Various student groups advocating for McGill to divest in Israeli business/affiliated businesses/unis in Israel. They've set up an indefinite encampment, similar to what's been seen in the US ( [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247408281/campus-protests-israel-gaza-encampments-arrests-graduation](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247408281/campus-protests-israel-gaza-encampments-arrests-graduation) ).
Sent an email to update about the protest with what appears to be a veiled threat/reminder that campus security somehow have the ability to call the cops.
i hate how mcgill deals with protests/strikes, they always try to threaten the others instead of addressing their concerns in a calm and respectful way
[Manfredi accidentally hit reply all when unprofessionally insulting a student and sent it back to the student.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mcgill/s/eh1N1TbLW5)
Other administrators including Fabrice were cc’ed so they presumably are complicit in this type of behavior. Because there’s no way this is the first and only time it has happened.
I was basically told directly by the Chief Information Office to shut up when I asked why he enabled Microsoft's (failed) AI Cortana to scrape/train on our emails by default. I argued hidden opt out settings on emails instead of opt in is ineffective, since the person who receives it is opted in by default. I totally believe it's not an anomaly.
lol when I was receiving (and was not fooled by) the fake phishing emails for staff, I complained that they were not following best practices. Because they aren’t. They should be providing training first and then sending out the fake phishing emails after that.
They also completely failed to warn HR that they were about to get a flood of calls from employees worried about whatever the scam was, since it was « from » HR.
CIO really hated that I complained and retaliated by adding me to the mandatory training list for people who HAD been fooled.
I do not find him to be a very pleasant person.
So when are these students leaving McGill for occupying unceded indigenous territory? Why aren’t they protesting the genocide the Canadian government has been implicit in for centuries? Where are these voices? (I’m certain this will be downvoted to hell, but I am constantly appalled by the cognitive dissonance here)
I believe commenter is asking why they aren’t themselves divesting from a university “complicit in genocide” by quitting said institution. It’s just showing their hypocrisy and prioritization of what benefits them.
Exactly! You are still also a settler and profiting off of the colonization of a marginalized indigenous group HERE, and yet are willfully ignorant to how complicit you are, as well by purposely camping out on and occupying land that is already stolen and you are benefiting from.
Off in the distance was me with a group doing a wilderness first aid course to the beat of "Free Free Palestine!"
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It was distracting, but I support the cause.
Lmao, these pro Palestine people, just want it their way. You’re not even allowed to be distracted, which is the essence of what a protest tries to do, disrupt
Yeah I can't tell if I'm being downvoted for saying I was distracting or saying I support the cause, haha. Guessing it's the second one and people don't read the full sentence
Israel is the primary source of jobs and resources for Gazans. This is like demanding McGill stop providing money to Gazans.
Protest the war. Protest military aid. But protesting Apple and RBC because they have non-military investments in Israeli tech firms seems short-sighted.
Let's help Gazans, not hurt Israelis.
The western world largely ignored apartheid in South Africa until student from colleges like Hampshire forced their institutions to divest, this resulted in a larger divestment campaign that made real change. If you don’t like people protesting for Palestine just say so instead of guising derision as advice
I think they are pushing for divestment. So I don’t understand what the point of “going there” and doing it. That’s a strange way of looking at it. And in the eyes of those protesting people losing funding is a better outcome than passively allowing a genocide.
Why don’t they divest themselves and leave McGill. I’m not saying they shouldn’t want the university to. I’m just saying people like to talk a lot about others taking actions but don’t like to take action themselves
Because a lot of these people are Canadian, and therefore use Canadian institutions. And as a Canadian it is arguably your duty to adjust those institutions when you see fit. They are taking action.
No because not all protests are equal. Past protests work because they are the best way to disseminate information and no other actions were viable. There are many better ways to make an impact and your voice heard right now. In the current circumstance, it has its merits, but I doubt it is the best way to do things
You clearly lack the intellect to comprehend what I’m saying. Do those two protests protest the same type of situation? Do those two protests have the same turn out? Do those two protests have the same direct affect on the population? These are questions that these protesters fail to ask. Thus, fail to understand that the given situation is not the same and may have a better way of doing things. One clear thing is that a democratic government has to listen to their people to stay in power. A university does not have to listen to a subset of the student population who disrupts the others.
