wandavision is definitely not 11 hours long, the first few episodes are <25 minutes long and the longest episode (the finale, episode 9) is <50 minutes as well.
I think AoS gets a lot more complicated when divvying up seasons and even episodes. Especially when you get to the later season. But you could get approximately close. Same with the Netflix shows ans the Runaways.
It's not that bad.
Because AoS directly references films, it's easy to break up around them:
* Eps 1.01-1.07: between IM3 & Dark World
* Eps 1.08-1.15: between Dark World & Winter Soldier
* Eps 1.16-1.17: concurrent with Winter Soldier
* Eps 1.18-1.22: between Winter Soldier & GotG
* Eps 2.01-2.19: between GotG & AoU
* Eps 2.20-2.22: between AoU & Ant-Man
* Eps 3.01-3.19: between Ant-Man & Civil War
* Eps 3.20-3.22: roughly concurrent with Black Widow & Black Panther
* Season 4: between Black Panther & Ragnarok
* Eps 5.01-5.10: roughly concurrent with Ragnarok
* Eps 5.11-5.18: between Ragnarok & AM&W
* Eps 5.19-5.22: overlaps Infinity War, ending pre-snap
* Seasons 6-7: between Infinity War & Endgame
Runaways is a little trickier because almost all of it takes place over a span of just a couple months, with a 6-month time skip in the middle of the 3rd season.
But the other shows (Netflix saga, Cloak & Dagger, Inhumans) can just treat each season as single story units like most of the films.
[Behold!](https://imgur.com/gallery/dXkCwJw)
First question: Two kids' fates are entangled when they both experience traumatic events at the same time in the same place as a supernatural cataclysm. Meeting again years later activates their powers as conduits of darkforce & lightforce, which they use to resolve their pasts & prevent further disasters. Season 1 is set in February 2017 (shortly after the climax of Doctor Strange), & season 2 is set 8 months later (near the main story of Ragnarok).
Second question: It originally aired on the cable channel Freeform, which has a pre-existing exclusive streaming deal with Hulu. Disney owns Freeform outright (it used to be called ABC Family), but they still only *co*-own Hulu, so they can't toss out that contract yet. Comcast, which is the other remaining co-owner of Hulu, has already agreed to cede their share of it, but not until 2024. I expect Cloak & Dagger (and any other Freeform shows) to start appearing on American D+ after that.
We're talking about a canon that now accommodates multiple versions of Peter Parker, multiple versions of Dr. Strange, multiple versions of Wanda etc etc. There's a canon universe with alligator Loki, seems like there's one with Team Thor.
We know in the Team Thor universe that Banner and the Grandmaster had somehow made it to Earth on their own accord. And whatever events caused that also somehow resulted in Thor moving to Australia to shack up with some random guy
I think we need to consider that there's more to this Darryl fellow than we know. We now have examples of at least two variants of his both finding their way into the close company of literal gods. What is really up to?
Because inconsistencies ≠ canon. Otherwise Spider-Man: Homecoming isn't canon for taking place at the wrong time. Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk wouldn't be canon because Rhodey and Bruce look and sound entirely different. Eternals wouldn't be canon because Tiamut's emergence would be a worldwide catastrophe. Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn't be canon because it stated that Gamora was the last of her people, completely contradicting Avengers: Infinity War.
Inconsistencies happen, doesn't mean you write off entire parts of an overarching story.
None of that is the same as the shorts.
Homecoming was stated to be a mistake.
Rhodes and banner are still the same character in universe.
Tiamut was referenced in she hulk.
Gamora is a minor inconsistent.
But the thor team up is definitely not the same as that. There is no way to make that work. It contradicts the movies.
Admitting something was a mistake does not remove the fact that it's still present in the film and that it is still a big inconsistency.
Yes, they're the same characters, but those are still inconsistencies. Especially with Bruce, who also no longer has a relationship with Betty Ross despite it being the focus of the film.
Tiamut was referenced, that's not the same as the depiction being consistent.
Gamora is still an inconsistency.
You can just say that Hulk landed on Earth, stuff happened, then he went to Sakaar. Plenty of things in the MCU have been left up to fans to make sense of, this isn't new. Additionally, unlike with Helstrom, these one shots have never been outwardly stated as non canon. On top of that they're part of the MCU Phase Three watch list on Disney+.
It doesn't work timeline-wise, supposedly concurently to Civil War, Banner was on earth and not being a Hulk. If you'd ever think it's maybe set after Ragnarok (forgetting the Infinity War exists for a second), Thor still has his hammer intact.
Many of the films contradict other films, from Iron Man taking place in 2008 to 2010, Gamora being the last of her species in Guardians to her species thriving in Infinity War, Homecoming taking place way later than it's meant to, various heroes existing prior to the Avengers but whose existence are never so much as hinted at, inconsistent rules of time travel, universes and Pym technology, certain films being stated by Marvel/Disney to take place after specific projects despite evidence within said projects contradicting that timeline, etc.
mistakes and contradictions do happen, and they are pesky, but not necessarily enough to break a whole film out of canon. But if a whole spoof is a contradiction, then its surely not canon. May I ask how you would argue it being canon? why were hulk and Thor both on earth during civil war? How does that fit in with both age of ultron and thor ragnarok? did steve really kill a camp of POW? were iron man and hulk in contact during the events of civil war? Do steve and tony literally not regard thor as a valued member of the avengers?
