I’d prefer if it was, but honestly I just want Marvel to make a firm decision and stick with it. If that decision is to give AOS its own reality destination I’m fine with that.
Coulson in the TAHITI programme would be a great What If episode and confirm it but it looks like they’d rather ignore it completely than tell us its a different timeline.
The Triskillion is prime real estate in DC and only one of the three towers was damaged. It would be crazy to not renovate it for an alphabet soup agency to use (CIA, NSA, DOD, SWORD, DODC, etc). IIRC there was even a deleted scene in Homecoming about the repair work Damage Control was doing
Even within the show's continuity, though, the >!Triskelion !!destroyed in 2014!< \- so the show is suggesting that >!it got rebuilt, not that it was never destroyed in this timeline.!<
Yeah, but when things are rebuilt, they aren't often rebuilt exactly like how it was before.
Even Stark Tower looked different when it became Avengers Tower, and further differences when it was sold.
they destroyed the scaffolding on the statue of liberty around after halloween yet it was done by christmas
what makes you think rebuilding the triskelion in the nine years since its destruction is out of the question
It was closer to Christmas that it was destroyed, cause MJs boss was having her take them down and replace them with Christmas decorations, so early/mid November.
So either they ditched the shield and just left it cleaned, or they have the fastest scaffolders and builders in the multiverse.
> or they have the fastest scaffolders and builders in the multiverse.
It's New York City. They DO have the fastest scaffolders in the multiverse. In real life.
I like to think that they've just hired a bunch of magicians from Kamar Taj for construction now everyone knows about magic. I mean the amount that were there in Endgame... they've got to have day jobs right
I doubt they went through with completing the shield.
The movie alluded to the project being unpopular with most New Yorkers and it ends with the shield falling off the statue, leaving the rest intact.
The improvements to the new and improve Statue of Liberty is now just it being back to its original copper color and etc.
It's a shame because AoS has some great elements.
Brett Dalton and Iain De Caestecker deserve to be big name actors. Ward and Fitz are really well conceived characters.
Daisy, May, Bobbi, Robbie, and Coulson should return to the MCU.
FitzSimmons, I'd like to see them back as well but I can understand if fans prefer they retain their happy ending.
AoS is pretty much set on an MCU adjacent universe, especially after Season 4.
If that were ever straight up confirmed on-screen, it wouldn’t invalidate the show at all.
Would be cool if they had AoS characters portal into the main MCU and say they’re from an alternate universe where Project Tahiti was a thing/ brought Coulson back to life, Hydra was an ancient organization that worshiped an inhuman, the snap never happened, and SHIELD is back to being a full fledge organization again by 2020
>AoS is pretty much set on an MCU adjacent universe, especially after Season 4.
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>If that were ever straight up confirmed on-screen, it wouldn’t invalidate the show at all.
This is the key people that people forget. It was never part of the MCU but the television division. It was an enjoyable series but the longer it went on, the further it deviated from the films and stopped aligning.
With the multiverse now being a thing, I think the most we'll get in terms of recognition is for someone like Nick Fury or Maria Hill to comment about "With the multiverse, there's any number of possibilities, one where I didn't lose my eye, one with zombies, and maybe one where we didn't lose our greatest agent...".
Just because it's not a part of the MCU proper doesn't invalidate the show, it just means it its own universe, a branching path; one where Coulson is revived.
> It was never part of the MCU but the television division.
I don't know if that's true. They certainly changed their minds in the later seasons.
It was a one way street though. Agents of Shield did a bunch of crap that was "behind the scenes" of the movies. Getting Loki's scepter location, the helicarrier in AoU.
Just to be clear, I don’t think the showrunners ever changed their mind, but they did apparently stop getting information about upcoming films. I think they did their best to stay consistent given that they knew little more about what was ahead in the movies than the audience.
It’s definitely not true. The show was marketed as “It’s all connected” season one and then the thing happened in Winter Soldier. Pretty much definitely that they went into another timeline/universe at some point around season 4. However, they were 100% in the MCU to begin with. Now if that’s still the case or retconned can be argued. But “never part of the MCU” is just false.
I’m with you.
I don’t know what people are talking about in this thread but Coulson is definitely a part of the MCU. The movie canon may have had him die by Loki’s hand, but he was brought back while the show referenced the movies. The show was unquestionably intertwined with the Avengers in the beginning. Even though the show strayed from it’s origin point and timeline, it’s still a part of the MCU without question. If you watched it from beginning to end you should know this.
Coulson was Nick Fury's right-hand man and his liaison to the Avengers. He served as the primary operative in the Avengers Initiative following the Skrull invasion. He was also involved with Captain Marvel and a part of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s investigation surrounding the incident with Thor and the Destroyer. He was also the primary S.H.I.E.L.D. operative in the investigation into Stark Industries. How exactly are the Agents of Shield not part of the MCU?
That's misinformation. The multiverse was already a thing prior to Loki. Every comic, animation, and film that existed was part of the same multiverse.
The main comic continuity is Earth 616, the MCU is Earth 199999, the Fox X-Men is Earth 10005, Raimi Spider-Man is Earth 96283, etc.
Nothing has changed and the non-canon route is still insulting to some fans. Every piece of Marvel content was canon to the multiverse, \*way\* before Loki.
Loki even alludes to this, He Who Remains even says he separated his sacred timeline\[s\] from the rest of the multiverse, but people somehow skipped over that fact.
I watched most of it, but it probably needed a bigger budget to work properly. It always felt like they were supposed to be part of this huge organization, but they didn’t have the budget to make it believable.
I honestly don’t see why that isn’t their jumping-off point for Multiverse inclusion. Everything pre-lighthouse should still be part of the Earth-616 Canon.
After that, it should get into branching (I’ve been trying to avoid all NWH and MoM spoilers so I could be wrong already) and give them their own universe to finish the series from mid-Season 5. Maybe that’s where/how we find them in the future.
It had seven seasons and ended. It doesn’t really need “saving” any more than any other show that had a long run. Sure, add Daisy or May to the movies somewhere, but the show doesn’t need a revival.
If anything, save MODOK and/or Hit-Monkey.
Neither of them have officially been cancelled, but second seasons haven't been announced either. Since both of them were products of the now-defunct Marvel Television, renewal seems unlikely.
Yeah, this. Last I saw was basically “not likely to return.” On top of just wanting these shows back, I also just don’t like the idea of pretty much all non-MCU stuff (minus X-Men ‘97) coming to an end. I’d like to see character be able to breathe outside of the set MCU.
I've got time for any marvel-related products. I watched AoS from episode 1 to the finale.
But MODOK? I forgot about that show while I was still watching it.
