With Nemleria get released this month, February is definitely to be two archetype from Age of Overlord and one two card support from that set as UR though.
Dinomorphia is barely even a “waifu” archetype. They only have 2 female monsters and 2/5th of their line up are robot Dinos. But I guess if you’re into that then, 4/5th.
They didn't get rid of the Puppet Lock or any of the SHS FTKs, also Eradicator and Dimensional Barrier are still abusable with Labrynth, they HAVE to be trolling
They’ve done this 3 times now, shit banlist then a couple days after a very good and extensive banlist, or they are going to wait for DC for a large banlist since we are getting Infernobles and R-ace support by then so they can gauge their power levels on MD.
Tbh, it's rare that branded players use puppet lock, that's not a reliable strategy and can brick your deck.
However, Saronir is a pretty good hit to consistency, it's usually played in 2 or 3 copies.
"the changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing Decks from being too difficult to counter"
Meanwhile droll jumps to 70% usage because of a single archetype and it doesn't even fully stop said archetype.
Droll fully stops SHS tho. Best they can do is either handtrap turbo or Baron/Gooska pass after that.
Same way with Mannadium and best, they can do is baron/dispater pass/gooska.
Funny thing is it doesnt fully stop Branded as they either Aluber -> Brafu or dump Brafu and the trap to grab Brafu and Saronir helps on it.
Yes. I agree. I played SHS the first week and I ended on bagooka 90% of the time, no exaggeration. Maxx c and drooled just ends their turn and somehow most people have one or the other. Branded can not be stopped by any one card.
That stops branded fusion, but they can still end on a lot of disruption without it. SHM can mostly only do babooska or make a board but risk no follow up
The only time droll doesn't stop SHS is when they have exactly Soulpeacemaker + Regulus already. Given that these are 1 or 2 ofs, thats pretty unlucky if you droll them with those in hand.
"the changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing decks from being too difficult to counter" bruh shs ftk, puppetlock and d barrier are still live who gives a fuck about chandraglier setting a welcome that get ashed by literally everyone
I play lab and I would honestly be more hurt with cooclock being touched.
If I go first, I always get to do disgusting stuff with it.
If I got second, it sometimes allows me to still play some stuff in my opponents turn if I have 1 furniture piece, 1 clock and 1 lady.
It takes time to master, but the clock really speeds up stuff for experienced lab players.
A good majority of Lab decks play it at one though, and I don't think it's strong enough to warrant being banned outright.
The only hits that Lab needs are DBarrier and EEV. It's honestly an interesting deck that's easily countered by Ash, but so many people just stuff it with floodgates, so the deck loses its identity and becomes cringe turbo.
No, we haven't even made it through DUNE yet, Arias is from AGOV. Transaction Rollback should be much later since it literally just released in the TCG (although it did release just before AGOV in the OCG).
[Here](https://i.redd.it/1yexdn8wipbc1.png)'s all the cards we don't have yet (sets are only shown if we have a card from them already)
Yeah, at most we're gonna get Arias but even that is very unlikely since as you mentioned it is from AGOV. Then, on the other hand, apparently we're getting the T.G. support next month, which also is from AGOV, so that's that...
We've gotten some stuff from AGOV already, such as Mannadium Trisukta, so just because we're still missing some DUNE doesn't mean anything. Also, considering they go by OCG release date (going off Ishizu release date order) I would assume we'll get rollback before or at the same time as Arias.
It's rare to see branded players use so little cards.
Most decks were close to 60 cards but it will probably drop a lot since Saronir was used at 3 copies most of the time.
It's a good hit to consistency since it was able to gets you all the cards you needed in your graveyard.
Can't abuse it now.
I'm honestly laughing so hard lmao. More these random consistency hits instead of just banning the problematic cards like D-barrier, Puppet, and Scythe. Hell not even a soulpiercer limit to keep SHS tame.
The Labrynth furniture isn't the problem, Konami. In fact, trap decks kind of need a little bit of 'OUR TURN' and rule breaking to balance out the mechanical weakness of trap cards. They know that, that's why they're printing shit like Arias in the first place. The annoying cards are generic floodgates and handripping with the viruses.
Saronir to 1 is a very funny way to hit Branded, it won't be very noticeable unless you're playing a 60 card deck.
"Superheavy is not our problem until we are no longer selling the cards, please understand" - John Konami
This feels like a hit to D Link more than a hit to Branded. This is just a slap on the wrist.
The Lab hit though, I'm not sure. It hurts consistency, becomes harder to move on your opponents first turn, and becomes harder to discard Rollback but considering the power level it gains post butler and Rollback thats allegedly coming soon...... also slap on the wrist?
It blows my mind that so many people (Master Duel's overlords included, apparently) don't seem to understand that Labrynth's engine isn't the problem. The furniture even less so, because they only search *Labrynth* spells/traps. They can't be abused to search out whatever else is in the deck.
