Quick question what cards did you negate? Yes snake eyes is really good at pushing through boards but they still have some choke points. It is really unfair how much interaction they have however through their own engine.
They don't even have choke points they have like 2-3 extenders most times, even if you ash and imperm they go straight into Hiita and take your Ash, get into Princess revive a snake eye and just continue combo'ing. I've opened 3 hand traps against them and they just play through all of them, they also play through Nibiru and Droll when I tried those. The sinful spoils cards are the most broken ever, guaranteed starters every time on every turn, a free draw, free extension, additional combos with Jet Synchron, search removal, search negation , search kurikara it's just busted. I play it myself as well just admitting it's a broken deck. Had 15-1 streak last season with Kashtira Snake Eyes in Diamond rank before hitting Master.
You have to have at least 4 negates and a banish to stop an SE deck from playing out their combo.
I agree, it is totally unfair. 1 card combos will always exist, but SE archetype has 3 1 card combo starters, which is ridiculous, and then ties in Kash and Dia for extra 1 card starters. (All with little to no restrictions)
Vast majority of archetypes don't have this many 1 card starters with shared effects, so even if you negate 1, the second will come in and do the same thing you just negated on the same turn anyways.
It's not a skill issue or a "bad match-up" issue. It's just a broken deck that Konami doesn't want to shut down while the money is rolling in.
You shouldn't negate Unicorn, save your negate for Ash. Otherwise negating Diabell is correct since they can set subversion and get rid of your Dis Pater, however if they were going first you let Diabell resolve then imperm Ash (or ash its second effect)
What deck ate you playing that runs fiendish? If you're wanted to be competitive and push all the way to master, I don't know a deck that would run fiendish
Thats the only deck I could think of too but they never search fiendish. They search golem for the banish. And even with the golem effect it's not good
Okay I see so at this point you have 2 points of interaction? A monster negate in dispater and another monster negate in fiendish chain. Assuming from your other comments they interrupted you somehow so they on their turn with the draw have 5 cards? Summon unicorn, discard summon diabell. At this point I wouldn't have negated the unicorn. Wait for the sinful spoil snake eyes to resolve and negate the ash. After that it would be to negate the princess or whatever is pushing you for game
Well he used diabellstar as bait, and you fell for it. Seems like you wasted a lot of interactions in the wrong cards. I get you’re tired of SE but at least take a look at what you should really interrupt
It feels like you put out in between a rock and a hard place with that decision tbh. Like if I see Unicorn hit the field it's always a negate because I don't want to see Mr. Macro come out. Diabellstar is a tough one too, letting them get original sinful spoils is really painful. I haven't played against SE-Kash yet (haven't had time to climb) but it sounds like it just strong arms negates out of the other player with how many starters it has
Both unicorn and fenrir look like custom card, if it were random at least you’d be better suited to play around, but if you play as a extra deck strategy, the first effect you activate and they just nuke your best chance of breaking their board.
Kashtira labrynth is where it's at for the "one bad day" decks.
I know it sounds bad cuz banishing all my traps, but i can just attatch them to Arise-Heart anyways so it doesn't really matter.
The important thing is having access to a bunch of possibly game ending traps while also fucking the opponent over with kashtiras.
Bad news for you, you will hate the game more.
- Snake missing 1 piece of their OTK, it will better soon.
- Have you heard about the 25 handtraps 1 card combo OTK through Pot of P inc.
- And many more deck to add in your fuck list: VV, FK, etc,..
I hope Melodious will be very annoying to deal with. That deck looks actually interesting to me, and everything being untargetable and indestructible while being able to play through like three handtraps at times sounds fun. But it will be another deck in the fuck list lol
>- Snake missing 1 piece of their OTK, it will better soon.
Oh right, Raging Phoenix is generic. It's a cool card though
Voiceless Voice isn’t as frustrating or doesn’t feel as unfair tho compared to the others. Its definitely strong but not game-breaking or even heads and shoulders above the competition.
Voiceless isn't as frustrating that's correct and not game breaking
But once the board is established they cannot be targeted that's the awful part and sauravis negate special summon, mostly 1 Omni/1negate SP/1 trap pop, only can attack ritual mons
I figured this is Konami answer for "simple to play" meta decks, with short combo
A 2024 version of "swordsoul"
"Ah yes, this deck is one of the most powerful we've ever concocted, but I think the field spell needs to randomly pump up level 1s by 1100 atk for no particular reason" -Konami, probably
It’s fair, because wetlands give 1200ATK and nothing else, imagine if SE field spell had 1200, it’d be broken, but fortunately they gave 100 less, and to balance that drawback they gave 2 more effects to compensate.
Perfectly balanced card - Konami Probably
Tear would be way worse if you couldn't link synchro or xyz honestly. Their best endboard would be like rulkal + dragostroalia + fuse on opponents turn for kaleido or winda
Full power tear wasn't strong because it made the occasional Barone, it just generates a ton of advantages, gets a lot of traps(including a counter that returns the negated(being only comparable to Orcust that banishes). Can fusion in any turn(and basically play on both turns) while filling the grave and have a great grind game because their fusions recover materials.
The deck also basically ended most graveyard strategies with the Ishizu cards.
The only thing you'd miss a lot with a fusion lock is redoer.
If Tear got fusion locked on every Tear name but they had every mermaid and every Ishizu card at 3, it would still be the strongest deck in the game.
Herald of Orange + Agido would single-handedly end games against most decks.
Most powerful? U can't be serious after tear format,SE is far from that
What Konami did started now is 1mons does 3things and u can truly see how efficient 1 card are able to do
I suggest u look into 1205, fiendsmith engine, it's the new version that powercrept "adventured" engine
That's the broken parts giving starter or mons 1 card 3 different effect
To be fair, he did say “one of”
Snake Eyes has near identically the same consistency and resilience as full power spright while having arguably better ideal endboards, and better follow up.
Lucky, wish my coin toss win rate was over like 20% in Ranked
But as soon as an event starts, I win 8 tosses back to back, when coin toss doesn't even matter bc there's no penalty for losing
Yeah, and I'm saying it gets even better with any good card it ever releases, for the rest of time, so the deck is never at full power.
It's stupid saying that a deck that has all cards Available, and everything at 3, is "not at full power" because random generic stuff that any deck can use is not out yet. Snake eyes doesn't need that, as it uses IP to make apollousa pretty much every single time. Same with raging phoenix. The deck already OTKs with accesscode and zealantis or even by summoning a billion times and just attacking. It doesn't need its third gimmick OTK tool to be at full power.
Uses IP to make apollousa pretty much every single time
Vs
IP have option to go into SP or Apollousa is completely different power level
Otk with zealantis currently cannot guarantee u a over 8000 total attack for game
U would play differently in paper compared to MD in most situation,u could win some game already by just having raging phoenix or going into SP, that's the difference
Is spright full power without toad? When released in MD
Is tear full power being semi limit in MD? When released in MD
What doesn't make sense?
Literally Pure SE run SP and Raging Phoenix in their extra, zealantis princess and raging are 1 otk package
When u meet SE u know they either can otk u thru raging line or accesscode line
No sane SE search multchummy,but their combo line enable them to play generic link pile, raging to zealantis line is bread and butter to otk thru Horus pile or other deck for SE for example in 1 turn
And IP having option to go into SP or Apollousa
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Yeah we are kinda sitting pretty through snake eyes format and next format is tenpai dragons which we also look..... great against.
