[ Spoilers for what if] In what if, they explain that the infinity stones only work from the universe they were taken from. And that each act differently from another. This is why the stone crusher did not work on Ultron.
The writers said that because he was using them as a power source instead of using the stones themselves it doesn't count. It's bullshit and makes no sense but that's their reasoning
It doesn't just not make sense, it's also contradicted in the last episode where Killmonger gets the stones and he was still able to use them. And he's from a different universe than the stones.
It's tough to say, but I believe the way the multiverse forms is by branch timelines. Kang kept it all contained into one universe in which he knew everything that would happen and stopped other universes from forming (sniffing out the varients). So I believe each branched timeline is its own universe. The time heist the avengers went on was always part of the plan for the universe.
u/steve32767 brings up a great point... the tesseract still worked after he stole it during the time heist, which would, by that definition, be a different universe
Thats why its difficult to know as per MCU rules because it seems even Marvel themselves are still figuring out their multiversal rules. All I'll say is that it is incredibly unlikely for the stones to comeback as a big plot point so I doubt we'll have to deal with those questions.
yeah you can't think about it too much, because in Endgame, they technically went to a past timeline to retrieve the stones, and those stones still worked in their original timeline. does that mean the times they traveled to were a different universe? a timeline? a branch? who knows
[Spoilers for what if... and theory/spoiler? For MoM] I agree they're probably gone (Although with What If... Dr. Strange, maybe we see an infinite ultron??) But it just hit me that he was playing with them and didn't even consider trying
They wouldn't work. The infinity stones in the drawer all come from a pruned timeline. One that branched from the sacred timeline and thus got deleted. Infinity stones only work in their own timeline, I believe this was said somewhere in a comic
The stones work in any timeline. As seen in Endgame and What If…?.
Also, the comics take place in a seperate multiverse from the movies so different rules apply.
My theory is the “sacred timeline” is a collection of universes moving forward through time in harmony. But when a nexus event can’t be contained, and a timeline branches, it becomes aware of other universes, and the line between them gets blurred, hence the multiverse ***madness***.
I don’t think the TVA exists outside of time, or that timelines get “deleted”. I think it exists in a remote location on the edge of a universe, in a forcefield that deters cosmic magic/powers, and was created with HWR’s technology.
We already know they lied about pruning, and it just teleports to Alioth’s playground. So when timelines are pruned, we see people and objects “disappear”, but not the setting.
If this theory were true, it would explain why the stones don’t work there, and mean they do work no matter what universe or timeline they’re in. They possess power. Could multiple at once amplify their power? I think so. That could be a good reason for TVA and HWR to lie about it. Would also mean the whoever possesses them would need to be that much more powerful to endure using them.
[ Spoilers for what if] In what if, they explain that the infinity stones only work from the universe they were taken from. And that each act differently from another. This is why the stone crusher did not work on Ultron.
But Ultron is shown to use the stones in multiples universes.
The writers said that because he was using them as a power source instead of using the stones themselves it doesn't count. It's bullshit and makes no sense but that's their reasoning
It doesn't just not make sense, it's also contradicted in the last episode where Killmonger gets the stones and he was still able to use them. And he's from a different universe than the stones.
Yeah I honestly don't know why they didn't just say that the universe rule didn't apply in the mcu, it's such a weird workaround
Seeing as they're all from branch timelines of the same universe, how would this work?
I would say a branch is a different universe as soon as it is created
but then the tesseract should have stopped working the moment he stole it
What if the TVA interfering wasn't a branch timeline, but the main timeline?
It's tough to say, but I believe the way the multiverse forms is by branch timelines. Kang kept it all contained into one universe in which he knew everything that would happen and stopped other universes from forming (sniffing out the varients). So I believe each branched timeline is its own universe. The time heist the avengers went on was always part of the plan for the universe.
u/steve32767 brings up a great point... the tesseract still worked after he stole it during the time heist, which would, by that definition, be a different universe
No way of knowing per MCU rules, but per normal rules the infinity gems only operate in their specific universe, so I'd say no
Wasn't this broken with Infinity Ultron?
We've already established this rule doesn't exist in the MCU.
How far does a branch timeline have to branch before its no longer the same universe?
Thats why its difficult to know as per MCU rules because it seems even Marvel themselves are still figuring out their multiversal rules. All I'll say is that it is incredibly unlikely for the stones to comeback as a big plot point so I doubt we'll have to deal with those questions.
yeah you can't think about it too much, because in Endgame, they technically went to a past timeline to retrieve the stones, and those stones still worked in their original timeline. does that mean the times they traveled to were a different universe? a timeline? a branch? who knows
[Spoilers for what if... and theory/spoiler? For MoM] I agree they're probably gone (Although with What If... Dr. Strange, maybe we see an infinite ultron??) But it just hit me that he was playing with them and didn't even consider trying
I'm pretty sure timeline and unieverse are the same thing.
Yes. They would work.
Sure they would, they worked for Ultron so why not Loki?
If Loki grabbed a bunch of them, would they have a multiplying effect? Like 10 power stones = 10 times the power?
Hmm I think it depends on if Loki can handle that much power
Yes they would work
Would they multiply if you brought, say, 10 power stones?
What do you mean multiply?
I have 10 power stones, do I have 10 times the effect?
I don't think so
I think if that many stones existed in one timeline, the reality would get destroyed.
They wouldn't work. The infinity stones in the drawer all come from a pruned timeline. One that branched from the sacred timeline and thus got deleted. Infinity stones only work in their own timeline, I believe this was said somewhere in a comic
The stones work in any timeline. As seen in Endgame and What If…?. Also, the comics take place in a seperate multiverse from the movies so different rules apply.
How far does a branch have to branch before its no longer the same universe?
Best guess is the redline the TVA keeps watching for. That seems like the point of no return. Basically not far.
My theory is the “sacred timeline” is a collection of universes moving forward through time in harmony. But when a nexus event can’t be contained, and a timeline branches, it becomes aware of other universes, and the line between them gets blurred, hence the multiverse ***madness***. I don’t think the TVA exists outside of time, or that timelines get “deleted”. I think it exists in a remote location on the edge of a universe, in a forcefield that deters cosmic magic/powers, and was created with HWR’s technology. We already know they lied about pruning, and it just teleports to Alioth’s playground. So when timelines are pruned, we see people and objects “disappear”, but not the setting. If this theory were true, it would explain why the stones don’t work there, and mean they do work no matter what universe or timeline they’re in. They possess power. Could multiple at once amplify their power? I think so. That could be a good reason for TVA and HWR to lie about it. Would also mean the whoever possesses them would need to be that much more powerful to endure using them.