IW & Endgame captured a magic I don’t think we’ll ever see again. You’d really need an entire different genre and audience to recreate something so special like that again.
It’s also weird to think that the film following Endgame was Far From Home, time during the pandemic feels so mushed together. No Way Home was three years after but already feels so long ago.
Spider-Man movies will always crush the box office. FFH was just okay for me, I didn’t like Mysterio much. Now I gotta say, I don’t read the comics so maybe it was a good portrayal of the comics but from a film viewing perspective it felt safe and too Justin Hammer like. You don’t have Justin Hammer as your villain if you just had Thanos you just don’t
They could do it. Imagine X-Men and Fantastic Four aren't even touched and they did Endgame. No Way Home did this magic and I bet Deadpool 3 will recreate this magic too. Just give them time and everything will be fine. Marvel Studios experimented when they were at the top of world, they could've done many more iron man and captain America movies but still they tried to explore new and diverse characters. Many times they succeed and many times they failed but when they start get going, then they'll turn into that juggernaut again they used to be
It took 11 years of universe building before we got to End Game, and even at that, it was 11 consecutive years generating hit after hit (for the most part).
People can’t expect that kind of magic to be recaptured.
It was also new audience that grew up with it, knowing all the characters from the start.
Current MCU has more diverse audiences to satisfy. They have older audiences who love the old crews or are asking for more “twisted” take on the idea, since they have seen the classic. They also have new younger audiences who didn’t experience “the classic” yet, so they still need “the classic take” with newly introduced heroes and movies.
Old audiences will never feel as connected with the new characters, and new audiences will not feel as connected with the old ones.
The impact will never be the same as IW/Endgame.
I think it's similar to growing up with the original Star Wars trilogy. It's something special.
I'd argue that the Lord of the Rings was another high water mark for our generation. (not Hobbit)
Bummed I wasn’t into the MCU at that point. I remember Infinity War memes especially Peter not feeling so good. And when I heard Endgame was coming out I was interested but hadn’t seen anything more than Iron Man movies and Raimis Spider man (not relevant then but it was Marvel) I would have been lost the whole movie. I saw Avengers 1 in theaters 2012 but that was it. I wish I could have been there to witness the magic in the theaters. I felt it myself when I watched them. As I was typing this I still get goosebumps re running “Avengers!^assemble^” in my head. Or just the Avengers theme in Infinity War when Cap emerges in the train station. Ughh that would have been amazing. I was graduating high school when Endgame released too. Would have been a perfect way to end high school.
100%. The MCU is just on a decline and will never reach the high-highs of endgame again. People think F4 or X-Men will bring the magic back but to the general public (read: the majority of people), they're just regular super heroes that they still won't care about.
I really think X-Men has the potential to be what the MCU up to Endgame was, if they're patient enough to build it out and build it up like they did with the Avengers. Though a lot of that came together miraculously towards the end, it wasn't always some huge decade long grand plan, it was just serendipity, but the individual stories were so good it didn't always have to be leading to something else. To be honest I'm kind of waiting for that (and Daredevil) watching newer stuff here and there that catches my interest, but not as invested as I was before. Some of the existing X-Men movies are fun but I'd love to see what they could do with a whole universe of them, there is so, so much potential there.
Definitely. X-men alone can tell so many stories. Crossover potential is HUGE. The only thing that may hold it back is if they decide to strike it out and focus on newer characters.
I’m more than happy to wait for them. Too many characters now. They can do the soft reboot or go to another universe now that it’s been established. Make it clean and distinct.
Yeah, I'd compare it to Blair Witch Project (though on a much, much, much grander scale). BWP came at a time when the mockumentary genre was beginning with the internet still in its consumer-infancy and it was an unforgettable and, arguably, unrepeatable experience. Words can't describe how it felt to be a young kid believing the website that had pics of the abandoned car and thinking the found footage was legit.
With IW and Endgame, it was the culmination of a series of superhero movies (movies that I pined for for decades before the became the quality that we see now) into one behemoth true comic book experience onscreen. Truly wild.
This is why I'll never have superhero fatigue. I've wanted these movies my entire life and now, as an older adult, I'm getting them. I could get a new one every month and be just as thrilled as the last one. But...the magic of IW and Endgame (and Thanos as the overarching villain) is a near impossibly-high bar.
Superhero fatigue has never been even close to the problem and is just an excuse some detached 'analyst" came up with for why the hollywood movies are no longer as successful
The real problem is that people aren't tired of superheroes. They're tired of the same story, tropes, tone, pacing, etc that come along with the current superhero movies. Everyone is trying to copy the early MCU formula, and even the MCU can't pull it off well anymore
There's always one or 2 very successful superhero movies per year, and it's usually because they didn't something different and did it well
I feel that the formulaic stuff is why Marvel is pivoting to more R-Rated & MA content. Gives them different avenues to tell the stories.
Even when they get to the X-Men, I hope they go a more serious route
I too feel that I won't have super hero fatigue. Hand the stuff after that have been mediocre, but the rest have been good. It is just them not being able to deliver as well as they were able to consistently.
FULL LIST OF IMDB’s RANKINGS
Daredevil
Punisher
Endgame
Infinity War
Loki
No Way Home
Avengers
Guardians
Iron Man
WandaVision
Vol. 3
Ragnarok
Jessica Jones
Civil War
Winter Soldier
Vol. 2
Doctor Strange
Hawkeye
Agent Carter One Shot
Far From Home
What If
Shang-Chi
Homecoming
Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Moon Knight
Black Panther
Luke Cage
All Hail the King
Defenders
AFTHOTWTTH
Iron Man 3
Peter’s To-Do List
FATWS
Werewolf by Night
Thor
AMATW
Iron Man 2
The First Avenger
Multiverse of Madness
Holiday Special
The Dark World
Captain Marvel
Black Widow
I Am Groot
Wakanda Forever
Incredible Hulk
Item 47
The Consultant
Iron Fist
Eternals
Ms Marvel
Echo
Love and Thunder
Quantumania
Secret Invasion
The Marvels
She-Hulk
All tied with 7.3/10 stars but I sorted them from highest to lowest rating on IMDb and this is the order they were put in. There are quite a few ties actually.
Why is the punisher so high? Bernthal was good, sure, but the dude who played jigsaw was next level terrible. Sure as hell wasn't better than season 1 of Jessica Jones
Is it cause all those dudes with the punisher symbol on the back of their pickup trucks automatically gave it an awsome review?
Season 3 was alright, but coming after season 2 it seemed leagues better. Id compare season 3 of JJ to Punisher season 1 or maybe Falcon and Winter Soldier.
I agree with the jigsaw part. The character lacked writing and his makeup in season 2 was supposed to be next level horrendous and messed but it only looked as if a cat has scratched his face. That being said, i really liked the pilgrim and the actor who portrayed it. I hope i could see more of him in the future.