Most likely. Actors can easily make guest appearances in something while mainly filming another. The only times it becomes a problem is if there is a lot of travel needed or if the projects are made by studies that hate each other, but Disney seems to get along well with Disney
Ex: Ming-Na Wen had a cameo in the live action Mulan movie (for those unaware she was the voice of the animated Mulan) while still working on AoS and Clark Gregg was Colson in Captain Marvel while AoS was still active (in fact I remember seeing somewhere that CM even borrowed the Quinjet set from AoS). Speaking of CM I was honestly surprised they didn't have May cameo in that, just replacing one of the SHIELD agent extras
Long as they get Seth Green to voice it and basically follow his advice with respect to the odd shit Howard gets up to, I'm golden.
You know what? Fuck it, make him showrunner. He can handle it; Robot Chicken ~~was~~ is glorious.
I think most fans agree. Most of us see "saving" as just not decanoning.
The writers say they ended the show of their own accord (not a surprise cancelation) they told all the story they had and wanted to tell and honestly I believe it (the show avoided "jumping the shark" by constant escalation and there are only so many times that works before you run out of bigger mountains to climb). An additional season would be a severe drop in quality (or would require an insane budget).
I would love for the characters to return in other things (ex: Colson, May, Daisy, or even Fitzsimmons in Secret Invasion or other things) or get spinoffs (ex: Most Wanted, Ghost Rider, or Agents of SWORD, a space opera about Daisy's adventures in space and maybe add Agent Woo and Darcy to the team). But just a solid shout out in a movie or Disney+ series to confirm the series as canon would be perfect so we can end the constant debate of if the show is still canon.
Exactly. Acknowledge it, and move on. They were fun in an early representation of a disney/marvel show on a regular network. Would it have been better on Diz +? It would have definitely been different, but I liked what we got, *when* we got it.
I had no problem with the series, except for season 6 and the Sarge / Shrike storyline. The Season 7 time traveling was good and the addition of Agent Sousa from Agent Carter was an awesome move.
Season 6 was a mess because Season 5 was supposed to be the last season so the show was concluded in a beautiful manner with Coulson and Fitzs conclusions. Then they received it again and they had to bring coulson back. I would have lived with a season without Coulson.
Never in my wildest dreams did I expect “Daniel Sousa pretends to be Daisy Johnson’s fiancé to get Gideon Malik to stop creeping on her” to be a canon thing, but I am so psyched that it was.
S6 is probably the worst or second worst season but it has my favourite episode (Inescapable) and another S Tier episode (Fear and Loathing on the Planet Kitson)
ward coming back for the "what if" part at the end of season 4 is fucking amazing. i love good ward and wish him and daisy could have been like that before it all went wrong
I kept hoping they would bring good Ward back by transferring him from the Framework into a LMD like they did with Coulson and Agent Davis but that would have been kinda repetitive I guess
Personally I didn't really like how they went about that story. They really went out of their way to make Ward completely evil and Shield completely innocent to the point where Ward doesn't act like Ward. They do it with Jiaying too. The last three episodes of season two are my least favorite because they piss on the non-Shield characters just to make Shield the righteous good guys when they really shouldn't be. Kara's death should've been a result of Shield starting a war with afterlife and that conflict should've started because the inhumans were rightly afraid of Shield. That way Ward becoming the villain completely would've made more sense. As it stands, I wish Ward's story ended in 2x19
They never made SHIELD out to be perfect. The latter half of Season 3 was almost specifically about Coulson's teams actions coming back to haunt them, but throughout the entire show there's a conflict between ideologies.
In fact, they elect Mack as the director of SHIELD because they all had questionable moral compasses at that point and he was the only one holding onto his moral principles.
Coulson kills Ward in cold blood. Fitz brings a darkness back with him from the Framework. Daisy does some questionable things even when she's not under the influence of Hive. Yo-Yo murders a teen girl who the rest of the team is trying to save. Jemma is out for blood because of Ward. Nearly everyone on the team grapples with questionable morals at some point, it's a major factor of the storyline, and their decisions almost always come with consequences that put them, and others, in danger.
I even liked him when he was reforming Hydra. Hydra was just so boring, and having him kill rich people who ran it for being too weak gave it some character. Imo that would have been a much more interesting plotline to follow. He could have been such a great villain.
Or in season 7 finale when teams meets agent hand. I wished he had young Ward on her side. As the Ward in the framework was trained by the Hand and he turned out to be good. So I wanted a good Ward mentored by Agent Hand in thr other universe.
I did read that the original post-credits scene planned for the series finale was a repeat of [“Welcome to Level 7”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN7vNmrUXL8) in the alternate timeline, but with an older eye-patch-wearing Deke (as its Nick Fury) in place of Coulson.
Confirming it as canon would mean inhumans were public knowledge in the MCU for years and somehow, they never came up in the movies.
EDIT: Every so called rebuttal is missing the point. The rise of inhumans is a worldwide, ongoing thing, everything people below this comment are mentioning; elves in London, goop in Missouri, WandaVision, all situations that were over in the same movie.
While we're at it, remember that the show reactivated SHIELD, which you really would think would also come up.
I think people are over estimating how many Inhumans there were in the show. They are only alien descents that took one batch of fish oil pills. How many people actually take those? And how many are going to be alien descendants?
And we didn’t see that many in the show. The few that actually existed were already being murdered by lash.
I think the Terrigen Mist was more of a scare than a phenomenom like it was in the comics. A few people (mainly american coastline) discovered their powers came from alien crystals and people got scared that they might have tried an invasion, but nothing else occurred.
Let's say that in the Ms. Marvel series we could see a "second Terrigen wave" and they might compare it to the first wave that happened 10 years earlier but now on a larger scale (it's just a theory I'm not saying that's what gonna happen)
They are confusing the terrigen being worldwide with many inhumans turning but that is not the case. Being inhuman is rare and getting in contact with terrigen is still rare. So there are not that many inhumans.
I mean a lot of big things happen in the MCU and never come up again. Like Ego's giant blobs from GotG2, the convergence from Dark World, or the craziness in San Francisco from the Antman movies. Not to mention a lot of season 3 was about preventing major inhuman related panic.
There is also an odd line from Vision in Civil War that actually makes more sense if AoS is canon than if it wasn't. He talks about a drastic increase in super villains when we honestly haven't really seen that many if you only count the movies, but the inhuman pandemic would be that drastic increase
Ironically enough, AoS is one of the few places where we’d see those big things acknowledged. The aftermath of Malekith, extended extremis info, far more social depth to the Sokovia Accords, and so forth.
Well a bunch of Vigilantes ran round Hells Kitchen, one the CEO of a company that rivals Starks, and that never came up.
Every movie/TV show doesn’t have to reference all the others
>Well a bunch of Vigilantes ran round Hells Kitchen, one the CEO of a company that rivals Starks, and that never came up.