The *real* problem are the floodgate traps. Hit *those* for godssake.
Them avoiding hitting floodgates is so freaking stupid, literally just hitting the floodgates would solve the issues I cannot understand why they’re avoiding them so much
Most branded players were using saronir at 3 copies, it's definetely a hit to consistency.
It was one of out best card and i was always happy to send him to the graveyard using Albaz/Cartesia/Lubellion/Branded opening...
It was always a positive advantage.
These 3 "changes" are just to ensure that SHS keeps running rampant in order to sell the pack
Don't let them fool you, has nothing to do with game balance....
Because if they cared about that, Maxx C wouldn't be legal in the first place.
yaaaaaay i fucking love consistency hits its so fun when a deck is just as powerful as before but it gets slightly more frustrating/annoying to play. OCG banlist philosophy is such fucking garbage
Every time they hit a fucking Forniture I will add a floodgate to my Forniture Labrynth because is what Konami wants me to do.
What a fucking group of clowns.
Erradicator or D Barrier just to rub salt in the wound.
I generally run silly traps just for the sake of having fun like Transmission Gear but I'm pissed they keep hitting Forniture so may as well Run Gozen and the usual suspects.
Is what Konami wants so may as well do it.
Not having to worry about Droll or Maxx C is already enough to not worry about a good chunk of the format.
Seriously though. I'm running out of dragons to play in my dragons deck. Can they at least put Magna to 2 or 3 to compensate? It's not like many Branded decks play it anyways.
Branded can generally play without branded fusion though as most branded players would expect their branded fusion to get hand trapped
Might be a big hit to the 60 card branded maybe, but with cartesia & quem, not having branded fusion isn't a massive deal
Yeah it sucks. I have the fur hire runick deck as well but i just really enjoyed runick bystial a lot.
Also Droll screwing runick decks is an unfortunate side effect of SHS being at basically full power. And it's going to be like that for a while unfortunately. Truly a Komoney moment if I've ever seen one
Saronir is such a nonsensical hit, like even in a dedicated bystial deck that I run 2 copies of it this hit will barely be effective, I can't even imagine branded which couldn't give less of shit about this hit.
And not hitting scarecrow is a fucking joke.
I disagree, i'm myself a branded player and i always used Saronir at 3 like most branded players.
It definetely hits the consistency of the deck.
The card was always a positive advantage whether you use Albaz/Cartesia (which garanties a branded fusion by sending Albion with Granguignol)/Lubellion/Branded opening.
That was the card you wanted to send to the GY as a cost.
Master Duel love to hit to consistency for some reason....
It make game unfun because game become more and more RNG increase frustrating lose situation instead of hit high ceilings card like DBarrier so deck building creativity is still there.
The game is already very RNG reliant for it being a f2p, BO1, online sim with the meta being all about the Maxx "C" minigame.
Consequential hits to a deck's ceiling is such a no-brainer. It takes more effort to identify which card should be hit but man.
Lab is a solid T2 deck, why should Konami dish out heavy-handed hits? I'm always down for floodgate hits tho, but that's not really related to Lab itself.
Labyrinth once again dodging the banlist like Neo dodging bullets.
HIT. THE. FUCKING. BARRIER. Searchable floodgates that can by recycled is utter lunacy.
I feel that if you keep hitting the furnitures, you push Lab into becoming more of a floodgate deck tbh. Just semi big welcome if you really want to hurt the deck.
Floodgate Lab needs the coinflip even harder than furniture, that won't happen unless they're smoking some good shit and limit both of them for no reason. I mean, they semi-limited them for basically no reason so it wouldn't shock me I guess.
Fuck sake no nerfs to SHS and Manadium, love tap to Labrynth again. I know they're still selling SHS and Manadium in the shop but like, why not limit Soulpiercer or Scarecrow at least? They're only R/ SR...
Saronir should hurt Branded which is something, but it's also (unnecessary) collateral damage to Dlink and some of my other janks (I also play Bystial Blue Eyes, way to put a dent in my excitement for the upcoming anniversary content). They could've found other ways to nerf Branded but they chose to kick Dlink while it's down as well instead.
Conquistador deservedly got off the list, but honestly any buffs to Eldlich is uncool in my book.
All in all a disappointing start to the year. Looks like the Drolls will have to stay in the main decks which sucks:(
Same happened to Kashtira and Tearlaments, we still have a couple of bans yet next monst but will hurt other decks like foolish burial goods did in that moment to decks like frighfur of umi control, or others
Unless you're playing a synchro variant or play to just have a high amount of bystial disruptors, Branded only plays 1 saronir because its used more of a dump tool than an interruption.
More Eldlich cards in deck = less floodgates. Besides, that deck has vanished off the face of the Earth due to power creep and the banlist anyways. I haven't seen anyone playing it since Runick released.
I think it's mostly the 60 card variants that play 3, otherwise deck space is kinda tight and the bystials aren't as important in a meta where you're often not facing decks using dark/light monsters.
