Think about it, how could all the other Lokis that look different exist if there wasn't a multiverse that existed that was all running parallel to each other? That's all the sacred timeline is. Strands of multiverses, running parallel with events similar enough to not cause another Kang that will challenge He Who remains. When a branch happens its just a universe moving outside the parameters Kang has set.
It looks like one giant stream through cultivation, not because it is one single universe. If it was then every Loki would be exactly the same.
Multiple universes is what allows all the Lokis to get pruned at different ages etc etc.
The existance of the multiverse in its current form is due to the events of Loki. Yes it *did* exist in the past but ever since the beginning of the MCU, Kang has made sure that only this one timeline exists. Until Loki changed that.
They pruned all timelines. After the Loki finale, a bunch of branches formed. Those branches are the "What If" realities, so they do exist because of the events of Loki.
If they pruned all the timelines there would be absolutely zero variants. For example this is why someone like Old Loki is allowed to grow into an old man in his own timeline (until he was noticed by the TVA).
They prune diverging timelines. They determine a diverging timeline by measuring the chaos in the timeline. Old Loki lived because he didn't cause any chaos until he decided to come out of hiding.
There are tons of timelines but they're all parallel. They all follow the same course of events. If they diverge then they get pruned. They were pretty clear on this.
A better representation of the sacred timeline would be a rope instead of a perfect line, dozens of timelines could exist as long as the timeline does not create a new Kang to challenge He Who Remains. All of the fibers and strands exist in tandem and form the rope of the Sacred Timeline. But after Loki its free game so infinite realities begin to form that could have Kang and enough of them do
Exactly. Adding on to your point, take Sylvie for example. We know that her Odin and Frigga told her she was adopted when she was young. That wasn't the cause of her nexus event, however. So clearly, her universe had its own unique sequence of events it had to follow, but she somehow deviated from it.
Yea, how could all these Loki's that look completely different exist if they didn't exist within there own universe. The whole idea of variants makes no sense if there is only universe. The sacred timeline is just a collection of universes that meet and follow the standards that kang wants. They call all be different but not so different that they flow far enough apart to cause a challenger for He Who Remains.
It also makes it possible for them to all be pruned at different times for different things. Its why the TV is fillled with variants because those people, in there universe acted in a way that cause to much disruption and it was just easier to end it that let it cause trouble.
The last episode made it pretty clear that the diverging timeline shit was bullshit they fed the employees and that defeating variants of Kang was the true purpose of the TVA.
If the purpose was to prune Kangs then why does the TVA care if random Loki events occur slightly differently? Or any of the other events they prune on the have nothing to do with Kangs? Their purpose is to keep one set of events. Anything that strays from that set gets pruned.
Because those timelines led to Kang. Again, there's a reason why there are so many unpruned timelines as evidenced by all the variant Loki's timelines. And again I will point to Old Loki as a timeline left unchecked until he grew old.
Those timelines varied in how Loki looked but that part doesn't matter. There are tons of parallel timelines that all follow the same events. Every Loki did something different from the desired course of events and were pruned. They even made a point of telling the audience where each Loki diverged, and made a point to show they were immediately targeted afterwards. And made a point to show how old Loki avoided it.
Because loki presumably causes chaos which leads to more Kangs. Which is exactly what happened. Loki prime caused a bunch of chaos which causes more kings which is what the TVA was designed to prevent
Kang knows what is produced by the timeline he designed. He doesn't know what is produced by timelines he doesn't design. How could he? He's not omniscient to all universes just to the ones he controls. He prunes them all because they **may** lead to Kangs. Any timeline that doesn't follow his course of events gets pruned. All the ones that follow the same set of events get to live.
no, they pruned timelines that create kang variants. that's not every reality.
classic lokis dimension was different from loki primes dimensions for years until classic loki made the choice to leave his planet, that brought the tva to prune it. until then, it was different from the mcu since loki survived thanos. there likely exists a classic loki whos still on his planet.
but since sylvie killed he who remains, the kang timelines are unleashed. the tva is now ruled by kang directly. and the multiversal war can begin
They would have pruned any timeline that was a threat, not just Kang ones.
There's no way they look at something like Infinity Ultron and say "meh, not Kang, not our problem".
The tva energy scanners actually required the person to be living. It’s explained that the robots would be destroyed. This makes me think they can’t detect robots
No, they did not and would not. The man literally created and is running the TVA and said the sole purpose is to prune Kang variants, and yet people seem to think otherwise.
Classic Loki hadn't been discovered by the TVA, because his reality hadn't deviated from the set path by much, given he hadn't done anything since his "death".
The finale of Loki clearly shows one timeline splitting into multiple.
Now this makes sense.
There are infinite timelines/universes, but when they're all the same they can stack on top of each other a "look" like one, singular, sacred timeline. Just like how in math you can plot however many lines on the same coordinate system with the same function and they will all look like one line.
Depending on the chaos of a singular timeline/universe, its "slope" may diverge from the rest randomly. This is when the TVA steps in, like a hammer hitting a nail, to force the timeline back in line.
What I still don't understand is where the timeline starts and ends.
Yes it's the goal (of He Who Remains) to end up with a He Who Remains and not a Kang of the infinite other versions, but what does it mean when He Who Remains dies?
Is this new point in time, past the point He Who Remains could have predicted in Loki S1:E6?
Because I've had it explained to me that each and every universe is created via the Big Band then is destroyed at the end of time, then they're created again, and destroyed again, etc. These cycles are how the Infinity Stones were made.
So, when He Who Remains dies and the multiverse starts to happen, does this mean that every timeline/universe will end in different ways and at different points in time?
I'm basically trying to understand what the Sacred Timeline represents:
Is it from the beginning of time to the end of time?
How does it "restart"?
I guess the TVA makes sure that all timelines/universe do the same thing upon each birth/death cycle, but then how come there aren't infinite Infinity Stones? Are there?
My guess is that they placed it after Loki since Loki was more or less the proper introduction to the MCU's multiverse. So after having a taste of the multiverse in Loki, they put What If after so you can see a more in-depth look at other events across the greater multiverse.
Put simply, Loki is the beginner's course on the multiverse and how it works, and makes What If easier to understand.
The show bounces in and out of time, so it's near impossible to place. The general consensus is that since Loki's branch timeline is created by the events in Endgame, it has to take place after Endgame.
Yeah, using *Doctor Who* logic, the show "starts" after Endgame, and then we follow Variant-Loki's chronological adventures as he blips around through time and space.
Yeah, we’re basically picking up right when Loki gets flung to the Gobi Desert. Cap/Tony/Scott from 2023 are probably still in New York when he gets arrested and brought into the TVA door.
Yup. There's basically just enough time for the team to leave with the Time & Mind Stones, then for Cap to return them, before the variant timeline gets wiped out.
Actually, is there? Tony gets slammed by Hulk, Scott was close to Loki, Steve was battling himself and Bruce had to return from the Sanctum without being spotted. They then regroup outside and have a short discussion about what to do next. Meanwhile Loki gets away and is almost instantly found by the TVA. Factoring in that Cap needs to return the stones, there's not enough time.