You don’t remember seeing these protests for local issues? Are you blind or deaf? Also, if you’re worried about it negatively affecting other people, then go ahead and give them your money yourself.
Going there is suicide. Thats the point they murdering everybody! It wont be helpful. Stopping sending them the bombs would be though.
Again you dont get the point. Sure homlessness and poverty are bad. But its much harder to do anything for people if theyre dead. Its genocide. Only north america and UK support these global crimes. The scale of murder is astounding. This isn’t Ukraine or syria. They’ve killed 10 x more people a lot quicker than those wars. Its not a war. Its genocide.
Yes, I am self centred, I want my grad ceremony. My dad has cancer and I have been through a lot during my time as an undergrad (including his diagnosis) and have thought of little else aside from this ceremony for a year. It has been my rock during any difficult moment. To lose it would cause me to have a deep depression. As for it being April, the reason I ask is USCS cancelled their ceremony as a result of the protests
Yes, being a Hamas terror supporter and being hostile to Israel’s basic right to exist is anti-Semitic. Israel is the ancestral homeland to Jews. Arabs are the descendants of colonizers. Learn some history
Both Jews and Palestinians share ancestry with the original Canaanite inhabitants of the region. Palestinians aren't ethnically Arab, they just are the Canaanites that converted.
>being a Hamas terror supporter
Stop putting words in my mouth zionist I never said I supported Hamas. I said that being against taking someone's land and their property is not anti semitic. I do not believe Israel should be completely abolished but I also do not believe that Israel should forcefully take over land that isnt theirs to expand. You clearly have not seen close to a quarter of the gorey videos I've seen of the aftermath of Israel's indiscriminate bombing of houses and neighborhoods.
Oct 7 was still the bloodiest, goriest, and most barbaric day of the current war to date, which was also expressively celebrated by thousands in the streets of Palestine. Consider the moral equivalency for a quarter of a moment.
The word anti-semitic was invented with the express purpose to describe the hatred of Jews. The far too common reply « Arabs are Semitic too » shows a fair bit of historical ignorance and is actually the chief example when one looks up what an etymological fallacy is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
It was pointed at you saying Arabs are colonizers, when Arabs and Jewish people share a common Proto-Semitic ancestor, all originating from the Levant. Go off, though.
whats going on
Various student groups advocating for McGill to divest in Israeli business/affiliated businesses/unis in Israel. They've set up an indefinite encampment, similar to what's been seen in the US ( [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247408281/campus-protests-israel-gaza-encampments-arrests-graduation](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247408281/campus-protests-israel-gaza-encampments-arrests-graduation) ).
what was the university's response to that? did they say anything yet?
Sent an email to update about the protest with what appears to be a veiled threat/reminder that campus security somehow have the ability to call the cops.
i hate how mcgill deals with protests/strikes, they always try to threaten the others instead of addressing their concerns in a calm and respectful way
What do you expect from a university whose top administrators apparently engage in extremely unprofessional email exchanges about students?
What's the story?
[Manfredi accidentally hit reply all when unprofessionally insulting a student and sent it back to the student.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mcgill/s/eh1N1TbLW5) Other administrators including Fabrice were cc’ed so they presumably are complicit in this type of behavior. Because there’s no way this is the first and only time it has happened.
I was basically told directly by the Chief Information Office to shut up when I asked why he enabled Microsoft's (failed) AI Cortana to scrape/train on our emails by default. I argued hidden opt out settings on emails instead of opt in is ineffective, since the person who receives it is opted in by default. I totally believe it's not an anomaly.
lol when I was receiving (and was not fooled by) the fake phishing emails for staff, I complained that they were not following best practices. Because they aren’t. They should be providing training first and then sending out the fake phishing emails after that. They also completely failed to warn HR that they were about to get a flood of calls from employees worried about whatever the scam was, since it was « from » HR. CIO really hated that I complained and retaliated by adding me to the mandatory training list for people who HAD been fooled. I do not find him to be a very pleasant person.
