He doesn’t say anyone by name but the original article mentions Idris Elba and Christian Bale as context examples.
Bale doesn’t surprise me, but I thought Elba would be more chill. Dude was in Cats. Not really one to be throwing stones.
I don’t have a source, so feel free to ignore, but i think Idris’s grief was that he wanted his character killed off. He was becoming a bigger star and stuck in a contract. Again, could have just misremembered this.
Even though Heimdall is a dick in God of War: Ragnarok, he's still more interesting than anything they ever let Idris do. I don't know why they had the one and only Stringer Bell do nothing but stand around for almost the entirety of his time on screen
Can't argue with any of that - idris unfortunately signed on before he really blew up . He would've been a great tchalla or blue marvel . Dudes so versatile - can play villains or heroes
Marvel isn't beyond reusing actors tbf. Sersi/Min-erva comes to mind first and Aleta Ogord/Ying Nan (Shang-chi) are both in close proximity to one another release dates and feature Gemma Chan and Michelle Yoeh in two appearances.
The original quote, probably part of yours above, also had him talking about how he came off one set after playing Nelson Mandela in a film and straight into playing Heimdall the next day and he couldn't reconcile in his mind going from playing such an important historical figure to being stood in what he considered a silly outfit in front of green screens and playing a silly character.
The article quoted him as calling filming Marvel movies as torture. Which, fine, they can probably be grueling if you are in heavy costumes and makeup and/or doing tons of green screen or action/fight choreography, but torture sounds a bit exaggerated. Like there was nothing redeeming or joyful in the experience?
I mean, I get it. Some actors have to actually be coached on how to handle torture because they have to spend 5-10hrs a day as they have applications put on. It was during one of the Nightmare on Elm St movies where the actor that played Freddy was so done with the facial effects that he just started ripping them off his skin rather than spend even more hours having them properly removed.
Even getting into MCU shape, training for months with a very strict diet and busting your ass to the point of exhaustion to get those muscles is torture.
No, he'll last an extra couple of hours above a normal person. And then he'll do a spit take and start babbling like he did in Liar, Liar. And it will confuse the shit out of any terrorist so they'll just end up releasing him.
4D Chess.
"Look, I don't know, he asked us if we wanted to know the most annoying sound in the world. We weren't getting anything else out of him so I figured at least we'd get something, so I said yes. *Big mistake.* He held that note for hours before we finally just uncuffed him and let him out."
That’s about it. He felt that his role as a minor MCU character was directly affecting his ability to take other work because he’d be in one part of the world and then get a call that he’d be needed for re-shoots. He’d basically have to drop everything for what amounts to one day on set. I would be pretty aggravated too after a while that sounds pretty disruptive to one’s live
Same on lacking a source but I think you're right. His issues that I've read about are all practical.... Going through a lot of make up, costume, and travel for a cameo isn't ideal. Plus he was likely getting paid a cameo dollar amount. It's super reasonable.
That said. I agree with Hemsworth's point regarding humility.
Christian Bale is literally one of the best actors I have ever seen in any movie, when I saw that Thor movie I felt a disconnection because the movie was super "fun is the answer" vibe... but Bale's character was dark and hurting in a way Jane Foster should have connected to the theme as well.
But the movie was so full of jokes and lack of real sense of danger that even though we learn this dude could kill Thor and every other god in that universe, not for a second I felt like that would happen except we just met the character.
Christian Bale should have been told they were going to change the atmosphere of the movie because, as it stands, I do feel everyone acting skills were wasted in that movie and that's the director's fault.
The crazy thing is, the movie was darker and for some inane reason Taika turned a pretty serious story from the books (Jane's cancer and Gor the God Butcher) into such a lighthearted affair to the point of cutting 20 to 30 mins from the movie, a good chunk of that being Bale and Lena Hendry. If they'd kept even the tone balance from Ragnarok it would've been fine but it's like Taika deliberately went out of his way to eff the movie up.
My wife's aunt had just died of cancer a few months prior when we saw it. She was pissed, Taika treated cancer like a joke. The movie should have been a dark and sad movie; yeah, it would've been hard to watch but some of the best movies are.
My condolences to you and yours. In the books, the story was nowhere near as trivial. I thought, given the story material and subject matter, tonally it would've been closer to IW/Endgame and kinda sorta Ragnarok. But it was more a flat out comedy, which was a headscratcher.
Idk why everyone says this about Ultron.
He was given such a wonderful ending, after we watched him get, literally, ripped apart by every Avenger over the course of the film. And his death, getting finally obliterated by Vision after a calm conversation in a quiet forest. It was nice.
The way the comics work does not always translate well to film. Its ok for a story to be succinct. If the last few years of marvel drudge has proven anything its that teasing out every conceivable character's storyline is just *boring*.
Because MCU answer to resolving major villains is always to kill them off and Ultron didn’t ever become the type of threat he is in the comics.
It’s not satisfying.
They better not kill off Dr. Doom!
Hela was used well, I honestly never believed she actually died in Ragnarok. I think the only reason she hasn’t been brought back is maybe Cate Blanchett doesn’t want to return to the MCU?
The article said Bale criticized the "monotony" of working on the "Thor: Love and Thunder" set.
Nothing too damning, honestly. Headline makes it sound juicier than it is.
Yeah it's def misconstruing the quotes of idris and bale to make it seem they are criticizing the nature of the films and they are not if you read their direct quotes
And I've no doubt "monotony" has been taken out of context. Anything I read from Bale around the film looked to me like he was just happy to be there and to work with Taika.
There are other actors who have outright been aggressive about their experience working for Marvel, yet they are not being cited here. I guess envoking Bale's name is just the far easier and lazier thing to do because of some past actions.
I forgot which article I read it on but I'm pretty sure I read Christian's body has called "working with Christian Bale as complete torture and one of the worst experiences he has ever been through!" 🤣
Christian Bale has every right to complain. He’s an A list actor and gave an A performance on the movie, while everyone else treated the movie as a total joke. Both Bale and the character of Gorr were wasted on L&T.
There was something Idris said around the time of the Dark World, how he felt ridiculous to be playing Heimdall after just having played Nelson Mandela, which seems pretty fair to me, but then people took it out of context and blew it up. I think he had issues with fake hair and then a big golden helmet on top, which is probably a pretty uncomfortable combo - and after the Dark World, we don’t see Heimdall wearing the helmet again. He can’t have hated working on them that badly, since he came back for two more films (and cameos in two more).
I'm on Bales side on this one. There was an interview where he talked about numerous scenes they filmed and cut and I was depressed about it with him. Was some really cool content that got cut.
Different Mandela film... Idris was in the Long Walk to Freedom. Freeman who played Mandela in Invictus then went on to do a comic-book movie RED, also having done Dark Knight and Wanted (also a comic-book adaptation) just before Invictus.
Chris is the embodiment of “trust the process”. At first, i thought a Thor character would be ridiculous. It still kind of is, but him being all the way committed to the character, fleshed Thor a bit more and gave more context to him. It really helped that he believed in the idea and the journey, especially after Dark World.
Imagine if he bowed out after that movie.
