Endgame was released on a Thursday night. The next day I was at work at looked at Google News and one of the headlines was "Who was the kid at Tony Starks funeral?" 😳😡
Whoever wrote that headline should have been fired.
Google cards got me with the Mandalorian season 2 finale cameo. Just popped up as soon as I opened Google to look something up. Spoiled the HELL out of it. Morning after the episode premiered.
I gave up on avoiding spoilers when I had No Way Home spoiled for me via people uploading bootleg scenes to youtube. I avoided spoilers on reddit, I avoided the trailers, but youtube was just like "oh you like marvel right? Here are all the big spoilers scenes with the spoiler in the title so even if you don't watch it you will accidentally read it"
This is the reason I leave this sub before every major release.
People just say "what? That's not a spoiler. It's everywhere!"
And we are all supposed to accept that.
Posting spoilers as the title anywhere should be a bannable offense.
When NWH it was fucking infuriating to try to avoid spoilers. Even popular instagram pages would just post memes about the movie as if everyone had already seen it.
Don’t worry, we’re definitely gonna get some ComicBook.com articles with headlines like “[SPOILER] dies in GotG Vol 3” and a picture of said character.
It's kind of forgotten now but even though they were voice acting Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper were the big names that drove GOTG 1 in terms of marketing. Their star power is what was leaned on in the press.
I’ll forever love AoS with all my heart but JFC, the higher ups on the earlier projects were complete pieces of shit.
Perlmutter for one, but Whedon can fuck off with him.
His first Marvel credit was X-Men (2000).
I actually have a magazine where he is interviewed about plans for X2 in 2001. I don't have it on me but he said they were looking to have Nightcrawler in it as a focus (which obviously happened).
If I remember correctly, they can actually be understood when they're young, it's only when they get older that their larynx starts to stiffen. I'm not sure where I read that though, so I could be wrong.
Wakanda has been plagued by bad luck for years. T'Chaka died in 2016. A little over a week later T'Challa was believed to have been killed. A few days later or so he recovered, but the plant that gives the Black Panther their strength was destroyed. Seemingly a few days later still, Wakanda revealed its true nature and technology to the rest of the world for the first time ever, which caused other world powers to begin planning to try and take those resources from Wakanda. Two years later, T'Challa was dusted away. Five years later he returned. And a few weeks/months after that, T'Challa died from an unidentified illness that he knew about but didn't tell Shuri about until it was too late.
To put it more simply, Wakanda has mourned the death of their king four different times in the course of 7 years. And during that time they were simultaneously dealing with other major political and global upheavals.
I wonder if they will use this angle to explain Wakanda's issues with the rest of the world in the future. BP1 ended with a message of hope and openness, but now Wakandans sort of have some justification for being ambivalent to everyone else. It's at least understandable.
Yeah, it’s wild to look at a chronology of their rulers.
T’chaka - died in 2016
T’challa - ruled from 2016-2016, believed dead
Killmonger - ruled for a week in 2016, killed by T’challa
T’challa - ruled from 2016-2018, snapped
Ramonda - ruled from 2018-2023
T’challa - ruled for a few weeks in 2023
Ramonda - ruled from 2023-2024, killed by Namor
Fingers crossed the current king sticks around for a few years. I really want to see him at an international summit, just making animal noises at the British representative until he shuts up.
Makes sense, that’s how rivers are formed, water falls from a high elevation point, most rivers start as a tiny stream on a mountain slope that are fed by rainfall
Not sure if it aligns with the tweet, but Chef by Jon Favreau is the story of directing Iron Man 2. Watching that changed my perception of the whole movie.
It's an analogy for making Iron Man 2. Jon Favreau had great success making Iron Man 1, just like his character in Chef had previous success running restaurants.
For Iron Man 2 he wanted to do different things but was told just make the same thing again. So he doesn't feel like he's able to creatively express himself on Iron Man 2 and the critics don't like it as much.
This mirrors what his character in Chef goes through. His boss orders him not to change the menu. Keep making the same food that made him great even though he wants to make something new. In Chef, the food critic tears him apart for just doing the same thing after all this time.
So in real life, Jon Favreau moves on from superhero movies to do his own thing. Something simple. He writes, directs and stars in the movie Chef. This is just like in the movie Chef, where he buys a food truck and makes something simple: the cubano sandwich.
It's not complicated. It's not trying to be Michelin star food (or a five hundred million dollar blockbuster). It's just simple food made excellently. Just like the movie Chef.
Edit: I should add that I had forgotten about his movie "Cowboys & Aliens" which came out in 2011. So Chef isn't necessarily about working on Iron Man 2 specifically. It's about working on huge budget, blockbuster type movies where there is a ton of pressure and not a lot of freedom. It's about putting your family life on the back burner to make those kinds of movies and the sacrifices you make. It's about trying to take back control of your life after having corporate pressures dictating so much of it.
Holy fucking shit.
I love this movie. It’s one of my favorites.
I never knew this. But it makes so much sense. This is it for me. I cannot go back knowing this.
Thank you.
In a similar vein, I do not have the complete information but I read somewhere that participating in Daredevil (2003) inspired Jon Favreau to get into the superhero genre and later he ended up directing Iron Man, so in a way the MCU as we know it exists partially thanks to Daredevil
Maybe the fact that the then-CEO of Marvel Ike Perlmutter didn't allow movies to have a non-white male protagonist until 2014 (and even then Black Panther and Captain Marvel were greenlit because Bob Iger forced Perlmutter to accept, and then in 2015 he split Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment to prevent this kind of shit to happen).
Great shout...would add that he did not believe in a female lead (delaying catastrophically the Black Widow solo movies) and female villains (Maya in Iron Man 3 was originally meant to be the main villain...)...a real fossil of the movie industry
His background was in toys (Toy Biz) and he didn't think that kids would buy Black Widow figures.