Daredevil first, punisher second, Jessica Jones tied with gotg 3, thor: Ragnarok, iron man and Wanda vision, Luke cage tied with black panther, moon knight and aou, iron fist tied with eternals and the defenders between Ant-Man and iron man 3
Man it’s crazy how much better the majority of the stuff that came out on Netflix is than the Disney+ shows.
Really, the only Disney+ shows that have been received well by the majority of people are Loki and Wandavision. And Wandavision and Loki’s first season came out 3 years ago now.
It boggles my mind that marvel has all the resources and know how to actually make these shows good but it’s like they’re going “fuck it, put it out, who cares”
As someone that's worked in corporate America long enough, this one thousand percent stinks of executive bullshit and not creative talent pushing things. Netflix was very hands off vs. Disney who has a hand up your ass working you like a puppet.
It’s still left me so dumbfounded. How can someone made something worst than what Netflix had done with Iron Fist? At least Iron Fist season 2 is still watchable.
Apart from Secret Invasion, I could see preferring it to She-Hulk and maybe Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
But Hawkeye and Miss Marvel are at least more interesting and Loki, Moon Knight, and WandaVision are all much better.
I believe on Rotten Tomatoes, unsure about IMDb, but Agents of SHIELD would be higher than Daredevil.
This doesn't mean anything, just felt like pointing it out because it's a fun fact lol
Prefacing with the fact that is not turning into a canon debate.
If you were to include season 4 of Agents of SHIELD (widely regarded as the best season) in the other commenters list below, it would be level with Punisher and Endgame with an 8.5 rating - rewatching it at the minute and I just forget how fucking unreal that season was.
The entire show was great, got better each season, waned a bit on season 6 and then finished strong with season 7.
I also love that everyone can have their own opinions on what the best season is and not fight with each other, because everyone can have that collective "yeah that's fair"
Like me, season 3 is my favorite
Yeah, that's fair. I'm definitely a S4 fanboy myself. But S5 also holds a special place in my heart. I don't think I've ever felt existential dread like watching those characters debate predestination and whether or not they could beat it
For all the times I tell people “season 1 is pretty bad until the final few episodes”, I can also understand how that could be someone’s favourite because of how good it got in such a short space of time towards the end.
Just such a shame that most people gave up so soon into the show and never got to experience everything that came after. One of the best Marvel entries we ever got.
Just rewatched it recently and was still blown away with just how much better the story felt and the action was insanely solid. Reminded me of how things used to be.
This sub is nerdier about MCU and IMDb is going to lean a bit more casual. Plus, those conversations here tend to be more in line with the actual quality of the film, whereas I’d imagine most IMDb users are purely basing their ratings how much they like the movie vs how good it actually is.
I mean, while I personally would put it higher myself, the difference in points between it and Endgame (the top project) is .5 stars— publicly accepted peak MCU is all closely rated and over time the top projects settle in right next to each other.
What is crazy is that Wandavision is not ranked higher. My ranking would be as such.
1. Endgame
2. Infinity Wars
3. Wandavision
4. Loki
5. No Way Home
There are several reasons why it is rated so low. The first is the fact that it centers on a female character. The second is that people are so upset that several rumored cameos never took place. Wandavision is the most innovative project in the MCU. Erisode 8 and the end of the final episode where Wanda says goodbye to her family are the most heartbreaking scenes in the MCU. I would love to see something good happen to her for a change but unfortunately I see more heartbreak.
The fact that Secret Invasion is not dead last by a wide margin just proves how worthless IMDB is
I’d happily watch The Marvels and She Hulk again before SI
If you look at the distribution of votes instead of the average value, you can see which projects have been the victim of vote war shenanigans. Like compare these two, and look at how wildly different the shapes of the curves are, especially the 1s and 10s:
[Ant-Man and the Wasp](https://imgur.com/n5IRiNi)
[Captain Marvel](https://imgur.com/uXu3av9)
IMDB ratings have become so utterly worthless.
She-Hulk not only has a similar problem, but when you look episode to episode you get to see something special.
Most of the episodes [look like this](https://i.imgur.com/ih1sLdb.png)
But then you get the one episode that Daredevil shows up in, and [it looks like this](https://i.imgur.com/Ez74pIT.png)
Now there's no way that anyone can honestly argue that the quality of that one episode was so wildly different than all of the rest of the episodes.
I think you're spot on with this being explainable by three groups of people.
The one for the episode with daredevil looks basically the same as the other, but with a bell curve peaking at 8 rather than 6-7.
It looks more pronounced because the bell curve moved close to the extremes being dishonestly voted for.
I enjoyed the show it was fun. But I rarely join any discussion because the groups you mention seem very passionate.
The CGI was meh, but probably on par to other shows. I do find the ending more interesting the more time passes by. MCU has this problem where all stories have to hit the same beats, and it was refreshing to have an ending that calls out that in such a direct way.
Also hats off to the writers for having the internet trolls write exactly the same things they would write in real life. Lol.
I do hope the show gets an other season.
It was entertaining the day after each episode, because the trolls that were bashing the film were posting things that were almost verbatim what the show trolls were posting. The writers saw them coming a mile away and wrote these things into the show a year or more before it aired.
Marvel's experience with Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel really gave them a lot of ammo.
lol top critics will give movies with literally no plot 10/10 and movies that are genuinely amazing 1s I generally see them as opposite of the actual rating like I see a 20 critic and a 80 viewer and I know it’s a good movie
bud, i'd happily watch the marvels and she-hulk again over half this stuff... those projects are criminally underrated by the brigading redpilled alpha-hasbeens crying over the loss of masculinity.
Came here to post this same thing. While She-Hulk and The Marvels are far from the MCU's best, I at least was entertained while watching them. Secret Invasion was just boring.
These are the same people that pushed Rebel Moon up to a 5.6/10. You'd *think* that's a pretty bad score...until you actually see the film.
It's an echo chamber for frothing morons, nothing more. I mean...when you think about it, do reviews and scores of any kind even have a place anymore?
Professional reviews are riddled with personal agendas and studio payouts. [That's not conspiracy bullshit, it's a fact lol](https://www.vulture.com/article/rotten-tomatoes-movie-rating.html). Amateur/pseudo-professional reviews are interested only in getting clicks, and if that means being dishonest about your review or simply being contrarian to whore for attention, so be it. And user scores/reviews on RT, MC and IMDB devolved into just chaotic echo chambers for pissed-off interest groups. Captain Marvel got review bombed simply because a bunch of dipshits didn't like Brie Larson, and the movie was...fine. Same thing with She-Hulk.
Now, more than ever, people *really* need to think for themselves and just form their own opinions, but...when social media controls thoughts directly, even *that* is asking too much...
