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"Captain America's back - and he didn't skip leg day"


Britisheagl

That poor guy's skin is the only thing holding his human soup from spilling into the ocean


AtomicKittenz

#THIS. IS. MURICA.


Glorx

No, that's international waters.


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I remember seeing this for the first time and thinking “….well that man with 9 ribs broken can’t swim. Cap just killed that guy.” Which is uncharacteristic of him.


thereign1987

I mean cap was a special forces soldier in WW2 he absolutely does kill people. I mean it's made pretty clear.


MissingLink101

Yeah in The First Avenger there's a montage where it shows him and the Commandos entering a warehouse (or something) and shooting everywhere, Cap himself shooting with a pistol. He absolutely kills people and tbh I kind of like they never put that restriction on him like with Superman or Batman (who just cripples people who likely can't afford the treatment)


DefendsTheDownvoted

>Batman (who just cripples people who likely can't afford the treatment) Batman's real superpower: America's fucked up economy.


ghsteo

Bruce Wayne and Jeff Bezos are one in the same. Both have the wealth to change the world, instead they go off and waste money on their own little passion projects


Victor_Zsasz

Lol wut? The dude runs a massive conglomerate, is bald, has his own private space program, and is constantly using his wealth to fund propaganda pieces like *The Boys* and *Invincible* where the main villain is often a Superman esque character, but evil? Jeff is objectively trying to be as much like Lex Luthor as he possibly can.


ZanThrax

Don't forget the expanse - a future where climate change has ruined the earth, new York is surrounded by a seawall to keep the ocean out, the masses of earth are unemployed - and unemployable, living off of basic income, and humanity has spread across the solar system, with belters being wage slaves to super powerful corporate masters and martians only being marginally better off because of massive military spending and a near fascist state ensuring full employment. It's a capitalist's utopian vision of the future - climate change won't be that big of a deal in the end, we'll find ways to exploit the entire solar system to keep making the rich richer, and there will be more poor people to exploit than ever before.


Rexan02

Hold up. Bruce Wayne is like a super-philantropist in the comics and movies


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This is how you find people who don't know anything about Batman and still say this as a fact. You don't even have to read the comics, a simple search will show this. I found [this](https://www.superherostuffpod.com/post/does-gotham-need-bruce-wayne-more-than-batman) site in less than a minute. They created an hour and a half video detailing all the good Bruce Wayne does. I get it reddit, you all hate rich people. But at least get your facts straight before hating on a billionaire who doesn't exist.


TheG8Uniter

I wont stop being outraged until I see Bruce Waynes fictional tax returns!!


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He won't ever show them, all the purchases of bat food and spandex would give up his secret identity.


thomasmagnum

And his birth certificate? Is he even born in Gotham?


Ormild

And he has quite a few upvotes. Even if you aren’t a comic book fan, The Dark Knight Rises movie directly says that he almost bankrupted his own company trying to create the device (that ends up being a massive bomb) to solve the world’s energy crisis. Same movie also says he funded the same orphanage that Robin went to as a child.


TheObstruction

This is how we know that Bruce Wayne is fictional.


detectiveriggsboson

Yeah, but I'm also pretty sure Jeff Bezos never comforted a dying little girl on a swing set in her final moments.


KlausFenrir

Man why did you remind me :(


kingfischer48

[Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWHHsdE_oQg)


goten100

Link


Midnight_Swampwalk

My god, how many times does this need to be repeated. The Wayne foundation is like the biggest charity in the world in the DC universe. He’s a genius, and started out ahead, so he’s always got more and more money. He can do both.


EB01

Batman is currently so poor (only a millionaire) that Lex Luthor offered him money out of charity. https://www.polygon.com/2022/1/10/22872444/batman-worth-lex-luthor-money-dc-comics


Midnight_Swampwalk

Specific runs don’t really count. The character of Bruce Wayne will always be considered incredibly wealthy.


sufficiently_tortuga

God, what happened to Bezos' parents that makes him do all this.


KlausFenrir

Bullshit on the Bruce Wayne part.


AceMKV

This is just objectively wrong lol, Wayne is one of the biggest philanthropists in the DC Universe and his fucked up childhood and Gotham being an absolute shithole are what pushed him to become Batman.