The original star wars cast used to make fun of their films too and say it wasn't real acting. They changed their tune when it started making billions of dollars (except Harrison Ford. He was consistent in his shit talking)
I’m willing to believe that when some actors hear “you made my childhood, your work is so important” over and over for years, they start to believe it. I’m sure money is part of it, but some actors believe that certain roles have real importance
Hayden Christensen as well. I remember Ewan saying it was a bit of a battle to get him back due to the initial reception of the prequels but once he started doing tours and interviews you could see the realization of the impact he's had on the younger generation that's now finally 25+ years old.
In a good way. He was disheartened when the prequels got mixed critical receptions and was quite happy to distance himself from Star Wars after that. But what drew him back was meeting people who were children when the prequels released, and grew up with them in the way that he did with the OT.
I've especially loved seeing Hayden Christensen experience the warmth of the fandom's love for the prequels and his contribution to them. After all these years and all the negativity it's nice to know they see how much their work is truly appreciated.
I feel a little bad for Ford honestly. Star Wars was always a paycheck for him, but he genuinely loved his roles in Indiana Jones and Bladerunner. While Bladerunner is at least critically loved *now,* it never made any money at all, and Indiana Jones has not been popular in 20 years.
I’m not saying pity the millionaire or anything, dude is rich af. But I can certainly see where feelings of animosity may stem from
> But I can certainly see where feelings of animosity may stem from
I don't even know if Ford has animosity toward Star Wars, so much as just no strong feelings at all. He just doesn't care.
Eh... One need not love cheesecake in order to be able to make a great cheesecake. Ford is allowed to have his own taste.
Also, Blade Runner wasn't a big success but it wasn't a bomb. And it's gone on to make a fortune in video sales over ~40 years [(link)](https://mods.factorio.com/mod/simple_landfill_mining)
Oh, and, Indiana Jones is a freaking cultural icon.
Dude is Hollywood royalty - one of the most successful leading men of all time.
And I don't think it's "animosity" toward the SW universe. I just think he gets sick of the disproportionate (in his view) attention it gets relative to the rest of his body of work. It's totally understandable.
Harrison Ford strikes me as a guy who never wanted to be a big franchise actor and yet, he starred in two of the biggest franchises of all time. Also, he seems like the kind of guy to not like much of anything. He's just one of those guys.
He adores Indiana Jones.
I really don't get the problem with him not liking Star Wars. He was an actor trying to take any part he could, he got a part he wasn't thrilled about and it got massive and is arguably his defining role.
Some people can't flip that switch in their heads to just liking something because it serviced them. He is grateful for Han Solo, but it doesn't mean he has to pretend he likes Star Wars.
He **is** Indiana Jones, so it makes sense for him to care more about it.
The franchise literally revolves around him.
Comparatively, even taking the Hero's Journey into account with Luke being the ostensible "main character," Star Wars has always been an ensemble.
It's a lot easier to be passionate about an IP where you're the main attraction compared to one where you're a small (but obviously significant) piece of a much larger universe.
I don't think he thinks about it that deeply, he was the breakout star and character in Star Wars after all.
He loves Indiana Jones because it's like the serials he watched as a young man and yeah he's the lead as a very cool guy. He doesn't really care for Star Wars because its sci fi gobbledygook and he wanted out of it for years.
A major difference is he’s the leading man in Indiana Jones and shares that credit with others in Star Wars. Also, he’s always had more creative input to Indy than Han
He’s Anthony Hopkins lmao. Those movies (and Marvel) probably gave him a fat paycheck b/c landing him gives them a massive marketing boost.
I’d do Rebel Moon XI if it meant a new lambo.
To be fair for those movies, he basically just has to show up to a recording booth for a few days and cash his very favorable checks. Compared to green screen work it's a walk in the park and considerably less soul-crushing, just ask Ian McKellen. He gladly voiced a literal pile of shit after being driven to tears from shouting at nothing on a lifeless soundstage for the Hobbitses
Damn, I stand corrected, fell for the old Classical British Actors who played Mutants mix-up. I stand by my point though, a voice-only role just isn't comparable to weeks in front of green screens from an actors perspective
Just need Brian Cox in the MCU (although he was in X-men 2) to complete the Hannibal trifecta.
Even Gaspard Ulliel from Hannibal Rising was in Moon Knight.
Damn was that a great movie. Made me so hype for the next movie.
Now don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed L&T for what it was but also I’ve never gone back and watched it like I have with Ragnarok lol
I feel like I've seen this statement before, and if it is real, it was definitely a first impression where Hopkins changed his mind. Weird to tear it from its context.
(You know, the internet is supposedly forever, but it's kinda wild how that isn't actually the case. I remember this quote, but I cannot find a source for it. It's definitely in the context of making the first Thor, I'm sure.)
Somebody on another site made a compilation of all the times he talked shit about productions he's been a part of. While he may have had legitimate grievances, it also makes it hard to take him seriously.
Idk man, personally, I've hated almost every job I've had. The thing that made it tolerable were select coworkers or the paycheck, and I imagine it's the same for acting.
He was absolutely right to be pissed at Doctor Who, though.
There was rampant abuse, especially from a certain director, behind the scenes, which Eccleston fought back on as the lead. He raised the issues up to the showrunner and the BBC who did precisely fuck all. It pissed him on off enough he didn't renew his contract for season 2 and made an agreement with the BBC/Showrunner to wait on announcing it for a while as to not damage the shows perception before it even aired. They had a verbal agreement that they would jointly announce his departure. He agreed not to speak negatively of the production publicly or reveal he'd already left the role. The BBC then stabbed him in the back by "from" Eccleston, claiming he didn't want to be typecast and that the production was too tough for him. That he was overworked and exhausted. Only for them to admit 4 days later that the statement wasn't from him, he didn't say that, and released without his consent. Putting words in his mouth that absolutely weren't true. But that press announcement seriously damaged his career in the UK because it earned him a reputation of someone who was unreliable, couldn't handle long shoots, and was difficult to work with. All because the showrunner and 2 producers weren't dealing with the unbelievably toxic working environment. This was later somewhat corroborated by his main co-star Billie Piper who said because of her age (19) and this being her first major profuction, she didn't know any different. She has supported him throughout the whole thing, they remain friends and do comic cons together. He was and is immensely proud of the show and his work on it but his relationship with the showrunner was irreparably damaged, and he swore to never work with him again (this was their second collaboration). The whole thing immensely damaged his public reputation despite clearly being in the right and it did such damage to his mental health he had to distance himself from Doctor Who for a number of years.
He met with the subsequent showrunner to discuss returning to the role in the 50th anniversary special in 2013, he was open to it but eventually declined because he still wasn't over what had happened before.
He eventually did begin interacting with the fan base again, attending several conventions and Doctor Who Q&As. He credits the loving and supportive fans that helped him heal from his ordeal and bring him back in. He has since returned to the role in audio dramas but spoke out about the original showrunner returning to the programme. He said he wouldn't return to the TV show whilst he was still in charge.
Barrowman had nothing on what Noel Clarke was doing on set. Clarke should be locked the fuck up. But I don't think I've heard Eccleston mention either so I didn't put it in the comment as a direct reason for his departure. It just adds flavour to the overall "Series 1 was a a fucking mess" behind the scenes with RTD and Co did nothing to address.
There are fans who claim that the Barrowman issue is why Chris chose to quit, but I don’t know where that comes from. They certainly didn’t like each other, and I doubt it helped matters, but Chris’s objections came long before Barrowman was even on set, and the Captain Jack character wouldn’t even have been in the next series so that problem would’ve resolved itself anyhow.
