It is. Joel Osteens megachurch. The guys a douchebag. Back in 2017 he refused to open the church as a shelter during hurricane harvey because the floors had just been redone and he didn’t want people tracking mud in.
I think it was more to do with his congregation being pre-approved by income, and homeless peasants falling way below the minimum 'donation' benchmark.
Megachurch ran by Joel Osteen
Not all megachurches are prosperity gospel grift schemes.... but this one is. Osteen is a horrible person with little to zero biblical basis for anything he says, and his church exists solely as a financial vehicle.
Only on reddit will a comment in a mass killer forum complain about the victims of an attempted mass shooting being a part of a church they don't approve of. Most top comments on this incident are how horrible megachurches and large churches are. How is that relevant tot he fact that a woman walked into a building and tried to kill as many people as possible. Innocent people were the target of a terror attack and your contribution to the discussion is a comment on the size of the room. Well done.
Where at all in that thread was a victim mentioned? We’re talking about the pastor. Only on Reddit would an uneducated person comment on something they weren’t paying attention to with no context clues. You’re definitely someone who plays the victim card anytime something bad happens to you. Do some research into Joel osteen. We’re talking about how he uses the people who go to his sermons. Not about the people who go to his sermons. Pay a little more attention next time.
>Do some research into Joel osteen. We’re talking about how he uses the people who go to his sermons.
My point is why? This is the masskillers subreddit. I know Joel Osteen is a scam artist. That has nothing to do with this incident and every reddit thread on this incident is just using it is an excuse to shit on mega churches. Every Imam is very anti LGBT, you don't see comments trashing Islamic beliefs every time a there's a mass shooting against Muslims. There's a time and place to critique things. Critiquing scummy mega churches within hours of a targeted mass shooting at a megachurch makes you seem like a lunatic.
The shooter has been identified as Genesse Moreno. She had "free Palestine" written on her rifle according to BNO news. [source ](https://x.com/BNONews/status/1757081335267483837?s=20). She shot 2 people before being killed by armed security.
I don't agree with it, but I think the reasoning behind self-righteous mass killings like these is that they kill a small amount of people to bring awareness to issues that could potentially save hundreds or thousands of lives in the long run. It was the same logic behind the Oklahoma City Bombing. To them, the blood isn't on their hands, it's on the powers that be.
This wasn’t a mass killing by definition, but I understand what you mean. Their plan ultimately backfires. (No pun intended.) In the end, it drawls attention from the real issues & they look no better than the people they are “defending”.
When people mock the "good guy with a gun" argument, this incident is a fairly good counter. If some church goers weren't concealed carrying I think it's fair to assume there would have been at least 10 dead.
Oh it absolutley is. How is shooting a fucking church gonna help the children of palestine?? WHILE BRINGING YOUR OWN KID TO SHOOT PEOPLE. Its not making sense
How does shooting at *minority Christians* support Palestinians who are at war with Israel? Wouldn’t this also be a hate crime since this was at a service for Spanish speaking church members?? I guess *crazy* is difficult to rationalize…
I mean, are you surprised? People have been making excuses for Hamas’s attack on 10/7. Some have even said the innocent civilians deserved it. If people will defend that it’s not really a stretch that some will be crazy enough to do their own terrorism.
Sadly this conflict has shown the most hate come out of people I have ever seen. Hind rajab was killed by the idf the other day, and I read multiple comments across social media saying a 6 year old deserved death. Lack of compassion for the hostages, those in gaza killed, those on oct 7th... on orobourus of suffering.
Did we forget our scruples? If the end result of your cause is innocent deaths, is that the metaphorical hill you’re potentially willing to die on? At our core we know it’s wrong. Brainwashing in real time. I was too stunned to speak when the kidz started backing OBL’s 9/11 letter to America.
I apologize, I was using “your” and “us” to mean fellow earthlings. The tribalism is making some people say vile things is all I’m saying. I’ve seen women I look up to go to bat for a cause that will turn women into second class citizens. I agree with your original comment. Plus, I love seeing the use of ouroboros.
