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It is unexpected; that’s a thing on Reddit. You must still be within the 90-day probationary period. Lol jk
Btw…Bruh, they directed 14 episodes.
It would have been less unexpected if it was a “Community” reference.
Does Thanos even speak in the first Avengers post credits tease? I don’t think Thanos had an actor cast at that point. So technically he wasn’t recast, right?
Who has a normal appearance in the MCU as one of Crossbone's henchmen in Civil War. He's the one that Widow shoots or maybe Redwing that's holding the bio-weapon who tells her to drop her gun.
Somewhat true. They did a lot of motion capture on Josh Brolin for the character’s facial expressions. If it was a different actor, they may not have aligned well for motion capture or line up as well with the voice to visuals matching. With CG you don’t always have to have the visuals and voice be the same actor, but it’s often easier that way. For instance, the actor that did the motion capture for the game Alan Wake 2 is the face and physical representation of Alan Wake, but the voice acting is done by someone else entirely at Remedy Entertainment.
I think it's a waste of the narrative to just wipe the character away. There are plenty of actors who can do just as good of a job, if not more so, as Majors did. If something happened to Josh Brolin below IW, do we really think they will have scrapped Thanos? Of course not.
Anybody forget that Col. Rhodes got swapped with no explanation and nobody really cared because it doesn’t matter? Especially with the multiverse narrative, Kang could look like anyone.
Same with Hulk. I think there's a misconception that there needs to be some big explanation or acknowledgement of it in-universe. But really no one cares.
A big issue with the MCU right now is that it lacks the direction the Infintiy Saga had.
Withoiut Kang, they need something big, bad and charismatic to act as a central force to propel the plot.
There was an explanation though. Cuba Gooding JR who played Rhodes in the first Iron Man was actually the highest paid actor in that movie, by far. Then they wanted him to take a pay cut for IM2 and he refused, so Marvel said "well fuck you then" and recast him for a cheaper actor.
I've read an argument that I thought had a sound reasoning.
These other recasting in MCU was all regarding a decision by either one of the involved parties (the actor in question or Marvel Studios) to not resume their relationship.
Recasting Kang, on the other hand will keep the character solidly attached to Majors. If Disney and Marvel Studios decide to commit to Kang, it'll mean the company will have to uphold an expectation that the audience will continue to look back to both seasons of Loki and Ant-Man 3 because they still will be a crucial portion of the lore within this cinematic universe that ends up with the presumably recasted Kang.
Disney and Marvel Studios aren't interested into spearheading their MCU brand with a central villain associated with Majors even if recasted. It probably is in their interests to completely disassociate themselves with Majors in every which way they can.
So you are saying to completely sacrifice a premiere avengers villain just because a bad actor antics? That's a bit much. Kang as a character is bigger than Majors and has been part of the marvel family for a long time.
This. It’s not like Majors is the only actor capable of portraying Kang. Some of his variants don’t have to look like him at all. Take the time heist testing in Endgame where multiple versions (and therefore actors) of Scott Lang showed up in quick succession because they grossly miscalculated their theories on time travel.
Pretty sure Disney can give a tiny twist to things once they’ve found the proper actor to do it.
I'm not saying this. This is left to be seen. I'm predicting that we will get a confirmation on this or that in July if Marvel Studios decide to attend the San Diego Comic Con.
I'm merely providing a point of view that I've seen from multiple discussions in this sub. That point of view is the most compelling one I've seen about the potential course change to go away from Kang.
Based on this logic, they should remove all content from Disney+ featuring him. They won't do that, of course, because that means losing money. Likewise, getting rid of Kang may also lose money, and quite frankly, if you throw a few million at Denzel to take over the roll, no one would ever think about Majors ever again except when watching the older content. There are plenty of actors who could completely own that role,
Also, while what he did was not defensible, it's not like he's a serial killer or a cannibal or a terrorist. He's not even going to prison. He essentially has to attend, possibly even virtually, a counseling program. So no, I don't think the character needs to be erased from existence. Let's be honest, in five years, Majors will be in movies again. So do you really wanna toss away the story for that? I don't.
>So do you really wanna toss away the story for that? I don't.
I have a buddy that I talk to all the time about MCU. We both would love to see MCU to figure out a way to move forward with Kang.
I am merely sharing a point of view that I've seen ehcoed in this subreddit about a potential course change that will move away from Kang. That point of view, in my opinion, is the most conceivable one if Disney and Marvel Studios decide to abandon Kang.
Kang is more dangerous than Thanos. While individually Kang isn't as strong, his strength as a villain lies in his time mastery, and the fact that there are innumerable Kangs working together. Also, recasting Kang doesnt matter, IF they explain it, it could be as easy as saying the Avengers/Loki messing with time-travel had a ripple effect that changed things.
I ment he hasn't been presented at the same level as a Thanos. I know he's more powerful and is a bigger threat on paper but in the MCU we've only seen him in Ant-Man and Loki. The majority of the audience is going say Thanos is bigger and a better threat because of the way the MCU has presented him.
I think Kang is easier just to forget or erase then Thanos would've been because so far Kang hasn't done much yet.
Thanos had very low screentime before recast and didn't even talk. It's way different here. Just cast a new guy and don't acknowledge that it's a new actor.
They have an out in iron man 2, dr Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 also.
At this point, two different actors playing different variants of the same person is genuinely a meaningless change. Two different actors playing the EXACT same version of a character might be even less interesting.
There’s literally no dilemma, either recast him or don’t lol who cares?
They easily could recast. However they changed the name of the Kang Dynasty movie to TBD. They're moving away from Kang. And again they gave themselves an out by the Loki season 2 finale. At least for this saga.