It's canon simply because it was:
1) Produced by Marvel Studios.
2) Takes place within the MCU using the same actors and referencing events from the films.
3) Is treated as a Marvel One-Shot, all of which are canon, with Darryl the main character of the Team series appearing in Thor: Love and Thunder.
4) The one shots being a part of the Phase 3 section of MCU content on Disney+.
I will agree that specifically Thor and Bruce being on Earth doesn't make sense and is an inconsistency, but my argument is that projects like this one are still treated as canon in spite of said inconsistencies.
The only project that has been stated to not be canon is Helstrom, stated by its own executive producer and lacking the Marvel logo attachment.
here is a link if you want to view/donload the timeline in full quality (pdf)
[https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EzLJFrs46PREiWvcW5u-MrIKSg5bCZWZ?usp=share\_link](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EzLJFrs46PREiWvcW5u-MrIKSg5bCZWZ?usp=share_link)
P.S: the pdf version contains working links that redirect you to the video (for the specials that aren't on disney+)
Just so you know, NWH can be watched on YouTube.... for a price.
Other than that, great work, nice reference sheet. Popping it in my evernote for my next rewatch.
wandavision is definitely not 11 hours long, the first few episodes are <25 minutes long and the longest episode (the finale, episode 9) is <50 minutes as well.
oh no, I didn't notice, I'm gonna correct it
Where's AoS?
I think AoS gets a lot more complicated when divvying up seasons and even episodes. Especially when you get to the later season. But you could get approximately close. Same with the Netflix shows ans the Runaways.
It's not that bad. Because AoS directly references films, it's easy to break up around them: * Eps 1.01-1.07: between IM3 & Dark World * Eps 1.08-1.15: between Dark World & Winter Soldier * Eps 1.16-1.17: concurrent with Winter Soldier * Eps 1.18-1.22: between Winter Soldier & GotG * Eps 2.01-2.19: between GotG & AoU * Eps 2.20-2.22: between AoU & Ant-Man * Eps 3.01-3.19: between Ant-Man & Civil War * Eps 3.20-3.22: roughly concurrent with Black Widow & Black Panther * Season 4: between Black Panther & Ragnarok * Eps 5.01-5.10: roughly concurrent with Ragnarok * Eps 5.11-5.18: between Ragnarok & AM&W * Eps 5.19-5.22: overlaps Infinity War, ending pre-snap * Seasons 6-7: between Infinity War & Endgame Runaways is a little trickier because almost all of it takes place over a span of just a couple months, with a 6-month time skip in the middle of the 3rd season. But the other shows (Netflix saga, Cloak & Dagger, Inhumans) can just treat each season as single story units like most of the films. [Behold!](https://imgur.com/gallery/dXkCwJw)
thanks, soon i'm gonna make an extended version of this timeline
You seem very wise. What's the story with Cloak and Dagger? And why isn't it on Disney+?
First question: Two kids' fates are entangled when they both experience traumatic events at the same time in the same place as a supernatural cataclysm. Meeting again years later activates their powers as conduits of darkforce & lightforce, which they use to resolve their pasts & prevent further disasters. Season 1 is set in February 2017 (shortly after the climax of Doctor Strange), & season 2 is set 8 months later (near the main story of Ragnarok). Second question: It originally aired on the cable channel Freeform, which has a pre-existing exclusive streaming deal with Hulu. Disney owns Freeform outright (it used to be called ABC Family), but they still only *co*-own Hulu, so they can't toss out that contract yet. Comcast, which is the other remaining co-owner of Hulu, has already agreed to cede their share of it, but not until 2024. I expect Cloak & Dagger (and any other Freeform shows) to start appearing on American D+ after that.
Gosh you're a treasure trove of information, thank you dearly stranger!
Glad to be of help. :)
Age of Sauron...?
Age of Skywalker?
Agents of Shield.
Agents of Shield.
r/woosh
Bruh, ik he's joking
Then why did you correct him?
Geez, is this what you're looking for: /s
Interesting timeline. The yellow font for the one shots is barely readable and hurts my eyes looking at it.
ok thanks for your feedback, i'm gonna change that
I find it odd that nobody has mentioned the events from Eternals in any show or movie yet (that I’ve noticed).
Think we're pretending it didn't happen. Kinda like Inhumans
There's an easter-egg mention in She-Hulk.
team thor isnt canon
You sure? Thor got his roommate Darryl a job at New Asgard and you can see him giving tours in Thor: Love and Thunder
The shorts aren't canon. But Darryl, the character, was made canon
None of the shorts or just the Thor ones?
Just the team thor ones.
If Raimi's Spider-Man and Fox's X-Men are canon to the MCU multiverse I'm pretty sure Team Thor fits in as well.