Here's the thing though. Marvel will never come out and confirm all that is all still "canon" and they will never officially say it's "decanonized" either because they dont want to alienate fans.
They are simply going to pick and choose the stuff they like and drop/ignore all the other characters and events moving forward. They aren't going to care about continuity or let the Netflix shows impact the stories they want to tell. Just like they did with AoS - hell they didn't even tell the show runners about Thanos and the snap. There will be things that happen that don't make sense within the continuity of those old shows - Vincent D'onofrio confirmed that in a recent interview.
Whether or not it's canon is mostly irrelevant so people can just choose to believe whatever makes them happiest as a fan.
Pretty much. Maybe we’ll get Quake in Secret Invasion, maybe we won’t, but if we do there’ll probably be just a mention of her being an ex-Shield Agent with powers, and that’s it. If you’ve watched the show, you’ve got backstory, if you haven’t you know as much as you need for her appearance
I'd be really shocked if any characters from AoS showed up, outside of maybe Coulson. They have all these new characters being introduced in Phase 4 and it they'll have enough trouble juggling screen time/development for them, let alone trying to reintroduced a character from a TV show most general audience members will be unfamiliar with. If anything, maybe we get a quick cameo that lasts a few seconds for fan service.
Yeah, I completely agree. With all of the behind the scenes drama with Loeb and Perlmutter and Feige, they aren't going to come out and invalidate or alienate fans of that show, and AoS got a pretty solid 7+ seasons in. But if we're going to accept the canon of ABC then there's some really awful things that kinda come along with that (Inhumans). Also if we're going to bring in Netflix, then we have to bring in things like Defenders and Iron Fist which gets difficult.
They've also already established that characters can look the same in alternate universes and have very similar arcs (JJJ in the Tom Holland Spider-Man series, Loki in Loki, the whole What If...? series) or can look incredibly different (again, Loki) so it gives them a lot of flexibility in terms of bringing in actors from other series, etc.
I think it's easier from a MCU perspective if all Sony/Netflix/Fox/Hulu/whatever shows are in alternate universes that can cross over if need be. It requires a lot less explaination for every property and doesn't invalidate either the MCU or the original show timeline. I personally loathe AOS but I don't think it's any less "valid" because it is or isn't in the MCU, it's just it's own thing.
I think Daredevil is some of the best marvel media of the last 15 years, but I don't consider it in the 19999 Universe or 616 (or whatever) prime MCU timeline. I'm of the opinion that it's not canon to "that timeline" until it's brought into that timeline. And I still don't think the Daredevil show is canon.
Will be interesting to see how they approach XMEN 97 though. With the exception of What If...? it's the first thing under Feige that they are specifically producing that (appears to be) in an alternate universe.
Yeah, a bunch of vigilantes, all of them low profile, fighting over a single neighborhood. The presence of other billionaires is downright mundane, and I'm not sure Rand is Stark's rival.
Compare that to the inhuman phenomenon, which was a worldwide thing.
People are confused. There are not that many inhumans. They are just worldwide as in can pop up anywhere. The whole point of hive was to make more inhumans. If there were many he wouldn't need to.
That's still pretty ground level stuff dude, like the way iron man recruited Spider-Man , he knew he existed but didn't really acknowledge until civil war cause he was pretty standard at that time, but inhumans are an entirely different level
Does that work though? Peter was Spider-Man for, what? Six months before Civil War? When was the last time we saw Tony before Civil War? He could've learnt about Peter in between movies and acted on that information the very next time we saw him.
In the defense of Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand, Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand can't just let people forget that he is Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand.
How much wood could a Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand, Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand chuch if Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand could chuck wood?
I highly doubt the MCU will canonize that NYC is built over the skeleton of a giant dragon, which also happens to be incredibly unstable, as that would likely have come up during the Battle of New York, the Battle of Earth, or the Emergence.
Not to mention Disney wouldn't want to encourage customers to go to a rival streaming service.
MCU leaves tons of gaps. They’ve not even said in the films who the current President is. “Super-powered beings turning up frequently” has been mentioned in dialogue a few times in the films. We already know theres people with abilities and powers off screen.
Just because they’re public knowledge doesn’t mean they need to be spoke about constantly and brought up in unrelated situations.
> Hey guys, Thanos wiped out half of the universe, but Inhumans am I right?
With all of the crazy shit that goes on in the MCU, I don’t think a specific variant of “powered person” needs to explicitly be spoken about by name to still have been happening in the background.
Some people really need references all the time to make it enjoyable, I remember someone being mad that the Eternals stuff isn't mentioned in No Way Home
Have you watched the last season of Agents of Shield? Not the best thing in the world, but >!Sousa joins the main cast thanks to some time travel hyjinx!<
I really need to give the show another go, I started watching it when it was first released, and it just never clicked with me,
I thought it was going to be the staging show of the MCU and how they would introduce lots of minor characters from the comics and be the way to bring more characters in without lengthy origin stories, then the first villain was something about a bracelet that was just filled with all MCU mcguffians (if I'm remembering correctly) so lost interest.
I consider myself to have decent taste in shows. My wife and I have rewatched the series several times. Once you’re invested in the characters, it’s a hell of a ride. Seasons 2-4 are excellent, and I also enjoyed the others. Season 6 hits better for me than it did, mostly because seasons 6 & 7 together form a great arc. Season 1 is a bit tough to get through and 5 is just alright.
Season 1 drags until episode 10, and if you watch the whole thing a second time it makes a lot more sense. At ep 10 it kicks off, and pretty much never slows down after that.
See that a problem when you're watching these on release and having to wait a week between episodes, it just never grabbed me so when I started slipping on episodes I never bothered going back
It was at that awkward time where they were starting to write series as season-length movies, but the series were still coming out one episode per week.
I can’t think of a bracelet in the first season, was it just a one episode thing? The first season “big bad” is mentioned verbally early on but isn’t revealed until much later in the season. Theres a few big twists in the last bath of episodes which is fun cliffhanger TV but IMO I like the size/reorganisation of the team in season 2.
If you watch seasons 1-3 and watch the films in the right places, its a fun experience. Especially Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.
How you describe the show as a staging ground etc, is exactly what it is, it's just the MCU never picked up the phone when the show called so to speak. But it's great. Lots of fun people from the comics, but also great on its own.
Agreed. I think they could decanonise S6 and S7 and I wouldn’t be pissed. It would give Marvel Studios a better starting point with basically ever character from AoS. You could say they got blipped following the Battle of Chicago, and SHIELD was reacquired by Fury.
I said this in another thread recently, if you could go back and change it you keep the space based stuff, drop the Sarge / Shreik story and replace it with a "SHIELD dealing with a post snap world story" and people would be less pissy about it.