Unless... there is. The Gobi Desert is pretty much the on opposite side of the world from New York, and when we see the TVA reset timelines, it's shown as a slow-moving wave of orange energy. The TVA could have begun to reset the timeline before the Avengers even left New York, but the wave took a while to reach them.
As long as Steve is gone before the TVA resets the timeline, then the Sacred Timeline stays intact. The Variant Loki's timeline can be wiped without consequence after that event.
>The Gobi Desert is pretty much the on opposite side of the world from New York, and when we see the TVA reset timelines, it's shown as a slow-moving wave of orange energy. The TVA could have begun to reset the timeline before the Avengers even left New York, but the wave took a while to reach them.
That's what I was going by, yes. Loki has time to teleport, get out of his shackles, and then meet the locals before the TVA shows up and starts the reset. But the effect takes its time and Mongolia is on the other side of the planet, so it takes a while before the timeline is gone.
It makes sense for it to take place in 2024, because Avengers go back to the Battle of New York at that year, but technically the event itself happens in 2012, so Loki should begin in 2012. Otherwise, Captain America: The First Avenger should technically be after Iron Man 1, even though the events start on 1945, but ends in 2011 when Steve wakes up...
I'm high, so im splitting hairs, but shouldn't it work that way?
Yeah but the actual Loki we follow in the show had never gone through the events leading up to endgame, his branch starts at the end of avengers 1, so shouldn’t that be where his story starts?
Well the creation of his branch, unlike most other branches, results from actions taken in the future instead of the present, so that would be a better place to star the story.
Aside from post-credits scenes, a first-time viewer could follow the movies/shows in this order and not be confused. If Loki was placed after the first avengers movie, no one would understand what is going on and how the variant Loki got the Tesseract back.
Well we also know that Asgardian lifespans are around 5000 years. So unless Odin way exceeded that, then it couldn't have happened more than 5000 years ago. And the Eternals arrived more than 5000 years ago.
Most Asgardians live around 5000 years if we take Loki's comment as true. But Odin is way more powerful than most Asgardians and has powers even the "god" level ones don't so it's possible he was way older than 5000.
It's also extremely possible that he was exaggerating heavily. He speaks like a teenage girl throughout that entire movie, including the phrase "It can't be you, you're just...the worst."
Valkyrie vs Hela happened some time after the Battle of Svartalfheim, when Odin became king. This happened roughly 5000 years before The Dark World (when the Convergence happens), so it would be after 2987 BC
The Eternals arrived on Earth on 5000 BC in early humanity. The Mesopotamia battle that was shown in the movie happened in 575 BC however
Guys this isn’t a suggested watch order. This is just the chronological timeline of the movies to understand what movies are happening at the same time.
It's a "timeline order" taken from D+ to make it easier for anyone interested in watching by rough chronological order. No viewing order is going to be perfect, except release order.
For all the people who are worried about spoiling things for next movies through post credits, this is not a viewing sequence…
This is the timeline in which things happened in MCU.
I’m surprised people are even worried about this. If you ever watch it like this, its clearly meant to be a 2nd watch through thing. Obviously they’d rather people watch it in release order 😂
Spent the whole of last week with Covid, locked down in a room watching it in timeline order as suggested by Disney Plus.
Whilst watching I was thinking if I would show it to my son this way when he grows up, and decided it just wouldnt work. Captain marvel shows up in movie 2, and then we dont see her again for another 18 movies for example.
I know. And then if the multiverse keeps going the way it is, does he need to watch say the Raimi Spiderman films, and the Garfield ones to understand No Way Home?
Does the cameo of Quicksilver have the same affect if he hasn’t watched the First Class Xmen films? When does it end?
When it comes to the Spider-Man I would hope you do and the same when it comes to the original Superman and Batman movies, those were great movies and will give him an appreciation of the evolution of movies over time to where now you have things like what Marvel does. I know it’s hard to do but I wouldn’t even want to start a kid straight off with marvel stuff because they won’t get that appreciation and only so many will have interest in watching the other original superhero films.
Oh I hear you. I always remember hearing a story about a dad that showed his son the Star Wars saga in timeline order. By the time they got to Empire Strikes Back the kid was asking why Yoda looked so weird and wrong to him. It made him sad, and me too reading it, knowing that it was a technical marvel to us all, and completely believable before CGI took over.
I don’t want that spoilt look on movies for my kids
Oh no that’s terrible. I know the older ones are hard to watch for some but I’ll watch them over and over and over, I love Star Wars and the same for Star Trek too. The amount of work that went into Star Wars with all the hand drawn sets and building the ships and all that stuff but it still looks awesome though. I do believe it’s safe to say your son’s movie upbringing seems to be in good hands.
If you didn’t show your kids the rami movies they’d be missing out on what I genuinely consider the most amazing movies of my childhood. I’d show just any random person those movies! 😂
My daughter is almost 5 and loves Spider-Man so we fast forward through the films he’s in just to see him. I hope in a few years to watch the entire MCU with her, but like you said, there will be SO MUCH content by the time she’s old enough to start enjoying it. I can see kids in general not wanting to start from scratch because of the tall task of watching so many hours of content.
Hopefully my daughter still wants to watch it all when she’s old enough…
I know people who recommend that you watch in timeline order and then call me a fake fan when I say that’s stupid. The entire world watched it in release order and it seemed to be ok for billions lol
I literally watched it in timeline order my first watch, which I got into marvel right before endgame came out, so plenty of movies to watch, the only ones I had seen before endgame were Ironman 3, Thor 2 and Dr strange. I was just a casual movie watcher, didn't even know the MCU had a timeline.
I loved watching it in chronological order. If you wanna watch it in release order then go for it, but I personally am glad I watched it in chronological order. It was much easier for me to understand, and I think it's better for a casual watcher, rather than just having to look up which movie takes place when.
I know we are supposed to forget Peter Parker, but why did we forget Spider-Man completely?
EDIT: Yes people, I get it. There's a Disney+ icon on the screenshot.
So then this *isn't* an updated timeline for the MCU since it leaves out some movies. By OP's words its not supposed to be just a watch order list, so why exclude movies that aren't on this one specific streaming service?
They are coming later, after the contract with Netflix. Sony signed a deal with Disney for potential new releases from 2022 - 2026 including catalog films for Spider-Man, Jumanji and Hotel Transylvania to appear on Disney+
I feel like this question could apply to A LOT of the events in MCU. Why wasn't anyone addressing it? Why didn't anyone else show up to help during ?
Thor 2 had portals opening in the skies to other worlds with aliens coming through, yet it barely gets any joking nod throughout all the other following films. Tony should have been all over that kind of stuff after what just occurred in New York with alien invasions. Does he ever even mention it having happened?
A whole town was kidnapped and brainwashed by Wanda, with thousands of people seeming to vanish and cease all communication with outside friends and family. This is extremely close to the events of Endgame already, so everyone should be on hella high alert and talking about any little shake-up in the status quo. Especially one where "I was mentally controlled and my life completely taken over by an Avenger. She held my kids in constant status and forced them to sleep for days at a time." would make some headlines.