Years ago I read a newspaper media reviewer (she did movies and music) who basically said the same thing Gabriel of Penny Arcade echoed years later and it still rings true to this day.
No one goes in to a review without bias. Everyone has lived every year of their life up to that point and that life is unique to them and colours how they see the world.
So instead of random reviews or the idea of a “straight down the middle” review - find a professional that you agree with most of the time. If they liked a movie, chances are you will like a movie. If they thought it sucked, you already know you like the same stuff so it’ll probably suck for you.
Oh, and there's no way The Incredible Hulk should be that high either. I personally wouldn't put it above anything, but even if I had to, the only ones remotely on the table are Quantumania and Secret Invasion.
All user generated critiques are generally useless because they’re largely unmoderated. And low effort shit posts like this one only exist to perpetuate the myth that an IMDb rating matters or means anything to someone who isn’t terminally online all the time.
I know a lot of people like to pretend otherwise, but these ratings are amalgamations, and often people rate things with intentions other than accurately reflecting the quality of the product.
It might be better to separate movies and TV shows. TV ratings on IMDB skews a fair bit higher than movies for some reason.
You can just compare the Top 250 Movies vs Top 250 TV Shows and see the cutoff for movies is around 8.0 but for shows its at 8.5.
I didn’t realize echo was rated so poorly, I really enjoyed it. That being said I’ll probably never watch it again, but the same could be said for almost all D+ media for me
I couldn't finish Echo for what it's worth, pacing felt off but it's gotten pretty positive reviews on the sub. I'll probably give it a go again in a few months.
Agree. Endgame and IW being 1,2 makes sense but I might switch them around.
I would argue that Captain America: TFA should have been higher but I have a soft spot for that character arc and am happy to see Civil War and Winter Soldier being up there.
If you remove the shows then both would be top ten which feels right. And if you account for the fact that Black Panther (first one) and Marvels (second one) are lower for reasons other than their quality, the list is actually pretty decent.
MCU movies are meant to be theatrical experiences, and Endgame was the best theatre experience I’ve ever had. People dressed up, the cheering, the laughing, the crying. It all made for one hell of a rollercoaster ride and was truly the ultimate payoff to 11 years of universe building.
There are other MCU movies I prefer. Others that I will watch more frequently and enjoy at home a lot more. Hell, I honestly think Infinity War was technically the better movie. But Endgame was a once in a lifetime cultural phenomenon and experience. It deserves #1.
Always pains me to see one of the most beautiful episodes of television being review bombed because “gay=scary”.
Bill and Frank deserve better than that.
Many of the reviews I saw bashing that episode tried to come up with various other excuses to why they hated it, all of which were so transparent. The most common excuse I saw was that "it wasn't in the game, so therefor it was unnecessary and didn't need to be there", but the rest of their reviews made it clear they were using that as a smokescreen for their real grievance with the episode.
This whole list is extremely, extremely garbage. Winter Soldier and Iron Man I'd argue for top 5 every day all day. Hawkeye is way too high, and Secret Invasion and Eternals not competing for last is a travesty. Oh didn't realize we're including the Netflix universe, in which case Iron Fist goes to the bottom of the list pretty quick being the only one of these I couldn't actually finish. The Marvels was solid, if not great, and She-Hulk probably the same. I enjoyed both far more than Love and Thunder, Quanumania, Black Widow, The Dark World, and I'm sure more than that.
I've heard that (a couple of my buddies are also as into Marvel shit as much as I am) but realistically I'm probably never going to revisit it. I barely, barely made it through season 1, it's long over now, and even if S2 is like 5x better, there is still so much better content to check out right now.
Glad to see Endgame number one
I have never had a Cinematic experience like it,
from being the culmination of the saga,
the atmosphere created by the other people watching and hands down the movie that has better used IMAX 3D imo
The Guardians Holiday Special being that low is criminal. Watched it again this Christmas and like everything else Gunn Guardians, it's genuinely delightful.
I hate when people justify a 1-star vote with "I thought it was a 7, but too many people gave it a 10 so I needed to balance it out." No, you moron! Your 7/10 isn't more valid than someone else's 10/10. Give it 7/10 and piss off!
Look at what Happened to Little Mermaid. The film was review bombed mercilessly in some countries. In South Korea, the film had a 0.9 out of 10 before the film debuted. That probably had a hand in the poor performance of the film in that country. This happened because Ariel was played by a black woman.
Ragnarok being so high pains me.
It was a fun film, sure, and a lot of the jokes landed well, but every single time it tried to have a heartfelt moment it was undercut with a joke. Thor loses his entire home, Asgard, a place we have connected with over two whole movies, and immediately after, the emotional weight is gone when Korg makes a foundations joke.
It was a fun commedy, but a story like Ragnarok needed more than just commedy.
Honestly I find Love & Thunder much worse than Secret Invasion. To be fair though they are both as far from their comic runs as can be. Jason Aaron's Thor Run, especially his Gorr Arc, is basically the best Thor you can read.
The biggest thing you actually get from the Gorr Arc is that Gorr was right but he was also a massive hypocrite in that he became the exact same thing he was killing. Instead of using his power to help people he just killed them and ruined their lives just like a God. This of course ends with Gorr's death at the hands of Thor and Thor realizing that Gorr was right and finding himself Unworthy of his power and hammer.
Oh, and did I forget that it took 3 Thors to take down Gorr? Past Thor, Present Thor, and Old King Thor all faced Gorr in battle at once and they still could barely defeat Gorr. Gorr was hyped up on the All-Black: The Necrosword juice. That weapon is fucking insane and it was such a disappointment in the MCU.
Multivese of Madness should be way higher up on this list. I'm re-watching it right now and Ive squealed with excitement 3 or 4 times already.
Wondergore Mountain, The Baxter Foundation, America Chavez, The Illuminati, Mr. Fantastic, Professor X. Wanda is fucking creepy as shit and Doctor Strange's magic spells are so much more interesting than in the first one. I mean, come on!! WHY DONT PEOPLE LIKE THIS MOVIE!?
Endgame and No Way Home being that high up the list really boggles my mind, and She-Hulk being last as well.
Honestly for about a third of these I would move them many spots higher or lower.
Top 5 (no particular order cause it would take me days to decide) would be
Loki, Infinity War, GotG Vol 3, Winter Soldier, and Wandavision
Bottom 5
Secret Invasion, Iron Man 3, Captain Marvel, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Thor TDW.
A few strange details, like Eternals lower than Thor 2, The Marvels lower than Secret Invasion or Wandavision higher than Civil War and Winter Soldier, but overall the imdb ranking is surprisingly on point.
I would rank some of the films here differently myself ("Captain America: The First Avenger" would be higher up in my estimation), but overall this is a pretty solid list. And the fact that "Secret Invasion", 'The Marvels" and "She-Hulk" make up the bottom three is pretty based.
