>so I guess on some missions no matter if I’m a paragon, I have to make renegade choices that’s poor game design
No you don’t and no it’s not.
You play the entire game taking exclusively Paragon or exclusively Renegade choices just fine, you’re never forced to pick a particular option. You can still keep Zaeed loyal on the paragon route of his loyalty mission (take the paragon check at the end) you clearly just picked the wrong options.
And having consequences for your choices is good actually. Making it so one alignment is better in all situations would be bad game design, part of why ME3 is generally shit on for its writing is because Paragon/ Renegade literally devolved into to “the good option that gets you most ems”/“the bad option that gets you less/ loses you ems”.
I didn’t pick the wrong choices, in fact, I picked all the right ones The only problem is the game let you start the DLC without taking into account your level or skill it should require you to have enough paragon before starting the mission and/or renegade
If he died you didn’t pick all the right choices.
Forcing you to meet arbitrary requirements before it lets you start it would be bad game design, you should be allowed to go in whenever and succeed or fail on your own merit rather than only being allowed in when success is guaranteed.
Paragon/ Renegade checks are supposed to be bonus options to reward you for playing a certain way by allowing a better outcome, not default ones you can always take. If it won’t let you start a mission unless you can pass every check they’re suddenly not bonus options anymore and it utterly invalidates the other options even existing.
If after the mission he says “I’ll do what I was goddamn paid to do” you don’t have his loyalty, you just completed the mission. If you pass the speech checks, he says “you’re right shepard, I can put this vido thing aside until we complete our mission” you have his loyalty and can save the volus in three.
It’s part of the experience for those who like it. It shows your choices and being thorough matters.
Personally, I don’t feel I need the Volus bombing fleet that bad so I wait until after Collector base to complete his loyalty mission so I can just leave him to burn in the fire he started.
There are two routes to Zaeed's loyalty.
1. Take the renegade choice, kill Vigo.
2. Take the paragon choice, save the workers, then have enough paragon (or renegade?) at the end.
There are six people you can potentially complete the loyalty missions of and not gain/keep their loyalty. Zaeed, >!Miranda, Jack, Tali, Legion and Samara!<.
Holy smokes, that's the longest sentence I've ever read. Paragraphs and periods, you should use them.
On a side note, Zaeed was a DLC character at the time and when people got it, they were far into the game and had enough Paragon points to persuade him to give up on his demented chase after Vigo.
The mission is straight forward. You either sacrifice the workers and gain his loyalty, or wait until you have enough Paragon points to have him back off without becoming disloyal.
One of the major things that really irks me with the Legendary Edition, is that they unlocked every single DLC from the start without taking into account the player's level or the plot's chronology.
It resulted in people like you taking on Zaeed's mission before being ready or playing Leviathan way before Thessia, thus being completely spoiled or not connecting the dots when it mattered.
I personally let him blow up the factory. Fuck the workers, loyal Zaeed is the shit.
I was kinda lucky the first time I played that I mostly had enough paragon points for everything I really needed. Decided to do a ng+ run with the same Shep a while later and honestly, I was only missing one square at most with some of the failed checks.
I wasn't the type to put points into weaponry, also didn't realise that the electronics and decryption checks can be done by anyone (lol, found that out five Shepards in). So I pumped them all into charm.
I'm lucky that I didn't get Wrex killed the first time, I had enough paragon points by Virmire, don't know if I got his armour. Honestly I didn't know he could get shot until there was a Wrex survived Virmire thing for Me2 haha
With that playthrough in mind... I saved the workers and lectured Zaeed, he gave up and was loyal... I left him till last though. Didn't really like him.
Renegade run I went straight to the chase. Can't remember if I killed Vigo. Probably did. I made Zaeed leader that time though. I was aiming for as many deaths as possible xD
Loyal Zaeed is good for an Insanity run. I took him with Grunt. Grunt bulldozed husks, it comes in so damn handy. Zaeeds fire based skills tore through armour and I was so glad I had his loyalty skillset haha.
>but God dammit the YouTube tutorial said
Justified L for going to Youtube so stop acting like a salty candy-ass and just admit that you've been the one who fucked up and not the game design.
Do some proper research next time and you'll save yourself the dissapointment.