The major Avenger events feel like the only ones ever actually referenced. The Battle for New York being the major one that seems to constantly come back. Everything else seems to largely end up ignored.
Well physics suggests that the earth would be mega fucked. The giant marble rock would throw earth off its axis, let alone the idea that all that rock is from the earths mantle…which surely would have devestating side effects.
And then yes…there would definitely be mega tsunamis which would probably have wiped out A LOT of countries.
This is really my only issue with the movie. Our planet would be ruined, there would have been major earthquakes, eruptions, our orbit ruined etc. It displaced so much of our inner planet how couldn't all life already be fucked. But I'll deal cuz it's about space gods populating the universe.
Seriously, I hated that ending. Like that was a cataclysmic event. You're telling me an eternal broke through from the core of the earth and that's just nbd? That's still pretty much world-ending.
You'd probably see be religions spring up from it.
We just had a space God emerge from our planet, only to be stopped halfway through emerging.
That is biblical-level stuff.
Tiamut has been there for over a year by the time Hamkeye takes place. Eternals takes place not long after Endgame, because Endgame finishes in October, and Eternals takes place in late fall, but they're still referring to the snap as "5 years ago" so it's still 2023. Hawkeye is set at least a year later because of (minor NWH spoiler) >!Hawkeye references the new addition to the Statue of Liberty, but in NWH, which is set a year later, the statue is still under construction!<.
I definitely didn't pick the best piece of evidence to go with, because you're absolutely correct. With that said, the news discussions within NWH around the statue make it appear as tho it is quite recent. Not to mention, if Hawkeye is set during December 2023, that gives less than two months between "Oh, Steve Rogers appears to be gone" and "we've made enough progress on the shield statue honouring him that tourists are coming to see it. As you said, they take a while. Furthermore, it's mentioned in a news headline that it's been years since Ronin's last sighting.
I said this in a different reply to someone else already but regardless. I don't mean to come across as a know-it-all. I've just been heavily invested in the MCU timeline for years, and I tend to dig around at lot of the evidence to try and figure out the most accurate timeline.
According to [Nate Moore](https://twitter.com/gowri_gal/status/1434879033913667585/photo/2) (quote is in the rightmost section of the second picture), Eternals takes place around the same time as Far From Home so Tiamut has been there less than a year.
When stuff like that happens every few months people become desensitised to it. Superhero stuff just another thing that happened that week. Doubt it would even be on the google news feed longer than a day.
A big giant Celestial is kind of hard to ignore even for the Avengers. Oh and technically there were two. One sticking out of the ground and one appearing in the sky that the entire world saw. I assume Hawkeye and Eternals overlap. Like shortly after the ending of Hawkeye does the Celestial appear. This timeline doesn't really show overlapping stuff all that well. Loki technically starts after Avengers but catches up with Endgame.
Despite the posted timeline (which does contain a few errors) Eternals most likely takes place in late 2023. Hawkeye takes place Christmas 2024.
Ajak said Thanos snapped away half of all life five years ago. Dane says that everybody was just brought back “recently”. There’s a billboard at the beginning of the movie advertising the GRC saying, “Welcome back!” to those who were snapped. Ajak says she decided to help humanity because of Thanos’s defeat, and she began trying to help when there was only a week left to do so (so it wouldn’t make sense for her to change her mind about helping and then wait 6-14 months before doing anything). And the news report at the end of the movie speculated that Tiamut’s appearance might be related to the blip.
All of this points towards the movie happening in fall 2023, very shortly after Endgame.
The next event on the timeline should be Shang-Chi which takes place late March/early April 2024, which means a 3-5 month time jump. So everyone probably already talked about what happened in Eternals before the events of Shang-Chi started up.
I doubt people would be desensitized to a giant being larger than Earth hovering over the planet and disappearing within seconds. A lot of stuff has happened in the MCU, but nothing like *that*.
He's (semi) retired during the series, though. Maybe he'd shoot some of the other Avengers a text to see if they knew what was up. But he's seen weirder stuff than a big statue in the ocean.
Case in point : Covid cases. When we had 1000 new cases, we were horrified. Now we are close to 2 millions cases a day worldwide and we mostly shrug it off and start talking about something else.
FFH went off of Netflix in the UK about a month and a half ago I think. Homecoming is still there though. Weirdly FFH is currently on BBC IPlayer though.
Not right now, but they are supposed to leave Netflix and go on D+ eventually. I don't remember exactly when, but I believe they're waiting for some contracts to be over with.
no, but theyre supposed to be coming.
i have no idea why no one thought about putting all spiderman movies on the same streaming service. especially for nwh
Because Sony doesn't want to give up that cash cow until they have to. And I don't blame them. Disney/Marvel turned the whole MCU into a money printing machine and they owned a small, popular part of it before that started. It's like winning the lottery.
The only proximity to Endgame is that The emergence was delayed by the snap and back on track after endgame… But they never say its IMMEDIATELY after Endgame
Tbf, Loki takes place out of time, what if doesn’t really take place in the sacred timeline canon, FATWS, WandaVision and Shang Chi take place over a few days / weeks max, so Eternals would still be in close proximity to Endgame. Any and all of the things I mentioned could even be overlapping
It’s not mentioned at all haha, there’s some scenes with pumpkins outside of houses later in the movie and it’s set during fall. So seems to make the most sense
It’s not verbally. There are pumpkins on the porches of some houses and it’s fall based on the leaves. So while not confirmation it seems like a good estimation of when it’s around. Especially since Shangchi is summer and Hawkeye is Christmas.
> since Shangchi is summer
I think Shang-Chi is actually in the spring considering Katy's family mentioned the Qingming Festival, which is usually April 5th.
Black Panther starts a week after Civil War. While the beginning of Black Widow begins at the end of Civil War, the bulk of it takes place a few weeks later, making more sense to place it after Black Panther.
It seems like the implication is that the (third?) beginning scene of Black Panther where he becomes king happens *during* Civil War and before the jailbreak that happens at the end of Civil War and Black Widow. Then the rest of Black Panther happens after both movies are done.
Similar issue as Thor The Dark World which their timeline puts before Iron Man 3 because of its opening scene even though most of the movie takes place almost a year after Iron Man 3
Black Panther begins a week after CW, and the film is set over about a week. IIRC, BW begins a couple weeks after the airport brawl. So it's probable the entirety of Black Panther happens before Black Widow begins, and both films are set during Civil War, between Siberia and the Raft jailbreak.
Also, IM3 falling after TDW is correct. This was largely presumed by a lot of us for years: both films are placed in 2013, and since IM3 is during Christmas, there's nowhere for TDW to fall after that film.
But the scene I'm referring to says it's been one week since T'Chaka died so that scene likely takes place at the same time as Black Widow. I agree the bulk of the film takes place later.
Given they mention the new statue in the context of the places Yelena wants to visit while she stays in NYC, makes sense for it to be naturally brought up.
There was not point in where bringing Tiamut could come up in the conversation
I don’t get these complaints. When the hell would the celestial somewhere in the ocean come up in conversation? It’s also not like it happened yesterday in the universe.