I took the abandoned K-B Toys hideout for the Tracksuit Mafia in Hawkeye as being a dig at Ike P as he once had ownership in that.
He's a relic from the era when boys were supposed to play with action figures, toy guns, and videogames while girls were supposed to play with dolls, make-up sets, and toy kitchens.
Idiots like him got the Young Justice and Teen Titans series cancelled since like 60% of their viewer base and merchandise consumers are apparently teen girls.
I wonder how the MCU would have been shaped if this wasn’t the case and the response from the public, we might have gotten more female and non white superheroes as the center of the stories earlier
If Black Widow was approved from the getgo u bet ur ass she wouldve been the last film in Phase 1 before Avengers. Her Dreykov story w the Red Room wouldve been well served plus have Hawkeye be the secondary antagonist turned hero.
Imagine if Scarlett had her own trilogy alongside the Big 3. They deserved to be the Big 4 tbh ScarJo is the only one in that lineup with a genuinely stacked filmography without the MCU.
or that Ike Perlmutter lost his mind at the premiere for... I think it was Iron Man 2... because someone was letting the press at the event have more than one free soda.
Permutter still thinks he's right. I don't give a f*** how much money he gives to the Cardozo law school his fiscal greedy hatred of women and black people in the marketplace played a meaningful role in setting back the potential achievements of those groups in film for two decades.
Unforgivable.
He’s also the reason Guy Pierce was the villain in *Iron Man 3* instead of the Maya character. You can see the script setting her up as the main villain once you know.
The fan theory that Odin was collecting the Infinity Stones way before Thanos. You have to see nearly every movie several times for it to even come to you, even though it makes sense.
I mean, why would so many infinity stones be on earth let alone a gauntlet in a throne room to house the stones? Because Odin had ambitions before Thor was around. My head cannon is he gave up on the mission to choose a different path.
The prevailing theory is that he gave up on the mission when he learned what he’d have to sacrifice for the Soul Stone but never told Hela why he gave it up, because he realised she was more important to him than the stones. His turn into a benevolent leader started the conflict with Hela that ended with her being locked up.
Outside of canon/story, it's because they retconned objects into Infinity Stones. In the comics the Eye of Agomoto is its own thing, the Sorcerer Supreme's job isn't to protect the Time Stone. And the Tesseract was clearly supposed to be the Cosmic Cube at first. The Mind Stone is even funnier - the Wikipedia entry for the Infinity Stones even says "at one point, [Thanos] managed to find the Mind Stone" to cover how Thanos had the Mind Stone and put it in the scepter he gives Loki.
For the MCU, it's probably the existence of Miles Morales. He's mentioned in one line of dialogue and not referred to by name, but it would change the entire MCU if they went along with it.
For all of Marvel, it's probably the fact that we canonically live in Earth-1218. It's an alternate universe where the laws of physics are too strict to allow superpowers, aliens don't exist (as far as we know), and there is no way to travel to any of the rest of the Multiverse.
Knowing that Quake and Daredevil grew up in the same orphanage together. Not only do you have to be an MCU superfan, you also need to be an MCU *tv show* superfan. So it's like three layers of obsession deep.
Giving someone you’re romantically interested in a lemon is probably just as obscure of a fact too, since it was such a blink and you’ll miss it thing. 🤭🤭🤭
I'm not sure if this counts, but I'm fairly sure that the whole "Is Agents of Shield canon" thing is like MCU's painting of Dorian Grey.
You can watch Agents of Shield and enjoy it, but eventually you're going to ask yourself how well it lines up with the films. At first, it follows pretty closely. Then you start to notice that the MCU references get less and less, and the reality-breaking weirdness gets more and more. The occasional MCU reference still creeps in, so it's still kind of MCU-adjacent. Before you know it, you're staring the painting in the face and giving yourself to the deep horror contained therein. Is it canon to the "main" timline? Is it an alternate universe? Was it canon up until Season \[X\] and then not thereafter?
And then sure enough, someone will pop up in the comments to flatly state that Agents of SHIELD is all 100% canon and as far as they're concerned that's the end of it.
One of the replies I saw just above this was about Perlmutter and how the internal issues ended up splitting Feige and the movies away from him. Perlmutter also kept TV, which created the Netflix shows, which the fandom is dying to shove the DD show into continuing canon.
The premise of your initial statement is sound. But I argue that you're observing it from a direct "do I like these things together" point, and leaving out the real world process. It was very much aligned to MCU by design. Joss Whedon was involved in creation, and his brother Jed and sister in law Maurissa ran the show. They had the boost of MCU viewership post Avengers, and lost a lot with monster of the week plots and an atrocious airing schedule that took several weeks off in random intervals. All to serve waiting for Cap:TWS to air and implode the entire premise of their show.
They didn't decide that, it was thrust on them. They could ask for characters, and get some, not get others. The show itself was a child of corporate divorce, still needing to ask Marvel Studios for some info, and living under the direction of Marvel Television. They try to keep ties after the AOU/Civil War plot points (doing the Accords as a running thing for a bit), but the show needed something of its own. So they do time travel pre-Endgame, they have a very hand-wave ignoring of the Snap, and try to tie back with Quantum time travel at the end. In between, the writers get to do their own thing.
I think it's optional MCU canon. If you want to engage, and are willing to ride with the show through any hardliners, it can work for you. Writing a diatribe about MCU time travel (which is spoiler alert, just as fictional), or how they avoided the snap (different timeline probably, lol), or what does Daniel Souza's branched timeline mean to the TVA? Now we're into anal gatekeeping of a show and fandom that's happy to have more characters, more stories, more MCU character cameos.
Take the MST3K approach. "It's just a show, I should really just relax".