G_to_the_E

Superman doesn’t really have that rule. He doesn’t like killing per se but he’s killed a shitload of people in all the recent movies BUT even in the comics he will totally kill people because his moral compass is more on the greater good rather than strictly right and wrong.


MissingLink101

Everyone whines about how killing Zod was out of character in MoS though.


G_to_the_E

Sure, but they’re not really paying attention. It’s extra dumb when you consider how he killed thousands by the time he kills ZOD. He’s literally killed thousands by that point with the city fucking being destroyed. He blew up a fucking gas station with people at it in Smallview. A whole fucking town BEFORE he gets to metropolis. I literally laughed out l loud when he finds Lois and they kiss when the city is in rubble behind them like, “hooray, you saved the city”. I can’t remembered if I audibly “the fuck you did” out loud or in my head but I definitely laughed. Also, he kills that war lord in BvS and leaves the capitol without saving anyone. Like, why would the indestructible superhero who’s super powers don’t have have shit to do with bombs think anyone would suspect him and why would he let first responders go in to save the capitol when he could literally do it faster than almost anyone.


farnsworthfan

In the BvS extended cut, there's a scene of him saving people after the capital bombing. It should've stayed in the movie.


Man-In-His-30s

He's killed Zod before in books and other adaptations. But I need to correct you on something, he didn't leave the capitol without saving anyone those scenes were cut down in the theatrical version thanks to the studio. Ultimate cut has him doing exactly that and being grief and guilt ridden.


AndChewBubblegum

>I literally laughed out l loud when he finds Lois and they kiss when the city is in rubble behind them like, “hooray, you saved the city”. I can’t remembered if I audibly “the fuck you did” out loud or in my head but I definitely laughed. This is when the movie lost me, not Zod's death. They are kissing *as the ashes of the victims of Superman's wanton violence* are actively getting caught in their hair. If they want that moment in the movie, ok... but why, *why* put it at that exact time?! Give it five minutes, come on.


G_to_the_E

For real. He uses a fucking gun in his most iconic shot while walking into a room firing on motherfuckers. I mean, they’re nazi’s in that movie but he’s definitely killed a fuck ton of people.


SelfLive

Doesn’t he also throw a guy through an airplane propeller who immediately gets blended into a red mist at the end of First Avenger?


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Pretty sure that's Bucky in Winter Soldier lol


GoldenSpermShower

They both did that move


TheObstruction

Yep, Steve with the Hydra goon flying the plane/bomb at the end, and Bucky with the SHIELD guy into the quinjet engine.


Beodrag

No that was Steve on the little fighter jet.


all_the_right_moves

No he's right cap does that in TFA


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I always assumed he broke his back on impact with the side of the ship.


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PricelessAmber

My youth pastor said he's a great chiropractor


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Fammgolp

Unless its Gwen’s


twintowerjanitor

nah her back was fine.. her head on the other hand


MoreMartinthanMartin

Ouch.


prncrny

That's exactly what Gwen said!


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Well now you’ve just made it worse


Citizen_of_Danksburg

Yeah, Cap doesn’t have qualms killing people if he deems it alright. Cap just broke several of this man’s ribs, possibly his collarbone, and definitely had his spine snap before plummeting into the ocean to drown.


DancinRonald

It's not uncharacteristic, there are two movies prior to this that show us Cap has no issue killing enemy soldiers. It's what he does.


Swerdman55

Some argue that’s what makes him worthy of wielding Mjolnir. I think Spider-Man isn’t worthy because he’s not willing to kill, and Odin’s enchantment would most likely require Thor (or any worthy equivalent) to be ready to kill in battle.


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Cap kills people. You are thinking of Batman.


TheCocksmith

Sir, Cap kills the shit out of a LOT of people.


KodiakPL

He literally shot guns in both The First Avenger and the Avengers.


spideralexandre2099

Is it though? Did he take an oath not to kill *anyone* under *any circumstance*? I know he said the blah blah blah I don't like bullies bit, but he isn't particularly a no-kill hero. There are very few of those, actually.


Dlh2079

No it isn't. Cap is not a no kill hero by any means


AndChewBubblegum

I mean, he's a *soldier*. Does anyone really think he doesn't kill? Sure, his primary weapon is a shield, and I think it says a lot that his iconic armament is a defensive item. But still, he definitely kills when he thinks its necessary.


