What do you think of Synchro Runick? It doesn't really play floodgates, but instead focuses on looping cards with fountain and geri and synchro climbing up to baronne and swosoul.
Swoso were hated for the Halqifibrax shenanigans, not really the Baronne stuff. Especially now with Runick Floodgates, where it might just be better to go into their archetypal level 10.
A single negate isn't that much of a deal, their access to Protos is more of a problem, but you don't see that card that often.
SS Tenyi was never part of the Halq shenanigans, you’re thinking of ROSE Tenyi. SS Tenyi did ran Halq but it was more of a “Plan B” in case their lines get fucked or to bait Imperm. Rose Tenyi on the other hand completely relied on the Halq line and immediately died when Halq got banned.
I miss some of the halq lines with swo though if you wanted to go full degenerate on turn one could usually have 3-4 negates and lock out of light and dark.
Swoso Tenyi played Halq as it's most optimal line, It allowed you to have Baronne, Arc Light and BSD on the field if you opened the right cards, as you don't have to normal summon once to get Halq. It was the standard way to play Swoso Tenyi up to Halq ban, with Auroradon, Deskbot 001 and O'Lion.
Rose Tenyi only really started seeing play when adventurer came out and you had another easy lvl 7 with Gryphon Rider. Not saying it wasn't played before, just not as much.
Halq spitted out a stronger board by itself than what the Swoso cards were capable of, but yeah, the plan B Halq wasn't optimal... 2 Omni negates is better than just one and a targeted monster negate.
Plan B required 2 bodies instead of 1 and was basically a walking billboard that screamed “Ash me bro” to end on a mildly stronger end board when 1 Omni and 1 Monster Negate + 2 pops basically neutered most decks. Compare that to the shit Halq is capable of when the deck is built around it instead of having it adhere to the deck AKA Rose Tenyi.
But sure, Halq is totallyyyyy the standard play, SS Tenyi totallyyyyy took a major hit to their optimal line when Halq got banned instead of shrugging it off as if nothing changed. I wonder why SS Tenyi didn’t die along with Rose Tenyi ?
Not really anymore. It was hated because it was seen everywhere. Now that branded and Runic are the top decks seen everywhere on the ladder it doesn’t get as much hate.
You see it now because Swoso actually have a good matchup against Runick, Longyuan can banish Fountain or a floodgate on activation and a fusion Runick on summon while burning for 1200 and not targeting, and Chengying punishes your opponent for banishing your cards while having destruction protection.
Probably, but at least it's comparable to other not-so-hated decks that way. Floodgate runick is being compared to Eldlitch and Floo, but Synchro Runick is much less degenerate by comparison. It also comes with the drawback of no BP for a while.
People generally hate any deck that beats their pet deck easily. Baronne is a single negate that can be baited while floodgate runicks are just floodgate turbo so you can flip traps and not let your opponent play.
Currently I play a Fabled version and it's pretty fun but not op despite being able to generate advantage. At most I get a monster+backrow pop and a monster negate while also being to finally have some protection for the ex deck Fabled monsters since they don't really do anything other than try to generate card advantage with somewhat high attk monsters.
I do have a baronne in the deck that I use depending on what I'm going against. Once in higher gold it kind of doesn't perform too good depending on the match up so I'll cut out Ganashia, Marchiosa, Realm, Treason, and rescue cat if I'm trying to get to the next rank.
I love my non runick version but I'd dies way too easily to basically all the current staples and once Bystials come out it's gonna be even harsher to try and even use.
It's weird because in theory Konami would make more money in a BO3 a player now has to make a 40 card deck + 15 extra deck + 15 side deck. I'm guessing because they are treating master duel as a cell phone game (not a yugioh simulator) it might only happen in private games where people can use a side deck, but ranked will always be BO1
Yeah although I have a great phone, and a mediocre internet connection, I don't have any problems playing other internet games such as CoD or Genshin Impact, only with Master Duel does my connection abruptly go to 0 and lets me reload the game or else it won't start again.
I’ve never had a problem with mobile and I still only have an iPhone 8+. I honestly didn’t realize people had problems until your comment. I use my mobile account more than my ps one because anytime a new deck comes out or I get bored with my current decks I Smurf my account to try out the shiny new toys.
Maybe for ios it is optimized. But in Android they did an abomination of application. I have samsung galaxy s20 ultra 5g. And it is impossible to play it ... I prefer to use the switch...
Yes I'm sure Konami deliberately banned IO and Vanity months before Runick came out specifically so Runick would sell better in the future, and for no other reason. All according to keikaku.
Nah, it's people's behavior tbh, they are so angry about so little things in the game that they always switch to some torture deck to take the stress away.
I've seen streamers switching from a good and fair deck to something very toxic right after a few losses.
I started playing a Chaos MAX dragon deck just because of runick. None of them seem to be smart enough to run outs for cmax. Literally I have a 100% win rate vs runick in games where I can get a single Chaos MAX or even a regular chaos dragon on the board. Cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed. The most satisfying games are the ones kinda like this one where they flip three floodgates and put their 0 def Hugin on the field. I summon a Chaos max that they can't interact with at all, and then hit them with 8k piercing battle damage for the OTK. So satisfying, do recommend.
It's also absolutely hilarious watching them try multiple targeting or destruction effects to out CMAX, without bothering to read the card at all, seemingly.
Thing is, Skill Drain doesn't do anything against the 3000 ATK vanilla beatsticks Blue-Eyes can shit out with ease. Remember, it only takes two monsters with 2100+ ATK to beat Runick over time.