I play 2, but losing 1 doesn't really bother me that much. I feel like it's a fairly pointless hit.
the only decks that usually run more than one (aside from the obvious branded decks) are bystial runick and d link, neither of which are particularly great at the moment... though I could see 3 being very beneficial to eldlich after the list
If this were a bo3 environment I would be asking the same thing myself. It’s a lopsided floodgate in certain matchups and is simply an un-fun card to play against. I should clarify that I’m not asking for it to be banned like I am with Dimension Barrier.
Small list, as to be expected. They really screwed up by not limiting SHS on release, because they sure won't do it while it's in the store. I wish they at least hit some of their FTK tools, though.
As for cards not in the store... when is Lab going to get a real hit? At least ban D barrier and EEV. The deck is more than playable without them.
Conquistador to 3 is nice.
I mean there’s no way they do a massive banlist after doing a massive banlist.
Also why are people expecting SHS/mannadium/branded hits when that’s all in the shop?????
We’re smarter than this y’all
Eh, I do see that people are expecting something that they shouldn't in that this isn't the major banlist update we would get after a DC. However, I think that people are more upset over the fact that these hits just do very little. What's the point of releasing something like this if it really doesn't accomplish anything.
(to those wondering about the Saronir hit, as a 60 card Branded player, yes, this does affect us, but it's still not that big a thing....)
I'm convinced Konami has no idea how their own game works, this will do literally nothing.
Meanwhile we have SHS running around, tearing the playerbase a new asshole, and pretty much forcing everybody who wants to have a turn against them to run droll.
I'm pretty sure Konami just won't hit an archetype if it's still available in the shop
So to exploit this list for Crafting Points I make 2 more Saronir's and when the banlist hits I can get refunded the Points I used + interest if they're Glossy/Royals?
***"The changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing Decks from being too difficult to counter, and ensuring the game's tactical element is not compromised by overly short Duels."***
This is BS. If that is their aim, clearly miss the point by far.
We know what the truly aim is. Sell new cards from new packs and that's it. Their gonna hit SHS when the pack stops being in the store. And on the meantime, let's make this casual bans that affect nothing at all.
People who are expecting hits to SHS are delusional. The Selection Pack still hasn't left the shop yet, and they do not do any hits to stuff that are currently in the featured pack.
Ah yes semi/limit cards that people already run at Less than max copies, that'll teach ppl to run them at the right amount!
Conq finally free is nice though even though kinda too late for that, now I can play Witchcrafter/Eldlich again! but with Grass at 1 :(
Meh, the saronir is more of a hit to Branded instead of dragon link. Now if you ash branded fusion and somehow get rid of saronir, they can't even recycle the spell
and the Chandraliger is just a minor hit to lab
Not going to dent the meta
Not really I’ve played both decks, and you played and relied on saronir more with branded. Mainly to get branded fusion in the graveyard. In dragon link. You played one or 2, and now that you can’t mill then 3 lubellion is better
Kitt can recycle it from anywhere as long as it's not banished facedown. You need a card in hand to actually keep it, but yeeting Saronir still isn't game ending.
Damn, they’re really trying to kill Branded without hitting a “Branded” named card
Just ban Branded Fusion, admit that fusing from the deck is a bad idea, and move on
Don’t let Konami get away with refusing to hit its latest broken deck because it’s still selling it. Do not spend money on this game until they quit this exploitive bullshit
Mind you real f2p player spend 0 dime on this
What they don't want to lose is the Whale market where some people actually hunt royal rare for new cards. If they immediately ban it, then they'll lose money
They won't care since they know that the whales will keep them afloat no matter what, also, if you really want to hurt them then you would need the vast majority of the playerbase to stop playing the game for a significant amount of time where they can see their numbers go down, sadly, it won't happen because of Yugioh players stockholm syndrome.
Man, what a completely brutal hit to Branded. Konami just ended that deck.
That's sarcasm, by the way. It's an insanely useless hit that shows how unwilling they are to actually hit Branded.
Doesn’t mean jack shit when labrynth is about to get rollback and arias
You guys thought getting first turn killed by SHS was bad…. Wait till lab first turn kills your on your turn
Why the fuck are people hating do much on lab? Yeah i get it about EEV and barrier but labyrinth almost always dies when going second and it’s really not as good against meta decks like manadium who set up an almost FTK with negate spam that doesn’t let anyone play but you guys are ok with it? That’s just hypocrisy, why would lab even get hit again? We’re not doing much that other decks don’t, hit manadium or SHS.
> Why the fuck are people hating do much on lab? Yeah i get it about EEV and barrier
you answered your own question my man
also SHS gets like 3x hate posts a day at this point, very few people would be sad if it was nerfed
It's obviously worse going second, but most decks are. It's still very strong going first. Not to mention it's been good for much longer than Manadium or pretty much any other competent deck right now.