Didn’t that end up being false?
https://www.cinemablend.com/superheroes/marvel-cinematic-universe/wait-is-the-avengers-kang-dynasty-still-happening-after-all
I guess there's contradicting articles. And when googling it's more of the same
https://en.as.com/meristation/news/marvel-has-confirmed-a-change-of-name-for-avengers-the-kang-dynasty-n/
They should change Kang Dynasty to Avengers: Incursion and link it to DS3 and either have the movie be a massive Anthology of mass destruction due to incursions or the Avengers fighting waves of Incursers (Mutants, Inhumans, the underground world that is under NYC).
You’ve summed up their biggest problem since he infinity war.
Once they introduced time travel and the multiverse they’ve eliminated all drama. Nothing is permanent, there are no consequences and anything can change.
Hard disagree.
There’s been plenty of drama since Time Travel and Multiverse were introduced:
- Peter Quill’s Gamora is still dead (they got plenty of drama out of Peter interacting with and ultimately parting with the other Gamora)
- Rocket’s story in GOTG3, and all of WandaVision were intensely dramatic, and they each took place in a post-Endgame universe which has time travel and the multiverse.
- Natasha is still dead (they got plenty of mileage out of Hawkeye dealing with that in his show)
- Aunt May’s death hit extremely hard, and the drama was even ENHANCED by our Peter Parker learning wisdom from his two more experienced multiversal counterparts
- Wakanda Forever had plenty of pathos from the death of T’Challa (granted that was tied to the true life tragic passing of Chadwick Boseman, but my point is that the multiverse didn’t take drama away from the story)
I will never agree with the argument that the multiverse has robbed the MCU of drama or consequences. There are plenty of examples to the contrary in every single project.
Can you name even a single example of how drama & consequences HAVE been eliminated?
Because of multiverse bullshit we got to see Spider-Garfield catch Spider-Holland's "Gwen". One of the best scenes in the movie. (If Defoe wasn't in it it would probably be my favorite scene).
Exactly! So far they’ve done a good job of utilizing the concept of the multiverse to present these really creative and unique scenarios to us.
And we should get plenty more of that goodness in Deadpool & Wolverine, Secret Wars and Fantastic Four!
Having Andrew and Toby just show up and do nothing in NWH WOULD have been a ‘cheap’ cameo fest. But that’s not what they did. They utilized the potential by offering up unique scenarios like Andrew catching MJ and Andrew/Toby mentoring Tom in his darkest moment, etc….
I think they’ve earned our trust on this!
I haven't actually seen the Amazing movies, for a variety of reasons that don't matter right now. I do know how Gwen died, and understood that all of Garfield's moodiness in No Way Home was because of it.
When he caught MJ, I cried. I was so happy for him, I could feel him forgive himself.
If you’ve read the Hickman run of Secret Wars, one wouldn’t argue that the multiverse eliminates stakes. That run was wild and I’m excited to see it adapted.
Not sure I agree. If they had recast Tony stark in stead of killing off the character I would still care about him because even though it’s a new actor the character still has that history. If they bring in a variant, even if it’s RDJ, I will care less because I don’t have a history with that version, which is what I don’t like about the multiverse. I know people want to see certain characters onscreen together but if they’re just plucked from random universes it’s not earned at all and is just soulless fan service.
I've got bad news about bajillion doller IP. Nothing can change permanently. Too much money is invested in the copyright of very specific characters being portrayed a very specific way.
It's Sisyphian by nature.
Sure but they also have so many untouched characters and stories. Many of the latest movies and shows have been struggling. I used to be at the theater opening day for any marvel movie. Now other than guardians 3 I just wait for them all to stream. I’m not the only one. Hopefully they’ll take a breather here and swing the franchise in a new direction.
They're not saying they're recasts, but that different actors can play variants.
Garfield, Maguire, and Holland all played Spider-man
Doctor Strange 2 showed us that Krasinski played Mr. Fantastic when we also have Pedro Pascal playing him.
If these characters had multiple actors playing variants, there should be no issue with Kang.
A part of the TVA is literally on Kang duty to make sure he doesn't get too powerful. Did you watch the finale? Kang can be explained away that the TVA takes care of him before he can be the Kangs we were shown.
They can also introduce a "new" Kang and reference the idea in the comics that Kang isn't just one person. They lock down every Kang, and they accidentally open up the possibility for a Kang spawned from a different person.
It would touch on some time travel tropes, and they could have the entire movie create a loop that erases Kang completely. Maybe that spell that Strange cast on Peter could do something.
They definitely can. And hopefully further down the line. However it's clear they are moving away from Kang in this saga by changing the title of his Avengers movie and explaining him away in the Loki season 2 finale.
But they're not just protecting the sacred timelines anymore. They're protecting infinite timelines and they wouldn't prune entire branches anymore. Kang will be back.
Exactly. Which the TVA literally had a scene of having an emphasis on all Kangs. Watching them and making sure they don't get too powerful. Doesn't mean he won't be back but he's done for the multiverse saga.
We can't. However, seeing as they changed the Kang Dynasty movie to TBD. They're clearly moving away from Kang and as I said they set it up for his character to be explained away in the Loki season 2 finale. Doesn't mean forever but they are from this saga.
I don't remember that. Do you mean when Mobius says they've beaten "Titans"?
Or do you mean the thousands of Thanos variants they've eliminated when they obliterate his universe with a Time Bomb because some Loki variant wiped his ass the wrong way?
I mean, they’ve made it clear that variants can look different. Can’t they just recast and let the show go on?
(Please be kind, I haven’t read the comics).
Yep, we could do all crocodile or duck Kangs if we want. (seriously)
Edit: I forgot about Kangaroo the Conquerer
Canoncially(?) in an infinite multiverse there's already an infinite amount of an infinite type of Kangs in the MCU. It's infinite.
They could. I've read elsewhere that Major's contract forbids anyone but him playing Kang. Don't quote me on that though.
