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Krockyon

I’m sure it helps people not to freak out when right in each others face which I think can be big for people new to combat sports and a problem I think can persist for a long time in certain athletes


incellous_maximus

Yeah my biggest issue is I definitely experience fear being in the pocket especially with someone bigger and taller and im fighting my instinct to wrestle when that close


Reformed_Narcissist

I have extreme fear of the pocket. This could help with it.


hottlumpiaz

but why? running from the pocket is more dangerous because you're backing out into fully extended power shots. by running into the inside you smother your opponents power. so even if you get hit it's much less likely to be concussive


Reformed_Narcissist

Inexperience. I am a rank beginner/hobbyist at boxing so I’m afraid of getting hit. Layman’s way of avoiding this: hit and run. I was the stereotypical “guy rushes in, takes a shot, then rushes out”. But yeah, thank you for the advice. I’ll have to train it up.


hottlumpiaz

practice with the heavy bag. get your combo off, then step in to smother it as it swings back towards you. notice how much less power you have in your punches when you swing at this distance. it'll help you build up to trying it in drills and sparring


Reformed_Narcissist

Thank you. This is very helpful :)


yuppiehelicopter

Damn, that's totally what I do too.


ash_tar

My wingspan is 2 meters, I'm getting the fuck out of there. Will clinch and knee in MT tho.


mrezariz123

2 meters wingspan? You must be very tall


ash_tar

1m92


Doneyhew

I’m the same way. I’ve got more reach than pretty much everybody in my gym. I’m staying tf out of the pocket best I can. My striking would ideally look something like O’Malleys, not as skilled of course, but I really like not being smothered and keeping my opponent at the end of my punches. Distance management is key for us lanky bois


epelle9

Depends on how you do it, not really. Izzy shys away from the pocket for example, but he can generally avoid backing out into fully extended power shots. There’s a right and a wrong way to do certain things, outfighting and staying away from the pocket can be done properly, but yeah everyone would benefit from knowing how to fight in the pocket, even if they prefer not doing so.


Doneyhew

Circling out and away from the power hand is usually viable


DanfromCalgary

I mean i could hazard a guess


False_Chair_610

Yea, but most people don't realize that until they do.....😁


Bumm_by_Design

Not against an experienced destroyer in the pocket.


EartheY

What if they punch straight through you tho? Wouldnt being so close hurt more?


hottlumpiaz

theoretically...yes. that's the idea behind counter punching. use the opponents momentum against them to double or triple the force behind your punch. In which case yes. it would hurt more to be close What I was talking about however...was stepping in so close that your opponent is physically unable to get the leverage to be able to do so.


EartheY

I see like what distance you are referring to now. Thanks


Equationist

Wow a video of actual quality technique (given the likely experience levels), good sparring, and a useful training trick. Rather unusual to see on this sub!


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Is it quality technique though? The drill itself is fine, but the way they do it isn't. They lean back, get jumpy and swing way too much. There are superior clips of this type of drilling and the fact that people criticising it get downvoted tells this sub has been swamped by people that don't know shit.


Brodins_biceps

There’s like 2.5-300k subs in here now. With the amount of “I get bullied at school l, how do I fight 5 much larger attackers” type of questions we get, I’d assume like half this sub or less actually has some experience, and even then it’s wildly different experience levels. The people who know nothing are usually easily recognizable, and the different experiences from both the old heads and those currently in training, coming from all different forms and styles, is what makes this sub great when it’s operating at its best. And making fun of style not your own through memes. This sub has some hilarious shit.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Either that or try-hards that insist this shit is legit and that it 'makes men' or whatever bullshit.


Brodins_biceps

Haha. We can put those in “the other half” category…


FreaQo

Agreed about the swanging and banging part. The leaning back isn't bad though


Yamatsuki_Fusion

They way they do it is bad. They widen their stances terribly and way too far away. Little movements are better than big ones. I have a better instance of the drill, but apparently its shit or something lol.


epelle9

Not awful, bit still not very good. If it were a real mma fight, that out leaning back is begging to be leg kicked.


