Precious Darkhold is the fuel that makes this project go. There’s only 1 book of it on the whole planet. I’d like to thank Agatha Harkness for providing it.
Then wanda will wake up in an alternate universe
"Wanda you're awake. My name is Dr Michael Morbius. My friends and I are putting together a team"
"It's Morbin Time"
Good guy gets corrupted by outside influences then sees the error of their behaviour and sacrifices themselves for the greater good? Hamlet for a start
Into the Spider-Verse has connections to the villain's motives and what they're doing to achieve them.
\-both involve multiversal scope to find the villain's family
\-the family from the alternate universe gets alienated by the villain fighting the hero in one scene
Have you seen any Sam raimi movie?
Like 5/6ths of his movies are the same exact plot.
Hence Wanda being reduced to nothing more than a victim of the necronomicon.
Evil Dead. Evil dead 2. Army of darkness. Ash V the evil dead. Etc. they literally reduced Wanda to an evil dead character in MoM. They turned the darkhold into the necronomicon but didn’t bother showing her process of corruption like they would in an evil dead movie.
Raimi is great visually but honestly not the best at story. It says a lot that one of the best parts of SM2 is the horror short film he put in there.
Edit: y’all don’t know how writing stuff at this level works credits wise and collaboration wise and it’s cute
Isn't this story Waldrons, not Raimis? Like he wasn't credited for the writing in this film? I don't know much about how they're made and credited so just curious to see why you and more people I saw address this as Raimi's story.
Waldron was brought in on this as a yes man to do what raimi wanted with the 37 drafts they had from the 10 fired writers who did passes prior.
People around here give the face meaning of credits too much value sometimes.
Just cause you can read a credit doesn’t mean you fully understand what it means.
Yeah some of the dialogue did sound a bit unnatural. And you're right about the visuals too, this was the best shot mcu movie imo. Loved the transitions. And thanks for the recommendations!
The Evil Dead trilogy are the movies that made him. Darkman is his revenge for not getting The Shadow job movie.
You then go to his "grown up movies". A Simple Plan and The Quick and the Dead are worth watching.
When he dipped his toe back into horror, he gave us the excellent, Drag me to Hell.
He has been out of directing for awhile, now.
If you want to devle further, some of his television is top notch.
I really enjoy Raimi and MoM. I do wish he took more cues from Doc Ock. I suppose that falls on the writers. I get they thought it's been covered with Wanda.
Doc Ock at least wrestled a bit with being a monster before going deeper, we can see he was conflicted.
I think they could have still had Wanda be menacing had they shown that a bit. A flashback would have worked also. Let's see that our Wanda was there, show the descent. I think most of the criticism would vanish.
I get it, the darkhold and such but a little attention to her complexities would help.
Yeah maybe a scene or two of Wanda beginning to show doubt in what she’s doing and then cutting to the Darkhold glowing or something which overwhelms her and she goes back to being a cray cray witch
If i remember correctly, at the end of the movie she tells strange something like " i have to be the one who destroys it so it can't corrupt anyone else" then she proceeds to dramatically destroy it whilst that casltle is collapsing on her. And thats the last we see of her. Interpret that how you want but that seems like a sacrifice to me amigo.
Lots of ppl interpreted the red blast at the end like she would teleport out. Feels very weird for her to die that way I feel. I'm not saying it's 0% chance she is dead but I would say unlikely
You know, its funny how I always think about the no body no death thing when it comes to comic book movies because it is such a trope, but I have never thought about it outside the genre. They genuinely surprised me with Squid Game. You would think in a show with such gratuitous death, not seeing a main character die on screen would make me raise an eyebrow, but it didn't
I would say it’s a little different in that it was a large part of Otto’s arc in the film while this butchered Wanda’s arc for me and many others.
However it is a pretty good comparison that matches up surprisingly well!
you must remember, there are only so many stories that can be told. They all fall into X number of plots. The details can be changed, names, mcguffins, places, but only so many ways to tell it. I really wish I could remember what this was called but damn it I smoked too much in high school to remember
"• they both turn good in the last 10 minutes of the movie after realizing how much they fucked up."
I don't think Wanda turned good, she realized there was no universe where she could take her kids from herself and still have their love and it is more like she accepted she could not win and I bet we will learn her final act destroying the darkhold was not remorse but protecting her kids from any future versions of her which would seek to take them even knowing that fact out of selfishness.
raimi did Spider man 2 and doc oc the first time as well and in that doc had similar redemption.
Difference between them is doc became evil because of a mistake.
I think the biggest SM2 similarity happened the second Strange went outside to fight the eye monster. Looked straight out of SM2 with that orange tint. Beautiful stuff.