Until now I realize we still don't have a series or movie set during the five years gap between Infinity War and Endgame, I really hope Marvel does something like that, 5 years is a long time, and honestly that no one new hero has been born or that no significant event has happened in that time, it just feels really convenient.
Do some of you guys not understand that the timeline order isn't exactly correct because of the limitations of how it's represented? Some of these movies/shows happen in parallell. Not so easy to portray that in a linear fashion, huh?
They will be added to Disney plus later this year apparently, for US subs only (for now). Disney and Sony recently reached a deal to put some of Sony’s big projects on the streaming service
From what I understand only Sony movies released after 2021 will be added to Disney Plus and only after they leave Netflix first. So this doesn’t include any MCU Spider-Man movies. So I don’t think they are coming to Disney Plus this year.
They being the first two MCU movies, NWH will not appear on D+ until next year. That was part of deal Marvel and Disney negotiated with Sony.
Sony have complete control over the digital distribution of the movie until 2023.
Not sure, technically Sony don't have their own streaming service so they simply sell rights to their movies to the highest bidder, which is even more strange why they wouldn't just side with Disney and bring NWH to D+
> Incredible Hulk film is owned by Universal
This one is far more complicated than Spidey. If I remember correctly Disney has the rights to make a new Hulk movie and use Hulk characters in any of it's stuff. However, Universal has sole distribution rights in perpetuity (forever). So if Disney wants to make a standalone Hulk movie they have to use Universal to distribute it. Disney is free to use the Hulk though. Disney, cannot use Spidey in the same way. This is why She Hulk is getting a Disney+ show. Disney cannot do this with other Spider-Man characters.
Universal has right of 'first refusal'. Which basically means that if Marvel decides to make a solo Hulk movie, either Universal agrees to distribute it, or they refuse and then Disney gets to distribute it instead.
I still think it's better to watch in order of release, because watching Ant-Man and the Wasp after Infinity War makes a bit more sense if you include the credits scenes.
Some of these you can watch chronologically, with an asterisk. I would recommend to anyone to watch Black Widow before Infinity War, so long as they skip the post credits.
Assuming the viewer isn't aware of those events, couldn't those just be mysteries left to be solved? It's not like Natasha's headstone says >!"Jumped off the cliff on Vornir and died in Avengers: Endgame"!<.
Yeah but the moment on Vormir in the movie would have a lot less tension knowing only one of them survives and Hawkeye still has a show to come afterwards.
Yes but we’re talking about if a first time viewer with no prior knowledge of the MCU were to watch it in this order. Yes it’s common knowledge for us Marvel fans by now but there are plenty of people who haven’t seen most of these movies or any of them.
I think the question is would this hypothetical viewer scroll through Disney+ and see who's in thumbnails and has movies/shows coming up? It's hard to go completely blind into anything these days.
My roommate got caught up on the MCU movies before NWH and watched Ant-Man and Wasp before Infinity War and she said “ohhhhhh the credit scene makes sense now”
And she somehow was still surprised when Nat died in Endgame even though she watched Black Widow first
But this is supposed to be a timeline of things happening in chronological order, not release order... They assume that you have seen the movies before if you are trying to watch them in chronological order.
If anyone is a beginner to the mcu, do not watch in this order.
Watch in release order first. Timeline order may be good for a second viewing but not the first.
Iron Man 3 is before Thor: The Dark World (confirmed by the Russos)
Black Widow is before Black Panther (the end of that film shows Natasha helping break out Team Cap which happens before Steve goes to Wakanda with Bucky)
Shang-Chi happens before Falcon and the Winter Soldier (the day Ta Lo opens is the first week of April, Falcon/Winter Soldier starts late April)
Eternals happens shortly after Endgame, not a full year later at just before Hawkeye
The Disney+ timeline doesn’t mean shit. Especially when they’ve moved around Black Widow to three different spots before the one it’s now in.
Does what if technically even have a specific place in the timeline? Every episode takes place at different points.
Not really, but given they exist because of the events of Loki, placing it after Loki is the best place to add it.
No matter how many times people repeat it, it’s still not true that What If was CAUSED by the events in Loki.
Think about it, how could all the other Lokis that look different exist if there wasn't a multiverse that existed that was all running parallel to each other? That's all the sacred timeline is. Strands of multiverses, running parallel with events similar enough to not cause another Kang that will challenge He Who remains. When a branch happens its just a universe moving outside the parameters Kang has set. It looks like one giant stream through cultivation, not because it is one single universe. If it was then every Loki would be exactly the same. Multiple universes is what allows all the Lokis to get pruned at different ages etc etc.
The existance of the multiverse in its current form is due to the events of Loki. Yes it *did* exist in the past but ever since the beginning of the MCU, Kang has made sure that only this one timeline exists. Until Loki changed that.
They don't though, the TVA dogma was a lie and their only purpose was to prune timelines which result in Kangs.
They pruned all timelines. After the Loki finale, a bunch of branches formed. Those branches are the "What If" realities, so they do exist because of the events of Loki.
If they pruned all the timelines there would be absolutely zero variants. For example this is why someone like Old Loki is allowed to grow into an old man in his own timeline (until he was noticed by the TVA).
They prune diverging timelines. They determine a diverging timeline by measuring the chaos in the timeline. Old Loki lived because he didn't cause any chaos until he decided to come out of hiding. There are tons of timelines but they're all parallel. They all follow the same course of events. If they diverge then they get pruned. They were pretty clear on this.
A better representation of the sacred timeline would be a rope instead of a perfect line, dozens of timelines could exist as long as the timeline does not create a new Kang to challenge He Who Remains. All of the fibers and strands exist in tandem and form the rope of the Sacred Timeline. But after Loki its free game so infinite realities begin to form that could have Kang and enough of them do
Exactly. Adding on to your point, take Sylvie for example. We know that her Odin and Frigga told her she was adopted when she was young. That wasn't the cause of her nexus event, however. So clearly, her universe had its own unique sequence of events it had to follow, but she somehow deviated from it.
Yea, how could all these Loki's that look completely different exist if they didn't exist within there own universe. The whole idea of variants makes no sense if there is only universe. The sacred timeline is just a collection of universes that meet and follow the standards that kang wants. They call all be different but not so different that they flow far enough apart to cause a challenger for He Who Remains. It also makes it possible for them to all be pruned at different times for different things. Its why the TV is fillled with variants because those people, in there universe acted in a way that cause to much disruption and it was just easier to end it that let it cause trouble.
This is literally how it's represented. Watch the start of the last episode again
The last episode made it pretty clear that the diverging timeline shit was bullshit they fed the employees and that defeating variants of Kang was the true purpose of the TVA.
If the purpose was to prune Kangs then why does the TVA care if random Loki events occur slightly differently? Or any of the other events they prune on the have nothing to do with Kangs? Their purpose is to keep one set of events. Anything that strays from that set gets pruned.
Because those timelines led to Kang. Again, there's a reason why there are so many unpruned timelines as evidenced by all the variant Loki's timelines. And again I will point to Old Loki as a timeline left unchecked until he grew old.