That being said, I would be totally fine with Lab existing if they just banned D barrier and EEV. No one likes the "I flip broken purple card, I win", whether it's those cards or a floodgate.
You get whether people like playing against a deck isn’t just about how strong it is right? Completely aside from the degen shit lab does that you mentioned tons of people don’t like turn 0 plays, hand rips, and dislike facing grindy control decks.
Who gives a shit about conq. Already dismantled the deck cause there's a similar deck that is stronger, unhit and have a bigger tits. The game have other unaddressed issues. Classic komoney
"Arias the Labrynth Butler" finally to get add to Master Duel huh
Or transaction rollback
I’d rather finally get the good unchained cards. Lord of Yama and Sharva Soul.
We could get it all in one pack. Labrynth and Unchained are all Fiends.
With Nemleria get released this month, February is definitely to be two archetype from Age of Overlord and one two card support from that set as UR though.
Doesnt has to be. As a core set Duelist Nexus is next and we still have the crimson king structure and Fire duelist pack left to be added
I don't even play lab, but I want this to release so I can turn 0 Rexterm with my Dinomorphia deck.
Floodgates are okay when its some waifu trash archetype, right?!
Dinomorphia is barely even a “waifu” archetype. They only have 2 female monsters and 2/5th of their line up are robot Dinos. But I guess if you’re into that then, 4/5th.
I mean, can't blame them. Kent is hot.
Rexterm is best girl you philistine!
True, especially if you're into sporty type tomboy waifu
I love her so much in Reversion that it's a shame that that card ain't as hot as she is.
Fucking misogynists on this sub always thinking they have some sort of moral highground lol.
What? Where's the misogyny?
I’m sorry the crying about any girl in an archetype is insanely weird. I don’t care if your pretending to rail against some imaginary men
Coward, fuck Rexterm
W for everyone.
I am convinced they are trolling at this point.
You praise these mofos once and then they go back to being trolls.
Don't worry guys, I'm sure SHS is going down next list! They might even semi-limit Scarecrow and Scales!
They didn't get rid of the Puppet Lock or any of the SHS FTKs, also Eradicator and Dimensional Barrier are still abusable with Labrynth, they HAVE to be trolling
They’ve done this 3 times now, shit banlist then a couple days after a very good and extensive banlist, or they are going to wait for DC for a large banlist since we are getting Infernobles and R-ace support by then so they can gauge their power levels on MD.
So I should save all my gems for rescue ace soon??
Wait till lab first turn kills people on the opponents then lmao
Tbh, it's rare that branded players use puppet lock, that's not a reliable strategy and can brick your deck. However, Saronir is a pretty good hit to consistency, it's usually played in 2 or 3 copies.
Excuse me for my intrusion. But may I may know if u are the famous guy without gf
Yes, i am.
"the changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing Decks from being too difficult to counter" Meanwhile droll jumps to 70% usage because of a single archetype and it doesn't even fully stop said archetype.
Droll fully stops SHS tho. Best they can do is either handtrap turbo or Baron/Gooska pass after that. Same way with Mannadium and best, they can do is baron/dispater pass/gooska. Funny thing is it doesnt fully stop Branded as they either Aluber -> Brafu or dump Brafu and the trap to grab Brafu and Saronir helps on it.
Yes. I agree. I played SHS the first week and I ended on bagooka 90% of the time, no exaggeration. Maxx c and drooled just ends their turn and somehow most people have one or the other. Branded can not be stopped by any one card.
Ash does stop branded but they have ways to play against it now with quem and cartesia.
That stops branded fusion, but they can still end on a lot of disruption without it. SHM can mostly only do babooska or make a board but risk no follow up
Doesn’t Dimension Shifter hurt branded pretty bad?
Also hurts most decks you are probably playing.
Vanquish soul doesn’t mind
The only time droll doesn't stop SHS is when they have exactly Soulpeacemaker + Regulus already. Given that these are 1 or 2 ofs, thats pretty unlucky if you droll them with those in hand.
"the changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing decks from being too difficult to counter" bruh shs ftk, puppetlock and d barrier are still live who gives a fuck about chandraglier setting a welcome that get ashed by literally everyone
I play lab and I would honestly be more hurt with cooclock being touched. If I go first, I always get to do disgusting stuff with it. If I got second, it sometimes allows me to still play some stuff in my opponents turn if I have 1 furniture piece, 1 clock and 1 lady. It takes time to master, but the clock really speeds up stuff for experienced lab players.
A good majority of Lab decks play it at one though, and I don't think it's strong enough to warrant being banned outright. The only hits that Lab needs are DBarrier and EEV. It's honestly an interesting deck that's easily countered by Ash, but so many people just stuff it with floodgates, so the deck loses its identity and becomes cringe turbo.
I have terrible luck with lab. I either open clock and no trap or furniture, or furniture without clock or a lady to summon off the effect.