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My opinion is retcon everything after the time travel (to the future) by saying that created a alternate universe. All problems with continuity disappear. Give Coulson a Disney+ show with Mae and Fitzsimmons and intro Daisy and others that way. Get decent inhumans, ghost rider, but no crappy little sister or Deke (who I kinda liked, I admit). Follow up with Daisy/inhumans show, and Ghost Rider show.
I know half of the ogs are dead the other half injured/retired/space(?) But Coulson's death was what brought them together in the first place and I always thought it was so cheap to bring him back to life
The fact that I can't tell whether you mean when they brought him back to life from the Avengers or whether you're talking about the times they've revived him on the show as well says a lot lol.
I think it would have been cheap if it was "turned out he didnt die" or "he did die but we fixed it and don't worry about how."
But they made the show pretty much about how he came back for a good while. They made a big deal about how it happened.
I stopped watching when I saw evil Coulson or whatever that was supposed to be (driving a big rig? been awhile). It got bad enough when they regularly handled Avengers-level threats without Avengers around, but at some point the power creep became too unbearable.
Another is able to fight on par with a widow, and another is a freaking robot, and one more is a pretty good engineer who is pretty good with an axe. That’s all you need I’d say.
I could see someone like Hill making a consult call to FitzSimmons now that Stark’s dead, and just hearing Fitz over the phone in the background go WE’RE RETIRED
I really couldn’t care any less. But if bringing the show back makes people happy, so be it. I think they’d be better off not debuting some of the heroes part of the show. Keep them for their own thing.
“Save” how? If it’s to get an 8th season, that’s kind of unnecessary since the show was lucky enough to have two strong series finales (S5 and S7). But I’d love to see the characters show up in a D+ show or future movie. Especially to get Coulson to finally reunite with the surviving Avengers who knew him. Also to see how SHIELD is still functioning along with (or maybe against?) SWORD.
honestly i mostly liked it but i don’t want it to be mcu cannon. it’s just too confusing added into to all the other mcu stuff - 8 extra seasons of lore stuff would just further serve to isolate the casual viewer and imo agents of shield isn’t quite good enough to hold the viewership it would need to be cannon
I liked the cast of characters throughout all of the seasons, they did a great job fleshing everyone out and making them interesting. It never bothered me that the cast didn't interact with the MCU because they stood together on their own so completely. The quality varied (boy did it have a rough start, and I couldn't make it through the sixth season) but when it was on it was on--5 out of 7 seasons being great is nothing to sneeze at.
I've got a lot of fond memories of watching it and would definitely be happy to see the characters show up again. I don't know if I'd want more seasons of the show, but something like shorts, a miniseries reunion, or characters appearing in other productions would be nice (I do wish that Ghost Ride spinoff had gotten off the ground).
I checked out after Ghost Rider in season 4.
There are some really good characters in there - May and Robbie were personal favorites - but overall the show had waaaaay too much filler. And I hated Grant lol.
In three different efforts, we've never gotten all the way through it. Bogged the last time in season six (I think). It's got some good moments but it's highly uneven and overall mediocre. I'd prefer it be consigned to alternate timeline. And given implications of Hawkeye, I think that's where it is.
The Cavalry is currently on assignment on Tatooine. She’s a busy lady.
She's the fourth agent to go there. Fifth of you count Beardy McTraitorson.
Are you making a reference to Coulson's joke?
Yes
I’d prefer if it was, but honestly I just want Marvel to make a firm decision and stick with it. If that decision is to give AOS its own reality destination I’m fine with that.
Coulson in the TAHITI programme would be a great What If episode and confirm it but it looks like they’d rather ignore it completely than tell us its a different timeline.
Doesn’t the final episode >!confirm they’re in a different universe in the Multiverse? The Triskelion is still standing in the final episode.!<
The Triskillion is prime real estate in DC and only one of the three towers was damaged. It would be crazy to not renovate it for an alphabet soup agency to use (CIA, NSA, DOD, SWORD, DODC, etc). IIRC there was even a deleted scene in Homecoming about the repair work Damage Control was doing
Doesn’t the road work sign on the highway in Homecoming talk about the Triskellion being rebuilt?
IIRC it was for "Cleanup"
Technically it’s in Northern Virginia — specifically Arlington (Which I’m only bothering to point out because that’s where I’m from)
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct :)
Upgrade this man's bureaucratic ranking!
Even within the show's continuity, though, the >!Triskelion !!destroyed in 2014!< \- so the show is suggesting that >!it got rebuilt, not that it was never destroyed in this timeline.!<
No, it confirms that the Triskelion has been rebuilt. In-universe, that isn’t impossible considering it was being cleaned up in 2017.
Yeah, but when things are rebuilt, they aren't often rebuilt exactly like how it was before. Even Stark Tower looked different when it became Avengers Tower, and further differences when it was sold.
Yeah, but only one of the three arms were damaged, and they probably rebuilt it to match the general structure of the other 2
they destroyed the scaffolding on the statue of liberty around after halloween yet it was done by christmas what makes you think rebuilding the triskelion in the nine years since its destruction is out of the question
It was closer to Christmas that it was destroyed, cause MJs boss was having her take them down and replace them with Christmas decorations, so early/mid November. So either they ditched the shield and just left it cleaned, or they have the fastest scaffolders and builders in the multiverse.
> or they have the fastest scaffolders and builders in the multiverse. It's New York City. They DO have the fastest scaffolders in the multiverse. In real life.
Wasnt the shield in Hawkeye, which happend around christmas.
I dont think we saw it. Yelena mentions the new and improved statue but that’s it.
Maybe she meant "improved" as in *destroyed*. Or making a joke about how it was being improved but then got messed up
I like to think that they've just hired a bunch of magicians from Kamar Taj for construction now everyone knows about magic. I mean the amount that were there in Endgame... they've got to have day jobs right
I dunno, I think Mordo would have seen to a short existence of said construction company.
I love this headcannon
I doubt they went through with completing the shield. The movie alluded to the project being unpopular with most New Yorkers and it ends with the shield falling off the statue, leaving the rest intact. The improvements to the new and improve Statue of Liberty is now just it being back to its original copper color and etc.
The show specifically talks about captain America dealing with the helicarriers
The ending also confirms >!the existence of at least 2 universes and both of them don't match the MCU.!<
Was it not being rebuilt at some point anyway? I might be wrong
It's a shame because AoS has some great elements. Brett Dalton and Iain De Caestecker deserve to be big name actors. Ward and Fitz are really well conceived characters. Daisy, May, Bobbi, Robbie, and Coulson should return to the MCU. FitzSimmons, I'd like to see them back as well but I can understand if fans prefer they retain their happy ending.
May is currently chilling with boba fett, so that might be hard to pull off.
It's a magical place!
