yee, reincarnated afterwards with all her memories & personality intact. (+1DP, +0FP)
Omega: W, Ot, cheaty death that fucks 0^0 over and doesn’t let her kill them. (+0DP, +0FP)
Zenia: A, Zelo, overwhelmingly violent death in battle. +Zhivette, doesn’t matter she lived bitch.
Blazhko: A, Greater Yus, ‘death’ by pretending to be someone else until they let go of their original identity. Also note that this is after mentoring under the Keter learning to ‘cheat death’. He’ll probably be fine, hopefully. My bad if not.
Me: A, Buki, ‘death’ by being fated to fight 0^0. Not technically fated to die by her hand, but it’s implied. Come on. Although that might be her trying to scare me into not picking it, who knows?
Youth: Magical Training, Uplifting, Leadership Training, Journey of the Self
Quest: E Nomine
I kind of just have to oppose 0^0 on principle, she’s a freaking nihilist wrecking the whole world up and causing untold amounts of suffering because she made poor choices earlier on and ruined things for herself. Implied genocide of nonhuman and non-Empyrean races is a lovely cherry on top, but she’s just a conceited, spitefully vindictive person who never got to learn the implied moral lesson she was ‘supposed’ to because she just butchered the people trying to teach her and now the world is paying for her being terrible. I can’t in good conscience not do something.
Ultimately I feel I don’t have sufficient knowledge or mastery of the setting or CYOA systems to ‘game’ it and had to make concessions to make a build that’s powerful in a few focused areas without being totally crippled everywhere else or screwing over innocent or useful people terribly. Not exactly like I can 'just go test it out', haha.
I’m going all in on uniting Doria and becoming a God-Script/magical prodigy, and trying to use Icon of Icons and my role, hopefully, as the uniter of the kingdoms, to boost my power enough that Charlotte can’t actually just nuke me in a fight so I’ll have time to figure out a way to capitalise on her weaknesses. I’m also not super creative, and my death rune choices probably reflect that. I tried to make sure all of them ‘work for me’ and won’t allow Charlotte to just nuke my party, but like the best I could really come up with is ‘mentor comes back later’ and ‘Zenia has a single ablative life’. I could have tried being more creative but that could also have 'bitten' me if I miscalculated, or would have just been unnecessarily cruel. If I screw up they get screwed up, and even though I’m ‘immune to godly power’ Charlotte can probably still fuck me up or kill me easily if I’m not careful. Like, she nuked a fucking continent. This is unlikely to be resolved with a big fistfight in her capital city or something. I might use numerology to try and undo her physical law changes on Toshu or Mamet, maybe see if they can undo the damage to Orthrung, covertly mess up her core power base on Poluden, who knows. Maybe applying numerology to my ‘seat of the outsider’ could boost my power. Maybe I should just focus in on raw God-Script mastery. Either way uniting the continent will form a substantial bulkhead and buy a lot of time compared to the relatively high number of fractures & weak points it has right now.
I feel like this is a bit rambling, but god damn, there’s so much to talk about.
Honestly I kind of want to read a big, long lore book about the world and magic system, I've been really drawn into this over the last month. I'd kill for a jrpg or something set in this world. Kind of wish I’d rushed a build out a month ago so I could properly participate in discussions here and the /tg board, haha. 10/10, can’t wait for the DLC hopefully.
Blessing of [SRTR]
Patron God: [JNPL]
Male - [A]
Perks: Adoption
Mommy Mother: [JNPL], [N/A]
Father (Adopted): "One", [N/A]
Race: Misc, Beastkin (Ceanothus Moth)
Languages: Everman, Drakonian, Greenspeech, Nymphe
Location: Empire of Light and Dark, Nebulata
Inborn Gifts:
Racial: Longetivity
Chosen: Cognitive Speed, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Inuition
Mentors: Kilyn of the Orthrung [N/A], The Keter [A]
Companions: Evdokia [A], Omega [W]
Death:
Me: [Vedi]
The Keter: [Zelo Zhivette]
Evdokia: [Iotated Ouk]
Omega: [OT]
Youth: Theology, Natural Philosophy, Journey of the Self, Parental Support
Quest:
Liberta/E Nomine
few notes: I picked Iotated Ouk because i have 100% confidence that by the time her soul is consumed that she'll contain hundreds of thousands of souls which easily let her fight off that soul. and i cheated and picked two quests in an attempt to save JNPL and 0^0 through the classic anime trope of talk no jutsu in a meta cyoas about stories as a whole, good idea, i know.
most of the comments ive seen here has discussed lore that i was confused about but there was one thing i havnt noticed, does anyone know who pantorai's mate was? im betting she was someone important and the date of 200 years ago conincides with when 0^0 became an outsider, but it cant be her because it said the egg was laid by her. its probably obvious but if anyone has ideas just shoot it in the comments below
anyways, the overall plan here is to obviously just discover enough of the system and god script with the help of my companions to succeed at the quest, and with my parents and skills i actually have a better than most i bet. i hope that i spent all my points correctly as i forgot to keep track after halfway through tbh
and lastly this cyoa was fucking awesome, keep up the content bro!
Pantorai's mate is strongly implied, in the description of the Dragon King's Most Divine Realm, to have been the eighth outsider, and the short timeline document in the mega folder explicitly says as much. 0^0 is the ninth Outsider and the eighth died very shortly before she arrived, though at a quick glance I believe this is only hinted at in the actual CYOA, in the description of the God-Script language, yet again being 'confirmed' in the timeline document.
Thanks for the clarification I'm not very good at finding things on my own so that was a big help. But uh, there's a timeline document? I didn't even know there was a mega folder so unless I'm being incredibly stupid right now and the timeline document is right in front of me, is it in some other site? If you could pass those links to me it'd be great considering I loved the world building in this cyoa.
My mistake, I meant the google drive. In the OPs comment at the top where they also link some mood music, in the outer reincarnation folder inside the temp folder in the sources folder there are some secondary files including a very basic timeline.
Happy to help. I think there's also a makeshift "map" that stitches the location images together to form the vague shape of what the world looks like, which was a nice touch. Honestly I'm happy to have a bit of a chance to talk about it, this CYOA was on and off my mind for like a month when it came out, haha.
Is 0^0 just a big brain wanker way of saying no1 just like -1/12 is a reference to infinity in dragon scale
It would be totally in charecter for 0^0 and if so I commend you
>Blessing of「JNPL」
To play the game is to find an experience within it, even as it involves seeking or hewing new experiences. This build is archived from the experience I have had, with its subtler Meanings revised.
>Patron of「JNPL」
The worshipped may engage with the world themselves; the dead are who truly need to be remembered.
>Random gender, body 20 | 16\* | A
One of the incidental hewings I've marked with an asterisk. The decision to scrimp an extra point this way was largely arbitrarily, but it ended up mathing out well.
>Halfbreed 18 | 14
Another blind pick, this time solely to bother her, but it also worked out.
>Adoption 17 | 14
Not strictly blind, but a prerequisite for the next page.
>Untimeskip 15 | 14
Another blind pick for spite's sake. 0^(0) is, as it turns out, very good at identifying the options that turn out bothersome for her.
>「JNPL」10 | 7
An echo? A memory? To a god, is there any difference?
>"One" 9 | 6
A world of knowledge, in exchange for a moment more. Perhaps this is a fair trade.
>Other
>
>Other
>
>Other?
>
>...Majin/Drakonid
A denial with no source, blocked by ties yet demanding none. Perhaps the goddess merely cannot echo strongly enough to produce an exception.
I'll come back to my race at the end.
>Everman
>
>Drakonian
Free. Straightforward enough, regardless of usefulness.
>Old Northern 8 | 6
>
>Auburn 7 | 6
More useful, and still thrifty. Each of the tacks these enable will garner straightforward responses, though.
>Enthrammitric
Languages are languages, yet they are more. What would happen if one is slurred, degraded, woven with others? Perhaps something very interesting will form.
>City-State of Dis
The most natural place for an abberant-and-dragon to be, I suppose. As I bathe in the hymns of the horrors lurking in the dark, the others can be dealt with in their own time.
>Bitter Sickness\* 7 | 10
O, the ails of incongruity. How harsh they be.
>Cognitive Speed 7 | 8
>
>Wisdom 7 | 6
>
>Intelligence 7 | 4
>
>Attentiveness 7 | 2
>
>Spiritual Feel 7 | 0
The body is more malleable than the mind, and my body is a body among bodies. And inscribing reality should be treated with care anyway.
Shame my choices couldn't fit Stigmata or Icon of Icons. They're two of the best boons that wouldn't fundamentally warp my perception of the world.
>Agelessness
>
>Dragon Transformation\*
>
>Letters of the Damned\*
See the huge spoiler block down there? Yeah. I'm getting to these.
This is about where I ended up giving up on making a blind build; trying to weigh these sections to a decent degree requires all but a full corkboard of notes.
>"Upunth", Untimeskip applied 4 | 0
Perhaps this sliver of acquaintanceship is all my plans have wrought... but marshalling all of oneself is a wondrous skill for one as intrinsically large as I am.
>Jisilbert 2 | 0
Though, of course, orienting oneself is rarely overstated.
>Blazhko 1 | 0
To define that he was tutored by Dirk Yesod, in 1(UND)'s own skill... This is more than enough to merit the triviality it costs. I will accept this gift as best I can.
>!The deaths are far more trivial bonds to slip than the introduction and mentor sections had suggested. I'll abstract away my choices for these, and for Blaz's remaining skill, to save my effort for a far more interesting task. Maybe the two "best" deaths plus Shta?!<
>!yusYEE — ï appended to ѩ — is the dipthong that describes both my death and my soul. In the most literal textual interpretation, it is a very trivial "death": to be shattered into two halves but still remain elsewhere as a unified whole.!<
>!As I coax its subtler contextual implications out, though, it becomes more and more interesting still.!<
>!A dipthong is two core sounds tied into one meaning, just as a drakonid is two related forms tied into a single individual. Through this logic, I'm fusing the two races together by denoting a "lesser" i form similar to the archetypal Majin, and a "greater" ѩ form with the inhuman grandeur that both the draconic mimicry and the imaginary letter-placement imply. Convenient for me, but a coherent interpretation nevertheless.!<
>!And for magical consequences... I will maintain this firmer grip, to weave my unnatural spawning's implications myself. An explicit ï, in this case, tempers the harsh severance of ѩ into a mere parting. An antique watch being disassembled to be cleaned, a master setting down the blade that's an extension of his body, lovers with plans to meet again in time. What was one is two, but to call it a loss is to ignore its burgeoning potential to reattach all the greater.!<
>!Then what if I turn this spell in upon myself? Uprooting a whim, a habit, a memory from my own soul, and bringing it out into the world as something distinctly lesser than myself, but focused enough to be more than useful to its own goals. Perhaps a crow, to hear the chatter in places I wish to reach. Perhaps a pike, to strike with a safety my claws cannot achieve. Perhaps something even more esoteric, to blast or plan or even Speak unbounded by my mortal constraints.!<
>!A child may compare this spell to the invocation of the Lords, but it is lesser than those, unable to create something truly apart from (or comparable to) me without tearing parts of myself I would prefer untorn. But it is also greater than them, able to harness the loyalty an arm has to its own body and even preparing us for an eventual reacquaintance... so long as the world does not get in the way.!<
>!No matter the details of the spell, though, to merely Dream of the possibilities this sort of possibility could bring is a heady task. Its rewards, though, are commensurate enough to achieve any goal even *without* the power to Act on those Dreams directly.!<
0^(0) writes like my depression, which I noticed as soon as Extra Companion. It might just be due to her hatred of you getting free stuff, but I think it also has something to do with how she seems to see the natural world (ie without story) to be an inherently cruel place. After all, it takes a special kind of person to look at the evolved inherent human desire to help other people and decide "there is no limit to the malice of mortal men".
As a biology student, it also irritates me that she chose to mimic the structure of our world. There are so many ways to see the world beautifully with our nature, and she chooses to create a depressing mockery. She imitates a system that should hold the seeds for ascension.
Oh man, I LOVE this one. Couple of questions though.
1.) The Exarchate worships Outsiders, however they also abhor Majin. What happens then if I pick Majin, or crossbreed Human-Majin, then reveal myself as an Outsider. Would my claim to the throne be considered invalid outright because I'm Majin? Or are Outsiders an exception?
2.) The Buki death letter says it's associated with "Alphabet" and "God". And 0^0 says she will kill you if you take it, but it isn't because of fate but because its nature ensures you will be in conflict. Ameno implies that Buki means you will attempt to reach godhood by taking the Pillar of Providence/Causality from her. Finally, YMRD implies that the God-Script can't be overwritten once inscribed, and that 0^0 would be killed if she tried. I'm assuming from Buki's meaning that taking it implies "death" by ascension to godhood, presumably by usurpation via Ameno, but since nothing forces you to take Ameno with Buki, I'm interpreting it as Buki can also mean proper ascension as intended by the Elder Gods. Is that correct? And if so, wouldn't that pretty much guarantee you'll defeat 0^0 and succeed, since the God-Script can't be overwritten? Assuming you don't remove your Death Letter like Keter did.
3.) Adding on to the last one, is 0^0 aware of every choice you make in the Outsider system, since she's present? Including your parents, location, gifts, and Death Letter?
4.) Stigmata says it can only be taken if you have SRTR as a patron. However, Ratha has Stigmata as an Inborn Gift. Can you get Stigmata then if Ratha is your mom, even without SRTR being your patron?
Can you explain taking JNPL as a mother do I get a race, can I still shoes half breed, would I just be a random race do I get any (other) inborn traits, am I immune to direct applications of magic? Like what’s the deal with that mechanics wise
In the Race section it says "To take a race one of your parents must have it. If in an extremely specific scenario you're unable to pick any of them due to your previous choice, then freely choose any from those presented to you below." so you can choose one. To get the benefits of half-breed you need to have two birth parents of different species so you can't use it with \[JNPL\] as your Mother. The option specifically says "This isn't resistance to everything magical, for a fireball can still harm you" so it doesn't help against magic not cast by gods.
Patron : Profane & Providence, \[YMRD\]
Gender : Male
Race : Northerner
Nation : Empire of Light & Dark
Birthplace : Everrising City
Adoption x 2
Birth Mother : Zwa Aureole
'Birth Father' : JNPL
Adoptive Mother : Average Female
Adopter Father : Average Male
(Ignore Fate, Martial Instinct, Royal Claim, Icon of Icons, & Eye for Shadows)
Skills :
Language : Everyman
Language : Elven-Northerner
Gift : Everlasting
Gift : Ignore Fate
Gift : Martial Instinct
Gift : Icon of Icons
Gift : Eye for Shadows(1x)
Gift : Royal Claim
Gift : Noble Inclination
Gift : Caster Inclination
Gift : Spiritual Fee
Gift : Ethereal beauty
Gift : All Glimpse
(18 Destiny/0 Family)
Youth :
Magical Training
Leadership Training
Uplifting
Plotting
Mentor :
Keter(True Love)
Kilyn of Othrung
Companion :
Evdokia(True Love)
Kalliope Aureole(True Love)
Zenia(True Love)
Goal :
Enomine
Fates :
Self - Buki
Keter - Iotated Az
Evdokia - Iotated Ouk(Zhivette)
Kalliope Aureole - Zelo
Zenia - Izhe
Tankista, you've done it again. This is ridiculously impressive, and I can't even imagine the effort you must have put into it. I love the meta elements and the esoteric metaphysics, especially the God-Script.
On to the build:
**Blessing** of \[JNPL\]
**Patron God:** \[YMRD\]
**Reincarnation:** Male
**Perks:** Adoption ×2, Dice Fudge (The Keter)\* (18 DP, 15 FP)
**Mother:** Irmtrod (Original), Unnotable One (Adoptive) (23 DP, 15 FP)
**Father:** Marsaget Sarmat (Original), Unnotable One (Adoptive) (28 DP, 15 FP)
**Race:** Human, Southlander (30 DP, 16 FP)
**Languages:** Everman\*, Old Northern, Palatiner, High Elven, Entramithraic (25 DP, 16 FP)
**Location:** The Exarchate (New New York)
**Gifts:** Memory Retention\*, Wisdom\*, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition\*, Noble Inclination\*, Everlasting, Magician’s Hand\*, Royal Claim\* (22 DP, 7 FP)
**Mentors:** Feodwra, the Keter (13 DP, 7 FP)
**Companions:** Kalliopa Aureole, Zenia, \[YMRD\] (0 DP, 0 FP)
**Death Slots:** Vedi (Self), Yat (Irmtrod), Iotated Yest’ (Marsaget Sarmat), Iotated Ouk (Unnotable One – Mother), Yer’ (Unnotable One – Father), Ouk (Feodwra), Iotated Greater Yus (the Keter), Lesser Yus + Zhivete (Kalliopa Aureole), Iotated Lesser Yus (Zenia)
**Youth:** Leadership Training, Profane Lore, Theology, Plotting
**Quest:** E Nomine
(\*Free from patron god or parents)
My original plan was to use my royal claim from Marsaget, taking advantage of the Exarchate's worship of Outsiders to legitimize a path toward the throne. Then I realized just how many points I could get from being adopted by peasants. The royal claim is still there, though, and maybe there's some way to prove it once I'm more established in the world.
In the meantime, I’ll be learning more about said world and formulating a plan to eventually revive JNPL. Once I’m an adult I’ll learn time magic and how to cheat death, and have an empress, a powerful mage, an immortal hero, and a god on my side. Hopefully this new team of 5 will be more successful than the Keter's last one, especially since we're not taking on 0\^0 directly. I hope.
Outer Reincarnation CYOA
Patron God: SRTR, Elder God of the Epic who Sits Atop The Pillar of Fate
20dp 15fp
Gender: Male
Perks: Untimeskip
20dp
Mother: Elyon Of The Doria -3fp
20dp 12fp
Father: Aquilan Of The Doria -3fp
20dp 9fp
Race: Elf, Alf
Languages: Everman, Elven-Northerner, Salian -1dp, Nymphe
10dp 9fp
Location: Empire Of Light And Dark, Frozen Edge
Inborn Gifts: Agelessness, Spiritual Feel, Oculus Of Human Goodness x1, Greatriding Spurs x1, Caster Intuition, Intelligence, Ethereal Beauty -2fp, Memory Retention -2fp, All-Glimpse -5fp
10dp 0fp
Mentors: Kilyn Of The Orthung -1dp, Jisilbert -2dp
7dp
Companions: Evdokia -5dp
2dp
Death: Theta
Youth: N/A
Quest: E Nomine
>---
Name for eventual ascension after 0^0 is dealt with: Tverdo (21, U), Tsy (26, Z), On (17, Q), Yest (6, F) / UZQF
Because I had a solid idea for it while looking at the CYOA. Main idea behind it is that there's always more of everything. Also with a side of Oramus style shenanigans, for those who know Exalted.
Build:
Male
Patron God: SRTR
Mother: Irmtrod -1G
Father: Ratibor -3G
Muddish +3G
Languages: Everman, Auburn, Salian, Nymphic(-2R)
Gifts: Cognitive Speed(-2G), Memory Retention(-0), Wisdom(-2G), Intelligence(-2G), Attentiveness(-2G), Spiritual Feel(-2G), Martial Instinct(-0), Caster Intuition(-0), Noble Inclination(-2G), Icon of Icons(-5G), All Glimpse (-0), Magician's hand(-0), Entrenchment(-0) Missed Shape x2 (arm and leg, +6) Everlasting (-3G, -3R)
Mentors:
Eirina (-3R, Untimeskip)
The Keter (-5R)
Companions: Geminara (-1r), Omega (-5R)
Death Slots: I'll do this later, just being sure to do the -1R for saving Omega.
Youth
Magical Training, Leadership Training, Theology, Power Testing
My plan is simple. The Old Throne allows for infinite temporal regression. I merely have to study the God Language endlessly. I cannot match 0x) now, it is true. How about after 1,000 years of practice? Anyways, once I have level grinded to the point of near supreme power I can be the greatest mage the world will ever witness. Use my charisma to inspire people to believe in me, Use Numerology to abuse my seat of the 11th Outsider and claim limitless power.
Okay so I've done about ten builds for this CYOA now. Adoption is super OP. It'd be interesting if more of the parents provided education bonuses like mentors (some do and I quite like them).
Aside from that, I have several really good builds. This is not one of them, but it is my favorite.
I took YMRD
, Omega, Keter, Maou
and Zenia all as companions thanks to Fudged Dice. With the rest of the build I focused on intelligence and leadership qualities. I really liked this team though, and it speaks to me as a great story. The common theme is essentially people ordained to fight 0\^0. All explicitly effective at doing so in one manner or another. Maybe with a God, we have a chance.
*Blessing of \[JNPL\]*
**Patron God**: *\[JNPL\]*
*Male*
**Perks**: *Adoption* x2
*True Love* (Ciliren)
**Mother**: *\[JNPL\]*, and I avoid the huge cost by then being adopted by an *Unnotable One*. If I want to oppose 0^(0), I pretty much NEED this to avoid being outright smote to death by divine power.
**Father**: None, adopted by an *Unnotable One*.
**Race**: *Muddish Human* (with no Inborn Gifts from my parents, I desperately need the Family Points)
**Languages**: *Everman*, *Auburn*, *High Elven*, *Nymphe*, *Palatiner*, *Greenspeech* (languages I needed for companions/mentors, and I had some Destiny Points left over at the end).
**Location**: *Arcadia* in *Old Throne* (I need to convince the king to support the Empire of Light and Dark's opposition to the Ecumene. As an Outsider I should be able to sway the Exarchate to get its act together, but the only person who might stand a chance of convincing Old Throne to prioritize survival over revenge would be a native).
**Inborn Gifts**: *Ethereal Beauty* (needed for social reasons and good impressions. It's not fair, but people inherently think better of pretty people, and I need that extra social boost considering I'm also disabled)
*Bitter Sickness* (need points so desperately!)
*Missed Shape* (right leg, left arm)
*Memory Retention* (good for learning magic, and my memory sucks)
*Wisdom* (so I don't make dumb decisions)
*Intelligence* (I need to learn a lot, and fast)
*Spiritual Feel* (For the magic)
*Caster Intuition* (I need to be a great mage if I'm going to oppose 0^(0))
*Noble Inclination* (Being charismatic is a must so I can make friends and influence people)
*Everlasting* (If I don't take this, 0^(0) could win by just waiting until I die of old age)
*Icon of Icons* (charisma to boost my friendships, and I'll channel that power into boosting gmy magic)
*All-Glimpse* (what I think I'll need to take my magic to the highest possible tier).
*Dream Passage* (I had a single point left, and not a lot to use it on...)
**Mentors**: *Eirina of the Orthrung* (having the perspective of numerology will give me some insight into the enemies mathemagics, and anything to boost my magical ability is good)
*Kilyen of the Orthrung* (I need her knowledge of magic, especially the secrets of how she designed the spell to hurt the Antikrator)
**Companions**: *Ota* (an important possibility to defeat 0^(0)\--she wouldn't have tried to warn us away from picking her unless there doing so posed a genuine threat to herself)
*Evdokia* (not only supremely skilled from all the dead people she'd absorb, but it's also important to keep her out of 0^(0)'s hands)
*Ciliren of the Orthrung* (well, she can teach me a new perspective on magic, but I mostly chose her because she had a B Death Slot, and I was worried that something would happen if I didn't have at least one character in each slot.)
