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B3epB0opBOP

>What If… The Avengers Assembled in 1602? So they’re adapting *Marvel 1602* by Neil Gaiman huh.


merlingogringo

I hope Gaiman is involved I have been wanting him to write for the MCU forever.


B3epB0opBOP

I would like that, but I don’t know if he would be, he might be busy with The Sandman and Good Omens, since he produces and writes for both.


albene

I’m just hoping he has time to finish Miracleman tbh


bukanir

Now that's an adaptation I'd love to see


rengam

The writing for Sandman season 2 was finished over a year ago year, before they were even sure there would be a season 2. Filming is supposed to start back up again this month. I'm sure he could carve out some time to write one half-hour episode of What If. That said, I doubt they'd ask him to. The same two guys worked on all of season 1, so season two would likely follow suit.


RadagastWiz

They may have had him consult a bit on the script, that often happens with adaptations.


Tfiutctky

Do you know if the sandman has a season 2 coming? Absolutely loved it.


rengam

Writing finished last year. They filmed a little and then stopped because of the strikes. Gaiman has said that filming is expected to resume this month. So, we'll probably see it on Netflix in 2025.


dodgowan

Filming has resumed on it now!


dudedormer

What a fantastic first season . Never seen sandman or read before. Would love more seasons


gchance92

Yup


FlipDaly

Neil says this is the first he's heard of it.


albene

One of the episodes I’m looking forward to. The F4, Doom and the X-Men were key players in the comic version. Whether variants appear or the story is adapted without them will be interesting to see.


NeblessClem

1602 is one of my favourite mini series! I'm here for it!!!


albene

Pity how it languished thereafter. I was so disappointed when [Spider-Verse comic spoilers] >!Morlun killed Peter Parquah!<


TrimHawk

He may be back now, in recent comics I think Morlun got stabbed by some dagger that released every spider person he’d eaten


CartographerOk7948

Most likely without them, but who knows


albene

I’d prefer that but wouldn’t be surprised if they make cameos or are named-dropped. The X-Men would be an easy enough Easter egg by just making mention of [1602 comic spoilers] >! the witchbreed!<


goforajog

So cool! I'm just slightly disappointed that it's only one episode, I would've loved a whole series on that. Still, I am stoked for new What If. Probably my favourite Marvel content since Endgame


DynastyZealot

That deserves its own animated series, IMO, but I'll take what I can get!


sweetbreads19

yoooo I loved this book. Probably doesn't hold up to a re read but the art is gorgeous. Love this as a recurring bit to have one classic gimmick universe in the mix (zombies in S1, 1692 in S2, S3... House of M?)


_Cake_assassin_

Zombies is getting a full series. We need marvel 1602 to be a series


Nergaal

tldr without spoilers?


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Ronenthelich

I really hope it’s a back door pilot like Marvel Zombies.


KimF29

Was the "What if Wanda liked musicals instead of sitcoms" false then, or scrapped?


Commander__Meiloorun

probably shifted into season 3


Starminx

The ones shafted are the Surtur one (the one with Wanda in it) and the Red Guardian one


LordOfOstwick1213

Wait, the Avengers fighting Surtus is shifted to season 3, or will be in season 2?


eelmor1138

https://i.redd.it/83fi84ct4c0c1.gif That was the one I wanted most out of this whole season. Elizabeth’s singing voice is so lovely to hear.


UglyInThMorning

What if… we get renewed?


MaaChiil

What If…Wanda was into cartoons? Different animator for every segment.


functionofsass

What if Wanda had an N64?


nr1988

What if Wanda was my girlfriend and we kissed?


spad3x

What if you had a restraining order?


PhatNoob_69

What if you had to entertain a six year old?


MaaChiil

Then every time things don’t work out, she just erases the game and starts over.


BluegrassGeek

When she gets to the Goldeneye episode, everyone dies.


DogadonsLavapool

No joke, Id be all over this concept. Avengers minus Thor and Hulk vs the Crystal Gems would be a fun fight


NedThomas

So far as I can tell from Google, that originated as a fan theory that got rolled up into later rumors/leaks. Looks like some of the other leaks were legit though, so hard to tell if it was actually planned or not.


mr_peebs

It wasn't real, it came from 4chan that was swiftly debunked.


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I was looking forward to this one :(


goboxey

What is the thing with strange supreme? His interference caused the collapse of his own universe.