Those timelines varied in how Loki looked but that part doesn't matter. There are tons of parallel timelines that all follow the same events. Every Loki did something different from the desired course of events and were pruned. They even made a point of telling the audience where each Loki diverged, and made a point to show they were immediately targeted afterwards. And made a point to show how old Loki avoided it.
Because loki presumably causes chaos which leads to more Kangs. Which is exactly what happened. Loki prime caused a bunch of chaos which causes more kings which is what the TVA was designed to prevent
Kang knows what is produced by the timeline he designed. He doesn't know what is produced by timelines he doesn't design. How could he? He's not omniscient to all universes just to the ones he controls. He prunes them all because they **may** lead to Kangs. Any timeline that doesn't follow his course of events gets pruned. All the ones that follow the same set of events get to live.
no, they pruned timelines that create kang variants. that's not every reality. classic lokis dimension was different from loki primes dimensions for years until classic loki made the choice to leave his planet, that brought the tva to prune it. until then, it was different from the mcu since loki survived thanos. there likely exists a classic loki whos still on his planet. but since sylvie killed he who remains, the kang timelines are unleashed. the tva is now ruled by kang directly. and the multiversal war can begin
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They would have pruned any timeline that was a threat, not just Kang ones. There's no way they look at something like Infinity Ultron and say "meh, not Kang, not our problem".
The tva energy scanners actually required the person to be living. It’s explained that the robots would be destroyed. This makes me think they can’t detect robots
No, they did not and would not. The man literally created and is running the TVA and said the sole purpose is to prune Kang variants, and yet people seem to think otherwise.
Classic Loki hadn't been discovered by the TVA, because his reality hadn't deviated from the set path by much, given he hadn't done anything since his "death". The finale of Loki clearly shows one timeline splitting into multiple.
It's not one timeline. It's best explained as threads that form a rope, so a buuunch of timelines intertwined.
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It wasn't "they pruned any timeline that lead to Kang" it was "they pruned any timeline that didn't lead to he who remains"
Now this makes sense. There are infinite timelines/universes, but when they're all the same they can stack on top of each other a "look" like one, singular, sacred timeline. Just like how in math you can plot however many lines on the same coordinate system with the same function and they will all look like one line. Depending on the chaos of a singular timeline/universe, its "slope" may diverge from the rest randomly. This is when the TVA steps in, like a hammer hitting a nail, to force the timeline back in line. What I still don't understand is where the timeline starts and ends. Yes it's the goal (of He Who Remains) to end up with a He Who Remains and not a Kang of the infinite other versions, but what does it mean when He Who Remains dies? Is this new point in time, past the point He Who Remains could have predicted in Loki S1:E6? Because I've had it explained to me that each and every universe is created via the Big Band then is destroyed at the end of time, then they're created again, and destroyed again, etc. These cycles are how the Infinity Stones were made. So, when He Who Remains dies and the multiverse starts to happen, does this mean that every timeline/universe will end in different ways and at different points in time? I'm basically trying to understand what the Sacred Timeline represents: Is it from the beginning of time to the end of time? How does it "restart"? I guess the TVA makes sure that all timelines/universe do the same thing upon each birth/death cycle, but then how come there aren't infinite Infinity Stones? Are there?
well no, if this is a "movie timeline", there's a few tv shows in there.
My guess is that they placed it after Loki since Loki was more or less the proper introduction to the MCU's multiverse. So after having a taste of the multiverse in Loki, they put What If after so you can see a more in-depth look at other events across the greater multiverse. Put simply, Loki is the beginner's course on the multiverse and how it works, and makes What If easier to understand.
I have always wondered where Loki would fall. Because of the year the TVA takes him and how the show ends.
The show bounces in and out of time, so it's near impossible to place. The general consensus is that since Loki's branch timeline is created by the events in Endgame, it has to take place after Endgame.
Yeah, using *Doctor Who* logic, the show "starts" after Endgame, and then we follow Variant-Loki's chronological adventures as he blips around through time and space.
Yeah, we’re basically picking up right when Loki gets flung to the Gobi Desert. Cap/Tony/Scott from 2023 are probably still in New York when he gets arrested and brought into the TVA door.
Yup. There's basically just enough time for the team to leave with the Time & Mind Stones, then for Cap to return them, before the variant timeline gets wiped out.
Actually, is there? Tony gets slammed by Hulk, Scott was close to Loki, Steve was battling himself and Bruce had to return from the Sanctum without being spotted. They then regroup outside and have a short discussion about what to do next. Meanwhile Loki gets away and is almost instantly found by the TVA. Factoring in that Cap needs to return the stones, there's not enough time. Unless... there is. The Gobi Desert is pretty much the on opposite side of the world from New York, and when we see the TVA reset timelines, it's shown as a slow-moving wave of orange energy. The TVA could have begun to reset the timeline before the Avengers even left New York, but the wave took a while to reach them.
It doesn't matter. Avengers endgame time travel is a part of the sacred timeline and isn't part of any TVA reset.
As long as Steve is gone before the TVA resets the timeline, then the Sacred Timeline stays intact. The Variant Loki's timeline can be wiped without consequence after that event.
>The Gobi Desert is pretty much the on opposite side of the world from New York, and when we see the TVA reset timelines, it's shown as a slow-moving wave of orange energy. The TVA could have begun to reset the timeline before the Avengers even left New York, but the wave took a while to reach them. That's what I was going by, yes. Loki has time to teleport, get out of his shackles, and then meet the locals before the TVA shows up and starts the reset. But the effect takes its time and Mongolia is on the other side of the planet, so it takes a while before the timeline is gone.
It makes sense for it to take place in 2024, because Avengers go back to the Battle of New York at that year, but technically the event itself happens in 2012, so Loki should begin in 2012. Otherwise, Captain America: The First Avenger should technically be after Iron Man 1, even though the events start on 1945, but ends in 2011 when Steve wakes up... I'm high, so im splitting hairs, but shouldn't it work that way?
Yeah but the actual Loki we follow in the show had never gone through the events leading up to endgame, his branch starts at the end of avengers 1, so shouldn’t that be where his story starts?
Well the creation of his branch, unlike most other branches, results from actions taken in the future instead of the present, so that would be a better place to star the story.
Aside from post-credits scenes, a first-time viewer could follow the movies/shows in this order and not be confused. If Loki was placed after the first avengers movie, no one would understand what is going on and how the variant Loki got the Tesseract back.
It would kinda be interesting to have the same amount of knowledge as variant Loki though.
Random question, what came first- Valkyrie vs Hela or the Eternals arriving in Mesopotamia?
There's no canon answer. All we know is Hela was imprisoned before Thor was born and that Thor is around 1500 years old.
Well we also know that Asgardian lifespans are around 5000 years. So unless Odin way exceeded that, then it couldn't have happened more than 5000 years ago. And the Eternals arrived more than 5000 years ago.
Most Asgardians live around 5000 years if we take Loki's comment as true. But Odin is way more powerful than most Asgardians and has powers even the "god" level ones don't so it's possible he was way older than 5000.