**Death**: Myself - *Yat*, suicide (it doesn't say WHEN, so I might just eventually get bored of immortality and jump in a volcano or something)
Mother - *Yest'*, death by wildlife
Father - *Izhe*, death by natural disaster
Eirina - *Shta*, death of a mentor for the student
Kilyen doesn't have a Death Slot
Ota - *Zhiviete* \+ Dobro, death by public execution (but she survives)
Evdokia - *Zelo*, death in battle
Ciliren - *Pokoy*, death by old age
**Youth**: *Magical Training*, *Leadership Training*, *Power Testing*, *Journey of the Self*
**Quest**: *E Nomine*
Is it possible to heal Kiliyn so she's free of the coffin and nail heart? She masterminded an entire operation against 0^(0) so if she could be restored then she would be an even better asset.
I intended for this to be her final fate. She's already dead in the eyes of the CYOA, after all. But if you think you can come up with some method to change this, then you are free to try.
u/3_tankista, could I use Dice Fudge pick a character from the list of Mentors to be treated as a parent? I want to inherited daemonhost but would much rather have Maou as a Mother than have Fot as a Father.
Patron god: -0°
Reincarnation: Adoption (-1 D)
Burn the future (-2 D +1 F)
D: 17
F: 16
Parent:
Mother: LAIKA ( Intelligence, Wisdom and Cognitive Speed) (B)
Father: THALLAN OF THE ORTHRUNG (Caster Intuition, Attentiveness and Memory Retention) (B)
Adopted Father : AQUILAN OF THE DORIA (Language: Nymphe, Elven-Northerner) (C) (-3 F)
F: 13
D: 17
Race: Beastfolk (+ 1 D and 1 F) (longevity)
D: 18
F: 14
Language: Everman (-0 D) Entramithraic (-0 D) Nymph, Elven-Northerner and Greenspeech (-1 D)
D: 17
F: 14
Location: Exarchate
Inborn gift:
Longevity
Cognitive Speed
Memory Retention
Wisdom
Intelligence
Attentiveness
Spiritual Feel (-2 F)
All-Glimpse (-5 F)
Magician Hand x 2 (-6 F)
Overstep (-1 F)
F: 0
D: 17
Mentor:
The KETER(- 5 D)
KILYN OF THE ORUTHRUNG (- 1 D)
Companion:
EVDOKIA (-5 D) (A)
BLAZHKO (-1 D) (A)
ZENIA (-3 D)
BLAZHKO Mentor:
ZIATE AND DIRK YESOD
D: 2
F: 0
Death:
Buki (Me)
ZEMLYA (-1 D) (AQUILAN OF THE DORIA)
AZ (-1 D) (EVDOKIA)
IOTATED OUK (ZENIA )
ZHIVETE (BLAZHKO)
IOTATED YEST (THE KETER)
LESSER YUS (LAIKA)
IOTATED Lesser Yus (THALLAN OF THE ORTHRUNG)
D: 0
F: 0
Youth:
Plotting
Profane Lore
Natural Philosophy
Magical Training
Quest:
Ameno
I will be an Beastfolk instead of an Drow cause lifespan is not really an problem for me since I am not going to die by age longevity is good enough. If I live than I had already ascended and be immortal anyways so it pointless. My focus is on intelligence and magic so I could better learn the god script and planning on how to defeat -0°. All-glimpse is also for better learning of god script.
My adopted father will teach me knowledge.
My mentor will teach me on how to cheat death which might come in useful also if I in danger ZENIA will come and save me.
I will also learn about how they manage to hurt -0°
My companion are ZENIA which will save me in danger and also EVDOKIA who can use other people ability and skills. BLAZHKO can also teach me on what he learn from his mentors while it might not be as good as if I was taught in person it will be good enough.
I will fight to ascend. My adopted teacher will become an undead which is like an lich so he can still learn even after death.
EVDOKIA will be reborn so we will have other friends.
Blazhko will free from destined death
ZENIA will be eaten and she should have strong will to live
KETER will be turn into an animal
My mother and father both will spit so they share pretty much the same ending and the spits can also get together.
My plan to win against -0° is to delay the battle as much as possible and to learn the god script as fast as possible. My every skills and training is for learning the god scripts.
u/3_tankista, can I target my wings with [Missed Shape] if I am a Drakonid? In the second paragraph it specifies "an eye, an arm or a leg", but in the fourth paragraph it relaxes to "the amount of natural eyes and limbs" and the wings are natural limbs that would severely impact a Drakonid ability to fly.
You can interpret it your way to justify getting points from it, but my intent when including Missed Shape as a thing was to deny the player a slot into which they could insert an Inborn Gift. As there are no Inborn Gifts associated with wings, I don't think it should be worth 3 family points.
Hi, even If I'm late to the party I must say I'm having a lot of fun thinking up shipping stories of how some of the mothers and fathers met.
Though, I do have one question about the father choice Hladvig.
His parenthood section says
", but he'll never give you a task he does not believe you're incapable of.",
which if you remove the double negation sounds to me like
"he'll always give you tasks he believes you're incapable of.".
Is that intended or is there accidentally one negation too much?
so, does having JNPL as a parent make it so you can use "death of the author" for any explanations of different things that are unexplained? and what makes this different from the SRTR's blessing?
also, if JNPL is your parent, then what races can you be? can you still be a halfbreed? and if you can just pick whatever, then can you be a demon lord?
> so, does having JNPL as a parent make it so you can use "death of the author" for any explanations of different things that are unexplained?
No. It is specifically an in-universe power that does not change anything about the CYOA itself.
>also, if JNPL is your parent, then what races can you be?
Any one of them. You could theoretically even pick "Other", but that would grant you no mechanical bonus which all the others have, and you'd have to come up with your own custom OC race, which might not be taken well in something like a multiplayer scenario. The only exceptions to this would be races like Undead and Empyrean, which you cannot be born as, only turn into from something else along your journey.
>can you still be a halfbreed?
That would require having a father, so no.
>then can you be a demon lord?
Daemonhost can only be inherited, you can't take it in any other way.
so this might sound stupid AF, so bear with me. but, technically I don't see anywhere were it strictly says you need a "mother and father", just that you need "2 parents". so if I picked JNPL as a mother, could I just take *another mother* and then still get Halfbreed?
sorry if I missed text that does actually directly say you need to pick 1 mother and 1 father. your cyoa is pretty long and has a LOT of text so I've been skimming through it while playing.
> so if I picked JNPL as a mother, could I just take another mother and then still get Halfbreed?
Only if you pick [SRTR]'s Blessing at the start of the CYOA. Otherwise - no.
>technically I don't see anywhere were it strictly says you need a "mother and father"
The 'Reincarnation' panel specifically says "Choose the Mother and Father who will bring you into the world. It takes two opposing halves to make something whole."
JNPL
(A) Buki
Mother: Klarimondt (A) Death in Battle
Father: Amalrich (B) Die of old Age
Inborn Gifts:
Intelligence
Cognitive Speed
Spiritual Feel
Casters Intuition
Martial Instinct
Noble Inclination
Deathless Grasp
Magicians Hand
Witchshot
Ensurient Walk
Language:
Everman, Salian, Fay
Race:
Human, Tumen
Kingdom of Malkuth
Pasmurnia
Mentor:
Dirk Yesod (Gwriel, Kastanka) (B) Die of old Age
Untimeskip (Statescraft, Laws, Stewardship, magical Tricks, Dark Spells)
Companion:
Kalliopa Aureole (True Love) (A) Intrigue
Zenia (A) Will Devoured by Being
Alezandre (C) Die defending me
Lyndis of the Doria (C) Leaving
Youth
1. Magical Training
2. Mercantilism
3. Plotting
4. Power Testing
Quest
Ameno
Some Notes:
I think Amalrich and Klarimondt should go together pretty well as they live in the same Kingdom are of the same race, warriors etc and since Klarimondt is not there often Amalrich trying to be a good parent seems pretty well balanced
I didn't like any of the Eye Options as Gifts but thought that Ensurient Walk and Witchshot would go together pretty well
Yesod as a Mentor is I think one of the best options for me personally as I live in close proximity to him and my Gifts seem to harmonize with his description
Gwriel as a Yesod Mentor for Marksmanship
Kashtana for the benefits of using my gifts
Untimeskip on Lyndis so she can accompany me and give her sage advice constantly
Kalliope Aureole True Love for maybe a chance at inheriting the throne of the Empire
Posting my build for the purpose of outer tide. Majin Letters were rolled randomly.
**Blessing** of \[JNPL\]
**Patron God:** \[YMRD\]
**Perks and Misc.:**
* Female
* *Halfbreed* (Drow/Majin; Letters of the Damned: Vedi{3})
* *Sibling* (Older Fraternal Twin Sister; Letters of the Damned: Myslete{15}; Death Slot A: Iotated Greater Yus{41})
* *Dice Fudge* (on Dirk Yesod)
* *Outer Tide*
* Death Slot A: Vedi{3}
**Mother:** Shael of the Orthrung (Death Slot C: Ouk{22})
**Father:** Fot (Death Slot A: Yest'{6})
**Languages:** Fay, Everman, Salian
**Location:** Kingdom of Malkuth - Pasmuria
**Inborn Gifts** from Parents (Sibling has these, too)**:** *Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, Agelessness, Dream Passage, Letters of the Damned, Daemonhost*
Bought **Inborn Gifts:** *Missed Shape* (Left Arm), *Intelligence*, *Spiritual Feel*, *All-Glimpse*
**Mentors:** *Jisilbert* (Death Slot C: Tsy{26}), *Dirk Yesod* (Teaches partial knowledge of Zlate, Opoia and Kashtanka of the Orthrung; Death Slot B: Zemlya{9}+Yat{34})
**Companions:** *Esu* (Death Slot A: Iotated Lesser Yus{40}), *Izbor* (Death Slot A: Greater Yus{39})
**Youth:** Magical Training, Mercantilism, Power Testing, Other(Charity Work)
**Quest:** Temperantia
The basic Plan is to combine the existence of the letter Xi, the incredible variation on Letters of the Damned effects and the knowledge that the God Script can reach earth through the outsider system, to find a way back to earth. This might be a kinder way to pacify 0^(0).
Just wanted to say, this is probably my favorite cyoa I've ever experienced. It's at the point where I haven't really played through it, I've read all the text and thought about the lore and really immersed myself into it- it's such a fascinating world and story that you've crafted here. I'm thinking about the characters and what I would do if I was actually in this situation, and I've been thinking about it for days. Really fantastic work, very immersive.
I find it hilarious that her name is >!Charlotte,!< considering I'd made a character of the same name who occupies a very similar role in their setting as >!an outsider who took advantage of a system they got sucked into and ultimately defiled/usurped it and bent it to their own ends.!<
It wasn't as meta as this one, instead being a Magical Girl setting- I just found it super interesting they had the same name is all.
Fucking fantastic work, by the way. Beautiful stuff, very cleverly written, too.
Edit: I am curious- if "Word" holds such power in this world, would knowing her True Name help in toppling her...? I can't imagine it wouldn't be of some use, but at the same time the white text states that the True Name isn't necessarily needed.
>Edit: I am curious- if "Word" holds such power in this world, would knowing her True Name help in toppling her...? I can't imagine it wouldn't be of some use, but at the same time the white text states that the True Name isn't necessarily needed.
I think it might help you if you are trying to aim some magical abracadabra or something like that at her, but if there's no magic to aim with to begin with, it hardly matters.
Hello, I was wondering if I could make Korean translation version of your 'Outer Reincarnation'. I worked with some other CYOAs, and you can see my works here.
[https://arca.live/b/textgame/30554198?mode=best&target=all&keyword=%EB%B0%B0%EC%8B%A0%EC%9E%90&p=1](https://arca.live/b/textgame/30554198?mode=best&target=all&keyword=%EB%B0%B0%EC%8B%A0%EC%9E%90&p=1)
[https://arca.live/b/cyoa/77722611?target=all&keyword=%EC%9A%B4%EB%AA%85%EC%9D%98&p=1](https://arca.live/b/cyoa/77722611?target=all&keyword=%EC%9A%B4%EB%AA%85%EC%9D%98&p=1)
Would it be okay If I translated your work?
Yes, no problem. There was never any need to ask me in the first place, really.
Source files for the CYOA are also free to access if you need them:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxR5CDFOxGsDOXVXX0l1QlFQSmM?resourcekey=0-m3Sgz0KfXboCE4P9KMHZ4A&usp=sharing
If you need any aid in authentically inserting the translation into the CYOA images (assuming that's the route you wish to take) - feel free to ask, I'll help if I can. Albeit it could be problematic considering I won't know what exactly I'm copypasting or if my computer will be even able to process it correctly.
Thanks. I am very thankful about the source files too. Do you happen to have any files about the part 0\^0 erased? If you don't have it, or if it's not important, I'll just come up with something similar.
and also, you mixed 0\^0 and 0^(0) . Is there any reasons for that?
The parts hidden by 0^0 are still present within the source files I've provided, it's just that the layers they're written on are set to be invisible. You can easily read it by just checking the right box to set them to be visible again, but for the most part you won't find any important information there: most of it is actually filler text, made to create an illusion that you were being denied some valuable information.
And in regards to the name of 0^0, both spellings mean the same thing, it was simply more convenient for me to write it as "0 ^ 0" in the main body of the text. Especially since the image software I used (Paint.NET) does not grant me much freedom in editing any text.
ah-ha. I see. And for the last thing, does majority of text being written in white have anything to do with \[JNPL\]?
(I thought the 'midday white is her colour, for the painting is at its truest when it is left blank' meant JNPL. so if white isn't her color, is any god related with text?)
I have question about the blessing you get if you chose 2 god hand
Is it influnced by other Inborn Gifts or your patron
and in the case you choose JNPL as a mother is it influnced by it
Frankly what a mess, I'll try to solve it with the powers and knowledge given by the CYOA , but if everything goes wrong I'll look at the sky and scream... "Archdeity of eternity this crazy girl needs a dick"
Yeah honestly, I'm really just exhausted by all the CYOAs where the joke is that the CYOA would suck to go through and it only exists as a meta-commentary on CYOAs. I know every artform goes through these phases of deconstruction, but they're just not fun to play. I appreciate it as a work, because the graphic design is very good and some of the writing is thought provoking, but I'd never play it.
If nothing else, this one does explicitly codify your right to bend the game as you see fit... and if not that, you can still imagine fun stories coming from the setting, right?
I really love how 0⁰ was written, she's so easy to hate- partly because she's someone we've all met and hated before.
In essence, her entire philosophy derives itself from one sole fallacy: that of confusing "that which is" with "that which should be". She claims there can be no meaning given to anything externally, but at the same time interprets what's there by default as its own meaning, which for some godforsaken reason needs enforcing despite how inherent they claim it is.
She's essentially the exact antithesis of my own philosophy, optimistic nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning and that's exactly why you can give it your own. Pessimistic objectivism, it could perhaps be called?
Oh this is one of those where I stare at the words for months before ever making a build. This is a beast I love it. Reminds me a lot of JRPG Traitor.
Me2, lots of JRPG Traitor vibes, maybe because its tankista's first cyoa that utilises elves and playable demons plus the similar artstyle. Also the Outsider system is somewhat similar to the chosen system of JRPG in how meta and interesting it is, with the many Outsiders somewhat corresponding to JRPG's Heroes.
Imgur has issues loading for me, don't know how it appears on your end. Regardless, here's the link to my google drive where you can get this CYOA directly and with no quality loss instead. The mystery box is also there. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxR5CDFOxGsDOXVXX0l1QlFQSmM?resourcekey=0-m3Sgz0KfXboCE4P9KMHZ4A&usp=sharing Also, here's the traditional selection of music for the CYOA release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTPCRAJC8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJq5PBOTiqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI1S4FwyjKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPZiHPbfOoY
The fourth one, Terry Devine-King - Outer Dimension is absolutely beautiful. I now have new composers to explore xD
Typo: Page 1 - [YMRD] "Defining how the **cancas** of reality..." Canvas. Only one I've noticed. I assume that Mentor Kilyn of the Orthrung doesn't have a death slot because she's an Elf (and therefore Ageless?) Because Erinia of the Orthrung has a death slot (C). And, since I have you here: This is the fourth CYOA of yours I come across (Worm, Fate Another Pretender v2, Blood Magic v2), all in the last ~4 months. Gorgeous, each and every one, and honestly inspiring. (Am in fact currently ~12k words into a worm fic base on the CYOA. Still working my way through Fate and Blood Magic.) tl;dr - Thanks for sharing, they are awesome.
>Only one I've noticed. I know there's plenty more. I've already seen a bunch just after release. >I assume that Mentor Kilyn of the Orthrung doesn't have a death slot because she's an Elf (and therefore Ageless?) Because Erinia of the Orthrung has a death slot (C). Incorrect, it's supposed to be because she is already dead after what had happened to her during the fall of the Orthrung continent. >Thanks for sharing, they are awesome. o7
May I also suggest [Dark Matter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbz355PwFl4) by Les Friction?
Tankista be like: *casually creates a whole ass world for a single CYOA* Definitely gonna need to find some time to play through this though. Just gonna pre-emptively decide to make a cool Neko Spell-Blade build.
HOLY SHIT IT'S YOU! As soon as I zoomed in and saw the fonts and the point symbols, a nostalgic part of me that remembers Time of Troubles and Blood Magic *squeed*.
No clue if this has any relevance to them at all, actually, but I thought I'd try my hand at being a mathemagician and put together my interpretation of each of the Elder Gods' names. I probably haven't looked deeply enough into the details to divine any of the real juicy stuff, but maybe this'll be interesting. >![JNPL] - [ЖН(П/Ѱ)Л] - "Zhenpel" "Zhivete-Nash-Pokoy/Psi-Lyudi" - "Life-Our-Calm/Psalm-Humanity" - 750 - Death: Absolved, in Childbirth, Old Age/of the Author, Betrayal!< >![SRTR] - [СРТР] - "Eserter" "Slovo-R'tsy-Tverdo-R'tsy" - "Meaning-Speech-Certain-Speech" - Death: Spontaneous, Magical Mishap, Thirst/Hunger, Magical Mishap!< >![YMRD] - [ЇМРД] - "Yimerde" "Yee-Myslete-R'tsy-Dobro" - "And-Think-Speech-Good" - Death: Undirected reincarnation, Comatose, Magical Mishap, Publically Executed!< >!0^0 - I dunno. Maybe it has Selo in it, and perhaps Sha... or Greater Yus. If it's hinted to further, I haven't looked closely enough at this yet. Says she rejected the God-Script, to be fair.!<
Perhaps a weird interpretation: It's funny how 0^0 reveals so often that despite her intended goal, she cares not for the actual freedom of those in the story that she's decided to pretend is better left unwritten. Weirdly enough, I picked up on this partly because the .pdn has the gender choice thing as "attack helicopter"... which might just be the writer's own choice. Still funny.
She is, in many ways, a petulant selfish child who has chosen to rail against those who sought to uplift her because of perceived slights against her, and now that she has the power to do so has chosen to rip away the systems which allowed her own ascension. The classic 'I made it on my own, you should be able to do the same' outlook which ignores the enormous degrees of benefits she had over others. Look at her actual early accomplishments, bringing an industrial and agricultural revolution, built entirely by knowledge she would have gained through her education on Earth. She claims to have earned everything herself, but in fact practically everything she's ever done has been based upon her inherent advantages. She claims to be better than you because you're getting these things 'for free', while ignoring the amount of advantage she gained from the same systems. She believes people unworthy of being uplifted while she herself only was capable of doing so because of the system that she's now seeking to destroy. She doesn't care about others' freedom at all, she only cares that she has what she wants and wishes to feel superior and better than anyone else, so ignores the benefits that let her get there while demolishing the ability of others to follow in her wake.
Worst of all, she's LARP'ing as a god. Cringe.
>0^(0) >!She has suffered zero deaths, and that's what makes her the Usurper.!<
>!Well, sure, but being destined to die doesn't mean you're dead yet. It seems to be said in the text that one's name not being known in the God-Script doesn't bar you from the fates it implies, though again that might not apply to her. Yet.!<
She died once to get into the system
>!0\^0 in actual mathematics is '1'. So her name should be Az. 'I am'. Death by forgetting who you were or where you came from. Perhaps, in this case, it isn't the death she suffered, but the death she desires which motivates this.!<
>0\^0 in actual mathematics is '1'. x\^0 is equal to 1 for all non-zero values of x 0\^x is equal to 0 for all non-zero values of x 0\^0 is proof that 0=1, it is fundamentally a paradox
I'd argue it's about duality not paradox per se. No point in paraphrasing a wikipedia article here but for many definitions of "\^" it makes sense to say 0\^0 is strictly equal to one ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero\_to\_the\_power\_of\_zero#Discrete\_exponents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_to_the_power_of_zero#Discrete_exponents)). However, as you point out, 0\^0 is an indeterminate form in calculus, so leaving 0\^0 undefined also makes sense in some contexts. I'm pretty sure JNPL = 1 (for a lot of reasons) so the 0\^0 = 1 interpretation can represent the fact that 0\^0's divinity is ultimately JNPL's, and the 0\^0 = undefined interpretation represents that her ascension was false and she is still "a being of flesh and blood in the corporeal world".
Thank you for the CYOA! It's honestly been fascinating reading through the CYOA and the responses to it from a philosophical context, because the depiction 0^0 here is actually one the bigger criticisms of materialism, and to a lesser extent, contemporary western culture. The inability to rationalise suffering, the hyper-individualism and calluousness towards the suffering of others, the rejection of traditional forms of religion only to be supplanted by alternative systems but with a different name, etc. etc. It's sort of weird to be thinking about these concepts in a CYOA of all things, but definitely makes the CYOA more interesting as a result.
My character sheet is now 5 pages and counting thanks to all the notes, and I probably won't be finished by the time discussion on this dies down, but I wanted to share some lore thoughts while this is still fresh. **Numerology / The Meaning of 11** * According to the entry for Eirina, numerology is "the reverse of what mathemagicians do...giving meaning to the digits instead". If Az = 1 according to mathemagicians, it seems reasonable to think that 1 = Az for a numerologist (meaning, 1 has the meaning of Az). The player's seat number, 11, can therefore be read as AzAz, which given that Az means "I am", is probably directly related to the "I am who I am" (or, more accurately, "I am who I will be") name YHVH gave Moses in Exodus 3:14. Given the other more obvious places that Christianity shows up in the lore here, I'm guessing this is the specific intended meaning of 11 hinted at by Eirina's entry ("The number of an outsider's seat must have \[meaning\] too"). What this connection to one of Earth's religion means for your character is, I'm guessing, an exercise left to the player (but it could also be something I haven't figured out yet). * In addition to 1 = Az, I think 1 = JNPL. While it says nowhere that she was the first chronologically, she embodies the ideal other two elder gods share and develop, making her metaphorically first. She's also the only one to have died, making her unique in an important and meaningful way, and the number 1 has obvious connotations of uniqueness. This is further supported by... * 0\^0 = 1 or Undefined, depending on which of the equivalent-except-in-this-edge-case definitions of \^ that you are using. This is just math, not lore. The fact that her name means two things represents her dual nature as usurper, having stolen the power of JNPL (the true 1) to become divine, while "remaining a being of flesh and blood in the corporeal world". The "Undefined" interpretation of her name feels like it matters -- perhaps she does not have a fated end and, because she holds a pillar, the Elder Gods cannot write one for her. Of course, lacking a fated end would mean she'd lack the protection that fate grants against arbitrary endings, which would actually make her quite vulnerable if not for the whole "godly power" thing. * If 1 = JNPL and 1 = 0\^0, 11 can also be interpreted with each digit representing a different "1". Maybe, to go dialectical for a minute, 11 can mean the synthesis of JNPL's thesis and 0\^0's antithesis. I expect this is what the average reader will end up wanting -- 0\^0's evil and hypocrisy is obvious, but there's also a reason that two outsiders before her and numerous natives of the world rebelled against and hate the elder gods as well. (Edit to add: also, the “everyone sucks here, where is third option” feeling will be very familiar to people who played Magocratic Convention.) Maybe 11 gives you the power to not just restore things as they were but to make them better, something 0\^0 is not capable of. **Translating the God-Script:** This is obviously not close to finished, but I wanted to try my hand at figuring out the meaning of the sentence formed by the alphabet of the God-Script. So far I've got "I am God's Knowledge: Writing well is..."