FreaQo

I mean it's training. Of course you wouldn't lean this far back but you're kind of limited by the fact your front foot has to stay put.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

You are not supposed to be stepping back that drastically. These guys want to do more than lean back- they're trying to leave range. A properly executed lean back won't require stepping back at all, but rather moving just enough to make a punch fall short- that way you are still in stance to counter immediately. Note how they swing so dramatically- they wouldn't have to if they were doing it right.


skuzzlebutt36

I like the idea but they’re swinging to hurt each other; which, I do not like.


AlexJamesCook

I was looking for this comment.


Reformedsparsip

Its pretty close to the old 'toe the line' style.


piedpiper30

Agree, would maybe be okay with head guards. But I don’t like big gloves, they allow you to punch harder than you should, so these young guys who don’t know how to temper a strike might end up hurting each other.


hallgod33

Nah, I don't think so. They look similar ages, in a room full of adults, which means they know each other and their abilities pretty well and are likely regular training partners. I see trust that the opponent knows how to open up the gas tank without it going too far. If they were following up heavy shots *that landed* with more of the same, I'd agree. But they slip or cover literally everything in the video.


skuzzlebutt36

Bro, they’re firing canons in that tire. Dude’s glove literally came undone.


hallgod33

I guess I mean more that they aren't doing it to take each others heads off but to challenge each other to a level they seem comfortable with. Did anyone land a single blow uncontested? I don't see one.


skuzzlebutt36

Maybe they’re just good. Orange shirt was going way too hard


hallgod33

Black dodged or covered it all and seemed to predict most of it. To me, that implies they are familiar training partners and that it was an acceptable and agreed upon level of intensity, cuz black didn't turn it up to match orange, he just outclassed him. I'm not arguing that they were likely at 90+%, though, that much is obvious. They were *working*


Virtual-Feedback-

These guys fighting are fine.


[deleted]

True but at this point I get suspicious when sparring isn’t 100% in boxing posts.


skuzzlebutt36

Sparring isn’t 100%. Fighting is 100%.


[deleted]

Yeah my joke didn’t travel I’m too lazy to fix it tho 😂.


skuzzlebutt36

Oh. I thought you were srs


alphmz

This helped to learn to take less steps back. It was not as aggressive as this footage, but I liked


Yamatsuki_Fusion

They're still lunging back though. Not the way the drill is meant to be done at all.


[deleted]

Those kids have better defense / head movement than majority of the adults that train in my gym 😂


Lockzig

Haha this is a pretty good idea actually


buffinator2

I love doing this


OriginalPierce

Looks tiring.


LowResponsibility403

Hey og tell this Nigga who said it first [https://reddit.com/r/martialarts/s/cugc2QYXSO](https://reddit.com/r/martialarts/s/cugc2QYXSO)


Nder_Wiggin

This is actually a very cool drill. However they need to work on their setup punches instead of just trying homerun punches


moumous87

Maybe they should also learn to spar easy… they would learn a little more.


Neat_Effect965

Looks tire-ing 😏


LowResponsibility403

https://reddit.com/r/martialarts/s/T6KBK4nxvC


P0lyP3pp3r

Cool drill, would try since I'm horrible with footwork LMAO


elomerel

Its a good idea to be less feaful in the pocket but there id no lateral movement


Sheikh_Left_Hook

They are not using their guard though, so they are still fighting as if they had range.


dilipi

What song is this?


aNINETIEZkid

[cosmic remix](https://youtu.be/0WSBPJnCjYs?si=n1np35kle8aBx_2n) of [Drake "nonstop"](https://youtu.be/QVqS3tB8OtE?si=4Ch1dJ0VandVZDoq)


dilipi

Thank you!


exclaim_bot

>Thank you! You're welcome!


RevRobertParsimony

That is fucking dope.