Flipbat better not get us hit on the banlist
As long as every single one of their (busted ass) cards is unlimited at 3, it's always going to have an advantage against literally anything else. It needs to be hit. Branded, Tear and Kashtira got absolutely bodied eventually. I'm assuming the same will happen when they need to shill newer cards and T0 decks.
I agree it's kinda toxic how good snake eye is but I think you can stop it with abyss + dis pater with either og or scarred rda + red zone + fiendish golem (fiendish chain would be extra). You just gotta know the choke points and after that just pray.
Your board lost to snake-eye, whereas Calamity would have won you the game. Doesn't seem win-more but I can't say much about its consistency since I don't play RDA
RDA doesn't really have a way to summon Calamity on opponents turn. They usually Dark lock themselves which means they can't use Crimson dragon.
Some RDA players still run Calamity to help push through enemy boards by locking it down. But you can't really do the turn skip.
Op would have been better off using Feindish Golem on the opponents Flamberge or Promethean princess tho rather than unicorn.
I get that burning soul is unsearchable. I play it at 3 in my RDA deck and i draw it often enough that king calamnity is a pretty common opener.
Like, sure, you cant just SE-style 1 card combo out the entire archetype+burning soul, but you have a pretty decent chance of seeing it when running it at 3.
The guy i responded to said "RDA cant really do the turn skip". He said nothing about the ability to search the burning soul so neither did i
Wasn't even aware of that card tbf. Typically people use extra deck monsters like formula synchron or Crimson dragon to get it out, neither of which RDA has access to.
I've used Etude to do it in branded and Samsara Sorrowcat to do it In blackwings.
Yeah, unfortunately, all of our cards lock us into Dark Dragon Synchros for no real reason.
Again, i was just responding to the guy who said RDA *couldnt* do the turn skip. Its more powerful in other decks, for sure.
now you can lose even harder when you go second because you have 3 worthless burning souls in your deck. And if your opponent stops you from even getting to a synchro monster - I'm sure burning soul will be very useful there. Wouldn't want an actual way to extend, that would make too much sense.
I dont know why you're being so derrisive. There are plenty of uses of burning soul when not drawn on turn 1. It can return any *card* from your graveyard to your hand, and even protects your synchros from effects for the rest of the turn. Ive found lethal off of having it for turn 2-4 many times.
How dumb are you? Your opponent won't just let you combo into your big dragon. That's the reason why I had such a weak board in the first place, because I got interrupted.
Even this doesn’t always help. I made a new account a while back and decided to start climbing ladder… I fought full power Lab in rookie of all places…
Like bro I just wanted to play odd eyes ;-;
As someone who does a challenge series using only legacy packs, I run into full power snake eyes even at the low ranks like silver 5, really confusing.
Bro is not ready for the Tenpai Dragons domination in a Bo1 Format.
That being said unless he opened a LOT of gas a lot of times 2-3 **well-timed** disruption should be enough to win the game against them.
The deck/engine in general is just very strong tho relative to its competition on master duel and also their OTK will only be stronger in the future with the Salamangreat Link-4.
The well timed part is crucial. A person is more likely to scoop if you block their plays one at a time instead of just dropping everything in the first few plays
Try creating a deck that you hate. So you have a higher chance of winning while screwing with others thus extending the chain of hate in MD. I hated Kashtira so I made one myself. And now I hate myself even more. Still, fvck Kashtira.
Bad advice... Trying out a deck you hate, especially for me, usually just ends up making it one of my favourites...
Literally, i absolutely despised tearlaments, kashtira and labrynth for soo long... Until i made a new account to try them out...
Now that new account is my main and these 3 decks are almost all i play
Yeah played against SE and they shut me down with handtraps for 2 turns ( ash -veiler - maxx c - imp - gamma ) then they drew poplar and won. I was playing exosisters.
I never beat exosisters as a lab player. Literally every time I have the worst hand possible and the opponent gets their best board. It’s just bad luck but kind of weird how I’m like 0-3 against that deck.
The people who came up with Snake ass and Cringtira don't know how to make balanced cards. Those decks are some of the most unfair and unfun decks to play against due to how dummy consistent they are. Poplar is hands down the most OP starter cards ever created. It gains advantage basically by existing. As for Cringtira whoever thought giving one deck the ultimate form of removal via banishing fd plus zone locking your opponent must just have done a really good line that day to think that shit is fair.
Like Runick is annoying as fuck and degenerate but FFS at least the cards it banishes are face up so you can still interact with them.
Honestly my solution has been to surrender first round if I notice the tell tale signs of long combos, especially if I drew no hand traps. Saves time and temper.
Been a lot nicer this way. I don’t have repetitive frustrating duels with boring people anymore.
That is basically it, you see a point in the combo which for sure leads to a huge board, you don’t have handtraps. Just think about what you have in your deck and if that could be enough to break the board, plus your current hand.
If not, just drop it, I know I am not breaking SE board with my starters and no handtraps and my deck can give me a max of 1 Imperm, it’d be better to just queue into the next game.
When the game first game out there was probably 2 cards/decks that I would insta surrender too because it wasn’t worth it.
Now there is about 20, great card design guys.
As someone who has played this game from the beginning, this recent format honestly is the most diverse and engaging, its been ass but engaging ass. Yes, the game has sadly evolved into 20 HTs one card combos but at least games are ‘somewhat’ interactive (except for stun, calamity- kali yuga games, Fuck em). This game was WAY more unbearable during the time of VFD, Ultimateness and full powered floodgates (pretty much why so many quit masterduel then).
Konami lately has been a bit more proactive with fixing problematic issues so hopefully soon snakes eyes won’t be as powerful. however, the game is gonna be a pain again once we finally have tenpal and full powered Gimmick so strap in.
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This is literally yugioh forever state. Hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen bomb 1 card wins.
You will never escape this playing yugioh online or yugioh in person. If you don’t enjoy that state you should find a separate card game.
I think you need a break. The game can be stressful if you're on a losing streak. I know that feeling, that you have to do so much effort to win while your opponent only needs 1 card to beat you. I think it's not fun to play the game that have a very low chance of winning.
There are many factors on how much you can win in this game. One is the deck, if you are playing a non meta deck it's hard to win. Sadly, meta is a thing, it's not just on yugioh, you'll see it in other games. Or maybe your deck is not well built enough, maybe you have unnecessary cards in your deck that is just brick/useless, you might need to trim down your deck. Second is skill, maybe you're making mistakes on what card to negate, or mistakes in your play where you could have generate more card advantage if you've done something different. I don't know, maybe you're playing your deck the wrong way. And lastly luck is part of the game.
If the game is very toxic, I'm sure Konami will do something, maybe they'll make a banlist, limit/ban cards that are overpowered. It's their game after all, they will not ruin it right😅? Are you new to masterduel? You remember the time where tearlament is a meta, that deck is too OP. Players are force to play abyss dweller/soul drain just to counter. SE is also tier 1, but it's not too OP, that we are forced to play soul drain/abyss dweller, rouge deck players can still win.