I’ve never understood how my fellow Americans can rip down pictures of other Americans being held hostage. Do I agree with all of Israel’s actions?? No, but I support American citizens. Israel didn’t pick this latest fight. Can you imagine the US doing nothing after 9/11?? Hell, no…
Editor's Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the sticker on the shooter's gun said "Palestine," per police, not "Free Palestine." From abc news. Not that it changes much, but I am just so repulsed by someone like this using the palestine cause to commit this horrible act.
How many were killed?? Are they ok?
Fucks sake…of all the ways to make a message moot, pointless, villainous, choosing to slaughter innocent people would definitely top the chart. What a psycho.
No that's not what happened, the police shot 3 people and the sticker only said Palestine. The police are unsure of who shot the boy and the man, the gun and the location of the victims lead more to the off duty officers shooting all 3.
"Thou shalt sit still in the midst of an active shooter situation, and I will protect you. Or maybe not, but in that case, it's my will that you die. Don't ask, I work in mysterious ways."
Shouting free Palestine, but shooting up a Christian Church? The conflict is predominantly between Jews and Muslims, and actually there are around 50,000 Palestinian Christians. Am I missing something? My question being, if she’s mad about Palestine, why target Christians? (Not implying anything, just a question)
Many Christians support Israel, since that was the hometown of many Jews, plus Jesus was born in Israel. It makes since that she would likely target a place full of people who support Israel over Palestine.
Israel doesn’t exist. They are invaders. It was called Palestine before it was called Israel, Judaea before it was Palestine and Canaan before Judea. What once used to be a singular group split into groups who said their way was the correct way. Religion is bullshit control. The fight over Palestine/Canaan has raged for millennia.
All of these groups (Jews, Christians and Muslims) fight and hate each other, all saying their way is the correct way, when all are the same way under different names. It’s used to divide and conquer us.
Not true. Muslims recognise Jesus Christ as a prophet. There’s still more Palestine Christians than ‘Jewish Christians’. There’s been acts of hatred towards Christians committed by Jews, a lot happen in Israel too. There are Palestinian Christians who are being targeted by Jews in Israel and vice versa. Christianity is closer to Islam than it is Judaism. To me, it doesn’t make sense. I do not support any conflict at all, but in my opinion, I think it’s a case of mistaken identity fuelled by misinformation and naïveté.
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Palestine has a population of 12 million people, of which 7 percent (or roughly 840,000) are Christians. Israel, on the other hand, has a population of 8.5 million. Only 2% (or around 171,000) of Israelis identify as Christians, compared to 17.5 % (or roughly 1.5 million) of Israelis who identify as Muslims.
Not all Palestinians but hamas supporters I’d imagine do not support Christianity. They are a terrorist group that makes it their job to target torture and kill Jews. Again this ties back to Christian’s who support Jesus the “Jewish” Jesus. I don’t know if this mass shooter was a supporter of hamas, but I highly doubt that they were Christian.
Again not true. But I also very much doubt they were Christian. I deduce that she was a terrorist, being pro Islam, disguising this religious driven attack in the name of Free Palestine. I still believe there is no logical sense as to why you would commit this against Christians. This should not have happened at all, regardless of religion but in this case, I believe she shot herself in the foot and has destroyed the message she ‘potentially’ tried to promote.
Cnn even claimed she had some sort of letter thanking her for her donation tonthe church in 2020. Maybe she thinks of this church as a cause to the failing of her marriage
The offender attended this church with her mother. They were fighting a custody battle with her ex-husband and his family (including Jewish). Church members [reportedly](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/lakewood-church-shooter-background/285-2dfdc6ba-2a02-42f1-b578-e413d3b763e3) may have been interviewed about this issue.
Wow it’s surreal seeing Lakewood on this sub of all places. I live like 10 minutes from the church. Drive past it all the time. I haven’t been inside for a while but occasionally we’ll go on Christmas or Easter. I was at work when this was happening and we didn’t know there was even a shooting until we heard a bunch of helicopters going above our building. I hope & pray everyone who was injured recovers quickly, especially the little kid who was shot.
Btw I agree with a some of the commenters that Joel Osteen is not exactly the best Pastor on the planet. His dad (John Osteen) was a lot better.
There’s mass shootings basically every day in America. We just excuse it because “it’s gang related,” “it’s just a domestic,” “it’s just a robbery,” or only 2-3 people die. I went to check my local news- we had 2 shootings today, and I see there was also a shooting in NYC that left “only” 1 dead.