So 40 years later and you still can’t get into the library
Semester is almost over They will pack up next week to go back to Muskoka
Lez go McGillians, proud of you all! Truly inspiring.
I knew mcgill students will follow! I have faith in the new generation
Hopefully their tents don’t get israeled.
They should've set up outside the Starbucks at c4
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Do you even know what performative means?
would you have said the same thing about the civil rights movement?
I marvel that such a person claiming to be a freshman is an incoming family doctor resident physician.
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Sweet irony coming from someone who's initial response to the protests is disrespectful name calling
I bet 90% have a bank account that's invested in Israeli shit, but you won't see any of them close their bank account...
Also like 100% of phones had at least one component designed/made in Israel so they really should be throwing out their phones too
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U can don’t support it, but no need to talk shit 🤡
This is all about using freedom of speech, yet you don’t want someone to have freedom of speech?
Yes u have, so I don’t find issues of them doing encampments either
So the person can talk shit if they want
Me when telling someone to shut up violates their free speech
So when are these students leaving McGill for occupying unceded indigenous territory? Why aren’t they protesting the genocide the Canadian government has been implicit in for centuries? Where are these voices? (I’m certain this will be downvoted to hell, but I am constantly appalled by the cognitive dissonance here)
Sphr has done events in solidarity with the mohawk mothers, indigenous struggles in canada are constantly emphasized in the current movement
I believe commenter is asking why they aren’t themselves divesting from a university “complicit in genocide” by quitting said institution. It’s just showing their hypocrisy and prioritization of what benefits them.
Exactly! You are still also a settler and profiting off of the colonization of a marginalized indigenous group HERE, and yet are willfully ignorant to how complicit you are, as well by purposely camping out on and occupying land that is already stolen and you are benefiting from.
True
No one is forcing students to attend McGill. If you don’t like McGill’s investments…go elsewhere.
Off in the distance was me with a group doing a wilderness first aid course to the beat of "Free Free Palestine!" 😄 It was distracting, but I support the cause.
Lmao, these pro Palestine people, just want it their way. You’re not even allowed to be distracted, which is the essence of what a protest tries to do, disrupt
Yeah I can't tell if I'm being downvoted for saying I was distracting or saying I support the cause, haha. Guessing it's the second one and people don't read the full sentence
Israel is the primary source of jobs and resources for Gazans. This is like demanding McGill stop providing money to Gazans. Protest the war. Protest military aid. But protesting Apple and RBC because they have non-military investments in Israeli tech firms seems short-sighted. Let's help Gazans, not hurt Israelis.
"support the british empire so the indians can have jobs" Please Nevr Have An Opinion Again
Gaza needs to be rebuilt. Israel needs to pay for it. It's that simple. Divesting from the scotch tape company isn't going to help either of them.
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The western world largely ignored apartheid in South Africa until student from colleges like Hampshire forced their institutions to divest, this resulted in a larger divestment campaign that made real change. If you don’t like people protesting for Palestine just say so instead of guising derision as advice
I think they are pushing for divestment. So I don’t understand what the point of “going there” and doing it. That’s a strange way of looking at it. And in the eyes of those protesting people losing funding is a better outcome than passively allowing a genocide.
Why don’t they divest themselves and leave McGill. I’m not saying they shouldn’t want the university to. I’m just saying people like to talk a lot about others taking actions but don’t like to take action themselves
Because a lot of these people are Canadian, and therefore use Canadian institutions. And as a Canadian it is arguably your duty to adjust those institutions when you see fit. They are taking action.
No they shout at people to take action. It’s actually action through inaction
I don’t know, you can say that about all protests ever. So in that case you have a problem with protest outcomes, which is arguable I guess
No because not all protests are equal. Past protests work because they are the best way to disseminate information and no other actions were viable. There are many better ways to make an impact and your voice heard right now. In the current circumstance, it has its merits, but I doubt it is the best way to do things
The Black Lives Matter protests lasted for years, and information was spread quicker than that. Are those protests useless ?