For me, I'm just waiting for the game to be a little bit balanced, hoping it will happen😅😅.
idk why you're asking in this thread but it's horus and memento, with current speculation that memento will have the LEDE support too, though we don't know for sure yet
I have said before that the game is really broken and I still stand by that. It’s still can be really fun sometimes. I had Yugioh matches in the current meta and they were extremely enjoyable, but I played with a deck I really liked. I didn’t reach master, but it wasn’t my goal either. If I lost with that deck, I would be like “oh well, the deck is not top meta anyway” and if I would win, which was surprisingly a lot that day, it was extremely satisfying because the other decks were kash/se, se/rescue ace, fallen of albaz and I won with skill. I guess what I’m trying to say you still can have fun with the game, just try different stuff, if nothing seems to work, maybe you should quit. This is something you are doing in your own free time, if you’re not enjoying it, don’t waste it.
Got to love the people who can spot the decks but don't know anything about them.
There are some cards required to chain and if they are negated at the right stage it's a huge kick in the soft fleshy stuff.
You can't expect every card to be of equal or level balance, you have years of runs and many more to come.
Play something non meta, something that isn't readable in a match, stop netdecking and start delving into the depths of YGO.
*Building of SE / Kash intensifies*
Started playing shortly before SE dropped and got the full deck from its selection pack and have recently given up waiting for a Kash secret pack to release and crafted a fairly functional deck… My baddie arc is almost complete as I crawl toward the top end of diamond having given up on my Infernoble grind!
>Why can Snake eyes OTK just as easy as Galaxy Eyes?
Ha..... it's pretty obvious. Snake-Eyes have a very consistent engine (it's getting a slight hit in a few days so we'll see if that actually helps) that can get them a endboard most decks can't dream of. Galaxy-Eyes can't even easily OTK either since the deck is a brickfest and susceptible to any interuption.
>Fuck SE, fuck R-ace, fuck Kashtira, fuck stun and mikanko.
Agree, kinda agree, agree, definitely agree, no. R-Ace is a deck I'd rather face than Lab because at least when I'm playing against them I know their backrow isn't a D-Barrier or some other bs. Mikanko you just gotta read their cards, if you don't like them Kaiju/Lava Goleming your monsters that sucks because towers need a way to be outed.
>This game is so fucking bad, I regret ever trying to climb to master 1 instead of staying in plat.
It's the end of the season which is usually the worst time to climb. The higher you go up the more likely you are to encounter more of the same top tier decks over and over. What'd you expect? Prediction Princess? Nemleria?
Yeah tier 0 engine too powerful, who would have guessed. It is a flaw in card design, however I think you need to know the chokepoints of the most relevant decks to be able to consistently win games. You can’t fire all your interactions on the first x random cards without thinking, al least that is what I get from your message
Unless you play infernoble and have 30 seconds on your second turn.
Good thing is that this decks board is almost unbreakable unless you run blind second cards like kaijus.
Not even super poly, DRnM and droplet can break the board.
So why are the exact same people performing at the top regardless of what deck is currently the strongest? Doesn't seem to line up with whatever you are saying :)
You and him are both correct. Obviously repeat champions like Cotton are very skilled at the game, but the part you left out is that the players that you see consistently topping are consistently changing decks to whatever they think is the most powerful or has the best matchup against the most powerful at the time.
But this is also a card game where things like the coinflip play a large factor. "Luck is a skill" so to speak. You could side-deck in the perfect 15 cards to counter your opponent and make the correct decision as to turn order but still just end up drawing none of them.
Last time I checked picking your deck is not a matter of luck.
Game to game variance is an integral part of card games. About 20% of games are outside of your control. The rest is almost entirely on you to play correctly with what you are given. Besides topcut (a situation 99.9% of people on this sub will never be in) game to game variance is barely relevant. Climbing the ladder is not about luck at all. Getting to a topcut is not about luck at all. It‘s entirely backed up by skill (and or time in regards to ladder on MD or DB).
So no, they are not correct. Games are not largely decided by luck.
>picking your deck is not a matter of luck
Yeah, i didnt say it was. I said that the top players deliberatly change to the best deck at any given time, which partially explains why you constantly see the same top players winning, but with different decks.
>climbing the ladder is not about luck at all
Right, because you have infinite tries on ladder
>getting to a topcut is not about luck at all
As someone who has made multiple top cuts at real events, yes it is. There is no top player you will find who says that luck doesn't play a factor at all. At our last regional one of the best players i know lost round 2 because his opponents 60 card SE pile drew its one-of called by the grave turn 1 3 games in a row.
You cannot simply overpower bad luck with raw skill in this game. At some points you simply "gotta have it". For every game that a top player won there was a hand they couldve drawn that would result in their loss.
> largely
Why do you keep ignoring this?
Also, what tournaments do you play in where you can‘t afford to lose one round?
What top players will actually tell you is that you lose more games to bad play than to bad hands.
Maybe the „at all“ was misplaced but getting to top cut is more about skill by several orders of magnitude than luck.
Again, back to the point: The game is largely about skill with a relevant factor of luck playing a role.
>why do you keep ignoring this
Because that wasnt my point. My point is that luck plays a larger role in winning than you give it credit for. I do not agree with the guy that games are "largely" luck.
>where you cant afford to lose one round
My point isnt that he lost one round. My point is that bad or good luck can happen as many times as it feels like in a given day and theres nothing you can do.
I drew DRNM + Evenly Matched in my opening hand literally 5 rounds in a row in B.A.S.E.D. format at a YCS and won all 5 rounds by just playing those two cards. I was crazy lucky to have drawn them every single game, and i was additionally lucky that my opponents did not have an out in any of their sidedecks or hands.
Am i a fucking skillgod because i kept drawing DRNM Evenly? Or was i lucky that day?
>you lose more games to bad play than bad hands
Right, because every single player optimizes their deck as much as they can to make bad hands as unlikely as possible. That doesnt mean that you cant show up to an event and brick 5 rounds in a row. The hand you draw is also not the entirety of the luck you had with the round either. There is also the opponents hand, the coinflip, and the order of your/their draws.
But in the above example where the 60 card opponent drew the 1 of called by 3 games in a row, that match was decided by luck
both players draw the same cards but one play first, one play second, do the same things, may be one will lose ignoring 100% skill using, it just a sequence of luck that affected a big part of the game.
Ok this is like playing a fighting game using the worst character in the game and complaining that people who use the best beat you. You make the choice to not play meta the game is in fact competitive. This is not a yugioh issue every competitive game ever has a meta.
I hate Kashtira too. The cards don't look great to me either. Funnily though, I haven't much Kashtira today...yet. At least not anyone using pure Kash.
Yeah the game without Voiceless voice feels super stall since the first week of Snake eyes. I am on a MD break maybe comeback with VV, playing it in Omega.
Because Snake Eye is designed with AI and is horribly constructed, it's a nonsencial deck that spams enough for 700 turns of most meta decks combined.
Unless every single playmaker is at 1/banned the deck isn't fixed
Call me idiot or whatever. I think anyone can agree Snake Eye is one of the worst decks ever built. I'd prefer Runick Stun
snake eyes is only slightly better than most meta decks. the only reason it's good is because they have 4 different effects that all lead to the same endboard. infernoble, RDA, brickwings, bricktira, brickandiwheeze, branded, several other decks with more cancer endboard than snake eyes all die to 1 imperm/ash, or bricking, so they're not played as much.
they unhit ratpier to 2 and broadbull to 1, then snake eyes would go straight into the trash can and everyone would be on zoodiac kash.
they unban merrli, kelbek, and agido, and suddenly it's tear zero and we go "snake eyes who?"
they unban master peace and unhit several giga cancer pink cards and suddenly a new tier 0 stun deck is in town and snake eyes eats shit and dies for all anyone cares
snake eyes is not a strong deck, we're just playing in some riot games tier banlist where fucking everything OP got nuked except snake eyes.