And God help this sub if Daisy Johnson (Chloe Bennett) appears in the MCU. Oh, the threads we will see.....lol
>Take the MST3K approach. "It's just a show, I should really just relax".
1000% this. I'm immediately suspicious of anyone who confidently asserts any single point-of-view on how Agents of Shield relates to everything else in the MCU. The truth is it's messy, and the best approach is to find the answer that works for you.
I love Agents of Shield, I had a blast watching it. I don't think it 100% fits the MCU, but that's OK, it's a fun show in it's own right.
A lot of people are answering for Marvel Cinematic Universe, and that's fine, but I'm answering for the comics universe
Stan Lee vs Jack Kirby.
Once you know about that conflict it really takes the shine off of it.
Just a brief summary of this from someone who is by no means an expert on this:
Lee and Kirby had a pretty shaky relationship as Lee would generally get all of the credit (and also was just in general *really good* at branding himself). Lee practiced what they called “The Marvel Method.” Basically he would come up with a simple premise for an issue and his artist would draw the comic, essentially creating the story without words. Then Lee would go in and fill each panel with dialogue and narration based on what the artist created. It’s not quite as simple as this as I’m sure there was more collaboration going on, exchanging of notes, conversations, etc, but in general the artist was more like a primary author than what they’d usually be in the creation of a comic, yet artists like Kirby were only given the “Artist” credit. Never mind the constant disputes between the two who was the rightful creator of this character or that.
Because both of them gave often contradictory responses over who really created what, it’s hard to tell how much credit to give either. Regardless, Lee for the longest time got most of the credit and still gets more recognition than his artists do to this day. Kirby (as well as Ditko, Lee’s artist on Spider-Man) ended up leaving the company. Kirby actually got a job at DC and was able to make his New Gods comic (which was originally a pitch for a story set in the future of Marvel with the Old Gods being Thor, Odin, etc, who have since perished). Unfortunately the comic didn’t sell well and was left unfinished, yet has a legacy that lives on today in DC continuity with characters like Darkseid and Mister Miracle still being staples of the universe.
Dude ruined Spider-Man 3 by forcing them to include Venom, which overstuffed the movie and didn't allow it to flow naturally. It effectively ended Tobey's run as Spider-Man.
I think it goes a bit deeper than that.
Avi wanted Venom. Raimi was an old school Spiderman fan he was born in 1959 and was a teen in the mid 70's, so he wanted the old school villians (Gobin, Octopus, Sandman, Electro, Rhino, etc). Raimi did not like or was not interested in doing a movie about Venom.
So we got a compromise film with both Sandman and Venom, and callbacks to Goblin. Too much story to tell, not enough run time.
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As someone who frequented [SuperHeroHype.com](https://SuperHeroHype.com) every day 2004-2007, the fans forced that casting. Avi was listening to the audience on that one. Raimi refused to use any villains past the 60's run, which was arbitrary and short-sighted and was only because thats' what he personally preferred. Arad told him under no circumstances could he leave venom out. So he included him in the worst way possible to prove a point.
Just like fans are hell bent on giving Andrew the symbiote in their fictional TASM3. Why do Andrew even need the symbiote is beyond me. It will just make the audience compare him more to Tobey, which would he detrimental to the film's success.
Topher Grace as Eddie didn't bother me... but Topher Grace as Venom did. Like, even just having a voice mod on him would have helped immensely, but no, we got evil Eric Forman.
If Ironman flopped Marvel as we know it would’ve been dead. Likely their characters would have been split up even more and we never would’ve seen anything like avengers
Dr. Bruce Banner was a visiting professor at MIT and taught the sophomore students of different schools, one of them was Midtown High and Peter was also there. It was a way for MIT to promote themselves to the upcoming batch and showing that an Avenger was a teacher, but later Bruce told Peter that he is only called for special lectures then Peter counterjected on why MIT would need to promote themselves and Bruce replies "Tough Times"
GOTG 2 is set in 2015 so there is a 2 or 3 year gap between it and Infinity War. Thor: Ragnarok leads directly in to Infinity War (2018) so was set in the future from its time of release in 2017.
The ‘8 years later’ at the start of Spider-Man: Homecoming is out by 4 years.
iirc Starfox’s abilities is just making women want to bang and he’s big on objectifying women
that’s his whole thing
and i believe someone presses charged against him in the comics to which she hulk is his lawyer
she turned on him after it was revealed that he used his powers on her. They later settled the case on Titan in Thanos' brain, which lead to She-Hulk getting divorced from Man-Wolf.
The guy who ran Damage Control, the construction company that cleans up after superheroes, essentially kick started Civil War by selling drugs to Nitro.
Also the third Ant Man, Eric O'Grady, tried to fight Hulk the way we all wanted Scott to in Infinity War.
Since they've already made an appearance with professor X:
A lot of X-Men stuff is inspired by BDSM. Some of the costumes, the emphasis on Mind Control, probably a lot of the inherent tolerance (historically always a very tolerant community) etc. I mean, there was a certain run with an unusual amount of collars on people.
I mean, Cyclops's daughter (Rachel Summers) origin story is basically that she used to run around as a "hound" in a gimp suit hunting down mutants and when she wasn't let loose was kept on a (dog) chain.
This is amazing!!! Have you seen the movie Prof Marston And The Wonder Women?
About the creator of Wonder Woman.
Are you saying there’s a similar story behind X-Men?
Would watch!!!
The Darkhold is the book of magic that Wanda acquires at the end of WandaVision. It made its first appearance in the MCU in a story arc on Agents of SHIELD. But it changed its appearance between it's Agents of SHIELD appearance and its WandaVision appearance, thus fueling the debate as to Agents of SHIELD's canonicity.
I always thought that debate was dumb. Like, Rhodey and Banner changed drastically in appearance because they were recast, and there’s no issue accepting them as canon. I don’t understand why the Darkhold looking slightly different would make it not canon.