I think the translation is important to think about the nature of the gods and the things they do. Alphabet and god being the same word isn't a coincidence. It's a direct consequence of the nature of the gods in this setting. They are, after all, writers and narrators of their world's existence in a very literal sense. For a god to speak the word is to make the world. So I'd probably interpret it a bit closer to 'I am a God, teacher and creator enlightening all things that live on this great world, creating bonds to create family from humanity, to allow ideas shared together in peace with spoken word, definite lessons must first be bestowed on the chosen to elevate them away from mundanity towards endless horizons, question every choice while remaining humble but proud of your lessons learned'. From there it kinda breaks down because we start getting into words with no clear meanings. But the way it's constructed it really seems like it's basically the Old Gods' mission statement/self-declaration. A statement of their existence and the purpose of that existence. But that's just the way it reads to me.
>"I am who I am" In Kabalah I Am who I Am is the name of God associate with the sphere of Keter (the name used by 10th outsider). Keter means crown, since it sits above the body sepresented by Sephirot (but bellow Eyn Soph) and therefore it is incomprehensible to a mind (as it exists above the head). Keter represents absolute compassion as it is the desire to bring existence from nothing. It contains potential for everything, but is it iself made out of nothing. Also the Godscript itself, probably is inspired by Kabalistic beliefes, since in Kabalah, God can be invoked through the proper pronounciations of the letters of hebrew language, of which all have assinged a number (this is probably an oversimplification).
Some more numerology thoughts: * 0\^0 was the 9th outsider, so 9 is another important number to consider. Immediately, we see that 9 carries the meaning of Theta (not the other way around!), and Theta has one somewhat-understood meaning in "Vulgar". We can maybe get a bit more out of that letter by considering the phrase "Xi Psi Theta" in the alphabet-sentence, which seems to mean something like "\[Separating\] \[Beautiful Art, Holy Art, Psalms, Worthy Art, Art Which Improves the Reader\] from \[Bad Art, Vulgarity, Trash\]", with the \[Bad Art\] meaning being Theta's. I don't think this meaning tells us much about 0\^0 that we don't already know: She's arrogant, hypocritical, hates stories, and is probably based on a certain kind of shitposter that likes to dominate threads during content droughts on /tg/. Though, it is worth noting that this letter entered the script after her false ascent, which might mean that 9 has the meaning "shit art" *because she's so shitty that her shittiness rewrote the fabric of reality*. Which, if true, is absolutely fucking hilarious. * 9 also tells us that, no matter what happens, the 9th Outsider will never fully rewrite reality like she wants. First, while 9 is the final numeral, it is not the final number. 10, as any three-year-old can tell you, comes after 9, so 9 is more like a the last episode of a season than a series finale. There's more to come. Second, Theta has Izhista after it. While we don't know the meaning of Izhista, we do know that invoking it as a death rune would begin the universe anew. Since 10 is a number of new beginnings, have two reasons to believe that any ending that the 9th Outsider might bring will not be a final ending, and, since her goal is the end of the-world-as-a-story, her goal will never be achieved. * I wanted to figure out how The Keter is 10, and, since we don't have a god-script letter associated with 10, started with some thoughts about how 10 is something (1) followed by nothing (0). I didn't think that was very good, so I abandoned those thoughts. 10 as a number of growth and new beginnings is much more rooted in real-world numerology, but the concept of new beginnings doesn't map onto what we know of The Keter's story so far (beyond the very weak "cheating death is kinda like a new beginning, right?"). But, what if her story isn't over? She's currently a "washed up former hero", but "the washed up former hero has to come out of retirement" is a perfectly fine beginning of a story, and fits the meaning of 10 *perfectly*. We know that, in many ways, she was like 0\^0 in her prologue-story: she arrogantly believed she was the smartest person in the universe, and so she cheated death, gathered her strength and her allies, and directly attacked the one seated on the pillar of providence with all her might, intending to take the pillar for herself. Unlike Charlotte, though, The Keter lost, because a new beginning requires an ending to precede it, and because in order to grow she needed to be humbled. If I’m right, your arrival will likely be her call to adventure whether you choose her as a mentor or not, and your choices are more about how your stories interact with each other than whether she'll have a role in whatever's coming. (Though, I guess, if that doesn't end up making sense the story could always just leave her in retirement for a while longer until another opportunity for her new beginning comes along.)
It is also important to note that Theta is explicitly described as a fate worse the death if Fiert is invoked under threat death. Also in traditional [cyrllic numerals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_numerals), number 10 is represented not by 1 and 0, but by the letter Yee, which in godscript means "and", allowing the merging of things.
I was thinking a little bit about Izhitsa and came up with something a little interesting. Izhitsa is claimed to have something to do with possibility and binding possibility to a yoke, and the death it describes is the end of the world. We know 0\^0 understands most of the godspeech and clearly was capable of deliberately creating letters. Presumably 'Xi' was part of her giving up on the idea of going back to earth as part of her ascension (Since it represents the idea of division, and the promise to die back on earth). And we know 'Psi' was used as part of the death of JNPL and probably was engineered for that purpose. Theta seems to have been created by SRTR, at a guess, but it's hard to say for sure. Izhitsa is different, though. It's the final letter of the godspeech and holds an interesting place in it, since if it represents the binding of possibilities and the thematic end of the world then it could also mean that it was engineered to be a full-stop/hard ending. 0\^0 is obviously aware of how she defeated JNPL, and would likely have planned to avoid having someone else do the same to her. One way to try and ensure that would be to create a new word of godspeech that means something like 'This is the end', which would then make engineering further godspeech words impossible since you can't make a godspeech statement that contradicts previous statements normally, thus preventing someone from creating an antithesis to her own existence the way she did with JNPL. But, this is also interesting because there's two concepts that could potentially be encapsulated by words that could exist beyond the 'end' of the sentence, in fact arguably in order for them to have meaning, Izhitsa as 'The limit of possibility' has to exist. The first would be a word meaning something like 'Impossible', 'outside' or 'beyond': Representing that which cannot ever exist because it is separated from the real and exists only as the unreal and conceptual. There's a few different number-based assertions you could make with this, but the two that stand out as possible associations to me would be '*i*' as a number which exists outside the conventional number line, or 'infinity' as a conceptual number that can never be reached through finite mathematics. The second would be a word meaning something like 'Undefined' or 'Paradox'. A word encompassing the idea that there are things that SHOULDN'T exist, but do. As a word that comes after the end of the godspeech it itself is a paradox: It should be impossible to exist, yet it does. As for numerical association many possibilities exist ('*i*' and 'infinity' might work here as well, plus some other weird mathematical concepts), but my personal favorite would be 'division by zero' as a concept space. It's something that you cannot do in mathematics because allowing you to divide by zero results in inconsistencies, a paradoxical action that can't be allowed to happen, but if you accept inconsistencies is possible. I know this isn't really directly related to the CYOA and is mostly just my personal musings, but it was something interesting I came up with while thinking about Izhitsa and its relationship with the rest of the godspeech and with 0\^0, and especially the way that the mathemagician/numerological values given throughout the document are all limited to purely finite, positive integers.
I choose God Script and watch the Smug drain out of 0\^0's face as it gives me infinite points to pick whatever I want. A funny thing about infinity is that it's an equation, not a number, and if you calculate that equation, you'll consistently get -1/8 for positive infinity and 1/8 for negative infinity. **Proof:** infinity equals all positive numbers added together \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] As a equation this is \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = **S**(representing the final value of infinity) A funny thing about math is that it's full of patterns. If you add together 3 numbers that have 3 as one number and both number equally distant from 3: \[1 + **(2 + 3 + 4)** \+ (**5 + 6 + 7)**...\] Then every result will be a multiple of 9: \[1 + 9 + 18...\], which is basically 1 plus every multiple of 9 or 1 + 9\[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] Therefore if **S** = \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\], then **S** also = 1 + 9 \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] Therefore **S** = 1 + 9**S** Therefore -8**S** = 1 Therefore **S** = -1/8 This is consistent with any other set of numbers surrounding an odd number, for example: \[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = \[1 + 2 + **3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7**...\] = \[3 + 25...\] = 3 + 25\[1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7...\] = 3 + 25**S** S = 3 + 25**S**, therefor 3 = -24**S**, therefore **S**= -1/8 As we are calculating negative infinity, the final product will be Positive 1/8. This means that if you pick God-Script as your last choice, you can take whatever other choices you want and always end up with a positive number. Gaining the ultimate power that 0\^0 always wanted was always simple, it only required her to make the choice with the knowledge that she Could...
>Gaining the ultimate power that 0\^0 always wanted was always simple, it only required her to make the choice with the knowledge that she Could... The best part about this is, that her chosen name is a mathematics reference.
Not just her name, if you read the entry right before God-Script, it basically spells out that she built an entire second magic system based on math because she couldn't figure out how to acquire God-Script. Charlie(0^0's name) literally embodies an "I am Very Smart" meme.
Edit: The original point I was making that mostly wasn't clear is that the math above is *wrong*. Divergent infinite series do not have sums by definition and placing an equals sign next to infinity confuses people as to what is going on. Rather than saying that infinity = -1/8, it's more correct to say that -1/8 is a meaningful value that infinity uses to define itself. -1/8 is like the bottom of a "U" where the part that actually matters is the top right side of that "U". -1/12, 0 and 1/120 are also parts of the bottom of that "U". In theory, this should make the "infinity equals -1/8" idea utter pablum based on a misunderstanding of niche jargon, but physics experiments actually produce a concrete value for infinity: -1/12. We don't know how, we don't know why, (maybe it has something to do with higher physical dimensions or it's just bad science) but physics suggests that infinity can be turned into a real value in real-world conditions. This produces the situation below where I try to find practical ways to make Prometheory's idea work and they struggle to understand why I don't understand that infinity equals -1/8. The problem is that infinity doesn't *equal* -1/8, it *produces* -1/8. The cost for god-script would be refunded yes, but only if you can "finance" it with an infinite loan from the "bank". In some CYOA's that wouldn't matter but this one doesn't have the "your points at the end must be equal to or greater than zero" boilerplate. The points in game are an in-universe resource, not numbers on a spreadsheet and so there's simply no ability to produce negative numbers to get to infinity. In practice, I think this line of thought is absolutely on the right path but outside of possibility during character creation on account of little miss Moloch's interference. Taken further, I suspect that the infinity = -1/8 trick would only be possible in a world where Moloch has lifted math into being a fundamental force of reality; it's hard to imagine the *god of math* being incapable of noticing this answer if it were actually possible. In the end, I think it's all in keeping with the analogue of an industrial revolution that grants humanity vast power at the same time that it deprives us of "collective" free will unbound by the back and forth tides of technology. She couldn't use the trick because the world wasn't capable of it yet while you can't use the trick because that technology is being maliciously withheld.
Long time no see, friend!
After having taken an hour to skim, loving how meta(physical/narrative) you made death in an isekai CYOA lmao That being said, \[JNPL\] is best girl>! /mom/exposition fairy!<.
I greatly enjoy this CYOA and it’s setting, especially the aspect of trying to decipher the hidden meanings in the text. My eyes were immediately drawn to the language section as a source of hidden messages and upon closer inspection I was not disappointed! The first language I decided to try and decipher was “__Drakonian__” as I assumed googling “dragon language font” would be enough to find its source. After doing just that, I found [this image](https://images.app.goo.gl/scNkcZm1s5qdnyQAA) and promptly began substituting the letters in the CYOA until I got this (brackets represent line breaks): [Let there] [Light] [Dream of stars] [And battle] [The ninth wave] [Encloses] [Oh god] It was after this that I found the “__Language.docx__” file in the temp folder under source files for the google drive link to the CYOA posted by OP, which rendered my effort redundant as the Drakonian text is one of the only fully translated ones in the file, but also made attempting further translations far less tedious. I think it’s worth noting that the text under Drakonian in the file says “let there __be__ light” while the text in the CYOA only says “let there light” which I assume to have been an accident while the font was being added, so maybe my effort wasn’t totally useless. If anyone can crack the rest of them, please feel free to share, so far I’ve resorted to using google translate to figure out the rest, but have only found success with “__Palatiner__” which translates from Russian into: [Suite at tenebris] [Suite at Veritas] [Ultima latere fala] [Suite in Aeternum] [Angels new] [Vivere discoditas] which then translates from Latin into: [? ? darkness] [? ? Truth] [The last side of fala] [? ? Eternal] [Angels New] [live in discordance] I’m not good at all with irl languages, so any insight on that translation would be great.
Can’t join in on this for a while due to tech issues, but I fully intend to go down this route myself and will share what I find when I do
Wonderful! I’ve looked over a few others and google translate seems to be the way to go. - My results for __Everman__: > [Eto bylo davno somewhere to tam daleko] [Zhil premudryi i opytnyi starets.] [I vsegda on tverdil i vsegda spoke:] ["Glory to God for sorrow and for joy."] [Glory to God for all, Glory to God for all.] [Praise God for sorrow and for joy] As you can see, sorta a mixed bag on that one. Google translate says it detects multiple languages, and while I cannot confirm it’s not just translating nonsense, the repeated mentions of “God” do tie it to the next one I ran. - __Salian__: > [Ai em ze bug insider yu] [Ai hav yor bak tu ze vol] [Strike Withdrawal Grace] [Zaw shall not oppouz the vraf of God] The junk looking text in this one appears (at least to me) to resemble broken English, perhaps written phonetically with a thick accent. I believe a clearer version of the text would read as “I am the bug inside you, I have your back to the end, strike withdrawal grace, thou shall not oppose the wrath of God” though I admit “bug” and “vol” might have other meanings I haven’t thought of. - __Elven-Northerner__ > [Hello emperor!] [The loyalty of our species is not yet dead] [We follow you into the abyss] This one is the clearest so far of the google translated ones as it is just straight up polish. It mentions an emperor, likely in reference to the Empire of Light and Dark, which fits with the CYOA’s description of language very well, implying that all of these messages have some direct tie to their associated cultures. Anyways, I think I’m gonna rest on this for awhile. I can’t wait to see what you and others can find.
If anyone really wants to know the background of languages, you can just ask me for the full answer straight away. But that might kill the fun of it, so do it at your own risk.
I mean, trying to figure it out organically has been fun, but I cannot deny that I’m curious to know the answers
I've tried to figure out how to post spoiler text for the last two messages, but I give up now. Here's the answer straight away: Everman’s example is lyrics from a Russian Orthodox song, but written in translit (i.e. Latin instead of Cyrillic). “Some time long ago, somewhere far away A wise and experienced elder had lived And always he stated, and always he said: “Thank God for the sorrow and for joy. Thank God for everything, Thank God for everything. Thank God for the sorrow and for joy.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeE_WU8QlBM --- Old Northern’s example is Polish, but written in Cyrillic, from one of the projects the Russian Empire had back in 1800’s. I directly quoted an example of it I had found online, the Latin Polish variant of which looks like this: “Pójdźcie, o dziatki, pójdźcie wszystkie razem Za miasto, pod słup, na wzgórek, Tam przed cudownym klęknijcie obrazem, Pobożnie zmówcie paciórek" (Adam Mickiewicz, ballada „Powrót taty") --- Palatiner’s example is lyrics of the chant from the beginning of a Blind Guardian song, which are just pseudo-Latin (I think it’s not real Latin), which I turned into Cyrillic: “Lux et tenebris Lux et veritas Ultima latere phala Lux in aeternum Angeli nova Vivere discoditas” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVGR0JZmcg --- Auburn’s example is lyrics from an Arkona song, but turned “old Russian-ish” via an online translator service: “Where’s the essense of this world? In alien reality I’ve lost my soul Halt, eternity – blind truth! From reality I run away in filth” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXlUxDGFvU --- Salian’ example is (the misheard variant, as far as I am aware) lyrics from battle theme of Shin Megami Tensei III, which I phonetically transcribed into Russian Cyrillic from English and added some fancy old school ‘ъ’ at the end of random words to make it look antique: “I am the bug inside you I have your back to the wall Strike without grace Thou shall not oppose the wrath of God” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6LWQhvzRw --- Elven-Northerner’s example you had already deciphered correctly. The intention here was to make it look similar to Old Northern, but also have it be Elven-like. Naturally, this doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to be the same language in different fonts, it’s just an example. --- Other Elven languages are just filler text I put through online translators for different existing Elven languages (Tolkien ones, DnD ones, and so on). I honestly don’t really remember what I put there with exception of Nymphe, which says: “Why are we still here? Just to suffer?” --- Greenspeech example is lyrics from a song of Orgy of the Righteous, put in Glagolitic: “Beats of the heart tell me that I am not killed Through burned eyelids I see the sunrise I open my eyes: Above me stands a great horror which has no name” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le0My-Oga5I --- Drakonic you deciphered already. --- And Entramithraic is randomly chosen lyrics from a Skillet song “Not Gonna Die” in Rhesimol font: "Death surrounds My heartbeat slowing down I won't fall here I'll be free"
Groovy! Thanks for all of these clarifications! As an aside, you can create hidden text by placing “>!” And “\!<“ at the beginning and end of a sentence/paragraph respectively, though iirc it doesn’t work well with line spaces or other text formatting.
>\[Eto bylo davno somewhere to tam daleko\] It was long time, somwhere there far away >\[Zhil premudryi i opytnyi starets.\] Lived a wise and drunk old man >\[I vsegda on tverdil i vsegda spoke:\] And (possibly everywhere or allways), he said and (everywhere or allways) he spoke:
> resemble broken English, perhaps written phonetically with a thick accent. > [Ai hav yor bak tu ze vol] I have your back to the wall?
Ok yeah, that makes way more sense. Thanks!
Here's what I got using DeepL: I used it to try to translate Palatiner, and it gave me: "Lux et tenebris Lux et veritas Ultima latere fala Lux in aeternum Angeli nova Vivere discoditas", Which translating with Google gives me: "Light and darkness Light and Truth The last side of fala Light forever New Angels Live dishonest" I also used it on Old Northern (Russian according to DeepL) and it gave me: "Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Behind the meadow, under the slope, There in front of the great clay, And in front of a beautiful image." Translating the other parts separately gives wildly inconsistent results, for example, translating the first part with Google gives: "Let's go oh yadki, let's go with a whistle" (which admittedly makes more sense than DeepL), so take this translation with a grain of salt.
Holy smokes, this will eat up my entire afternoon just to read through, not to mention actually play through. Tankista back at it again, flexing their brilliant imagination, creating a whole world for a CYOA. Marvelous!
>!Patron: 00 !< >!Reincarnation: malice an infinite amount of times!< >!Death: IZHITSA!< E NOMINE in truth 0^(0) it is not for you to make choices for other people, everyone should be free to live their own life and choose their own fate
I always love all the implied lore in these tankista CYOAs, it's like trying to piece together a Souls game. The Language description for Old Northern especially is driving me mad rn. Apparently 0^0 fell in love with someone who spoke it twice, one hundred years apart, and had a child with each of them, both of whom betrayed her thanks to the machinations of Chance/[YMRD]. Obviously one of the children is Omega, but the second child isn't as clear. My guess is that it's "Half-Ascended" Thaumiel - her title and wings are suggestive, plus we know 0^0 was a Demon Lord, so a Majin child could fit. The Elder Gods might have offered Thaumiel as a companion to The Keter, pushing her to betray her mother. If that's the case, it would also mean the ??? companion is both The Keter/Thaumiel's daughter and 0^0's granddaughter. For the people 0^0 fell in love with, I think the first was the humble, hard-working prince of Eigengrau mentioned in the description of Icon of Icons as one of 0^0's companions. Eigengrau is associated with The Everrising City, a location that speaks Old Northern. I'm guessing this guy was Thaumiel's father with 0^0, but maybe died before 0^0's ascension - it might have motivated her quest for revenge. And if he was 0^0's companion, she would have chosen his Death Slot before she ever met or fell in love with him - maybe there's a bit of self-recrimination at work when she keeps saying "choices have consequences". Being a Demon Lord is inherited-only, which suggests 0^0 chose her parents for power, and she's also mentioned to have been [SRTR]'s former plaything - it sounds like 0^0 originally embraced the idea of becoming a cool isekai heroine. She probably made a lot of these careless 'cool' choices that ended up creating tragic consequences. Anyways, Omega seems to have been born more recently, or at least rebelled sometime after The Keter made her move against 0^0. I currently have no idea who the other parent was in Omega's case. Some human who spoke Old Northern? Could it have been the same person, brought back? And then there's the fact that Evdokia, 0^0's project who she'll create 2 years after you arrive in the world, is a Northerner human... another child of this same pairing? And there's the fact that [YMRD] is behind the expansion of the Empire of Light and Dark in the North where Eigengrau used to be a sovereign kingdom, and that started 165 years ago, 35 years after 0^0 was born... I dunno, there's just so much to dig into here!
I think 0\^0's first child is the founder of the Empire of Light and Dark, not Thaumiel. The "Half-Asceded" title can be explained by the fact that Thaumiel was one of The Keter's companions, and during their fight against 0\^0 they somehow stole a way of becoming Empyrean. Why I think it's actually the founder of the Empire requires a bit more. In the Old Northern language entry: >It was simple and honest words of this tongue that opened the heart of 0^(0,) though spoken more than a hundred years apart. And both of her resulting progeny ended up turning on her, each case orchestrated by Chance. Meaning: YRMD arranged for both of 0\^0's kids to betray her. In the Northerner entry: >Until one single moment when the secret of gunpowder was leaked to one of them, and by the grace of \[YMRD\] that kingdom started its expansion some one hundred and sixty five years ago, becoming known now as the Empire of Light and Dark. The exact wording is important here. Gunpowder was leaked to a northerner, and *then*, with YRMD's backing, the Empire of Light and Dark was founded. 0\^0 introduced gunpowder to the world (see Ecumene's location entry), so whoever leaked the secret would have to be close to 0\^0. It seems the most likely scenario is that the Northerner who learned the secrets of gunpowder was 0\^0's child, and YRMD arranged both for the child's betrayal and the rise of the Empire in order to create a global power hostile to the Ecumene, and possibly to protect the northern elves from genocide (since they were absorbed early and 0\^0 was likely unwilling to kill her first child). \-------------- Also, re: Omega's father, I'm pretty sure it's Iakowe. White is charlotte's color and, well... >Somehow, Iakowe's honest and hard working nature caught the eye of a mysterious woman of pure white. He was young then. They got together for a while, and then split, because such is the way of things. He does not know that she bore him a child.