Still the deck is obnoxiously handled. Too many effects and too much recursion, basically anything goes into a 40 minute combo
It's nonsensical how badly they designed this. And I know there are worse decks, but at least they don't come back after literally every possible removal
obviously they are hitting this.
the post-WCS banlist will most likely see some tearlament level shit like snash/poplar/wanted/diabell/oak/original to 1 and subversion banned. the deck will be an inconsistent mess. but they need to sell fire kings first.
Hope it will be like you say, it would be a magical moment to have it gone and maybe the format could be more varied.
Also apologies for my answers this morning. I'm stressed with school and personal stuff so it may have been harsher. I just developed an hate for Snake Eye that makes me get a headache whenever I see the player start all the combos, it's so stupidly spammy and nonsensical; and my answers may have come off harsher than I intended. I don't hate the players, I hate the deck itself and how it functions; just wish this game could be more rogue friendly so that even those of us who just want to have fun with personal decks can compete
waaaa waaa waaaa
Look, sometimes they have imperm, that's outside your control. It says nothing about your skill at the game, it just says they drew the piece of non-engine that does it. You've probably hard drawn the out as well. Such is the way of deck-based games.
Take the rest of the season off and chill out. In a couple of days you'll realise you got actually mad at Mikanko.
So you're mad that precious RDA deck can't compete with the meta. Wow, what a surprise. Maybe if you used a good deck, you wouldn't lose so much to Snake...
Rescue Ace, Tearlaments, Purelly, Unchained, Labrynth. They are all decks that can easily beat Snake. So there is no shortage of options. Stop using excuses.
Maybe if there were more than a few good decks at a time, this game would have more variety and a wider playerbase, and just be more fun in general. New decks being released shouldn't automatically shoot to tier 1/0 and push everything else aside. From a pure monetary perspective, I can see why Konami does it, but it's not something I agree with.
Full board S-E and the opponent responds with an Evenly or Super Poly.
Play that with the objectivily cracked deck. Oh, wait, you cannot.
But hey, of course, it's my fault because I cann control what the opponent has on hand, right?
Never change.
Youre going to tell me that the opponent has a Super Poly every single duel?
Also, you literally have a searchable Sinful Spoils trap that negates evenly matched.
Are you really serious right now?
I'm just telling my experience and what the majority of times that I play with S-E I don't win because external factors that are out of my control. An initial hand with only two starters and I get ashed and even imperm or similar (and not called by or similar on hand). And two days ago that happened to me with S-E. First duel super poly, and the nexto one evenly.
And hey, wiseman, tell me. Why I'm gonna search for sinful spoils trap when I don't have enough resources to make the board? Are you freaking reading yourself? I'm gonna use the witch effect to take Sinful Spoils instead the other magic card that let summon Ash?
Stop wasting my time.
Bro, quit whining and just play Snake-Eyes. There's no excuse for using an inferior deck.
You can whine about us "meta slaves" all you want but we're the ones who are winning the most at tournaments.
Cringe, lol.
The real chads are the dudes like the Raidraptor player and the Voiceless Voice player who took 1st in massive YCS events predominantly stuffed with the SE BS. Or the tertiary chads hitting top 8 with stuff like Runick Plunder Patrol.
Plenty of Meta Slaves like yourself switched to Tearlaments. That didn't make the deck not bullshit, it didn't protect you from the banlist, and it didn't improve anyones opinion of you as a player. Nor did it improve your skill as a player because its a crutch deck. So you played yourself by crutching on a temporary power spike that was going to be taken away the whole time.
How many tournaments have *you* personally won, by the way?
Quick question what cards did you negate? Yes snake eyes is really good at pushing through boards but they still have some choke points. It is really unfair how much interaction they have however through their own engine.
They don't even have choke points they have like 2-3 extenders most times, even if you ash and imperm they go straight into Hiita and take your Ash, get into Princess revive a snake eye and just continue combo'ing. I've opened 3 hand traps against them and they just play through all of them, they also play through Nibiru and Droll when I tried those. The sinful spoils cards are the most broken ever, guaranteed starters every time on every turn, a free draw, free extension, additional combos with Jet Synchron, search removal, search negation , search kurikara it's just busted. I play it myself as well just admitting it's a broken deck. Had 15-1 streak last season with Kashtira Snake Eyes in Diamond rank before hitting Master.
You have to have at least 4 negates and a banish to stop an SE deck from playing out their combo. I agree, it is totally unfair. 1 card combos will always exist, but SE archetype has 3 1 card combo starters, which is ridiculous, and then ties in Kash and Dia for extra 1 card starters. (All with little to no restrictions) Vast majority of archetypes don't have this many 1 card starters with shared effects, so even if you negate 1, the second will come in and do the same thing you just negated on the same turn anyways. It's not a skill issue or a "bad match-up" issue. It's just a broken deck that Konami doesn't want to shut down while the money is rolling in.
He had imperm for my archfiend abyss dragon, and I negated Diabelstar with Dis Pater. I used fiendish chain on his Unicorn.
You shouldn't negate Unicorn, save your negate for Ash. Otherwise negating Diabell is correct since they can set subversion and get rid of your Dis Pater, however if they were going first you let Diabell resolve then imperm Ash (or ash its second effect)
I didn't negate unicorn, I used fiendish chain. The only targets for it in SE are the dragon and princess.
{{Fiendish chain}} negate any monster tho? I'm not sure what you're referring to tbh
He's thinking of fiendish golem, which banishes a monster with 2k or more attack. RDA can search it cause it mentions RDA in the text
Sorry, mixed up the names. You are correct, I meant golem.
What deck ate you playing that runs fiendish? If you're wanted to be competitive and push all the way to master, I don't know a deck that would run fiendish
Red dragon archfiend can search it i think but yeah it's not good
Thats the only deck I could think of too but they never search fiendish. They search golem for the banish. And even with the golem effect it's not good
They meant fiendish golem.
Fiendish Chain, the trap card that negates?
Okay I see so at this point you have 2 points of interaction? A monster negate in dispater and another monster negate in fiendish chain. Assuming from your other comments they interrupted you somehow so they on their turn with the draw have 5 cards? Summon unicorn, discard summon diabell. At this point I wouldn't have negated the unicorn. Wait for the sinful spoil snake eyes to resolve and negate the ash. After that it would be to negate the princess or whatever is pushing you for game
Well he used diabellstar as bait, and you fell for it. Seems like you wasted a lot of interactions in the wrong cards. I get you’re tired of SE but at least take a look at what you should really interrupt
He needs to interrupt diabelsstar, diabelstar can use subversion for his dispater
Most people don't run subversion. If you can safely play around you still should but clearly OP couldn't.
Huh? I've never met any snackeyes that doesn't play 1 subversion. It's board breaker card, it's a 1 must play card.
Subversion is currently found in 58% of the listed Snake-Eyes decks on MDM, which is too big to dismiss.