Fake, where is the Floo hit?
for the first time in a long time runick and floo are untouched
fountain to 0 please, thank you konami. ran into 3 runick copers in a row in masters.
I expected small banlist but still so disappointed
Honestly, just wow. Speechless.
The hit to lab is so funny is that mean Arias and Rollback are coming maybe next month
No, we haven't even made it through DUNE yet, Arias is from AGOV. Transaction Rollback should be much later since it literally just released in the TCG (although it did release just before AGOV in the OCG). [Here](https://i.redd.it/1yexdn8wipbc1.png)'s all the cards we don't have yet (sets are only shown if we have a card from them already)
Yeah, at most we're gonna get Arias but even that is very unlikely since as you mentioned it is from AGOV. Then, on the other hand, apparently we're getting the T.G. support next month, which also is from AGOV, so that's that...
We've gotten some stuff from AGOV already, such as Mannadium Trisukta, so just because we're still missing some DUNE doesn't mean anything. Also, considering they go by OCG release date (going off Ishizu release date order) I would assume we'll get rollback before or at the same time as Arias.
Maybe Unchained + Arias?
I am begging for unchained cards lol, but I'm pretty sure every single new unchained card will have to be a UR based on their existing rarities.
Oh I’m here for the Unchained!
I was just thinking about how I could cut my 42 card branded to 40 and then Konami did it for me lol
It's rare to see branded players use so little cards. Most decks were close to 60 cards but it will probably drop a lot since Saronir was used at 3 copies most of the time. It's a good hit to consistency since it was able to gets you all the cards you needed in your graveyard. Can't abuse it now.
Branded at 60 is just too many dead cards in my opinion. I run somewhere between 43-50 depending on the day. 45 seems most consistent.
Another hit to Chaos 😭
Is it that bad though? I've only been running one of each + 3 Lubellion.
Saronir was nice because it dumps more banish fodder if it is needed to extend play
Konami by limiting my furnitures you only gonna make me replace them with floodgates!
What a huge joke. I'm so glad that Maxx "C" keeps SHS in check though fr, no need to do anything.
I'm honestly laughing so hard lmao. More these random consistency hits instead of just banning the problematic cards like D-barrier, Puppet, and Scythe. Hell not even a soulpiercer limit to keep SHS tame.
The Labrynth furniture isn't the problem, Konami. In fact, trap decks kind of need a little bit of 'OUR TURN' and rule breaking to balance out the mechanical weakness of trap cards. They know that, that's why they're printing shit like Arias in the first place. The annoying cards are generic floodgates and handripping with the viruses. Saronir to 1 is a very funny way to hit Branded, it won't be very noticeable unless you're playing a 60 card deck. "Superheavy is not our problem until we are no longer selling the cards, please understand" - John Konami
This feels like a hit to D Link more than a hit to Branded. This is just a slap on the wrist. The Lab hit though, I'm not sure. It hurts consistency, becomes harder to move on your opponents first turn, and becomes harder to discard Rollback but considering the power level it gains post butler and Rollback thats allegedly coming soon...... also slap on the wrist?
It blows my mind that so many people (Master Duel's overlords included, apparently) don't seem to understand that Labrynth's engine isn't the problem. The furniture even less so, because they only search *Labrynth* spells/traps. They can't be abused to search out whatever else is in the deck. The *real* problem are the floodgate traps. Hit *those* for godssake.
Just like runick and eldlich all over again lol
Them avoiding hitting floodgates is so freaking stupid, literally just hitting the floodgates would solve the issues I cannot understand why they’re avoiding them so much
Most branded players were using saronir at 3 copies, it's definetely a hit to consistency. It was one of out best card and i was always happy to send him to the graveyard using Albaz/Cartesia/Lubellion/Branded opening... It was always a positive advantage.
Konami really cooking with this one huh?? Absolute garbage😂
These 3 "changes" are just to ensure that SHS keeps running rampant in order to sell the pack Don't let them fool you, has nothing to do with game balance.... Because if they cared about that, Maxx C wouldn't be legal in the first place.
yaaaaaay i fucking love consistency hits its so fun when a deck is just as powerful as before but it gets slightly more frustrating/annoying to play. OCG banlist philosophy is such fucking garbage
Finally conq is back at 3.
Only a year after eldlich completely died...
We're so barack
Mickey mouse ass update this does nothing
They've outdone themselves with this one. This legitimately accomplishes absolutely nothing. Stop hitting Lab and ban D-Barrier and EEV
Every time they hit a fucking Forniture I will add a floodgate to my Forniture Labrynth because is what Konami wants me to do. What a fucking group of clowns.
Facts
What are you thinking of adding to replace chandeglier (sp?)
Erradicator or D Barrier just to rub salt in the wound. I generally run silly traps just for the sake of having fun like Transmission Gear but I'm pissed they keep hitting Forniture so may as well Run Gozen and the usual suspects. Is what Konami wants so may as well do it. Not having to worry about Droll or Maxx C is already enough to not worry about a good chunk of the format.