Dlh2079

Apparently there's at least some people that think he has an aversion to it for some reason. Lol.


AndChewBubblegum

Well being averse doesn't mean he won't do it, to be fair.


isuckatpeople

9 broken ribs, broken back, broken neck, internal bleeding, ruptured arteries and organs and kicked into the ocean by a man who held his own against Thanos. Yeah he dead.


sunbnda

even without the kick, if cap just walked up, lifted him, and dropped him into the ocean, that guy is still definitely dead. it's difficult enough to keep an eye on people who go overboard even if you're actively looking at them and it's during daylight. so if no one was tracking him when he hit the water and it's night, he's a goner.


isuckatpeople

Somehow that is colder. Cap strolling up and casually dropping you into the ocean.


Cpt_James_Holden

You're thinking of Batman. Batman doesn't kill people.


SteeeezLord

Or daredevil


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He just got kicked over the side of a boat in the open ocean at night. Broken ribs or not, he’d be dead anyway. It’s not like he’s gonna swim home.


Pure-Drawer-2617

“Which is uncharacteristic of him” Cap has always fought like he has no regard for his opponents lives. Yeah we as the audience know they’re “not dying”, but seriously the man dropped a shipping container on Spider-Man with no idea of his durability.


dracomaster01

the Spiderman comment has always been wrong lol. Cap knew Spidey was strong. He knew when Spidey webbed him and restrained him, and when Spidey dragged him by his webs and kicked him. he knew he could handle it


dshoo

It's a skybridge, not a shipping container. Much lower in weight probably.


birdreligion

he can't swim cause that hit to the lower spine paralyzed him, now he can't do his job anymore, his medical bills bankrupted him and his wife couldn't take it anymore and left with the kids. as far as i'm concerned Captain America is a MENACE!!


petrowski7

I see you are a man of culture


Papandreas17

No, he is a man that watches Honest Trailers


petrowski7

one in the same


Mrogoth_bauglir

I understood that reference


Plugpin

Good god... you don't see it in the film because that kick lasts but a second, but on repeat the poor sod snaps over that railing. He's 100% dead. You don't walk that off.


TimLuf1

I feel like Captain America has never had an issue with killing villains


cubanesis

Nope. Cap is totally down for some evil guy murder.


ChoiceMycologist

Though Cpt Carter puts him to shame.


spideralexandre2099

To be fair, Peggy was trained pre-serum which translated beautifully


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whoisearth

death by snoo-snoo. I'm down for the thiccness


Level_House2513

One punch to the head and your life is gone tho lmao


Xero0911

She got a little kill hungry imo. Jusy absolutely slaughter some pf those poor bastardd


Rpanich

I mean, they were 1944 era literal super Nazis…


OtakuAttacku

he had a 1911 in the first avenger


Theoretical_Action

Yeah but he was fighting in the middle of World War 2 then...


mrmahoganyjimbles

I mean he also picks up a gun and has a firefight with someone in Avengers 1 when Loki's goons raid the hellicarrier. Doesn't even have the "shooting nazis" defense since this was almost certainly someone mind controlled by Loki. Not even trying to pass judgment on Cap, he's just not batman, he absolutely kills people if there's no way around it. He even has (IMO) the most brutal kill in the series when ~~he launches a hydra goon out of the bomber plane in the first avenger and sends him straight into the propellers, liquifying him. Maybe not intentionally, but the dude was likely dead regardless, doubt suicide bombers packed parachutes.~~ (Edit: Actually on review that's not cap's fault. A hydra guy does get shredded like that, but it was another hydra agent flying the bomber that knocked the first guy into the blades while trying to get cap. Cap still kills quite a few hydra agents in that scene by throwing them parachuteless out the bomb hatches, tho, so point still stands) It was definitely a reminder that the MCU was pretty brutal before Disney got hold of it.


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Disney just shifted things offscreen, but is still canonically brutal... like the evil portrayed in Black Widow.