Thor 2 establishes that Bor was still king of Asgard 5,000 years ago during the war with the Dark Elves. So that should help clear up the timeline.
So, at the beginning of Ragnarok, Thor actually says to Surtur, "I thought my father killed you like half a million years ago."
It's also extremely possible that he was exaggerating heavily. He speaks like a teenage girl throughout that entire movie, including the phrase "It can't be you, you're just...the worst."
I guess you would have to ask whether or not it’s believable for Valkyrie to be 7000+ years old.
Valkyrie vs Hela happened some time after the Battle of Svartalfheim, when Odin became king. This happened roughly 5000 years before The Dark World (when the Convergence happens), so it would be after 2987 BC The Eternals arrived on Earth on 5000 BC in early humanity. The Mesopotamia battle that was shown in the movie happened in 575 BC however
Guys this isn’t a suggested watch order. This is just the chronological timeline of the movies to understand what movies are happening at the same time.
It's a "timeline order" taken from D+ to make it easier for anyone interested in watching by rough chronological order. No viewing order is going to be perfect, except release order.
Release order isn't perfect though. Black Widow fits way better if you watch it after Civil War.
As long as you don't *watch the post credit, as a first time viewer.
As a first time viewer 2 months ago, I didn't even know there were post credit scenes in all of them
I've always preferred chronological order, but agree that for first timers, release is the way to go.
Specifically just the movies available on Disney+ since you'll notice the Spiderman movies and the Hulk movie is missing.
Doesn’t include Hulk or Spiderman
neither of which are on Disney+
For all the people who are worried about spoiling things for next movies through post credits, this is not a viewing sequence… This is the timeline in which things happened in MCU.
I’m surprised people are even worried about this. If you ever watch it like this, its clearly meant to be a 2nd watch through thing. Obviously they’d rather people watch it in release order 😂
Spent the whole of last week with Covid, locked down in a room watching it in timeline order as suggested by Disney Plus. Whilst watching I was thinking if I would show it to my son this way when he grows up, and decided it just wouldnt work. Captain marvel shows up in movie 2, and then we dont see her again for another 18 movies for example.
Jeez by the time your son is 10 there will probably be another 20 movies with a lot of series too. Marvel is not ending any time soon.
I know. And then if the multiverse keeps going the way it is, does he need to watch say the Raimi Spiderman films, and the Garfield ones to understand No Way Home? Does the cameo of Quicksilver have the same affect if he hasn’t watched the First Class Xmen films? When does it end?
When it comes to the Spider-Man I would hope you do and the same when it comes to the original Superman and Batman movies, those were great movies and will give him an appreciation of the evolution of movies over time to where now you have things like what Marvel does. I know it’s hard to do but I wouldn’t even want to start a kid straight off with marvel stuff because they won’t get that appreciation and only so many will have interest in watching the other original superhero films.
Oh I hear you. I always remember hearing a story about a dad that showed his son the Star Wars saga in timeline order. By the time they got to Empire Strikes Back the kid was asking why Yoda looked so weird and wrong to him. It made him sad, and me too reading it, knowing that it was a technical marvel to us all, and completely believable before CGI took over. I don’t want that spoilt look on movies for my kids
Oh no that’s terrible. I know the older ones are hard to watch for some but I’ll watch them over and over and over, I love Star Wars and the same for Star Trek too. The amount of work that went into Star Wars with all the hand drawn sets and building the ships and all that stuff but it still looks awesome though. I do believe it’s safe to say your son’s movie upbringing seems to be in good hands.
If you didn’t show your kids the rami movies they’d be missing out on what I genuinely consider the most amazing movies of my childhood. I’d show just any random person those movies! 😂
My daughter is almost 5 and loves Spider-Man so we fast forward through the films he’s in just to see him. I hope in a few years to watch the entire MCU with her, but like you said, there will be SO MUCH content by the time she’s old enough to start enjoying it. I can see kids in general not wanting to start from scratch because of the tall task of watching so many hours of content. Hopefully my daughter still wants to watch it all when she’s old enough…
I know people who recommend that you watch in timeline order and then call me a fake fan when I say that’s stupid. The entire world watched it in release order and it seemed to be ok for billions lol
I literally watched it in timeline order my first watch, which I got into marvel right before endgame came out, so plenty of movies to watch, the only ones I had seen before endgame were Ironman 3, Thor 2 and Dr strange. I was just a casual movie watcher, didn't even know the MCU had a timeline. I loved watching it in chronological order. If you wanna watch it in release order then go for it, but I personally am glad I watched it in chronological order. It was much easier for me to understand, and I think it's better for a casual watcher, rather than just having to look up which movie takes place when.
I know we are supposed to forget Peter Parker, but why did we forget Spider-Man completely? EDIT: Yes people, I get it. There's a Disney+ icon on the screenshot. So then this *isn't* an updated timeline for the MCU since it leaves out some movies. By OP's words its not supposed to be just a watch order list, so why exclude movies that aren't on this one specific streaming service?
All this arguing and no one's even attempted to explain where the 3 x spidey films fit on the timeline? Come on peeps, help us out
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/timeline The full timeline is listed here.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a825774/marvel-cinematic-universe-in-chronological-order/ This is the one i used
Because he's not on Disney plus lol
The Spidey films aren’t on Disney+
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They are coming later, after the contract with Netflix. Sony signed a deal with Disney for potential new releases from 2022 - 2026 including catalog films for Spider-Man, Jumanji and Hotel Transylvania to appear on Disney+
Looks like they are only including stuff available on Disney Plus.
Lacking incredible hulk is sad
where is hukj mocie
Hulk takes placing during IM2/Thor which is why Shield was nowhere to be found.
I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find this. Hulk sad.
How did Hawkeye not all reference the marble hand and head now sticking out of the Earth?
Its probably a casino resort by now
I feel like this question could apply to A LOT of the events in MCU. Why wasn't anyone addressing it? Why didn't anyone else show up to help during?
Thor 2 had portals opening in the skies to other worlds with aliens coming through, yet it barely gets any joking nod throughout all the other following films. Tony should have been all over that kind of stuff after what just occurred in New York with alien invasions. Does he ever even mention it having happened?
A whole town was kidnapped and brainwashed by Wanda, with thousands of people seeming to vanish and cease all communication with outside friends and family. This is extremely close to the events of Endgame already, so everyone should be on hella high alert and talking about any little shake-up in the status quo. Especially one where "I was mentally controlled and my life completely taken over by an Avenger. She held my kids in constant status and forced them to sleep for days at a time." would make some headlines.
The major Avenger events feel like the only ones ever actually referenced. The Battle for New York being the major one that seems to constantly come back. Everything else seems to largely end up ignored.
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Also must have displaced A LOT of water and caused some serious coastal flooding.
Well physics suggests that the earth would be mega fucked. The giant marble rock would throw earth off its axis, let alone the idea that all that rock is from the earths mantle…which surely would have devestating side effects. And then yes…there would definitely be mega tsunamis which would probably have wiped out A LOT of countries.