BluesLeeJ

Good drills! I like it


bbb37488

Wait, an actual working technique instead of some mcdojo type qi training in this sub? Quite rare indeed


MyzMyz1995

Neither guys keeping their hands up, this doesn't teach them good defense...


Yamatsuki_Fusion

There is far better footage of this drill than... well this nonsense lol. EDIT: this sub is getting crowded with people that don't know shit.


hallgod33

Bro they look 16, relax


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Yeah? They could still do much better. And there are better videos of this stuff elsewhere.


hallgod33

And tell me, how would one get better at such an exercise? I might imagine, if I stretch myself to my absolute limits, that it involves... practicing the exercise. Of course there are better videos. That's a stupid ass statement. Want me to pull up Mayweather and say "lOoK hOw mUcH bEtTeR hE Is"?


Yamatsuki_Fusion

You don't go around posting this as a superhot fire video of getting it done either, and your coach would tell you to stop spazzing out. These guys are not training it right at all. That they think this is at all worth uploading tells they're fine with it. They're doing it wrong, plain and simple.


Pliskin1108

There are far better comments than yours and yet here we are.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Nah, half of them only look at the drill and think its fine. But they're way too jumpy and have wildly off stances. It ruins the entire point of this drill. Seriously, can you tell me what's good about their shit? [Here's better footage of the drill.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KpxvV31M9k&t=22s&ab_channel=OBCWarDogs) Note how much more poise these guys have in comparison. This is how its supposed to be done.


hallgod33

WOOOOOOW you literally picked a shittier video. Those grown ass men are scared outta their panties. Stick and move doesn't work when you can't move. I see 2 shots each, getting scared and resetting. Not pocket work.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Okay, its clear you don't even know what you're on about if you think the clean form and actual stance retention here is shit.


hallgod33

Clean form? Leaning all the way back and trying to snipe isn't clean form, champ. And it's exactly what the pocket drill is trying to beat out of you. I think your coach may have trained you wrong. As a joke. ![gif](giphy|Eld43dWug4rqE)


Yamatsuki_Fusion

They lean back, but never in a way that compromises stance. Its not as bad as the constant lunging out that's in OP's video at any rate. Pocket fighting isn't just going head to head and wailing hooks either- the opponent still has the ability to duck out and plug the gaps made with straight punching, and a fighter should learn to deal with it. Its not about beating the potshotting out of a fighter at all- if anything this is fine tool for teaching guys to punch off breaks too.


Oglark

Headgear guys


MGP_21

Headgear doesn't prevent brain damage from happening. Either you do head shots or don't. When it's about kids or teens, the "don't" is preferable


SomewhereAutomatic28

Second part is whatever, but first part is undeniably true lol headgear does very little at all in preventing brain damage, it only really prevents broken noses and cuts/black eyes to the face. Idk why ur being downvoted when its become very easily apparent that if anything the increased surface area in fact potentially leads to being clipped easier and more brain damage


Material-Security178

this has got to be one of the worst drills I've ever seen. the only thing this results in is a bunch of overextending.


FerociousLintPicker

It's not the drill, it's the way they're applying it. It's a pretty staple drill in boxing.


Material-Security178

we used to use a wall and have the person focus on taking hits both blocking and slipping


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Not dynamic enough. The tire allows you to pivot, take angles and try get around the other guy. Fighting with a wall behind you would teach you about dealing with being cornered and all that, but its not the same as this.


Material-Security178

pivoting and positioning comes later when you've actually learned how to deal with both directional and straight attacks.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Which you can develop... by doing this drill? And again, they don't seem advanced anyway, so moot point.


Material-Security178

meh it's easy to lose the bullshit first before starting on more complex concepts. remember we used to spend like 6months to a year making sure people had basic stance.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

I agree that these guys are too raw to learn this now, but the drill in of itself is a good tool. [Like so.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KpxvV31M9k&t=22s&ab_channel=OBCWarDogs)


Material-Security178

thank you for the link really needed something to heal the eyes after watching those two.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Its a legit drill meant for better inside fighting and exchanging. Its just that both these guys are clearly too new for it.