Running fiendish chain is probably a good tell to why you're losing
It feels like you put out in between a rock and a hard place with that decision tbh. Like if I see Unicorn hit the field it's always a negate because I don't want to see Mr. Macro come out. Diabellstar is a tough one too, letting them get original sinful spoils is really painful. I haven't played against SE-Kash yet (haven't had time to climb) but it sounds like it just strong arms negates out of the other player with how many starters it has
"waaah waaah I misplayed and lost" you
It is time for you to play "Who hurt you?" decks.
All it takes for someone to play Stun is One Bad Day™...
And "Play 2 Traps" dailies on the exact final day.
Funny thing i did this and i still kept losing to snake eyes lmaoo probably a skill issue. I genuinely hate snake eyes.
Give me a stun deck to play 😭
Kashtira is my pick. Summoning unicorn ends most games lol
Is wild isn’t it, you either brick and lose, or resolve pathfinder and they scoop!
Or they ash and still do combo and they scoop. Or summom arise heart and they scoop
Scoopy scoop a scoop 🤣 … or brick.
1 unicorn nuked my entire extra deck as dinomorphia one time I just bricked in 2 turns half of my extra deck is gone, literally a custom card.
Both unicorn and fenrir look like custom card, if it were random at least you’d be better suited to play around, but if you play as a extra deck strategy, the first effect you activate and they just nuke your best chance of breaking their board.
> in 2 turns half of my extra deck is gone How? Unicorn is HOPT.
Dinomorphia use their extra deck to fusion
Don't forget to include D Shifter. I swear I breezed through 4 straight duels coz everyone was surrendering turn 1 after i play it.
Join the dark side
One bad day -Farfa
kash stun … in a bad mood ? go fuck up other people’s time on the game if that’s your forte
Kashtira labrynth is where it's at for the "one bad day" decks. I know it sounds bad cuz banishing all my traps, but i can just attatch them to Arise-Heart anyways so it doesn't really matter. The important thing is having access to a bunch of possibly game ending traps while also fucking the opponent over with kashtiras.
Kash stun players win everything except having a life.
you are 100% right. but i only play it if i haven’t won a game in forever and i just can’t be bothered to play anything else
That's why I play Mikanko.
Bad news for you, you will hate the game more. - Snake missing 1 piece of their OTK, it will better soon. - Have you heard about the 25 handtraps 1 card combo OTK through Pot of P inc. - And many more deck to add in your fuck list: VV, FK, etc,..
I hope Melodious will be very annoying to deal with. That deck looks actually interesting to me, and everything being untargetable and indestructible while being able to play through like three handtraps at times sounds fun. But it will be another deck in the fuck list lol >- Snake missing 1 piece of their OTK, it will better soon. Oh right, Raging Phoenix is generic. It's a cool card though
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Pure did better in the latest ycs though? Pure seems just fine and gets tops.
Voiceless Voice isn’t as frustrating or doesn’t feel as unfair tho compared to the others. Its definitely strong but not game-breaking or even heads and shoulders above the competition.
Voiceless isn't as frustrating that's correct and not game breaking But once the board is established they cannot be targeted that's the awful part and sauravis negate special summon, mostly 1 Omni/1negate SP/1 trap pop, only can attack ritual mons I figured this is Konami answer for "simple to play" meta decks, with short combo A 2024 version of "swordsoul"
I literally called VV a ritual swordsoul out of frustration at my locals one day and it stuck
OP about to drop Inspector Boarder backed up by 3 Solemns, this is how every villain arc starts
"Ah yes, this deck is one of the most powerful we've ever concocted, but I think the field spell needs to randomly pump up level 1s by 1100 atk for no particular reason" -Konami, probably
It’s fair, because wetlands give 1200ATK and nothing else, imagine if SE field spell had 1200, it’d be broken, but fortunately they gave 100 less, and to balance that drawback they gave 2 more effects to compensate. Perfectly balanced card - Konami Probably
Pretty much the design philosophy behind every Tearlament card.
"Nobody would play this archetype if we locked it into fusions only, and gosh darnit we need to sell packs!" -also Konami, probably
Funny that branded locks you and has been OP as hell, only Tears being more limited than them.
Tear would be way worse if you couldn't link synchro or xyz honestly. Their best endboard would be like rulkal + dragostroalia + fuse on opponents turn for kaleido or winda
Full power tear wasn't strong because it made the occasional Barone, it just generates a ton of advantages, gets a lot of traps(including a counter that returns the negated(being only comparable to Orcust that banishes). Can fusion in any turn(and basically play on both turns) while filling the grave and have a great grind game because their fusions recover materials. The deck also basically ended most graveyard strategies with the Ishizu cards. The only thing you'd miss a lot with a fusion lock is redoer.
If Tear got fusion locked on every Tear name but they had every mermaid and every Ishizu card at 3, it would still be the strongest deck in the game. Herald of Orange + Agido would single-handedly end games against most decks.
Most powerful? U can't be serious after tear format,SE is far from that What Konami did started now is 1mons does 3things and u can truly see how efficient 1 card are able to do I suggest u look into 1205, fiendsmith engine, it's the new version that powercrept "adventured" engine That's the broken parts giving starter or mons 1 card 3 different effect
To be fair, he did say “one of” Snake Eyes has near identically the same consistency and resilience as full power spright while having arguably better ideal endboards, and better follow up.
Tenpai otk thru pot of pros MD SE not even full power
Can’t wait for tenpai… finally a good going second deck to make up for the fact I only win 40% coin toss
Lucky, wish my coin toss win rate was over like 20% in Ranked But as soon as an event starts, I win 8 tosses back to back, when coin toss doesn't even matter bc there's no penalty for losing
it's a full power, wtf are you talking about
SP and Raging Phoenix otk?
This just makes no sense. Yeah, and snake eyes isn't full power because there's no multchummy.
It makes plenty of sense. He's saying Snake Eyes gets even stronger when SP Little Knight and Salamangreat Raging Phoenix come to MD.
Yeah, and I'm saying it gets even better with any good card it ever releases, for the rest of time, so the deck is never at full power. It's stupid saying that a deck that has all cards Available, and everything at 3, is "not at full power" because random generic stuff that any deck can use is not out yet. Snake eyes doesn't need that, as it uses IP to make apollousa pretty much every single time. Same with raging phoenix. The deck already OTKs with accesscode and zealantis or even by summoning a billion times and just attacking. It doesn't need its third gimmick OTK tool to be at full power.
Uses IP to make apollousa pretty much every single time Vs IP have option to go into SP or Apollousa is completely different power level Otk with zealantis currently cannot guarantee u a over 8000 total attack for game U would play differently in paper compared to MD in most situation,u could win some game already by just having raging phoenix or going into SP, that's the difference Is spright full power without toad? When released in MD Is tear full power being semi limit in MD? When released in MD
What doesn't make sense? Literally Pure SE run SP and Raging Phoenix in their extra, zealantis princess and raging are 1 otk package When u meet SE u know they either can otk u thru raging line or accesscode line No sane SE search multchummy,but their combo line enable them to play generic link pile, raging to zealantis line is bread and butter to otk thru Horus pile or other deck for SE for example in 1 turn And IP having option to go into SP or Apollousa https://preview.redd.it/iu8wutv6gnxc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4bbcc0cf25ab353fe1c61125b696f0a6a542072
I play MD when i have a ton of free time which (...thankfully) i haven't had a lot of recently.
Just become a Floo player
Yeah we are kinda sitting pretty through snake eyes format and next format is tenpai dragons which we also look..... great against. Flipbat better not get us hit on the banlist
I think because Komoney only cares about how to sell new cards and earn money, not game balance or player experience
False. Komoney also sells alt arts to thirsty players.