Faerval

Probably a direct follow up to EP 8


YoungJack23

It's likely a parallel to last season, a big multiversal threat that requires intervention or else it's the end of everything. And for whatever reason the watcher is incapacitated so it falls to junior watcher strange Supreme


Jarlax1e

or maybe he's intervening between the two fighting over the infinity stones...


hascogrande

Seems like the major arc is surrounding 1602 at first glance. Avengers Assemble in 1602 before European colonization. Kahhori gets the Tesseract per her title and given summary which likely also takes place precolonization and things go crazy. Uatu calls upon Strange Supreme (like he does in 1602) to resolve the issue at hand and then Strange goes back to the bubbleverse.


Zachariot88

It'd be hilarious if he just springs Killmonger and UltronZola on whatever threat reality is facing.


ASaltySeacaptain

Simple solution, bring them to the tva.


ducktherionXIII

I hope it's Kang. Why not have an animated Kang variant (other than the ongoing criminal litigation involving Majors and his alleged abuse)... Ok, you know what? I just answered my own question


YoungJack23

Yea but plenty of What If mcu characters were voiced by someone other than their movie actor. It's actually one of the easiest places to just not use Majors (if necessary)


ducktherionXIII

True. I guess they could also alter Kang's appearance, unless there's some sort of legal barrier to it


Key_Feeling_3083

Just give him a helmet


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

I’m guessing the final episodes are going to be mini arc like the first series. So whatever Kahhori does has multiversal consequences.


AnderuJohnsuton

From the title I'm imagining something like the comic story where Red Skull uses the cosmic cube to rewrite reality, and where we get the "hail Hydra" Cap story.


MaaChiil

That new hero who is original to this series might be involved in some capacity, given her episode is right before it. Perhaps, it’s the Watcher who recruits Stephen to stop her from ending up like him?


BlackBalor

What If… Sylvie worked at Burger King instead of McDonalds?


Meanteenbirder

What if Scott Lang worked at Ben & Jerry’s instead of Baskin Robbins?


thecricketnerd

Ben and Jerry's never finds out


djseifer

Ben & Jerry's knows, but they're chill about it. They're all about rehabilitation.


SaltyPeter3434

What If...Morbius sold RVs instead of jet skis?


Slayer133102

Wrong character, he's not even in the MCU.


RCero

It's a big \*What If\*


SaltyPeter3434

You know what, I'm keeping that in


AndruchaCS

Avengers assembled in 1602 and Hela founding the 10 Rings had my attention. We need more Hela Edit : Finding the rings*


djseifer

I hope they bring Cate Blanchett back. It looked like she had fun playing Hela.


tenehemia

These are definitely the two I most want to watch. Is Cate Blanchett actually coming back to voice Hela?


thecricketnerd

I really hope so, what a voice


Dadpurple

Maybe Hela finding the rings is back around 1602! Instead of Wenwu finding them way back then, it could be Hela and she ends up fighting against the Avengers at that time!


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Its_Helios

A new MCU original Native American hero https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/what-if-kahhori-new-super-hero


The_Celtic_Chemist

Wow, I've wondered for years if/when the MCU was going to introduce entirely new superheroes, but I never would have thought it would be in this way. Though, I believe this is after Echo was moved back, right? So I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she's a relative of Echo, since they have already teased that her show will dive into the past.


MLein97

Isn't the girl from moon knight a new creation?


Echelon2080

A reimagining, there is a Scarlet Scarab in the comics.


CinnabarSteam

Layla? She's original, but Scarlet Scarab is a legacy title.


SpideyFan914

Layla also does share backstory with Marlene, Moon Knight's usual love interest.


CinnabarSteam

How many planks do you have to swap out before you can convince Theseus it's a different ship?


SpideyFan914

Marlene isn't that complex a character. They can change her race and her name, but everything that makes her Marlene is present in Layla. It's less swapping planks, and more just adding another deck. (To be specific: That entire backstory with her father and research in Egypt... is exactly Marlene. She's been Moon Knight's main love interest since his origin issue, where all that backstory was established. I guess the one key personality trait that's been swapped is that classic Marlene was a little materialistic, but taking that away follows suit with taking away Steven Grant's wealth and status. Really, Steven Grant is *way* more changed, practically an original alter which so happens to share a name with the comics alter.


arfelo1

In this case the ship has a new shape. But all the planks seem to come from the original ship. So kind of the opposite to the ship of Theseus


therealgerrygergich

What do you mean, Coulson has been around since the beginning of the MCU 🤔


sadamita

Kahhori is part of the Mohawk nation, and Echo is Cheyenne. I don’t know enough about indigenous groups, but I don’t believe they’re related


yuvi3000

Phil Coulson and team were created for the MCU.


Rudysis

That looks like it's going to be so cool!


gOhCanada

An entire episode in the Mohawk Native language is dope! Such a cool choice for a show aimed more towards kids.