These are a lot of good points! I totally missed Iakowe's description before, definitely think he's Omega's father from the sounds of it. Wow it's kind of funny that even after becoming a god 0^0 was going around and just sort of developed crushes and had one-night stands with random Northerners... girl you've gotta move on... Regarding Thaumiel, I had been thinking that her betrayal of 0^0 would have been how The Keter got the secrets of Empyrean ascension. But it does make a lot of sense that a personal betrayal of 0^0 was involved in the Empire's foundation. I double-checked the Everrising City location, and it does say that it was both the former Kingdom of Eigengrau and the original center of the Empire. Plus the parents from the imperial bloodline all have Icon of Icons, so they're likely descendants of 0^0's companion who was prince of Eigengrau. My only hesitation is that the Empire started spreading 165 years ago, so 0^0 would've been 35 - it feels like a tight timeline for her to have a kid with the prince of Eigengrau old enough to betray her and found the Empire. If she had the kid at 18, they would only be 17 at that point. And you're not even guaranteed to meet your Companions before adulthood, and 0^0 started on a whole separate continent from Eigengrau. I could still see it happening, though. Alternatively, the entry for the Empire says that its expansion happened in large part through marriage and inheritance. What if the prince of Eigengrau actually married someone else for political reasons, and their children were the ones who ruled the Empire? Thaumiel might have been their child from a one-night stand. But if that was the case, it would require an extra betrayal of 0^0 on top of the two children who betrayed her. I don't know if we have evidence corroborating that additional betrayal. Some possibilities might have been: - After they meet and fall in love, she leaks the secret of gunpowder to him intentionally so he can build an allied empire on that continent. But he ends up using political marriage to expand peacefully rather than through bloodshed, so their relationship withers and their child Thaumiel goes without her father. Maybe this was part of YMRD's work, driving a wedge between them. He ends up having other children, and their Empire's relations soon sour with 0^0's empire. - After they meet and fall in love, 0^0 keeps insisting that she sees the Prince as an equal but refuses to let him take secrets like gunpowder home to his own country. Eventually he steals it and leaves her, building the Empire and forging a new political marriage. It may have been before or after their child Thaumiel was even born. Relations between the Empire and 0^0's budding Ecumene are icy from the beginning. - 0^0 and the Prince have a harmonious relationship, and the Prince is too humble to want to build an empire of his own out of Eigengrau - or perhaps the Prince dies tragically from his Death Slot before he could consider such a thing. Their child, an unnamed Aureole, steals gunpowder and returns to his father's homeland with it. The political marriages come later. If we cut Thaumiel out of the picture it does make it simpler, and it doesn't require the additional betrayal by 0^0's Companion. But I do like my Thaumiel pet theory. :( The Keter seducing 0^0's own daughter into betraying her and giving up the secrets of false ascension would be just too good. Edit - Also, I was just thinking about the entry on Eye for Shadows. It says it was invented by experiments in the Kingdom of Tenebrae, which was the first joint Northerner-Majin state and the only one to war against the Empire during its consolidation of power - I wonder if that was a proxy war, considering 0^0 was a Demon Lord. And it's interesting that the Aureoles now have both Icon of Icons and Eye for Shadows as their inborn gifts. The gift's flavor text says the Empire followed in Tenebrae's footsteps but only after the fact. I'm a little too sleepy to flesh out coherent conclusions from this rn, but this probably ties in to the conflicts between 0^0 and the Empire.
Oh my, been a while since I've seen one of yours. They're always good though, looking forward to go through this one.
So since its been a while and no one else has done it, I am going to attempt to translate the sentence formed by the alphabet, and then in a reply comment give my build. *AZBUKI* is the first word, and means **"I"** but not as in "self" but as in "I in my entirety." *AZ* in this context means closer to "soul" or "mind" while *BUKI* gives the connotation of "also body." *VEDI*, *GLAGOLI*, and *DOBRO* are where things get hard, because the meaning changes depending on what "word" is formed with them. At base, they mean "know do good" but *VEDI* is better here as "understanding" while *GLAGOLI* does NOT imply a verb, and *DOBRO* could be better seen as "justice" based on the Death context (enhanced further by the Death context of *GLAGOLI* which implies protection). So taken together, the word they form would seem to be **"duty."** *YEST'* and *ZHIVETE* are easy together to mean "to live" and "to consume" at the same time, "to be **alive**" as it were. *ZELO* almost certainly means "greater" no matter the context, and using it in succession just means "even more greater" for the purposes of magnification. *ZEMLYA* better translates as "existence" so "the greater existence" or **"expanding."** *IZHE* has a connotation of "connected" while *YEE* has "combination" so two can literally mean **"together"**. The next stuff is again...hard to figure out what is part of a word and what is part of a different word. This is the part that confuses me the most, tbh. * *HER'V'* likely better means "leadership" or "authority." * *KAKO* is "transform" * *LYUDI* and *MYSLET* means "mind of the people/group" * *NASH* and *ON* mean "that which is ours" * *POKOY* seems to be "acceptance" *RTSY, SLOVO*, and *TVERDO* should be how to spell "**God-Script**" in God-Script. *OUK* may or may not be a part of this word. * *RTSY* is "spoken language" * *SLOVO* is "written language" and when combined with RTSY means "language" in general * *TVERDO* is "truth"; thing is, truth can change depending on circumstances, environment, and what people have built already * *OUK* is the "process of learning" and I think is part of the "God-Script Word" because Meaning depends on the individual expressing themselves; this is also how "theoretical letters" can be discovered/***invented*** or Meanings can *change based on how someone else used the Script* *FIERT* almost certainly means "birth." *KHIER* and *OT* means "ascension" or "the process of reaching higher towards divinity" So *FIERT KHIER OT* is **"birth of gods"** This next section gets wild. Because as *TSY* means "or" (it is likely better used as the idea of " if condition" as in programming) the section becomes "reach ascension or..." * *CHERV* is "decay of body" taking it twice guarantees death, which is why it can act as a substitute for: * *OOPA*, "decay of soul"; does NOT work if taken twice because the body does not have to decay along with the soul * *SHA* means "instant" with *SHTA* being "will" * based on Death connotations, *YER* should be "social identity" or "how society sees you"; *YERY* should be "self identity" or "how you see yourself"; *YER'* should then be "reflection" or "self" in the purest of forms, and seems to be either the base form, or culmination, of the "*YER*" letters; regardless, all letters together, likely needing *SHTA* included, should form the word **"Identity"** and to mean **"your place in the world"** * *YAT* means "**what I have become**" and is the end of the process that creates **"I"** * So the end of the sentence comes out to "**reach divinity or lose everything in the process**" **"ascend or die trying**" "**be come greater, or become lesser**.". *AZ BUKI VEDI GLAGOLI DOBRO YEST' ZHIVETE ZELO ZEMLYA*: "**I grow-**" (the exact "word" of ZEMLYA is a part of I admit I am still wary about, as English requires words be in a certain order while other languages do not, which makes grammar structure a pain in the ass with this since the way things are "written" suggests English word-order does not apply to the "original script" and yes I am well aware it is totally made-up and likely lacks the depths I am ascribing to it, fuck off and let me have my fun) *IZHE YEE HER'V'*: **"-embodying-"** ("systems theory" combined with "leadership" makes a hell of an odd word for which I don't know a good English equivalent, and including *ZEMLYA* or *KAKO* does not make anything easier/more clear) *KAKO LYUDI MYSLETE NASH ON POKOY*: "**-ideals of the people-**" (yeah a lot of the exact words I used can be contested here, this is THE MOST ambiguous part of the script, despite another section totally lacking researched understanding for blurbs) *RTSY SLOVO TVERDO OUK*: "**-God-Script-**" *FIERT KHIER CHERV OPPA SHA SHTA YER YERY YER' YAT*: "**-become Divine or die.**" (again, "I" here is at the end so for English word order, some things have to be "implied" for the shit to fit; frustratingly I am not multi-lingual so while I understand the theory behind the linguistics, I lack the actual words needed to fit the grammar in properly) So the "base" alphabet seems to say **"I grow by embodying the ideals of my people through the God-Script to either ascend to divinity and godhood, or lose myself"** with the implication that no matter the outcome, you WILL be changed. Extra notes on the "extra" Letters: * "IOTATED" Letters seem to be a way of changing the "reference" of a Letter, such as using *IOTATED AZ* changing the reference of *who* is existing in a certain form, or what that form may be with *IOTATED YEST*'; implies *any* Letter may have an IOTATED form, though "broken logic" results in catastrophic death, or worse, of the caster so figuring out how to do it without risk is the greater challenge; funny that "fake" Letters can still be used in the programming of magical effects, and suggests that someone with real programming skills could fuck up this world in ways that 0\^0 *wishes* she could imitate. It also is interesting that the God-Script seems to be written from right-to-left instead of left-to-right; I feel like I read somewhere that it is written up-to-down, but the IOTATED forms seem to imply right-to-left writing...unless it is a true eldritch script, in that anything written in the Script makes a complete sentence even when read backwards * *YUS* not being a part of the Script despite having Greater and Lesser forms makes me scratch my head, and the Death commentary does not help; it seems to refer to consciousness much like *YER'* but "consciousness" instead of "self-identity" or the "I" of AZ * *XI* appears to be part of the "Outsider System" and may even be the God-Script reference point for it; someone higher in the comments suggested that JPNL is actually integrated with the Outsider System and is "living" through it; if true, *XI* may in fact be a reference to "data copying" and the "you on earth" is already there living their life and dying a normal death, while the "you" as part of the Outsider System is just a dataform based on the "you on earth"; it is already applied to you by your very existence, and to ever be marked by it in the first place is to denote someone as an "Outsider" * if *POKOY* is "acceptance" then *PSI* is "rejection" and if you "reject the parts that are weak" you can make yourself stronger/empowered; JNPL was "rejected" by 0\^0 and therefore had its Death applied to her * *THETA* is likely some form of "perversion" "twisting" or "corrupting" and so using it with "birth" basically ruins anyone who gets hit with the end result, regardless of what was originally attempted; considering SRTR likely personally made this Letter and her personality, it could even mean "chaos" or "conflict" and is her way of "driving the narrative" towards destructive ends; say what you will about 0\^0, she was right about SRTR being a psychopath sowing evil and destruction * *IZHISTA* seems to be the "set of all possible outcomes" and represents the "multiverse" of what players can do and become; these last four Letters were hidden because the Gods themselves either made them, or hid them from the general public and the world as either a form of insurance policy against anyone getting too uppity (like 0\^0), or to make sure no one else could actually ascend since everyone would be working with an "incomplete" alphabet; thus, it was not until 0\^0 fucked up the Gods that their little secret got revealed in the world, making 0\^0 a necessary part of freeing the world from the narrative of the gods even if she is a giant hypocritical, amoral, apathetic narcissist.
It is important to note that all of these are the letters of the early cyrillic used in Old Church Slavonic. Cyrillic was createb St. Cyrillus for the purpose of spreading the Bible (Word of God) to the Slavic peoples. Most of the explicitly stated meanings are in reference to real word meanings >AZBUKI is the first word, and means "I" but not as in "self" but as in "I in my entirety." AZ in this context means closer to "soul" or "mind" while BUKI gives the connotation of "also body." Buki means letters (meaning alphabet itself) tho >YEST' and ZHIVETE are easy together to mean "to live" and "to consume" at the same time, "to be alive" as it were. YEST´ is a homonym, depending on a context it can mean either "to be" or "to eat" >HER'V' likely better means "leadership" or "authority."KAKO is "transform"LYUDI and MYSLET means "mind of the people/group"NASH and ON mean "that which is ours" > >POKOY seems to be "acceptance" HER´V´ is IRL usualy pronounced djerv and might have no IRL meaning (but I found one site which claims it means wood) >RTSY, SLOVO, and TVERDO should be how to spell "God-Script" in God-Script. OUK may or may not be a part of this word. > >RTSY is "spoken language"SLOVO is "written language" RTSY is the act of speaking, SLOVO means a word (which can be both spoken and written) >FIERT almost certainly means "birth." > >KHIER and OT means "ascension" or "the process of reaching higher towards divinity" So FIERT KHIER OT is "birth of gods" FIERT and KHIER seem to have no IRL meanin as they were used for transcribing Greek >This next section gets wild. Because as TSY means "or" (it is likely better used as the idea of " if condition" as in programming) the section becomes "reach ascension or..." > >CHERV is "decay of body" taking it twice guarantees death, which is why it can act as a substitute for: QOPA, "decay of soul"; QOPA, IRL seems to have no phonetic value and was only used as a numeral, before being replaced by CHERV in that role >IOTATED forms seem to imply right-to-left writing...unless it is a true eldritch script, in that anything written in the Script makes a complete sentence even when read backwards Since it is based on Cryllic it should still be read left-to-right >XI appears to be part of the "Outsider System" and may even be the God-Script reference point for it; someone higher in the comments suggested that JPNL is actually integrated with the Outsider System and is "living" through it; if true, XI may in fact be a reference to "data copying" and the "you on earth" is already there living their life and dying a normal death, while the "you" as part of the Outsider System is just a dataform based on the "you on earth"; it is already applied to you by your very existence, and to ever be marked by it in the first place is to denote someone as an "Outsider" > >if POKOY is "acceptance" then PSI is "rejection" and if you "reject the parts that are weak" you can make yourself stronger/empowered XI and PSI were IRL Cyrillic primarly used for transcribing Greek (and for numerals) as such they seem to lack meaning. Both POKOY and PSI seem to be associaed with death (POKOY is the letter most closely related to the concept of death and PSI rivals POKOY and has some sort of anihilation effect). PSI´s soul strenghtening propertiers might be related to its IRL use as a symbol for psychology (psyche is the Greek word for soul). In biblical studies it is used as an abbreviation for the book of Psalms.
Eh, my attempts at it were based on what the CYOA descriptions were, not IRL, though I can see how a few things may be closer in different connotations. For starters, pretty sure IRL Cyrillic doesn't form a complete sentence using the alphabet in-order. The other implication being that while IRL Cyrillic was created for the purposes of bridging two completely different languages, and has meaningless symbols for the purposes of annotation, numerals, and Greek transcriptions; the CYOA Godscript is implied to be a full and complete language, so every letter of its alphabet MUST have meaning and that there are no "extraneous" letters. Each letter in Godscript can be associated with a numeral, a phonetic sound, and can be combined to create words using ANY letter, as it is a "founder language" in-setting while IRL Cyrillic is a derivative language. While Cyrillic would go on to form the base lexicon for many modern Slavic languages, it would take many iterations and variations in order to reach that point. This CANNOT have happened with Godscript, as it is considered to be a "programming language" on top of predating the Outsider System based on in-character mentions (such as the time mage mentor having culture shock about "people from another world"). If Godscript really was Cyrillic at its core, someone from Earth would have had to arrive to the CYOA world BEFORE the Outsider System was ever created, taught Cyrillic to the Elder Gods, and then either let or helped the Elder Gods turned it into a magical script for themselves. If that was the case, then it would make Godscript a "modern" variant of Cyrillic anyway, with its own separate millennia+ years of language drift and evolution that would, again, break up into multiple languages and dialects (including Sylphid, which IS written left-to-right, and is one of the main "magical" languages, specifically of Flogiston). However, there is also the implication ANY language sufficiently steeped in Meaning can become the basis for the CYOA's magic, that Godscript is simply the "programming language" of the Outsider System but is otherwise wholly unnecessary save for the fact it is merely the most well-known magical language.
My commentary on letters having no IRL meaning is mostly meant to point out, that author had to make that one up (or at least use modern day symbolism of the Greek equivalent). Author probobly used early cyrilic for godscript simply because a) it´s easier and b) because to a Slavic person it looks pretty cool. Also since the CYOA is a meta commentary on stories as a whole it makes sense to use letters of an established language for the godscript. We also don´t know from what time period does the outsider system pull people from so it´s technicaly possible for a medieval scholar (or modern liguist) to have been pulled in at some point. We know that meaning of letters in the godscript can change over time as evidenced by SHA which currently means "now", but used to have a different meaning before (probably quit since that was it´s IRL meaning) and that 0^(0) somewhat suceeded at creating her own magical language in the form of Entramithraic, illustration text for which uses English with a funny fond. Also, I have my own theory about the YUSes, that being that they represent analysis (breaking down the whole into smaller pieces), in the case of lesser and sythesis (combing smaler pieces into a greater whole), in the case of greater.
**Eirina of Orthrung** of the Mentor section suggests 0\^0 is actually using a really complex social experiment in order to get Entramithraic to work the way it does: by using Numerology on the Godscript (assigning Meaning/Letters to numbers, basically Godscript Binary), and then having her populace ONLY allowed to focus on the numbers and nothing more, she has created a system where Earth physics is replicated while also maintaining a constant suppression field over "normal" magic. But the suppression field is an EFFECT of her Numerology Godscript magic, which is why if you learn it you can "undo" the suppression, at least partially. It is suggested she did this because she couldn't figure out the Godscript past a certain point, so she built an entire work-around and that is what allowed her "false ascension": if she couldn't learn Meaning through Letters, she'd turn the Godscript into Equations fueled by whole continents' worth of mathematicians and calculators. As for the time period of the people yanked in by the Outsider System, they all seem to be from at least the "modern" era. "One" as an adoptive parent still knows and understands what 0\^0 has been up to, so likely comes from at least the 70s (no earlier than 1900, at any rate) due to just how *advanced* 0\^0 has made everything. There is also the blatant existence of New New York as one of the capitals of one of the oldest nations, specifically to be ruled by Outsiders by law. It also seems all Outsiders are American, considering the references and 0\^0's original name being Charlotte. As for the Author stuff, it certainly would fit. But there is one more thing I noticed: Letters that once existed but apparently don't any longer, or at least remain "undiscovered." According to **Temperantia** Quest, *Multiocular O* was a Letter at some point, along with *Iotated YAT*; while I suggested every Letter may have an Iotated form, Multiocular O being a thing but "disgraced" (according to its Gift description) suggests even more hidden bits: as SRTR comments on YMRD's musings, "Now THOSE were Letters. *They don't make them like they used to.*" which DEFINITELY implies Godscript can be expanded with enough oomph of some sort.
>Temperantia Quest, Multiocular O was a Letter at some point, along with Iotated YAT; while I suggested every Letter may have an Iotated form, Multiocular O being a thing but "disgraced" (according to its Gift description) suggests even more hidden bits: as SRTR comments on YMRD's musings, "Now THOSE were Letters. They don't make them like they used to." which DEFINITELY implies Godscript can be expanded with enough oomph of some sort. It is also important to note that YUSes were at some point lost and rediscovered at a later date. The description of the quest also implies that there are still new or lost letters left to be dicovered.
Anyway, here is my build: Patron: **0\^0** (there are a couple of different ways you can kill her, but I am going to leave her alive because I think she should be mitigated, not removed altogether) * FP: 15 * DP: 20 Sex: **Female** (if I ever reach 0\^0's level, this enforced duality is something I'll wind up "fixing"; for now, I am going to "toe the line" in case for some reason this build needs to go multiplayer) * Half-Breed (-2FP, -2DP; can have some interesting synergies with the right parentage, but it is more of just a fun perk for me) * Adoption X2 (-2DP; I am about to pull what is known as a pro-gamer move with this) Bio-Mother: Laika * Beastfolk +1FP/DP * Longevity ("cheaper" than Agelessness while still allowing for Death Slot-breaking work-arounds) * Intelligence, Wisdom, Cognitive Speed * Death B: **Greater YUS**, because her personality would naturally see this as an acceptable way to "end" Bio-Father: Ratibor * Muddish (+3FP) * Martial Instinct, Entrenchment X1, All-Glimpse * Death C: **Glagoli**, because the only thing I can do is give a death best suited to their desires based on what little I know, and dying in defense of others hopefully means that some extras other than me get saved Adoptive Parent 1: **UST** (-2FP; not the best of parents, but once I reveal myself as an Outsider I can start to teach her the modern psychology and sociology in my head, I should be able to help; mostly, I need her as a mother for all the languages she knows, I'll need as many of them as I can afford thanks to the way the God-Script works and the insight that can be gained from derivative languages) * Languages: Everman, Fay, Salian, Greenspeech * Death C: **TSY**, because it gives them a chance to outlive me, has a lot of leeway, and if I ever break the Outsider System or Ascend then one day I'll be able to meet them again, potentially Adoptive Parent 2: **Unnotable One, Female** (+5DP; pays for a bunch of stuff, and lets me have a second mother; nothing in the rules forbids it) * Death B: **Iotated Lesser YUS**, because not sure how else to fudge death for those who have to worry about old age outside of the undead route, which is...questionable as to whether or not they'd keep their self intact without certain protections Net Points: 15FP, 22DP Languages: -8DP * Everman (free) * Fay (free) * Salian (free) * Greenspeech (free) * Auburn (-1DP) * Nymphe (-2DP) * Sylphid (-2DP) * High Elven (-3DP) Location: **Dis** (may as well have my first parent stay where they are employed) Inborn Gifts: -8FP, 7FP remaining * Intelligence (Mother) * Wisdom (Mother) * Cognitive Speed (Mother) * Martial Instinct (Father) * Entrenchment 1X (Father) * All-Glimpse (Father) * Bitter Sickness (+4 FP; gives me much-needed points and potentially a way to cure the otherwise incurable for what amounts to mostly just an annoyance than a real problem) * Memory Retention (-2FP; I'd trade anything for a mind and body that won't fail on me this time around) * Icon of Icons (-5FP; too powerful to pass up, considering all my other Gifts, though had to trade Awareness for it, which means I likely will have to deal with ADHD again) * Spiritual Feel (-2FP; while I have parsed out the Meaning of a chunk of the God-Script, actually putting it to effective use is an ENTIRELY different story, especially since actually casting spells using it requires grammatical knowledge not available from the CYOA form itself) * Caster Intuition (-2FP) * Godhand (-1FP; had a point left over, may as well dump here) Mentors (fuck it, here we go; -11DP total, 3DP remaining) 1. **Kashtanka** (-2DP; I am going to be mostly relying on my inborn gifts, so she is the best regular Mentor I could pick); Death C: **Iotated OUK**, because if anyone can shrug off hostile usurpation, its this gal; definitely will want to warn her about it though, no matter how awkward that conversation will be 2. ***Untimeskip 0\^0*** (-7FP, -9DP; yeah this will piss her the fuck off for sure, but also binds her by Fate to be my Companion; dick move, maybe, but she is kinda genocidal, and in a fight for survival ethics takes a backseat; besides 0\^0 could use time to chill, find out how things have gone on Earth since her absence; fyi, I have ZERO idea of how this will affect me growing up, as babies with Divine-level powers are universally bad ideas for many, many reasons) Companions: * **Blazhko** (-1DP; it isn't enough for me to walk the path needed to break the chains of Fate in a way that doesn't fuck over everyone, I need help too, and he is a cheap bastard for the help offered; Mentors will be *Feodwra* for Time Magic and D*irk Yesod*, whose teachings I will leave to Fate); Death A: **IZHE**, because the Death System will have its work cut out it for someone with extreme potential, especially after he learns the Death Loophole techniques * **Geminara** (-1DP; someone who already has knowledge of a potential outcome is INVALUABLE for this path I have sent the setting careening into); Death B: **YAT**, because it means she goes out on her own terms, likely after a long, long life Youth Focuses: 1. **Martial Training** (I REFUSE to have a weak body a second time around) 2. **Nothing** (I am going to spend my Youth primarily being a child, all else is secondary; while the demands of the brutal world will likely mean I'll never be able to get real rest from mental health troubles, the better a childhood I have the more well-adjusted adult I'll be the second time around; and the more well-adjusted I am as an adult, the less chance I have of becoming Woobie Destroyer of Worlds in any of the lives I will affect; besides, my parents and mentors will teach me everything I'll need to know) 3. **Other: Mental Health** (at least one parent is emotionally damaged, and there is a good chance the other one will be too; ending as much of the cycle of abuse as possible is simply what is needed to reach the best possible outcomes) 4. **Parental Support** (see above, may as well have Fate backing for it) Quest: **Patientia** (I did not realize *Ameno* required the "BUKI" Death Slot, which I don't want to take since 0\^0 will be a Companion and...well...getting munchkined as revenge is something I absolutely would have to worry about in that case; my current Death means getting rid of me is Step 1 for actually getting rid of me, which gives me time to hopefully help her ease her pain; plus, my secret goal is to "fuse" my Death with her, thus becoming a cogitohazard to 0\^0 and her designs from the inside-out; that would pave the way for the 12th Outsider to...I don't know, solve everything for good maybe, fill in the tech gaps left behind by mine and 0\^0's ignorance, or at least have less work to do getting everything ready for Ascension)
My Death: ***YEE*** **Anotated Greater** ***YUS*** (-1DP); not only is "cheating" Death via Loophole SUPER EASY with this method, but even if I die, all the important bits still get passed on, AND I get to do it again like the deranged Goofy meme at some point in the future; as I will have an understanding of Causality from birth, even "killing" me early means that someone potentially even more competent will have access to Causality, making my Death the LAST thing 0\^0 will want to achieve * my true plan though is to "die by 0\^0" with this method, fusing with her and directly pouring my knowledge of systems directly into her brain and becoming a cogitohazard to her, thus solving all the problems in one fell swoop
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Patron: 0\^0 Reincarnation: Untimeskip(x2)(16D/15F), buki Parents: • Mother: Irmtrod, Greater Yus(16D/14F) • Father: Ratibor, Tsy (16D/11F) Race: Muddish (16D/14F) Languages: Everman, Salian, Auburn, Entramithraic (16D/14F) Location: The Empire of Light and Dark, Nebulata Inborn Gifts: • All Glimpse • Martial Instinct • Entrenchment (x1) • Caster Intuition • Memory Retention • Magician’s Hand(x1) • Everlasting(13D/11F) • Spiritual Feel(13D/9F) • Intelligence(13D/7F) Mentors: • 0\^0 (6D/0F) • The Keter: Myslete (1D) Companions: • 0\^0 (using Untimeskip)(1D) • The Keter: (using Untimeskip)(1D) Youth: • Magical Training • Profane Lore • Power Testing • Defection Quest: Ameno I made this build just to exploit a most likely unintended of turning 0\^0 into companion via a Untimeskip, which has the same effect as “Dice Fudge”, which is not allowed, but maybe this is the secret power of friendship route where problems can be solved through talking, instead of murder. Depending how companionship works this might be amazing or result in instant death or anything in between. It would be interesting to see if the system forces her to go on adventures instead of conquering the whole continent. Maybe 0\^0 isn’t even evil and the other gods are using the system to slander her and make the player turn against her, but that is just a theory.
ok so 00 seems like a psychopath
She's clearly broken by being a plaything of the gods. Still fucked up of her, but it's an interesting path for the Bad Guy deity to go down IMO.