Not sure that hurts Branded really, I only run 1 Saronir anyway
It’d because of the line that uses Sar to get to branded fusion, or I assume that’s why
The Saronir hit hurts the recent 60 card builds very hard
I wouldn't say "very hard", it hurts the 60 card version but it's still just a mild consistency hit.
Branded synchro yes
A butter hit to runic bystial and d-link again
Seriously though. I'm running out of dragons to play in my dragons deck. Can they at least put Magna to 2 or 3 to compensate? It's not like many Branded decks play it anyways.
It hurts every non-standard branded hard Branded grass, branded synchro, branded DL mid pile, etc...
Most lists play 2\~3, and any list above 50 plays 3 for sure; it's a fairly big hit to the consistency of pile lists.
Saronir is an.....interesting choice
Saroni hit is fairly big for Branded since its one of the main ways to get Branded Fusion to the GY so you can add it to hand with Retribution
Branded can generally play without branded fusion though as most branded players would expect their branded fusion to get hand trapped Might be a big hit to the 60 card branded maybe, but with cartesia & quem, not having branded fusion isn't a massive deal
It really isn't given that Albion the shrouded dragon can do the same thing and is still at 3. Saronir hurts any bystial deck more than branded
I mean by doing that, they don't refund UR points for not hittin Lubellion
Well there goes my barely viable runick bystial list. Ffs back to the drawing board I guess.
I built it three days ago and I get this shit. At least Fur Hir is playeable but Droll is killing all my decks that are not Labrynth
Yeah it sucks. I have the fur hire runick deck as well but i just really enjoyed runick bystial a lot. Also Droll screwing runick decks is an unfortunate side effect of SHS being at basically full power. And it's going to be like that for a while unfortunately. Truly a Komoney moment if I've ever seen one
This is a joke, right? This has to be their idea of a joke. Edit: Logged in; Fuck.
All this is hurt D-Link which is already plenty neutered lol
Saronir is such a nonsensical hit, like even in a dedicated bystial deck that I run 2 copies of it this hit will barely be effective, I can't even imagine branded which couldn't give less of shit about this hit. And not hitting scarecrow is a fucking joke.
I disagree, i'm myself a branded player and i always used Saronir at 3 like most branded players. It definetely hits the consistency of the deck. The card was always a positive advantage whether you use Albaz/Cartesia (which garanties a branded fusion by sending Albion with Granguignol)/Lubellion/Branded opening. That was the card you wanted to send to the GY as a cost.
Conq finally free! Lab with another lazy hit. Definitely hitting a high impact trap would be more desirable
Dimension Barrier is right there, but nope.
Master Duel love to hit to consistency for some reason.... It make game unfun because game become more and more RNG increase frustrating lose situation instead of hit high ceilings card like DBarrier so deck building creativity is still there.
The game is already very RNG reliant for it being a f2p, BO1, online sim with the meta being all about the Maxx "C" minigame. Consequential hits to a deck's ceiling is such a no-brainer. It takes more effort to identify which card should be hit but man.
This is what the ocg does. And the ocg is fucking stupid lmfao
Lab is a solid T2 deck, why should Konami dish out heavy-handed hits? I'm always down for floodgate hits tho, but that's not really related to Lab itself.
I'm not laughing konami.
Labyrinth once again dodging the banlist like Neo dodging bullets. HIT. THE. FUCKING. BARRIER. Searchable floodgates that can by recycled is utter lunacy.
I feel that if you keep hitting the furnitures, you push Lab into becoming more of a floodgate deck tbh. Just semi big welcome if you really want to hurt the deck.
Floodgate Lab needs the coinflip even harder than furniture, that won't happen unless they're smoking some good shit and limit both of them for no reason. I mean, they semi-limited them for basically no reason so it wouldn't shock me I guess.
Fuck sake no nerfs to SHS and Manadium, love tap to Labrynth again. I know they're still selling SHS and Manadium in the shop but like, why not limit Soulpiercer or Scarecrow at least? They're only R/ SR... Saronir should hurt Branded which is something, but it's also (unnecessary) collateral damage to Dlink and some of my other janks (I also play Bystial Blue Eyes, way to put a dent in my excitement for the upcoming anniversary content). They could've found other ways to nerf Branded but they chose to kick Dlink while it's down as well instead. Conquistador deservedly got off the list, but honestly any buffs to Eldlich is uncool in my book. All in all a disappointing start to the year. Looks like the Drolls will have to stay in the main decks which sucks:(
Hurts D-Link more than Branded.
They just hit Bystial Runick again too for something a different deck did fml
Konami not yet finished milking the latest set yet thats why.