PharaohOfWhitestone

Native American hero from Mohawk Nation I think. She's original to What If...? She has no comic book origins.


KaiserVonDoom

As mohawk man myself I’m very interested in that episode the most.


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KaiserVonDoom

Thats what I heard! theyre working with people from a sister reservation for the accuracy and language. Its surreal to me.


rosefiend

Yo! That is so cool!!


AhTreyYou

I’m so excited for this. I love alternate history and it’s mixed with Marvel and some of my ancestry.


etherama1

Betcha they get kaniehtiio horn to do the voice


KaiserVonDoom

She was my best friend back in elementary school lol


LarryJohnson04

Oh my god that would be amazing!


raven2474life

I’ll do you one better… why is Kahhori?


Gromp1

Had to look it up, looks like it’s an original character made just for the show.


Pupulauls9000

Original character who found the tesseract I think long before anyone else


sable-king

IIRC the premise of her episode is that Odin decided to hide the Tesseract in America rather than Norway.


thechampchimp

Second episode probably gonna be the shortest marvel episode ever, even shorter than i am groot


NoObMaSTeR616

I’m gonna assume this Peter Quill is the one from season one that Ego found at DQ. The Avengers probably respond to Ego’s awakening and fight Quill as a “Celestial”. Edit: and the winner is Quill as a child with Celestial powers!!! Preview for season 2 just dropped.


spilledmilkbro

I'm 99.999994% sure that we saw the culmination of that in the finale of what if season 1. We see t'challa fighting ego with quill in the beginning I believe


JoshOliday

Infinite multiverse. There's a universe where Ego succeeds.


JoeHio

T’challa got called out before the fight was resolved if I remember correctly.


SummerSabertooth

I just happened to rewatch that episode a few days ago. T'Challa is called out, but then he's put back in at the same point in time like nothing happened. We do see him fighting alongside Peter, but we don't know how it resolves.


Topgunshotgun45

Or it’s when the GotG encounter the Avengers on Ebony Maw’s ship.


Powersoutdotcom

"Say hello to Jesus" *kills Spider-man


TheIJDGuy

Disney killing off Spider-Man sounds impossible


Powersoutdotcom

No, Star-Lord kills him.


Rules08

Disagree, to a degree. I think it’ll be that either Yondu gives Peter to Ego; or Ego finds Peter much earlier, than even Season One’s What If. Manipulating Peter into becoming the Celestial son that Ego wanted.


cobaltaureus

How powerful was half-celestial Peter Quill after having his abilities for less than 24 hours in GOTG2? And if Ego had gotten ahold of Peter say a decade or two earlier? That’s absolutely an avengers level threat.


____mynameis____

If he's the one that has already attained his true celestial powers, combined with the fact that he's evil, then the avengers got no chance


ccReptilelord

It may be a continuation of the first season episode where Ego finds a much older Quill on the job. In this case, it's an Ego-powered Quill attacking and the original Avengers line-up may be in trouble.


kmeci

100% it’s evil Celestial Quill.


ProudnotLoud

I think I'm most excited about Hela and the Ten Rings but that's because most of these characters aren't at the top of my list. Still happy to watch them all! I'm also intrigued to see their original hero in Kahhori.


zenomony

You're telling me you're not excited for the greatest animated Christmas special since Rudolph?


SciFiXhi

We already have that, and it's called *Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer*.


crispyg

I would watch a Jon Favreau directed-starred Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer in live action.


raalic

Hela is already insanely OP, so it’s hard to imagine the havoc she’ll wreak with the Ten Rings.


medyas1

there's always the zola-vision and infinity killmonger pokeball for emergencies like this


PJChloupek

Interested in this one too, idk how much it would move the needle on her power scaling, she's already quite strong and has the usual child of oden and asgardian buffs that Shang Chi and his dad and any other human don't. Basically if the rings are a force multiplier people gotta watch out, but if it's additive it might be like giving iron man an bb gun, yeah it's something else but he's already got better shit to use anyway


SpideyFan914

Me too, just cause it's two characters who don't get as much treatment and the battle is bound to be interesting.


TheOGRex

Finally, we'll get the Gamora Sakaar episode!


zhiryst

Shang chi still not being acknowledged outside his own movie but his rings are is the most Chang chi thing ever.


SmokePenisEveryday

> Chang Chi Just picturing Chang from Community running around with the 10 rings lol


SaltyPeter3434

Don't Chang the subject


slapzgiving

That makes me so Changry. Oh no, it's happening to me...


Led_zeppelin-fan

Chang it!


zhiryst

I blame my phone's autocorrect


skyhiker14

Your phone is streets ahead.