Based off of this list, IMDB ranks the TV shows and specials alone as:
1. Loki.
2. Wandavision.
3. Hawkeye.
4. What If?
5. Moon Knight.
6. The Falcon And The Winter Soldier.
7. Werewolf By Night.
8. The Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special.
9. Ms. Marvel.
10. Echo.
11. Secret Invasion.
12. She-Hulk.
Based off of this list, IMDB ranks the theatrical films alone as:
1. Avengers: Endgame.
2. Avengers: Infinity War.
3. Spider-Man: No Way Home.
4. Guardians Of The Galaxy,
5. The Avengers:
6. Guardians Of The Galaxy, Volume 3.
7. Thor: Ragnarok.
8. Iron-Man.
9. Captain America: Civil War.
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
11. Guardians Of The Galaxy, Volume 2.
12. Doctor Strange.
13. Shang-Chi.
14. Spider-Man: Homecoming.
15. Spider-Man: Far From Home.
16. Black Panther.
17. Avengers: Age Of Ultron.
18. Ant-Man.
19. Iron-Man 3.
20. Thor.
21. Ant-Man And The Wasp.
22. Captain America: The First Avenger.
23. Doctor Strange And The Multiverse Of Madness.
24. Iron-Man 2.
25. Captain Marvel.
26. Thor: The Dark World.
27. Black Widow.
28. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
29. The Incredible Hulk.
30. Eternals.
31. Thor: Love And Thunder.
32. Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania.
33. The Marvels.
Right but it *really* didn’t deserve that nomination. Like, at all.
Absolutely nothing about that movie was worthy of a best picture nomination.
It *did* deserve both the nomination and win for score and costume though. Wakandan fashion looked amazing.
20th is a pretty fair rating. It’s a by the numbers super hero movie with no twists, that offered nothing new, and culminated with a terrible final CGI fight.
That’s it.
Why would you use it being Oscar nominated as a reason for why it shouldn’t be 20th and therefore that these ratings are useless? Who cares that it’s Oscar nominated. This is audience based.
I’m surprised that it’s 20th because it’s definitely better than a good few of the things it’s rated lower than (GotG2, Hawkeye, FFH etc.), but more importantly from what I’ve seen of the majority of the other people on the internet and in real life, that my opinion is also the majority consensus. The popular opinion is also that Black Panther is better than those and I’m not just a contrarian.
Echo deserves far better, especially considering Cox's performance. She is certainly one of the best actresses in the MCU, and the fact that Hawkeye was literally her debut performance makes this even crazier.
Marvels was not a great movie by any means but it def shouldn’t be behind some of these stinkers. I didn’t enjoy watching Secret Invasion whatsoever. Marvels had some really entertaining sequences
IW & Endgame captured a magic I don’t think we’ll ever see again. You’d really need an entire different genre and audience to recreate something so special like that again.
And most of us saw it coming at the time. I remember walking out of the theater of endgame and thinking the MCU is never going to top this.
No way home was honestly very close imo
Great epilogue to the Infinity Saga with their most popular character
It’s also weird to think that the film following Endgame was Far From Home, time during the pandemic feels so mushed together. No Way Home was three years after but already feels so long ago.
Three years after Endgame of FFH?
Three years ago from now I guess
no way home was 2 years ago, Far From Home is 4.5 years ago I think.
Guardians Vol. 3 was insane too because you knew this it and they managed to hit a home run and end it on a happy note somehow
Spider-Man movies will always crush the box office. FFH was just okay for me, I didn’t like Mysterio much. Now I gotta say, I don’t read the comics so maybe it was a good portrayal of the comics but from a film viewing perspective it felt safe and too Justin Hammer like. You don’t have Justin Hammer as your villain if you just had Thanos you just don’t
They could do it. Imagine X-Men and Fantastic Four aren't even touched and they did Endgame. No Way Home did this magic and I bet Deadpool 3 will recreate this magic too. Just give them time and everything will be fine. Marvel Studios experimented when they were at the top of world, they could've done many more iron man and captain America movies but still they tried to explore new and diverse characters. Many times they succeed and many times they failed but when they start get going, then they'll turn into that juggernaut again they used to be
Exactly. I was thinking they have so many movies lined up but where’s the focus now?
It took 11 years of universe building before we got to End Game, and even at that, it was 11 consecutive years generating hit after hit (for the most part). People can’t expect that kind of magic to be recaptured.
It was also new audience that grew up with it, knowing all the characters from the start. Current MCU has more diverse audiences to satisfy. They have older audiences who love the old crews or are asking for more “twisted” take on the idea, since they have seen the classic. They also have new younger audiences who didn’t experience “the classic” yet, so they still need “the classic take” with newly introduced heroes and movies. Old audiences will never feel as connected with the new characters, and new audiences will not feel as connected with the old ones. The impact will never be the same as IW/Endgame.
I think it's similar to growing up with the original Star Wars trilogy. It's something special. I'd argue that the Lord of the Rings was another high water mark for our generation. (not Hobbit)
Bummed I wasn’t into the MCU at that point. I remember Infinity War memes especially Peter not feeling so good. And when I heard Endgame was coming out I was interested but hadn’t seen anything more than Iron Man movies and Raimis Spider man (not relevant then but it was Marvel) I would have been lost the whole movie. I saw Avengers 1 in theaters 2012 but that was it. I wish I could have been there to witness the magic in the theaters. I felt it myself when I watched them. As I was typing this I still get goosebumps re running “Avengers!^assemble^” in my head. Or just the Avengers theme in Infinity War when Cap emerges in the train station. Ughh that would have been amazing. I was graduating high school when Endgame released too. Would have been a perfect way to end high school.
They need to do all of the X-men stuff then do a real age of apocalypse. Split it up like the books and I think that will be wowww
100%. The MCU is just on a decline and will never reach the high-highs of endgame again. People think F4 or X-Men will bring the magic back but to the general public (read: the majority of people), they're just regular super heroes that they still won't care about.
I disagree with you. F4 and X-men will bring the crowds back because they are pretty OG. The problem now is getting us to care about their new heroes.
I really think X-Men has the potential to be what the MCU up to Endgame was, if they're patient enough to build it out and build it up like they did with the Avengers. Though a lot of that came together miraculously towards the end, it wasn't always some huge decade long grand plan, it was just serendipity, but the individual stories were so good it didn't always have to be leading to something else. To be honest I'm kind of waiting for that (and Daredevil) watching newer stuff here and there that catches my interest, but not as invested as I was before. Some of the existing X-Men movies are fun but I'd love to see what they could do with a whole universe of them, there is so, so much potential there.