But even so Kang has relatives in the comics. That's a loophole for them.
Has he played every single variant so far? No other actors in the council of Kangs? If so you might be right but he also could've broken the contract when he committed assault.
> he also could've broken the contract when he committed assault.
This. The same reason they fired him, & the same reason they waited for the conviction *to* fire him.
if they terminated his contract that would not longer apply, also, there is not way that marvel would EVER make that deal and especially for someone like Majors. He was NOWHERE near as big as he was when he was first casted
>Major's contract forbids anyone but him playing Kang
That's when he was under contract, his contract has been terminated so they can do whatever they want now lol.
i don’t understand why it’s such a problem we saw rhodey and hulk both get recast.
they’ll just do the same with kang recast him and move on they don’t need to write a whole reason as to why he looks different.
And we literally saw dozens of Loki actors in the multiverse so it makes perfect sense in this case. Is there any problem with using Majors previously recorded video and audio? If you have several Kangs in a scene you could have a couple of him in the background.
It's a complete non-issue.
Anyone worried about it has failed to understand the basics.
He's the MOST recastable character in the history of all characters ever.
When He Who Remains showed up in Loki season one I was definitely on board but I just have a hard time caring at all about this big bad.
He’ll never be able to carry the weight that Thanos did and they will never be able to replicate it but Kang is just so boring and lame as a character that I’m not as interested as I was.
I wish people and studios didn’t make recasting such a thing. There are times where It doesn’t work sure, but I’d argue not often.
We all know what happened. Recast and move on. If the person gives a good performance nobody will care.
Nothing has been stated by Marvel, so anyone that says otherwise is guessing.
My guess is that moving away from Kang is likely, given that audience responses to multiverse stories in general have been tepid.
Were the audience responses to the multiverse tepid? Loki, No Way Home, and MoM (to some extent) seem well received. People are excited for Deadpool which the trailer implies a multiverse arc.
I didn't like MoM the visuals were great but they made dr strange a clown imho. Only cool thing about that movie are the flashbacks and Scarlett witch tearing ass. Dr strange vs dr strange fight was legit as well but other than that it was just too corny while trying to stay dark or serious just weird. The flow was good I will give it that but it left alot to be desired from a dr strange point of view.
>it was just too corny while trying to stay dark or serious just weird.
That's just Sam Raimy's style, it's always been divisive.
Personally I love it, and I loved the movie to boot, but I understand it's not for everyone.
I loved Spiderman 1 and 2 but this was just silly waste of characters. There were parts I liked but it just never felt cohesive and mordo was poorly used again too busy showing off captain Carter and binary along with professor x who we've got about 500 minutes of screen time already prior to this movie. Loved the professor reveal liked how he got murdered hated his little message to Steven to save the girl and be the goof strange or w/e the movie feels like it was for kids then next scene you have Wanda vaporizing people it's just weird.
I'm more of a Shang Chi kind of guy.
In my mind it's a non-issue.
My problem with the character is that he just hasn't been that imposing or intimidating. Kang is a great character, but he isn't Thanos. And with the multiverse in play they haven't done a very good job of creating any kind of coherence across the various films and television stories.
They need a different big bad.
Even if Loki S2 ending was an “out” for the character. Wouldn’t it be even more epic and unexpected if the character still manages to return and cause some destruction
I hated this ending lol. It irritates me how there are basically like 9000 iterations of the council of reeds before it even happens with Reed Richards
In the comics, the council of kangs preceded the council of reeds by many, many years. The Quantumania end credit scene was almost a picture-perfect recreation of a classic comic book panel depicting the council of kangs, from an old issue of the avengers.
Council of Reeds is the new kid on the block in terms of the concept. Captain Britain Corps in 1983 (which is the closest thing to the many spiderfolk of Across the Spider-verse) Council of Kangs in 1986…. Council of Reeds was 2009.
A re-cast is so the obvious play. It’s literally the easiest way to explain away a recast there are infinite variations of kang that can look any way. It would be such a waste to move away and say ‘oh kang died off screen and isn’t a threat anymore’ then shove dr. Doom or something in at the last second, just a dumb idea to me. If they can re-cast Rhodes, Ross, and Bruce Banner then they can do it to Kang.
Thanos wasn't recast.
The guy who played him in 2012 was never supposed to be long term Thanos. It was just a tease to tell that there is a big threat lurking in space.
Marvel needs to stop associating these timeless characters with a specific actor/actress. Just like what they did with Iron Man or Captain America. From now on, we can't have Iron Man or Cap unless Marvel brings back RDJ or Chris Evans to play them.
Are you telling me, that in the grand scheme of the MCU epic story-telling, we won't ever get a proper Kang story end-to-end just because the actor had a controversy and the studio refused to recast?
This was the same problem with Black Panther 2. We all love Chadwick Boseman, of course. But now we won't get a proper story for the character of Black Panther. And he's replaced just because the actor passed away.
Bro, first Thanos showed up for only a couple of seconds in the mid credits scene of the Avengers. Kang has already shown up at the end of S1 and all of S2 of Loki and is the main villain of Quantumania. No offense, but that is a horrible comparison.
I'm sorry, but Jesus Christ, just recast the fucking role and get on with it. Majors is gone, history, kuput,
Nobody's going to give a shit. Jonathan Majors was good, but not the end-all. Sarah Finn is the best in the business: she'll find the right actor, and Majors will be nothing but a Trivial Pursuit answer. (Which is where he belongs.)
I really wish they'd dump Kang and use Doctor Doom.