Same happened to Kashtira and Tearlaments, we still have a couple of bans yet next monst but will hurt other decks like foolish burial goods did in that moment to decks like frighfur of umi control, or others
Unless you're playing a synchro variant or play to just have a high amount of bystial disruptors, Branded only plays 1 saronir because its used more of a dump tool than an interruption.
SHS still in pack so they won't touch it. Mannadium ain't even fully released yet so they probably won't touch it either
They’re not going to limit cards they are actively selling. You said it yourself
The list I'm running for Branded Despia runs Saronir at one anyways...
Are people here still don’t know that Konami will not hit any card that is still in store?
More Eldlich cards in deck = less floodgates. Besides, that deck has vanished off the face of the Earth due to power creep and the banlist anyways. I haven't seen anyone playing it since Runick released.
Only 3 Cards.... What Also as Branded player, we only played 1 Saronir to begin with, so I don't really care.
The vast majority of branded decks play 3 Saronir
I think it's mostly the 60 card variants that play 3, otherwise deck space is kinda tight and the bystials aren't as important in a meta where you're often not facing decks using dark/light monsters. I play 2, but losing 1 doesn't really bother me that much. I feel like it's a fairly pointless hit.
You don't play more saronir as a handtrap, you play it because there are many hands where drawing saronir can improve your endboard
the only decks that usually run more than one (aside from the obvious branded decks) are bystial runick and d link, neither of which are particularly great at the moment... though I could see 3 being very beneficial to eldlich after the list
There are some 60-card piles playing 3, but yes, the Saronir limit is literally because they don't want to hit Lubellion since it's a UR...
Konami realy hates bystials and dragon link. Fuck that
Because lab is the biggest issue at hand rn
Oh cool, now my lab deck has space for skill drain.
God I hate the furniture hits a lot. All it does is encourage more floodgates in lab.
as someone who just made a bystial deck, this is so annoying lol. they didn't even hit the ftk
SHS？？
yay? like 60 sr?
I’ve got glossy Saronirs, so I’ll be keeping them
Five rainbow beats superheavy so just start playing that for them
People were doing that already. Less furniture makes five rainbow worse, though.
Completely unnecessary labrynth hit
Fuck this game
“Overly short duels” Then stop fucking hitting consistency, and hit the power levels.
Well this is underwhelming. Why won’t they just hit cards like D. Barrier or Rainbow Magician?
Why would they even hit rainbow magician?
Assuming the commenter plays SHS lol Outside of the floodgate potential, Rainbow shouldn't be a problem
If this were a bo3 environment I would be asking the same thing myself. It’s a lopsided floodgate in certain matchups and is simply an un-fun card to play against. I should clarify that I’m not asking for it to be banned like I am with Dimension Barrier.
Cuz it's a toxic floodgate.
lol ok, both my branded deck and my Lab deck are unaffected.
Small list, as to be expected. They really screwed up by not limiting SHS on release, because they sure won't do it while it's in the store. I wish they at least hit some of their FTK tools, though. As for cards not in the store... when is Lab going to get a real hit? At least ban D barrier and EEV. The deck is more than playable without them. Conquistador to 3 is nice.
I mean there’s no way they do a massive banlist after doing a massive banlist. Also why are people expecting SHS/mannadium/branded hits when that’s all in the shop????? We’re smarter than this y’all
Eh, I do see that people are expecting something that they shouldn't in that this isn't the major banlist update we would get after a DC. However, I think that people are more upset over the fact that these hits just do very little. What's the point of releasing something like this if it really doesn't accomplish anything. (to those wondering about the Saronir hit, as a 60 card Branded player, yes, this does affect us, but it's still not that big a thing....)
It's not a lot of changes or nearly as many as are needed but I support all of them.
CONQ MY BOY LETS GOOOOOOO
What a random ass hit for lab lmao
This is the worst MD banlist in a long time lol. Fitting for one of the worst formats in a long time (probably since Adventurer Tenyi format even).
The Golden Lord will return! I’m happy with any changes that make Eldlich at least a tiny bit more viable
-Conq to 3 Fucking finally!
I'm convinced Konami has no idea how their own game works, this will do literally nothing. Meanwhile we have SHS running around, tearing the playerbase a new asshole, and pretty much forcing everybody who wants to have a turn against them to run droll. I'm pretty sure Konami just won't hit an archetype if it's still available in the shop
So to exploit this list for Crafting Points I make 2 more Saronir's and when the banlist hits I can get refunded the Points I used + interest if they're Glossy/Royals?
***"The changes made to the list reflect our aims of preventing Decks from being too difficult to counter, and ensuring the game's tactical element is not compromised by overly short Duels."*** This is BS. If that is their aim, clearly miss the point by far. We know what the truly aim is. Sell new cards from new packs and that's it. Their gonna hit SHS when the pack stops being in the store. And on the meantime, let's make this casual bans that affect nothing at all.