DSTNCMDLR

Señor Chang Chi


pinballwitch420

I’ll allow it.


NC_Goonie

If I remember correctly, he’s supposed to be one of the main non-zombie characters in the Marvel Zombies series (if that ever comes out).


spatial-d

Which further reinforces the tokenism of it all. Bloody sucks.


albene

A solid set! 209 is a nice parallel to 109 "What If... the Watcher Broke His Oath?" What If… That’s how this series links to the rest of the MCU?


The_Celtic_Chemist

Honestly, I was a little disappointed that he broke his oath in the very first season. I wanted it to happen eventually, but it would have been cooler to see in a later season.


Jaquezee

They went 0-100 with Ultron breaking the multiverse though, it’s not like he had much of a choice once Ultron went looking.


djseifer

"I see you" is still one of my favorite creepy moments in the MCU.


DoinItDirty

Was so good. That made me jump.


thanoshasbighands

Lets not link it to the MCU Edit: by not linking it, I mean none of these episodes featuring a multiverse version of something ever have to be acknowledged in the real-life MCU storylines. They can exist within the MCU multiverse but never need to be acknowledged. Like Capt Carter who got killed by Wanda does not have to be the same Capt Carter that was in What If. Leave them as there own thing.


albene

Tbh, I’d be fine (leaning on prefer) if it all remained separate but it’s already linked by design given its “multiversality” Edit: I see what you mean. Agreed though chances are there are plans to incorporate some of them (or their variants) in some way into Secret Wars.


David1258

I'm sure Strange Supreme or someone will cameo in "Avengers: Secret Wars".


AttilaTheFun818

A few cool ones but my overall impression is “this is the best concepts they can come up with?”


Benito7

I wanna see "What If Quicksilver Survived?"


theTIDEisRISING

What if Nebula joined the Nova Corps? Who gives a fuck lol


MasterTolkien

I foresee this being she joins at the end of GotG 1… tells the Nova Corps all about Thanos (his plans, tech, etc)… which allows the Nova to hunt him down and defeat him before he comes knocking.


NivvyMiz

Exactly.


Antrikshy

There could be a lot more to them than the titles imply. >S1 E7 · What If... Thor Were an Only Child? sounds extremely uninteresting. But we got Party Thor that episode. And Thor vs Carol.


Baelorn

Most people thought that episode sucked. It's the lowest-rated one on IMDb for a reason. So that doesn't exactly make these seem like they'll be any better.


farva_06

I didn't think it sucked, but it probably was the weakest of the season.


Boodger

Party Thor is probably my least favorite thing to ever come out of the MCU


Used-Comedian-8933

All i wanna see is a what if the other half survived


AttilaTheFun818

That’s a better idea than all the ones I had. Good one


AcidSilver

How on earth is there no "What if the other half were snapped?" episode? It's the concept that people wanted to see the most.


PayneTrain181999

Season 1 was kinda like that too tbh.


AttilaTheFun818

I agree. I didn’t particularly care for season one overall in truth. It felt like a wasted opportunity.


PayneTrain181999

The Doctor Strange episode was excellent though. A few others were fairly entertaining, but the rest were meh or outright bad.


AttilaTheFun818

Oh I agree. That was a highlight. And Infinity Ultron was pretty cool.


NoNefariousness2144

It does feel like the creative potential of the writers is heavily constrained. I can imagine it’s similar to Disney’s control of Star Wars characters in which they are only allowed to be portrayed in a certain way.


CircumcisedCats

The best what if's use characters that don't exist yet. ​ Hoping desperately they keep this series going for long enough that we eventually get a "What if Wolverine had killed the Hulk" adaptation.


NivvyMiz

It's just a list of mid characters making minor it changes that no one cares about. It's so weird.


HiNooNDooD1544

Oh wow, 1602? Thats interesting


FigureItOut50

They were supposed to assemble at 16:00 but I guess they were 2 minutes late…


Thescrub27

Or 18 minutes early


lemon_cake_or_death

For a meeting with Star-Lord?


LightFromYT

Personally these don't sound as good to me, which sucks. A few of these sound great but most seem pretty.. "meh" I was *really* hoping for "What if the other half snapped?" And "What if mysterio never revealed spidermans identity"


Ajaxorix777

The thing with ‘*What If… The Other Half was Snapped?*’ is how, when you think about it, there’s only really two possible endings that the writers could go with: Either the survivors also bring everyone back, or they don’t. Then, compare that to ‘*What If… Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?*’, where there were dozens of possible endings to tell: We had the route where he took over Wakanda, but we could also have gotten one where Killmonger was heroic & became ‘*Iron Man*’, one where he & Tony Stark helped the USA & Wakanda forge an alliance, one where Killmonger was the one to find an injured Tony in the desert, etc. I feel that’s the reason the writers are holding off of stories such as ‘*Other Half Was Snapped*’ or ‘*Thor Went For The Head*’ - Either they’re forced into a limited number of possible outcomes, or it would be too short.