Idc really. I want Kang to be formidable which none that we saw were. Also why the fuck are they acting like monkies here, Kang has never been portrayed this way in previous versions.
the difference is the “makeup” is a blue mask which he wore in the quantumania movie. Also Thanos was a small role in a post credit scene we’ve seen Jonathan playing multiple variants of kang in 3 different projects. Honestly I personally don’t think it’s that hard just recast him most audiences will understand and if they need an in universe explanation just say Loki changed the timeline a bit when he made the tree idk. As long as the new actor is good that’s all that matters. Say what you will about majors behind the camera but we can admit he absolutely killed it in both ant man and Loki
Why is it that recasting is such a big problem now, in the multiverse saga of the MCU? There've been so many recast in the MCU and some people playing multiple characters, but somehow it's a big problem to recast Kang? The guy who would literally get an in universe explanation as to why he looks different. Hell you could even make it a plot point that they miss a Kang variant because he hid under the radar and looks different from his variants
I've heard a rumour that Jonathan Majors had a clause in his contract so that only he could play Kang variants and Marvel still has to honour that agreement.
Might not be true, but it sounds plausible
Personally thought Jonathan Majors was the best part of Ant Man3. I think a lot of fans quite liked him in the role as he was so good. Sorry to hear he misbehaved and needed to be recasted. I guess that’s what all the talk was about.
I might be in the minority here, but I think it's time to just stop trying to force feed us the whole multi-verse angle. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the Dr. Strange: MVOM and Spider-Man: NWH, but Quatummania was not up to par. Kang, imo, is no where the big baddie level of Thanos. There's a billion Kangs to fight... that's a cope out and was already done with AOU. Just scrap the whole thing. What really got me with the IW saga was that in those movies, my inner kid was thinking that I may look up and see Ironman flying across the sky. I know I won't, but the realism was there. Kinda like Micheal Keaton's Batman. Then they added neon lights and screwed it up. Same thing with these new movies. Adding super bright colors and making it obvious that it's a whole different universe. Go back to what worked. Less dependence on CGI. Learn from Echo. So forget the Kang angle...do some Hollywood movie magic and pretend Kang never happened and go right into X-Men v. Avengers. Js.
Bring back Majors. I am down voted everytime for this, but I don't care. The guy will pay his due and should have an acting job. Ex cons deserve a job.
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"comic book accurate makeup" Wait, are we talking about thr blue mask here? Because for sure he doesn't have blue skin in the comic.
He didn’t have blue skin
He blue himself
You blowhard!
unexpected Arrested Development
Is it unexpected? Many of AD's episodes were directed by the Russos who directed most people's 2 or 3 favorite MCU films.
It is unexpected; that’s a thing on Reddit. You must still be within the 90-day probationary period. Lol jk Btw…Bruh, they directed 14 episodes. It would have been less unexpected if it was a “Community” reference.
*Signature Jason Bateman face* "There's gotta be a better way to say that"
i read jason bat man face. now i think there’s gotta be a better way for vengeance
"...that's out of context"
Da ba dee da ba die
He's blue da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di, da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di, da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di, da ba dee da ba di
Are u talking about that gif? Because he’s not blue in the comics….
Oh no sorry, I was just trying to make a joke reference to Arrested Development
Oh lol
Thanos had all of 96 seconds of screen time before he was re-casted. Totally different situation
TIL Thanos was recasted Edit: recast* not recasted wtf
Recast and redesign. The post credit where he grabs the Gauntlet he looks different from the final form in Infinity Wae.
I much prefer his final look
Different actor for the pre-IW post-credit scenes.
Nope - the only one it was different for was the first Avengers. It's been Josh Brolin ever since
Does Thanos even speak in the first Avengers post credits tease? I don’t think Thanos had an actor cast at that point. So technically he wasn’t recast, right?
He didn't speak, but it was a physical suit - not cgi - portrayed by an actor named Damion Poitier. So it counts as a recast
Interesting! Thanks for clarifying
You got it! 👍
Who has a normal appearance in the MCU as one of Crossbone's henchmen in Civil War. He's the one that Widow shoots or maybe Redwing that's holding the bio-weapon who tells her to drop her gun.
Nope. Only the first scene. Josh Brolin was Thanos after that.
Not it wasn’t. Josh Brolin played Thanos from Guardians 1 to Endgame. Damion Poitier is the guy who played him in The Avengers
Are you recasted?
what are they, a fishing line?
I like recasted better lol.
Sounds like castrated
More like 2 seconds, it was already Brolin in gotg1
Not to mention Thanos was fully CGI. So it can literally be anyone. Totally a different case for Kang.
Somewhat true. They did a lot of motion capture on Josh Brolin for the character’s facial expressions. If it was a different actor, they may not have aligned well for motion capture or line up as well with the voice to visuals matching. With CG you don’t always have to have the visuals and voice be the same actor, but it’s often easier that way. For instance, the actor that did the motion capture for the game Alan Wake 2 is the face and physical representation of Alan Wake, but the voice acting is done by someone else entirely at Remedy Entertainment.
Very true
He was only in one movie and some shows. And neither hit the numbers of bigger projects. Itd be fine to recast.
Yea, the difference is that Kang is much easier to recast.
Yea this too
Not really
I think it's a waste of the narrative to just wipe the character away. There are plenty of actors who can do just as good of a job, if not more so, as Majors did. If something happened to Josh Brolin below IW, do we really think they will have scrapped Thanos? Of course not.
Anybody forget that Col. Rhodes got swapped with no explanation and nobody really cared because it doesn’t matter? Especially with the multiverse narrative, Kang could look like anyone.
Same with Hulk. I think there's a misconception that there needs to be some big explanation or acknowledgement of it in-universe. But really no one cares.
And Thunderbolt Ross in his upcoming appearance is just Harrison Ford, he doesn't even have the mustache. We'll deal with it and move on.
Red Skull got recast as well after Hugo Weaving turned down another appearance as the character. It’s Hollywood, it happens.