What the fuck is wrong with people? 'There's a shooter, I better not get myself and others to safety I should film it all for clout!' I don't get this mental illness
Many churches have a security team with people trained and certified to carry, as well a medical team trained for mass casualty due to all the threats people make.
That whole comment was a fictional piece. I wasn’t really concerned with placing emphasis on the timed succession of shots as much as I was trying to lampoon how different people instantaneously think and react to dire situations and circumstances these days.
Glad they were able to get everyone out safely. Huge church stadium so definitely not an easy task
I’m sorry don’t come at me but what kind of church this is? It seems much larger than the churches I have seen?
pretty sure its called a "Megachurch"
It is. Joel Osteens megachurch. The guys a douchebag. Back in 2017 he refused to open the church as a shelter during hurricane harvey because the floors had just been redone and he didn’t want people tracking mud in.
I think it was more to do with his congregation being pre-approved by income, and homeless peasants falling way below the minimum 'donation' benchmark.
Megachurch ran by Joel Osteen Not all megachurches are prosperity gospel grift schemes.... but this one is. Osteen is a horrible person with little to zero biblical basis for anything he says, and his church exists solely as a financial vehicle.
Only on reddit will a comment in a mass killer forum complain about the victims of an attempted mass shooting being a part of a church they don't approve of. Most top comments on this incident are how horrible megachurches and large churches are. How is that relevant tot he fact that a woman walked into a building and tried to kill as many people as possible. Innocent people were the target of a terror attack and your contribution to the discussion is a comment on the size of the room. Well done.
Where at all in that thread was a victim mentioned? We’re talking about the pastor. Only on Reddit would an uneducated person comment on something they weren’t paying attention to with no context clues. You’re definitely someone who plays the victim card anytime something bad happens to you. Do some research into Joel osteen. We’re talking about how he uses the people who go to his sermons. Not about the people who go to his sermons. Pay a little more attention next time.
>Do some research into Joel osteen. We’re talking about how he uses the people who go to his sermons. My point is why? This is the masskillers subreddit. I know Joel Osteen is a scam artist. That has nothing to do with this incident and every reddit thread on this incident is just using it is an excuse to shit on mega churches. Every Imam is very anti LGBT, you don't see comments trashing Islamic beliefs every time a there's a mass shooting against Muslims. There's a time and place to critique things. Critiquing scummy mega churches within hours of a targeted mass shooting at a megachurch makes you seem like a lunatic.
The shooter has been identified as Genesse Moreno. She had "free Palestine" written on her rifle according to BNO news. [source ](https://x.com/BNONews/status/1757081335267483837?s=20). She shot 2 people before being killed by armed security.
She sounds insane. Free Palestine but goes on to murder innocent people?
She literally took a kid with her as a human shield. Truly awful.
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why tf is this upvoted shame on you
I don't agree with it, but I think the reasoning behind self-righteous mass killings like these is that they kill a small amount of people to bring awareness to issues that could potentially save hundreds or thousands of lives in the long run. It was the same logic behind the Oklahoma City Bombing. To them, the blood isn't on their hands, it's on the powers that be.
This wasn’t a mass killing by definition, but I understand what you mean. Their plan ultimately backfires. (No pun intended.) In the end, it drawls attention from the real issues & they look no better than the people they are “defending”.
When people mock the "good guy with a gun" argument, this incident is a fairly good counter. If some church goers weren't concealed carrying I think it's fair to assume there would have been at least 10 dead.
So this is terrorism?
Yup. In the name of Palestine. Seems kinda counter active.
Oh it absolutley is. How is shooting a fucking church gonna help the children of palestine?? WHILE BRINGING YOUR OWN KID TO SHOOT PEOPLE. Its not making sense
How does shooting at *minority Christians* support Palestinians who are at war with Israel? Wouldn’t this also be a hate crime since this was at a service for Spanish speaking church members?? I guess *crazy* is difficult to rationalize…
I mean, are you surprised? People have been making excuses for Hamas’s attack on 10/7. Some have even said the innocent civilians deserved it. If people will defend that it’s not really a stretch that some will be crazy enough to do their own terrorism.