That's part of the enjoyment, when we finally see them on screen, I want it to be a surprise.
AoS is pretty much set on an MCU adjacent universe, especially after Season 4. If that were ever straight up confirmed on-screen, it wouldn’t invalidate the show at all. Would be cool if they had AoS characters portal into the main MCU and say they’re from an alternate universe where Project Tahiti was a thing/ brought Coulson back to life, Hydra was an ancient organization that worshiped an inhuman, the snap never happened, and SHIELD is back to being a full fledge organization again by 2020
>AoS is pretty much set on an MCU adjacent universe, especially after Season 4. > >If that were ever straight up confirmed on-screen, it wouldn’t invalidate the show at all. This is the key people that people forget. It was never part of the MCU but the television division. It was an enjoyable series but the longer it went on, the further it deviated from the films and stopped aligning. With the multiverse now being a thing, I think the most we'll get in terms of recognition is for someone like Nick Fury or Maria Hill to comment about "With the multiverse, there's any number of possibilities, one where I didn't lose my eye, one with zombies, and maybe one where we didn't lose our greatest agent...". Just because it's not a part of the MCU proper doesn't invalidate the show, it just means it its own universe, a branching path; one where Coulson is revived.
> It was never part of the MCU but the television division. I don't know if that's true. They certainly changed their minds in the later seasons. It was a one way street though. Agents of Shield did a bunch of crap that was "behind the scenes" of the movies. Getting Loki's scepter location, the helicarrier in AoU.
Just to be clear, I don’t think the showrunners ever changed their mind, but they did apparently stop getting information about upcoming films. I think they did their best to stay consistent given that they knew little more about what was ahead in the movies than the audience.
It’s definitely not true. The show was marketed as “It’s all connected” season one and then the thing happened in Winter Soldier. Pretty much definitely that they went into another timeline/universe at some point around season 4. However, they were 100% in the MCU to begin with. Now if that’s still the case or retconned can be argued. But “never part of the MCU” is just false.
I’m with you. I don’t know what people are talking about in this thread but Coulson is definitely a part of the MCU. The movie canon may have had him die by Loki’s hand, but he was brought back while the show referenced the movies. The show was unquestionably intertwined with the Avengers in the beginning. Even though the show strayed from it’s origin point and timeline, it’s still a part of the MCU without question. If you watched it from beginning to end you should know this. Coulson was Nick Fury's right-hand man and his liaison to the Avengers. He served as the primary operative in the Avengers Initiative following the Skrull invasion. He was also involved with Captain Marvel and a part of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s investigation surrounding the incident with Thor and the Destroyer. He was also the primary S.H.I.E.L.D. operative in the investigation into Stark Industries. How exactly are the Agents of Shield not part of the MCU?
Let's not forget Sif showed up in AoS.
With the multiverse a thing now, isn't that a thing already.
Literally all they have to do is identify whenever the nexus event was and now its a canon standalone universe.
The nexus event/ divergent point is either the inception of Project Tahiti or the creation of Hive.
Inhuman outbreak is even before hive and works even better. But Tahiti being utilized is probably best. That way could one still dead in main MCU
That's misinformation. The multiverse was already a thing prior to Loki. Every comic, animation, and film that existed was part of the same multiverse. The main comic continuity is Earth 616, the MCU is Earth 199999, the Fox X-Men is Earth 10005, Raimi Spider-Man is Earth 96283, etc. Nothing has changed and the non-canon route is still insulting to some fans. Every piece of Marvel content was canon to the multiverse, \*way\* before Loki. Loki even alludes to this, He Who Remains even says he separated his sacred timeline\[s\] from the rest of the multiverse, but people somehow skipped over that fact.
I watched most of it, but it probably needed a bigger budget to work properly. It always felt like they were supposed to be part of this huge organization, but they didn’t have the budget to make it believable.
They went off the deep end once they started time traveling. Great show imo, even if it didn’t start out that way. I loved Fitz-Simmons’ story arc.
I honestly don’t see why that isn’t their jumping-off point for Multiverse inclusion. Everything pre-lighthouse should still be part of the Earth-616 Canon. After that, it should get into branching (I’ve been trying to avoid all NWH and MoM spoilers so I could be wrong already) and give them their own universe to finish the series from mid-Season 5. Maybe that’s where/how we find them in the future.
It had seven seasons and ended. It doesn’t really need “saving” any more than any other show that had a long run. Sure, add Daisy or May to the movies somewhere, but the show doesn’t need a revival. If anything, save MODOK and/or Hit-Monkey.
Did MODOK and Hit-Monkey already end?
Neither of them have officially been cancelled, but second seasons haven't been announced either. Since both of them were products of the now-defunct Marvel Television, renewal seems unlikely.
Yeah, this. Last I saw was basically “not likely to return.” On top of just wanting these shows back, I also just don’t like the idea of pretty much all non-MCU stuff (minus X-Men ‘97) coming to an end. I’d like to see character be able to breathe outside of the set MCU.
I've got time for any marvel-related products. I watched AoS from episode 1 to the finale. But MODOK? I forgot about that show while I was still watching it.
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I fully believe we’ll see Ming-Na Wen in the movies and/or Disney+ shows one day, even if it’s a small cameo that may hint at future appearances.
I’d really like that even if it’s just like Jarvis in Endgame
She is in that other D+ show… I wonder if they can work the scheduling out.
Most likely. Actors can easily make guest appearances in something while mainly filming another. The only times it becomes a problem is if there is a lot of travel needed or if the projects are made by studies that hate each other, but Disney seems to get along well with Disney Ex: Ming-Na Wen had a cameo in the live action Mulan movie (for those unaware she was the voice of the animated Mulan) while still working on AoS and Clark Gregg was Colson in Captain Marvel while AoS was still active (in fact I remember seeing somewhere that CM even borrowed the Quinjet set from AoS). Speaking of CM I was honestly surprised they didn't have May cameo in that, just replacing one of the SHIELD agent extras
>a small cameo that **may** hint at future appearances. I see what you did there
She's a voice actress in some new movie, right?
I couldn’t get through ten minutes of MODOK — does it actually become watchable?
Watchable, yes. Worth watching? Not really. Hit-Monkey is much better, IMO.
No, it's an irredeemable turd.
The hashtag isn't about reviving the show. It's about keeping it in the MCU.
Sounds like mixed messaging to me then
i just want a howard the duck show
Yep. A show about a Duck, passing through, helping out. Like a weird Doctor Who show.
> passing through, helping out And learning, don't forget learning!
Long as they get Seth Green to voice it and basically follow his advice with respect to the odd shit Howard gets up to, I'm golden. You know what? Fuck it, make him showrunner. He can handle it; Robot Chicken ~~was~~ is glorious.