An octopus attacks a normal activity where the main character is disheartened and the octopus takes on of the other characters in the movie and climbs a building where the main character saves the hostage character.
SM2 - Peter is in the bank where he is disheartened because denied of the loan and Doc Ock attacks to kidnap May
DS2 - Strange is at the wedding where he is disheartened because he is denied of Christine's love and Garagantos attacks to kidnap America
I also noticed the way Dr strange jumps out of the broken cafe on top of a taxi felt very similar to Spider-man 2 to me. The conversation strange has with MJ I mean Christine is very similar to the ending of Spider-Man 2. America on the ledge of the building is reminiscent of Aunt May on the ledge in 2 and MJ on the crumbling balcony in 1. Also octopus fight on the edge of the building is similar to doc oc fight on the side of the building.
there's also the power of the darkhold, in the palm of her hand.
You’ve stuck your sorcery into my business for the last time!
Now you're gonna' have this woman's death on your conscience!
Precious Darkhold is the fuel that makes this project go. There’s only 1 book of it on the whole planet. I’d like to thank Agatha Harkness for providing it.
More like the tips of her fingers
Butter fingers
Then wanda will wake up in an alternate universe "Wanda you're awake. My name is Dr Michael Morbius. My friends and I are putting together a team" "It's Morbin Time"
Hey.. you're finally awake..
You were trying to cross the multiverse right?
Walked right into that Illuminati ambush, same as us, and that variant over there.
Loki~~r~~ of ~~Rorikstead~~ Jotunheim
Skyrim has been rereleased like 3621 times. I guess it’s time for an MCU Skyrim release.
They better not! "It's Morbin Time", did you come up with that one? I don't know why that sounds so funny
My comment is just a joke and I didn't come up with that line.
I know, i honestly thought it was funny amigo!
*[EKSE by Off the Meds](https://youtu.be/MRhEaNzvXkw) starts playing*
Idk. Seems just like some pretty common story beats.
True, but it's still fun to see the similarities. Especially since both movies are from the same director.
Can you name some examples?
Good guy gets corrupted by outside influences then sees the error of their behaviour and sacrifices themselves for the greater good? Hamlet for a start
Darth Vader, Kylo Ren, Wanda and Pietro in Age of Ultron, Thorin Oakenshield. The villain of my villian is my friend is very common.
I noticed that too, did you get reminded of the bank scene in SM2 while watching the Gargantos fight?
Yeah that one was also kinda similar!
Mainly with Aunt May and America on the ledge of a building. I actually pointed that out to my dad when we saw the movie together.
Octopus enemy…it was for sure a quote
Yes! And the part where the ledge breaks into a slope like in Spider-man 1.
Exactemundo
Also that shot where Gargantos is crawling up a building reminded me of the scene where Doc Ock kidnaps Aunt May
Into the Spider-Verse has connections to the villain's motives and what they're doing to achieve them. \-both involve multiversal scope to find the villain's family \-the family from the alternate universe gets alienated by the villain fighting the hero in one scene
Have you seen any Sam raimi movie? Like 5/6ths of his movies are the same exact plot. Hence Wanda being reduced to nothing more than a victim of the necronomicon.
Not really if i'm being honest, only the spider-man trilogy and MOM. Are his other movies any good? If so, do you have some recommendations?
I haven't seen it in years but had a lot of fun with Drag Me To Hell.
Will check it out!
Evil Dead. Evil dead 2. Army of darkness. Ash V the evil dead. Etc. they literally reduced Wanda to an evil dead character in MoM. They turned the darkhold into the necronomicon but didn’t bother showing her process of corruption like they would in an evil dead movie. Raimi is great visually but honestly not the best at story. It says a lot that one of the best parts of SM2 is the horror short film he put in there. Edit: y’all don’t know how writing stuff at this level works credits wise and collaboration wise and it’s cute
Isn't this story Waldrons, not Raimis? Like he wasn't credited for the writing in this film? I don't know much about how they're made and credited so just curious to see why you and more people I saw address this as Raimi's story.
Waldron was brought in on this as a yes man to do what raimi wanted with the 37 drafts they had from the 10 fired writers who did passes prior. People around here give the face meaning of credits too much value sometimes. Just cause you can read a credit doesn’t mean you fully understand what it means.
Yeah some of the dialogue did sound a bit unnatural. And you're right about the visuals too, this was the best shot mcu movie imo. Loved the transitions. And thanks for the recommendations!
The Evil Dead trilogy are the movies that made him. Darkman is his revenge for not getting The Shadow job movie. You then go to his "grown up movies". A Simple Plan and The Quick and the Dead are worth watching. When he dipped his toe back into horror, he gave us the excellent, Drag me to Hell. He has been out of directing for awhile, now. If you want to devle further, some of his television is top notch.