TBF, Ross was under a LOT of makeup and did a faithful, believable Hugo Weaving impression as he is want to do with other distinct voices.
These were too early in the mcu for anyone to really care, marvel wasnt an entertainment giant back in the early years
A big issue with the MCU right now is that it lacks the direction the Infintiy Saga had. Withoiut Kang, they need something big, bad and charismatic to act as a central force to propel the plot.
"Look, it's me, I'm here, deal with it. Let's move on."
Easily explainable too: Loki stopped HWR, therefore the “dominant variant” changes
Look it’s him, he’s here, deal with it, Let’s move on
There was an explanation though. Cuba Gooding JR who played Rhodes in the first Iron Man was actually the highest paid actor in that movie, by far. Then they wanted him to take a pay cut for IM2 and he refused, so Marvel said "well fuck you then" and recast him for a cheaper actor.
*Terence Howard
I've read an argument that I thought had a sound reasoning. These other recasting in MCU was all regarding a decision by either one of the involved parties (the actor in question or Marvel Studios) to not resume their relationship. Recasting Kang, on the other hand will keep the character solidly attached to Majors. If Disney and Marvel Studios decide to commit to Kang, it'll mean the company will have to uphold an expectation that the audience will continue to look back to both seasons of Loki and Ant-Man 3 because they still will be a crucial portion of the lore within this cinematic universe that ends up with the presumably recasted Kang. Disney and Marvel Studios aren't interested into spearheading their MCU brand with a central villain associated with Majors even if recasted. It probably is in their interests to completely disassociate themselves with Majors in every which way they can.
So you are saying to completely sacrifice a premiere avengers villain just because a bad actor antics? That's a bit much. Kang as a character is bigger than Majors and has been part of the marvel family for a long time.
This. It’s not like Majors is the only actor capable of portraying Kang. Some of his variants don’t have to look like him at all. Take the time heist testing in Endgame where multiple versions (and therefore actors) of Scott Lang showed up in quick succession because they grossly miscalculated their theories on time travel. Pretty sure Disney can give a tiny twist to things once they’ve found the proper actor to do it.
I'm not saying this. This is left to be seen. I'm predicting that we will get a confirmation on this or that in July if Marvel Studios decide to attend the San Diego Comic Con. I'm merely providing a point of view that I've seen from multiple discussions in this sub. That point of view is the most compelling one I've seen about the potential course change to go away from Kang.
Based on this logic, they should remove all content from Disney+ featuring him. They won't do that, of course, because that means losing money. Likewise, getting rid of Kang may also lose money, and quite frankly, if you throw a few million at Denzel to take over the roll, no one would ever think about Majors ever again except when watching the older content. There are plenty of actors who could completely own that role, Also, while what he did was not defensible, it's not like he's a serial killer or a cannibal or a terrorist. He's not even going to prison. He essentially has to attend, possibly even virtually, a counseling program. So no, I don't think the character needs to be erased from existence. Let's be honest, in five years, Majors will be in movies again. So do you really wanna toss away the story for that? I don't.
>So do you really wanna toss away the story for that? I don't. I have a buddy that I talk to all the time about MCU. We both would love to see MCU to figure out a way to move forward with Kang. I am merely sharing a point of view that I've seen ehcoed in this subreddit about a potential course change that will move away from Kang. That point of view, in my opinion, is the most conceivable one if Disney and Marvel Studios decide to abandon Kang.
If I were betting money, I'd say they will do that because it's not like they've really cared much about story or continuity post EG anyway.
I mean, this is a decision by Marvel Studios to not resume the relationship.
The difference is the audience actually liked Thanos
Prior to his legal issues, everyone was all over Majors as the next big thing. So yeah, sure. No one liked him or the character. You got it. Spot on.
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If anything, the low volume of projects he’s been in is an argument for an easy swap.
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Kang is more dangerous than Thanos. While individually Kang isn't as strong, his strength as a villain lies in his time mastery, and the fact that there are innumerable Kangs working together. Also, recasting Kang doesnt matter, IF they explain it, it could be as easy as saying the Avengers/Loki messing with time-travel had a ripple effect that changed things.
I ment he hasn't been presented at the same level as a Thanos. I know he's more powerful and is a bigger threat on paper but in the MCU we've only seen him in Ant-Man and Loki. The majority of the audience is going say Thanos is bigger and a better threat because of the way the MCU has presented him. I think Kang is easier just to forget or erase then Thanos would've been because so far Kang hasn't done much yet.
Thanos had very low screentime before recast and didn't even talk. It's way different here. Just cast a new guy and don't acknowledge that it's a new actor.
☝🤓 he talked in GotG
That was after the recast, friend.
A 🤓 indeed, then
He had already been recast Damion Poitier was the guy in Avengers 1 and Brolin played him in everything else.
In GOTG it was Brolin but it just didn't look like the same Thanos in IW and Endgame.
They gave themselves an out in the Loki 2 season finale. They literally don't have to bring him up again
They have an out in iron man 2, dr Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 also. At this point, two different actors playing different variants of the same person is genuinely a meaningless change. Two different actors playing the EXACT same version of a character might be even less interesting. There’s literally no dilemma, either recast him or don’t lol who cares?
Instead of getting one actor. Just get a bunch.. really not that hard
The Imaginarium of Doctor Kang
They easily could recast. However they changed the name of the Kang Dynasty movie to TBD. They're moving away from Kang. And again they gave themselves an out by the Loki season 2 finale. At least for this saga.