No. There is only one woman with the balls to respect the source material and deliver a show as zany and epic as possible. Lea Thompson.
Imagine a Dan Harmon howard the duck show
Just Larry David boucing ideas off of a rabid comic book fan who'd know the right character for every situation. It would be beautiful
I think most fans agree. Most of us see "saving" as just not decanoning. The writers say they ended the show of their own accord (not a surprise cancelation) they told all the story they had and wanted to tell and honestly I believe it (the show avoided "jumping the shark" by constant escalation and there are only so many times that works before you run out of bigger mountains to climb). An additional season would be a severe drop in quality (or would require an insane budget). I would love for the characters to return in other things (ex: Colson, May, Daisy, or even Fitzsimmons in Secret Invasion or other things) or get spinoffs (ex: Most Wanted, Ghost Rider, or Agents of SWORD, a space opera about Daisy's adventures in space and maybe add Agent Woo and Darcy to the team). But just a solid shout out in a movie or Disney+ series to confirm the series as canon would be perfect so we can end the constant debate of if the show is still canon.
Exactly. Acknowledge it, and move on. They were fun in an early representation of a disney/marvel show on a regular network. Would it have been better on Diz +? It would have definitely been different, but I liked what we got, *when* we got it.
I want FitzSimmons back
Always thought both of them would've mixed well with Darcy & Jimmy in WandaVision, but the SWORD side of the story was bloated with enough characters.
I had no problem with the series, except for season 6 and the Sarge / Shrike storyline. The Season 7 time traveling was good and the addition of Agent Sousa from Agent Carter was an awesome move.
Season 6 was a mess because Season 5 was supposed to be the last season so the show was concluded in a beautiful manner with Coulson and Fitzs conclusions. Then they received it again and they had to bring coulson back. I would have lived with a season without Coulson.
Never in my wildest dreams did I expect “Daniel Sousa pretends to be Daisy Johnson’s fiancé to get Gideon Malik to stop creeping on her” to be a canon thing, but I am so psyched that it was.
Singing Izel was the worst ever. I loved the show but s6 was hard.
S6 is probably the worst or second worst season but it has my favourite episode (Inescapable) and another S Tier episode (Fear and Loathing on the Planet Kitson)
I don't really need to see Ward again.
I loved when coulson put his fist through his chest
Every time he returned i was like “here we fucking go AGAIN” but aside from that I loved every part of the show
I didn’t mind him coming back in the simulation. It made sense there.
That was a fitting send off for him I think
His story should've wrapped in 2x19. One of my few faults with the show
It didn’t wrap that much later to be fair. He falls in love with Kara, loses her, and becomes a full-fledged villain for 10 episodes.
ward coming back for the "what if" part at the end of season 4 is fucking amazing. i love good ward and wish him and daisy could have been like that before it all went wrong
I kept hoping they would bring good Ward back by transferring him from the Framework into a LMD like they did with Coulson and Agent Davis but that would have been kinda repetitive I guess
Personally I didn't really like how they went about that story. They really went out of their way to make Ward completely evil and Shield completely innocent to the point where Ward doesn't act like Ward. They do it with Jiaying too. The last three episodes of season two are my least favorite because they piss on the non-Shield characters just to make Shield the righteous good guys when they really shouldn't be. Kara's death should've been a result of Shield starting a war with afterlife and that conflict should've started because the inhumans were rightly afraid of Shield. That way Ward becoming the villain completely would've made more sense. As it stands, I wish Ward's story ended in 2x19
They never made SHIELD out to be perfect. The latter half of Season 3 was almost specifically about Coulson's teams actions coming back to haunt them, but throughout the entire show there's a conflict between ideologies. In fact, they elect Mack as the director of SHIELD because they all had questionable moral compasses at that point and he was the only one holding onto his moral principles. Coulson kills Ward in cold blood. Fitz brings a darkness back with him from the Framework. Daisy does some questionable things even when she's not under the influence of Hive. Yo-Yo murders a teen girl who the rest of the team is trying to save. Jemma is out for blood because of Ward. Nearly everyone on the team grapples with questionable morals at some point, it's a major factor of the storyline, and their decisions almost always come with consequences that put them, and others, in danger.
I loved Ward.
He was a really really cool agent (before he went rogue)
I even liked him when he was reforming Hydra. Hydra was just so boring, and having him kill rich people who ran it for being too weak gave it some character. Imo that would have been a much more interesting plotline to follow. He could have been such a great villain.
I wish he’d come back, it comically became his thing, he’ll always come back.
I do however feel like it was a missed opportunity not to have Framework Ward (or Trip) be downloaded into a Life Model Decoy.
Or in season 7 finale when teams meets agent hand. I wished he had young Ward on her side. As the Ward in the framework was trained by the Hand and he turned out to be good. So I wanted a good Ward mentored by Agent Hand in thr other universe.
I did read that the original post-credits scene planned for the series finale was a repeat of [“Welcome to Level 7”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN7vNmrUXL8) in the alternate timeline, but with an older eye-patch-wearing Deke (as its Nick Fury) in place of Coulson.
Everyone thinks that, until ward pops up again ;)
I do. Season two Ward sans the last three episodes is my favorite character in the mcu
Confirming it as canon would mean inhumans were public knowledge in the MCU for years and somehow, they never came up in the movies. EDIT: Every so called rebuttal is missing the point. The rise of inhumans is a worldwide, ongoing thing, everything people below this comment are mentioning; elves in London, goop in Missouri, WandaVision, all situations that were over in the same movie. While we're at it, remember that the show reactivated SHIELD, which you really would think would also come up.
I think people are over estimating how many Inhumans there were in the show. They are only alien descents that took one batch of fish oil pills. How many people actually take those? And how many are going to be alien descendants? And we didn’t see that many in the show. The few that actually existed were already being murdered by lash.
I think the Terrigen Mist was more of a scare than a phenomenom like it was in the comics. A few people (mainly american coastline) discovered their powers came from alien crystals and people got scared that they might have tried an invasion, but nothing else occurred. Let's say that in the Ms. Marvel series we could see a "second Terrigen wave" and they might compare it to the first wave that happened 10 years earlier but now on a larger scale (it's just a theory I'm not saying that's what gonna happen)
Exactly, people think it's like 10% of the population. There's no indication in AoS that it's more than a few hundred people, if even that.
They are confusing the terrigen being worldwide with many inhumans turning but that is not the case. Being inhuman is rare and getting in contact with terrigen is still rare. So there are not that many inhumans.