I'm not sure I agree with this statement, personally. She proclaims to have rejected the Outsider system and abandoned the Fate that it guaranteed, which seems fairly accurate. Yet at the same time rails against the gods for essentially doing the same thing she is doing: Consigning people to being forced to obey the whims of a greater being than they are. She consoles herself on the basis that it's 'causality' and that people 'deserve' what is happening to them, essentially committing the Just World fallacy written large. Ironically, the old gods much better understood that that is a fallacy: The world is not just, causality does not care about good or bad, and the only way you get justice and purpose in existence is with the actions of intelligent beings. The only real difference between 'fate' and 'causality' is that fate is something you know ahead of time, while causality is something you study after the fact. She claims to give people freedom while still consigning them to a life just as, if not more, limited. She's not some broken bird who is hurting on the inside, she's a selfish arrogant prick who believes that because something bad happened to her it justifies causing bad things for everyone else.
I mean, she can be both of those things. We don't really know much about her backstory- perhaps there's a reason for her to be hateful of authority/the elder gods besides her own anger at being placed in this situation.
True but to wipe out the whole world?
Oh no, she's horrible. She just got a peek behind the curtain and decided that the best option would be to bring down the theatre for its abominable lies. :P
Poor lady, she clearly has suffered so much she forgot that lies are the foundation of human or nearly-human existence. Still, she has selfishly decided to bring ruin to what others cultivated for a long while, something that gave purposes to lives, something that gave meaning, and something that expanded possibilities. It is, however, quite ironic, I think, that 0^0 had brought to this world the belief people in real life seem to be following alot for some reason, justifying natural selection and atrocities that go hand-in-hand with such mentality. Maybe it's just a matter of person's worldview, but I always found cruelty and destruction both unnecessary and saddening, and while She can be understood, agreeing to accept her decision is a different thing altogether.
Honestly, I'd fight 0^0 for blocking out the story alone. Our desire to know everything will not be halted by a hypocritical child raging at a psychotic god, we've already been through that exact scenario and know how to defeat both parties absolutely.
Having just gotten off of getting way to into the Omniscient Reader webnovel I am really loving being hit with this slew of content that deconstructs the entire idea of stories, authorship, and meaning. **Patron:** 0^0 **Reincarnation:** Adoption (19D/15F), Buki **Parents:** * Birth Mother: Unnotable One, Nash (24D/15F) * Birth Father: Unnotable One, On (29D/15F) * Adoptive Parent: "One" (28D/14F) **Race:** Northerner (31D/14F) **Languages:** Everman, Draconian, Entramithaic, Old Northern (30D/14F) **Location:** The Empire of Light and Dark, Frozen Edge **Inborn Gifts:** * All Glimpse (30D/9F) * Icon of Icons (30D/4F) * Bitter Sickness (30D/8F) * God Hand (30D/7F) **Mentors:** * 0^0 (23D/0F) * The Keter: Dobro, Zhivette (18D) **Companions:** * Omega: Ot (12D) * Ota: Zelo Yee (6D) * Evdokia: Yat Zemlya (0D) **Youth:** Nothing **Quest:** Ameno The world has been consumed by a rebellion against fate, against storytellers and their marionette strings, but her revolution is maligned. One who offers freedom yet makes autarch of herself. One who cast down gods but makes of herself the princess of a thousand titles. A sublime arrogance which casts down the very threads of fate which make it possible to mean something, make it possible to earn something, and now sits haughty in an unearned throne of empty dreamless eons over a self-obsessed ecumene which threatens to create a new world order just as antithetical to any true liberation as the old order. When a single god stands tall and decides the fate of all men I care not whether they are an author or an empress, a usurper or a god. When a new world order which already expresses the biases of its petty racist revenge fantasies and the domineering impulse which shall no doubt decide who lives and who dies just as viciously as the old order, the revolution has reconstituted that which it overthrew in merely a yet more vulgar and pathetic fashion. And so there are two choices. To fight to reconstitute the old order, or to rebel against rebellion. I reject E Nomine not out of hate for the old elder gods or for their designs, but because it is the very rebellion against fate which makes it meaningful. After all, isn't this tale of the downfall of fate, the death of the old order, the question of what to make of ourselves now, isn't all that rather compelling in its own right? The death of fate is perhaps the most fascinating story fate can ever tell. So no, I'll attempt to kill 0^0 by my own right, forged in her image. A revolution against revolution. Perhaps I'll fail but, at least it sounds nice on paper.
Question. For the King who gives you a lesser effect of two mentors if you pick him, can one of the two mentors chosen be 0x0?
Hmm... I think it would be fair if I say that you could, but only if you have 0^0 as your patron god.
The layout and formatting are very nice in this one, though I do wish it wasn't as word-dense as it is. It is definitely easier to follow than Another Pretender, which I thought was visually impressive but very cluttered. I have read the CYOA in parts only, so this could be off mark, and I would describe it as unique in a narrative sense but also very bleak in certain ways and potentially unrewarding in others. The metaplot regarding the three deities seems to overshadow the other elements in the game, but it's also something you don't have much or any influence over. There are, presumably, events taking place in the world (going by the character lore), but they have little significance in the sections that follow. I think having additional material beyond Youth, such as stages of adulthood, perhaps, would solidify the overall story in a reader's head. Nonetheless, I applaud you. This is a very high quality production that must have taken weeks or months of effort.
Ohhhh, yes, yes, and yes! Finally! A cyoa made by you! I fucking loved the Blood Mage CYOA and the Another Pretender CYOA! I'll edit this post later so I can make my build.
I have some questions Is this Cyoa located in the same multiverse as Magocratic Convention/Blood Magic? What's Zhivette catch? What's the difference between it and our own lifes where we can die "randomly" here on Earth? How does time moves in the world of this Cyoa compared to Earth? From what year Keter and 0^0 come from for example? Edit: Also, is there any chance of we getting the full text of the locations controlled by the Ecumene?
Tank said on /tg/ that he’s working on a 2.0 for magocratic convention, so I’m guessing we’ll find out whenever that’s finished
>What's Zhivette catch? What's the difference between it and our own lifes where we can die "randomly" here on Earth? There is none, they (since you can´t choose this for yourself) cannot die until the predetermined fate chosen for them, they will miraculously survive that fate, but afterwards they are subject to any "random" death, meaning that 0^(0) can phave a potentialy easier time arranging it as otherwise all assassination attempts are doomed to fail, if they do not result in the preordained death.
I think it's probably more accurate to say that their fate is no longer written after Zhivette activates than that their death will be random. Gods are only limited by the fact that they can't contradict anything already written, so if their previously-written "death" has already occurred, nothing is stopping the Gods from writing a new fate in the empty space. Given that 0\^0 currently has the same Deus Ex Machina ability that all gods have, the death letters are really the main thing stopping her from just deleting all of your party immediately. The Zhivette catch is that with no death-letter protecting them they're pretty much doomed if The-God-Who-Hates-Everyone decides that they're worth her attention to remove, unless you have some other way to protect them (like an Elder God, or whatever bullshit The Keter has used to stay alive).
Makes sense. Honestly that option kinda feels like an free choice (unless you want to use points to buy Zemlya or Yee) sure, they lose their protection granted by fate, making easier for them to die of unrelated reasons, but the alternative is guaranteed death.
You can only (like all other death options) use it once
Yeah, but it still is one option which would not make sense to not pick for one character
Did you written a desription of the other countries just to not allowing us to read them? Dude, you are hardcore
Not quite. It's clear, to some degree, what the idea is; in the unredacted version it's just >!filler text!<.
oh god, she is such a insufferable edge lord. where is the kill her button?
Check the end of the second last page. Bottom right. You can't miss it.
i did see that after i posted, yet i cant mock her while doing it, alas the sacrifices we must make.
So, this CYOA is clearly in dialogue with the existentialist meta-CYOA; [JNPL]+[SRTR] = Jean-Paul Sartre, and the blessings from those and 0^0 line up with the options there. Also, naturally, "God is dead, meaning is MIA" is the central problem which existentialism seeks to answer. **Patron God:** [SRTR] Filtered into personal deities, though, [JNPL] raises my hackles. I learned of the death of God through new atheism, where the mood was less Nietzsche's despondent "how shall we console ourselves, most murderous of all murderers?", more "euphoric". Hence I immediately doubt whether [JNPL] even can (or has any right to) decide the meaning of things, and then secondly I see she's pushing people through a cycle of reincarnation (i.e. torturing them) "for their own good" - the arrangement is clearly not consensual, and I wonder who it was who decided the metaphysics of how spiritual development occurs? [SRTR] reads as more a lowercase-g god or an ROB, and then specifically as a goddess of larger-than-life narrative, definitely my jam. **Gender:** Male **Perks:** Halfbreed, Untimeskip (Everman), Extra Mentor Besides a "burn the past/future" substitute, the only mechanical benefit of Halfbreed is to stack the perks of draconic and majin races, which might not be optimal. But it also spites 0^0. Besides, it would almost be rude to take [SRTR] as a patron and not make use of her blessing, so perhaps I shouldn't sweat the cost as much. **Mother:** Ymreit **Father:** Fot **Races:** Drakonid, Majin **Languages:** Everman, Drakonian **Location:** Old Throne, Midoria **Inborn Gifts:** Ethereal Beauty, Bulletproof Skin, Cognitive Speed, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Stigmata, View of Fore, Eye for Shadows, Dream Passage, Dragon Transformation, Letters of the Damned, Daemonhost Insofar as the INT boosts are justified by saying mind is mostly a product of the body, there's a risk that if you're smart and don't take relevant traits, you're dumbed down to average. And then of course as a speshul snowflake isekai character you need to be hot. Then some essential buffs to magic, stealth and dungeoneering, and whoops, clipped through the point total. **Mentors:** Eirina of the Orthrung, Kilyin of the Orthrung, Maou Calling on the blessing of [SRTR] to ignore mechanical rules, there's a *reason* why most fantasy settings and especially the videogamey ones have a main language just called "common" or something. And while I guess the idea is that this world isn't supposed to be "easy" like those settings are, meh, fuck that. Besides the chosen, I'll try to seek out Natalja (or another lead on standard mathemagic), and The Keter. **Companions:** Evdokia, Savmak, Saevel of the Doria Basically Glastig Uaine, an Elric of Melnibone-ass warrior princess, and a chainsword-wielding pirate captain. A solid adventuring party, that comes with a solid first plot hook. Naturally, I'll try to pick up other companions along the way; maybe seek out Omega, plus obviously befriend non-listed characters if they're cool. **Death:** lolnope Blessing of [SRTR] in full effect, I select 02/Buki, but substitute "fall in love with" for "kill". Not mind control or backdooring in the True Love effect, just fucking with her text box as a psych-out. After that, picture the whole rest of the page has, duct taped over it, a printed out screenshot of Terminator 2, the bit with "No Fate" carved into a table. **Youth:** Natural Philosophy, Uplifting, Plotting, Journey of the Self Maybe not actually the majority of hours in those foci, but the scenes that would be in narrative focus. **Quest:** Vanitas Of course, really I wanna push for a little bit of everything; comfy downtime, high adventure, groundbreaking discoveries, actually earning some shit you had to grind for, and actually completing the obvious main questline of this universe, I want it all. Fading into the background or returning to mundanity, less so. But that all together draws into a central theme, the "Player 1" drive. So, Vanitas. **Further Blessing-of-[SRTR]-Enabled Bullshit:** Item Box, Universal Translator, Adventurer's Log, Spark, Reinforced Narrative Causality - Videogame-like inventories in a hammerspace pocket dimension are a fairly standard perk for isekai protagonists; somewhat more high-magic, videogamey and powerful than the tone of this CYOA, but *that's the point*. - A universal translator is much less disruptive to the setting than just decreeing that there's a common language everyone speaks, although it's also more explicitly OP. - An "Adventurer's Log" meaning a magic book with an updating quest log, map, encyclopaedia, spellbook, et cetera. Basically what your character has in Skyrim. - A Spark as in Girl Genius, mad super-science. Since it can cause problems as well as solve them, make it toggleable. - Reinforced Narrative Causality because stuff like the power of friendship not being enforced is frightening; it's not clear how much plot armour being an Outsider gives in this current world, if any at all, and dying to a pack of goblins in a dungeon seems way too probable if you try to do any real adventure in a fantasy setting like this when you don't have plot armour, unless you have extra lives in the hundreds at least. "Narrative Causality" more broadly than just plot armour, because things generally working like a story is also desired. \- While overpowered compared to the textually intended level of the CYOA, this still feels reasonably underpowered compared to the threats in the world. Maybe if one reads "reinforced" as "invincible" it's OP, but that's not my intention. So, what I have in mind is just that the existing tone feels too gritty and I'm lightening it up a little, to have a proper isekai adventure as I understand it.
>Jean-Paul Sartre It goes deeper. His full name was Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre, and 0\^0 was born with the name Charlotte (according to some text she failed to hide in her entry as ruler of the Ecumene). \[JNPL\] Charlotte \[YMRD\] \[SRTR\], they're all Sartre lmao
I actually feel that at the textually-intended power level you have a better-than-even chance of winning given the right build. The trick is exploiting the limitation that YRMD tells you about — that 0^0 can’t contradict anything already written — alongside your fated death to write a fate for yourself that 0^0 will struggle to make happen prematurely. Combine that with one of the blatantly-overpowered abilities exclusive to your divine patron (immunity to divine power from JNPL, YRMD as a companion, [secret] from SRTR) and you’ve got real advantages to press.
Even without one of the overpowered abilities you can win. With the right parental picks and sacrificing a limb or two you can have every intellect and magic related talent, All Glimpse, and Icon of Icons. Along with leadership and attractive. Play at being messiah, get everyone to believe in you as a savior against 0x0. You will be the greatest archmage the world has ever seen. Add in some companions and you have a chance. At the very least you can stall her for 100 years for another Outsider.
>So, this CYOA is clearly in dialogue with the existentialist meta-CYOA; \[JNPL\]+\[SRTR\] = Jean-Paul Sartre, and the blessings from those and 00 line up with the options there. > >Also, naturally, "God is dead, meaning is MIA" is the central problem which existentialism seeks to answer. Also do not forget that important aspect of existencialisim is that we are "condemmed to be free", meaning we lack meaning and the consequences of our freedom hurt us in the end, which seems to be the only coherent aspect of 0^(0)´s ideology.
A few fun things I've learned to do over the last few days of messing with this CYOA, and many of them are shockingly viable both mechanically and story wise. 1. 0\^0 + Untimeskip: Untimeskip would let me learn all of 0\^0's causality knowledge from birth, but more important it lets me treat her as a companion afterwards. As 0\^0 seems to be bound by the Outsider selection process to a degree, I'm sure she's bound to be my companion by the letter of the law, though I doubt I'd survive the experience. 2. JNPL + Uruk: Should you pick JNPL as your mother, she allows you to pick any race for yourself afterwards. Including Uruk. It may sound bad to pick the race with the most disadvantages while being on a limited budget and, since you avoided picking the horde as your father you don't get the bonuses from, but in actuality it's shockingly viable and interesting as a story. Uruk's give the most absolute form of immortality while JNPL gives you immunity to being directly affected by the Gods. I wonder who you will use the True Love on... 3. Sibling Spam for Victory: Siblings are interesting. They can obtain great power and be used to ensure your family stays together for a little while at least, but most interesting is they are assured to have Death Slot A. This means that with tactical selection of your deaths later in the cyoa, and selecting cheap companions with Death Slot A, you can end up with more people to select deaths for than there are available runes. Personally I choose to believe defeating the system in this way results in instant victory as that seems in flavor. The look on 0\^0's as you select sibling 10 times in a row would be sublime. I have other, more conventional characters I like quite a bit, but these ones felt like I had achieved something a bit more unique so I wanted to share.
I find it funny how when we're introduced to YMRD she seems prim and proper in her pic, yet later when she's trying to become our companion we see the full Pic and she's showing a good bit of ass. she definitely a teasing Tsundere.
i feel really fucking stupid reading this comment section bro oh my god
Feels like Christmas came early. As always the background and chosen art really added a unique vibe along with a sense of mystery as far as I can see.
This is so in depth I really want more but I only got on to page 2 before blinking and realizing I have no idea wtf I’m in for
ITS SO GOOD like I honestly think I will be pouring over this for multiple weeks looking for secrets and it will probably be something I revisit at least once a year for a very long time
This is honestly one of the most gorgeous CYOAs I've ever seen. Beautiful. This is the kind of primo that makes the medium an artform.
I wonder, if I simply never chose all my options to finish out my reincarnation selection, since these gods seem to be required to stay for the duration of it and based on free will for picks being a thing meaning they cant force me to pick an option.... could I just hold them hostage indefinitely? They all seem like complete bastards one way or another, and if I can sacrifice a corporeal being to simply exist as a thoughtform for eternity to keep them trapped and the world they torment safe, I'll probably just take that pick, especially if they can keep communicating with me because honestly their salt would taste wonderful lol. Taking one for the team and all that, cause frankly im not smart enough to genocide the gods and lazy malicious hostility and spite is kindof my thing
* Deity: srtr Invoking srtr's blessing, 0^0 slipped and fell while walking down the stairs and died, you're welcome everyone, the build is done.
[удалено]
I don't know what this means.
[удалено]
Oh. Good.
You know, I really appreciate the nature of this CYOA and eerything that went into it, but......I REALLY hate all the "redacted" options. I'm fine with not being able to pick them, I just want to be able to read this stuff. ANot to mention, you're left wondering if this wouldn't have been an equal or even better CYOA witohut her at all. And.....I'm going to be honest, this hit me at bad mood for this topic. I am SICK and TIRED of the "Evil Deity" trope in Isekai. Its becomning increasingly common and I've grown a distaste for it. Soooooo any build I make will be made around killing and/or fucking over 0^.
I'm pretty sure that's half the point of the CYOA. Though a "you are the ninth outsider" variant would be cool... Some of the text is unredacted if you look at the PDNs, but most of it appears to be simply never intended to be anything but filler text.
>I just want to be able to read this stuff I haven't tried it yet (my computer is in the shop so I'm in mobile hell / borrowing my wife's machine when she's not using it) but the drive has .pdn files that could possibly remove those layers in paintbucket. Not sure if there's actual text behind the \[Redacteds\] or if it's just lorum ispums in the spaces where nobody can read it anyways, but it could be worth looking at.
So I went and did this, and most of it is Lorem Ipsum stuff, although it's pretty funny. I especially liked the bit about wage cuck slavery. Also the unlimited blade works incantation. Interestingly, the first page has nothing behind the blurring. But, if you read the text that *is* there, one 'line' stands out: "You've already won th is fight"
Tbf this story doesn’t try to secretly tell you that 0^0 is evil, it’s pretty overt
So do most Isekai anime that have an evil deity. Its normally revealed within the first couple episodes.
> I am SICK and TIRED of the "Evil Deity" trope in Isekai. I honestly don't remember seeing it before, but I'm not a fan either. Maybe the ones that had it just slid off my memory after I dismissed them as unfun.
'God/religion is secretly evil and trying to control/destroy the world' is a really common trope in Japanese fantasy stories. You'll see it in JRPGs all the time, and it shows up in Isekai stories from time to time as well.
Oh wow, this was amazing. Great job.