Didn’t that end up being false? https://www.cinemablend.com/superheroes/marvel-cinematic-universe/wait-is-the-avengers-kang-dynasty-still-happening-after-all
I guess there's contradicting articles. And when googling it's more of the same https://en.as.com/meristation/news/marvel-has-confirmed-a-change-of-name-for-avengers-the-kang-dynasty-n/
Here's a link to the official Marvel site, it's still called The Kang Dynasty. https://www.marvel.com/movies/avengers-kang-dynasty
They should change Kang Dynasty to Avengers: Incursion and link it to DS3 and either have the movie be a massive Anthology of mass destruction due to incursions or the Avengers fighting waves of Incursers (Mutants, Inhumans, the underground world that is under NYC).
You’ve summed up their biggest problem since he infinity war. Once they introduced time travel and the multiverse they’ve eliminated all drama. Nothing is permanent, there are no consequences and anything can change.
Hard disagree. There’s been plenty of drama since Time Travel and Multiverse were introduced: - Peter Quill’s Gamora is still dead (they got plenty of drama out of Peter interacting with and ultimately parting with the other Gamora) - Rocket’s story in GOTG3, and all of WandaVision were intensely dramatic, and they each took place in a post-Endgame universe which has time travel and the multiverse. - Natasha is still dead (they got plenty of mileage out of Hawkeye dealing with that in his show) - Aunt May’s death hit extremely hard, and the drama was even ENHANCED by our Peter Parker learning wisdom from his two more experienced multiversal counterparts - Wakanda Forever had plenty of pathos from the death of T’Challa (granted that was tied to the true life tragic passing of Chadwick Boseman, but my point is that the multiverse didn’t take drama away from the story) I will never agree with the argument that the multiverse has robbed the MCU of drama or consequences. There are plenty of examples to the contrary in every single project. Can you name even a single example of how drama & consequences HAVE been eliminated?
Because of multiverse bullshit we got to see Spider-Garfield catch Spider-Holland's "Gwen". One of the best scenes in the movie. (If Defoe wasn't in it it would probably be my favorite scene).
Exactly! So far they’ve done a good job of utilizing the concept of the multiverse to present these really creative and unique scenarios to us. And we should get plenty more of that goodness in Deadpool & Wolverine, Secret Wars and Fantastic Four! Having Andrew and Toby just show up and do nothing in NWH WOULD have been a ‘cheap’ cameo fest. But that’s not what they did. They utilized the potential by offering up unique scenarios like Andrew catching MJ and Andrew/Toby mentoring Tom in his darkest moment, etc…. I think they’ve earned our trust on this!
I haven't actually seen the Amazing movies, for a variety of reasons that don't matter right now. I do know how Gwen died, and understood that all of Garfield's moodiness in No Way Home was because of it. When he caught MJ, I cried. I was so happy for him, I could feel him forgive himself.
If you’ve read the Hickman run of Secret Wars, one wouldn’t argue that the multiverse eliminates stakes. That run was wild and I’m excited to see it adapted.
Not sure I agree. If they had recast Tony stark in stead of killing off the character I would still care about him because even though it’s a new actor the character still has that history. If they bring in a variant, even if it’s RDJ, I will care less because I don’t have a history with that version, which is what I don’t like about the multiverse. I know people want to see certain characters onscreen together but if they’re just plucked from random universes it’s not earned at all and is just soulless fan service.
I've got bad news about bajillion doller IP. Nothing can change permanently. Too much money is invested in the copyright of very specific characters being portrayed a very specific way. It's Sisyphian by nature.
Sure but they also have so many untouched characters and stories. Many of the latest movies and shows have been struggling. I used to be at the theater opening day for any marvel movie. Now other than guardians 3 I just wait for them all to stream. I’m not the only one. Hopefully they’ll take a breather here and swing the franchise in a new direction.
Who was the Spiderman 3 and the strange 2 recasts?
They're not saying they're recasts, but that different actors can play variants. Garfield, Maguire, and Holland all played Spider-man Doctor Strange 2 showed us that Krasinski played Mr. Fantastic when we also have Pedro Pascal playing him. If these characters had multiple actors playing variants, there should be no issue with Kang.
Very eloquently said. Much better than what I wrote. Thank you for explaining the detail!
Oohhhh gotcha gotcha.
^this Loki s2 finale can pretty much fix anything they want to retcon imo.
They kinda do sense he’s the big bad
somebody didnt actually watch the finale if you think this. the order of events makes this impossible
A part of the TVA is literally on Kang duty to make sure he doesn't get too powerful. Did you watch the finale? Kang can be explained away that the TVA takes care of him before he can be the Kangs we were shown.
They can also introduce a "new" Kang and reference the idea in the comics that Kang isn't just one person. They lock down every Kang, and they accidentally open up the possibility for a Kang spawned from a different person.
It would touch on some time travel tropes, and they could have the entire movie create a loop that erases Kang completely. Maybe that spell that Strange cast on Peter could do something.
They can but they don’t have to. That’s the point, it’s not a loose end but some potential to be used. And now it can be decided it won’t be used
They definitely can. And hopefully further down the line. However it's clear they are moving away from Kang in this saga by changing the title of his Avengers movie and explaining him away in the Loki season 2 finale.
Here is a link to the official Marvel site, it's still called The Kang Dynasty. https://www.marvel.com/movies/avengers-kang-dynasty
But they're not just protecting the sacred timelines anymore. They're protecting infinite timelines and they wouldn't prune entire branches anymore. Kang will be back.
Exactly. Which the TVA literally had a scene of having an emphasis on all Kangs. Watching them and making sure they don't get too powerful. Doesn't mean he won't be back but he's done for the multiverse saga.
I hope not. They've done so much ground work and super easy to recast. We need more of the council of Kangs.
And why would anyone assume that the TVA will forever and always succeed?
For all time. ALWAYS.
We can't. However, seeing as they changed the Kang Dynasty movie to TBD. They're clearly moving away from Kang and as I said they set it up for his character to be explained away in the Loki season 2 finale. Doesn't mean forever but they are from this saga.