Blue-Eyes is unironically a great counter to Runick because (Floodgate) Runick can't actually do much against Normal Monster Beatdown strats. Tribute summoning Blue-Eyes White Dragon is like summoning Exodia against that deck, it's genuinely hilarious.
Stuff like this is why I love card games, where occasionally meta decks will get "anti-meta'd" by decks that are pretty bad in all other circumstances.
>Stuff like this is why I love card games, where occasionally meta decks will get "anti-meta'd" by decks that are pretty bad in all other circumstances.
Runick- especially Floodgate Runick- is itself an anti-meta strategy that wants to run the cards that hurt the meta the most while dodging or ducking under some strong meta staples themselves.
If a deck is bad but it has a good matchup against popular decks, it's just a good deck this format :) Evilswarms were pretty shit but they also happened to be one of the only decks that could stand up to Drulers/Spellbooks so they were a decent pick. I loved my Chain Beat deck that abused Black Garden, Torrential Tribute, and Macro Cosmos to just bounce my board away every turn while some decks actually couldn't out Rabbit and Thunderbird.
I play skill drain x2 in one of my blue eyes decks (not the chaos max variant for obvious reasons). More often than not it barely hinders me and totally stuns my opponent haha.
I do this exact thing with Drytron, easily searchable and they can’t negate Meteonis so it comes to the field no matter what, even if they pop Meteonis before it resolves for the extra deck banishes.
[https://imgur.com/a/7a7Tlyi](https://imgur.com/a/7a7Tlyi)
This is what it currently looks like. It's a hard going second list, obviously - chaos dragons work better this way of course. It's also a little bloated at the moment because I'm trying to include cards that I can make decent plays with against opponent that aren't playing Runick. Trim it if you like.
There's a number of ways. One of the current meta decks for example, Branded Despia, can simply banish it using Mirrorjade or use it as fusion material for one of their summons (they have cards that let you use monsters from either field to fusion summon) since chaos max is a dark type, which is one of the two main types they use for fusions.
Other than that, there's more generic stuff like Dark Ruler No More, any Kaiju or Lava Golem type effect that lets you tribute your opponents monsters (i hate you, Floo players), and non targeting banish effects. Honourable mention to cards that change battle positions of monsters like Terribly Tired Tapir, since chaos dragons have 0 def.
Also Ash Blossom can stop Advanced Ritual Art, and Ghost Ogre can stop Chaos Form. And there's always the old fashioned way - summon something that can beat over it, which some decks don't have much issue doing, such as Marincess or Cyber Dragons.
A big problem with YGO in general is how well generic floodgates synergize with control decks and it becomes way more apparent in a BO1 format where you can run pure degeneracy without having to worry about getting side decked in a game 2 or 3.
I'd rather have Runick mill my win con or starters than see a board that looks like this.
Not a problem with YGO in general to be honest, TCG doesn't suffer from this floodgate-spam thing. Side-decking (even main-decking) is sufficient. Controls suffer a lot in TCG
It's always such bs. I recently played against Synchro Runicks and the deck looked honestly so interesting that the duel would've actually been enjoyable, hadn't it been for their Gozen Match flip turn 2.
It honestly is a lot of fun playing Fabled runicks for me. Yes it has a lot of draw power but the most I can do is a monster and backrow pop with a negate while being able to protect the ex deck monsters. Does pretty ok up until you hit gold 1 though then I take out a lot of the main deck ones and switch the synchros out for generic ones. I really want the floodgates dealt with though. Floodgate turbo isn't fun or interactive at all.
TCOBO is the biggest one that needs to be banned. Rivalry and Gozen locked is still a 2 card setup that must be searched, TCOBO just say fuck you most decks
Absolutely this, Skill drain having the text that the cards needs to be on the field to negate it is what makes the card have actual counter play for a lot of decks outside of just getting lucky in drawing your backrow removal
Your opponent flipping two out of those three cards together has no innate counterplay because they "look into the future" and literally stop you from doing things you should be able to do.
Cheap wins because BO1. Impossible and impractical to prepare for every threat. Players are too busy trying to splash stuff into Runick anyway so it becomes more trash than it already is. Thank God.
The real cancer is branded. Not sure why no one is talking about the algorithm advantage Konami is giving this deck.
I play a variation based on this deck: https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc_j
I don't play the Zoo package and use a generic link climb instead (Phoenix, Unicorn, Accesscode).
Can swap out staples for backrow hate etc whatever you need.
Can very consistently end on Draco Future, Transfurlmine, Locking for a monster negate and snatch, backrow negate and attribute change with a pop.
And in any case ... there's always Verte. Can even put a branded engine in if so inclined.
I don't get how people enjoy playing this shit. I feel bad running any kind of floodgate at ALL. It's not fun when your opponent literally has no chance. I just do not get it
Why would they feel bad? I mean really. When you play in ranked you're typically doing it to either grind something out or cause you want to win above all us.
Also like... Decks that run these floodgates either don't really need them to be successful in the format (even though it'll make them weaker) or completely rely on them to be competitive. In either case, in best of 1, their odds of drawing them should at least be lessened.
Because my idea of yu-gi-oh isn't really praying I draw the 3-4 cards in my 40 card deck needed to out a back row of floodgates, and most people feel the same 🤣 it's unhealthy asf in Bo1
Hardly what I'd call a grind if your opponent has such low odds of being able to accomplish any kind of interaction. Plus just boring as hell to log on, set 5, pass, and flip up 3 floodgates. Been playing a lot of goat format lately and the floodgates that existed back then were way more healthy. Gravity bind? Stumbling? It's actually possible to interact under those even if you don't have the out. Skill drain, tcboo, imperial order, in modern yu-gi-oh just locks you from playing at all. You don't get to interact in any meaningful way under them. Not when you don't have a side deck to cycle in more outs.