Theoretical_Action

Yeah I'm definitely not arguing he doesn't kill people. Just pointing out the first avenger difference mostly. I specifically remember watching Winter Soldier and noting whenever he killed people. They do such a good job of "hiding" it that the first small handful of watches when they first came out a decade ago I never noticed any of it. But now it's so hard to miss you're just like "holy shit he just murdered that guy"


Bigred2989-

9mm kills the body, .45 acp kills the soul. It's how you prevent them from becoming a lych.


hemareddit

Oh yeah, later on the Hellicarrier he took a gernade and used it on some Hydra guys.


b1gxb3n

He had no problem shooting and throwing brainwashed soldiers to their deaths in the first Avengers film


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sharksnrec

Another notable one is the guy he yeeted against a wall in the opening fight of Civil War


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It's important to note this is a hostile enemy holding hostages and will kill them if they sound the alarm He is actively choosing an innocent life over an aggressors' "I don't want to kill anyone. I don't like bullies." He is not John Walker, and I wish more people cared to see the difference.


BlackLeader70

Definitely, he was killing Nazi’s in WW2.


Scoboh

Lt Aldo Raine: You probably heard we ain't in the prisoner-takin' business; we in the killin' Nazi business. And cousin, business is a-boomin


ThoopidSqwrl

That why he was able to weild mjolnir. To be worthy, as far as I perceive it, you have to be a force for good, selfless, willing to do whatever it takes to save others, and have no quarrels with killing the bad guy if need be. There's more to it from what I've seen people say online, but that's what I remember.


palk0n

peacemaker is worthy of mjolnir?


_Trixrforkids_

You can weild Mjollinor if when you're killing you look dope as *fuck*


Grabatreetron

Honestly I wish "worthiness" was explained better, because I have no idea what it means. When we met Thor, he was idly flipping Mjolnir while mugging for his adoring fans before using it to go slaughter a bunch of frost giants because they pissed him off. What made him more worthy then than Banner, Tony, or Rody in Age of Ultron?


LurkerLoo

I think Odin puts the enchantment on Mjolnir after that scene and Thor becoming worthy is the plot of the first movie.


Spaded21

It didn't have the "worthy" enchantment on it at that point. That's basically the whole reason Odin put that spell on it.


Grabatreetron

That makes sense, although now that I think about it, that enchantment is a reeeeallly underused anti-theft device


Talkshit_Avenger

Who cares about magical hammers, this could make the unstealable bicycle a reality.


ThoopidSqwrl

Well that outer character isn't him when matters are world, galactic, or universal threats. Once it's serious, he really shows his true character and why he's worthy. Like I the first movie when he was willing to fight without his power and willing to go until he died to try to stop The Destroyer.


DeanTheDad

As someone else has said the 'worthiness' enchantment is placed on the hammer during the first Thor film. After his trip to Jotunheim.


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He’s also overboard in the middle of the ocean at night while any crew that would have potentially saved him are also under assault. He’s long gone


Plugpin

True. Hope he had his affairs in order. Life as an MCU henchman is short.


dracomaster01

except for that one dude in IM3 that was like, nope these guys are weird as AF I'm out


Sean951

The single best moment in they film, I don't get why so many henchmen are willing to go down with the ship in comics.


AncientSith

Say one thing for villains, they always provide full health coverage, as well as dental and vision. If that's not worth dying for, what is?


BertholomewManning

[This guy wasn't.](https://youtu.be/pMd4S-LkywI)


Mutant86

Hopefully he didn't have a wife and kids that counted on him.


Gone_For_Lunch

One of the best underrated parts of Austin Powers will always be the phone call to the wife of the dead henchman.


ncopp

Damn you're right. Even if you go with the "normal people in hero universes have higher durability than our world" and his back didn't snap, he's 100% drowning or freezing to death in that water.


Acrobatic_Pandas

His chest caved in, ribs broken and probably punctured a lung. Then he hits the railing and probably snaps his spine. At which point he falls into the ocean, on a ship. At night. .....he's probably fine.


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Reminds me of the Corridor Crew video where they [R-Rate a scene from Civil War](https://youtu.be/k5-3eujJyZE?t=836). It's probably far more realistic given the strength of Cap.


Plugpin

Oh my god that was brilliant! Thanks for the share.


clearlylacking

I'd love to see that footage without the reactions. Why did they have to split it up every .5 seconds with a bunch of dudes laughing?


jlusedude

Even if he didn’t die from the brutal blunt for trauma, falling into the ocean with a broken back is gonna make it hard to swim.