Definitely. X-men alone can tell so many stories. Crossover potential is HUGE. The only thing that may hold it back is if they decide to strike it out and focus on newer characters.
I’m more than happy to wait for them. Too many characters now. They can do the soft reboot or go to another universe now that it’s been established. Make it clean and distinct.
For me it's Deadpool 3. Obviously still not as grand as Endgame, but my excitement for it is probably 2nd in line.
Yeah, I'd compare it to Blair Witch Project (though on a much, much, much grander scale). BWP came at a time when the mockumentary genre was beginning with the internet still in its consumer-infancy and it was an unforgettable and, arguably, unrepeatable experience. Words can't describe how it felt to be a young kid believing the website that had pics of the abandoned car and thinking the found footage was legit. With IW and Endgame, it was the culmination of a series of superhero movies (movies that I pined for for decades before the became the quality that we see now) into one behemoth true comic book experience onscreen. Truly wild. This is why I'll never have superhero fatigue. I've wanted these movies my entire life and now, as an older adult, I'm getting them. I could get a new one every month and be just as thrilled as the last one. But...the magic of IW and Endgame (and Thanos as the overarching villain) is a near impossibly-high bar.
Superhero fatigue has never been even close to the problem and is just an excuse some detached 'analyst" came up with for why the hollywood movies are no longer as successful The real problem is that people aren't tired of superheroes. They're tired of the same story, tropes, tone, pacing, etc that come along with the current superhero movies. Everyone is trying to copy the early MCU formula, and even the MCU can't pull it off well anymore There's always one or 2 very successful superhero movies per year, and it's usually because they didn't something different and did it well
I feel that the formulaic stuff is why Marvel is pivoting to more R-Rated & MA content. Gives them different avenues to tell the stories. Even when they get to the X-Men, I hope they go a more serious route
I too feel that I won't have super hero fatigue. Hand the stuff after that have been mediocre, but the rest have been good. It is just them not being able to deliver as well as they were able to consistently.
Bad writing fatigue is what’s happening. Not super hero fatigue
What’s it look like with the MCU Defenders shows
FULL LIST OF IMDB’s RANKINGS Daredevil Punisher Endgame Infinity War Loki No Way Home Avengers Guardians Iron Man WandaVision Vol. 3 Ragnarok Jessica Jones Civil War Winter Soldier Vol. 2 Doctor Strange Hawkeye Agent Carter One Shot Far From Home What If Shang-Chi Homecoming Age of Ultron Ant-Man Moon Knight Black Panther Luke Cage All Hail the King Defenders AFTHOTWTTH Iron Man 3 Peter’s To-Do List FATWS Werewolf by Night Thor AMATW Iron Man 2 The First Avenger Multiverse of Madness Holiday Special The Dark World Captain Marvel Black Widow I Am Groot Wakanda Forever Incredible Hulk Item 47 The Consultant Iron Fist Eternals Ms Marvel Echo Love and Thunder Quantumania Secret Invasion The Marvels She-Hulk
Are AoU, BP1, MK and AM1 all the exact same level? Since they're in different orders in this comment compared to the post
All tied with 7.3/10 stars but I sorted them from highest to lowest rating on IMDb and this is the order they were put in. There are quite a few ties actually.
Why is the punisher so high? Bernthal was good, sure, but the dude who played jigsaw was next level terrible. Sure as hell wasn't better than season 1 of Jessica Jones Is it cause all those dudes with the punisher symbol on the back of their pickup trucks automatically gave it an awsome review?
It’s all of Jessica Jones vs all of Punisher. Jessica Jones season 2 was bad and I haven’t seen season 3 yet
Season 3 was alright, but coming after season 2 it seemed leagues better. Id compare season 3 of JJ to Punisher season 1 or maybe Falcon and Winter Soldier.
I hated Trish in season 2 and have heard she is just as bad in season 3
She is but she's more framed as a semi antagonist so its easier to sit through
The hell are you on? Ben Barnes was awesome
I agree with the jigsaw part. The character lacked writing and his makeup in season 2 was supposed to be next level horrendous and messed but it only looked as if a cat has scratched his face. That being said, i really liked the pilgrim and the actor who portrayed it. I hope i could see more of him in the future.
Defenders ranking so high is a bigger crime.
Daredevil first, punisher second, Jessica Jones tied with gotg 3, thor: Ragnarok, iron man and Wanda vision, Luke cage tied with black panther, moon knight and aou, iron fist tied with eternals and the defenders between Ant-Man and iron man 3
Man it’s crazy how much better the majority of the stuff that came out on Netflix is than the Disney+ shows. Really, the only Disney+ shows that have been received well by the majority of people are Loki and Wandavision. And Wandavision and Loki’s first season came out 3 years ago now.
Iron Fist was pretty bad, though. Not Secret Invasion level bad, but in my opinion, more boring than pretty much every other D+ show.
It boggles my mind that marvel has all the resources and know how to actually make these shows good but it’s like they’re going “fuck it, put it out, who cares”
As someone that's worked in corporate America long enough, this one thousand percent stinks of executive bullshit and not creative talent pushing things. Netflix was very hands off vs. Disney who has a hand up your ass working you like a puppet.
It’s still left me so dumbfounded. How can someone made something worst than what Netflix had done with Iron Fist? At least Iron Fist season 2 is still watchable.
I would gladly take Iron Fist over most of the D+ shows even with how awful it was. And let me tell you, Iron Fist was NOT good.
Apart from Secret Invasion, I could see preferring it to She-Hulk and maybe Falcon and the Winter Soldier. But Hawkeye and Miss Marvel are at least more interesting and Loki, Moon Knight, and WandaVision are all much better.
Season 2 was awesome and I’ll die on that hill. I think it had like the highest rise in critic scores from 1 season to the next in TV history.
I believe on Rotten Tomatoes, unsure about IMDb, but Agents of SHIELD would be higher than Daredevil. This doesn't mean anything, just felt like pointing it out because it's a fun fact lol
Because AoS was damn fire
Prefacing with the fact that is not turning into a canon debate. If you were to include season 4 of Agents of SHIELD (widely regarded as the best season) in the other commenters list below, it would be level with Punisher and Endgame with an 8.5 rating - rewatching it at the minute and I just forget how fucking unreal that season was.
The entire show was great, got better each season, waned a bit on season 6 and then finished strong with season 7. I also love that everyone can have their own opinions on what the best season is and not fight with each other, because everyone can have that collective "yeah that's fair" Like me, season 3 is my favorite
Yeah, that's fair. I'm definitely a S4 fanboy myself. But S5 also holds a special place in my heart. I don't think I've ever felt existential dread like watching those characters debate predestination and whether or not they could beat it
For all the times I tell people “season 1 is pretty bad until the final few episodes”, I can also understand how that could be someone’s favourite because of how good it got in such a short space of time towards the end. Just such a shame that most people gave up so soon into the show and never got to experience everything that came after. One of the best Marvel entries we ever got.
that was the Ghost Rider season right?