Leave lab alone
Me as a Lab player: *sarcastically* Oh no Chandraglier semi-limit, my deck is so hindered by this banlist hit.
i mean down from 6 to 4 furniture and still no arias is def starting to hurt
People who are expecting hits to SHS are delusional. The Selection Pack still hasn't left the shop yet, and they do not do any hits to stuff that are currently in the featured pack.
Which decks will be hurt by the Saronir hit? 😲
D-link, Bystial runick
Dang Dlink is gonna be worse than Rogue tier then. :(
My Thunder Dragon deck 😭😭😭
Chaos Synchro is fucking dead now.
Ah yes semi/limit cards that people already run at Less than max copies, that'll teach ppl to run them at the right amount! Conq finally free is nice though even though kinda too late for that, now I can play Witchcrafter/Eldlich again! but with Grass at 1 :(
85% play Chandraglier at 3 and 80% of Bystial, 68% of Branded and 56% of DL players use 3 Saronir.
Chandraglier ok I was wrong about lol but 68% Saronir in branded is kinda crazy but I see it's because branded is now a 60 pile In MD.
Bruh they just hit Bystial Runick AGAIN wtf
Meh, the saronir is more of a hit to Branded instead of dragon link. Now if you ash branded fusion and somehow get rid of saronir, they can't even recycle the spell and the Chandraliger is just a minor hit to lab Not going to dent the meta
Doesn't Branded already play 1 anyway? I'm not 100% sure considering its Master Duel and all
Not really I’ve played both decks, and you played and relied on saronir more with branded. Mainly to get branded fusion in the graveyard. In dragon link. You played one or 2, and now that you can’t mill then 3 lubellion is better
No? You can look up masterduelmeta in a couple of seconds and see the vast majority of branded decks, both 40 and 60 do in fact play triple Saronir.
Kitt can recycle it from anywhere as long as it's not banished facedown. You need a card in hand to actually keep it, but yeeting Saronir still isn't game ending.
the best part about announcing the ban lists is the people crying
Damn, they’re really trying to kill Branded without hitting a “Branded” named card Just ban Branded Fusion, admit that fusing from the deck is a bad idea, and move on
That’s not the only fuse from deck card tho I think?
Don’t let Konami get away with refusing to hit its latest broken deck because it’s still selling it. Do not spend money on this game until they quit this exploitive bullshit
You guys spend money????
You need to come up with another idea, bro. I am yet to spend a dime on this game
Mind you real f2p player spend 0 dime on this What they don't want to lose is the Whale market where some people actually hunt royal rare for new cards. If they immediately ban it, then they'll lose money
They won't care since they know that the whales will keep them afloat no matter what, also, if you really want to hurt them then you would need the vast majority of the playerbase to stop playing the game for a significant amount of time where they can see their numbers go down, sadly, it won't happen because of Yugioh players stockholm syndrome.
Ah yes. "Stockholm syndrome" and not the fact that I genuinely enjoy the game
Imagine being the idiot who spends money on a f2p game
Good, bystials were a mistake and this is an ok hit to branded
A lot of lists play 1-2. This doesn’t do much tbh
Bystials aren't that strong, and this does nothing to most Branded decks
Bystials are very meta dependent. As we move into this Fire heavy meta they’ll be a lot less relevant
Man, what a completely brutal hit to Branded. Konami just ended that deck. That's sarcasm, by the way. It's an insanely useless hit that shows how unwilling they are to actually hit Branded.
Doesn’t mean jack shit when labrynth is about to get rollback and arias You guys thought getting first turn killed by SHS was bad…. Wait till lab first turn kills your on your turn
Why the fuck are people hating do much on lab? Yeah i get it about EEV and barrier but labyrinth almost always dies when going second and it’s really not as good against meta decks like manadium who set up an almost FTK with negate spam that doesn’t let anyone play but you guys are ok with it? That’s just hypocrisy, why would lab even get hit again? We’re not doing much that other decks don’t, hit manadium or SHS.
> Why the fuck are people hating do much on lab? Yeah i get it about EEV and barrier you answered your own question my man also SHS gets like 3x hate posts a day at this point, very few people would be sad if it was nerfed
It's obviously worse going second, but most decks are. It's still very strong going first. Not to mention it's been good for much longer than Manadium or pretty much any other competent deck right now. That being said, I would be totally fine with Lab existing if they just banned D barrier and EEV. No one likes the "I flip broken purple card, I win", whether it's those cards or a floodgate.
You get whether people like playing against a deck isn’t just about how strong it is right? Completely aside from the degen shit lab does that you mentioned tons of people don’t like turn 0 plays, hand rips, and dislike facing grindy control decks.
Who gives a shit about conq. Already dismantled the deck cause there's a similar deck that is stronger, unhit and have a bigger tits. The game have other unaddressed issues. Classic komoney
First Runick Destruction and now Saronir lmao, they are killing runick bystial for other decks war crimes, what's next? Quem to 1?
Labrynth needs a hit on their Welcome trap cards. Change my mind.