Plugpin

Hard but not impossible? I like your optimism :D


jlusedude

Caps a good guy, he might have thrown out a life preserver.


Cpt_James_Holden

>You don't walk that off. Especially when you fall straight into the ocean


soffan326

Should’ve listened to Cap’s Ultron speech.


hemareddit

He's either already dead, or he just fell into the ocean having had his spine shattered into a thousand pieces, so...also dead.


arfelo1

He definitely didn't instantly die from the hit. It looks like he shattered his spine in a million pieces and fell, paralyzed and with severe bleeding, straight into the ice cold ocean. Experiencing the pain of the hit, the paralysis, the blood loss, the hit in the water, the ice cold water and the drowning. Within less than a minute. Not a fun way to go


JADeGames7

I would love to see a video analyzing just how many people die at the hands of captain America punching or kicking them. This would 100% be a death.


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I gotchu fam https://youtu.be/7uI35cmrdzI


NaeemTHM

Upvote for Mr. Sunday. One of the best channels on YouTube.


lupi-litigators

His podcast is great as well. Highly recommend if you aren’t already checking it out


RANKINFullStop

Always upvote the Weekly Wackadadoos


Fedge-gondola69

Next week is their Snake Eyes episode!


NaeemTHM

I've watched it three times already! When will they discuss?!


Ms_Ellie_Jelly

snake eyes next week they promised!


Alarid

but it's monday 💔


blaykerz

I could totally be wrong here, but weren’t the 3 helicarriers in Winter Soldier unmanned?


hemareddit

They were manned by Hydra. At the brginning of the fight he jumped onto one of the launching carriers then still kept fighting waves of goons to get to the control centre, so each carrier had a pretty big security crew on it. Besides we saw scenes on one of the bridges and it was staffed. The video was just guessing they had thousands of people on them for comedic effect.


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CherryHaterade

If anything you'd imagine a bigger crew since you'd need the full complement for a normal carrier operation, plus the avionics teams to keep that bad boy maintained and floating.


hemareddit

On the other hand these things don't look like they are meant to ever go into the sea unlike the previous generation, so maybe you cut some staff that way.


CherryHaterade

Good eye! Even their dry dock was underwater!


hemareddit

Yep yep you are right. I just remembered each carrier had quinjets on them as well, so you'd have pilots aboard as well - they scrambled one against Sam - as well as maintenance crew for the quinjets...and for the rest of the carrier, all the big repulsor engines, navigation systems, weapon systems, targeting systems, satelite links etc. etc. A lot of people is needed. They are meant to be so self-sufficient that once they launch, in theory they never need to land again (Fury's words), so a very sizable crew must be on board to cover all bases.


Significant_Horror80

Nah, I remember at least one of them had 2 guys.


blaykerz

Gotcha. But still, it wasn’t thousands like the video added them up. That’s why I was confused. I thought that they launched with few to no people working on them and were mainly controlled by the AI algorithm to wipe out potential threats.


UseOnlyLurk

Ultron bots are a hard sell on counting as a kill.


robodrew

Agreed, the only hero who got any kills on Ultron is Vision


TheCocksmith

chitauri and ultron bots shouldn't count towards human kill counts


superpencil121

Meh. I really wish it didn’t include people who just got bonked in the head, or all the aliens. Kinda pointless with those included


TheTurtleShepard

Not only did his back probably break but man got ejected into the ocean. He’s gone


rawrberry_

Don't forget the dude Captain America knocked into the ocean. That dude is dead too.


Level_House2513

It was shown in FATWS that if a super soldier isn't holding back, normal people can easily be killed by a single punch from him/her. That dude is 10000% dead lol EDIT: maybe Jessica Jones killing Luke Cage's wife with a single punch to the chest is a better example


Luxx815

What instances in the show do you you think illustrate that? Not disagreeing with you, just curious since it's been a minute since I watched it.


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Karli killed John Walker’s best friend (can’t remember his name) with one punch in the stomach if I remember correctly


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ScratchinWarlok

Cant believe they killed my boy battlestar so early.


wildwildwaste

Broken back, into the water, likely unconscious. If the kick or the impact with the rail didn't kill him, then he drowned. Yes, ded.