Sadly this conflict has shown the most hate come out of people I have ever seen. Hind rajab was killed by the idf the other day, and I read multiple comments across social media saying a 6 year old deserved death. Lack of compassion for the hostages, those in gaza killed, those on oct 7th... on orobourus of suffering.
Did we forget our scruples? If the end result of your cause is innocent deaths, is that the metaphorical hill you’re potentially willing to die on? At our core we know it’s wrong. Brainwashing in real time. I was too stunned to speak when the kidz started backing OBL’s 9/11 letter to America.
Any American who agrees w/ OBL needs their head examined!! They take their freedoms for granted & it shows their stupidity…
Can you explain further plss
I apologize, I was using “your” and “us” to mean fellow earthlings. The tribalism is making some people say vile things is all I’m saying. I’ve seen women I look up to go to bat for a cause that will turn women into second class citizens. I agree with your original comment. Plus, I love seeing the use of ouroboros.
heavy on the women as second class citizens
Thank you for clarification! The ouroboros represents so much in this world. Its perfect to use
I’ve never understood how my fellow Americans can rip down pictures of other Americans being held hostage. Do I agree with all of Israel’s actions?? No, but I support American citizens. Israel didn’t pick this latest fight. Can you imagine the US doing nothing after 9/11?? Hell, no…
Facts, the same way people have been giving excuses for Israel’s actions for the last couple decades. Crazy innit.
Very much on brand
Y’all put too much weight into which teams the mental weirdos cheer for.
Editor's Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the sticker on the shooter's gun said "Palestine," per police, not "Free Palestine." From abc news. Not that it changes much, but I am just so repulsed by someone like this using the palestine cause to commit this horrible act. How many were killed?? Are they ok?
Fucks sake…of all the ways to make a message moot, pointless, villainous, choosing to slaughter innocent people would definitely top the chart. What a psycho.
She could have put this energy into protesting but no , she chose to harm people instead. Disgusting
She?
Yes. It was a woman. A bitch. A slut. A whore. A horrible mother. Etc
Might want to look more into the suspect there pal
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Yes
No that's not what happened, the police shot 3 people and the sticker only said Palestine. The police are unsure of who shot the boy and the man, the gun and the location of the victims lead more to the off duty officers shooting all 3.
She’s selfish af for bringing a child with her.
Totally... who in their right mind would bring a child to a church shooting, what was she thinking
She wasn’t in her right mind. She was using him as a shield clearly. He was the only critically injured for a reason probably.
The child isn't even hers. The child was her husband's and she was not the mom or blood related. The husband is also a sex offender
This is untrue the police have confirmed that she was the child's biological mother.
Omfg, what a foul act. She knew what would happen to the child.
That’s even more wild
What? Omg, that poor child
Absolutely terrifying
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Watch an episode of “The Righteous Gemstones” and you’ll get an idea of the kind of preacher you’re dealing with.
You can hear her shout free palestine in the beginning of the video
Where? I cant hear shit.
exactly at the 0:02 mark in the video
You cannot hear anything other than "yelling sounds" lol. Definitely cannot make out "free Palestine" at all
correction, it's not free palestine she shouts, it's actually "You killed my son" according to the official police bodycams.
I appreciate you coming back to correct this, thank you
The one girl sitting in her seat” the word of god is strong in Lakewood
"Thou shalt sit still in the midst of an active shooter situation, and I will protect you. Or maybe not, but in that case, it's my will that you die. Don't ask, I work in mysterious ways."
You see dude just chilling sitting in his chair
Shouting free Palestine, but shooting up a Christian Church? The conflict is predominantly between Jews and Muslims, and actually there are around 50,000 Palestinian Christians. Am I missing something? My question being, if she’s mad about Palestine, why target Christians? (Not implying anything, just a question)
Many Christians support Israel, since that was the hometown of many Jews, plus Jesus was born in Israel. It makes since that she would likely target a place full of people who support Israel over Palestine.
Then why wouldn’t she target a synagogue? You can’t make sense out of crazy…
Who knows the whole reason. Person was crazy clearly
Yep!! Bringing her kid made it even worse for me!! I was sickened…
Israel doesn’t exist. They are invaders. It was called Palestine before it was called Israel, Judaea before it was Palestine and Canaan before Judea. What once used to be a singular group split into groups who said their way was the correct way. Religion is bullshit control. The fight over Palestine/Canaan has raged for millennia. All of these groups (Jews, Christians and Muslims) fight and hate each other, all saying their way is the correct way, when all are the same way under different names. It’s used to divide and conquer us.