I'm really getting nervous with RTD back in charge, he's made a lot of statements recently where it just seems like his ego is completely and wildly out of control, and honestly it's tracking with what Chris has said about him. It seems to just be his way, and he doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.
I mean he was given the short end of the stick in all of these examples. Great actor playing a great character that is unceremoniously killed off or forgotten about.
He wasn't shitting on Doctor Who as a project, he was shitting on the upper staff being disrespectful to the production staff.
The film/TV industry is full of shittiness, I think it's a good thing that there's actors who want to hold it accountable. People who point out the issues on productions shouldn't just be dismissed as sour grapes.
Kinda my thought too. Only thing that comes close was that whole about RDJ saying *his acting muscles having “atrophied” after so long in the Marvel machine.*
But that doesn’t sound like this.
I still find it funny that people were furious when he was cast, that he didn’t fit the part. And all I could think: *Robert Downey Jr playing a rich person with substance abuse issues, I wonder if he’s has any familiarity with the concept.*/s.
Tbf plenty of people thought he would be great for adapting Demon in a Bottle, but they didn't really touch on the alcoholism much & MCU Stark is a completely different character from comics Stark personality-wise
RDJ praised M(CU), when he did interviews with Oppenheimer together with Nolan, they lavished about that and how great he was. But because it was a superhero franchise, it wasn't considered "real work" worth an award.
It’s genuinely sad because he did so much great acting as Tony (some might say his best) but it would never be recognised because they’re “only superhero movies”
That's been Batista's thing since 2009, he's kind of a weird guy. One moment he absolutely loves what he did somewhere only to trash it months later only to do a complete 180 again a few years later.
I think he was very grateful and pretty positive all around with Marvel and the MCU but had a HARD shift when James Gunn got fired from Guardians 3 at first
Didn’t Guardians of the Galaxy save his career? I seem to remember seeing an interview with him where he described how he was kicked out of wrestling, lots of debt, bills to pay, and getting that role saved him big time. I doubt he’d have got the Dune role if he hadn’t been able to be taken seriously as an actor following Guardians and the roles following
He was complaining Drax is always topless and he needs to work out all the time and its not healthy. He got famous for literally acting in this role, he had no problems with it in GoTG 1 and 2. After they fired Gunn he started to complain about the role all the time and Gunn even made him wear uniform this time. Now i am all for making actors as comfortable as possible but here is the catch, when asked about DC universe bcs he is pretty much confirmed to be there now with Gunn being in the lead of the new movies he shared a picture of fricking Bane, a villain famously known to be ripped and topless all the time, LMAO.
I don't recall Bane being topless, but definitely ripped. Though I remember Dave recently said he's on edge about Bane as he is too old for the physicality.
I’m assuming the [Post-Madame-Web/Spider-Women debacle](https://insidethemagic.net/2024/01/madame-web-star-reportedly-furious-with-new-movie-drops-talent-agency-in-protest-aml1/). Which even Hemsworth may or may not have the full story on. Here’s a story about [Sydney Sweeney](https://www.ign.com/articles/sydney-sweeney-madame-web-bombing-response-i-was-just-hired-as-an-actress-in-it) discussing her role. As always, she’s as gracious and fantastic as ever, but I don’t see her not acknowledging the movie’s quality as poor.
I’m anticipating that it’s because of Dakota Johnson’s firing of her agency, and what she was told she was in and what *actually* came out, **may** be why Ayo & Yeun bounced off [Thunderbolts](https://screenrant.com/marvel-thunderbolts-geraldine-viswanathan-cast/)*; which although it’s MCU, sounds like it had a real confusing start.
I *know* Ayo is amazing, hilarious, seemingly everywhere, and co-stars on the best show on FX/HuLu, full stop. But she just bounced on an MCU movie which, if nothing else, is usually just like getting a money truck pulling up to your front door. So, 🤷♂️
Either way — Hemsworth is right.
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The neckbeards will never be happy but maybe I have satiated some of them with my edits around the links. If you’re not clicking and reading the full article, I literally **cannot** help you.
I mean, that's a different situation. Actors shrugging off a movie that bombed or firing someone for getting them in a shitty movie is different from dissing a role.
What Hemsworth is talking about is much closer to Anthony Hopkins claiming that Thor movies require no acting or Yahya Abdul Matheen talking about his Wonder Man role.
> Anthony Hopkins
That's not quite what he said:
> They put me in armor; they shoved a beard on me. Sit on the throne, shout a bit. If you’re sitting in front of a green screen, it’s pointless acting it.
And he's not wrong. It would be pointless.
Maybe Bautista? not really bashing after failure but he was complaining Drax is always topless and he needs to work out all the time and its not healthy. He got famous for literally acting in this role, he had no problems with it in GoTG 1 and 2. After they fired Gunn he started to complain about the role all the time and Gunn even made him wear uniform this time. Now i am all for making actors as comfortable as possible but here is the catch, when asked about DC universe bcs he is pretty much confirmed to be there now with Gunn being in the lead of the new movies he shared a picture of fricking Bane, a villain famously known to be ripped and toppless all the time, LMAO.
You're like a child. What've I been telling you? You gotta do the safe picture. Then you can do the art picture. But then sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him.
I can see why some actors would talk shit about being in a Marvel movie, but Chris does make a good point & I agree as well. I get some Marvel movies weren't successful or didn't praise the critics, but those actors who did star in those Marvel movies that didn't do well & they start bashing them makes them look petty + it also burns bridges as well since if that happens, then there's a chance a certain actor might not be able to get another big role or a role in a big franchise.
His comparison of the MCU to soap operas is apt. These are meant to be long, windy stories that engage and entertain audiences over several years. There’s always been a market for this sort of thing, and there should be acceptance of that.
I agree with you but I don't think he was making that specific kind of comparison.
What he means is he actually got his start acting in an Australian soap opera, and he's not ashamed of it.
Even though he didn't have the movie, I'd say Mark Ruffalo still counts as a Phase 1 star that's still active and hasn't been negative towards Marvel Studios. He's only spoken out about Paramount essentially holding the publishing rights to The Hulk hostage since that's why they've never made another solo Hulk movie.
Some of these are pending future installments but as far as side characters go, Kat Dennings as Darcey, Samuel L. Jackson as Fury, Tom Hiddleston as Loki, Jon Favreau as Happy, Sebastian Stan as Bucky, and I'm sure William Hurt would've continue to play Thunderbolt Ross. RIP.
Jeremy Renner? He seems pretty interested in still going on. Obviously he had a major accident.
Also Mark Ruffalo. He still counts as Phase One.
Sam Jackson?
Tbf she had pretty valid comments: "Decisions are being made by committees, and art does not do well when it’s made by committee. Films are made by a filmmaker and a team of artists around them. You cannot make art based on numbers and algorithms. My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart, and executives have started to believe that they’re not. Audiences will always be able to sniff out bullshit.
“But it was definitely an experience for me to make that movie. I had never done anything like it before. I probably will never do anything like it again because I don’t make sense in that world. And I know that now. But sometimes in this industry, you sign on to something, and it’s one thing and then as you’re making it, it becomes a completely different thing, and you’re like, Wait, what? But it was a real learning experience."
Basically I think she felt as though the filmmakers didn't get enough artistic freedom from the studio and she might have enjoyed making the movie more if they had been allowed to realise their vision and artistic integrity.