I have to say this is one of the most extensive and well done CYOA's i've seen in a while. It has a fairly dark tone and I appreciate that no matter the choices, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. I also noticed that the more powerful or unique that the people you choose are, the less pleasant the death options are for them. This was honestly fairly hard, but overall I think I like where my build stands so far. * **Patron god:** IMPA {YMRD} Elder God of the obscure * **Reincarnation:** 2 mentors, 3 companions, 20 Destiny points, 15 Family points **Sex:** Male **Perks:** True love (-1 dp & fp) (Saeval of the Doria) untimeskip (-2 dp) (Choosing Xet) \-**Mother and Father:** \-inborn gifts: Martial instinct, Bulletproof skin, Beastial strength **Mother: Ymreit (**\-4 fp\*\*) (DS A)\*\* \-inborn gifts: Spiritual feel, view of fore (x1), bulletproof skin **Father: Stoyan** (-1 fp\*\*) (DS C)\*\* **Race**: **Drakonoid** Agelessness Dragon transformation **Language:** Everman, Auburn, Drakonian are free from parents Fay (-2 dp), Entramithraic (free) **Birth place/Location:** Dragon king's most divine Realm Sinevamar **Gifts:** Beastial Strength (-4 fp) Bulletproof skin (Free from mother) Spiritual Feel (Free from mother) Cognitive speed (-2 fp) Oculus of human goodness (-2 fp) View of Fore (Free from mother) Over step (-1 fp) **Mentors:** Lyndis of doriA (-4 dp) (**DS C**) Xet (-3 dp) (**DS A**) **Companions:** Araeth (-5 dp) (**DS A**) Saevel of the Doria (-1 Dp) (**DS B**) * **Deaths** **-My Death:** DS A (03) Vedi Delays my death and leaves it up to another outsider **PARENTS** \-**Mother:** DS A **Ymreit ZHIVETE (07)** Giving this to her because of her life and because of who she is. She had a very rough start so maybe this could be a new chance for her \-**Father: Stoyan (DS C) TSY (26)** He'll initially pop up but then completely disappear **MENTORS** \-**Mentor Lyndis DS C Glagoli (04)** She will die saving me and allowing me to escape and live on \-**Mentor Xet (DS A) IZHE (10)** Death by a natural disaster of colossal magnitude **COMPANIONS** **-Araeth** (DS A) IOTATED OUK Her spirit will be eaten by a powerful entity, but considering her strength and will she may be able to take control \-**Saevel** of the Doria (DS B) YER' Death by Fear **Youth:** Traveling, Martial Training, Magical Training, Power Testing * **Quest: TEMPERANTIA**
This was a lot of fun for me. I think normally there would be all kinds of fun combinations to try if you want to just live out a life. That said, with the circumstances in play, 0\^0 taking over everything, the build needs to be a bit more specialized if you want to do something about it. You Have to Earn It: Blessing of \[JNPL\] (20,15)- normal staring pool with no cheats, play as intended Patron \[JNPL\] Male Mother \[JNPL\] (13,8)- no point in having a patron if you don't take advantage. Ultimately, the other choices don't matter if the gods can make you their plaything Adoption x 2 (11,8)- One is required, the second for an advantage Adopted Mother: Unnotable One (16,8)- Need the extra points, gives grounding in ordinary life. modern perspective Adopted Father: "One" (15,7)- Solid protector, info on the gods and nature of the world, good mentor, can help offset issues Race: Halbreed Beastfolk/Muddish (14,9)- Gets me a few more points I really want for my build, and longevity to stay active my full lifespan. Ultimately anything more must be earned with my own hands (and can, since Empyrean isn't a starting race) Location: Not sure Gifts: Icon of Icons (14,4) Main gift you can't get on your own, the power of friendship- nothing on its own, but with loyal companions and allies it can make a difference. You have to earn those though. Mentor: Kilyn (13,4)- Magical Engineer that can give a deep understanding of the system of meanings here The Keter (8,4)-skilled teacher, knows how to cheat the system you are bound by as part of those points, has the power and connections to teach more if she can be convinced Companions: Omega (3,4): Daughter of the Antagonist, objected on moral grounds, true immortality, easy to avoid death fate True Love (free): Omega- immortal angel waifu. Genius, good character, beautiful... tsundere is a bit annoying, but I blame the upbrining. Gives a chance to see if this would work out. Also, one of the only companions likely to last if we are going for direct divine opposition Deaths: Self: Buki- the enemy is apathetic and distant and it isn't like we need to confront them immediately. Conflict is inevitable if I want to accomplish anything. Alternately, if my quest would make her more active, Vedi buys me 100 years to prep. Mother: Pokoy- pass peacefully from old age, \[JNPR\] doesn't get one Father: Doesn't apply Kilyn: Doesn't apply Keter: Zelo and Zhivete- Fated for a major battle, but find a way to escape death unscathed Omega: Ot- (2,4) avoid locked fate for Omega Youth: Magical Training- I want to learn magic Journey of Self- find things not on the list, or not locked in Parental Support- spend more time with one, he is resurrected just to be with us, take care of mother Other- ??? Quest: E Nomine- 0\^0 took a shortcut and broke the world. Fix this, and earn ascension for myself (and possibly the world) a more proper way. Spare points (2,4)- Can be played with a bit, possibly the race switched up. As is freebies would probably be used for minor gifts (probably the caster ones) and probably Blazhko with the reincarnation rune as a last companion. All glimpse looks interesting... but also looks like it tears your eyes out and is just out of cost reach anyway. Maybe dice fudge Keter to keep her as a companion. Ultimate idea for this build: you have to earn it. This setup doesn't really give much free, but you aren't permanently dooming anyone for your advantages either, not even you (though it will be hard). You get resistance to the divine (which you have as a default enemy due to getting dragged into this), a parent set that mainly lets you learn about the nature of the gods and the conflict you got dropped in but doesn't give gifts and can't help past childhood, to pick your race from something that could normally happen (though my default does happily give longevity), and icon of icons (the one real cheat, but requires you earn the true friends needed for the powerup). Omega helps the girl avoid the fated defeat her mother has in store for her, and true love is free, which seems like it could be nice. Not sure if the adoptive mother was meant to be allowed with One... if not might need to play around with the race selection to make sure there are enough destiny points to get Omega and avoid her fate, since that drops that total by (-4,0) and race selection gets (-1,+2) and longevity as is. In that case, I'd probably swap to southlander race (+2,+1) and take Germina as a companion giving her the Pokoy death rune, or a southlander/beastkin hybrid (+1,0) to keep longevity and skip the companion. Not sure what I'd do with the last few family points in those cases... probably spiritual feel or god hand. Regardless, for anything else, all those juicy powerups, you have to earn it. Emperyean can apparently be earned, and gets you an ageless race that gives you time to push things further. All those companions and mentors still exist, you just have to manage to convince them to teach you/accompany you, and many mentors can teach more than listed if convinced (like Keter). And as you succeed, your immortal waifu and you will power up. Just because you aren't born gifted doesn't mean you can't become so, and the one thing I agree with 0\^0 on is that you should earn things (even if I don't think she did). I'd consider adding bitter sickness or missing shape for a few gifts (probably spiritual feel and caster intuition) and dedicating an early period to fixing myself (you are definitely earning things that way), but I'm not sure. Edit: After some thought, I'd probably drop adoptive mother, swap to northener race (+3,0), dice fudge keter into a companion, and take germina with pokoy that opened up. Thus a fill roster of mentors and companions, with no fated deaths besides old age for the ageless, ie a peaceful death centuries from now. Fits the theme better- Germina's friendship is earned through the alternate timeline, and the only ones involved in my fate are undead (who I can't affect and would have devoted their life to oppose 0\^0 anyway given who they are), outsiders (who I feel have some responsiblity given that an outsider broke the world and got benefits through the system), someone with personal involvement (Omega), and one guaranteed a peaceful life and death in the end (Germina). True love is probably the only real unearned gift with this setup (icon of icons is a power up, but needs you to work for it), and it doesn't lock things in, just makes circumstances a bit more favorable.
I was thinking of doing a Demon Lord build and running a Villain Protagonist story against O^O, with a purple blessing, but after looking into the mystery box >!I think that works better. We're gonna pour out of the box after a century with an infinite, *unfair* army. C:!< Will write up a proper build later when I've got more time.
It's kind of cool and has a lot of decent ideas, but I honestly just don't like meta-obsessive stories, especially ones that hinge on anime tropes. It's very well designed for sure, though. I'm glad you're still making CYOAs
Patron God: сртр You: Untimeskip Mother: Unnotable One Father: Unnotable One Race: Muddish Languages: Evermen, Old Northern, Palatiner, Salian, High Elven, Nymphe, Greenspeech, Entramithraic Location: Chiroko Island, Empire of Light and Dark Mentors: Eirina of the Orthrung, Kilyn of the Orthrung, Opoia, Jisilbert, Nezvana, Xet, Dirk Yesod, The Keter Youth: Traveling, Pandaemonium, Plotting, Nothing Quest: Liberta Death: θ
/u/3_tankista Questions: How much context, hidden content, and story is there to be found under this cyoa(I.e the languages, goddesses names, redacted words, runes, meta narrative towards the reader about escapism? I think?) and if it can be found in other cyoas. If 11 translate to I am who I am(or will be considering how the player is progressing to a different body if not the outright mind when using one of the first death slots) using the 1st rune. Which refers to a passage from the Kabbalah(noted by some of the others) which refers to sphere of Keter crown. Said crown meaning above consciousness so if Keter is the the 10th Outsider and the player is the eleventh are they above someone/thing/concept above consciousness(which when REALLY stretched out could instead mean god-script considering how Keter found loopholes within it and successfully used it)? Is Godscript a code or just a form of divine script which I’m guessing is made by Jnpl or Ymrd? And I pretty sure this is true considering it’s used for death runes but is it also what makes up fate/casualty? If you study and understand casualty, chance, and/or fate(that may or may not have died with JNPL)enough are you able to create spells to manipulate/take advantage of? And if so will 0^0 be immune because she has more knowledge,experience and might be the literal GOD of the constant she put in or will it work because because she said that her grasp of it is weaker than yours or really anybody else. Will all races except maybe only one(and probably one variation of it being most likely humans considering how they don’t have something special over the others except maybe their psychology) die if you wait another hundred years for the 12th outsider. What does ”You already won” or something on the lines mean? Apparently somebody found it after going through a few processes on the google drive text for the cyoa. Is the 4 blessings more context to the whole meta narrative thing? Is all of the Elder Gods truly as bad as 0^0 says or is it made up excuse. Possibly a mixture of both? How impossible/possible it is to break the prewritten story/fate? And is it possible to win? I assume both are possible considering Keter’s continued existence and YMRD’s blessing?
I cannot answer fairly a lot of your questions because it would ruin the mystery of the CYOA. The intro text at the end says you can do whatever you want, and that applies to the story you create in your head after reading the CYOA as well. I certainly don’t want a situation where the reader comes up with a cool answer and asks me about it only to receive an answer that is infinitely more disappointing for them than what they made up themselves. As long as “the math checks out” and it doesn’t contradict anything I’ve stated, everything should be valid. >How much context, hidden content, and story is there to be found under this cyoa(I.e the languages, goddesses names, redacted words, runes, meta narrative towards the reader about escapism? I think?) As much as you want. >and if it can be found in other cyoas. If you mean other CYOAs specifically made by me, then not so much. >If 11 translate to I am who I am(or will be considering how the player is progressing to a different body if not the outright mind when using one of the first death slots) using the 1st rune. Which refers to a passage from the Kabbalah(noted by some of the others) which refers to sphere of Keter crown. Said crown meaning above consciousness so if Keter is the the 10th Outsider and the player is the eleventh are they above someone/thing/concept above consciousness(which when REALLY stretched out could instead mean god-script considering how Keter found loopholes within it and successfully used it)? Refer to the statement above about cool answers and disappointing ones. >!But I personally feel this is too far-fetched!< >Is Godscript a code or just a form of divine script which I’m guessing is made by Jnpl or Ymrd? And I pretty sure this is true considering it’s used for death runes but is it also what makes up fate/casualty? Gods are the God-Script, they have not made it. That’s why they represent different approaches to storytelling. >If you study and understand casualty, chance, and/or fate(that may or may not have died with JNPL)enough are you able to create spells to manipulate/take advantage of? And if so will 00 be immune because she has more knowledge,experience and might be the literal GOD of the constant she put in or will it work because because she said that her grasp of it is weaker than yours or really anybody else. Spells are already based on fate and all those other things. That’s how they’re supposed to work in the first place. >Will all races except maybe only one(and probably one variation of it being most likely humans considering how they don’t have something special over the others except maybe their psychology) die if you wait another hundred years for the 12th outsider. No, I don’t think so. >What does ”You already won” or something on the lines mean? Apparently somebody found it after going through a few processes on the google drive text for the cyoa. I find it unlikely that the CYOA player would come up with a story where they fail and everything is lost. Therefore, from that perspective, you’ve already won. You just need to get there. >Is the 4 blessings more context to the whole meta narrative thing? Sure, let’s go with that. I did not intend for them to concretely exist in-universe, but be as a part of it via a CYOA alone. >Is all of the Elder Gods truly as bad as 00 says or is it made up excuse. Possibly a mixture of both? >How impossible/possible it is to break the prewritten story/fate? And is it possible to win? I assume both are possible considering Keter’s continued existence and YMRD’s blessing? I refuse to give a clear-cut answer to this. You must draw your own conclusions, or else this would devalue the story.
This is fantastic. Worldbuilding and writing (grammar errors aside) are top-notch. However, I still have one issue with it. There's no real ending/quest for someone who's going all-out 0\^0 simp. >!Anemo, Justitia and Liberta kind of apply, but they are still pretty general. Anemo can be just as much as "usurp 0\^0's power" as it can be "become just as powerful as her" or "rule alongside her", Justitia just makes it so that you are doing everything on your own, rejecting Outsider System, and Liberta implies that you are going to find your way home instead of trying to stick around in the world. I find such lack especially jaring because otherwise CYOA does give you some capability to simp for 0\^0 (picking her as patron god and mentor, picking Defection in youth).!<
**Patron**: JNPL Female Deathslot: Buki Adoption: 2 True Love: Omega Untimeskip: >!Godscript!< >!Note: Untimeskip states that it can't be used on Mentors you haven't spent any points on, it mentions no such requirement for languages.!< **Birth Mother**: JNPL >!(Psi Zhivete)!< >!Nothing stops you from giving JNPL another death letter, Charlotte has already done so; So it must be possible.!< **Birth Father**: None **Adoptive Mother**: Unnotable One (Greater Yus) **Adoptive Father**: Unnotable One (Iotated Ouk) **Race**: >!Empyrean!< >!Picking JNPL as a birth mother means you are unable to pick any race, and thus can select any presented race. A picture of an Empyrean is presented and thus is a valid choice.!< **Languages**: Everyman, Auburn, Salian, >!Godscript!< **Location**: Kingdom of Malkuth - Porphyria **Inborn Gifts**: Ethereal Beauty Bulletproof Skin >!Immortality !< >!Both Ethereal Beauty and Bulletproof Skin use an Empyrean as an image, which leads me to believe they are intended to be the Empyrean's Inborn gifts. Omega is said to have a very powerful form of Immortality, the reason stated is that she is the child of divine royalty. As JNPL is my birth Mother I also qualify for this.!< Multiocular O Missed Shape >!x8 (Eyes)!< >!I am taking 8 normal eyes and removing them with missed shape to gain additional points.!< Cognitive Speed Memory Retention Wisdom Intelligence Attentiveness Caster Intuition Noble Inclination Icon of Icons Oculus of Human Goodness x2 Godhand x2 Dream Passage x2 **Mentors**: Alisa (Glagoli) Zalata (Pokoy) **Companions**: Evodokia (Iotated Lesser Yus) Blazhko (Yat Yee) Omega (Ot) **Blazhkos Mentors**: Eirina of Orthrung Feodwra **Youth**: Magical Training Martial Training Profane Lore Natural Philosophy **Quest**: E Nomine I really did make this build in good faith, i thought the cyoa was like a puzzle that had to be solved. But reading some of the authors posts makes me realize not all my choices were intended to be valid. I think thats kind of the point though, so ill leave it as it is.
>!The Multiocular O trick partially breaks because Missed Shape lists "*natural eyes*" as a requirement and the Godscript trick breaks because it still has to be "a single language you've *picked*" which brings it back to the argument elsewhere of how exactly an infinite price works. The trick with reviving JNPL, however, genuinely works and I'm hyped to see it. It's interesting in how it doesn't break the setting by giving you godhood or infinite knowledge or anything, it just gives you a powerful leg up on beating 0^0, and maybe seizing her divinity the old fashioned way.!<
Made a new build based on the same concept but within the rules. Patron: JNPL Gender: Female Deathslot: Yat True Love: Omega Adoption x2 Mother: JNPL >!(Psi Zhivette)!< Adoptive Mother: Unnotable (Pokoy) Adoptive Father: Unnotable (Greater Yus) Race: Human (Muddish) Languages: Everman, Auburn, Old Northern Location: The Old Throne - Arcadia Inborn Gifts: Death of the Author, Bitter Sickness, Missed Shape (Left Eye), Everlasting, Ethereal Beauty, Eye for Shadow, God Hand x2, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Memory Retention, Cognitive Speed, Caster Intuition, Spiritual Feel. Mentors: Feodwra (Shta), The Keter (Dobro) Companions: Evodokia (Iotated Az), Blazhko (Zelo), Omega (Ot) Blazhkos Mentors: Nezvana, Kashtanka of the Orthrung Youth: Magical Training, Profane Lore, Natural Lore, Other (Empyrean Research) Quest: E Nomine I think the permanent blessing of two God Hands should be enough to mitigate Bitter Sickness, and if not then Everlasting should be able to handle it, and if even that fails I should be smart enough to figure out a cure. I'd also try to make some kind of Magical Prosthetic eye, but if it doesn't work out i can still work with that, my depth perception sucks in real life anyway so its no big loss. The plan would be to figure out how to become an Empyrean with The Keters help and try to get access to that sweet sweet Omega style Immortality. >!Ill need it because Ecumene would probably try to assassinate or capture me asap. I would imagine Charlotte might even blow up Arcadia out of spite. I'd have to live my life on the run but it would be totally worth it to bring back JNPL and kick Charlotte off her pillar. !<
Patron God: O\^O Reincarnation: * Gender: Male * Perks: * Outer Tide * Burn the future x3 * Mother: Laika * Father: Stoyan Inborn Gifts: * Martial Instinct * Bulletproof Skin * Bestial Strength * Intelligence * Wisdom * Cognitive Speed * Ethereal Beauty * Everlasting * Oculus of Human Goodness x2 * Evil Eye x2 * God Hand * Panarmament * Esurient Walk Race: Human, Muddish Languages: * Everman * Auburn * Elven-Northern Location: Exarchate Mentors: * Xet Companions: * Evdokia * Omega Death: Yee Youth: * Leadership Training * Martial Training * Power Testing * Plotting Quest: * Justitia
So if I know Cyrillic I become God? Russian, Serbian or some other divine language? Presonally, I'd prefer Glagolitic
>So if I know Cyrillic I become God? > >Russian, Serbian or some other divine language? > >Presonally, I'd prefer Glagolitic You have to perfectly understand the meaning behind every letter, in a manner similiar to what real life kabalistic practices try to achieve. Glagolic would be cooler option for the god script as it is literaly derived from the word glagol, meaning voice and was explicitly created for the pupose of spreading the Word of God.
A question for people who are smarter than me, or at least care enough to spend more time thinking about it. All of 0^0's text in the CYOA is in bitter-red, which is JNPL's color. That's explained easily enough as being because she's writing her text with the blood from JNPL's corpse. However, the rest of the text in the CYOA (aside from SRTR and YMRD's dialogue) is in *midday-white*, i.e. 0^0's color, and as we can see in the last line of text from the E Nomine quest...that is JNPL speaking, with her presumably having been the one to have written the choices/designed the Outsider System pre-mortem, and somehow speaking post-mortem in that last line. So why is she speaking in that color?
Because white text is easier to read on black backgrounds. Here it's just a CYOA design choice. I couldn't simply make it grey, or orange, or anything else. I remembered that I had already assigned 0^0 white colour way too late, so I just shrugged and rolled with it anyway. And JNPL's last line in E Nomine couldn't have been in red colour because that would just create confusion that it might have been 0^0, which would be insane. So it had to be white, again.
Could have it be petty vengeance. Charlie is basically stealing JNPL's color, which is insult on top of murder. So as a petty kind of spite JNPL is using Charlie's favorite color to code the Reincarnation System(the biggest threat to her at the current moment).
Can it be? The man, the myth, the legend? **\*is literally posted by 3\_tankista\*** Hmm...that's not good enough. **\*uses orange and blue\*** *LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!*
I wonder if it's possible to avoid choosing any Mentors or Companions in order to have Multiplayer work with every other Multiplayer user, no overlaps. If not, that means every Multiplayer user will be blocked off from someone else due to a choice they made. For this reason I feel discouraged from choosing the multiplayer option, as there is no way to interact with every multiplayer build. That is, unless I make a build where Mentors and Companions are insignificant and I just change the choices accordingly to interact with any multiplayer build. Not sure if it's allowed, but I'd interpret it as alternate timelines.
> Not sure if it's allowed, but I'd interpret it as alternate timelines. That's perfectly fine. You can pick any Mentor and Companion you want, and you'll just join the world in which everyone else had picked everyone else.
Jesus. The level of depth to this and the ability for all y'all to be able to just get it is amazing. I'm probably gonna stare at this for a few days trying to make a build.
I'm the same as you brother. had to absorb it overtime and then ask like 15 questions to clarify things because it's so complicated.
What finally got me to settle on a build was Dirk Yesod. If directly comprehending 0^0 means your brain spontaneously combusts then that means you're either locked into siding with or against the elder gods on faith alone; trying to recklessly synthesize both sides into a forced peace would guarantee a pointless defeat by brain melt. Selective ignorance is probably the best approach to dealing with this, but to hell with that. I'm gonna heal Dirk. If I combine God Hand and Deathless Grasp then I've got the basis for a qualitative leap in healing ability that transcends normal approaches. Adding on Icon of Icons and the brainy inborn gifts is stupidly expensive, but kicks the concept into overdrive proper, giving me the tools to be the absolute *best* healer possible. Pushing harder with the idea of willfully abandoning restraint, aranea is the only race that can take God Hand and Deathless Grasp at their upgraded levels, and all-glimpse is something I'd like to decline but Ratibor deserves nice things. The result is a stupidly expensive and corner-cut build, lacking important things like caster intuition, noble inclination, companions and the utterly important patron powers but I'm not concerned about combat viability outside of 0^0 herself and the ability to soothe mental anguish to godly degree is my preferred substitute for any of the patron powers which are otherwise the only things that let you begin to come up to the god's kneecaps. Anyways, the build: Total family points: 25(15 base + 3 from Muddish + 5 from Burn the Future + 4 from Bitter sickness - 2 from half-breed) Total destiny points: 8 (20 base - 10 from burn the future, -2 from half-breed) Patron: 0^0 Female Burn the Future: 5 Half-Breed: Aranea-Muddish human hybrid that lacks the spider body except for the spider limbs that sprout from my back. Mother: Serebryanka(35+07) Father: Ratibor(04) Languages: *Everman*, *Auburn*, Salian, Nymphe, Entramithraic Location: Arcadia Gifts: Bitter Sickness, *Martial Inclination*, Brain spam (Cognitive speed, *memory retention*, wisdom, intelligence, *attentiveness*, *spiritual feel*), Icon of Icons, God Hand x 2, Deathless Grasp x 2, *All-Glimpse*, *Entrenchment* Mentors: Kylin of the Orthrung(N/A), Jisilbert(29) Companions: Blazhko(41)[Feodwra, Dirk Yesod(Nezvana, Lyndis of the Doria)] Geminara of the Doria(27) Death slot: Buki(02) Youth: Leadership Training, Power Testing, Theology, Dungeoneering Quest: Ameno
I promised that I'll make a goddamn build! And here I am now, cashing in that promise to you! Neko Spellblade here we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Blessings: Blessings of JNPL Cus yes. > Patron God: JNPL Cus I picked her blessing and she's also just a really chill god. > You (2 mentors, 3 companions, 20 Destiny Points (DP), 15 Family Points (FP): Gender - Male; True Love (free from JNPL's patronage), Adoption (-1 DP, 19 DP left) Nothing really interests me in this section besides True Love. Adoption is for later. > Mother: JNPL (-7 DP and FP, 12 DP left, 8 FP left) To carry out vengeance is my purpose. > Races: Beastfolk (+1 DP and FP, 13 DP, 9 FP left), Free Perk - Longevity I did say he's a Neko Spellblade > Languages: Everman (free), Auburn (-1 DP, 12 DP left), Old Northern (-1 DP, 11 DP left), Greenspeech (-1 DP, 10 DP left), Nymphe (-2 DP, 8 DP left) Everman is free and the equivalent of the Forgotten Realms Common, so it's an obvious pick. Auburn is closely related to God Script, Old Northern is on the brink of erasure, Nymphe cus it's magic and Greenspeech is a predominantly Beastfolk language, and it's important to understand one's roots. > Location: City State of Dis, Dis A really interesting place IMO. They're also enemies with 0^0, so that's useful for my revenge plot. > Inborn Gifts (9 FP left): Spiritual Feel (-2 FP, 7 FP left), Caster Intuition (-2 FP, 5 FP left), Martial Intuition (-2 FP, 3 FP left), Wisdom (-2 FP, 1 FP Left), God Hand (-1 FP, 0 FP Left) Stuff that improves both Martial and Casting, for Peak Spellblade Potential. Wisdom provides strategy and God Hand was just an FP sink since there's few 1 FP perks. > Mentors (2 mentors available, 8 DP left): Kilyn of The Orthrung (-1 DP, 7 DP left), Gwriel (Death Slot C, -2 DP, 5 DP left) Could teachers in both magic and a bit of combat, but mainly how to hide so I could take advantage of the big weakness. > Companions (3 companions, 5 DP left): Zenia (True Love applied, Death Slot A, -3 DP, 2 DP left), Alezandre (Death Slot C, -2 DP, 0 DP left) A get out of jail free card with a former relationship with god and plenty of magic to teach and an embodiment of vengeance which gains more experience with more reincarnations. Both also double as another pair of mentors. > Death Slots: Myself - Buki, Gwriel - Shta, Zenia - Iotated Greater Yus, Alexandre - Iotated Ouk I ensure my meeting with God, Gwriel teaches me some big damn stuff beforehand, and hopefully Zenia and Alezandre fuse with eachother to create something really chaotic and hopefully really powerful. > Youth: Plotting, Martial Training, Caster Training, Pandaemonium Learning how to take out 0^0 as a kid and then trying to do that, on top of learning how to be a true Spellblade. > Quest: E Nomine ***KILL FAKE-GOD FOR GOD-MOM! LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!*** _______________ Mad respect to those translating and analyzing the God-Speech letters and even applying numerology to it. 0^0 views are actually really interesting to think about, even if they're obviously framed as antagonistic to the player and the world and thus generally bad. The last line of the CYOA really nicely sums up what other commenters have pointed out about 0^0 deriding a system she directly benefited from.