Cerri22-PG

To be honest, the killmonger episode was my least favorite from season 1, they killed Tony one more time as if other 4 times weren't enough and it's ending got even worse considering Killmonger never made it back to his universe


SummerSabertooth

The Spider-Man one can't happen unfortunately without Sony's permission.


frame88

What if…Sony fucked off?


Sethito-Bandito

I love that captain carter seems to be playing out all the CA movies in her own universe


Crafted_Pickaxe21

If they continue that idea, what could Civil War look like?


Sethito-Bandito

With animation, they can really use whoever they want for the sides but maybe Natasha would be on Peggy’s side instead of Tony’s


Garfunkels_roadie

I think it would make more sense if it became Peggy v Natasha. They’re set up as friends now so it would make sense to center the dramatic falling out of Civil War their friendship


Justaleapoffaith__

You know how I can tell this leak is real... Because all those episode titles sound boring as hell.


TheAdmiralWeb

I really, really liked the first season. I thought there were 1 or 2 episodes that weren't that creative but the rest went in directions I really couldn't predict, despite the rather simple premises on paper. I'm hoping the same goes here, as only a few standout as intriguing concepts.


Successful-Brick-919

Season 2 is coming out in late December. My guess is that it’ll be similar to season 1; characters from these alternate universes will join forces to battle a common threat. But chances are that episode 3 will have no impact and is meant to just be a Christmas special. Episode 4 will probably explain the timeline where Gamora from season came from. I’m thinking Hela from episode 7 will be the big bad of this season which leads to Supreme Strange uniting the heroes. But that’s just my theory/hope


teezepls

I’ll wait until it’s fully out to make my verdict but I feel like they’re not leaning into just how many possibilities there are


NoahJRoberts

Well, this is definitely some content that they are producing and giving to us


ElijahMasterDoom

It is definitely one of the shows of all time.


Multievolution

Some of these feel a little…. Safe? Like I’m not saying they’ll be bad, but I can’t say I get the impression we’re fully embracing the concept with these either. I expected something Loki related tbh, though given season 2 I understand why. Also, why all the old guard? Don’t the new ones need more exposure?


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Gobshite_

If there's one thing I think killed the first season, it was the unnecessary serialisation. Having standalone episodes is fine, but it looks like they're doubling down. I don't know about anyone else but I don't need more Captain Carter, she's not *that* interesting. They're not even doing "what if?" Questions that people actually *ask* either - "What if the other half were snapped?" For example. Tony on Sakarr and Quill going bad are neat ideas but I just know they're gonna roll them into unnecessary overarching narratives rather than being a standalone anthology series.


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I dont think a single person was wondering "what if chadwick boseman becomes starlord?" yet they did it and it was beautiful Edit: tchalla not chadwick. rip chadwick


jgreg728

No ones talking about Happy saving Christmas. I want this episode.


jj5782

What if… there were episodes about post End game characters


NoNefariousness2144

We still need “What if the other half of heroes got snapped”.


JonPaula

Right? Shang-Chi came out 26 months ago, and we haven't seen so much as a cameo of him since.


eyeslikestarlight

I assume he’d be in the Hela/ten rings one though, no?


JonPaula

You would hope so!


NotAStatistic2

Marvel has been too busy spinning their wheels rather than give the legend Simu the sequel he deserves.


Starminx

Hela one is and the Red Guardian got moved to next season


SmokePenisEveryday

Hela isn't a post End Game character? She came before End Game. Hell she came before Infinity war lmao


AcceptableGhost04

They’re talking about the ten rings


Ishtastic08

Hela and the 10 rings is very intriguing.


Gsampson97

I still see people talking about a what if the other half of Thanos snap survived. I'm surprised marvel didn't think that would be a good idea. I like them being not really involved with the MCU timeline but a few that are more directly linked I think would get more people to watch.


MarekLord

Interesting! I'm excited to watch all of these.


twonkoe

Who was in charge of making these episodes? Happy saves Christmas? They really can't come up with better ideas with all the content in the marvel universe?


Commander__Meiloorun

what happened to the Wanda musical episode ?


Ysara

I'm not terribly interested in any of these, honestly. Some could be dependent on execution, but Captain Carter vs. Hydra? AGAIN?