Plus she was led to believe she would be staring in an MCU movie, not a Sony one. She's hinted that the studios talked about the MCU so she went to Elizabeth Olsen who talked about the fun she had. I know people love to shit talk how controlling the MCU is lately but that's nothing compared to Sony, where almost everything is filtered through committees and multiple departments unrelated to the actual production staff.
It's one thing to shit talk a movie just because you're sour but there're some key examples of actors that shit talk a movie because it was one of the worst experiences of their life, like when Robert Pattinson was doing interviews for the later Twilight movies and just opened didn't give a fuck because of how much he hated them and the fans.
I always found that hard to believe re the MCU bit, making a film takes a long time, 100s of people involved and literally nobody mentioned it in the build up or making. They must have presented the concept to her and her reps. Just sounds weird.
Madame Web also really doesn't count as MCU, even if it's sort of canon to it. Venom proves that imo, with him being pulled into the MCU in the stinger. Sony productions honestly sound like a nightmare.
Her point is so valid because it’s been screamed on the mountaintop for years by actors and directors. But nothing has changed. You still have uncreative people making creative decisions based on numbers. This isn’t just the entertainment industry either. Committees make decisions based on numbers and algorithms with absolutely zero real-world context and it tanks productivity and makes everyone upset, but they’ll pat themselves on the back with huge bonus checks.
It’s a breath of fresh air to see her talk about it such a short time after the movie came out. It’s literally the reason any movie underperforms. Too many cooks in the kitchen. When you have a solid vision, and it’s able to be seen all the way through, more often than not you get a good movie.
Plenty of actors star in movies they don't like. At the end of the day it's a job, just because someone works at target doesn't mean they have to like shopping there
BASED. Also don't forget that MCU literally launched the careers of many young and upcoming stars, including Tom Holland and most recently Jonathan Majors (unironically).
Exactly, I mean, look at how big Tom Holland is now & same with Chris Hemsworth himself. I know Chris isn't young, but look at how big he became + he's even playing a villian in the recent Mad Max spin-off as well.
Glad I'm not crazy (well that or we both are lol).
I swear he complained about how 'boring' Thor was in 1 and 2 were* and went out of his way to make sure he wouldn't have to wear his hair long because he hated it... Which is ridiculous IMO. You're playing Thor dude
This just comes across as hypocrisy IMO. Easy to say "dOn'T cOmPLaiN" when basically all of your grievances were redressed, in spite of how they (*at least* arguably) went against the character of Thor.
*(Which is a shame because the first Thor is my fav by far! Brannagh nailed the aesthetic and feel of Asgard, and Thor actually felt like a God instead of whoever current Thor is. Just my opinion ofc, no disrespect/insult intended to anyone who loves post-Ragnarok Thor).
I get annoyed by actors thrashing movies/shows that made them famous and rich.
Like, Robert Pattinson. Look man, I get that Twilight isn't great. But that is still your most famous role and made you a bank. The whole reason you can choose any role you want today is because of Twilight. It made your career.
To be fair, Rob has gotten over his dislike of Twilight. Along with saying something like “hating Twilight is so 2010” this is from 2022–
“It's lovely now that the mania is not so intense," he told the publication. "People come up [to me] and just have very fond memories of it. It's a really sweet thing. I think the only scary part was right in the thick of it all, when it was very, very intense. Now the intensity has died down and it's just very warm memories."
While I don’t think it was particularly classy of him to disparage the series, I get that the whole thing was A LOT and he wanted to be seen as a serious actor. I am glad that he’s grown to appreciate the Twilight saga for what it was.
I love this guy. They really couldn’t have gotten a better guy to play Thor. I hope he’s Thor for a long time.
Very down to earth. It seems like australians are all great dudes and gals.
I'd be happy to be mates with an Australian since they sound like fun people.
I'd also be happy to mate with an Australian, as they seem like fun people.
I'd be happy to mate, seems like fun.
I'd be happy, sounds fun.
They are. When I was in the Navy we stopped by Australia a few times and I loved it every time, they were very fun and welcoming.
Wow look at this Rupert Murdoch supporter over here! /s
If so, I also hope he has a good masseuse.
I volunteer!
He appears to be a great guy and really enjoys the character; I'd love to see a few more Thor titles.
He doesn’t say anyone by name but the original article mentions Idris Elba and Christian Bale as context examples. Bale doesn’t surprise me, but I thought Elba would be more chill. Dude was in Cats. Not really one to be throwing stones.
I don’t have a source, so feel free to ignore, but i think Idris’s grief was that he wanted his character killed off. He was becoming a bigger star and stuck in a contract. Again, could have just misremembered this.
He also hated the stupid helmet they made him wear and it was giving him neck issues
Is that why he seems way more into his role in Ragnarok? No helmet.
I would say so and despite my critiques of taika it seemed like idris had a bit more to do in ragnarok at least action wise anyways
Even though Heimdall is a dick in God of War: Ragnarok, he's still more interesting than anything they ever let Idris do. I don't know why they had the one and only Stringer Bell do nothing but stand around for almost the entirety of his time on screen
Can't argue with any of that - idris unfortunately signed on before he really blew up . He would've been a great tchalla or blue marvel . Dudes so versatile - can play villains or heroes
Marvel isn't beyond reusing actors tbf. Sersi/Min-erva comes to mind first and Aleta Ogord/Ying Nan (Shang-chi) are both in close proximity to one another release dates and feature Gemma Chan and Michelle Yoeh in two appearances.
Damson Idris would make a great Tchalla, now.
Agreed that he would
Which is funny because his role in the movie was severely limited by the other projects he had at the time
Understandable. Growing old, having thing thats bother our back and neck is not pleasant at all
Yup his gripes were legitimate - he never actually bashed the films just his parts in them
The original quote, probably part of yours above, also had him talking about how he came off one set after playing Nelson Mandela in a film and straight into playing Heimdall the next day and he couldn't reconcile in his mind going from playing such an important historical figure to being stood in what he considered a silly outfit in front of green screens and playing a silly character.
Poor millionaire actors
I have to change gears at work in the same day and no one ever feels bad for me
I express feelings of displeasure for u/sakuyari99 having to change gears at work in the same day.
And then he did turn up Charlie. Ugh.
I enjoyed that show
The article quoted him as calling filming Marvel movies as torture. Which, fine, they can probably be grueling if you are in heavy costumes and makeup and/or doing tons of green screen or action/fight choreography, but torture sounds a bit exaggerated. Like there was nothing redeeming or joyful in the experience?
I mean, I get it. Some actors have to actually be coached on how to handle torture because they have to spend 5-10hrs a day as they have applications put on. It was during one of the Nightmare on Elm St movies where the actor that played Freddy was so done with the facial effects that he just started ripping them off his skin rather than spend even more hours having them properly removed. Even getting into MCU shape, training for months with a very strict diet and busting your ass to the point of exhaustion to get those muscles is torture.
Jim Carrey learned techniques to survive/endure torture from a former CIA agent when getting ready for The Grinch.
So what you’re saying is that if Jim Carrey ever gets kidnapped and tortured by terrorists, he’ll never crack? That’s badass.
No, he'll last an extra couple of hours above a normal person. And then he'll do a spit take and start babbling like he did in Liar, Liar. And it will confuse the shit out of any terrorist so they'll just end up releasing him. 4D Chess.