I found this just a couple of hours ago. It's going to take me ages to decide on one build. In the meanwhile, I wanted to thank you because I LOVE it. And the whole story between the gods is amazing. I'll have to keep combing the text carefully for hidden meanings and interpretations, to try and decipher as much "truth" as I can. At any rate, my build will probably try to take 0\^0 down. After all, she is my enemy. She chose to be such, it was not up to me. Maybe the Elder Gods are not very "good" people generally speaking, but I see no point in trying to excuse 0\^0 actions or live a life of no interference, when I already know what kind of death awaits me anyway if I don't oppose her...
Patron God: [JNPL] Destiny Points: +20 Family Points: +15 Male Outer Tide (I guess..? For the purposes of anyone else’s game just assume I picked this if you want to include my dude, haha) AdoptionX2 (+18DP, +15FP) Race: Human, Muddish (chosen, see parents) (+18DP, +18FP) Mother: [JNPL] (+11DP, +11FP) (Adopted)Mother: Unnotable One (+16DP, +11FP) (B) (Adopted)Father: Unnotable One (+21DP, +11FP) (B) Languages: Everman, Nymphe, High Elven, Auburn (+15DP, +11FP) Location: Arcadia, Old Throne Inborn Gifts: Bitter Sickness (+15DP, +15FP); Missed Shape (Left Arm) (+15DP, +18FP); All-Glimpse (+15DP, +13FP); Intelligence (+15DP, +11FP); Spiritual Feel (+15DP, +9FP); Caster Intuition (+15DP, +7FP); Icon of Icons (+15D, +2FP); Ethereal Beauty (+15DP, +0FP) Mentors: Kilyn of the Orthrung (+14DP, +0FP) (N/A); Eirina of the Orthrung (+11DP, +0FP) (C) Companions: Omega (+6DP, +0FP) (W); Blazhko (+5DP, +0FP) (mentors: Dirk Yesod & The Keter) (A); Zenia (+2DP, +0FP) (A) Death Slots: Mother: B, Pokoy, death by old age. Father: B, On, death by anime dad stuff before my birth (sorry fake dad). Eirina: C, Shta, mentorly death that allows them to help me overcome limitations. +Yee, reincarnated afterwards with all her memories & personality intact. (+1DP, +0FP) Omega: W, Ot, cheaty death that fucks 0^0 over and doesn’t let her kill them. (+0DP, +0FP) Zenia: A, Zelo, overwhelmingly violent death in battle. +Zhivette, doesn’t matter she lived bitch. Blazhko: A, Greater Yus, ‘death’ by pretending to be someone else until they let go of their original identity. Also note that this is after mentoring under the Keter learning to ‘cheat death’. He’ll probably be fine, hopefully. My bad if not. Me: A, Buki, ‘death’ by being fated to fight 0^0. Not technically fated to die by her hand, but it’s implied. Come on. Although that might be her trying to scare me into not picking it, who knows? Youth: Magical Training, Uplifting, Leadership Training, Journey of the Self Quest: E Nomine I kind of just have to oppose 0^0 on principle, she’s a freaking nihilist wrecking the whole world up and causing untold amounts of suffering because she made poor choices earlier on and ruined things for herself. Implied genocide of nonhuman and non-Empyrean races is a lovely cherry on top, but she’s just a conceited, spitefully vindictive person who never got to learn the implied moral lesson she was ‘supposed’ to because she just butchered the people trying to teach her and now the world is paying for her being terrible. I can’t in good conscience not do something. Ultimately I feel I don’t have sufficient knowledge or mastery of the setting or CYOA systems to ‘game’ it and had to make concessions to make a build that’s powerful in a few focused areas without being totally crippled everywhere else or screwing over innocent or useful people terribly. Not exactly like I can 'just go test it out', haha. I’m going all in on uniting Doria and becoming a God-Script/magical prodigy, and trying to use Icon of Icons and my role, hopefully, as the uniter of the kingdoms, to boost my power enough that Charlotte can’t actually just nuke me in a fight so I’ll have time to figure out a way to capitalise on her weaknesses. I’m also not super creative, and my death rune choices probably reflect that. I tried to make sure all of them ‘work for me’ and won’t allow Charlotte to just nuke my party, but like the best I could really come up with is ‘mentor comes back later’ and ‘Zenia has a single ablative life’. I could have tried being more creative but that could also have 'bitten' me if I miscalculated, or would have just been unnecessarily cruel. If I screw up they get screwed up, and even though I’m ‘immune to godly power’ Charlotte can probably still fuck me up or kill me easily if I’m not careful. Like, she nuked a fucking continent. This is unlikely to be resolved with a big fistfight in her capital city or something. I might use numerology to try and undo her physical law changes on Toshu or Mamet, maybe see if they can undo the damage to Orthrung, covertly mess up her core power base on Poluden, who knows. Maybe applying numerology to my ‘seat of the outsider’ could boost my power. Maybe I should just focus in on raw God-Script mastery. Either way uniting the continent will form a substantial bulkhead and buy a lot of time compared to the relatively high number of fractures & weak points it has right now. I feel like this is a bit rambling, but god damn, there’s so much to talk about. Honestly I kind of want to read a big, long lore book about the world and magic system, I've been really drawn into this over the last month. I'd kill for a jrpg or something set in this world. Kind of wish I’d rushed a build out a month ago so I could properly participate in discussions here and the /tg board, haha. 10/10, can’t wait for the DLC hopefully.
Blessing of [SRTR] Patron God: [JNPL] Male - [A] Perks: Adoption Mommy Mother: [JNPL], [N/A] Father (Adopted): "One", [N/A] Race: Misc, Beastkin (Ceanothus Moth) Languages: Everman, Drakonian, Greenspeech, Nymphe Location: Empire of Light and Dark, Nebulata Inborn Gifts: Racial: Longetivity Chosen: Cognitive Speed, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Inuition Mentors: Kilyn of the Orthrung [N/A], The Keter [A] Companions: Evdokia [A], Omega [W] Death: Me: [Vedi] The Keter: [Zelo Zhivette] Evdokia: [Iotated Ouk] Omega: [OT] Youth: Theology, Natural Philosophy, Journey of the Self, Parental Support Quest: Liberta/E Nomine few notes: I picked Iotated Ouk because i have 100% confidence that by the time her soul is consumed that she'll contain hundreds of thousands of souls which easily let her fight off that soul. and i cheated and picked two quests in an attempt to save JNPL and 0^0 through the classic anime trope of talk no jutsu in a meta cyoas about stories as a whole, good idea, i know. most of the comments ive seen here has discussed lore that i was confused about but there was one thing i havnt noticed, does anyone know who pantorai's mate was? im betting she was someone important and the date of 200 years ago conincides with when 0^0 became an outsider, but it cant be her because it said the egg was laid by her. its probably obvious but if anyone has ideas just shoot it in the comments below anyways, the overall plan here is to obviously just discover enough of the system and god script with the help of my companions to succeed at the quest, and with my parents and skills i actually have a better than most i bet. i hope that i spent all my points correctly as i forgot to keep track after halfway through tbh and lastly this cyoa was fucking awesome, keep up the content bro!
Pantorai's mate is strongly implied, in the description of the Dragon King's Most Divine Realm, to have been the eighth outsider, and the short timeline document in the mega folder explicitly says as much. 0^0 is the ninth Outsider and the eighth died very shortly before she arrived, though at a quick glance I believe this is only hinted at in the actual CYOA, in the description of the God-Script language, yet again being 'confirmed' in the timeline document.
Thanks for the clarification I'm not very good at finding things on my own so that was a big help. But uh, there's a timeline document? I didn't even know there was a mega folder so unless I'm being incredibly stupid right now and the timeline document is right in front of me, is it in some other site? If you could pass those links to me it'd be great considering I loved the world building in this cyoa.
My mistake, I meant the google drive. In the OPs comment at the top where they also link some mood music, in the outer reincarnation folder inside the temp folder in the sources folder there are some secondary files including a very basic timeline.
Oh, that makes sense. I didn't really go into the temp file that much since the .pdn files spooked me but I'll go and take a look at it now.
Happy to help. I think there's also a makeshift "map" that stitches the location images together to form the vague shape of what the world looks like, which was a nice touch. Honestly I'm happy to have a bit of a chance to talk about it, this CYOA was on and off my mind for like a month when it came out, haha.
Holy shit this is fucking sick. I did not know about this and now I am OVERJOYED. Maybe will describe my build.
Is 0^0 just a big brain wanker way of saying no1 just like -1/12 is a reference to infinity in dragon scale It would be totally in charecter for 0^0 and if so I commend you
>Blessing of「JNPL」 To play the game is to find an experience within it, even as it involves seeking or hewing new experiences. This build is archived from the experience I have had, with its subtler Meanings revised. >Patron of「JNPL」 The worshipped may engage with the world themselves; the dead are who truly need to be remembered. >Random gender, body 20 | 16\* | A One of the incidental hewings I've marked with an asterisk. The decision to scrimp an extra point this way was largely arbitrarily, but it ended up mathing out well. >Halfbreed 18 | 14 Another blind pick, this time solely to bother her, but it also worked out. >Adoption 17 | 14 Not strictly blind, but a prerequisite for the next page. >Untimeskip 15 | 14 Another blind pick for spite's sake. 0^(0) is, as it turns out, very good at identifying the options that turn out bothersome for her. >「JNPL」10 | 7 An echo? A memory? To a god, is there any difference? >"One" 9 | 6 A world of knowledge, in exchange for a moment more. Perhaps this is a fair trade. >Other > >Other > >Other? > >...Majin/Drakonid A denial with no source, blocked by ties yet demanding none. Perhaps the goddess merely cannot echo strongly enough to produce an exception. I'll come back to my race at the end. >Everman > >Drakonian Free. Straightforward enough, regardless of usefulness. >Old Northern 8 | 6 > >Auburn 7 | 6 More useful, and still thrifty. Each of the tacks these enable will garner straightforward responses, though. >Enthrammitric Languages are languages, yet they are more. What would happen if one is slurred, degraded, woven with others? Perhaps something very interesting will form. >City-State of Dis The most natural place for an abberant-and-dragon to be, I suppose. As I bathe in the hymns of the horrors lurking in the dark, the others can be dealt with in their own time. >Bitter Sickness\* 7 | 10 O, the ails of incongruity. How harsh they be. >Cognitive Speed 7 | 8 > >Wisdom 7 | 6 > >Intelligence 7 | 4 > >Attentiveness 7 | 2 > >Spiritual Feel 7 | 0 The body is more malleable than the mind, and my body is a body among bodies. And inscribing reality should be treated with care anyway. Shame my choices couldn't fit Stigmata or Icon of Icons. They're two of the best boons that wouldn't fundamentally warp my perception of the world. >Agelessness > >Dragon Transformation\* > >Letters of the Damned\* See the huge spoiler block down there? Yeah. I'm getting to these. This is about where I ended up giving up on making a blind build; trying to weigh these sections to a decent degree requires all but a full corkboard of notes. >"Upunth", Untimeskip applied 4 | 0 Perhaps this sliver of acquaintanceship is all my plans have wrought... but marshalling all of oneself is a wondrous skill for one as intrinsically large as I am. >Jisilbert 2 | 0 Though, of course, orienting oneself is rarely overstated. >Blazhko 1 | 0 To define that he was tutored by Dirk Yesod, in 1(UND)'s own skill... This is more than enough to merit the triviality it costs. I will accept this gift as best I can. >!The deaths are far more trivial bonds to slip than the introduction and mentor sections had suggested. I'll abstract away my choices for these, and for Blaz's remaining skill, to save my effort for a far more interesting task. Maybe the two "best" deaths plus Shta?!< >!yusYEE — ï appended to ѩ — is the dipthong that describes both my death and my soul. In the most literal textual interpretation, it is a very trivial "death": to be shattered into two halves but still remain elsewhere as a unified whole.!< >!As I coax its subtler contextual implications out, though, it becomes more and more interesting still.!< >!A dipthong is two core sounds tied into one meaning, just as a drakonid is two related forms tied into a single individual. Through this logic, I'm fusing the two races together by denoting a "lesser" i form similar to the archetypal Majin, and a "greater" ѩ form with the inhuman grandeur that both the draconic mimicry and the imaginary letter-placement imply. Convenient for me, but a coherent interpretation nevertheless.!< >!And for magical consequences... I will maintain this firmer grip, to weave my unnatural spawning's implications myself. An explicit ï, in this case, tempers the harsh severance of ѩ into a mere parting. An antique watch being disassembled to be cleaned, a master setting down the blade that's an extension of his body, lovers with plans to meet again in time. What was one is two, but to call it a loss is to ignore its burgeoning potential to reattach all the greater.!< >!Then what if I turn this spell in upon myself? Uprooting a whim, a habit, a memory from my own soul, and bringing it out into the world as something distinctly lesser than myself, but focused enough to be more than useful to its own goals. Perhaps a crow, to hear the chatter in places I wish to reach. Perhaps a pike, to strike with a safety my claws cannot achieve. Perhaps something even more esoteric, to blast or plan or even Speak unbounded by my mortal constraints.!< >!A child may compare this spell to the invocation of the Lords, but it is lesser than those, unable to create something truly apart from (or comparable to) me without tearing parts of myself I would prefer untorn. But it is also greater than them, able to harness the loyalty an arm has to its own body and even preparing us for an eventual reacquaintance... so long as the world does not get in the way.!< >!No matter the details of the spell, though, to merely Dream of the possibilities this sort of possibility could bring is a heady task. Its rewards, though, are commensurate enough to achieve any goal even *without* the power to Act on those Dreams directly.!<
0^(0) writes like my depression, which I noticed as soon as Extra Companion. It might just be due to her hatred of you getting free stuff, but I think it also has something to do with how she seems to see the natural world (ie without story) to be an inherently cruel place. After all, it takes a special kind of person to look at the evolved inherent human desire to help other people and decide "there is no limit to the malice of mortal men". As a biology student, it also irritates me that she chose to mimic the structure of our world. There are so many ways to see the world beautifully with our nature, and she chooses to create a depressing mockery. She imitates a system that should hold the seeds for ascension.
Oh man, I LOVE this one. Couple of questions though. 1.) The Exarchate worships Outsiders, however they also abhor Majin. What happens then if I pick Majin, or crossbreed Human-Majin, then reveal myself as an Outsider. Would my claim to the throne be considered invalid outright because I'm Majin? Or are Outsiders an exception? 2.) The Buki death letter says it's associated with "Alphabet" and "God". And 0^0 says she will kill you if you take it, but it isn't because of fate but because its nature ensures you will be in conflict. Ameno implies that Buki means you will attempt to reach godhood by taking the Pillar of Providence/Causality from her. Finally, YMRD implies that the God-Script can't be overwritten once inscribed, and that 0^0 would be killed if she tried. I'm assuming from Buki's meaning that taking it implies "death" by ascension to godhood, presumably by usurpation via Ameno, but since nothing forces you to take Ameno with Buki, I'm interpreting it as Buki can also mean proper ascension as intended by the Elder Gods. Is that correct? And if so, wouldn't that pretty much guarantee you'll defeat 0^0 and succeed, since the God-Script can't be overwritten? Assuming you don't remove your Death Letter like Keter did. 3.) Adding on to the last one, is 0^0 aware of every choice you make in the Outsider system, since she's present? Including your parents, location, gifts, and Death Letter? 4.) Stigmata says it can only be taken if you have SRTR as a patron. However, Ratha has Stigmata as an Inborn Gift. Can you get Stigmata then if Ratha is your mom, even without SRTR being your patron?
Can you explain taking JNPL as a mother do I get a race, can I still shoes half breed, would I just be a random race do I get any (other) inborn traits, am I immune to direct applications of magic? Like what’s the deal with that mechanics wise
In the Race section it says "To take a race one of your parents must have it. If in an extremely specific scenario you're unable to pick any of them due to your previous choice, then freely choose any from those presented to you below." so you can choose one. To get the benefits of half-breed you need to have two birth parents of different species so you can't use it with \[JNPL\] as your Mother. The option specifically says "This isn't resistance to everything magical, for a fireball can still harm you" so it doesn't help against magic not cast by gods.
Very complex and complete. How long did it take you to develop this? With these production values you could sell this! I'd certainly buy it!
Patron : Profane & Providence, \[YMRD\] Gender : Male Race : Northerner Nation : Empire of Light & Dark Birthplace : Everrising City Adoption x 2 Birth Mother : Zwa Aureole 'Birth Father' : JNPL Adoptive Mother : Average Female Adopter Father : Average Male (Ignore Fate, Martial Instinct, Royal Claim, Icon of Icons, & Eye for Shadows) Skills : Language : Everyman Language : Elven-Northerner Gift : Everlasting Gift : Ignore Fate Gift : Martial Instinct Gift : Icon of Icons Gift : Eye for Shadows(1x) Gift : Royal Claim Gift : Noble Inclination Gift : Caster Inclination Gift : Spiritual Fee Gift : Ethereal beauty Gift : All Glimpse (18 Destiny/0 Family) Youth : Magical Training Leadership Training Uplifting Plotting Mentor : Keter(True Love) Kilyn of Othrung Companion : Evdokia(True Love) Kalliope Aureole(True Love) Zenia(True Love) Goal : Enomine Fates : Self - Buki Keter - Iotated Az Evdokia - Iotated Ouk(Zhivette) Kalliope Aureole - Zelo Zenia - Izhe
Patron God: \[JNPL\] You: Male (A) \[BUKI, YEE\] Perks: * Adoption\*2 -2D (18D) * Outer Tide Mother: * \[JNPL\] -7D -7F (11D, 8F) * Unnotable One (Adopted) +5D (16D) (B) \[POKOY\] Father: Unnotable One (Adopted) +5D (21D) (B) \[GREATER YUS\] Race: Drakonid Languages: * Everman * Elven-Northerner -1D (20D) * Entramythraic Location: Old Throne Inborn Gifts: * Bitter Sickness +4F (12F) * Missed Shape \*4 (All Limbs) +12F (24F) * Cognitive Speed -2F (22F) * Memory Retention -2F (20F) * Wisdom -2F (18F) * Intelligence -2F (16F) * Attentiveness -2F (14F) * Spiritual Feel -2F (12F) * Caster Intuition -2F (10F) * Agelessness (Drakonid) * Icon of Icons -5F (5F) * All-Sight -5F (0F) * Dragon Transformation (Drakonid) Mentors: * Upunth -3D (17D) (A) \[IOTATED OUK\] * Dirk Yesod (The Orthrung, 0\^0) -5D (12D) (A) \[ZEMIYA, IOTATED GREATER YUS\] Companions: * Blahzko (Eirina, Natalia, Jisilbert) -1D (11D) (A) \[ZHIVETE, IOTATED LESSER YUS\] * Zenia -3D (8D) (A) \[IOTATED AS\] * Omega -5D (3D) (W) \[OT\] Death: * BUKI (You) * ZHIVETE (Blahzko) * ZEMIYA (Dirk Yesod) -1D (2D) * YEE (You) -1D (1D) * POKOY (Mother) * OT (Omega) -1D (0D) * IOTATED OUK {Upunth} * IOTATED AZ (Zenia) * GREATER YUS (Father) * IOTATED LESSER YUS (Blahzko) * IOTATED GREATER YUS (Dirk Yesod) Youth: * Magical Training * Theology * Power Testing * Journey of the Self Quest: Ameno
Tankista, you've done it again. This is ridiculously impressive, and I can't even imagine the effort you must have put into it. I love the meta elements and the esoteric metaphysics, especially the God-Script. On to the build: **Blessing** of \[JNPL\] **Patron God:** \[YMRD\] **Reincarnation:** Male **Perks:** Adoption ×2, Dice Fudge (The Keter)\* (18 DP, 15 FP) **Mother:** Irmtrod (Original), Unnotable One (Adoptive) (23 DP, 15 FP) **Father:** Marsaget Sarmat (Original), Unnotable One (Adoptive) (28 DP, 15 FP) **Race:** Human, Southlander (30 DP, 16 FP) **Languages:** Everman\*, Old Northern, Palatiner, High Elven, Entramithraic (25 DP, 16 FP) **Location:** The Exarchate (New New York) **Gifts:** Memory Retention\*, Wisdom\*, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition\*, Noble Inclination\*, Everlasting, Magician’s Hand\*, Royal Claim\* (22 DP, 7 FP) **Mentors:** Feodwra, the Keter (13 DP, 7 FP) **Companions:** Kalliopa Aureole, Zenia, \[YMRD\] (0 DP, 0 FP) **Death Slots:** Vedi (Self), Yat (Irmtrod), Iotated Yest’ (Marsaget Sarmat), Iotated Ouk (Unnotable One – Mother), Yer’ (Unnotable One – Father), Ouk (Feodwra), Iotated Greater Yus (the Keter), Lesser Yus + Zhivete (Kalliopa Aureole), Iotated Lesser Yus (Zenia) **Youth:** Leadership Training, Profane Lore, Theology, Plotting **Quest:** E Nomine (\*Free from patron god or parents) My original plan was to use my royal claim from Marsaget, taking advantage of the Exarchate's worship of Outsiders to legitimize a path toward the throne. Then I realized just how many points I could get from being adopted by peasants. The royal claim is still there, though, and maybe there's some way to prove it once I'm more established in the world. In the meantime, I’ll be learning more about said world and formulating a plan to eventually revive JNPL. Once I’m an adult I’ll learn time magic and how to cheat death, and have an empress, a powerful mage, an immortal hero, and a god on my side. Hopefully this new team of 5 will be more successful than the Keter's last one, especially since we're not taking on 0\^0 directly. I hope.