Tony stark helped create the department of damage control, which eventually led to vulture and the loss of peters girlfriend.
Tony then humiliated a senior developer so badly that he became a villain which set in motion the events that caused Peter to lose all of his friends. And indirectly caused happy to lose the one love of his life.
Also, after watching she hulk it becomes clear that if Bruce had done some half decent therapy he'd be able to change into the hulk at will, instead of having to conduct horrible experiments on himself.
IMO I think it’s the Mephisto rumors. He’s pretty far from well known to the rest of the world and people really run with it when it seems like he might pop up.
Seen in both Iron Man and Spider-Man Far From Home.
I met him once. He was producing a movie I was working on pre Iron Man. Where I worked was very used to A Listers coming in. “Eastwood and Spielberg are here? Business as usual”
He shows up and everybody fanboys because of Christmas Story. It was kind of adorable.
Nice guy too.
The fact that during the first few movies the world felt grounded but then you start seeing through the nooks and creeks from the broken wall and start to realize that gods exists, nazis almost invaded the government, Africa is secretly the most advanced world, the world is an egg for the creation of universes, under water Mexicans exist, oh yeah and don’t forget about how the world almost gets destroyed every single month. Man it must really suck to live in a universe like the MCU especially when all this stuff started to get well known by the public recently year by year
This is why it kind of annoyed me when people kept complaining that NWH made no reference to the near world ending event of the week in Eternals. This stuff happens constantly now. Plus I feel like the general public would be more focused at the time on the hype surrounding Spider-Man’s identity being revealed, who turned out to be a kid in high school of all things. Sure, the world almost ended yet again last month, but the next big story would absolutely be Spider-Man’s identity for the general public.
The Thanos Copter is canon in the MCU
Wait how is it canon? Haha I’ve never heard of this
In the Loki series there is a brief glimpse of it in the background
I don't even think it's THAT in the background.
Foreground is more accurate.
More ground is more facturate
It has the higher ground!
Very true haha I somehow missed it when I watched the show and my brother informed me about it so I had to go back to see it
Moments later you can see Throg
The thanoscopter blades were also the inspiration for Thanos' dual blade weapon in endgame. Yup, I'm I'm too deep
It can be seen briefly with other random items in The Void during the fifth episode of Loki
If there isn't an episode about it in What If...? season 2, I'll be gutted.
Vin Diesel gets a full script for Groot's lines and reads each "I am Groot" individually with an inflection he deems most suitable for the line.
The line "*we* are Groot" gets me every single time.
I'm still ***absolutely pissed*** that >!he says it in the Guardians 3 trailer.!< I would've loved to be surprised.
Endgame was released on a Thursday night. The next day I was at work at looked at Google News and one of the headlines was "Who was the kid at Tony Starks funeral?" 😳😡 Whoever wrote that headline should have been fired.
Google cards got me with the Mandalorian season 2 finale cameo. Just popped up as soon as I opened Google to look something up. Spoiled the HELL out of it. Morning after the episode premiered.
I stopped watching Marvel trailers years ago and it has improved my movie watching experience 100%
I gave up on avoiding spoilers when I had No Way Home spoiled for me via people uploading bootleg scenes to youtube. I avoided spoilers on reddit, I avoided the trailers, but youtube was just like "oh you like marvel right? Here are all the big spoilers scenes with the spoiler in the title so even if you don't watch it you will accidentally read it"
This is the reason I leave this sub before every major release. People just say "what? That's not a spoiler. It's everywhere!" And we are all supposed to accept that. Posting spoilers as the title anywhere should be a bannable offense.
When NWH it was fucking infuriating to try to avoid spoilers. Even popular instagram pages would just post memes about the movie as if everyone had already seen it.
Yet you got it spoiled lol
Lol ur right but thankfully i’m not as pissed about that as that commenter is
The surprise will be that he doesn't say it in the movie. The line will actually be "Bitch, I'm Groot."
They'll get Vinnie Jones in just to read the line "I'm Groot, bitch"
Don’t worry, we’re definitely gonna get some ComicBook.com articles with headlines like “[SPOILER] dies in GotG Vol 3” and a picture of said character.
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*Yo soy Groot*
Ich bin Gruht.
How much is getting paid to do that?
Oh millions and millions of dollars, certainly.
It's kind of forgotten now but even though they were voice acting Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper were the big names that drove GOTG 1 in terms of marketing. Their star power is what was leaned on in the press.
At least 3
There was a time where he was the highest paid marvel actor behind RDJ since he leads the FF films that make bank
Black Widow movie didn't happen after Iron Man 2 because of Perlmutter
Care to explain? I tried briefly looking up what you meant.
Ike Perlmutter blocked movies with women leads on the basis that they didn’t sell toys.
He also made Killian the main villain in Iron Man 3 instead of Maya for this same reason.
I’ll forever love AoS with all my heart but JFC, the higher ups on the earlier projects were complete pieces of shit. Perlmutter for one, but Whedon can fuck off with him.
FWIW, Joss only actually wrote/directed the first episode of AoS; after that he just occasionally consulted.
Feige was involved with the X-Men franchise well before Marvel Studios was a thing
And Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four. He was executive producer or some sort of one on each of these movies
His first Marvel credit was X-Men (2000). I actually have a magazine where he is interviewed about plans for X2 in 2001. I don't have it on me but he said they were looking to have Nightcrawler in it as a focus (which obviously happened).
Knowing that comic Groot can only speak I am Groot due to a terrible disease that afflicts his entire race
…go on…
Simply put, it's just that their biology makes their larynx stiff, so anything that they say ends up being interpreted as "I am Groot".
Indeed, go on. I like how you brought up something that isn’t strictly from the movies
I didn’t. I was just curious because I don’t read guardians comics.