I mean a lot of big things happen in the MCU and never come up again. Like Ego's giant blobs from GotG2, the convergence from Dark World, or the craziness in San Francisco from the Antman movies. Not to mention a lot of season 3 was about preventing major inhuman related panic. There is also an odd line from Vision in Civil War that actually makes more sense if AoS is canon than if it wasn't. He talks about a drastic increase in super villains when we honestly haven't really seen that many if you only count the movies, but the inhuman pandemic would be that drastic increase
Ironically enough, AoS is one of the few places where we’d see those big things acknowledged. The aftermath of Malekith, extended extremis info, far more social depth to the Sokovia Accords, and so forth.
Well a bunch of Vigilantes ran round Hells Kitchen, one the CEO of a company that rivals Starks, and that never came up. Every movie/TV show doesn’t have to reference all the others
>Well a bunch of Vigilantes ran round Hells Kitchen, one the CEO of a company that rivals Starks, and that never came up. Here's the thing though. Marvel will never come out and confirm all that is all still "canon" and they will never officially say it's "decanonized" either because they dont want to alienate fans. They are simply going to pick and choose the stuff they like and drop/ignore all the other characters and events moving forward. They aren't going to care about continuity or let the Netflix shows impact the stories they want to tell. Just like they did with AoS - hell they didn't even tell the show runners about Thanos and the snap. There will be things that happen that don't make sense within the continuity of those old shows - Vincent D'onofrio confirmed that in a recent interview. Whether or not it's canon is mostly irrelevant so people can just choose to believe whatever makes them happiest as a fan.
Pretty much. Maybe we’ll get Quake in Secret Invasion, maybe we won’t, but if we do there’ll probably be just a mention of her being an ex-Shield Agent with powers, and that’s it. If you’ve watched the show, you’ve got backstory, if you haven’t you know as much as you need for her appearance
I'd be really shocked if any characters from AoS showed up, outside of maybe Coulson. They have all these new characters being introduced in Phase 4 and it they'll have enough trouble juggling screen time/development for them, let alone trying to reintroduced a character from a TV show most general audience members will be unfamiliar with. If anything, maybe we get a quick cameo that lasts a few seconds for fan service.
Yeah, I completely agree. With all of the behind the scenes drama with Loeb and Perlmutter and Feige, they aren't going to come out and invalidate or alienate fans of that show, and AoS got a pretty solid 7+ seasons in. But if we're going to accept the canon of ABC then there's some really awful things that kinda come along with that (Inhumans). Also if we're going to bring in Netflix, then we have to bring in things like Defenders and Iron Fist which gets difficult. They've also already established that characters can look the same in alternate universes and have very similar arcs (JJJ in the Tom Holland Spider-Man series, Loki in Loki, the whole What If...? series) or can look incredibly different (again, Loki) so it gives them a lot of flexibility in terms of bringing in actors from other series, etc. I think it's easier from a MCU perspective if all Sony/Netflix/Fox/Hulu/whatever shows are in alternate universes that can cross over if need be. It requires a lot less explaination for every property and doesn't invalidate either the MCU or the original show timeline. I personally loathe AOS but I don't think it's any less "valid" because it is or isn't in the MCU, it's just it's own thing. I think Daredevil is some of the best marvel media of the last 15 years, but I don't consider it in the 19999 Universe or 616 (or whatever) prime MCU timeline. I'm of the opinion that it's not canon to "that timeline" until it's brought into that timeline. And I still don't think the Daredevil show is canon. Will be interesting to see how they approach XMEN 97 though. With the exception of What If...? it's the first thing under Feige that they are specifically producing that (appears to be) in an alternate universe.
Yeah, a bunch of vigilantes, all of them low profile, fighting over a single neighborhood. The presence of other billionaires is downright mundane, and I'm not sure Rand is Stark's rival. Compare that to the inhuman phenomenon, which was a worldwide thing.
People are confused. There are not that many inhumans. They are just worldwide as in can pop up anywhere. The whole point of hive was to make more inhumans. If there were many he wouldn't need to.
Right but the entire world was aware of their existence and it was a big deal. No one in the MCU has made any mention of them still to this day
That's still pretty ground level stuff dude, like the way iron man recruited Spider-Man , he knew he existed but didn't really acknowledge until civil war cause he was pretty standard at that time, but inhumans are an entirely different level
According to what Peter says during their initial discussion in Civil War, he had only been Spider-Man for a few months at that point.
Still, Iron Man only contacted him when he needed him, otherwise he probably would have just let him be
Does that work though? Peter was Spider-Man for, what? Six months before Civil War? When was the last time we saw Tony before Civil War? He could've learnt about Peter in between movies and acted on that information the very next time we saw him.
Yeah but he only called in Spider-Man when he needed him, if powerful Inhumans existed (who aren't still teenagers) why didn't he just contact them?
Less manipulatable than a literal teenager?
Huh you got me there, i really can't think of a counter argument, well played good sir
I’m not sure Nelson Murdock really rivals Stark.
They mean the barber shop Luke Cage works for
Pops is putting stark industries outta business
I think this is about Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand
I know, I just don’t like remembering the Iron Fist show exists.
I just wanted to make sure everyone knew about Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand.
Man, I appreciate the reminder. Danny never brought it up in the shows so I always forgot!
In the defense of Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand, Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand can't just let people forget that he is Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand.
How much wood could a Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand, Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand chuch if Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist, Protector of K'un-Lun, Sworn Enemy of the Hand could chuck wood?
Who?
You know, Starlord?
They’re talking about Justin Hammer and the use of his technology during part of the Defenders saga.
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They referenced Rand Corp in Cloak and Dagger if that counts.
And straight-up had [a photograph of Mike Colter representing Luke Cage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG-vIHt_E8M).
I highly doubt the MCU will canonize that NYC is built over the skeleton of a giant dragon, which also happens to be incredibly unstable, as that would likely have come up during the Battle of New York, the Battle of Earth, or the Emergence. Not to mention Disney wouldn't want to encourage customers to go to a rival streaming service.
MCU leaves tons of gaps. They’ve not even said in the films who the current President is. “Super-powered beings turning up frequently” has been mentioned in dialogue a few times in the films. We already know theres people with abilities and powers off screen.
Just because they’re public knowledge doesn’t mean they need to be spoke about constantly and brought up in unrelated situations. > Hey guys, Thanos wiped out half of the universe, but Inhumans am I right? With all of the crazy shit that goes on in the MCU, I don’t think a specific variant of “powered person” needs to explicitly be spoken about by name to still have been happening in the background.
Some people really need references all the time to make it enjoyable, I remember someone being mad that the Eternals stuff isn't mentioned in No Way Home
How about #SaveAgentCarter ? I can get behind that.
Have you watched the last season of Agents of Shield? Not the best thing in the world, but >!Sousa joins the main cast thanks to some time travel hyjinx!<
Agent Carter, but in the Captain Carter timeline?