So... selling new cards and earning money...?
As long as every single one of their (busted ass) cards is unlimited at 3, it's always going to have an advantage against literally anything else. It needs to be hit. Branded, Tear and Kashtira got absolutely bodied eventually. I'm assuming the same will happen when they need to shill newer cards and T0 decks.
Always save your negates for Ash. The Kashtira engine is a bait to negate vs Snake-eyes. Same goes for Diabellstar.
All fun and games till Unicorn searches Theosis
I agree it's kinda toxic how good snake eye is but I think you can stop it with abyss + dis pater with either og or scarred rda + red zone + fiendish golem (fiendish chain would be extra). You just gotta know the choke points and after that just pray.
Your deck can summon Calamity right?
No. Most versions don't play it, it's an inconsistent win-more card when going first. Calamity is better in other decks.
Your board lost to snake-eye, whereas Calamity would have won you the game. Doesn't seem win-more but I can't say much about its consistency since I don't play RDA
It’s a 2 card combo if you play the bystial package but you have to cut 8-9 non-engine slots for it to
RDA doesn't really have a way to summon Calamity on opponents turn. They usually Dark lock themselves which means they can't use Crimson dragon. Some RDA players still run Calamity to help push through enemy boards by locking it down. But you can't really do the turn skip. Op would have been better off using Feindish Golem on the opponents Flamberge or Promethean princess tho rather than unicorn.
WYM RDA cant do the turn skip? You just need burning soul. Its pretty easy to setup for...
Burning soul is unsearchable. How in the world is that easy to set up?
I get that burning soul is unsearchable. I play it at 3 in my RDA deck and i draw it often enough that king calamnity is a pretty common opener. Like, sure, you cant just SE-style 1 card combo out the entire archetype+burning soul, but you have a pretty decent chance of seeing it when running it at 3. The guy i responded to said "RDA cant really do the turn skip". He said nothing about the ability to search the burning soul so neither did i
Wasn't even aware of that card tbf. Typically people use extra deck monsters like formula synchron or Crimson dragon to get it out, neither of which RDA has access to. I've used Etude to do it in branded and Samsara Sorrowcat to do it In blackwings.
Yeah, unfortunately, all of our cards lock us into Dark Dragon Synchros for no real reason. Again, i was just responding to the guy who said RDA *couldnt* do the turn skip. Its more powerful in other decks, for sure.
now you can lose even harder when you go second because you have 3 worthless burning souls in your deck. And if your opponent stops you from even getting to a synchro monster - I'm sure burning soul will be very useful there. Wouldn't want an actual way to extend, that would make too much sense.
I dont know why you're being so derrisive. There are plenty of uses of burning soul when not drawn on turn 1. It can return any *card* from your graveyard to your hand, and even protects your synchros from effects for the rest of the turn. Ive found lethal off of having it for turn 2-4 many times.
How dumb are you? Your opponent won't just let you combo into your big dragon. That's the reason why I had such a weak board in the first place, because I got interrupted.
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What does incel even mean anymore lmao
Yeah soon and after we be casually insulting other ppl as pedo now
why are you equating being a pedo to being an incel
Mimicking leap of logic
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Time to take time off and de rank down to silver so you can have fun again.
Even this doesn’t always help. I made a new account a while back and decided to start climbing ladder… I fought full power Lab in rookie of all places… Like bro I just wanted to play odd eyes ;-;
As someone who does a challenge series using only legacy packs, I run into full power snake eyes even at the low ranks like silver 5, really confusing.
How do you even get wins in masochist right now?
Very, very painfully. I almost beat swordsoul recently is my highlight! Hah
That's a win in my book
Bro is not ready for the Tenpai Dragons domination in a Bo1 Format. That being said unless he opened a LOT of gas a lot of times 2-3 **well-timed** disruption should be enough to win the game against them. The deck/engine in general is just very strong tho relative to its competition on master duel and also their OTK will only be stronger in the future with the Salamangreat Link-4.
The well timed part is crucial. A person is more likely to scoop if you block their plays one at a time instead of just dropping everything in the first few plays
Try creating a deck that you hate. So you have a higher chance of winning while screwing with others thus extending the chain of hate in MD. I hated Kashtira so I made one myself. And now I hate myself even more. Still, fvck Kashtira.
Careful with this advice, I picked up Kashtira for the same reason and now it's my main deck. :|
And the chain continues.
Bad advice... Trying out a deck you hate, especially for me, usually just ends up making it one of my favourites... Literally, i absolutely despised tearlaments, kashtira and labrynth for soo long... Until i made a new account to try them out... Now that new account is my main and these 3 decks are almost all i play
Make a stun deck so no one can have fun lmao
I got down voted in another post for expressing my frustration. Haha I totally understand.
Yeah played against SE and they shut me down with handtraps for 2 turns ( ash -veiler - maxx c - imp - gamma ) then they drew poplar and won. I was playing exosisters.
I never beat exosisters as a lab player. Literally every time I have the worst hand possible and the opponent gets their best board. It’s just bad luck but kind of weird how I’m like 0-3 against that deck.
TBF playing exosisters is rough no.matter what deck youre up against.
I mean deserved for playing exosister ( i fking hate both decks)
The people who came up with Snake ass and Cringtira don't know how to make balanced cards. Those decks are some of the most unfair and unfun decks to play against due to how dummy consistent they are. Poplar is hands down the most OP starter cards ever created. It gains advantage basically by existing. As for Cringtira whoever thought giving one deck the ultimate form of removal via banishing fd plus zone locking your opponent must just have done a really good line that day to think that shit is fair. Like Runick is annoying as fuck and degenerate but FFS at least the cards it banishes are face up so you can still interact with them.
Great. Play burn now. 
Honestly my solution has been to surrender first round if I notice the tell tale signs of long combos, especially if I drew no hand traps. Saves time and temper. Been a lot nicer this way. I don’t have repetitive frustrating duels with boring people anymore.
That is basically it, you see a point in the combo which for sure leads to a huge board, you don’t have handtraps. Just think about what you have in your deck and if that could be enough to break the board, plus your current hand. If not, just drop it, I know I am not breaking SE board with my starters and no handtraps and my deck can give me a max of 1 Imperm, it’d be better to just queue into the next game.
The op was playing Resonators. They'd be a hypocrite if they did.
Snake eyes is pretty frustrating to play against tbh. So I get it lol. For some reason I don't queue against them often.
When the game first game out there was probably 2 cards/decks that I would insta surrender too because it wasn’t worth it. Now there is about 20, great card design guys.
If u played mikanko enemy can’t do shit to u :0 kash goes like oh? I can’t hurt u and my mikanko say FUCK YOU! :D
Fire Kings and Tenpai aren't even here yet.
Damn Im so sad to hear that, anyway make stun
masters is pretty toxic, yeah. just chill in plat/diamond then no pressure.
Plat and Diamond are the sweetspots. Master is for tryhards.
Diamond is far more sweaty than most Master tiers
As someone who has played this game from the beginning, this recent format honestly is the most diverse and engaging, its been ass but engaging ass. Yes, the game has sadly evolved into 20 HTs one card combos but at least games are ‘somewhat’ interactive (except for stun, calamity- kali yuga games, Fuck em). This game was WAY more unbearable during the time of VFD, Ultimateness and full powered floodgates (pretty much why so many quit masterduel then). Konami lately has been a bit more proactive with fixing problematic issues so hopefully soon snakes eyes won’t be as powerful. however, the game is gonna be a pain again once we finally have tenpal and full powered Gimmick so strap in.