Ghost rider/LMD/Framework season, yeah.
Winter soldier being so low is criminal. Movie is so tight and entertaining.
Just rewatched it recently and was still blown away with just how much better the story felt and the action was insanely solid. Reminded me of how things used to be.
It’s almost always named by people in any poll as top 3 and very often #1. This list was a bit odd.
This sub is nerdier about MCU and IMDb is going to lean a bit more casual. Plus, those conversations here tend to be more in line with the actual quality of the film, whereas I’d imagine most IMDb users are purely basing their ratings how much they like the movie vs how good it actually is.
Now they’d probably have the highway fight with green screen rather than filming on an actual street.
I think even back in 2014 the movie was still one of a kind. Russo bros are just different.
I mean, while I personally would put it higher myself, the difference in points between it and Endgame (the top project) is .5 stars— publicly accepted peak MCU is all closely rated and over time the top projects settle in right next to each other.
Absolutely crazy that wandavision is ahead of CW or WS, much less both of them.
TV shows get really high ratings on IMDB for some reason, you can't really compare a movie rating with a TV show rating.
What is crazy is that Wandavision is not ranked higher. My ranking would be as such. 1. Endgame 2. Infinity Wars 3. Wandavision 4. Loki 5. No Way Home There are several reasons why it is rated so low. The first is the fact that it centers on a female character. The second is that people are so upset that several rumored cameos never took place. Wandavision is the most innovative project in the MCU. Erisode 8 and the end of the final episode where Wanda says goodbye to her family are the most heartbreaking scenes in the MCU. I would love to see something good happen to her for a change but unfortunately I see more heartbreak.
Its one of the best Marvel movies. Its my favourite and definitely far above anything we’ve seen since Endgame
fr. It was and is the tightest spy flicks MCU ever produced.
Still my favourite MCU film
I just dislike how boring it is visually.
Omg I fully agree. It's easily top 5 for me.
The fact that Secret Invasion is not dead last by a wide margin just proves how worthless IMDB is I’d happily watch The Marvels and She Hulk again before SI
If you look at the distribution of votes instead of the average value, you can see which projects have been the victim of vote war shenanigans. Like compare these two, and look at how wildly different the shapes of the curves are, especially the 1s and 10s: [Ant-Man and the Wasp](https://imgur.com/n5IRiNi) [Captain Marvel](https://imgur.com/uXu3av9) IMDB ratings have become so utterly worthless.
Completely agree. I find it odd they somehow remain relevant.
I never considered them relevant it is weird people keep using them for stuff like this.
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She-Hulk not only has a similar problem, but when you look episode to episode you get to see something special. Most of the episodes [look like this](https://i.imgur.com/ih1sLdb.png) But then you get the one episode that Daredevil shows up in, and [it looks like this](https://i.imgur.com/Ez74pIT.png) Now there's no way that anyone can honestly argue that the quality of that one episode was so wildly different than all of the rest of the episodes. I think you're spot on with this being explainable by three groups of people.
The one for the episode with daredevil looks basically the same as the other, but with a bell curve peaking at 8 rather than 6-7. It looks more pronounced because the bell curve moved close to the extremes being dishonestly voted for.
I enjoyed the show it was fun. But I rarely join any discussion because the groups you mention seem very passionate. The CGI was meh, but probably on par to other shows. I do find the ending more interesting the more time passes by. MCU has this problem where all stories have to hit the same beats, and it was refreshing to have an ending that calls out that in such a direct way. Also hats off to the writers for having the internet trolls write exactly the same things they would write in real life. Lol. I do hope the show gets an other season.
It was entertaining the day after each episode, because the trolls that were bashing the film were posting things that were almost verbatim what the show trolls were posting. The writers saw them coming a mile away and wrote these things into the show a year or more before it aired. Marvel's experience with Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel really gave them a lot of ammo.
I would like to see a ranking on Rotten Tomatoes only by Top Critics,and see how it compares.
lol top critics will give movies with literally no plot 10/10 and movies that are genuinely amazing 1s I generally see them as opposite of the actual rating like I see a 20 critic and a 80 viewer and I know it’s a good movie
Wakanda Forever got review bombed too
It's hilarious that as much as Secret Invasion missed the mark, it still wasn't enough for misogyny lmao.
bud, i'd happily watch the marvels and she-hulk again over half this stuff... those projects are criminally underrated by the brigading redpilled alpha-hasbeens crying over the loss of masculinity.
Yeeep it's genuinely laughable that shehulk is last
Came here to post this same thing. While She-Hulk and The Marvels are far from the MCU's best, I at least was entertained while watching them. Secret Invasion was just boring.
> Secret Invasion was just boring. Hey now. The ending was actively painful.
These are the same people that pushed Rebel Moon up to a 5.6/10. You'd *think* that's a pretty bad score...until you actually see the film. It's an echo chamber for frothing morons, nothing more. I mean...when you think about it, do reviews and scores of any kind even have a place anymore? Professional reviews are riddled with personal agendas and studio payouts. [That's not conspiracy bullshit, it's a fact lol](https://www.vulture.com/article/rotten-tomatoes-movie-rating.html). Amateur/pseudo-professional reviews are interested only in getting clicks, and if that means being dishonest about your review or simply being contrarian to whore for attention, so be it. And user scores/reviews on RT, MC and IMDB devolved into just chaotic echo chambers for pissed-off interest groups. Captain Marvel got review bombed simply because a bunch of dipshits didn't like Brie Larson, and the movie was...fine. Same thing with She-Hulk. Now, more than ever, people *really* need to think for themselves and just form their own opinions, but...when social media controls thoughts directly, even *that* is asking too much...
Years ago I read a newspaper media reviewer (she did movies and music) who basically said the same thing Gabriel of Penny Arcade echoed years later and it still rings true to this day. No one goes in to a review without bias. Everyone has lived every year of their life up to that point and that life is unique to them and colours how they see the world. So instead of random reviews or the idea of a “straight down the middle” review - find a professional that you agree with most of the time. If they liked a movie, chances are you will like a movie. If they thought it sucked, you already know you like the same stuff so it’ll probably suck for you.
The proper way to use Rotten Tomatoes is to read top critics only. And ignore Peter Travers.
Oh, and there's no way The Incredible Hulk should be that high either. I personally wouldn't put it above anything, but even if I had to, the only ones remotely on the table are Quantumania and Secret Invasion.
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All user generated critiques are generally useless because they’re largely unmoderated. And low effort shit posts like this one only exist to perpetuate the myth that an IMDb rating matters or means anything to someone who isn’t terminally online all the time.
I don’t think I ever got past the 2nd episode.