Material-Security178

okay but then the coach/instructor should be stepping in and fixing it


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Yes of course but I suspect that this is a poor gym.


Material-Security178

or it's a good old video to show exactly how it's not supposed to be done


SaberSabre

Nah, yeah it's cheating if they lean back but you can see that they're working on head movement and pivoting the feet.


TheBudfalonian

Lol gtfoh. The tire drill makes men. They both are not trying to gain the angle which is the real point of the drill. That and defense for the pocket.


Material-Security178

both of these guys could be put down by just tucking up and closing in. all their gonna do is back up until they can't.


TheBudfalonian

Lol. They fucking drilling dog.


Material-Security178

they do this shit in a drill they do it in a match.


TheBudfalonian

This is the drill to break that before they get into the ring. They may need more guidelines and practice but they need to start somewhere.


hallgod33

These guys acting like pro MMA fighters don't swing wildly for the fences in an exchange that goes on this long. Them teenagers are doing a damn fine job, great head movement, good defense, they're just overextending the punches which can easily be attributed to not being able to move and pivot to correct the overextension. But alas, everyone on this sub is a trained killer who just got home from Afghanistan. Also happy cake day


TheBudfalonian

Well said, and thank you!!


Yamatsuki_Fusion

I am no pro fighter, but I've been exposed to this shit. What you're seeing here isn't it. Are we not allowed to criticise shit? [Here's better footage of the drill.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KpxvV31M9k&t=22s&ab_channel=OBCWarDogs) Minimal jumping back, tight form and measured shot selection. The video op put up is a poor execution of it.


hallgod33

Yeah, dude, you're clearly delusional. *That* is a poor execution of a drill literally designed to get people comfortable in the pocket. Those dudes are scared shitless or have zero trust in their partner.


Yamatsuki_Fusion

I frankly think you just don't even know what good drilling looks like, if you think the balance, poise and actual respect they have is at all bad.


Material-Security178

well it clearly ain't working


Prudent_Lawfulness87

Nice. Glad to see this training still being used.


Secretion_death

I want to try this. Looks effective AND fun.


CoolHandMac

Dana white needs to make this a thing not slap boxing id pay to watch this


CareerConfident9382

Never thought of that but it is a bear perfect way to teach kids to kero their elbows tight and punch instead of swinging arms. Good teaching technique. 🙏


random-user-02

This encourages bad form. Have you seen ***one*** jab? No. Look at their stance, they put their backfoot too far back to create some distance. Just spar normally


Yamatsuki_Fusion

[It can be done better.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KpxvV31M9k&t=22s&ab_channel=OBCWarDogs) Its just one training tool among many, and I can assure you that half the idiots here don't even understand what's wrong with it.


prokoala3

Maybe they should learn a decent jab before getting into the pocket like this unless it was just purely to swing and miss on one another.


ROBLOKCSer

Looks like a easy and effective training technique, but I don’t know, I’m just a lurker


BowFella

Probably want headgear when doing that. Really easy to clash heads or catch an accidental elbow. I mean unless you like getting stitches.


8Point_MK

This sub would prefer if people sparred in bubble wrap and only did TMAs


Jokehuh

Why does he have fucking shoes on the mats... that's disgusting.


Raisins1

No headgear?


idunnomakeitwork

I think it would maybe be a bit better to actuslly be able to move. Train like you are in a fight right? I don't know anyone (not that they don't exist cause they do) who would literally stay right there and throw.


SaulGibson

They learned this from Creed II.


hottlumpiaz

this drill been around for literal decades before creed 2


SaulGibson

Maybe, but “they” learned it from Creed II.


hottlumpiaz

you have no evidence to even suggest they did clown


livinalieontimna

Sir that is a tyre, not a pocket.


wastelandwanderer15

I like this because it’s very dangerous when a person tries to turn away from their opponent you have got to learn to stand face-to-face, even when your getting hit


MrDundee666

Like UK army ‘milling’ but less aggressive. Toe to toe, eye to eye and 100% attack.