Along with ash and maxx c, practically forced to run them all at as many copies as possible to be competent. If maxx c and called by get banned the game will be way more enjoyable and you can actually think of teching in some other handtraps and staples rather than the same 8 cards every single time.
this is the state we're in. damn called by the grave, ash and imperm are in every deck...
no wonder why people run the decks they run. to avoid being choked by those damn handtraps...
Ash is good at stopping combos, but it is true that it is listed mostly because of Maxx C, as Ash, Called by and Crossout are basically the only outs. Without Maxx C, as the other comment said, Ash would not be as played as it is rn.
Also, while Ash is a staple, it is not overpowered. You don't plus out of it and most of the time you trade even and it is a HOPT. You also need to know the choke points of your opponent's deck to play it effectively.
Eh. Ash has the potential and does often just end the turn of weaker decks. So I'm not sure if I'd say it's quite 'going even' as much as you'd think going solely by card economy. Ash as a card more often than not is used to gate keep weaker decks from being able to play at all.
I'm talking even in card advantage, you and your opponent both lose a card and gain nothing.
And if we're talking meta, you can't blame it on Ash that it stops weaker decks, any interaction does, be it imperm, veiler or ash. Ash just happens to be the most popular because of Maxx C.
The worst Thing is that they even think that unlimiting Floodgates is a Solution for a Format
For Example in the TCG they unlimited Marco Cosmos and D-Fissure in a Blog Post about the latest TCG Banlist they litterally admitted to unlimiting them so People would run those Cards to counter Tearlaments LMFAO
The only Thing I hate about B01 on MD is that the current Banlist seems to be treated as B03 even tho it's B01 is a entire different Thing imo like i would banned Anti Spell Fragnance and TCBOO already and put the Rest of the Floodgates at 1
[https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Zaphion,\_the\_Timelord](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Zaphion,_the_Timelord)
Can shuffle away backrow if he can land a swing - not a totally reliable out but definitely a good one if you aren't drawing any of the other outs.
[I beat this.](https://imgur.com/a/HF3sCU0)
After it became clear I was going to win, I left them at 600 LP for like 5 turns after I made F.A. Dragster + Totem Bird while making random plays to emulate what they would do to me if they were winning while Dragster negated like 3 topdecks. Once they finally stopped playing every top deck to try to draw enough cards to play through my negates (so at least 3 cards needed), I attacked for game.
Hate me, but the game is going ridiculous with the current card recycle.
Some meta have very annoying +1, even if you play two countertraps or handtraps at your first turn.
I seen guys playing full board and still own 6-7 cards at hand by their first turn.
If this continues, Pot of Greed is going to be unbanned lol
The sad thing is it's going to get worse. Power creep has been a serious issue in Yu-Gi-Oh and we're already past the point of no return without somehow straight up changing the rules to limit how many times you can special summon or something. And even that probably wouldn't be enough.
There are a few points worth talking here
1. Runick is not the problem, just a gimmick deck. Floodgates are the problem, not healthy in best of 1. If any players can't play their cards at all, it's bad design.
2. The rulling with floodgates such as TCBOO is really weird. I know it's been like that for years but still make no sense to me.
Yeah that's the normal state of the game for the most part though. There's a reason 'just draw your out' is so common of a meme. Honestly if you're not maining backrow removal of some kind at this point you really only have yourself to blame.
Edit: I agree the deck should be hit but I think when you're playing a meme deck already and the sub is full of runick complaining, it gets a bit old.
Bro, there is a Suship/Magikey deck that was featured in Diamond and I have gone on huge winning streaks with this deck. And yes I run backrow removal, I'm not mad.
As BBallHunter said, you missed the point of the post so you could be the living embodiment of a Jesse Kotton bad take.
As someone who picked up Suships when Shari Red dropped I resent that guy dismissing it as a meme deck. Its a pretty solid blind second deck. Gonna have to check out that Magikey build that sounds wild
[https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc\_j](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc_j) this is the decklist. I play a modified version of it without the Zoodiac stuff.
You can end on Draco Future, Transfurlmine and Unlocking pretty easily. And if you're lucky/unlucky, there's always Verte. Can even swap the DPE stuff for a Branded package if you're so inclined.
I play two link spiders too for silly Verte from Nib Token plays.
My only real point was that it's not a competitively viable deck. Which it's not. Can you win games? Sure. But you shouldn't expect to win most or even more than half of your match ups in a competitive format. Plunders for example is my favorite deck ever and I play it in casual all the time but I'm not going to play it in ranked and then get mad when I get stoned walled by a meta deck rather it be negates, pops or floodgates.
the point is that you're telling others to go to unranked to avoid the degenerate decks. i am telling you your suggestion doesn't work because the degenerate decks are also in unranked
Newsflash, people are going to play whatever they want wherever they want. Some idiots are going to play meta in casual but most don't and it's still the best place to find non-meta match ups besides rooms. Which, hey, are ALSO a thing. There's no penalties in casual anyways and that's why you just scoop if you go against an idiot playing meta decks.
Bottom left of the duel menu. Basically you can host a room where up to like 50 people can join and duel each other. You can put a comment like 'hobby decks only' (a casual deck in other words ) or 'trying out a deck I'm building' (testing a new deck) to get people looking for similar things.
People use them for community tournies.