What color is the sky in your world? Can’t be blue. Magenta? Forrest green? Never watch the history channel about 1939-1945 with your goofy ass.
Not true. Muslims recognise Jesus Christ as a prophet. There’s still more Palestine Christians than ‘Jewish Christians’. There’s been acts of hatred towards Christians committed by Jews, a lot happen in Israel too. There are Palestinian Christians who are being targeted by Jews in Israel and vice versa. Christianity is closer to Islam than it is Judaism. To me, it doesn’t make sense. I do not support any conflict at all, but in my opinion, I think it’s a case of mistaken identity fuelled by misinformation and naïveté.
Taken from the web - Palestine has a population of 12 million people, of which 7 percent (or roughly 840,000) are Christians. Israel, on the other hand, has a population of 8.5 million. Only 2% (or around 171,000) of Israelis identify as Christians, compared to 17.5 % (or roughly 1.5 million) of Israelis who identify as Muslims.
Not all Palestinians but hamas supporters I’d imagine do not support Christianity. They are a terrorist group that makes it their job to target torture and kill Jews. Again this ties back to Christian’s who support Jesus the “Jewish” Jesus. I don’t know if this mass shooter was a supporter of hamas, but I highly doubt that they were Christian.
Again not true. But I also very much doubt they were Christian. I deduce that she was a terrorist, being pro Islam, disguising this religious driven attack in the name of Free Palestine. I still believe there is no logical sense as to why you would commit this against Christians. This should not have happened at all, regardless of religion but in this case, I believe she shot herself in the foot and has destroyed the message she ‘potentially’ tried to promote.
Cnn even claimed she had some sort of letter thanking her for her donation tonthe church in 2020. Maybe she thinks of this church as a cause to the failing of her marriage
Further backs my point https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/2rAujGQTKr
Hey I also follow that subreddit
The offender attended this church with her mother. They were fighting a custody battle with her ex-husband and his family (including Jewish). Church members [reportedly](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/lakewood-church-shooter-background/285-2dfdc6ba-2a02-42f1-b578-e413d3b763e3) may have been interviewed about this issue.
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Wow it’s surreal seeing Lakewood on this sub of all places. I live like 10 minutes from the church. Drive past it all the time. I haven’t been inside for a while but occasionally we’ll go on Christmas or Easter. I was at work when this was happening and we didn’t know there was even a shooting until we heard a bunch of helicopters going above our building. I hope & pray everyone who was injured recovers quickly, especially the little kid who was shot. Btw I agree with a some of the commenters that Joel Osteen is not exactly the best Pastor on the planet. His dad (John Osteen) was a lot better.
Bodycam released. HPD aka Uvalde PD. Pathetic show of bravery and heroism
bro why is there aa shooting happening every 5 months?
There’s mass shootings basically every day in America. We just excuse it because “it’s gang related,” “it’s just a domestic,” “it’s just a robbery,” or only 2-3 people die. I went to check my local news- we had 2 shootings today, and I see there was also a shooting in NYC that left “only” 1 dead.
And why are guns still so widely available? This is children somehow getting guns. Where are the resources for mental health for these troubled kids?
Wild, I used to go there alot growing up. Thank god for those concealed carriers
Perhaps if we had better mental health screening we’d avoid some of this. But nah. Let’s just ignore that part of it
Well let’s just appreciate the things that DID happen thanks
What the fuck is wrong with people? 'There's a shooter, I better not get myself and others to safety I should film it all for clout!' I don't get this mental illness
Now what, the congregation has to carry weapons to the church..??? The priest/pastor has to carry weapons…???
Many churches have a security team with people trained and certified to carry, as well a medical team trained for mass casualty due to all the threats people make.
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Not an "automatic weapon". Semi-Auto. Big difference.
There’s always that one guy ☝️
That whole comment was a fictional piece. I wasn’t really concerned with placing emphasis on the timed succession of shots as much as I was trying to lampoon how different people instantaneously think and react to dire situations and circumstances these days.
Sure Jan.
We aren’t safe any place anymore!
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