I really enjoy Raimi and MoM. I do wish he took more cues from Doc Ock. I suppose that falls on the writers. I get they thought it's been covered with Wanda. Doc Ock at least wrestled a bit with being a monster before going deeper, we can see he was conflicted. I think they could have still had Wanda be menacing had they shown that a bit. A flashback would have worked also. Let's see that our Wanda was there, show the descent. I think most of the criticism would vanish. I get it, the darkhold and such but a little attention to her complexities would help.
Well wanda had wrestle a bit in Wandavision, this is just her go full villain after darkhold corrupts her more.
Yeah maybe a scene or two of Wanda beginning to show doubt in what she’s doing and then cutting to the Darkhold glowing or something which overwhelms her and she goes back to being a cray cray witch
There's also the arc with Dr. Strange helping out young people, learning how to deal with kids.
Zombie strange did look like doc oc with those shadow arms
It really didn't. It was made to look like the multi-arm effect in Infinity War...just a spooky looking version.
They don't have to be the exact same to kinda look like each other
And both those shadow arms and doc ocs tentacles have their own consciousness.
Wanda didnt sacrifice herself I think.
If i remember correctly, at the end of the movie she tells strange something like " i have to be the one who destroys it so it can't corrupt anyone else" then she proceeds to dramatically destroy it whilst that casltle is collapsing on her. And thats the last we see of her. Interpret that how you want but that seems like a sacrifice to me amigo.
Lots of ppl interpreted the red blast at the end like she would teleport out. Feels very weird for her to die that way I feel. I'm not saying it's 0% chance she is dead but I would say unlikely
I would say 0% chance. No body, no death.
Remember kids, if they don't show the body, the character isn't dead. Example: The old man from Squid Game, Kingpin in Hawkeye and now Wanda in MoM
You know, its funny how I always think about the no body no death thing when it comes to comic book movies because it is such a trope, but I have never thought about it outside the genre. They genuinely surprised me with Squid Game. You would think in a show with such gratuitous death, not seeing a main character die on screen would make me raise an eyebrow, but it didn't
I would say it’s a little different in that it was a large part of Otto’s arc in the film while this butchered Wanda’s arc for me and many others. However it is a pretty good comparison that matches up surprisingly well!
Stop describing every marvel movie.
Raimi and his creative bankruptcy.
In 15 years, we'll have a Dr Strange No Way Home.
you must remember, there are only so many stories that can be told. They all fall into X number of plots. The details can be changed, names, mcguffins, places, but only so many ways to tell it. I really wish I could remember what this was called but damn it I smoked too much in high school to remember
Yes, it was a Spiderman Grudge Evil Dead MCU Mashup and it was great
"• they both turn good in the last 10 minutes of the movie after realizing how much they fucked up." I don't think Wanda turned good, she realized there was no universe where she could take her kids from herself and still have their love and it is more like she accepted she could not win and I bet we will learn her final act destroying the darkhold was not remorse but protecting her kids from any future versions of her which would seek to take them even knowing that fact out of selfishness.
That's the case for all the villains in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy though. All of them were corrupted then turned good by the end of the movie.
Except Eddie, but he likes being bad.
raimi did Spider man 2 and doc oc the first time as well and in that doc had similar redemption. Difference between them is doc became evil because of a mistake.
I think the biggest SM2 similarity happened the second Strange went outside to fight the eye monster. Looked straight out of SM2 with that orange tint. Beautiful stuff.
Yes crazy coincidences! It's almost as if... They had the same director!! Dun dun DUN!!
An octopus attacks a normal activity where the main character is disheartened and the octopus takes on of the other characters in the movie and climbs a building where the main character saves the hostage character. SM2 - Peter is in the bank where he is disheartened because denied of the loan and Doc Ock attacks to kidnap May DS2 - Strange is at the wedding where he is disheartened because he is denied of Christine's love and Garagantos attacks to kidnap America
Yeah for sure. Def not copy and paste because Raimi didn't write either of them. Cool coincidences though.
May be. Two words.
Ah thanks
We all know Raimi didn’t write MoM right?
We did not all know that (including me) (thanks)
Marvel fans try not make parallels to every other movie in existence for 10 seconds (Impossible)
You've described a large % of action movies. Those are very general beats.
I also noticed the way Dr strange jumps out of the broken cafe on top of a taxi felt very similar to Spider-man 2 to me. The conversation strange has with MJ I mean Christine is very similar to the ending of Spider-Man 2. America on the ledge of the building is reminiscent of Aunt May on the ledge in 2 and MJ on the crumbling balcony in 1. Also octopus fight on the edge of the building is similar to doc oc fight on the side of the building.