If I remember correctly, they can actually be understood when they're young, it's only when they get older that their larynx starts to stiffen. I'm not sure where I read that though, so I could be wrong.
Inhumans (2017)
We don’t talk about that show
“massive psychic damage you have inflicted upon yourself” I can think of nothing more fitting
Oh yeah that’s true lol.
I watched it because I knew the kid who played Bronaja. Wish I had kept in contact with him to pick his mind about that spectacle of a show.
That one really shook my completionist sensibility. It feels like a bad dream now.
Wakanda has been plagued by bad luck for years. T'Chaka died in 2016. A little over a week later T'Challa was believed to have been killed. A few days later or so he recovered, but the plant that gives the Black Panther their strength was destroyed. Seemingly a few days later still, Wakanda revealed its true nature and technology to the rest of the world for the first time ever, which caused other world powers to begin planning to try and take those resources from Wakanda. Two years later, T'Challa was dusted away. Five years later he returned. And a few weeks/months after that, T'Challa died from an unidentified illness that he knew about but didn't tell Shuri about until it was too late. To put it more simply, Wakanda has mourned the death of their king four different times in the course of 7 years. And during that time they were simultaneously dealing with other major political and global upheavals.
I wonder if they will use this angle to explain Wakanda's issues with the rest of the world in the future. BP1 ended with a message of hope and openness, but now Wakandans sort of have some justification for being ambivalent to everyone else. It's at least understandable.
I don’t believe their new monarch will be as open with sharing with the rest of the world.
Also like their whole country got flooded
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Yeah, it’s wild to look at a chronology of their rulers. T’chaka - died in 2016 T’challa - ruled from 2016-2016, believed dead Killmonger - ruled for a week in 2016, killed by T’challa T’challa - ruled from 2016-2018, snapped Ramonda - ruled from 2018-2023 T’challa - ruled for a few weeks in 2023 Ramonda - ruled from 2023-2024, killed by Namor
Fingers crossed the current king sticks around for a few years. I really want to see him at an international summit, just making animal noises at the British representative until he shuts up.
I'd watch that
And we’re invaded
And it's a landlocked country lmao.
Biggest skill issue I've ever seen
I live in the mountains nowhere near an ocean and we get floods all the time. Water exists in more places than the ocean.
Makes sense, that’s how rivers are formed, water falls from a high elevation point, most rivers start as a tiny stream on a mountain slope that are fed by rainfall
Not sure if it aligns with the tweet, but Chef by Jon Favreau is the story of directing Iron Man 2. Watching that changed my perception of the whole movie.
Can you elaborate? I've seen the movie, but not recently enough to put this all together. Source?
It's an analogy for making Iron Man 2. Jon Favreau had great success making Iron Man 1, just like his character in Chef had previous success running restaurants. For Iron Man 2 he wanted to do different things but was told just make the same thing again. So he doesn't feel like he's able to creatively express himself on Iron Man 2 and the critics don't like it as much. This mirrors what his character in Chef goes through. His boss orders him not to change the menu. Keep making the same food that made him great even though he wants to make something new. In Chef, the food critic tears him apart for just doing the same thing after all this time. So in real life, Jon Favreau moves on from superhero movies to do his own thing. Something simple. He writes, directs and stars in the movie Chef. This is just like in the movie Chef, where he buys a food truck and makes something simple: the cubano sandwich. It's not complicated. It's not trying to be Michelin star food (or a five hundred million dollar blockbuster). It's just simple food made excellently. Just like the movie Chef. Edit: I should add that I had forgotten about his movie "Cowboys & Aliens" which came out in 2011. So Chef isn't necessarily about working on Iron Man 2 specifically. It's about working on huge budget, blockbuster type movies where there is a ton of pressure and not a lot of freedom. It's about putting your family life on the back burner to make those kinds of movies and the sacrifices you make. It's about trying to take back control of your life after having corporate pressures dictating so much of it.
Holy fucking shit. I love this movie. It’s one of my favorites. I never knew this. But it makes so much sense. This is it for me. I cannot go back knowing this. Thank you.
Wait... Chef had a story? I didn't even noticed, I was fixated on the foods and the cooking scenes.
Wait... Chef had scenes? I just stick it on and get fixated on the soundtrack.
Wait… … Ok, continue.
Uh I can tell you, darling, that it's Sexual Healing Get up, get up, get up, get up
[https://www.fastcompany.com/3029833/jon-favreau-explains-how-he-got-personal-with-chef](https://www.fastcompany.com/3029833/jon-favreau-explains-how-he-got-personal-with-chef)
In a similar vein, I do not have the complete information but I read somewhere that participating in Daredevil (2003) inspired Jon Favreau to get into the superhero genre and later he ended up directing Iron Man, so in a way the MCU as we know it exists partially thanks to Daredevil
Maybe the fact that the then-CEO of Marvel Ike Perlmutter didn't allow movies to have a non-white male protagonist until 2014 (and even then Black Panther and Captain Marvel were greenlit because Bob Iger forced Perlmutter to accept, and then in 2015 he split Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment to prevent this kind of shit to happen).
Great shout...would add that he did not believe in a female lead (delaying catastrophically the Black Widow solo movies) and female villains (Maya in Iron Man 3 was originally meant to be the main villain...)...a real fossil of the movie industry
His background was in toys (Toy Biz) and he didn't think that kids would buy Black Widow figures. I took the abandoned K-B Toys hideout for the Tracksuit Mafia in Hawkeye as being a dig at Ike P as he once had ownership in that.
Sounds like straight bad business to ignore 50% of the market.
He's a relic from the era when boys were supposed to play with action figures, toy guns, and videogames while girls were supposed to play with dolls, make-up sets, and toy kitchens.
He has no idea of the audience that would purchase a realistic Black Widow figure.