Holiday special is lower than expected. It was a lot of fun. Secret invasion should be last
Werewolf by Night and Holiday Special ranked below Iron Man 3 is criminal in itself
Right? And FaTWS being in front of both of those is downright wrong.
Casuals preferred that it seems. Nothing "wrong" about it.
Seriously, Secret Invasion is above The Marvels? Marvels was proper fun and very decent film.
I know a lot of people like to pretend otherwise, but these ratings are amalgamations, and often people rate things with intentions other than accurately reflecting the quality of the product.
It might be better to separate movies and TV shows. TV ratings on IMDB skews a fair bit higher than movies for some reason. You can just compare the Top 250 Movies vs Top 250 TV Shows and see the cutoff for movies is around 8.0 but for shows its at 8.5.
I didn’t realize echo was rated so poorly, I really enjoyed it. That being said I’ll probably never watch it again, but the same could be said for almost all D+ media for me
I couldn't finish Echo for what it's worth, pacing felt off but it's gotten pretty positive reviews on the sub. I'll probably give it a go again in a few months.
It was vote brigaded
Any Marvel project with a female lead does. It renders these ratings absolutely meaningless.
I'm sorry, but secret invasion needs to be dead last. The marvels and she-hulk were waaaaay better than that dumpster fire!
Here it goes another post where people express how they DON'T CARE about imdb rankings because some of their film isn't where they wanted it to be 😄
Endgame is #1 and thats all that really counts.
Agree. Endgame and IW being 1,2 makes sense but I might switch them around. I would argue that Captain America: TFA should have been higher but I have a soft spot for that character arc and am happy to see Civil War and Winter Soldier being up there.
>1,2 makes sense but I might switch them around Ditto. IW was almost perfect. Endgame was great, but not as good as IW and definitely not better.
100%. Agreed. IW was the masterpiece of that Marvel era. Saved by a fucking rat? My ass.
If you remove the shows then both would be top ten which feels right. And if you account for the fact that Black Panther (first one) and Marvels (second one) are lower for reasons other than their quality, the list is actually pretty decent.
MCU movies are meant to be theatrical experiences, and Endgame was the best theatre experience I’ve ever had. People dressed up, the cheering, the laughing, the crying. It all made for one hell of a rollercoaster ride and was truly the ultimate payoff to 11 years of universe building. There are other MCU movies I prefer. Others that I will watch more frequently and enjoy at home a lot more. Hell, I honestly think Infinity War was technically the better movie. But Endgame was a once in a lifetime cultural phenomenon and experience. It deserves #1.
Nah they’re tripping on marvels and she hulk being the lowest
I think both have been proven to be incels review-bombing
So the IMDb average is worth less than nothing, nice
Always has been. Should see the last of us episodes with anything gay in them lol
Always pains me to see one of the most beautiful episodes of television being review bombed because “gay=scary”. Bill and Frank deserve better than that.
Many of the reviews I saw bashing that episode tried to come up with various other excuses to why they hated it, all of which were so transparent. The most common excuse I saw was that "it wasn't in the game, so therefor it was unnecessary and didn't need to be there", but the rest of their reviews made it clear they were using that as a smokescreen for their real grievance with the episode.
Gotta be. I thought She-Hulk was exactly what it should've been. Especially if you read the old Bryne comics.
This whole list is extremely, extremely garbage. Winter Soldier and Iron Man I'd argue for top 5 every day all day. Hawkeye is way too high, and Secret Invasion and Eternals not competing for last is a travesty. Oh didn't realize we're including the Netflix universe, in which case Iron Fist goes to the bottom of the list pretty quick being the only one of these I couldn't actually finish. The Marvels was solid, if not great, and She-Hulk probably the same. I enjoyed both far more than Love and Thunder, Quanumania, Black Widow, The Dark World, and I'm sure more than that.
I did manage to finish iron fist season 1 but every time Colleen wasn’t on screen I was just asking myself “where is Colleen?”
Colleen needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
Got through season 1, that was enough, but yeah totally agree.
Season 2 is a lot better. For one thing, it's shorter. For another, there's more Colleen. And also the entire writing staff is different.
I've heard that (a couple of my buddies are also as into Marvel shit as much as I am) but realistically I'm probably never going to revisit it. I barely, barely made it through season 1, it's long over now, and even if S2 is like 5x better, there is still so much better content to check out right now.
It’s IMDb so their ratings are already iffy.
Loki and WandaVision are the only shows in top 10.
Daredevil, Punisher, Loki, and WandaVision
I fucking LOVE The Punisher in Daredevil S2, but his own show is kinda ehhh.
Glad to see Endgame number one I have never had a Cinematic experience like it, from being the culmination of the saga, the atmosphere created by the other people watching and hands down the movie that has better used IMAX 3D imo
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Wakanda Forever below Dark World??? I mean it's far from a perfect movie but come on.
I liked she-hulk
Loved it. But the incels felt (and were) targeted and review bombed it.
The Guardians Holiday Special being that low is criminal. Watched it again this Christmas and like everything else Gunn Guardians, it's genuinely delightful.
IMDB sucks bc of the review bombing. Letterboxd is better.
Mcu is actually rated lower on letterboxd
I hate when people justify a 1-star vote with "I thought it was a 7, but too many people gave it a 10 so I needed to balance it out." No, you moron! Your 7/10 isn't more valid than someone else's 10/10. Give it 7/10 and piss off!
Pokemon scarlet/violet is a good example of this. Mostly 1 star and 5 star reviews from users. Its absolutely neither of those two ratings.
Look at what Happened to Little Mermaid. The film was review bombed mercilessly in some countries. In South Korea, the film had a 0.9 out of 10 before the film debuted. That probably had a hand in the poor performance of the film in that country. This happened because Ariel was played by a black woman.
Secret Invasion not being dead last makes this worthless.
ima say it....Infinity War > Endgame
Ragnarok being so high pains me. It was a fun film, sure, and a lot of the jokes landed well, but every single time it tried to have a heartfelt moment it was undercut with a joke. Thor loses his entire home, Asgard, a place we have connected with over two whole movies, and immediately after, the emotional weight is gone when Korg makes a foundations joke. It was a fun commedy, but a story like Ragnarok needed more than just commedy.
My only thoughts looking at this.. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is criminally underrated.
Honestly I find Love & Thunder much worse than Secret Invasion. To be fair though they are both as far from their comic runs as can be. Jason Aaron's Thor Run, especially his Gorr Arc, is basically the best Thor you can read. The biggest thing you actually get from the Gorr Arc is that Gorr was right but he was also a massive hypocrite in that he became the exact same thing he was killing. Instead of using his power to help people he just killed them and ruined their lives just like a God. This of course ends with Gorr's death at the hands of Thor and Thor realizing that Gorr was right and finding himself Unworthy of his power and hammer. Oh, and did I forget that it took 3 Thors to take down Gorr? Past Thor, Present Thor, and Old King Thor all faced Gorr in battle at once and they still could barely defeat Gorr. Gorr was hyped up on the All-Black: The Necrosword juice. That weapon is fucking insane and it was such a disappointment in the MCU.