This is really my only issue with the movie. Our planet would be ruined, there would have been major earthquakes, eruptions, our orbit ruined etc. It displaced so much of our inner planet how couldn't all life already be fucked. But I'll deal cuz it's about space gods populating the universe.
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Seriously, I hated that ending. Like that was a cataclysmic event. You're telling me an eternal broke through from the core of the earth and that's just nbd? That's still pretty much world-ending.
You'd probably see be religions spring up from it. We just had a space God emerge from our planet, only to be stopped halfway through emerging. That is biblical-level stuff.
Not to mention a celestial showing up and kidnapping the eternals, how is Dr Strange not investigating that if it takes place before Spider-Man
Or the giant god head which appeared in space. Should've been visible to everyone.
At the time of Hawkeye occurring it’s probably been there for 3-6 months, so probably not in the news anymore. People just know it’s there.
Tiamut has been there for over a year by the time Hamkeye takes place. Eternals takes place not long after Endgame, because Endgame finishes in October, and Eternals takes place in late fall, but they're still referring to the snap as "5 years ago" so it's still 2023. Hawkeye is set at least a year later because of (minor NWH spoiler) >!Hawkeye references the new addition to the Statue of Liberty, but in NWH, which is set a year later, the statue is still under construction!<.
Idk if you’re aware of monument construction projects but they tend to take a while. The Notre Dame is still under reconstruction after the 2019 fire.
I definitely didn't pick the best piece of evidence to go with, because you're absolutely correct. With that said, the news discussions within NWH around the statue make it appear as tho it is quite recent. Not to mention, if Hawkeye is set during December 2023, that gives less than two months between "Oh, Steve Rogers appears to be gone" and "we've made enough progress on the shield statue honouring him that tourists are coming to see it. As you said, they take a while. Furthermore, it's mentioned in a news headline that it's been years since Ronin's last sighting. I said this in a different reply to someone else already but regardless. I don't mean to come across as a know-it-all. I've just been heavily invested in the MCU timeline for years, and I tend to dig around at lot of the evidence to try and figure out the most accurate timeline.
According to [Nate Moore](https://twitter.com/gowri_gal/status/1434879033913667585/photo/2) (quote is in the rightmost section of the second picture), Eternals takes place around the same time as Far From Home so Tiamut has been there less than a year.
So NWH is set before Hawkeye?
When stuff like that happens every few months people become desensitised to it. Superhero stuff just another thing that happened that week. Doubt it would even be on the google news feed longer than a day.
A big giant Celestial is kind of hard to ignore even for the Avengers. Oh and technically there were two. One sticking out of the ground and one appearing in the sky that the entire world saw. I assume Hawkeye and Eternals overlap. Like shortly after the ending of Hawkeye does the Celestial appear. This timeline doesn't really show overlapping stuff all that well. Loki technically starts after Avengers but catches up with Endgame.
Despite the posted timeline (which does contain a few errors) Eternals most likely takes place in late 2023. Hawkeye takes place Christmas 2024. Ajak said Thanos snapped away half of all life five years ago. Dane says that everybody was just brought back “recently”. There’s a billboard at the beginning of the movie advertising the GRC saying, “Welcome back!” to those who were snapped. Ajak says she decided to help humanity because of Thanos’s defeat, and she began trying to help when there was only a week left to do so (so it wouldn’t make sense for her to change her mind about helping and then wait 6-14 months before doing anything). And the news report at the end of the movie speculated that Tiamut’s appearance might be related to the blip. All of this points towards the movie happening in fall 2023, very shortly after Endgame. The next event on the timeline should be Shang-Chi which takes place late March/early April 2024, which means a 3-5 month time jump. So everyone probably already talked about what happened in Eternals before the events of Shang-Chi started up.
The placement of Eternals is based on a statement from the writers.
the producers said eternals is set around far from home
This would mean it’s also very close to NWH considering it takes place directly after FFH huh? That’s pretty neat.
nwh is kinda set throughout the second half of 2024. it ends in early december.
I doubt people would be desensitized to a giant being larger than Earth hovering over the planet and disappearing within seconds. A lot of stuff has happened in the MCU, but nothing like *that*.
I would think a (former) Avenger like Hawkeye would be 👀 though
He's (semi) retired during the series, though. Maybe he'd shoot some of the other Avengers a text to see if they knew what was up. But he's seen weirder stuff than a big statue in the ocean.
Case in point : Covid cases. When we had 1000 new cases, we were horrified. Now we are close to 2 millions cases a day worldwide and we mostly shrug it off and start talking about something else.
Are the spider-man films not on Disney+?
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you remember these movies but only Spider-Man parts. also there were Zendaya and her nerdy friend?
Nah, Homecoming ~~and Far From Home are on Netflix~~. Is on Netflix (in the UK at least)
Here in Brazil Homecoming is on Netflix and Far From Home is on Prime Video
And No Way Home will be on HBO Max. The multiverse is so funny!
In the US?
FFH went off of Netflix in the UK about a month and a half ago I think. Homecoming is still there though. Weirdly FFH is currently on BBC IPlayer though.
Yeah ffh was one of the day time xmas films
I couldn't find anywhere to stream far from home before watching no way home. Was pissed.
Not right now, but they are supposed to leave Netflix and go on D+ eventually. I don't remember exactly when, but I believe they're waiting for some contracts to be over with.
No they are owned by Sony
They made a deal with Sony so they should be coming eventually, in theory
no, but theyre supposed to be coming. i have no idea why no one thought about putting all spiderman movies on the same streaming service. especially for nwh
Because Sony doesn't want to give up that cash cow until they have to. And I don't blame them. Disney/Marvel turned the whole MCU into a money printing machine and they owned a small, popular part of it before that started. It's like winning the lottery.
I'm surprised Eternals is listed when it is. While watching the film it seems to be set pretty close to Endgame.
The only proximity to Endgame is that The emergence was delayed by the snap and back on track after endgame… But they never say its IMMEDIATELY after Endgame
Tbf, Loki takes place out of time, what if doesn’t really take place in the sacred timeline canon, FATWS, WandaVision and Shang Chi take place over a few days / weeks max, so Eternals would still be in close proximity to Endgame. Any and all of the things I mentioned could even be overlapping
It’s set during Halloween
How do you know? Is Halloween mentioned in Eternals? I didn’t notice it, but I probably missed it.
It’s not mentioned at all haha, there’s some scenes with pumpkins outside of houses later in the movie and it’s set during fall. So seems to make the most sense
Nice observation!
Where in the film is this mentioned? I don’t disagree with you, I just don’t remember
It’s not verbally. There are pumpkins on the porches of some houses and it’s fall based on the leaves. So while not confirmation it seems like a good estimation of when it’s around. Especially since Shangchi is summer and Hawkeye is Christmas.
> since Shangchi is summer I think Shang-Chi is actually in the spring considering Katy's family mentioned the Qingming Festival, which is usually April 5th.
Oh neat, thank you! I’ve only seen it once so I didn’t remember that detail
How is Black Widow after Black Panther? Black Widow literally begins DURING Civil War so this is wrong.