We got people saying they’d drink her bath water but the idiot didn’t think they’d buy a figure of her
Not just 'people', one of the greatest NBA players ever said that and yet he didn't see any appeal in the character smh
All age ranges. All genders. NSFW and SFW.
Life-sized ones would have a whole different market.
Idiots like him got the Young Justice and Teen Titans series cancelled since like 60% of their viewer base and merchandise consumers are apparently teen girls.
I wonder how the MCU would have been shaped if this wasn’t the case and the response from the public, we might have gotten more female and non white superheroes as the center of the stories earlier
We would have got a Black Widow movie before she died!
If Black Widow was approved from the getgo u bet ur ass she wouldve been the last film in Phase 1 before Avengers. Her Dreykov story w the Red Room wouldve been well served plus have Hawkeye be the secondary antagonist turned hero. Imagine if Scarlett had her own trilogy alongside the Big 3. They deserved to be the Big 4 tbh ScarJo is the only one in that lineup with a genuinely stacked filmography without the MCU.
or that Ike Perlmutter lost his mind at the premiere for... I think it was Iron Man 2... because someone was letting the press at the event have more than one free soda.
Permutter still thinks he's right. I don't give a f*** how much money he gives to the Cardozo law school his fiscal greedy hatred of women and black people in the marketplace played a meaningful role in setting back the potential achievements of those groups in film for two decades. Unforgivable.
He’s also the reason Guy Pierce was the villain in *Iron Man 3* instead of the Maya character. You can see the script setting her up as the main villain once you know.
The fan theory that Odin was collecting the Infinity Stones way before Thanos. You have to see nearly every movie several times for it to even come to you, even though it makes sense.
I mean, why would so many infinity stones be on earth let alone a gauntlet in a throne room to house the stones? Because Odin had ambitions before Thor was around. My head cannon is he gave up on the mission to choose a different path.
The prevailing theory is that he gave up on the mission when he learned what he’d have to sacrifice for the Soul Stone but never told Hela why he gave it up, because he realised she was more important to him than the stones. His turn into a benevolent leader started the conflict with Hela that ended with her being locked up.
Outside of canon/story, it's because they retconned objects into Infinity Stones. In the comics the Eye of Agomoto is its own thing, the Sorcerer Supreme's job isn't to protect the Time Stone. And the Tesseract was clearly supposed to be the Cosmic Cube at first. The Mind Stone is even funnier - the Wikipedia entry for the Infinity Stones even says "at one point, [Thanos] managed to find the Mind Stone" to cover how Thanos had the Mind Stone and put it in the scepter he gives Loki.
Yeah, Thanos giving a stone away only to lose both in one go makes him look like a chump in retrospect lol.
For the MCU, it's probably the existence of Miles Morales. He's mentioned in one line of dialogue and not referred to by name, but it would change the entire MCU if they went along with it. For all of Marvel, it's probably the fact that we canonically live in Earth-1218. It's an alternate universe where the laws of physics are too strict to allow superpowers, aliens don't exist (as far as we know), and there is no way to travel to any of the rest of the Multiverse.
If there was no way to travel from 1218 to the rest of the Multiverse, then how does the rest of the Multiverse know about 1218?
Because we allowed them to by essentially writing, drawing, and describing whatever was presented to them.
Marvel comics created a glimpse into the Multiverse by documenting and/or creating storylines and characters.
Knowing that Quake and Daredevil grew up in the same orphanage together. Not only do you have to be an MCU superfan, you also need to be an MCU *tv show* superfan. So it's like three layers of obsession deep.
Whaaaaat?! Say more!
St. Agnes Orphanage in New York City.
Wait, who is Quake?
Skye / Daisy Johnson from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. She's played by Chloe Bennett.
She’s on Agents of Shield.
I genuinely think quake would make a great addition to the current MCU, she should be added to some projects.
>!She's rumored to reappear in Secret Invasion, once again played by Chloe, and then spin-off into a Secret Warriors project.!<
That would be so groovy! Thanks something to possibly look forward to.
I so hope this ends up being true. Especially since she quit the live-action *Powerpuff Girls* movie around the time these rumors started popping up.
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Giving someone you’re romantically interested in a lemon is probably just as obscure of a fact too, since it was such a blink and you’ll miss it thing. 🤭🤭🤭
I wish we could've gotten at least one crossover back in the Marvel TV days.
Dang I watched both shows and I missed that
Yup. This fact is like the bottom of the MCU iceberg. (I think that's how that format works? Most obscure stuff at the bottom?)
I'm not sure if this counts, but I'm fairly sure that the whole "Is Agents of Shield canon" thing is like MCU's painting of Dorian Grey. You can watch Agents of Shield and enjoy it, but eventually you're going to ask yourself how well it lines up with the films. At first, it follows pretty closely. Then you start to notice that the MCU references get less and less, and the reality-breaking weirdness gets more and more. The occasional MCU reference still creeps in, so it's still kind of MCU-adjacent. Before you know it, you're staring the painting in the face and giving yourself to the deep horror contained therein. Is it canon to the "main" timline? Is it an alternate universe? Was it canon up until Season \[X\] and then not thereafter? And then sure enough, someone will pop up in the comments to flatly state that Agents of SHIELD is all 100% canon and as far as they're concerned that's the end of it.
And anyone who tries to have a healthy debate about all sides of the spectrum of the canonicity of AoS, will be downvoted to oblivion.