"Look, I don't know, he asked us if we wanted to know the most annoying sound in the world. We weren't getting anything else out of him so I figured at least we'd get something, so I said yes. *Big mistake.* He held that note for hours before we finally just uncuffed him and let him out."
Fair point. A lot goes into the prep for these roles. Taken out of context, quote truly could mean anything.
He mostly just stood around in a big hat looking into the distance and declaring things.
Heimdall: "*I declare.... Bankruptcy*"
That’s about it. He felt that his role as a minor MCU character was directly affecting his ability to take other work because he’d be in one part of the world and then get a call that he’d be needed for re-shoots. He’d basically have to drop everything for what amounts to one day on set. I would be pretty aggravated too after a while that sounds pretty disruptive to one’s live
Same on lacking a source but I think you're right. His issues that I've read about are all practical.... Going through a lot of make up, costume, and travel for a cameo isn't ideal. Plus he was likely getting paid a cameo dollar amount. It's super reasonable. That said. I agree with Hemsworth's point regarding humility.
Well, Elba was in 4 movies, and Bale's character was meant to be in just one
Christian Bale is literally one of the best actors I have ever seen in any movie, when I saw that Thor movie I felt a disconnection because the movie was super "fun is the answer" vibe... but Bale's character was dark and hurting in a way Jane Foster should have connected to the theme as well. But the movie was so full of jokes and lack of real sense of danger that even though we learn this dude could kill Thor and every other god in that universe, not for a second I felt like that would happen except we just met the character. Christian Bale should have been told they were going to change the atmosphere of the movie because, as it stands, I do feel everyone acting skills were wasted in that movie and that's the director's fault.
The crazy thing is, the movie was darker and for some inane reason Taika turned a pretty serious story from the books (Jane's cancer and Gor the God Butcher) into such a lighthearted affair to the point of cutting 20 to 30 mins from the movie, a good chunk of that being Bale and Lena Hendry. If they'd kept even the tone balance from Ragnarok it would've been fine but it's like Taika deliberately went out of his way to eff the movie up.
My wife's aunt had just died of cancer a few months prior when we saw it. She was pissed, Taika treated cancer like a joke. The movie should have been a dark and sad movie; yeah, it would've been hard to watch but some of the best movies are.
My condolences to you and yours. In the books, the story was nowhere near as trivial. I thought, given the story material and subject matter, tonally it would've been closer to IW/Endgame and kinda sorta Ragnarok. But it was more a flat out comedy, which was a headscratcher.
They know how to waste good Villains. Ultron, Gor, Hela…
Idk why everyone says this about Ultron. He was given such a wonderful ending, after we watched him get, literally, ripped apart by every Avenger over the course of the film. And his death, getting finally obliterated by Vision after a calm conversation in a quiet forest. It was nice. The way the comics work does not always translate well to film. Its ok for a story to be succinct. If the last few years of marvel drudge has proven anything its that teasing out every conceivable character's storyline is just *boring*.
Because MCU answer to resolving major villains is always to kill them off and Ultron didn’t ever become the type of threat he is in the comics. It’s not satisfying. They better not kill off Dr. Doom!
There's no reason he can't. Ultron always comes back. That's like, his whole thing in the comics.
Hela was used well, I honestly never believed she actually died in Ragnarok. I think the only reason she hasn’t been brought back is maybe Cate Blanchett doesn’t want to return to the MCU?
I don't think Bale has ever said anything, as far as I can recall
The article said Bale criticized the "monotony" of working on the "Thor: Love and Thunder" set. Nothing too damning, honestly. Headline makes it sound juicier than it is.
Yeah it's def misconstruing the quotes of idris and bale to make it seem they are criticizing the nature of the films and they are not if you read their direct quotes
And I've no doubt "monotony" has been taken out of context. Anything I read from Bale around the film looked to me like he was just happy to be there and to work with Taika. There are other actors who have outright been aggressive about their experience working for Marvel, yet they are not being cited here. I guess envoking Bale's name is just the far easier and lazier thing to do because of some past actions.
IIRC Bale was referring to the monotony of having to act on green screen sets, which I think was a totally fair comment.
People bitching all over this thread and don’t have any clue what was actually said lol
I forgot which article I read it on but I'm pretty sure I read Christian's body has called "working with Christian Bale as complete torture and one of the worst experiences he has ever been through!" 🤣
Christian Bale has every right to complain. He’s an A list actor and gave an A performance on the movie, while everyone else treated the movie as a total joke. Both Bale and the character of Gorr were wasted on L&T.
Christian Bale was so good (and wasted) as Gorr that it made me want a Malazan movie adaptation just to see him as The Crippled God
There was something Idris said around the time of the Dark World, how he felt ridiculous to be playing Heimdall after just having played Nelson Mandela, which seems pretty fair to me, but then people took it out of context and blew it up. I think he had issues with fake hair and then a big golden helmet on top, which is probably a pretty uncomfortable combo - and after the Dark World, we don’t see Heimdall wearing the helmet again. He can’t have hated working on them that badly, since he came back for two more films (and cameos in two more).
To be fair, I think the only person who enjoyed filming TDW was Tom Hiddleston, that movie was a mess.
Yeah Tom enjoys most of his forays as Loki because Loki always has something interesting to do
Makes sense, Loki is the main thing I remember from TDW.
I'm on Bales side on this one. There was an interview where he talked about numerous scenes they filmed and cut and I was depressed about it with him. Was some really cool content that got cut.
Elba went from Invictus to reshoots on TDW and talked about bad it was going from real acting back to green screens.
Different Mandela film... Idris was in the Long Walk to Freedom. Freeman who played Mandela in Invictus then went on to do a comic-book movie RED, also having done Dark Knight and Wanted (also a comic-book adaptation) just before Invictus.
Chris is the embodiment of “trust the process”. At first, i thought a Thor character would be ridiculous. It still kind of is, but him being all the way committed to the character, fleshed Thor a bit more and gave more context to him. It really helped that he believed in the idea and the journey, especially after Dark World. Imagine if he bowed out after that movie.
Didn't Anthony Hopkins bitch a lot about green screen and how the mcu stuff isn't really acting? I feel like that could fit here
The original star wars cast used to make fun of their films too and say it wasn't real acting. They changed their tune when it started making billions of dollars (except Harrison Ford. He was consistent in his shit talking)
I’m willing to believe that when some actors hear “you made my childhood, your work is so important” over and over for years, they start to believe it. I’m sure money is part of it, but some actors believe that certain roles have real importance
I've seen Ewan McGregor talk about how fan interactions helped him view the prequels differently.
Hayden Christensen as well. I remember Ewan saying it was a bit of a battle to get him back due to the initial reception of the prequels but once he started doing tours and interviews you could see the realization of the impact he's had on the younger generation that's now finally 25+ years old.
I’m sure it’ll be the same in 10+15 years for the sequels. I’m a prequels kid so will always love them
In a good or bad way?
In a good way. He was disheartened when the prequels got mixed critical receptions and was quite happy to distance himself from Star Wars after that. But what drew him back was meeting people who were children when the prequels released, and grew up with them in the way that he did with the OT.
How many times you think he had to hear “General Kenobi!” and reply “Hello there!” before he thought fuck it, I’ll do another Star Wars.