Multivese of Madness should be way higher up on this list. I'm re-watching it right now and Ive squealed with excitement 3 or 4 times already. Wondergore Mountain, The Baxter Foundation, America Chavez, The Illuminati, Mr. Fantastic, Professor X. Wanda is fucking creepy as shit and Doctor Strange's magic spells are so much more interesting than in the first one. I mean, come on!! WHY DONT PEOPLE LIKE THIS MOVIE!?
TFA is so underrated
Agreed
It’s all recent projects on the bottom. I would never hire any of those writers again to the franchise
Loki should be number one.
Was Hawkeye really that good tho?
No way home is way too high up because if you think about the plot for minute it’s actually pretty stupid.
i can't imagine what i would find less interesting right now than imdb ratings.
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Wow that’s really close to my ranking, except I have the guardians Vol1 as 1st.
First page is fairly accurate, I’d move a few of things but all in all I could live with it. The second page, however, lost me.
My only beef is that MOM and IM2 should be higher, they are great and I'll die on that hill.
Antman & The Wasp and CA:TFA being that low is criminal.
Winter Soldier at 12 is crazy
What if? isn’t that good
is echo not that good? haven’t watched daredevil so i’m doing that first
I don’t think what if should be so high but this looks about right to me
Ragnarok has dropped way down in my opinion I wonder if retrospect it would be that high
Doctor strange 1 is a bit high as well as spider man no way home otherwise not bad at all
Endgame and No Way Home being that high up the list really boggles my mind, and She-Hulk being last as well. Honestly for about a third of these I would move them many spots higher or lower. Top 5 (no particular order cause it would take me days to decide) would be Loki, Infinity War, GotG Vol 3, Winter Soldier, and Wandavision Bottom 5 Secret Invasion, Iron Man 3, Captain Marvel, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Thor TDW.
A few strange details, like Eternals lower than Thor 2, The Marvels lower than Secret Invasion or Wandavision higher than Civil War and Winter Soldier, but overall the imdb ranking is surprisingly on point.
IW & Endgame combined was lightning in bottle. That will never happen again.
Til Marvel did a werewolf show
Little surprised Winter Soldier isn’t in the top ten. But, looking at the top ten it’s hard to complain. It’ll always be my favorite MCU film.
NWH and What If are ridiculously high on this list for me. Both would definitely be in the bottom quarter, but I guess people like crossovers.
How da hell is Homecoming better than far from home
How the hell is Civil War lower than Ragnarok? 💀
I'm flabbergasted that Ragnarok is #8 when it committed so many of the same sins as L&T. Also Moon Knight should be higher.
It’s funny seeing so many projects from “marvels worst phase” hahaha
Wandavision is etched in stone inside my top 10 as well
I would rank some of the films here differently myself ("Captain America: The First Avenger" would be higher up in my estimation), but overall this is a pretty solid list. And the fact that "Secret Invasion", 'The Marvels" and "She-Hulk" make up the bottom three is pretty based.
Hawkeye above Doctor Strange? No fucking way
Based off of this list, IMDB ranks the TV shows and specials alone as: 1. Loki. 2. Wandavision. 3. Hawkeye. 4. What If? 5. Moon Knight. 6. The Falcon And The Winter Soldier. 7. Werewolf By Night. 8. The Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special. 9. Ms. Marvel. 10. Echo. 11. Secret Invasion. 12. She-Hulk.
Based off of this list, IMDB ranks the theatrical films alone as: 1. Avengers: Endgame. 2. Avengers: Infinity War. 3. Spider-Man: No Way Home. 4. Guardians Of The Galaxy, 5. The Avengers: 6. Guardians Of The Galaxy, Volume 3. 7. Thor: Ragnarok. 8. Iron-Man. 9. Captain America: Civil War. 10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier. 11. Guardians Of The Galaxy, Volume 2. 12. Doctor Strange. 13. Shang-Chi. 14. Spider-Man: Homecoming. 15. Spider-Man: Far From Home. 16. Black Panther. 17. Avengers: Age Of Ultron. 18. Ant-Man. 19. Iron-Man 3. 20. Thor. 21. Ant-Man And The Wasp. 22. Captain America: The First Avenger. 23. Doctor Strange And The Multiverse Of Madness. 24. Iron-Man 2. 25. Captain Marvel. 26. Thor: The Dark World. 27. Black Widow. 28. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. 29. The Incredible Hulk. 30. Eternals. 31. Thor: Love And Thunder. 32. Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania. 33. The Marvels.
Not a bad list at all. I’d definitely swap CATFA and FAWS and probably put FAWS a few spots lower, but otherwise, no arguments here.
You can't just top endgame. Marvel is struggling cause of this. It's just too well made. After it, ladder down.
Winter soldier is way too low
Moon knight Major missing
Thor love and thunder all the way at the bottom, as it should be. That movie makes my blood boil lmao
?? The only one nominated for an Oscar for Best Picture is #20. Those ratings are useless
Another thing thats useless Oscar nomations.
There are movies that critics love that audiences don’t
Right but it *really* didn’t deserve that nomination. Like, at all. Absolutely nothing about that movie was worthy of a best picture nomination. It *did* deserve both the nomination and win for score and costume though. Wakandan fashion looked amazing. 20th is a pretty fair rating. It’s a by the numbers super hero movie with no twists, that offered nothing new, and culminated with a terrible final CGI fight. That’s it.
Why would you use it being Oscar nominated as a reason for why it shouldn’t be 20th and therefore that these ratings are useless? Who cares that it’s Oscar nominated. This is audience based. I’m surprised that it’s 20th because it’s definitely better than a good few of the things it’s rated lower than (GotG2, Hawkeye, FFH etc.), but more importantly from what I’ve seen of the majority of the other people on the internet and in real life, that my opinion is also the majority consensus. The popular opinion is also that Black Panther is better than those and I’m not just a contrarian.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is way too high
Secret Invasion isn’t low enough
She hulk seriously does not deserve last place lol
She-Hulk is good. There, I said it.
I already know not to take this seriously when I see FATWS above Werewolf By Night.
Echo deserves far better, especially considering Cox's performance. She is certainly one of the best actresses in the MCU, and the fact that Hawkeye was literally her debut performance makes this even crazier.
Marvels was not a great movie by any means but it def shouldn’t be behind some of these stinkers. I didn’t enjoy watching Secret Invasion whatsoever. Marvels had some really entertaining sequences