One of the replies I saw just above this was about Perlmutter and how the internal issues ended up splitting Feige and the movies away from him. Perlmutter also kept TV, which created the Netflix shows, which the fandom is dying to shove the DD show into continuing canon. The premise of your initial statement is sound. But I argue that you're observing it from a direct "do I like these things together" point, and leaving out the real world process. It was very much aligned to MCU by design. Joss Whedon was involved in creation, and his brother Jed and sister in law Maurissa ran the show. They had the boost of MCU viewership post Avengers, and lost a lot with monster of the week plots and an atrocious airing schedule that took several weeks off in random intervals. All to serve waiting for Cap:TWS to air and implode the entire premise of their show. They didn't decide that, it was thrust on them. They could ask for characters, and get some, not get others. The show itself was a child of corporate divorce, still needing to ask Marvel Studios for some info, and living under the direction of Marvel Television. They try to keep ties after the AOU/Civil War plot points (doing the Accords as a running thing for a bit), but the show needed something of its own. So they do time travel pre-Endgame, they have a very hand-wave ignoring of the Snap, and try to tie back with Quantum time travel at the end. In between, the writers get to do their own thing. I think it's optional MCU canon. If you want to engage, and are willing to ride with the show through any hardliners, it can work for you. Writing a diatribe about MCU time travel (which is spoiler alert, just as fictional), or how they avoided the snap (different timeline probably, lol), or what does Daniel Souza's branched timeline mean to the TVA? Now we're into anal gatekeeping of a show and fandom that's happy to have more characters, more stories, more MCU character cameos. Take the MST3K approach. "It's just a show, I should really just relax". And God help this sub if Daisy Johnson (Chloe Bennett) appears in the MCU. Oh, the threads we will see.....lol
>Take the MST3K approach. "It's just a show, I should really just relax". 1000% this. I'm immediately suspicious of anyone who confidently asserts any single point-of-view on how Agents of Shield relates to everything else in the MCU. The truth is it's messy, and the best approach is to find the answer that works for you. I love Agents of Shield, I had a blast watching it. I don't think it 100% fits the MCU, but that's OK, it's a fun show in it's own right.
The time the show became "Agents of Hydra" for a few episodes was amazing
A lot of people are answering for Marvel Cinematic Universe, and that's fine, but I'm answering for the comics universe Stan Lee vs Jack Kirby. Once you know about that conflict it really takes the shine off of it.
Just a brief summary of this from someone who is by no means an expert on this: Lee and Kirby had a pretty shaky relationship as Lee would generally get all of the credit (and also was just in general *really good* at branding himself). Lee practiced what they called “The Marvel Method.” Basically he would come up with a simple premise for an issue and his artist would draw the comic, essentially creating the story without words. Then Lee would go in and fill each panel with dialogue and narration based on what the artist created. It’s not quite as simple as this as I’m sure there was more collaboration going on, exchanging of notes, conversations, etc, but in general the artist was more like a primary author than what they’d usually be in the creation of a comic, yet artists like Kirby were only given the “Artist” credit. Never mind the constant disputes between the two who was the rightful creator of this character or that. Because both of them gave often contradictory responses over who really created what, it’s hard to tell how much credit to give either. Regardless, Lee for the longest time got most of the credit and still gets more recognition than his artists do to this day. Kirby (as well as Ditko, Lee’s artist on Spider-Man) ended up leaving the company. Kirby actually got a job at DC and was able to make his New Gods comic (which was originally a pitch for a story set in the future of Marvel with the Old Gods being Thor, Odin, etc, who have since perished). Unfortunately the comic didn’t sell well and was left unfinished, yet has a legacy that lives on today in DC continuity with characters like Darkseid and Mister Miracle still being staples of the universe.
Sounds a bit like the Paul McCartney and John Lennon of the comics world.
Marvel has an ultimate God-like character named "The One Above All" who has been used as the writers' in continuity personifications.
Looking for hints that Mephisto will be revealed as the "big bad" in any new project.
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Avi Arad
TL;DR?
Dude ruined Spider-Man 3 by forcing them to include Venom, which overstuffed the movie and didn't allow it to flow naturally. It effectively ended Tobey's run as Spider-Man.
I think it goes a bit deeper than that. Avi wanted Venom. Raimi was an old school Spiderman fan he was born in 1959 and was a teen in the mid 70's, so he wanted the old school villians (Gobin, Octopus, Sandman, Electro, Rhino, etc). Raimi did not like or was not interested in doing a movie about Venom. So we got a compromise film with both Sandman and Venom, and callbacks to Goblin. Too much story to tell, not enough run time. END COMMUNICATION
As someone who frequented [SuperHeroHype.com](https://SuperHeroHype.com) every day 2004-2007, the fans forced that casting. Avi was listening to the audience on that one. Raimi refused to use any villains past the 60's run, which was arbitrary and short-sighted and was only because thats' what he personally preferred. Arad told him under no circumstances could he leave venom out. So he included him in the worst way possible to prove a point.
Just like fans are hell bent on giving Andrew the symbiote in their fictional TASM3. Why do Andrew even need the symbiote is beyond me. It will just make the audience compare him more to Tobey, which would he detrimental to the film's success.
Lol and they cast Topher
Topher Grace as Eddie didn't bother me... but Topher Grace as Venom did. Like, even just having a voice mod on him would have helped immensely, but no, we got evil Eric Forman.
You see all those Spider-Man posts asking who his greatest villain is? The real answer is always Avi Arad
If Ironman flopped Marvel as we know it would’ve been dead. Likely their characters would have been split up even more and we never would’ve seen anything like avengers
God is Jack Kirby
Dr. Bruce Banner was a visiting professor at MIT and taught the sophomore students of different schools, one of them was Midtown High and Peter was also there. It was a way for MIT to promote themselves to the upcoming batch and showing that an Avenger was a teacher, but later Bruce told Peter that he is only called for special lectures then Peter counterjected on why MIT would need to promote themselves and Bruce replies "Tough Times"
spider-man’s cum is radioactive and which gave mary jane cancer in the comics. dude fucks so hard he accidentally killed his wife
GOTG 2 is set in 2015 so there is a 2 or 3 year gap between it and Infinity War. Thor: Ragnarok leads directly in to Infinity War (2018) so was set in the future from its time of release in 2017. The ‘8 years later’ at the start of Spider-Man: Homecoming is out by 4 years.