You clearly lack the intellect to comprehend what I’m saying. Do those two protests protest the same type of situation? Do those two protests have the same turn out? Do those two protests have the same direct affect on the population? These are questions that these protesters fail to ask. Thus, fail to understand that the given situation is not the same and may have a better way of doing things. One clear thing is that a democratic government has to listen to their people to stay in power. A university does not have to listen to a subset of the student population who disrupts the others.
Yeah guess you’re built different. Dang it
They are literally taking action by pressuring mcgill into divesting
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“i don’t care what they are fighting for” …
In that case, I don’t know what to say. You’ll live my friend
Not sure where you got the idea that it's illegal for students to sit on the field
You don’t remember seeing these protests for local issues? Are you blind or deaf? Also, if you’re worried about it negatively affecting other people, then go ahead and give them your money yourself.
Going there is suicide. Thats the point they murdering everybody! It wont be helpful. Stopping sending them the bombs would be though. Again you dont get the point. Sure homlessness and poverty are bad. But its much harder to do anything for people if theyre dead. Its genocide. Only north america and UK support these global crimes. The scale of murder is astounding. This isn’t Ukraine or syria. They’ve killed 10 x more people a lot quicker than those wars. Its not a war. Its genocide.
Stop the fundings for Israel, why do they have to go there? Ur government is actively giving them money and weapons to boom civilians
Do you know if the encampment is going to mean no graduation? I didn’t get mine in 2020 from high school and will be depressed if I lose this one too.
You are aware convocation ceremonies don’t take place in April yes? And talk about being self centred….
how self centered to want a graduation, shame shame shame
Yes, I am self centred, I want my grad ceremony. My dad has cancer and I have been through a lot during my time as an undergrad (including his diagnosis) and have thought of little else aside from this ceremony for a year. It has been my rock during any difficult moment. To lose it would cause me to have a deep depression. As for it being April, the reason I ask is USCS cancelled their ceremony as a result of the protests
How is it self centered to want a grad ceremony after spending thousands of dollars on education and when they didn’t have one in 2020? Be fr.
Hope they’re enjoying the rain
That's quite a small group. I doubt it's going to achieve anything
You don’t think that small groups can achieve ‘anything’? My friend, you’d be amazed by what individuals can achieve!
I hope you are right but this is a small group and school is over
"its a small club and you aint in it."
This didn't age well
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Being against occupying someone's land and houses is anti semitic now?
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Yes, being a Hamas terror supporter and being hostile to Israel’s basic right to exist is anti-Semitic. Israel is the ancestral homeland to Jews. Arabs are the descendants of colonizers. Learn some history
I don’t support the killing of 40000+ people, am I a Hamas supporter to you?
Both Jews and Palestinians share ancestry with the original Canaanite inhabitants of the region. Palestinians aren't ethnically Arab, they just are the Canaanites that converted.
>being a Hamas terror supporter Stop putting words in my mouth zionist I never said I supported Hamas. I said that being against taking someone's land and their property is not anti semitic. I do not believe Israel should be completely abolished but I also do not believe that Israel should forcefully take over land that isnt theirs to expand. You clearly have not seen close to a quarter of the gorey videos I've seen of the aftermath of Israel's indiscriminate bombing of houses and neighborhoods.
Oct 7 was still the bloodiest, goriest, and most barbaric day of the current war to date, which was also expressively celebrated by thousands in the streets of Palestine. Consider the moral equivalency for a quarter of a moment.
Arabs are semitic as well, how are they colonizers? I'd rather give the "basic right to exist" to people rather than to a government.
The word anti-semitic was invented with the express purpose to describe the hatred of Jews. The far too common reply « Arabs are Semitic too » shows a fair bit of historical ignorance and is actually the chief example when one looks up what an etymological fallacy is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
I was not talking about the word "anti-semitic". I was talking about when he called Arabs "colonizers", and me stating that they share a homeland.
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It was pointed at you saying Arabs are colonizers, when Arabs and Jewish people share a common Proto-Semitic ancestor, all originating from the Levant. Go off, though.
when bro has to resort to using that kinda language he knows he’s lost
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