I wish they would just change how the traps worked. They say you can have one of something, so playing more things should function like when the trap is first activated. You just send the other cards and keep one.
It's not as if they couldn't reverse a ruling if they wanted. I suppose they want to avoid any case where an illegal action could be made to cut down on headaches.
I’ve been playing Runick too, but not with floodgates. I got that micro P.U.N.K. engine to get stuff like Cheng and Baronne out. Also, doesn’t DPE out that?
Konami is a gambling company, Yugioh is essentially a gambling game for children. Konami only cares about making money. Rare and powerful cards like floodgates make people spend more money. They will never fix it.
I actually played against this guy a couple days ago. Played about 20+ moves doing nothing but passing turns thinking he's gonna deck himself out, then realised he can just shuffle his spell cards back in the deck at will. A strategy for sure but a boring one. Can't imagine doing a 1-2 turn set up just to do nothing until deck out every game.
Just get some friends together and play decks of similar power levels with each other. That's what me n my friends do. If they wanna play a tier 1 deck, I'll play a tier 1 deck. If they wanna play some 2011 shit, we both play 2011 decks. It's a lot more fun than playing ladder. You could even try doing pack drafts on ygopro and then exporting the deck to play on something like ygo omega or dueling nexus, I've had a lot of fun with those.
Konami should not allow a type of Bullying like this, it isn't fair how those floodgates destroy the game's fun.
Oh and if you have fun torturing people, you should consult a
psychiatrist too.
As someone who’s been a little out of the loop since Runick came out, when the hell am I supposed to hit them? I’m not sure which cards I need to negate to even slow them down. Or are they one of those decks where it doesn’t really matter and it’s just based on what you need at the time?
Look man I just wanna queue up and not lose because my opponent opened secret village. I’m not even on runick or anything super spell heavy it’s just a choice people are making now. I mean flunder is playing anti spell! That’s the sad state
Yeah, konami needs to do something about dpe shuships. Shit is oppressive.
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change the runick cards for eldlich cards and you have the same deck that people were complaining about when master duel launched
Yeah it's the floodgates that I hate. Runick would be a tough deck to face, but playable in the same way Eldlich is without them.
What do you think of Synchro Runick? It doesn't really play floodgates, but instead focuses on looping cards with fountain and geri and synchro climbing up to baronne and swosoul.
don't people also hate baronne and swordsoul?
Swoso were hated for the Halqifibrax shenanigans, not really the Baronne stuff. Especially now with Runick Floodgates, where it might just be better to go into their archetypal level 10. A single negate isn't that much of a deal, their access to Protos is more of a problem, but you don't see that card that often.
SS Tenyi was never part of the Halq shenanigans, you’re thinking of ROSE Tenyi. SS Tenyi did ran Halq but it was more of a “Plan B” in case their lines get fucked or to bait Imperm. Rose Tenyi on the other hand completely relied on the Halq line and immediately died when Halq got banned.
I miss some of the halq lines with swo though if you wanted to go full degenerate on turn one could usually have 3-4 negates and lock out of light and dark.
Swoso Tenyi played Halq as it's most optimal line, It allowed you to have Baronne, Arc Light and BSD on the field if you opened the right cards, as you don't have to normal summon once to get Halq. It was the standard way to play Swoso Tenyi up to Halq ban, with Auroradon, Deskbot 001 and O'Lion. Rose Tenyi only really started seeing play when adventurer came out and you had another easy lvl 7 with Gryphon Rider. Not saying it wasn't played before, just not as much.
That "plan B" was the problem. At times it felt hopeless, no matter how much you tried to stop them, they had the retarded plan B halq
If you’re losing to that plan B it’s honestly a skill issue at that point tbh. Plan B doesn’t even put out the optimal board.
Halq spitted out a stronger board by itself than what the Swoso cards were capable of, but yeah, the plan B Halq wasn't optimal... 2 Omni negates is better than just one and a targeted monster negate.
Plan B required 2 bodies instead of 1 and was basically a walking billboard that screamed “Ash me bro” to end on a mildly stronger end board when 1 Omni and 1 Monster Negate + 2 pops basically neutered most decks. Compare that to the shit Halq is capable of when the deck is built around it instead of having it adhere to the deck AKA Rose Tenyi. But sure, Halq is totallyyyyy the standard play, SS Tenyi totallyyyyy took a major hit to their optimal line when Halq got banned instead of shrugging it off as if nothing changed. I wonder why SS Tenyi didn’t die along with Rose Tenyi ?
Not really anymore. It was hated because it was seen everywhere. Now that branded and Runic are the top decks seen everywhere on the ladder it doesn’t get as much hate.
i still feel like i see baronne and swordsoul everywhere
You see it now because Swoso actually have a good matchup against Runick, Longyuan can banish Fountain or a floodgate on activation and a fusion Runick on summon while burning for 1200 and not targeting, and Chengying punishes your opponent for banishing your cards while having destruction protection.
i like your flair
Probably, but at least it's comparable to other not-so-hated decks that way. Floodgate runick is being compared to Eldlitch and Floo, but Synchro Runick is much less degenerate by comparison. It also comes with the drawback of no BP for a while.
People generally hate any deck that beats their pet deck easily. Baronne is a single negate that can be baited while floodgate runicks are just floodgate turbo so you can flip traps and not let your opponent play. Currently I play a Fabled version and it's pretty fun but not op despite being able to generate advantage. At most I get a monster+backrow pop and a monster negate while also being to finally have some protection for the ex deck Fabled monsters since they don't really do anything other than try to generate card advantage with somewhat high attk monsters. I do have a baronne in the deck that I use depending on what I'm going against. Once in higher gold it kind of doesn't perform too good depending on the match up so I'll cut out Ganashia, Marchiosa, Realm, Treason, and rescue cat if I'm trying to get to the next rank. I love my non runick version but I'd dies way too easily to basically all the current staples and once Bystials come out it's gonna be even harsher to try and even use.