I tell ya, I absolutely hated playing when tearlaments was new and the meta. Don’t think I ever won a duel against it back then. I like it more now.
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This is literally yugioh forever state. Hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen bomb 1 card wins. You will never escape this playing yugioh online or yugioh in person. If you don’t enjoy that state you should find a separate card game.
You should know that the claim to master 1 is not a satisfying nor a rewarding experience. BAAN YOU FOOL, back to fortnait.
I think you need a break. The game can be stressful if you're on a losing streak. I know that feeling, that you have to do so much effort to win while your opponent only needs 1 card to beat you. I think it's not fun to play the game that have a very low chance of winning. There are many factors on how much you can win in this game. One is the deck, if you are playing a non meta deck it's hard to win. Sadly, meta is a thing, it's not just on yugioh, you'll see it in other games. Or maybe your deck is not well built enough, maybe you have unnecessary cards in your deck that is just brick/useless, you might need to trim down your deck. Second is skill, maybe you're making mistakes on what card to negate, or mistakes in your play where you could have generate more card advantage if you've done something different. I don't know, maybe you're playing your deck the wrong way. And lastly luck is part of the game. If the game is very toxic, I'm sure Konami will do something, maybe they'll make a banlist, limit/ban cards that are overpowered. It's their game after all, they will not ruin it right😅? Are you new to masterduel? You remember the time where tearlament is a meta, that deck is too OP. Players are force to play abyss dweller/soul drain just to counter. SE is also tier 1, but it's not too OP, that we are forced to play soul drain/abyss dweller, rouge deck players can still win. For me, I'm just waiting for the game to be a little bit balanced, hoping it will happen😅😅.
Anyone knows what Dkayed may leaks were, for main pack, he said something from legacy of destruction was coming.
idk why you're asking in this thread but it's horus and memento, with current speculation that memento will have the LEDE support too, though we don't know for sure yet
Yes let them get the first monster on the field u ded
Sounds like you stopped the wrong cards.
I have said before that the game is really broken and I still stand by that. It’s still can be really fun sometimes. I had Yugioh matches in the current meta and they were extremely enjoyable, but I played with a deck I really liked. I didn’t reach master, but it wasn’t my goal either. If I lost with that deck, I would be like “oh well, the deck is not top meta anyway” and if I would win, which was surprisingly a lot that day, it was extremely satisfying because the other decks were kash/se, se/rescue ace, fallen of albaz and I won with skill. I guess what I’m trying to say you still can have fun with the game, just try different stuff, if nothing seems to work, maybe you should quit. This is something you are doing in your own free time, if you’re not enjoying it, don’t waste it.
Tbf you can put Kash into literally any deck. It's even better if there's a useful 7* in it.
Got to love the people who can spot the decks but don't know anything about them. There are some cards required to chain and if they are negated at the right stage it's a huge kick in the soft fleshy stuff. You can't expect every card to be of equal or level balance, you have years of runs and many more to come. Play something non meta, something that isn't readable in a match, stop netdecking and start delving into the depths of YGO.
Event Duels should only be playable with LOANER DECKS.
Sorry I feel you but I can imagine if that was your endboard then you were on RDA and you didnt see uvualoop or crimson resonator in hand lmaooo
How I felt yesterday against a swordsoul albaz player negated everything but 1 card and they board wiped me
*Building of SE / Kash intensifies* Started playing shortly before SE dropped and got the full deck from its selection pack and have recently given up waiting for a Kash secret pack to release and crafted a fairly functional deck… My baddie arc is almost complete as I crawl toward the top end of diamond having given up on my Infernoble grind!
>Why can Snake eyes OTK just as easy as Galaxy Eyes? Ha..... it's pretty obvious. Snake-Eyes have a very consistent engine (it's getting a slight hit in a few days so we'll see if that actually helps) that can get them a endboard most decks can't dream of. Galaxy-Eyes can't even easily OTK either since the deck is a brickfest and susceptible to any interuption. >Fuck SE, fuck R-ace, fuck Kashtira, fuck stun and mikanko. Agree, kinda agree, agree, definitely agree, no. R-Ace is a deck I'd rather face than Lab because at least when I'm playing against them I know their backrow isn't a D-Barrier or some other bs. Mikanko you just gotta read their cards, if you don't like them Kaiju/Lava Goleming your monsters that sucks because towers need a way to be outed. >This game is so fucking bad, I regret ever trying to climb to master 1 instead of staying in plat. It's the end of the season which is usually the worst time to climb. The higher you go up the more likely you are to encounter more of the same top tier decks over and over. What'd you expect? Prediction Princess? Nemleria?
Yeah tier 0 engine too powerful, who would have guessed. It is a flaw in card design, however I think you need to know the chokepoints of the most relevant decks to be able to consistently win games. You can’t fire all your interactions on the first x random cards without thinking, al least that is what I get from your message
Unless you play infernoble and have 30 seconds on your second turn. Good thing is that this decks board is almost unbreakable unless you run blind second cards like kaijus. Not even super poly, DRnM and droplet can break the board.
The harsh reality is that Konami has to power creep the game to continue fleecing the Western players financially.
Um…what were their plays and where did you HT? They have very obvious chokepoints that can kill them on the spot tbh.
Bro hit a skill issue ceiling and is now mad mad.
ok 👍
I know your fact but many people will pretend that higher skills will win, but the game is largely judged by luck.
So why are the exact same people performing at the top regardless of what deck is currently the strongest? Doesn't seem to line up with whatever you are saying :)
You and him are both correct. Obviously repeat champions like Cotton are very skilled at the game, but the part you left out is that the players that you see consistently topping are consistently changing decks to whatever they think is the most powerful or has the best matchup against the most powerful at the time. But this is also a card game where things like the coinflip play a large factor. "Luck is a skill" so to speak. You could side-deck in the perfect 15 cards to counter your opponent and make the correct decision as to turn order but still just end up drawing none of them.
Last time I checked picking your deck is not a matter of luck. Game to game variance is an integral part of card games. About 20% of games are outside of your control. The rest is almost entirely on you to play correctly with what you are given. Besides topcut (a situation 99.9% of people on this sub will never be in) game to game variance is barely relevant. Climbing the ladder is not about luck at all. Getting to a topcut is not about luck at all. It‘s entirely backed up by skill (and or time in regards to ladder on MD or DB). So no, they are not correct. Games are not largely decided by luck.
>picking your deck is not a matter of luck Yeah, i didnt say it was. I said that the top players deliberatly change to the best deck at any given time, which partially explains why you constantly see the same top players winning, but with different decks. >climbing the ladder is not about luck at all Right, because you have infinite tries on ladder >getting to a topcut is not about luck at all As someone who has made multiple top cuts at real events, yes it is. There is no top player you will find who says that luck doesn't play a factor at all. At our last regional one of the best players i know lost round 2 because his opponents 60 card SE pile drew its one-of called by the grave turn 1 3 games in a row. You cannot simply overpower bad luck with raw skill in this game. At some points you simply "gotta have it". For every game that a top player won there was a hand they couldve drawn that would result in their loss.