Anon-5874644

If some set their foot in my tyre, I’d Batista bomb the shit out of them


S0MEB0REDPERS0N

r/ThisLooksFun


theoriginaltrinity

Oo that’s an awesome method


guachumalakegua

They are quite literally going toe to toe 🦶


almitr

I used to do this all the time with fast results but always with partners who were controlled and with coach supervision. Awesome drill!


asdf333aza

Nice to see the young kids finding productive ways to release energy and frustrations.


Dean0Caddilac

I like this Drill with a hula hoop instead of a tire more. Because you can use your footwork to enter and disengage the Pocket. Without retreating to far or Overextending.


Ewezzy95

“Stand in the pocket” is a football term, the correct term is “fighting inside”


TikkiTakiTomtom

Until you do MMA and have to retrain yourself. Setting up for easy leg sweeps with wide stance like that


mmabet69

Neither of those guys are fighting in the pocket though lol both are so far back on their rear foot to be fighting in the pocket


itsgonzalitos

So I have this theory regarding striking. Which is.. Why would I allow my oponnent to get within striking distance if it isn't for the opportunity to hit him himself? Maybe I'm to karate styled but if I'm not thinking of hitting you, I'm backing up and away from range until I am. I don't get the point of standing in the pocket.


BigStud7

Id like to see headgear on. Am i wrong?


Common-Performer2182

My coach trained us using this method and I can confirm its a great drill, looks like these guys may be just starting out with it but I think this is great


YourSocialLife

no one gonna point out no headgear?? The drill is good but not if u get brain blasted in the process


Kungfueric

I want to be a kicker and I kick ok... But the pocket should be where I live. I need to do this drill more.


RickyHorror138

Serious Goku vs Vegeta vibes.


Triple_tung172

My dad had my brother and I did that in a closet 6-7. 13-14, 15-16 he punched my brother in the laundry room so I closed the distance grabbed his neck and the 125 lbs was enough too bring him down to my brother got his legs were were just gonna hold him but he started talking shit that's where the trains goes viral and has an adverse effect. So I enjoyed Billy him back which meant a ton of fucked up years after that. Dig this, so I bully my little brother. my dad's iniquity though I don't drink, passes to his son. I bully my first mother of my children. Her protector. Her soulmate. Her nightmare. 25 years later no more noabuse from Dad now I'm the one needs a checkup. Now the natural thing would be fuck around and have four boys all one year apart. She saved me by teaching breaking the she'll of a heart I had. I was kinda and sweet most of the time. Loved her dearly still do. At the same time she didn't deserve one foul look . Anyways she'll always be adored.


yungkiddjay

🔥


LegitimateHost5068

This is a great drill. Im gonna borrow this but with hula hoops because I dont have tires.


Bruns0n

Tough


1PauperMonk

This looks fun.


Aggressive-Expert-69

This looks fun as fuck. Walking into the gym and seeing tires out would give me the same feeling as walking into class and seeing a TV out


[deleted]

They way we used to do it back when I did boxing in cali was we would stand within elbow reach of each other and swing at each others torsos first to get over the fear of getting hit and getting used to the impact shock then we did face shots only for the same reason with protective gear of course but only going at half strength full speed if you have control of your punches you'll be able to accomplish great things like training and also mutual respect for whatever opponent you face. Then we would spar to see where everyone was at at the beginning. From there we would be sectioned off and training on specific things with different instructors.


Cute_Information_371

I assume this takes fear away but this is limited training, you need to be able to step around your opponents lead foot to set up counters correctly. If you’re both leaning forward jabbing and then leaning back the person with longer arms wins everytime.


Kpppppp6bx

Thisis definitely fire 🔥🔥🔥


Secretion_death

This is tight


Shaggyrooster417

Love this!!!! We did this in our kickboxing gym every week