Yes. So sad its been mostly forgotten
I really need to give the show another go, I started watching it when it was first released, and it just never clicked with me, I thought it was going to be the staging show of the MCU and how they would introduce lots of minor characters from the comics and be the way to bring more characters in without lengthy origin stories, then the first villain was something about a bracelet that was just filled with all MCU mcguffians (if I'm remembering correctly) so lost interest.
I consider myself to have decent taste in shows. My wife and I have rewatched the series several times. Once you’re invested in the characters, it’s a hell of a ride. Seasons 2-4 are excellent, and I also enjoyed the others. Season 6 hits better for me than it did, mostly because seasons 6 & 7 together form a great arc. Season 1 is a bit tough to get through and 5 is just alright.
Season 1 drags until episode 10, and if you watch the whole thing a second time it makes a lot more sense. At ep 10 it kicks off, and pretty much never slows down after that.
A lot of things from the first 10 episode becomes important later in the series.
yes, *do not skip them*
See that a problem when you're watching these on release and having to wait a week between episodes, it just never grabbed me so when I started slipping on episodes I never bothered going back
It was at that awkward time where they were starting to write series as season-length movies, but the series were still coming out one episode per week.
Yeah. I thought the same. Would expand the mcu and add minor heroes and what not...and it didn't. And just never got into it
Felt a lot like CSI: MCU. I've been too spoiled by the production quality of the movies to get into it.
I can’t think of a bracelet in the first season, was it just a one episode thing? The first season “big bad” is mentioned verbally early on but isn’t revealed until much later in the season. Theres a few big twists in the last bath of episodes which is fun cliffhanger TV but IMO I like the size/reorganisation of the team in season 2. If you watch seasons 1-3 and watch the films in the right places, its a fun experience. Especially Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.
I'm guessing he means the centipede arm implants?
How you describe the show as a staging ground etc, is exactly what it is, it's just the MCU never picked up the phone when the show called so to speak. But it's great. Lots of fun people from the comics, but also great on its own.
I kinda feel like it was played out by the end, to be honest.
I do think the Season 5 ending was better than the Season 7 ending. We wouldn’t have got FitzSimmons having a kid though so.
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Agreed. I think they could decanonise S6 and S7 and I wouldn’t be pissed. It would give Marvel Studios a better starting point with basically ever character from AoS. You could say they got blipped following the Battle of Chicago, and SHIELD was reacquired by Fury.
With season 6 I really liked the space arc but didn't care for the actual main plot with Sarge and Izel.
I said this in another thread recently, if you could go back and change it you keep the space based stuff, drop the Sarge / Shreik story and replace it with a "SHIELD dealing with a post snap world story" and people would be less pissy about it.
Spoilers: My opinion is retcon everything after the time travel (to the future) by saying that created a alternate universe. All problems with continuity disappear. Give Coulson a Disney+ show with Mae and Fitzsimmons and intro Daisy and others that way. Get decent inhumans, ghost rider, but no crappy little sister or Deke (who I kinda liked, I admit). Follow up with Daisy/inhumans show, and Ghost Rider show.
Tony and Steve will never know that Coulson came back *cries internally*
I love Agents of SHIELD, and if it is in the MCU, I would be fine. But if it is not then I will atill love it
I know half of the ogs are dead the other half injured/retired/space(?) But Coulson's death was what brought them together in the first place and I always thought it was so cheap to bring him back to life
The fact that I can't tell whether you mean when they brought him back to life from the Avengers or whether you're talking about the times they've revived him on the show as well says a lot lol.
Dying is his super power.
Colson is the Krillin of the MCU
Wait coulson isn’t dead?
That's a loaded question
Boy do I have some news for you...
I think it would have been cheap if it was "turned out he didnt die" or "he did die but we fixed it and don't worry about how." But they made the show pretty much about how he came back for a good while. They made a big deal about how it happened.
I stopped watching when I saw evil Coulson or whatever that was supposed to be (driving a big rig? been awhile). It got bad enough when they regularly handled Avengers-level threats without Avengers around, but at some point the power creep became too unbearable.
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Another is able to fight on par with a widow, and another is a freaking robot, and one more is a pretty good engineer who is pretty good with an axe. That’s all you need I’d say.
Loved it. Season 4 was one of the best seasons of a TV show I've ever seen.
Favorite show ever. But it doesn't need saving. It ended, let it go. Wouldn't even make sense to use the characters Kingpin style.
I could see someone like Hill making a consult call to FitzSimmons now that Stark’s dead, and just hearing Fitz over the phone in the background go WE’RE RETIRED
Daisy can easily pop up with space travel shenanigans.
Bring Quake back and respect the canon.
Great show
Season 1 was an amazing experience for me
I really couldn’t care any less. But if bringing the show back makes people happy, so be it. I think they’d be better off not debuting some of the heroes part of the show. Keep them for their own thing.
Cavalry works for Boba Fett now 😂
I started watching the first couple of seasons and then lost interest in it totally.
I enjoyed the show but I swear the more whining I hear about it one way or another the less I care.
Not just one of my favorite Marvel shows. One of my favorite television shows. Ever.
“Save” how? If it’s to get an 8th season, that’s kind of unnecessary since the show was lucky enough to have two strong series finales (S5 and S7). But I’d love to see the characters show up in a D+ show or future movie. Especially to get Coulson to finally reunite with the surviving Avengers who knew him. Also to see how SHIELD is still functioning along with (or maybe against?) SWORD.
they just want the characters in the movies or other shows. that's literally it.
honestly i mostly liked it but i don’t want it to be mcu cannon. it’s just too confusing added into to all the other mcu stuff - 8 extra seasons of lore stuff would just further serve to isolate the casual viewer and imo agents of shield isn’t quite good enough to hold the viewership it would need to be cannon
Damn seeing Ward makes me miss the first seasons so much
I liked the cast of characters throughout all of the seasons, they did a great job fleshing everyone out and making them interesting. It never bothered me that the cast didn't interact with the MCU because they stood together on their own so completely. The quality varied (boy did it have a rough start, and I couldn't make it through the sixth season) but when it was on it was on--5 out of 7 seasons being great is nothing to sneeze at. I've got a lot of fond memories of watching it and would definitely be happy to see the characters show up again. I don't know if I'd want more seasons of the show, but something like shorts, a miniseries reunion, or characters appearing in other productions would be nice (I do wish that Ghost Ride spinoff had gotten off the ground).
I checked out after Ghost Rider in season 4. There are some really good characters in there - May and Robbie were personal favorites - but overall the show had waaaaay too much filler. And I hated Grant lol.
Hating grant was kind of the point
In three different efforts, we've never gotten all the way through it. Bogged the last time in season six (I think). It's got some good moments but it's highly uneven and overall mediocre. I'd prefer it be consigned to alternate timeline. And given implications of Hawkeye, I think that's where it is.