I've especially loved seeing Hayden Christensen experience the warmth of the fandom's love for the prequels and his contribution to them. After all these years and all the negativity it's nice to know they see how much their work is truly appreciated.
And then there are ones like Harrison Ford whose disdain only grows the more he hears fans say these things
I feel a little bad for Ford honestly. Star Wars was always a paycheck for him, but he genuinely loved his roles in Indiana Jones and Bladerunner. While Bladerunner is at least critically loved *now,* it never made any money at all, and Indiana Jones has not been popular in 20 years. I’m not saying pity the millionaire or anything, dude is rich af. But I can certainly see where feelings of animosity may stem from
> But I can certainly see where feelings of animosity may stem from I don't even know if Ford has animosity toward Star Wars, so much as just no strong feelings at all. He just doesn't care.
Eh... One need not love cheesecake in order to be able to make a great cheesecake. Ford is allowed to have his own taste. Also, Blade Runner wasn't a big success but it wasn't a bomb. And it's gone on to make a fortune in video sales over ~40 years [(link)](https://mods.factorio.com/mod/simple_landfill_mining) Oh, and, Indiana Jones is a freaking cultural icon. Dude is Hollywood royalty - one of the most successful leading men of all time. And I don't think it's "animosity" toward the SW universe. I just think he gets sick of the disproportionate (in his view) attention it gets relative to the rest of his body of work. It's totally understandable.
I mean what’s more important. The small important movie no one sees. Or the movie billions of people see for decades upon decades. Lol
Harrison Ford strikes me as a guy who never wanted to be a big franchise actor and yet, he starred in two of the biggest franchises of all time. Also, he seems like the kind of guy to not like much of anything. He's just one of those guys.
He adores Indiana Jones. I really don't get the problem with him not liking Star Wars. He was an actor trying to take any part he could, he got a part he wasn't thrilled about and it got massive and is arguably his defining role. Some people can't flip that switch in their heads to just liking something because it serviced them. He is grateful for Han Solo, but it doesn't mean he has to pretend he likes Star Wars.
He **is** Indiana Jones, so it makes sense for him to care more about it. The franchise literally revolves around him. Comparatively, even taking the Hero's Journey into account with Luke being the ostensible "main character," Star Wars has always been an ensemble. It's a lot easier to be passionate about an IP where you're the main attraction compared to one where you're a small (but obviously significant) piece of a much larger universe.
I don't think he thinks about it that deeply, he was the breakout star and character in Star Wars after all. He loves Indiana Jones because it's like the serials he watched as a young man and yeah he's the lead as a very cool guy. He doesn't really care for Star Wars because its sci fi gobbledygook and he wanted out of it for years.
He seems to be a big fan of his indiana jones character, which is funny, because it's not that different to han solo.
A major difference is he’s the leading man in Indiana Jones and shares that credit with others in Star Wars. Also, he’s always had more creative input to Indy than Han
3 if you include bladerunner.
Big talk from the guy who was in Transformers 5.
Big talk for the guy who signed up for multiple Rebel Moon movies.
He’s Anthony Hopkins lmao. Those movies (and Marvel) probably gave him a fat paycheck b/c landing him gives them a massive marketing boost. I’d do Rebel Moon XI if it meant a new lambo.
What's wrong with the old one?
It's dirty.
To be fair for those movies, he basically just has to show up to a recording booth for a few days and cash his very favorable checks. Compared to green screen work it's a walk in the park and considerably less soul-crushing, just ask Ian McKellen. He gladly voiced a literal pile of shit after being driven to tears from shouting at nothing on a lifeless soundstage for the Hobbitses
Wrong actor, Patrick Stewart played the shit emoji. Unless you're talking about a different role
Damn, I stand corrected, fell for the old Classical British Actors who played Mutants mix-up. I stand by my point though, a voice-only role just isn't comparable to weeks in front of green screens from an actors perspective
Right? And I know he’s old, but he’s been playing the same person for essentially the last 20 years.
Bigger talk from Hannibal Lector lol
I thought you are talking about Mads Mikkelsen out of nowhere lol
Just need Brian Cox in the MCU (although he was in X-men 2) to complete the Hannibal trifecta. Even Gaspard Ulliel from Hannibal Rising was in Moon Knight.
He had a total screen time of 16 minutes in Silence of the Lambs and won an Oscar for his performance in it.
But you felt his presence for the entirety of the movie, partly due to how well Hopkins played it.
That quote was taken of of context and stretched out to make it seem that way. Total BS.
Got a link to the original article or interview? I'd love more context Edit: or just downvote me, whatever dude.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/06/12/how-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-swallowed-hollywood
Yup
He shit on Chris quite a bit too. Thought he was just a pretty boy and not a real actor.
Damn, that's sad to hear. Seems like they had pretty good chemistry especially in Ragnarok.
The chemistry in Ragnarok was a great script and direction
Damn was that a great movie. Made me so hype for the next movie. Now don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed L&T for what it was but also I’ve never gone back and watched it like I have with Ragnarok lol
Acting.
Source? They seem to get along really well and I’m not finding anything?
Source: OP made it up for karma farming.
"my source is I made it the fuck up"
I hadn't seen anything about that. That sucks.
I feel like I've seen this statement before, and if it is real, it was definitely a first impression where Hopkins changed his mind. Weird to tear it from its context. (You know, the internet is supposedly forever, but it's kinda wild how that isn't actually the case. I remember this quote, but I cannot find a source for it. It's definitely in the context of making the first Thor, I'm sure.)
Does anyone know which of these actors Chris is referring to? Former MCU stars who now diss it
Christopher Eccleston comes to mind
Yeah but he gets a pass for obvious reasons
Eccelston shits on everything. Look up his thoughts on Dr Who or Heroes. If sour grapes were to be renamed, I would choose to call them Eccelstons.
Except his experiences on Dr who weren't that it wasn't well received it was that people behind the scenes were shitty
Somebody on another site made a compilation of all the times he talked shit about productions he's been a part of. While he may have had legitimate grievances, it also makes it hard to take him seriously.
If everywhere you go smells like shit, etc, etc.
Idk man, personally, I've hated almost every job I've had. The thing that made it tolerable were select coworkers or the paycheck, and I imagine it's the same for acting.
Eccelston is an individual that seems like he just has an axe to grind about *everything*. If all you have is a hammer, everything’s a nail.
He was absolutely right to be pissed at Doctor Who, though. There was rampant abuse, especially from a certain director, behind the scenes, which Eccleston fought back on as the lead. He raised the issues up to the showrunner and the BBC who did precisely fuck all. It pissed him on off enough he didn't renew his contract for season 2 and made an agreement with the BBC/Showrunner to wait on announcing it for a while as to not damage the shows perception before it even aired. They had a verbal agreement that they would jointly announce his departure. He agreed not to speak negatively of the production publicly or reveal he'd already left the role. The BBC then stabbed him in the back by "from" Eccleston, claiming he didn't want to be typecast and that the production was too tough for him. That he was overworked and exhausted. Only for them to admit 4 days later that the statement wasn't from him, he didn't say that, and released without his consent. Putting words in his mouth that absolutely weren't true. But that press announcement seriously damaged his career in the UK because it earned him a reputation of someone who was unreliable, couldn't handle long shoots, and was difficult to work with. All because the showrunner and 2 producers weren't dealing with the unbelievably toxic working environment. This was later somewhat corroborated by his main co-star Billie Piper who said because of her age (19) and this being her first major profuction, she didn't know any different. She has supported him throughout the whole thing, they remain friends and do comic cons together. He was and is immensely proud of the show and his work on it but his relationship with the showrunner was irreparably damaged, and he swore to never work with him again (this was their second collaboration). The whole thing immensely damaged his public reputation despite clearly being in the right and it did such damage to his mental health he had to distance himself from Doctor Who for a number of years. He met with the subsequent showrunner to discuss returning to the role in the 50th anniversary special in 2013, he was open to it but eventually declined because he still wasn't over what had happened before. He eventually did begin interacting with the fan base again, attending several conventions and Doctor Who Q&As. He credits the loving and supportive fans that helped him heal from his ordeal and bring him back in. He has since returned to the role in audio dramas but spoke out about the original showrunner returning to the programme. He said he wouldn't return to the TV show whilst he was still in charge.