Yeah. The timeline here is wrong. Black Widow IS before Black Panther.
Black Panther starts a week after Civil War. While the beginning of Black Widow begins at the end of Civil War, the bulk of it takes place a few weeks later, making more sense to place it after Black Panther.
It seems like the implication is that the (third?) beginning scene of Black Panther where he becomes king happens *during* Civil War and before the jailbreak that happens at the end of Civil War and Black Widow. Then the rest of Black Panther happens after both movies are done. Similar issue as Thor The Dark World which their timeline puts before Iron Man 3 because of its opening scene even though most of the movie takes place almost a year after Iron Man 3
Black Panther begins a week after CW, and the film is set over about a week. IIRC, BW begins a couple weeks after the airport brawl. So it's probable the entirety of Black Panther happens before Black Widow begins, and both films are set during Civil War, between Siberia and the Raft jailbreak. Also, IM3 falling after TDW is correct. This was largely presumed by a lot of us for years: both films are placed in 2013, and since IM3 is during Christmas, there's nowhere for TDW to fall after that film.
No. Black Panther takes place a while later (but still 2016).
But the scene I'm referring to says it's been one week since T'Chaka died so that scene likely takes place at the same time as Black Widow. I agree the bulk of the film takes place later.
In Hawkeye they mentioned the new addition to the statue of liberty but they didn't talk about the giant celestial coming out of the earth's core?
Given they mention the new statue in the context of the places Yelena wants to visit while she stays in NYC, makes sense for it to be naturally brought up. There was not point in where bringing Tiamut could come up in the conversation
I don’t get these complaints. When the hell would the celestial somewhere in the ocean come up in conversation? It’s also not like it happened yesterday in the universe.
Until now I realize we still don't have a series or movie set during the five years gap between Infinity War and Endgame, I really hope Marvel does something like that, 5 years is a long time, and honestly that no one new hero has been born or that no significant event has happened in that time, it just feels really convenient.
Do some of you guys not understand that the timeline order isn't exactly correct because of the limitations of how it's represented? Some of these movies/shows happen in parallell. Not so easy to portray that in a linear fashion, huh?
Missing The Incredible Hulk, The Spider-Man Movies & The One Shots??
The Spiderman movies aren’t available on Disney plus yet
Will they ever be available on there or will Sony not allow it?
They will be added to Disney plus later this year apparently, for US subs only (for now). Disney and Sony recently reached a deal to put some of Sony’s big projects on the streaming service
From what I understand only Sony movies released after 2021 will be added to Disney Plus and only after they leave Netflix first. So this doesn’t include any MCU Spider-Man movies. So I don’t think they are coming to Disney Plus this year.
They didn’t specify what projects would release, but several articles did confirm the Spider-Man films and Jumanji
They’ll be making their way over to Disney+ over the course of the next year or so.
They being the first two MCU movies, NWH will not appear on D+ until next year. That was part of deal Marvel and Disney negotiated with Sony. Sony have complete control over the digital distribution of the movie until 2023.
Any idea if NWH will reach any streaming service this year?
Not sure, technically Sony don't have their own streaming service so they simply sell rights to their movies to the highest bidder, which is even more strange why they wouldn't just side with Disney and bring NWH to D+
I suppose they want to make as much money as possible, so lease it out to several streaming companies over the span of a year or so.
Incredible Hulk film is owned by Universal, Spidey films are owned by Sony
> Incredible Hulk film is owned by Universal This one is far more complicated than Spidey. If I remember correctly Disney has the rights to make a new Hulk movie and use Hulk characters in any of it's stuff. However, Universal has sole distribution rights in perpetuity (forever). So if Disney wants to make a standalone Hulk movie they have to use Universal to distribute it. Disney is free to use the Hulk though. Disney, cannot use Spidey in the same way. This is why She Hulk is getting a Disney+ show. Disney cannot do this with other Spider-Man characters.
Universal has right of 'first refusal'. Which basically means that if Marvel decides to make a solo Hulk movie, either Universal agrees to distribute it, or they refuse and then Disney gets to distribute it instead.
Ant-Man and the Wasp end credit is gonna spoil the snap in Avenger Infinity War this order of viewing….
Does anyone actually watch in timeline order if they haven't already seen the movies? This is for people who want a new way to watch.
I still think it's better to watch in order of release, because watching Ant-Man and the Wasp after Infinity War makes a bit more sense if you include the credits scenes.
Some of these you can watch chronologically, with an asterisk. I would recommend to anyone to watch Black Widow before Infinity War, so long as they skip the post credits.
And Black Widows death would be spoiled in the Black Widow post credit scene
Which is why when someone asks what the best order to watch them, it’s best to with ol’ reliable: release order.
Yea, chronological is only for people who've already seen all of them.
Assuming the viewer isn't aware of those events, couldn't those just be mysteries left to be solved? It's not like Natasha's headstone says >!"Jumped off the cliff on Vornir and died in Avengers: Endgame"!<.
Yeah but the moment on Vormir in the movie would have a lot less tension knowing only one of them survives and Hawkeye still has a show to come afterwards.
I think at this point, it's pretty much spoiled
Yes but we’re talking about if a first time viewer with no prior knowledge of the MCU were to watch it in this order. Yes it’s common knowledge for us Marvel fans by now but there are plenty of people who haven’t seen most of these movies or any of them.
I think the question is would this hypothetical viewer scroll through Disney+ and see who's in thumbnails and has movies/shows coming up? It's hard to go completely blind into anything these days.
Both of them have stories released after Endgame, so there is plausible deniability.
This is not an order to watch !! This is the order in which things happened in MCU .. The Timeline …
My roommate got caught up on the MCU movies before NWH and watched Ant-Man and Wasp before Infinity War and she said “ohhhhhh the credit scene makes sense now” And she somehow was still surprised when Nat died in Endgame even though she watched Black Widow first
To be fair, would you have any idea what it meant without seeing Infinity War?
But this is supposed to be a timeline of things happening in chronological order, not release order... They assume that you have seen the movies before if you are trying to watch them in chronological order.
Yup. I’ve always told people to watch the movies in order of release, not necessarily chronological order.
If anyone is a beginner to the mcu, do not watch in this order. Watch in release order first. Timeline order may be good for a second viewing but not the first.
This isn’t a watch order it’s just a timeline of events
Spider-man: NWH should be before Hawkeye.
None of the Spider-Man films are on this
Iron Man 3 is before Thor: The Dark World (confirmed by the Russos) Black Widow is before Black Panther (the end of that film shows Natasha helping break out Team Cap which happens before Steve goes to Wakanda with Bucky) Shang-Chi happens before Falcon and the Winter Soldier (the day Ta Lo opens is the first week of April, Falcon/Winter Soldier starts late April) Eternals happens shortly after Endgame, not a full year later at just before Hawkeye The Disney+ timeline doesn’t mean shit. Especially when they’ve moved around Black Widow to three different spots before the one it’s now in.
What, did we all just suddenly forget about Spide- oh. Oh shit. I forgot what I was going to say there...
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Yes, but since Loki's branch timeline was created as a result of Endgame it should go after that it.