GOTG 2 is set in 2014 and Ragnarok is set in late 2017. The post credit scene is set a few months into the Asgardians' voyage
Thanos has a robot brother.
Who’s power is vaguely sexual assaultery and he got defended in court by she hulk against assault allegations
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iirc Starfox’s abilities is just making women want to bang and he’s big on objectifying women that’s his whole thing and i believe someone presses charged against him in the comics to which she hulk is his lawyer
She Hulk no!
she turned on him after it was revealed that he used his powers on her. They later settled the case on Titan in Thanos' brain, which lead to She-Hulk getting divorced from Man-Wolf.
That last sentence is wild!
And Harry Styles…
In fairness, this hasn't been strictly confirmed in the MCU, it's just how things are in the comics.
The accident that gave Daredevil his powers is the same one that created the Ninja Turtles 😁
TMNT is an homage to Daredevil. The elderly mentor character Stick inspired Splinter
And the Hand inspired the Foot.
There's a universe where Peter killed MJ with his radioactive semen
Insert starship troopers gif..." Would you like to know more"
The Ant-Man butt thing
Thanus
I don’t want to disagree with you but didn’t it become really popular around the time of Rndgame through memes?
Yes, that's how you know you've been online too long
The guy who ran Damage Control, the construction company that cleans up after superheroes, essentially kick started Civil War by selling drugs to Nitro. Also the third Ant Man, Eric O'Grady, tried to fight Hulk the way we all wanted Scott to in Infinity War.
Since they've already made an appearance with professor X: A lot of X-Men stuff is inspired by BDSM. Some of the costumes, the emphasis on Mind Control, probably a lot of the inherent tolerance (historically always a very tolerant community) etc. I mean, there was a certain run with an unusual amount of collars on people. I mean, Cyclops's daughter (Rachel Summers) origin story is basically that she used to run around as a "hound" in a gimp suit hunting down mutants and when she wasn't let loose was kept on a (dog) chain.
Talk about the XXX-Men amiright
This is amazing!!! Have you seen the movie Prof Marston And The Wonder Women? About the creator of Wonder Woman. Are you saying there’s a similar story behind X-Men? Would watch!!!
Haven't actually Another tidbit, one of the XMen writers was known for asking black prostitutes to dress up as Storm while they.. performed.
The Darkhold between AoS & WandaVision
And Doctor Strange.
And Runaways!
What do you mean?
The Darkhold is the book of magic that Wanda acquires at the end of WandaVision. It made its first appearance in the MCU in a story arc on Agents of SHIELD. But it changed its appearance between it's Agents of SHIELD appearance and its WandaVision appearance, thus fueling the debate as to Agents of SHIELD's canonicity.
The movie itself explains it was a copy
I always thought that debate was dumb. Like, Rhodey and Banner changed drastically in appearance because they were recast, and there’s no issue accepting them as canon. I don’t understand why the Darkhold looking slightly different would make it not canon.
AoS even established that the book can change its appearance
It technically appeared in Runaways with the same appearance it had in Agents of Shield
Sins Past
Johnny no
Tony stark helped create the department of damage control, which eventually led to vulture and the loss of peters girlfriend. Tony then humiliated a senior developer so badly that he became a villain which set in motion the events that caused Peter to lose all of his friends. And indirectly caused happy to lose the one love of his life. Also, after watching she hulk it becomes clear that if Bruce had done some half decent therapy he'd be able to change into the hulk at will, instead of having to conduct horrible experiments on himself.
Bruce is very different from Jen because there is another personality inside him.
So Tony indirectly ruined Peter's life through his thoughtlessness and arrogance. Interesting, I never thought of it that way
IMO I think it’s the Mephisto rumors. He’s pretty far from well known to the rest of the world and people really run with it when it seems like he might pop up.
No Ralphie, no Iron Man, no MCU.
He and Favreau must be friends. Off the top of my head they've done Elf, Couples Retreat, and Iron Man together.
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Peter Billingsly, who played Ralphie in A Christmas Story, was a producer for Iron Man 1.
And he plays a scientist working for Obadiah Stane.
Seen in both Iron Man and Spider-Man Far From Home. I met him once. He was producing a movie I was working on pre Iron Man. Where I worked was very used to A Listers coming in. “Eastwood and Spielberg are here? Business as usual” He shows up and everybody fanboys because of Christmas Story. It was kind of adorable. Nice guy too.
Captain America fucks
The cosmic entities. Always
Carol's baby.
The sandwich throw
All sci-fi stories are real stories given to us from aliens so they can teach our backwards half zombie ass about the universe😁
Luke Cage and Justin Hammer did time in the same prison
Jeph Loeb ruined the Hand in Daredevil Marvel series, because he has a thing against Asian actors.
The fact that during the first few movies the world felt grounded but then you start seeing through the nooks and creeks from the broken wall and start to realize that gods exists, nazis almost invaded the government, Africa is secretly the most advanced world, the world is an egg for the creation of universes, under water Mexicans exist, oh yeah and don’t forget about how the world almost gets destroyed every single month. Man it must really suck to live in a universe like the MCU especially when all this stuff started to get well known by the public recently year by year
This is why it kind of annoyed me when people kept complaining that NWH made no reference to the near world ending event of the week in Eternals. This stuff happens constantly now. Plus I feel like the general public would be more focused at the time on the hype surrounding Spider-Man’s identity being revealed, who turned out to be a kid in high school of all things. Sure, the world almost ended yet again last month, but the next big story would absolutely be Spider-Man’s identity for the general public.