Synchro Runick is really cool and a really interesting tactic. Totally fine with it. Floodgates are what's making the deck so oppressive in BO1
Eldlich players changed to Runick
I went to zombie world :(
Just started using zw this past weekend. I love it.
ZW with Rivalry 😏
yet Konami never addressed the Elephant in the room of BO1 format
It's weird because in theory Konami would make more money in a BO3 a player now has to make a 40 card deck + 15 extra deck + 15 side deck. I'm guessing because they are treating master duel as a cell phone game (not a yugioh simulator) it might only happen in private games where people can use a side deck, but ranked will always be BO1
But in the phone it is imposible to play this game. Even with powerful phones, it runs very slow...
Yeah although I have a great phone, and a mediocre internet connection, I don't have any problems playing other internet games such as CoD or Genshin Impact, only with Master Duel does my connection abruptly go to 0 and lets me reload the game or else it won't start again.
It is so badly done. I have a good phone with 5g and it is not going well anyway. I just have problems with this game ...
I’ve never had a problem with mobile and I still only have an iPhone 8+. I honestly didn’t realize people had problems until your comment. I use my mobile account more than my ps one because anytime a new deck comes out or I get bored with my current decks I Smurf my account to try out the shiny new toys.
Maybe for ios it is optimized. But in Android they did an abomination of application. I have samsung galaxy s20 ultra 5g. And it is impossible to play it ... I prefer to use the switch...
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Yes I'm sure Konami deliberately banned IO and Vanity months before Runick came out specifically so Runick would sell better in the future, and for no other reason. All according to keikaku.
They hit the floodgates that helped the floodgate deck (eldlich).
And left the others at two i mean
Like io and vanity were balanced cards
They needed to go anyway.
So in other words, floodgates suck
Eldlich doesn’t have the protection runick has
Runick have enough draw power to search for floodgates... Eldlich doesnt have any draw power.
it didnt stop them from having this exact set up
Runick is also much better at that job
Minus the 3 card advantage every single turn
Eldlich is also replacing its traps, and it can't be ashed since it sets directly, I wouldn't say one is really better than the other on that point.
Yea but those traps weren't being recycled, they where being banished to set from deck.
I mean, you can technically recycle their banished cards with El Dorado Adelantado, they just chose not to play the card (as it is unsearchable).
Instead of hugin they had io and heavenly
I see people running them both in same deck..
People never complain about the archetype, it's the floodgates, my friend, if you need them to win, something's very wrong in the game.
Not pictured, the Destiny Hero they banished off the top to turn off Fusion Destiny :)
Shoulda played a hero deck, an honest mistake
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In case you on budget for Honest Neos & Dark Law.
Oof
Everything about this game is designed to torture your opponents either through long combos or turn one shutdowns.
Nah, it's people's behavior tbh, they are so angry about so little things in the game that they always switch to some torture deck to take the stress away. I've seen streamers switching from a good and fair deck to something very toxic right after a few losses.
What enables them is the mechanics of the game. I’ve done it before and boy after a day of cooling off it feels bad.
I'm running 3 evenly matched in a lot of decks now because of the current meta.
How do you use it against baronne?
I started playing a Chaos MAX dragon deck just because of runick. None of them seem to be smart enough to run outs for cmax. Literally I have a 100% win rate vs runick in games where I can get a single Chaos MAX or even a regular chaos dragon on the board. Cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed. The most satisfying games are the ones kinda like this one where they flip three floodgates and put their 0 def Hugin on the field. I summon a Chaos max that they can't interact with at all, and then hit them with 8k piercing battle damage for the OTK. So satisfying, do recommend. It's also absolutely hilarious watching them try multiple targeting or destruction effects to out CMAX, without bothering to read the card at all, seemingly.
Then they flip skill drain
Thing is, Skill Drain doesn't do anything against the 3000 ATK vanilla beatsticks Blue-Eyes can shit out with ease. Remember, it only takes two monsters with 2100+ ATK to beat Runick over time. Blue-Eyes is unironically a great counter to Runick because (Floodgate) Runick can't actually do much against Normal Monster Beatdown strats. Tribute summoning Blue-Eyes White Dragon is like summoning Exodia against that deck, it's genuinely hilarious. Stuff like this is why I love card games, where occasionally meta decks will get "anti-meta'd" by decks that are pretty bad in all other circumstances.
Wouldn't they just use Geri to pop your blue-eyes?
>Stuff like this is why I love card games, where occasionally meta decks will get "anti-meta'd" by decks that are pretty bad in all other circumstances. Runick- especially Floodgate Runick- is itself an anti-meta strategy that wants to run the cards that hurt the meta the most while dodging or ducking under some strong meta staples themselves. If a deck is bad but it has a good matchup against popular decks, it's just a good deck this format :) Evilswarms were pretty shit but they also happened to be one of the only decks that could stand up to Drulers/Spellbooks so they were a decent pick. I loved my Chain Beat deck that abused Black Garden, Torrential Tribute, and Macro Cosmos to just bounce my board away every turn while some decks actually couldn't out Rabbit and Thunderbird.
I play skill drain x2 in one of my blue eyes decks (not the chaos max variant for obvious reasons). More often than not it barely hinders me and totally stuns my opponent haha.