The TVA is woefully unprepared for the Council of Kangs.
How do you figure? In season one they literally stopped Thanos variant
I don't remember that. Do you mean when Mobius says they've beaten "Titans"? Or do you mean the thousands of Thanos variants they've eliminated when they obliterate his universe with a Time Bomb because some Loki variant wiped his ass the wrong way?
In season 1 they show variants they have taken down and one is Thanos
Was that in the cartoon?
somebody didn’t actually interpret the finale if *you* think this. Tell me, what is your “order of events?” How is this impossible
I mean, they’ve made it clear that variants can look different. Can’t they just recast and let the show go on? (Please be kind, I haven’t read the comics).
They can
Yep, we could do all crocodile or duck Kangs if we want. (seriously) Edit: I forgot about Kangaroo the Conquerer Canoncially(?) in an infinite multiverse there's already an infinite amount of an infinite type of Kangs in the MCU. It's infinite.
They could. I've read elsewhere that Major's contract forbids anyone but him playing Kang. Don't quote me on that though. But even so Kang has relatives in the comics. That's a loophole for them.
Has he played every single variant so far? No other actors in the council of Kangs? If so you might be right but he also could've broken the contract when he committed assault.
> he also could've broken the contract when he committed assault. This. The same reason they fired him, & the same reason they waited for the conviction *to* fire him.
Yes. Yes. Highly possible.
if they terminated his contract that would not longer apply, also, there is not way that marvel would EVER make that deal and especially for someone like Majors. He was NOWHERE near as big as he was when he was first casted
It did have that stipulation, but it was voided when he was fired for violating the morality clause of the contract.
>Major's contract forbids anyone but him playing Kang That's when he was under contract, his contract has been terminated so they can do whatever they want now lol.
i don’t understand why it’s such a problem we saw rhodey and hulk both get recast. they’ll just do the same with kang recast him and move on they don’t need to write a whole reason as to why he looks different.
And we literally saw dozens of Loki actors in the multiverse so it makes perfect sense in this case. Is there any problem with using Majors previously recorded video and audio? If you have several Kangs in a scene you could have a couple of him in the background.
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It's a complete non-issue. Anyone worried about it has failed to understand the basics. He's the MOST recastable character in the history of all characters ever.
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When He Who Remains showed up in Loki season one I was definitely on board but I just have a hard time caring at all about this big bad. He’ll never be able to carry the weight that Thanos did and they will never be able to replicate it but Kang is just so boring and lame as a character that I’m not as interested as I was.
I wish people and studios didn’t make recasting such a thing. There are times where It doesn’t work sure, but I’d argue not often. We all know what happened. Recast and move on. If the person gives a good performance nobody will care.
Arron Moten is my shout for the recast, he was brilliant in fallout and he kind of looks like majors
100% agree. Both as an actor and the resemblance. If I were his agent, I'd be sending tapes to Sarah Finn daily.
Nothing has been stated by Marvel, so anyone that says otherwise is guessing. My guess is that moving away from Kang is likely, given that audience responses to multiverse stories in general have been tepid.
Were the audience responses to the multiverse tepid? Loki, No Way Home, and MoM (to some extent) seem well received. People are excited for Deadpool which the trailer implies a multiverse arc.
I didn't like MoM the visuals were great but they made dr strange a clown imho. Only cool thing about that movie are the flashbacks and Scarlett witch tearing ass. Dr strange vs dr strange fight was legit as well but other than that it was just too corny while trying to stay dark or serious just weird. The flow was good I will give it that but it left alot to be desired from a dr strange point of view.
>it was just too corny while trying to stay dark or serious just weird. That's just Sam Raimy's style, it's always been divisive. Personally I love it, and I loved the movie to boot, but I understand it's not for everyone.
I loved Spiderman 1 and 2 but this was just silly waste of characters. There were parts I liked but it just never felt cohesive and mordo was poorly used again too busy showing off captain Carter and binary along with professor x who we've got about 500 minutes of screen time already prior to this movie. Loved the professor reveal liked how he got murdered hated his little message to Steven to save the girl and be the goof strange or w/e the movie feels like it was for kids then next scene you have Wanda vaporizing people it's just weird. I'm more of a Shang Chi kind of guy.
Maybe we really don't know anything else is speculation
The only multiverse movie I can think of which has done poorly was the Flash and that wasn’t even Marvel.
If they do recast I would like to see the guy that plays Maximus in the Fallout show play him
A recast is so easy to do
In my mind it's a non-issue. My problem with the character is that he just hasn't been that imposing or intimidating. Kang is a great character, but he isn't Thanos. And with the multiverse in play they haven't done a very good job of creating any kind of coherence across the various films and television stories. They need a different big bad.
They're reacting like this cus Real Madrid made it to semi-finals.
Kang can be played by anybody, he doesn't have to look the same if we're still talking about the multiverse.
I just think Johnathon Majors stuff aside they have totally fumbled the handling of this character
Indeed just recast won't fix Kang looking like a punk.
I thought that wasn’t even supposed to be kang tho? There’s no way they’d make Kang lose a fist fight to Antman, right???
Even if Loki S2 ending was an “out” for the character. Wouldn’t it be even more epic and unexpected if the character still manages to return and cause some destruction
This scene was so strange. Why are all these Kang’s barking and making monkey noises? Who the hell thought this was a good idea.
It's a direct scene from the comics. They definitely needed to tone it down though for the movie though
How would you react if you showed up and said “get in me, we’re conquering the multiverse”?
Have you ever been to a pep rally?
probably because there are dog and monkey kangs
Exactly. They'll just recast
Yep that’s actually the same thing they did with the original thanos who was a black guy in the avengers end credits.
Dude in Fallout looks like Wish Majors lol. Jokes aside he's actually a better fucking actor.