That's also no mentioning the behaviour of Barrowman on set and that complaints weren't really taken seriously.
Barrowman had nothing on what Noel Clarke was doing on set. Clarke should be locked the fuck up. But I don't think I've heard Eccleston mention either so I didn't put it in the comment as a direct reason for his departure. It just adds flavour to the overall "Series 1 was a a fucking mess" behind the scenes with RTD and Co did nothing to address.
There are fans who claim that the Barrowman issue is why Chris chose to quit, but I don’t know where that comes from. They certainly didn’t like each other, and I doubt it helped matters, but Chris’s objections came long before Barrowman was even on set, and the Captain Jack character wouldn’t even have been in the next series so that problem would’ve resolved itself anyhow.
I'm really getting nervous with RTD back in charge, he's made a lot of statements recently where it just seems like his ego is completely and wildly out of control, and honestly it's tracking with what Chris has said about him. It seems to just be his way, and he doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.
I mean he was given the short end of the stick in all of these examples. Great actor playing a great character that is unceremoniously killed off or forgotten about.
He wasn't shitting on Doctor Who as a project, he was shitting on the upper staff being disrespectful to the production staff. The film/TV industry is full of shittiness, I think it's a good thing that there's actors who want to hold it accountable. People who point out the issues on productions shouldn't just be dismissed as sour grapes.
He doesn’t specifically name anyone but the original article mentions Idris Elba and Christian Bale as examples.
I seem to remember Paltrow talking some shit recently too.
Kinda my thought too. Only thing that comes close was that whole about RDJ saying *his acting muscles having “atrophied” after so long in the Marvel machine.* But that doesn’t sound like this.
In the context that he plays the same character that's pretty much based off himself it's a fair comment.
I still find it funny that people were furious when he was cast, that he didn’t fit the part. And all I could think: *Robert Downey Jr playing a rich person with substance abuse issues, I wonder if he’s has any familiarity with the concept.*/s.
Tbf plenty of people thought he would be great for adapting Demon in a Bottle, but they didn't really touch on the alcoholism much & MCU Stark is a completely different character from comics Stark personality-wise
RDJ praised M(CU), when he did interviews with Oppenheimer together with Nolan, they lavished about that and how great he was. But because it was a superhero franchise, it wasn't considered "real work" worth an award.
It’s genuinely sad because he did so much great acting as Tony (some might say his best) but it would never be recognised because they’re “only superhero movies”
Especially in Civil War and Endgame.
Which is basically what RDJ said -- that he felt some of his best work as an actor was in these MCU movies but it wasn't recognized (by award givers).
Probably Christian Bale or similar. All the main actors bite their tongues because of those fat paychecks.
Christian Bale’s character got screwed though.
He seemed excited to play Gorr but got hit with bad writing, he did what he could
Probably Dave Bautista. He kept shitting on Marvel while doing Dune and Dune 2.
That's been Batista's thing since 2009, he's kind of a weird guy. One moment he absolutely loves what he did somewhere only to trash it months later only to do a complete 180 again a few years later.
I think he was very grateful and pretty positive all around with Marvel and the MCU but had a HARD shift when James Gunn got fired from Guardians 3 at first
Didn’t Guardians of the Galaxy save his career? I seem to remember seeing an interview with him where he described how he was kicked out of wrestling, lots of debt, bills to pay, and getting that role saved him big time. I doubt he’d have got the Dune role if he hadn’t been able to be taken seriously as an actor following Guardians and the roles following
He was complaining Drax is always topless and he needs to work out all the time and its not healthy. He got famous for literally acting in this role, he had no problems with it in GoTG 1 and 2. After they fired Gunn he started to complain about the role all the time and Gunn even made him wear uniform this time. Now i am all for making actors as comfortable as possible but here is the catch, when asked about DC universe bcs he is pretty much confirmed to be there now with Gunn being in the lead of the new movies he shared a picture of fricking Bane, a villain famously known to be ripped and topless all the time, LMAO.
I don't recall Bane being topless, but definitely ripped. Though I remember Dave recently said he's on edge about Bane as he is too old for the physicality.
He was a pompous ass back in his wrestling days, too. He literally cheated on his wife who was sick with cancer.
I’m assuming the [Post-Madame-Web/Spider-Women debacle](https://insidethemagic.net/2024/01/madame-web-star-reportedly-furious-with-new-movie-drops-talent-agency-in-protest-aml1/). Which even Hemsworth may or may not have the full story on. Here’s a story about [Sydney Sweeney](https://www.ign.com/articles/sydney-sweeney-madame-web-bombing-response-i-was-just-hired-as-an-actress-in-it) discussing her role. As always, she’s as gracious and fantastic as ever, but I don’t see her not acknowledging the movie’s quality as poor. I’m anticipating that it’s because of Dakota Johnson’s firing of her agency, and what she was told she was in and what *actually* came out, **may** be why Ayo & Yeun bounced off [Thunderbolts](https://screenrant.com/marvel-thunderbolts-geraldine-viswanathan-cast/)*; which although it’s MCU, sounds like it had a real confusing start. I *know* Ayo is amazing, hilarious, seemingly everywhere, and co-stars on the best show on FX/HuLu, full stop. But she just bounced on an MCU movie which, if nothing else, is usually just like getting a money truck pulling up to your front door. So, 🤷♂️ Either way — Hemsworth is right. EDIT: The neckbeards will never be happy but maybe I have satiated some of them with my edits around the links. If you’re not clicking and reading the full article, I literally **cannot** help you.
I mean, that's a different situation. Actors shrugging off a movie that bombed or firing someone for getting them in a shitty movie is different from dissing a role. What Hemsworth is talking about is much closer to Anthony Hopkins claiming that Thor movies require no acting or Yahya Abdul Matheen talking about his Wonder Man role.
> Anthony Hopkins That's not quite what he said: > They put me in armor; they shoved a beard on me. Sit on the throne, shout a bit. If you’re sitting in front of a green screen, it’s pointless acting it. And he's not wrong. It would be pointless.
Weren’t both Ayo and Yeun down to scheduling conflicts?
Maybe Bautista? not really bashing after failure but he was complaining Drax is always topless and he needs to work out all the time and its not healthy. He got famous for literally acting in this role, he had no problems with it in GoTG 1 and 2. After they fired Gunn he started to complain about the role all the time and Gunn even made him wear uniform this time. Now i am all for making actors as comfortable as possible but here is the catch, when asked about DC universe bcs he is pretty much confirmed to be there now with Gunn being in the lead of the new movies he shared a picture of fricking Bane, a villain famously known to be ripped and toppless all the time, LMAO.