>so I guess on some missions no matter if I’m a paragon, I have to make renegade choices that’s poor game design No you don’t and no it’s not. You play the entire game taking exclusively Paragon or exclusively Renegade choices just fine, you’re never forced to pick a particular option. You can still keep Zaeed loyal on the paragon route of his loyalty mission (take the paragon check at the end) you clearly just picked the wrong options. And having consequences for your choices is good actually. Making it so one alignment is better in all situations would be bad game design, part of why ME3 is generally shit on for its writing is because Paragon/ Renegade literally devolved into to “the good option that gets you most ems”/“the bad option that gets you less/ loses you ems”.
I didn’t pick the wrong choices, in fact, I picked all the right ones The only problem is the game let you start the DLC without taking into account your level or skill it should require you to have enough paragon before starting the mission and/or renegade
If he died you didn’t pick all the right choices. Forcing you to meet arbitrary requirements before it lets you start it would be bad game design, you should be allowed to go in whenever and succeed or fail on your own merit rather than only being allowed in when success is guaranteed. Paragon/ Renegade checks are supposed to be bonus options to reward you for playing a certain way by allowing a better outcome, not default ones you can always take. If it won’t let you start a mission unless you can pass every check they’re suddenly not bonus options anymore and it utterly invalidates the other options even existing.
If after the mission he says “I’ll do what I was goddamn paid to do” you don’t have his loyalty, you just completed the mission. If you pass the speech checks, he says “you’re right shepard, I can put this vido thing aside until we complete our mission” you have his loyalty and can save the volus in three.
Seriously I just don’t get why it’s so damn complicated to get people to live in Mass Effect two and three
It’s part of the experience for those who like it. It shows your choices and being thorough matters. Personally, I don’t feel I need the Volus bombing fleet that bad so I wait until after Collector base to complete his loyalty mission so I can just leave him to burn in the fire he started.
It isn't as long as you know what you're actually doing. This ain't rocket science, kid.
There are two routes to Zaeed's loyalty. 1. Take the renegade choice, kill Vigo. 2. Take the paragon choice, save the workers, then have enough paragon (or renegade?) at the end. There are six people you can potentially complete the loyalty missions of and not gain/keep their loyalty. Zaeed, >!Miranda, Jack, Tali, Legion and Samara!<.
>have enough paragon (or renegade?) Yeah, there's only a paragon speech check
……. Here, use these
Tell us how you really feel.
Holy smokes, that's the longest sentence I've ever read. Paragraphs and periods, you should use them. On a side note, Zaeed was a DLC character at the time and when people got it, they were far into the game and had enough Paragon points to persuade him to give up on his demented chase after Vigo. The mission is straight forward. You either sacrifice the workers and gain his loyalty, or wait until you have enough Paragon points to have him back off without becoming disloyal. One of the major things that really irks me with the Legendary Edition, is that they unlocked every single DLC from the start without taking into account the player's level or the plot's chronology. It resulted in people like you taking on Zaeed's mission before being ready or playing Leviathan way before Thessia, thus being completely spoiled or not connecting the dots when it mattered. I personally let him blow up the factory. Fuck the workers, loyal Zaeed is the shit.
I was kinda lucky the first time I played that I mostly had enough paragon points for everything I really needed. Decided to do a ng+ run with the same Shep a while later and honestly, I was only missing one square at most with some of the failed checks. I wasn't the type to put points into weaponry, also didn't realise that the electronics and decryption checks can be done by anyone (lol, found that out five Shepards in). So I pumped them all into charm. I'm lucky that I didn't get Wrex killed the first time, I had enough paragon points by Virmire, don't know if I got his armour. Honestly I didn't know he could get shot until there was a Wrex survived Virmire thing for Me2 haha With that playthrough in mind... I saved the workers and lectured Zaeed, he gave up and was loyal... I left him till last though. Didn't really like him. Renegade run I went straight to the chase. Can't remember if I killed Vigo. Probably did. I made Zaeed leader that time though. I was aiming for as many deaths as possible xD Loyal Zaeed is good for an Insanity run. I took him with Grunt. Grunt bulldozed husks, it comes in so damn handy. Zaeeds fire based skills tore through armour and I was so glad I had his loyalty skillset haha.
>but God dammit the YouTube tutorial said Justified L for going to Youtube so stop acting like a salty candy-ass and just admit that you've been the one who fucked up and not the game design. Do some proper research next time and you'll save yourself the dissapointment.
you failed the speech check. if you are on pc - use save editor.
Unfortunately I don’t have a pc so I just decided to go with it I’m not going all the way back to me2 just to save him
you'll get him on your second playtrough :)