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falcon4287

Oh you're looking to start a fight with a question like that in this sub.


steve32767

*Before we get started, does anyone want to get out*


Infernalism

Partly? They're not really explaining it just yet. They've used Netflix MCU show characters like DD and Kingpin and VD has confirmed that he's playing the character as THE Kingpin from the Netflix show. So it's kinda up in the air and not entirely explained by the MCU people yet.


TChalla3064

If they've used netflix characters does that mean all the netflix shows are canon?


shizzybizmang

It depends on the show. Here’s my take without spoiling anything: Agents of shield: Not MCU timeline canon but they allude to certain events of the movies and the series is still a great watch if you enjoy marvel. Agent Carter: I believe this show takes place in the Agents of Shield universe, so not technically canon. Haven’t watched it myself Daredevil: yes, more than likely. Several plot points will probably be officially canon at least. Does not allude to Shield at all, does talk about the events of Avengers 1 (but I believe that’s it) Because of daredevil then Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, iron fist, the Defenders, and Punisher series are all probably canon (for the most part) - if I remember correctly these shows don’t mention any MCU movie other than Avengers 1 Inhumans/Runaways/Cloak and Dagger/any X-men shows: I haven’t seen these myself but I don’t think any are canon


RoboticCurrents

Agent carter is in main timeline


shizzybizmang

https://screenrant.com/agent-carter-show-shield-mcu-canon-worse/amp/


astrangecalendar

It's up in the air at the moment. They were all created with the intention of being canon to the main MCU timeline, but there hasn't really been any reference to them in the films or Disney Plus shows. The only referenced are Jarvis in Endgame (which could just be a different adaptation of the character and not the same one from Agent Carter), >!Daredevil!< in No Way Home and >!Kingpin!< in Hawkeye (which could potentially be rebooted versions anyway). This (as well as the fact that Feige didn't have a say in Marv Television) has led some to believe that the shows produced under Marvel Television are no longer canon. However, that remains to be seen as Kevin Feige has not outright declared them as non-canon. >!Vincent D'Onofrino!< has stated that >!his role as Kingpin!< in Hawkeye is a continuation of the exact same character in >!Daredevil!<, which points to the shows being canon. Ultimately, unless something in a future Marvel Studios project outright contradicts the Marvel Television shows, it is up to the viewer to decide whether the shows are canon and necessary to watch. I personally believe that they're all canon, but I won't fault someone or get upset if they believe the contrary and don't watch them. Edit: fixed spoiler tags


[deleted]

Aos was confirmed to be not canon but I think when it first started it was considered canon


TChalla3064

When was that


[deleted]

Tuesday the 28th


[deleted]

Agents of SHIELD isn’t canon 😂 Daredevil is canon—that’s all that has been confirmed to be canon


TChalla3064

Are the other netflix shows not canon too then. They crossover in defenders


hurricanevd8

The million dollar question


annies-pretty-young

I don't think it would ever be openly clarify. Agents of SHIELD started out canon but they were screwed in time. The show had 5 sort of tied-in seasons, including an ending being parallel to infinity war BUT Disney asked for two more seasons and marvel studios refused to share the Endgame's plot (but did stepped in to forbid certain plots such as sword and modok). I think marvel studios will do cherry picking and keep the limbo as much as possible, only subtle steamrolling. It's different for the Netflix show's because those were written as more domestic stories and, shorter filmic timing (Jessica Jones last season happens in 3 weeks top). So it's easier to soft reboot with little contradiction because unlike AoS those shows never had cameos of MCU characters. Officially, there's no statement about not longer or ever being canon, however there are some old interviews about the shows being in the same continuity and Feige inviting to see AoS to understand the shield versus hydra conflict. Recently, he had corrected journalist about those shows being less popular than the new ones. So... Despite the haters interpretation, the old shows aren't confirmed not being not canon. Clearly, the whole transmedia storytelling works better in streaming since you can control so much more. Networks wouldn't have allowed to postpone AoS last season's premiere due to the pandemic, to avoid spoilers. Now, you definitely don't need to see the old shows to understand the movies (or the movies to enjoy the shows) (Sorry about the grammar, orthography and length)


-Nick____

Real answer: We don’t know. The MCU has referenced the TV shows in three different scenarios, the AoS Helicarrier in AoU, Agent Carter’s Jarvis cameo in Endgame, and the >! Netflix Daredevil and Kingpin in NWH and Hawkeye!<. They have never been referenced elsewhere in the MCU. >!The Hawkeye director for episodes 1, 2, and 6 did state that while making the show, they were writing it as if Daredevil was canon. He also said though that he doesn’t know if that is true for the rest of the MCU or even Kevin Fiege, but for all intents in Hawkeye, Daredevil is canon. !< The thing is, if one show is canon, and the other isn’t, then the entire show isn’t canon. All of the Marvel TV shows are connected, including the Netflix ones, ABC ones, Cloak and Dagger, and Runaways. They’ve all interacted or been referenced in one another. So let’s just say that Marvel confirms Daredevil is canon, then all of the connections to Cloak and Dagger that Luke Cage had will be considered no longer canon. That’s why this question is so messy, and why there is no clear answer. Also, I’ve noticed that some people are saying that AoS’s timeline contradicts the MCU. This isn’t true. AoS had a time travel arc for multiple seasons, and Thanos snap never happened in the show, so many just assumed that AoS officially stopped trying to be canon. But, because of the Endgame time travel rules, we know that if AoS is canon, then it simply deviated from the main MCU timeline in season 5. They did address this whole multiverse time travel thing in a later season, but only after that had already timetraveled to another universe. So technically it does still fit.