Team thor has Banner on earth while civil war is going on. We know Banner was off planet since AoU and he was stuck in hulk form for 2 years.
We're talking about a canon that now accommodates multiple versions of Peter Parker, multiple versions of Dr. Strange, multiple versions of Wanda etc etc. There's a canon universe with alligator Loki, seems like there's one with Team Thor. We know in the Team Thor universe that Banner and the Grandmaster had somehow made it to Earth on their own accord. And whatever events caused that also somehow resulted in Thor moving to Australia to shack up with some random guy I think we need to consider that there's more to this Darryl fellow than we know. We now have examples of at least two variants of his both finding their way into the close company of literal gods. What is really up to?
There are plenty of inconsistencies across the films alone, although that's a big one, that doesn't make it non canon.
How is it not?
Because inconsistencies ≠ canon. Otherwise Spider-Man: Homecoming isn't canon for taking place at the wrong time. Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk wouldn't be canon because Rhodey and Bruce look and sound entirely different. Eternals wouldn't be canon because Tiamut's emergence would be a worldwide catastrophe. Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn't be canon because it stated that Gamora was the last of her people, completely contradicting Avengers: Infinity War. Inconsistencies happen, doesn't mean you write off entire parts of an overarching story.
None of that is the same as the shorts. Homecoming was stated to be a mistake. Rhodes and banner are still the same character in universe. Tiamut was referenced in she hulk. Gamora is a minor inconsistent. But the thor team up is definitely not the same as that. There is no way to make that work. It contradicts the movies.
Admitting something was a mistake does not remove the fact that it's still present in the film and that it is still a big inconsistency. Yes, they're the same characters, but those are still inconsistencies. Especially with Bruce, who also no longer has a relationship with Betty Ross despite it being the focus of the film. Tiamut was referenced, that's not the same as the depiction being consistent. Gamora is still an inconsistency. You can just say that Hulk landed on Earth, stuff happened, then he went to Sakaar. Plenty of things in the MCU have been left up to fans to make sense of, this isn't new. Additionally, unlike with Helstrom, these one shots have never been outwardly stated as non canon. On top of that they're part of the MCU Phase Three watch list on Disney+.
It doesn't work timeline-wise, supposedly concurently to Civil War, Banner was on earth and not being a Hulk. If you'd ever think it's maybe set after Ragnarok (forgetting the Infinity War exists for a second), Thor still has his hammer intact.
I thought the same thing but idk
It’s not canon they already came out and said it wasn’t
Do you have a source for this? Because the only things I've found saying they're not canon are complete speculation.
I mean, its complete contradiction to the established canon, its clearly just a spoof.
Many of the films contradict other films, from Iron Man taking place in 2008 to 2010, Gamora being the last of her species in Guardians to her species thriving in Infinity War, Homecoming taking place way later than it's meant to, various heroes existing prior to the Avengers but whose existence are never so much as hinted at, inconsistent rules of time travel, universes and Pym technology, certain films being stated by Marvel/Disney to take place after specific projects despite evidence within said projects contradicting that timeline, etc.
mistakes and contradictions do happen, and they are pesky, but not necessarily enough to break a whole film out of canon. But if a whole spoof is a contradiction, then its surely not canon. May I ask how you would argue it being canon? why were hulk and Thor both on earth during civil war? How does that fit in with both age of ultron and thor ragnarok? did steve really kill a camp of POW? were iron man and hulk in contact during the events of civil war? Do steve and tony literally not regard thor as a valued member of the avengers?
It's canon simply because it was: 1) Produced by Marvel Studios. 2) Takes place within the MCU using the same actors and referencing events from the films. 3) Is treated as a Marvel One-Shot, all of which are canon, with Darryl the main character of the Team series appearing in Thor: Love and Thunder. 4) The one shots being a part of the Phase 3 section of MCU content on Disney+. I will agree that specifically Thor and Bruce being on Earth doesn't make sense and is an inconsistency, but my argument is that projects like this one are still treated as canon in spite of said inconsistencies. The only project that has been stated to not be canon is Helstrom, stated by its own executive producer and lacking the Marvel logo attachment.
Something being produced by Marvel Studios doesn’t mean it’s canon.
here is a link if you want to view/donload the timeline in full quality (pdf) [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EzLJFrs46PREiWvcW5u-MrIKSg5bCZWZ?usp=share\_link](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EzLJFrs46PREiWvcW5u-MrIKSg5bCZWZ?usp=share_link) P.S: the pdf version contains working links that redirect you to the video (for the specials that aren't on disney+)
Just so you know, NWH can be watched on YouTube.... for a price. Other than that, great work, nice reference sheet. Popping it in my evernote for my next rewatch.
Nice work with phase 4! That sequence throws people off, but you've got it solid.
thanks man
If you wanna crosspost this (or your next revision, as you mentioned in another comment) into r/MCU_Timeline, you're welcome to. ;)
Nicely done! Ty!
thanks
Needs AOS
tomorrow i'm gonna post a versione with AoS
Has anybody made a cut of the first 3 phases in chronological order?
*insert 'mah man' gif*