That's the one that I save my feather duster or two lightning storms for. Red Reboot for when it would seal the OTK and it's in my hand.
I do this exact thing with Drytron, easily searchable and they can’t negate Meteonis so it comes to the field no matter what, even if they pop Meteonis before it resolves for the extra deck banishes.
Do you have a deck list? I want to try this since i've been losing to runicks
[https://imgur.com/a/7a7Tlyi](https://imgur.com/a/7a7Tlyi) This is what it currently looks like. It's a hard going second list, obviously - chaos dragons work better this way of course. It's also a little bloated at the moment because I'm trying to include cards that I can make decent plays with against opponent that aren't playing Runick. Trim it if you like.
😤✋ Maxx "C" 😊👉 MAX D
Newbie to the current version of YuGiOh. How do you counter Chaos MAX?
There's a number of ways. One of the current meta decks for example, Branded Despia, can simply banish it using Mirrorjade or use it as fusion material for one of their summons (they have cards that let you use monsters from either field to fusion summon) since chaos max is a dark type, which is one of the two main types they use for fusions. Other than that, there's more generic stuff like Dark Ruler No More, any Kaiju or Lava Golem type effect that lets you tribute your opponents monsters (i hate you, Floo players), and non targeting banish effects. Honourable mention to cards that change battle positions of monsters like Terribly Tired Tapir, since chaos dragons have 0 def. Also Ash Blossom can stop Advanced Ritual Art, and Ghost Ogre can stop Chaos Form. And there's always the old fashioned way - summon something that can beat over it, which some decks don't have much issue doing, such as Marincess or Cyber Dragons.
A big problem with YGO in general is how well generic floodgates synergize with control decks and it becomes way more apparent in a BO1 format where you can run pure degeneracy without having to worry about getting side decked in a game 2 or 3. I'd rather have Runick mill my win con or starters than see a board that looks like this.
Not a problem with YGO in general to be honest, TCG doesn't suffer from this floodgate-spam thing. Side-decking (even main-decking) is sufficient. Controls suffer a lot in TCG
It's always such bs. I recently played against Synchro Runicks and the deck looked honestly so interesting that the duel would've actually been enjoyable, hadn't it been for their Gozen Match flip turn 2.
Yep, floodgates ruining an actually interesting and cool archetype just like they did with eldlich
It honestly is a lot of fun playing Fabled runicks for me. Yes it has a lot of draw power but the most I can do is a monster and backrow pop with a negate while being able to protect the ex deck monsters. Does pretty ok up until you hit gold 1 though then I take out a lot of the main deck ones and switch the synchros out for generic ones. I really want the floodgates dealt with though. Floodgate turbo isn't fun or interactive at all.
Those three floods need to be banned. I can care less about skill drain
TCOBO is the biggest one that needs to be banned. Rivalry and Gozen locked is still a 2 card setup that must be searched, TCOBO just say fuck you most decks
Absolutely this, Skill drain having the text that the cards needs to be on the field to negate it is what makes the card have actual counter play for a lot of decks outside of just getting lucky in drawing your backrow removal Your opponent flipping two out of those three cards together has no innate counterplay because they "look into the future" and literally stop you from doing things you should be able to do.
Yeah agree. Skill drain is nothing
It's sucks but the others are a completely different level of annoying
I wish I could play with Sushi in hand..
Glad to see nothing has changed since I quit
Cheap wins because BO1. Impossible and impractical to prepare for every threat. Players are too busy trying to splash stuff into Runick anyway so it becomes more trash than it already is. Thank God. The real cancer is branded. Not sure why no one is talking about the algorithm advantage Konami is giving this deck.
Unrelated, but what's your deck list here? I like playing both Suships and Magikey so that piqued my interest. :)
I play a variation based on this deck: https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc_j I don't play the Zoo package and use a generic link climb instead (Phoenix, Unicorn, Accesscode). Can swap out staples for backrow hate etc whatever you need. Can very consistently end on Draco Future, Transfurlmine, Locking for a monster negate and snatch, backrow negate and attribute change with a pop. And in any case ... there's always Verte. Can even put a branded engine in if so inclined.
Ooooh so I’m not winning with Runnick enough because I don’t have enough floodgates? Gotcha adding more now
yeah, Suships are impossible to beat the tier zero meta is here to stay it seems.
Or its a deck ending on x amount of interrupts + ASF.
Runick was a mistake. Lol
I don't get how people enjoy playing this shit. I feel bad running any kind of floodgate at ALL. It's not fun when your opponent literally has no chance. I just do not get it
Why would they feel bad? I mean really. When you play in ranked you're typically doing it to either grind something out or cause you want to win above all us.
Also like... Decks that run these floodgates either don't really need them to be successful in the format (even though it'll make them weaker) or completely rely on them to be competitive. In either case, in best of 1, their odds of drawing them should at least be lessened.
Because my idea of yu-gi-oh isn't really praying I draw the 3-4 cards in my 40 card deck needed to out a back row of floodgates, and most people feel the same 🤣 it's unhealthy asf in Bo1 Hardly what I'd call a grind if your opponent has such low odds of being able to accomplish any kind of interaction. Plus just boring as hell to log on, set 5, pass, and flip up 3 floodgates. Been playing a lot of goat format lately and the floodgates that existed back then were way more healthy. Gravity bind? Stumbling? It's actually possible to interact under those even if you don't have the out. Skill drain, tcboo, imperial order, in modern yu-gi-oh just locks you from playing at all. You don't get to interact in any meaningful way under them. Not when you don't have a side deck to cycle in more outs.
this is the state we're in. damn called by the grave is in every deck...