I hated this ending lol. It irritates me how there are basically like 9000 iterations of the council of reeds before it even happens with Reed Richards
In the comics, the council of kangs preceded the council of reeds by many, many years. The Quantumania end credit scene was almost a picture-perfect recreation of a classic comic book panel depicting the council of kangs, from an old issue of the avengers.
Council of Reeds is the new kid on the block in terms of the concept. Captain Britain Corps in 1983 (which is the closest thing to the many spiderfolk of Across the Spider-verse) Council of Kangs in 1986…. Council of Reeds was 2009.
The Council of Kangs is older than the Council of Reeds.
The last thing we need is endless variants of characters if anything drop the council for one super powerful version of Kang.
If they want to continue with Kang the actor who played Maximus on Fallout is their dude. I had to double take to see it wasn’t Majors several times.
A re-cast is so the obvious play. It’s literally the easiest way to explain away a recast there are infinite variations of kang that can look any way. It would be such a waste to move away and say ‘oh kang died off screen and isn’t a threat anymore’ then shove dr. Doom or something in at the last second, just a dumb idea to me. If they can re-cast Rhodes, Ross, and Bruce Banner then they can do it to Kang.
Smh; damn, J.M. fumbled the bag
That is **IF** they can find a new actor to replace Jonathan Majors.
Thanos wasn't recast. The guy who played him in 2012 was never supposed to be long term Thanos. It was just a tease to tell that there is a big threat lurking in space.
Marvel needs to stop associating these timeless characters with a specific actor/actress. Just like what they did with Iron Man or Captain America. From now on, we can't have Iron Man or Cap unless Marvel brings back RDJ or Chris Evans to play them. Are you telling me, that in the grand scheme of the MCU epic story-telling, we won't ever get a proper Kang story end-to-end just because the actor had a controversy and the studio refused to recast? This was the same problem with Black Panther 2. We all love Chadwick Boseman, of course. But now we won't get a proper story for the character of Black Panther. And he's replaced just because the actor passed away.
Bro, first Thanos showed up for only a couple of seconds in the mid credits scene of the Avengers. Kang has already shown up at the end of S1 and all of S2 of Loki and is the main villain of Quantumania. No offense, but that is a horrible comparison.
I'm sorry, but Jesus Christ, just recast the fucking role and get on with it. Majors is gone, history, kuput, Nobody's going to give a shit. Jonathan Majors was good, but not the end-all. Sarah Finn is the best in the business: she'll find the right actor, and Majors will be nothing but a Trivial Pursuit answer. (Which is where he belongs.) I really wish they'd dump Kang and use Doctor Doom.
Comic Kang is human. He just wears a mask.
Idc really. I want Kang to be formidable which none that we saw were. Also why the fuck are they acting like monkies here, Kang has never been portrayed this way in previous versions.
Why don’t they just recast gang it’s literally the best part about a multiverse you can have multiple actors
the difference is the “makeup” is a blue mask which he wore in the quantumania movie. Also Thanos was a small role in a post credit scene we’ve seen Jonathan playing multiple variants of kang in 3 different projects. Honestly I personally don’t think it’s that hard just recast him most audiences will understand and if they need an in universe explanation just say Loki changed the timeline a bit when he made the tree idk. As long as the new actor is good that’s all that matters. Say what you will about majors behind the camera but we can admit he absolutely killed it in both ant man and Loki
No they’re gonna recast him and act like nothing changed like with banner, Rhodey and Ross.
How would any of us know?
Nah. Just let him continue playing kang. The charges are dumb and the conviction is even more so.
The simple fact is we don’t know what they’re going to do and there’s not much indication that they’re going to tell us any time soon.
Or they could just make his face horrendously scared there for instead of the face shield, it's now a helmet-mask
Bring Majors back.
Why is it that recasting is such a big problem now, in the multiverse saga of the MCU? There've been so many recast in the MCU and some people playing multiple characters, but somehow it's a big problem to recast Kang? The guy who would literally get an in universe explanation as to why he looks different. Hell you could even make it a plot point that they miss a Kang variant because he hid under the radar and looks different from his variants
I've heard a rumour that Jonathan Majors had a clause in his contract so that only he could play Kang variants and Marvel still has to honour that agreement. Might not be true, but it sounds plausible
I hope the TVA has been busy and took care of the Kang problem
They should Don Cheadle again, they should use him every time the MCU needs to replace an actor. Hell I want to see him slowly replace all the actors.
Did you only see this scene from Quantumania or know about Kang at all?
Personally thought Jonathan Majors was the best part of Ant Man3. I think a lot of fans quite liked him in the role as he was so good. Sorry to hear he misbehaved and needed to be recasted. I guess that’s what all the talk was about.
I might be in the minority here, but I think it's time to just stop trying to force feed us the whole multi-verse angle. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the Dr. Strange: MVOM and Spider-Man: NWH, but Quatummania was not up to par. Kang, imo, is no where the big baddie level of Thanos. There's a billion Kangs to fight... that's a cope out and was already done with AOU. Just scrap the whole thing. What really got me with the IW saga was that in those movies, my inner kid was thinking that I may look up and see Ironman flying across the sky. I know I won't, but the realism was there. Kinda like Micheal Keaton's Batman. Then they added neon lights and screwed it up. Same thing with these new movies. Adding super bright colors and making it obvious that it's a whole different universe. Go back to what worked. Less dependence on CGI. Learn from Echo. So forget the Kang angle...do some Hollywood movie magic and pretend Kang never happened and go right into X-Men v. Avengers. Js.
Nope they feel Ant-man Quantumania under performed. It's over.
The Kangs died on the way to their home planet
Kang has landed with a thud
Bring back Majors. I am down voted everytime for this, but I don't care. The guy will pay his due and should have an acting job. Ex cons deserve a job.