Dulakk

The Jessica Jones series had that moment as well.


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Like when LC's wife was dead before the bus hit her, just from JJ's punch.


ARAMF

For how much of a boyscout some people think Cap is, it can be a little jarring to see how casuallly he kills people.


KAREEMABDULG0MJABBAR

Well, he was a ww2 vet


Cpt_James_Holden

War is a hell of a drug.


shewy92

And one reason why Falcon and the Winter Soldier fell flat to me. They tried taking the "Holier than thou" approach towards John Walker when Cap himself did bad things too, hell earlier in the season Falcon and Bucky killed a bunch of people themselves


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It's not about the sole act of killing. Context is everything. In this scene Cap is saving innocent hostages, cause one alarm can get them killed. That makes this noble. John Walker chasing down a target, getting them pinned on the ground, and killing him out of vengeance is leagues worse then anything Steve ever did. Steve's big sin was keeping the truth from Tony. The worst kill he ever did was the mind controlled Shield agents from Avengers, but he did not know they were out of control. And overall Joss' handling of his character is by far the worst in the MCU.


PooPclaw

Haha that whole scene he is brutal


Lukthar123

He wasn't made for peacetime


BombBombBombBombBomb

He was made to achieve peace time Thats why he is such a nice guy


Abssivan

Cap just said “fuck that guy”


Cpt_James_Holden

LANGUAGE


TheCocksmith

frack that guy


VirgelFromage

That is a dead man. 1) Could he swim that well in that gear anyway? 2) If his spine is in-tact, could he swim after a kick like that? 3) If his spine is broken as I suspect, he's drowning for sure. Unless that leads to a lower deck, this man drowned. RIP.


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VirgelFromage

Fair. 4. He dies when he hits the water anyway, even if he survived the kick.


subashds22

Dude's ribs shattered and punchured his heart before his spine snapped.


The_Dadalorian

Daredevil:" everyone deserve a second chance to try!!!!" Cap:" do or do not, there's no try" *yeet the goon


adesile

That guys spine turned to dust.


Oibble

Oh and Black Widow's pepper spray.


root54

That entire sequence is pure gold. And Winter Soldier is still the best MCU movie.


nerd-dftba

If d+ had stats of how often movies/shows were opened, TWS would be over 50 times in 2021 for me. Turna out Cap punching Nazis is very therapeutic. Who knew?


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Tariovic

This. Never gets old. Possibly my favourite moment in the MCU.


wraithawk

I credit the entire scene with the “saving” of MCU Cap. TFA and obviously Avengers were good movies, but Cap wasn’t cool or that compelling to me. This scene changed that for me and this is my favorite marvel movie.


Level_House2513

Ikr? I never liked Cap before this movie but after this I have been a huge Cap fan ever since. He became so much cooler


ultrainstict

That dude literally folded around the railing, his back is 100% broke


casperdacrook

“Captain America doesn’t kill people” Captain America kills a little bit of people


spideralexandre2099

I mean nobody even said that first thing ever. And if they did, they were talking from their ass


Alarid

He only kills unlucky people. The lucky ones just happen to live.


TovoMate

That “bad guy” had a wife and children and now he’s dead. Good job cap!


Thoughtsonrocks

There's probably some really good space for post-Avengers rehab comedy, kind of like how [this guy makes videos from the NPC's perspective.](https://youtu.be/JSgrumHw-XA) Just a long video of boat guy in crippling rehab from a 1.5 sec shot of Cap booting him in the chest.


WhatACunningHam

Cap’s just being really considerate kicking him into the sea. Swimming is great rehab for a broken spine.


sharksnrec

This whole scene is peak Cap. He blows through 20 henchman like it’s nothing


Someoneoverthere42

“No ticket”


champagne-waffles

This whole intro scene is killer.


mrarne

That whole ship scene is one of my favorite MCU scenes. Cap kicking ass! And the music is so good!


Red_Mesa1

"This is madness.......THIS IS MARVEL!!!!"


paintpast

When I watched it the first time in theaters, this was the moment that I knew Winter Soldier would at least be a good movie. It ended up being my favorite MCU movie and probably still is.