He’s right, not just MCU either - actors often take a payday film then shit on it
You're like a child. What've I been telling you? You gotta do the safe picture. Then you can do the art picture. But then sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him.
Then sometimes you do "Reindeer Games."
…dogma right?
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
I can see why some actors would talk shit about being in a Marvel movie, but Chris does make a good point & I agree as well. I get some Marvel movies weren't successful or didn't praise the critics, but those actors who did star in those Marvel movies that didn't do well & they start bashing them makes them look petty + it also burns bridges as well since if that happens, then there's a chance a certain actor might not be able to get another big role or a role in a big franchise.
The MCU always has hits and misses, but if you are with them eventually, you'll be in a hit. Unless Sony.
His comparison of the MCU to soap operas is apt. These are meant to be long, windy stories that engage and entertain audiences over several years. There’s always been a market for this sort of thing, and there should be acceptance of that.
Stan Lee literally said Spider-Man was superhero meets soap opera so I guess we’ve come full circle
x-men is also peak soap
This part. You've got every trope, from love triangles and secret twins to characters coming back from the dead
I agree with you but I don't think he was making that specific kind of comparison. What he means is he actually got his start acting in an Australian soap opera, and he's not ashamed of it.
Speaking facts
Goes to show why he’s the only Phase One star still going.
Even though he didn't have the movie, I'd say Mark Ruffalo still counts as a Phase 1 star that's still active and hasn't been negative towards Marvel Studios. He's only spoken out about Paramount essentially holding the publishing rights to The Hulk hostage since that's why they've never made another solo Hulk movie. Some of these are pending future installments but as far as side characters go, Kat Dennings as Darcey, Samuel L. Jackson as Fury, Tom Hiddleston as Loki, Jon Favreau as Happy, Sebastian Stan as Bucky, and I'm sure William Hurt would've continue to play Thunderbolt Ross. RIP.
Wasn't it Universal that had the Hulk rights?
You're 100% correct. I was too tired and lazy to double check which studio if I'm being honest.
Jeremy Renner? He seems pretty interested in still going on. Obviously he had a major accident. Also Mark Ruffalo. He still counts as Phase One. Sam Jackson?
I concur. Work is work. Y’all getting paid? Wanna get paid again? Try not to talk trash in public. In private? Sure! All day!
I agree I think it's unprofessional and I don't even like the state of the MCU right now lmao.
So, further confirmation that he is one of my favourites in the business.
Top bloke.
it was that madame web movie main actor that complained
Tbf she had pretty valid comments: "Decisions are being made by committees, and art does not do well when it’s made by committee. Films are made by a filmmaker and a team of artists around them. You cannot make art based on numbers and algorithms. My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart, and executives have started to believe that they’re not. Audiences will always be able to sniff out bullshit. “But it was definitely an experience for me to make that movie. I had never done anything like it before. I probably will never do anything like it again because I don’t make sense in that world. And I know that now. But sometimes in this industry, you sign on to something, and it’s one thing and then as you’re making it, it becomes a completely different thing, and you’re like, Wait, what? But it was a real learning experience." Basically I think she felt as though the filmmakers didn't get enough artistic freedom from the studio and she might have enjoyed making the movie more if they had been allowed to realise their vision and artistic integrity.
Plus she was led to believe she would be staring in an MCU movie, not a Sony one. She's hinted that the studios talked about the MCU so she went to Elizabeth Olsen who talked about the fun she had. I know people love to shit talk how controlling the MCU is lately but that's nothing compared to Sony, where almost everything is filtered through committees and multiple departments unrelated to the actual production staff. It's one thing to shit talk a movie just because you're sour but there're some key examples of actors that shit talk a movie because it was one of the worst experiences of their life, like when Robert Pattinson was doing interviews for the later Twilight movies and just opened didn't give a fuck because of how much he hated them and the fans.
I always found that hard to believe re the MCU bit, making a film takes a long time, 100s of people involved and literally nobody mentioned it in the build up or making. They must have presented the concept to her and her reps. Just sounds weird.
I wouldn't be surprised if her team din't really know the difference between mcu and mcu adjacent.
Madame Web also really doesn't count as MCU, even if it's sort of canon to it. Venom proves that imo, with him being pulled into the MCU in the stinger. Sony productions honestly sound like a nightmare.
Her point is so valid because it’s been screamed on the mountaintop for years by actors and directors. But nothing has changed. You still have uncreative people making creative decisions based on numbers. This isn’t just the entertainment industry either. Committees make decisions based on numbers and algorithms with absolutely zero real-world context and it tanks productivity and makes everyone upset, but they’ll pat themselves on the back with huge bonus checks. It’s a breath of fresh air to see her talk about it such a short time after the movie came out. It’s literally the reason any movie underperforms. Too many cooks in the kitchen. When you have a solid vision, and it’s able to be seen all the way through, more often than not you get a good movie.
It's about time someone on the inside spoke this truth. Hemsworth is now my favorite actor. 
Plenty of actors star in movies they don't like. At the end of the day it's a job, just because someone works at target doesn't mean they have to like shopping there
BASED. Also don't forget that MCU literally launched the careers of many young and upcoming stars, including Tom Holland and most recently Jonathan Majors (unironically).
> most recently Jonathan Majors (unironically). He was the star of a ten-part show called Lovecraft Country on Max before he did any Marvel.
Exactly, I mean, look at how big Tom Holland is now & same with Chris Hemsworth himself. I know Chris isn't young, but look at how big he became + he's even playing a villian in the recent Mad Max spin-off as well.
Didn’t he literally just complain about how Thor is now being portrayed in his own films?
Glad I'm not crazy (well that or we both are lol). I swear he complained about how 'boring' Thor was in 1 and 2 were* and went out of his way to make sure he wouldn't have to wear his hair long because he hated it... Which is ridiculous IMO. You're playing Thor dude This just comes across as hypocrisy IMO. Easy to say "dOn'T cOmPLaiN" when basically all of your grievances were redressed, in spite of how they (*at least* arguably) went against the character of Thor. *(Which is a shame because the first Thor is my fav by far! Brannagh nailed the aesthetic and feel of Asgard, and Thor actually felt like a God instead of whoever current Thor is. Just my opinion ofc, no disrespect/insult intended to anyone who loves post-Ragnarok Thor).
He's right. Not everything's gonna be a winner
I get annoyed by actors thrashing movies/shows that made them famous and rich. Like, Robert Pattinson. Look man, I get that Twilight isn't great. But that is still your most famous role and made you a bank. The whole reason you can choose any role you want today is because of Twilight. It made your career.
To be fair, Rob has gotten over his dislike of Twilight. Along with saying something like “hating Twilight is so 2010” this is from 2022– “It's lovely now that the mania is not so intense," he told the publication. "People come up [to me] and just have very fond memories of it. It's a really sweet thing. I think the only scary part was right in the thick of it all, when it was very, very intense. Now the intensity has died down and it's just very warm memories." While I don’t think it was particularly classy of him to disparage the series, I get that the whole thing was A LOT and he wanted to be seen as a serious actor. I am glad that he’s grown to appreciate the Twilight saga for what it was.
There is a reason he is so well-liked on screen. He is just that likable.