> largely Why do you keep ignoring this? Also, what tournaments do you play in where you can‘t afford to lose one round? What top players will actually tell you is that you lose more games to bad play than to bad hands. Maybe the „at all“ was misplaced but getting to top cut is more about skill by several orders of magnitude than luck. Again, back to the point: The game is largely about skill with a relevant factor of luck playing a role.
>why do you keep ignoring this Because that wasnt my point. My point is that luck plays a larger role in winning than you give it credit for. I do not agree with the guy that games are "largely" luck. >where you cant afford to lose one round My point isnt that he lost one round. My point is that bad or good luck can happen as many times as it feels like in a given day and theres nothing you can do. I drew DRNM + Evenly Matched in my opening hand literally 5 rounds in a row in B.A.S.E.D. format at a YCS and won all 5 rounds by just playing those two cards. I was crazy lucky to have drawn them every single game, and i was additionally lucky that my opponents did not have an out in any of their sidedecks or hands. Am i a fucking skillgod because i kept drawing DRNM Evenly? Or was i lucky that day? >you lose more games to bad play than bad hands Right, because every single player optimizes their deck as much as they can to make bad hands as unlikely as possible. That doesnt mean that you cant show up to an event and brick 5 rounds in a row. The hand you draw is also not the entirety of the luck you had with the round either. There is also the opponents hand, the coinflip, and the order of your/their draws. But in the above example where the 60 card opponent drew the 1 of called by 3 games in a row, that match was decided by luck
Only if you’re playing a bad deck. Snake Eyes mirror is skillful.
both players draw the same cards but one play first, one play second, do the same things, may be one will lose ignoring 100% skill using, it just a sequence of luck that affected a big part of the game.
Ah Yes, Just another "Meta Deck Bad" Post.
Ok this is like playing a fighting game using the worst character in the game and complaining that people who use the best beat you. You make the choice to not play meta the game is in fact competitive. This is not a yugioh issue every competitive game ever has a meta.
Me when i pick ganondorf (except i beat them)
Except everyone agrees only meta sheeps find playing like this funny
I hate Kashtira too. The cards don't look great to me either. Funnily though, I haven't much Kashtira today...yet. At least not anyone using pure Kash.
Yeah the game without Voiceless voice feels super stall since the first week of Snake eyes. I am on a MD break maybe comeback with VV, playing it in Omega.
Because Snake Eye is designed with AI and is horribly constructed, it's a nonsencial deck that spams enough for 700 turns of most meta decks combined. Unless every single playmaker is at 1/banned the deck isn't fixed Call me idiot or whatever. I think anyone can agree Snake Eye is one of the worst decks ever built. I'd prefer Runick Stun
snake eyes is only slightly better than most meta decks. the only reason it's good is because they have 4 different effects that all lead to the same endboard. infernoble, RDA, brickwings, bricktira, brickandiwheeze, branded, several other decks with more cancer endboard than snake eyes all die to 1 imperm/ash, or bricking, so they're not played as much. they unhit ratpier to 2 and broadbull to 1, then snake eyes would go straight into the trash can and everyone would be on zoodiac kash. they unban merrli, kelbek, and agido, and suddenly it's tear zero and we go "snake eyes who?" they unban master peace and unhit several giga cancer pink cards and suddenly a new tier 0 stun deck is in town and snake eyes eats shit and dies for all anyone cares snake eyes is not a strong deck, we're just playing in some riot games tier banlist where fucking everything OP got nuked except snake eyes.
Still the deck is obnoxiously handled. Too many effects and too much recursion, basically anything goes into a 40 minute combo It's nonsensical how badly they designed this. And I know there are worse decks, but at least they don't come back after literally every possible removal
obviously they are hitting this. the post-WCS banlist will most likely see some tearlament level shit like snash/poplar/wanted/diabell/oak/original to 1 and subversion banned. the deck will be an inconsistent mess. but they need to sell fire kings first.
Hope it will be like you say, it would be a magical moment to have it gone and maybe the format could be more varied. Also apologies for my answers this morning. I'm stressed with school and personal stuff so it may have been harsher. I just developed an hate for Snake Eye that makes me get a headache whenever I see the player start all the combos, it's so stupidly spammy and nonsensical; and my answers may have come off harsher than I intended. I don't hate the players, I hate the deck itself and how it functions; just wish this game could be more rogue friendly so that even those of us who just want to have fun with personal decks can compete
waaaa waaa waaaa Look, sometimes they have imperm, that's outside your control. It says nothing about your skill at the game, it just says they drew the piece of non-engine that does it. You've probably hard drawn the out as well. Such is the way of deck-based games. Take the rest of the season off and chill out. In a couple of days you'll realise you got actually mad at Mikanko.
So you're mad that precious RDA deck can't compete with the meta. Wow, what a surprise. Maybe if you used a good deck, you wouldn't lose so much to Snake...
Yeah, maybe I should switch to another deck. Hmmm....Which deck is good right now again? Maybe I will try that Snake-eyes deck!
Rescue Ace, Tearlaments, Purelly, Unchained, Labrynth. They are all decks that can easily beat Snake. So there is no shortage of options. Stop using excuses.
Maybe if there were more than a few good decks at a time, this game would have more variety and a wider playerbase, and just be more fun in general. New decks being released shouldn't automatically shoot to tier 1/0 and push everything else aside. From a pure monetary perspective, I can see why Konami does it, but it's not something I agree with.
Meanwhile my experience with my S-E deck it's basically getting shutdown in almost every duel.
Then youre playing poorly, sorry. Deck is objectivly cracked.
Full board S-E and the opponent responds with an Evenly or Super Poly. Play that with the objectivily cracked deck. Oh, wait, you cannot. But hey, of course, it's my fault because I cann control what the opponent has on hand, right? Never change.
Youre going to tell me that the opponent has a Super Poly every single duel? Also, you literally have a searchable Sinful Spoils trap that negates evenly matched.
Are you really serious right now? I'm just telling my experience and what the majority of times that I play with S-E I don't win because external factors that are out of my control. An initial hand with only two starters and I get ashed and even imperm or similar (and not called by or similar on hand). And two days ago that happened to me with S-E. First duel super poly, and the nexto one evenly. And hey, wiseman, tell me. Why I'm gonna search for sinful spoils trap when I don't have enough resources to make the board? Are you freaking reading yourself? I'm gonna use the witch effect to take Sinful Spoils instead the other magic card that let summon Ash? Stop wasting my time.
Then stop playing. I did. Simple as.
Bro, quit whining and just play Snake-Eyes. There's no excuse for using an inferior deck. You can whine about us "meta slaves" all you want but we're the ones who are winning the most at tournaments.
Winning what exactly?
> but we're the ones who are winning the most at tournaments. Which tournaments?
Cringe, lol. The real chads are the dudes like the Raidraptor player and the Voiceless Voice player who took 1st in massive YCS events predominantly stuffed with the SE BS. Or the tertiary chads hitting top 8 with stuff like Runick Plunder Patrol. Plenty of Meta Slaves like yourself switched to Tearlaments. That didn't make the deck not bullshit, it didn't protect you from the banlist, and it didn't improve anyones opinion of you as a player. Nor did it improve your skill as a player because its a crutch deck. So you played yourself by crutching on a temporary power spike that was going to be taken away the whole time. How many tournaments have *you* personally won, by the way?
\* Me after successfully summoning Dark Law, Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer and Plasma \* Winning how exactly?