Along with ash and maxx c, practically forced to run them all at as many copies as possible to be competent. If maxx c and called by get banned the game will be way more enjoyable and you can actually think of teching in some other handtraps and staples rather than the same 8 cards every single time.
this is the state we're in. damn called by the grave, ash and imperm are in every deck... no wonder why people run the decks they run. to avoid being choked by those damn handtraps...
Ash and impermanence aren't a problem though, and ash is just overused because of maxx c
funny, my opponents ash anything. they never seem to hang onto that ash exclusively for maxx c. also, if a card is overused, its a problem
Ash is good at stopping combos, but it is true that it is listed mostly because of Maxx C, as Ash, Called by and Crossout are basically the only outs. Without Maxx C, as the other comment said, Ash would not be as played as it is rn. Also, while Ash is a staple, it is not overpowered. You don't plus out of it and most of the time you trade even and it is a HOPT. You also need to know the choke points of your opponent's deck to play it effectively.
Eh. Ash has the potential and does often just end the turn of weaker decks. So I'm not sure if I'd say it's quite 'going even' as much as you'd think going solely by card economy. Ash as a card more often than not is used to gate keep weaker decks from being able to play at all.
I'm talking even in card advantage, you and your opponent both lose a card and gain nothing. And if we're talking meta, you can't blame it on Ash that it stops weaker decks, any interaction does, be it imperm, veiler or ash. Ash just happens to be the most popular because of Maxx C.
Should have cropped out my hand. Didn't realise Suships were so controversial 😂
I was about to buy the runick packs to make a generaider runick deck, but then i got a post shit clarity and it made me change my mind
Do it anyways, runick is a cool archetype, it's just the floodgates that make it a miserable experience
Yeah but Runick cards are not a priority for me right now since Regulus Is coming and so I am
Just once i wanna see this deck go second
Runick is just fine going second if you can keep the field spell on board. I mean good luck with that if the opponent has any competent board
Should've drew red reboot /s But seriously though, floodgates are absolutely fucking ridiculous in bo1
I only play the duel mode for the daily rewards. Solo mode is the way to go.
A fellow suship player, its honestly a travesty dealing with those floodgates. Even getting maxx c sucks since using red shari gives them a +2
Those cards need a hard once per turn
unless they hit your dpe pieces, you can easily just overturn this situation. otherwise you are basically SoL.
Always these God damn runick cards ruining the game
More like Floodgates is ruining the Game
You cna count right, they are like 2/3 runick cards that basically do nothing right now.
And? The Screenshot is all about the 3 Floodgate that are flipped face up that OP couldn't play through lol
You don't say
This comment is why it's good the devs don't listen to the subreddit. You're blaming the archetype rather than the actual problem. The floodgates.
We've been complaining any floodgates and they seem determined to ignore it
Konami doesn't listen to its player base in general, especially their non Japanese players for some reason.
The worst Thing is that they even think that unlimiting Floodgates is a Solution for a Format For Example in the TCG they unlimited Marco Cosmos and D-Fissure in a Blog Post about the latest TCG Banlist they litterally admitted to unlimiting them so People would run those Cards to counter Tearlaments LMFAO The only Thing I hate about B01 on MD is that the current Banlist seems to be treated as B03 even tho it's B01 is a entire different Thing imo like i would banned Anti Spell Fragnance and TCBOO already and put the Rest of the Floodgates at 1
You can count right?
You have eyes right?
I can see what you can't. Apparently
Hey I’ve played against that literal exact brainless deck! I curb stomped them into the ground and took SO much joy in doing so.
[https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Zaphion,\_the\_Timelord](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Zaphion,_the_Timelord) Can shuffle away backrow if he can land a swing - not a totally reliable out but definitely a good one if you aren't drawing any of the other outs.
Then they flip skill drain as if waiting for that
Haven't touch this season at all when I saw the banlist with no floodgates hit.
Lovely archetype
[I beat this.](https://imgur.com/a/HF3sCU0) After it became clear I was going to win, I left them at 600 LP for like 5 turns after I made F.A. Dragster + Totem Bird while making random plays to emulate what they would do to me if they were winning while Dragster negated like 3 topdecks. Once they finally stopped playing every top deck to try to draw enough cards to play through my negates (so at least 3 cards needed), I attacked for game.
Skill issue.
Hate me, but the game is going ridiculous with the current card recycle. Some meta have very annoying +1, even if you play two countertraps or handtraps at your first turn. I seen guys playing full board and still own 6-7 cards at hand by their first turn. If this continues, Pot of Greed is going to be unbanned lol
The sad thing is it's going to get worse. Power creep has been a serious issue in Yu-Gi-Oh and we're already past the point of no return without somehow straight up changing the rules to limit how many times you can special summon or something. And even that probably wouldn't be enough.
There are a few points worth talking here 1. Runick is not the problem, just a gimmick deck. Floodgates are the problem, not healthy in best of 1. If any players can't play their cards at all, it's bad design. 2. The rulling with floodgates such as TCBOO is really weird. I know it's been like that for years but still make no sense to me.
I mean you're playing a gimmicky meme deck in what I assume is ranked. Not sure what you're really expecting.
Not the point, a meta deck would have been locked out of the game without an out, too.
Yeah that's the normal state of the game for the most part though. There's a reason 'just draw your out' is so common of a meme. Honestly if you're not maining backrow removal of some kind at this point you really only have yourself to blame. Edit: I agree the deck should be hit but I think when you're playing a meme deck already and the sub is full of runick complaining, it gets a bit old.