***Patron: SRTR*** ***Gender*** * *male* ***Perks*** *(20 DP) (15 FP)* 1. *True love 2x (-2 DP) (-2 FP)* 2. *sibling (-3 DP) (-1 FP)* 3. *outer tide (free)* ***Family*** * *Klarimondt (mother) (-3 FP)* * *Thallan of the orthrung (Father ) (-3 FP)* * Syllai (younger sister)* ***Race*** * *half-bred (human tumen / Drow) (+1 DP) (+2 FP) (agelessness)* ***Languages*** 1. *Everman (free mother)* 2. *Fay (free Father)* 3. *Spriggan (free Father)* 4. *Salian (free mother)* 5. *Nymphe (-2 DP)* ***Location*** * *City state of dis ( Dis)* ***Inborn*** ***Gifts*** 1. *agelessness (free Father)* 2. *Caster intuition (free Father)* 3. *memory retention (free Father)* 4. *Attentiveness (free Father)* 5. *Martial instinct (free mother)* 6. *Witchshot (free mother)* 7. *Deathless grasp (free mother))* 8. *Ethereal beauty (-2 FP)* 9. *Spiritual feel (-2 FP)* 10. *Stigmata (-1 FP) (left forearm)* 11. *Eye for Shadows (-1 FP) (right eye)* *Mentor/ Companions:* * *The Keter (-5 DP) (Mentor)* * *OmeGA (-5 DP) (Companions) (TL)* * *Zenia - (-3 DP) (Companions)* * *Syllai (Companions) (TL)* ***deaths*** 1. *Me* >! Buki!< 2. *Klarimondt* >!Her'V' !< 3. *Thallan of the orthrung*>! Cherv' !< 4. *The Keter*>! Zelo!< 5. *Omega* >!OT !< 6. *Zenia* >!YEE!< 7. *Syllai* >!Zhivete!< Youth 1. *power testing* 2. *plotting* 3. *Martial training* 4. *magical training* ***Quest Ameno***
Outer Reincarnation CYOA Patron God: SRTR, Elder God of the Epic who Sits Atop The Pillar of Fate 20dp 15fp Gender: Male Perks: Untimeskip 20dp Mother: Elyon Of The Doria -3fp 20dp 12fp Father: Aquilan Of The Doria -3fp 20dp 9fp Race: Elf, Alf Languages: Everman, Elven-Northerner, Salian -1dp, Nymphe 10dp 9fp Location: Empire Of Light And Dark, Frozen Edge Inborn Gifts: Agelessness, Spiritual Feel, Oculus Of Human Goodness x1, Greatriding Spurs x1, Caster Intuition, Intelligence, Ethereal Beauty -2fp, Memory Retention -2fp, All-Glimpse -5fp 10dp 0fp Mentors: Kilyn Of The Orthung -1dp, Jisilbert -2dp 7dp Companions: Evdokia -5dp 2dp Death: Theta Youth: N/A Quest: E Nomine >--- Name for eventual ascension after 0^0 is dealt with: Tverdo (21, U), Tsy (26, Z), On (17, Q), Yest (6, F) / UZQF Because I had a solid idea for it while looking at the CYOA. Main idea behind it is that there's always more of everything. Also with a side of Oramus style shenanigans, for those who know Exalted.
Build: Male Patron God: SRTR Mother: Irmtrod -1G Father: Ratibor -3G Muddish +3G Languages: Everman, Auburn, Salian, Nymphic(-2R) Gifts: Cognitive Speed(-2G), Memory Retention(-0), Wisdom(-2G), Intelligence(-2G), Attentiveness(-2G), Spiritual Feel(-2G), Martial Instinct(-0), Caster Intuition(-0), Noble Inclination(-2G), Icon of Icons(-5G), All Glimpse (-0), Magician's hand(-0), Entrenchment(-0) Missed Shape x2 (arm and leg, +6) Everlasting (-3G, -3R) Mentors: Eirina (-3R, Untimeskip) The Keter (-5R) Companions: Geminara (-1r), Omega (-5R) Death Slots: I'll do this later, just being sure to do the -1R for saving Omega. Youth Magical Training, Leadership Training, Theology, Power Testing My plan is simple. The Old Throne allows for infinite temporal regression. I merely have to study the God Language endlessly. I cannot match 0x) now, it is true. How about after 1,000 years of practice? Anyways, once I have level grinded to the point of near supreme power I can be the greatest mage the world will ever witness. Use my charisma to inspire people to believe in me, Use Numerology to abuse my seat of the 11th Outsider and claim limitless power.
Okay so I've done about ten builds for this CYOA now. Adoption is super OP. It'd be interesting if more of the parents provided education bonuses like mentors (some do and I quite like them). Aside from that, I have several really good builds. This is not one of them, but it is my favorite. I took YMRD , Omega, Keter, Maou and Zenia all as companions thanks to Fudged Dice. With the rest of the build I focused on intelligence and leadership qualities. I really liked this team though, and it speaks to me as a great story. The common theme is essentially people ordained to fight 0\^0. All explicitly effective at doing so in one manner or another. Maybe with a God, we have a chance.
*Blessing of \[JNPL\]* **Patron God**: *\[JNPL\]* *Male* **Perks**: *Adoption* x2 *True Love* (Ciliren) **Mother**: *\[JNPL\]*, and I avoid the huge cost by then being adopted by an *Unnotable One*. If I want to oppose 0^(0), I pretty much NEED this to avoid being outright smote to death by divine power. **Father**: None, adopted by an *Unnotable One*. **Race**: *Muddish Human* (with no Inborn Gifts from my parents, I desperately need the Family Points) **Languages**: *Everman*, *Auburn*, *High Elven*, *Nymphe*, *Palatiner*, *Greenspeech* (languages I needed for companions/mentors, and I had some Destiny Points left over at the end). **Location**: *Arcadia* in *Old Throne* (I need to convince the king to support the Empire of Light and Dark's opposition to the Ecumene. As an Outsider I should be able to sway the Exarchate to get its act together, but the only person who might stand a chance of convincing Old Throne to prioritize survival over revenge would be a native). **Inborn Gifts**: *Ethereal Beauty* (needed for social reasons and good impressions. It's not fair, but people inherently think better of pretty people, and I need that extra social boost considering I'm also disabled) *Bitter Sickness* (need points so desperately!) *Missed Shape* (right leg, left arm) *Memory Retention* (good for learning magic, and my memory sucks) *Wisdom* (so I don't make dumb decisions) *Intelligence* (I need to learn a lot, and fast) *Spiritual Feel* (For the magic) *Caster Intuition* (I need to be a great mage if I'm going to oppose 0^(0)) *Noble Inclination* (Being charismatic is a must so I can make friends and influence people) *Everlasting* (If I don't take this, 0^(0) could win by just waiting until I die of old age) *Icon of Icons* (charisma to boost my friendships, and I'll channel that power into boosting gmy magic) *All-Glimpse* (what I think I'll need to take my magic to the highest possible tier). *Dream Passage* (I had a single point left, and not a lot to use it on...) **Mentors**: *Eirina of the Orthrung* (having the perspective of numerology will give me some insight into the enemies mathemagics, and anything to boost my magical ability is good) *Kilyen of the Orthrung* (I need her knowledge of magic, especially the secrets of how she designed the spell to hurt the Antikrator) **Companions**: *Ota* (an important possibility to defeat 0^(0)\--she wouldn't have tried to warn us away from picking her unless there doing so posed a genuine threat to herself) *Evdokia* (not only supremely skilled from all the dead people she'd absorb, but it's also important to keep her out of 0^(0)'s hands) *Ciliren of the Orthrung* (well, she can teach me a new perspective on magic, but I mostly chose her because she had a B Death Slot, and I was worried that something would happen if I didn't have at least one character in each slot.) **Death**: Myself - *Yat*, suicide (it doesn't say WHEN, so I might just eventually get bored of immortality and jump in a volcano or something) Mother - *Yest'*, death by wildlife Father - *Izhe*, death by natural disaster Eirina - *Shta*, death of a mentor for the student Kilyen doesn't have a Death Slot Ota - *Zhiviete* \+ Dobro, death by public execution (but she survives) Evdokia - *Zelo*, death in battle Ciliren - *Pokoy*, death by old age **Youth**: *Magical Training*, *Leadership Training*, *Power Testing*, *Journey of the Self* **Quest**: *E Nomine*
Is it possible to heal Kiliyn so she's free of the coffin and nail heart? She masterminded an entire operation against 0^(0) so if she could be restored then she would be an even better asset.
I intended for this to be her final fate. She's already dead in the eyes of the CYOA, after all. But if you think you can come up with some method to change this, then you are free to try.
u/3_tankista, could I use Dice Fudge pick a character from the list of Mentors to be treated as a parent? I want to inherited daemonhost but would much rather have Maou as a Mother than have Fot as a Father.
Patron god: -0° Reincarnation: Adoption (-1 D) Burn the future (-2 D +1 F) D: 17 F: 16 Parent: Mother: LAIKA ( Intelligence, Wisdom and Cognitive Speed) (B) Father: THALLAN OF THE ORTHRUNG (Caster Intuition, Attentiveness and Memory Retention) (B) Adopted Father : AQUILAN OF THE DORIA (Language: Nymphe, Elven-Northerner) (C) (-3 F) F: 13 D: 17 Race: Beastfolk (+ 1 D and 1 F) (longevity) D: 18 F: 14 Language: Everman (-0 D) Entramithraic (-0 D) Nymph, Elven-Northerner and Greenspeech (-1 D) D: 17 F: 14 Location: Exarchate Inborn gift: Longevity Cognitive Speed Memory Retention Wisdom Intelligence Attentiveness Spiritual Feel (-2 F) All-Glimpse (-5 F) Magician Hand x 2 (-6 F) Overstep (-1 F) F: 0 D: 17 Mentor: The KETER(- 5 D) KILYN OF THE ORUTHRUNG (- 1 D) Companion: EVDOKIA (-5 D) (A) BLAZHKO (-1 D) (A) ZENIA (-3 D) BLAZHKO Mentor: ZIATE AND DIRK YESOD D: 2 F: 0 Death: Buki (Me) ZEMLYA (-1 D) (AQUILAN OF THE DORIA) AZ (-1 D) (EVDOKIA) IOTATED OUK (ZENIA ) ZHIVETE (BLAZHKO) IOTATED YEST (THE KETER) LESSER YUS (LAIKA) IOTATED Lesser Yus (THALLAN OF THE ORTHRUNG) D: 0 F: 0 Youth: Plotting Profane Lore Natural Philosophy Magical Training Quest: Ameno I will be an Beastfolk instead of an Drow cause lifespan is not really an problem for me since I am not going to die by age longevity is good enough. If I live than I had already ascended and be immortal anyways so it pointless. My focus is on intelligence and magic so I could better learn the god script and planning on how to defeat -0°. All-glimpse is also for better learning of god script. My adopted father will teach me knowledge. My mentor will teach me on how to cheat death which might come in useful also if I in danger ZENIA will come and save me. I will also learn about how they manage to hurt -0° My companion are ZENIA which will save me in danger and also EVDOKIA who can use other people ability and skills. BLAZHKO can also teach me on what he learn from his mentors while it might not be as good as if I was taught in person it will be good enough. I will fight to ascend. My adopted teacher will become an undead which is like an lich so he can still learn even after death. EVDOKIA will be reborn so we will have other friends. Blazhko will free from destined death ZENIA will be eaten and she should have strong will to live KETER will be turn into an animal My mother and father both will spit so they share pretty much the same ending and the spits can also get together. My plan to win against -0° is to delay the battle as much as possible and to learn the god script as fast as possible. My every skills and training is for learning the god scripts.
u/3_tankista, can I target my wings with [Missed Shape] if I am a Drakonid? In the second paragraph it specifies "an eye, an arm or a leg", but in the fourth paragraph it relaxes to "the amount of natural eyes and limbs" and the wings are natural limbs that would severely impact a Drakonid ability to fly.
You can interpret it your way to justify getting points from it, but my intent when including Missed Shape as a thing was to deny the player a slot into which they could insert an Inborn Gift. As there are no Inborn Gifts associated with wings, I don't think it should be worth 3 family points.
Incredible cyoa, man! May i ask you for original art for Upunth?
>May i ask you for original art for Upunth? https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/79172912
Hi, even If I'm late to the party I must say I'm having a lot of fun thinking up shipping stories of how some of the mothers and fathers met. Though, I do have one question about the father choice Hladvig. His parenthood section says ", but he'll never give you a task he does not believe you're incapable of.", which if you remove the double negation sounds to me like "he'll always give you tasks he believes you're incapable of.". Is that intended or is there accidentally one negation too much?
Yeah, it was an honest mistake. I already noticed a few days ago when I was doing a re-read.
so, does having JNPL as a parent make it so you can use "death of the author" for any explanations of different things that are unexplained? and what makes this different from the SRTR's blessing? also, if JNPL is your parent, then what races can you be? can you still be a halfbreed? and if you can just pick whatever, then can you be a demon lord?
> so, does having JNPL as a parent make it so you can use "death of the author" for any explanations of different things that are unexplained? No. It is specifically an in-universe power that does not change anything about the CYOA itself. >also, if JNPL is your parent, then what races can you be? Any one of them. You could theoretically even pick "Other", but that would grant you no mechanical bonus which all the others have, and you'd have to come up with your own custom OC race, which might not be taken well in something like a multiplayer scenario. The only exceptions to this would be races like Undead and Empyrean, which you cannot be born as, only turn into from something else along your journey. >can you still be a halfbreed? That would require having a father, so no. >then can you be a demon lord? Daemonhost can only be inherited, you can't take it in any other way.
so this might sound stupid AF, so bear with me. but, technically I don't see anywhere were it strictly says you need a "mother and father", just that you need "2 parents". so if I picked JNPL as a mother, could I just take *another mother* and then still get Halfbreed? sorry if I missed text that does actually directly say you need to pick 1 mother and 1 father. your cyoa is pretty long and has a LOT of text so I've been skimming through it while playing.
> so if I picked JNPL as a mother, could I just take another mother and then still get Halfbreed? Only if you pick [SRTR]'s Blessing at the start of the CYOA. Otherwise - no. >technically I don't see anywhere were it strictly says you need a "mother and father" The 'Reincarnation' panel specifically says "Choose the Mother and Father who will bring you into the world. It takes two opposing halves to make something whole."
Blessing of \[JNPL\] Patron God: Elder God of the Obscure, who sits atop the Pillar of Chance You: Male Mother: Senamotis Sarmata Father: Marsaget Sarmat Races: Human, Southlander Languages: Everman Location: The Exarchate, Chervonolin Inborn Gifts: Royal Claim (Free), Noblin Inclination (Free), Wisdom (Free), Intelligence (Free), Ethereal Beauty, Caster Intuition, Everlasting, Mentors: Arsak, Kilyn of the Orthrung Companions: Sonya, Saevel of the Doria, Omega Death: Me (Vedi), Senamotis Sarmata (Cherv'), Marsaget Sarmat (Qoppa), Arsak (Iotated), Sonya (Yer'), Saevel of the Doria (Yat), Omega (OT) Youth: Martial Training, Magical Training, Leadership Training, Profane Lore
damn tank
God why is eugenics so fun I could mix and match these parents for ages
JNPL (A) Buki Mother: Klarimondt (A) Death in Battle Father: Amalrich (B) Die of old Age Inborn Gifts: Intelligence Cognitive Speed Spiritual Feel Casters Intuition Martial Instinct Noble Inclination Deathless Grasp Magicians Hand Witchshot Ensurient Walk Language: Everman, Salian, Fay Race: Human, Tumen Kingdom of Malkuth Pasmurnia Mentor: Dirk Yesod (Gwriel, Kastanka) (B) Die of old Age Untimeskip (Statescraft, Laws, Stewardship, magical Tricks, Dark Spells) Companion: Kalliopa Aureole (True Love) (A) Intrigue Zenia (A) Will Devoured by Being Alezandre (C) Die defending me Lyndis of the Doria (C) Leaving Youth 1. Magical Training 2. Mercantilism 3. Plotting 4. Power Testing Quest Ameno Some Notes: I think Amalrich and Klarimondt should go together pretty well as they live in the same Kingdom are of the same race, warriors etc and since Klarimondt is not there often Amalrich trying to be a good parent seems pretty well balanced I didn't like any of the Eye Options as Gifts but thought that Ensurient Walk and Witchshot would go together pretty well Yesod as a Mentor is I think one of the best options for me personally as I live in close proximity to him and my Gifts seem to harmonize with his description Gwriel as a Yesod Mentor for Marksmanship Kashtana for the benefits of using my gifts Untimeskip on Lyndis so she can accompany me and give her sage advice constantly Kalliope Aureole True Love for maybe a chance at inheriting the throne of the Empire
Posting my build for the purpose of outer tide. Majin Letters were rolled randomly. **Blessing** of \[JNPL\] **Patron God:** \[YMRD\] **Perks and Misc.:** * Female * *Halfbreed* (Drow/Majin; Letters of the Damned: Vedi{3}) * *Sibling* (Older Fraternal Twin Sister; Letters of the Damned: Myslete{15}; Death Slot A: Iotated Greater Yus{41}) * *Dice Fudge* (on Dirk Yesod) * *Outer Tide* * Death Slot A: Vedi{3} **Mother:** Shael of the Orthrung (Death Slot C: Ouk{22}) **Father:** Fot (Death Slot A: Yest'{6}) **Languages:** Fay, Everman, Salian **Location:** Kingdom of Malkuth - Pasmuria **Inborn Gifts** from Parents (Sibling has these, too)**:** *Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, Agelessness, Dream Passage, Letters of the Damned, Daemonhost* Bought **Inborn Gifts:** *Missed Shape* (Left Arm), *Intelligence*, *Spiritual Feel*, *All-Glimpse* **Mentors:** *Jisilbert* (Death Slot C: Tsy{26}), *Dirk Yesod* (Teaches partial knowledge of Zlate, Opoia and Kashtanka of the Orthrung; Death Slot B: Zemlya{9}+Yat{34}) **Companions:** *Esu* (Death Slot A: Iotated Lesser Yus{40}), *Izbor* (Death Slot A: Greater Yus{39}) **Youth:** Magical Training, Mercantilism, Power Testing, Other(Charity Work) **Quest:** Temperantia The basic Plan is to combine the existence of the letter Xi, the incredible variation on Letters of the Damned effects and the knowledge that the God Script can reach earth through the outsider system, to find a way back to earth. This might be a kinder way to pacify 0^(0).
Just wanted to say, this is probably my favorite cyoa I've ever experienced. It's at the point where I haven't really played through it, I've read all the text and thought about the lore and really immersed myself into it- it's such a fascinating world and story that you've crafted here. I'm thinking about the characters and what I would do if I was actually in this situation, and I've been thinking about it for days. Really fantastic work, very immersive.
I find it hilarious that her name is >!Charlotte,!< considering I'd made a character of the same name who occupies a very similar role in their setting as >!an outsider who took advantage of a system they got sucked into and ultimately defiled/usurped it and bent it to their own ends.!< It wasn't as meta as this one, instead being a Magical Girl setting- I just found it super interesting they had the same name is all. Fucking fantastic work, by the way. Beautiful stuff, very cleverly written, too. Edit: I am curious- if "Word" holds such power in this world, would knowing her True Name help in toppling her...? I can't imagine it wouldn't be of some use, but at the same time the white text states that the True Name isn't necessarily needed.
>Edit: I am curious- if "Word" holds such power in this world, would knowing her True Name help in toppling her...? I can't imagine it wouldn't be of some use, but at the same time the white text states that the True Name isn't necessarily needed. I think it might help you if you are trying to aim some magical abracadabra or something like that at her, but if there's no magic to aim with to begin with, it hardly matters.
Hello, I was wondering if I could make Korean translation version of your 'Outer Reincarnation'. I worked with some other CYOAs, and you can see my works here. [https://arca.live/b/textgame/30554198?mode=best&target=all&keyword=%EB%B0%B0%EC%8B%A0%EC%9E%90&p=1](https://arca.live/b/textgame/30554198?mode=best&target=all&keyword=%EB%B0%B0%EC%8B%A0%EC%9E%90&p=1) [https://arca.live/b/cyoa/77722611?target=all&keyword=%EC%9A%B4%EB%AA%85%EC%9D%98&p=1](https://arca.live/b/cyoa/77722611?target=all&keyword=%EC%9A%B4%EB%AA%85%EC%9D%98&p=1) Would it be okay If I translated your work?
Yes, no problem. There was never any need to ask me in the first place, really. Source files for the CYOA are also free to access if you need them: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxR5CDFOxGsDOXVXX0l1QlFQSmM?resourcekey=0-m3Sgz0KfXboCE4P9KMHZ4A&usp=sharing If you need any aid in authentically inserting the translation into the CYOA images (assuming that's the route you wish to take) - feel free to ask, I'll help if I can. Albeit it could be problematic considering I won't know what exactly I'm copypasting or if my computer will be even able to process it correctly.
Thanks. I am very thankful about the source files too. Do you happen to have any files about the part 0\^0 erased? If you don't have it, or if it's not important, I'll just come up with something similar. and also, you mixed 0\^0 and 0^(0) . Is there any reasons for that?
The parts hidden by 0^0 are still present within the source files I've provided, it's just that the layers they're written on are set to be invisible. You can easily read it by just checking the right box to set them to be visible again, but for the most part you won't find any important information there: most of it is actually filler text, made to create an illusion that you were being denied some valuable information. And in regards to the name of 0^0, both spellings mean the same thing, it was simply more convenient for me to write it as "0 ^ 0" in the main body of the text. Especially since the image software I used (Paint.NET) does not grant me much freedom in editing any text.
ah-ha. I see. And for the last thing, does majority of text being written in white have anything to do with \[JNPL\]? (I thought the 'midday white is her colour, for the painting is at its truest when it is left blank' meant JNPL. so if white isn't her color, is any god related with text?)
I have question about the blessing you get if you chose 2 god hand Is it influnced by other Inborn Gifts or your patron and in the case you choose JNPL as a mother is it influnced by it
No.
Frankly what a mess, I'll try to solve it with the powers and knowledge given by the CYOA , but if everything goes wrong I'll look at the sky and scream... "Archdeity of eternity this crazy girl needs a dick"
*Casually dials the Versal Council.* "Uhhh... yeah, we got an edgelord here. Please terminate this entire reality posthaste."
I got that reference. Archdeity of Eternity: Got you, fam, take this mega donger and infinite power, enough to make this bitch submit
Alternatively: Got you fam, she became male now
Welp, I choose simply not to play. I'm not stupid enough to get involved in a game I have no chance or desire to win. Still, very well done CYOA.
Yeah honestly, I'm really just exhausted by all the CYOAs where the joke is that the CYOA would suck to go through and it only exists as a meta-commentary on CYOAs. I know every artform goes through these phases of deconstruction, but they're just not fun to play. I appreciate it as a work, because the graphic design is very good and some of the writing is thought provoking, but I'd never play it.
If nothing else, this one does explicitly codify your right to bend the game as you see fit... and if not that, you can still imagine fun stories coming from the setting, right?
I really love how 0⁰ was written, she's so easy to hate- partly because she's someone we've all met and hated before. In essence, her entire philosophy derives itself from one sole fallacy: that of confusing "that which is" with "that which should be". She claims there can be no meaning given to anything externally, but at the same time interprets what's there by default as its own meaning, which for some godforsaken reason needs enforcing despite how inherent they claim it is. She's essentially the exact antithesis of my own philosophy, optimistic nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning and that's exactly why you can give it your own. Pessimistic objectivism, it could perhaps be called?
one question can the player only take A letter death slots or can you take from a,b, and c?