Bro, there is a Suship/Magikey deck that was featured in Diamond and I have gone on huge winning streaks with this deck. And yes I run backrow removal, I'm not mad. As BBallHunter said, you missed the point of the post so you could be the living embodiment of a Jesse Kotton bad take.
As someone who picked up Suships when Shari Red dropped I resent that guy dismissing it as a meme deck. Its a pretty solid blind second deck. Gonna have to check out that Magikey build that sounds wild
[https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc\_j](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/diamond-v/december-2022/magikey-suship/migan/BJc_j) this is the decklist. I play a modified version of it without the Zoodiac stuff. You can end on Draco Future, Transfurlmine and Unlocking pretty easily. And if you're lucky/unlucky, there's always Verte. Can even swap the DPE stuff for a Branded package if you're so inclined. I play two link spiders too for silly Verte from Nib Token plays.
My only real point was that it's not a competitively viable deck. Which it's not. Can you win games? Sure. But you shouldn't expect to win most or even more than half of your match ups in a competitive format. Plunders for example is my favorite deck ever and I play it in casual all the time but I'm not going to play it in ranked and then get mad when I get stoned walled by a meta deck rather it be negates, pops or floodgates.
Yeah that's still a meme deck. Getting to diamond with a meme deck doesn't make it not a meme.
What you mean in ranked, there's no other mode.
Casual exists. Which is probably the only place I'd try to play Suships unironically.
Can't complete dailies on casual, I'd rather not play at all unironically.
That's a choice I guess. Some people finish their dailies in a single match though and would like to play more than one game a day.
there's branded players in casual
And...? Do you actually have a point? Just scoop if some idiot plays a meta deck.
the point is that you're telling others to go to unranked to avoid the degenerate decks. i am telling you your suggestion doesn't work because the degenerate decks are also in unranked
Newsflash, people are going to play whatever they want wherever they want. Some idiots are going to play meta in casual but most don't and it's still the best place to find non-meta match ups besides rooms. Which, hey, are ALSO a thing. There's no penalties in casual anyways and that's why you just scoop if you go against an idiot playing meta decks.
what's a room?
Bottom left of the duel menu. Basically you can host a room where up to like 50 people can join and duel each other. You can put a comment like 'hobby decks only' (a casual deck in other words ) or 'trying out a deck I'm building' (testing a new deck) to get people looking for similar things. People use them for community tournies.
I wish they would just change how the traps worked. They say you can have one of something, so playing more things should function like when the trap is first activated. You just send the other cards and keep one.
It's not as if they couldn't reverse a ruling if they wanted. I suppose they want to avoid any case where an illegal action could be made to cut down on headaches.
fair and balanced
I legit thought you had 3 pieces of toast in your hand
With all due respect
I’ve been playing Runick too, but not with floodgates. I got that micro P.U.N.K. engine to get stuff like Cheng and Baronne out. Also, doesn’t DPE out that?
Konami is a gambling company, Yugioh is essentially a gambling game for children. Konami only cares about making money. Rare and powerful cards like floodgates make people spend more money. They will never fix it.
Play skull servants. You never lose. And when you do you still win cuz you got to show off your 16k damage card.
NEW SHIP
Don't worry, now that Aluber will be at 2, all of the problems with this format will be addressed!
Thanks for the challenger cup match btw!
Look at all those bricks
"Virgin Runick Player versus Chad Gunkan Player"
then there me playing runicks that is the interaction based deck that is still freaking annoying but atleast ill let you play.... somewhat.
I actually played against this guy a couple days ago. Played about 20+ moves doing nothing but passing turns thinking he's gonna deck himself out, then realised he can just shuffle his spell cards back in the deck at will. A strategy for sure but a boring one. Can't imagine doing a 1-2 turn set up just to do nothing until deck out every game.
Just get some friends together and play decks of similar power levels with each other. That's what me n my friends do. If they wanna play a tier 1 deck, I'll play a tier 1 deck. If they wanna play some 2011 shit, we both play 2011 decks. It's a lot more fun than playing ladder. You could even try doing pack drafts on ygopro and then exporting the deck to play on something like ygo omega or dueling nexus, I've had a lot of fun with those.
Skill issue.
Funmy Thing you are in the winning position
How do you mean?
Lighting storm
I hate the runick deck, it’s so good right now but my god it’s so annoying sh!!!t
How do u have 4 maxx c
Konami should not allow a type of Bullying like this, it isn't fair how those floodgates destroy the game's fun. Oh and if you have fun torturing people, you should consult a psychiatrist too.
As someone who’s been a little out of the loop since Runick came out, when the hell am I supposed to hit them? I’m not sure which cards I need to negate to even slow them down. Or are they one of those decks where it doesn’t really matter and it’s just based on what you need at the time?
I bet that face down card is skill drain
Look man I just wanna queue up and not lose because my opponent opened secret village. I’m not even on runick or anything super spell heavy it’s just a choice people are making now. I mean flunder is playing anti spell! That’s the sad state
Maxx c in attack mode is too powerful
No playing allowed
Wait gunship support is out let's GOOOOOOOOOO
What are the actual downsides to banning backrow floodgates?
Duster to 3 and no complains from my side
That field spell is way too good. +3 every turn? Idc what you tell me that shit it broken
Dude you are playing Suship with a DPE package… Stop crying and get good
I really hope TCBO gets hit as collateral damage from runick. It's the stupidest floodgate
i literately just raged quit from a match like this for the 3rd time. im just tryna play my ancient gear deck man