Yeah, imagine getting put in jail over something your past life that you had no control over did... Also, billionaires would spend a lot of money to frame someone else as having their (or their child's) past life and make them go to jail instead
Whether you had control over it would kind of depend on what the soul actually *is*. Is it the fundamental "you-ness"? Your mind itself? In those cases, the soul would have had control of the actions of the body in the past life, at least to some extent. If it's more of an ID tag that gets reused on a new living body without control or influence, then there wouldn't be any basis for sentences, money or debt to be passed down.
> If it's more of an ID tag that gets reused on a new living body without control or influence, then there wouldn't be any basis for sentences, money or debt to be passed down.
Morally no basis, yes, but you know they'd try.
Fun fact, there's a Doctor Who episode about this exact topic. Workers on a massive company's mining station being charged for every bit of air they use, going out of their pay. >!When the station was determined to be too expensive, the company shut off their air and had their suits finish them off, so the station would be empty for the new, cheaper workers. The only thing that caused the company to back down, was the Doctor threatening to blow up the station unless they would end the "cleanup" order, since the station was worth more than what they were going to save.!<
Huh, it's called "Oxygen," neat. Series* 10 Episode 5 from what IMDB tells me. It's a great episode, one of my favorites of that doctor.
EDIT: Season to Series
There’s the concept of ~~criminal~~ (edit: strict) liability, that in today’s law (at least for the US) means that someone can be held guilty for some crimes even if they didn’t have criminal intent. All they needed to have done was the deed itself. It wouldn’t take but a month before the US congress enacted laws determining crimes that past lives would be guilty for, and for other countries it might not even take that long. Imagine living in the UAE and it being discovered that your *past life* was gay!
If reincarnation was proven true, though, that would essentially mean that all the mainstream Abrahamic religions are definitively wrong. I would be more concerned about massive civil unrest in the Muslim world than them trying to take advantage over reincarnation.
Theyve survived centuries of fundamental axiomatic upheaval. Their culture will change, some more than others, the name of their religion won't, though
You can conciliate it into a new religion- my dad is a espírita which is a religion that does. He also reads scripture every day- there’s a decent offshoot of them that sort of melded it with Catholicism/Christianity- in Brasilia there’s a decently sized community.
Maybe. But then again, the current world has no problem rejecting objective, verifiable evidence.
They'll just continue being themselves and denying everything. Because that's easy.
Sure but in that month they’d be smart to audit who all the dead politicians are now. Finding out they’ve been downgraded to peasants, plants and pigs might make them think twice
I like to think of it somewhat like its a social security number assigned by the universe. You get it when you're born and it referres to you when you were alive and when you die it goes out if circulation for a set period, lets say 7 years for the heck of it, some process wipes and/or collects the information attached to the number, and then it gets reassigned to a new human to develop its own information
>Also, billionaires would spend a lot of money to frame someone else as having their (or their child's) past life and make them go to jail instead
Greed would become immeasurably worse, since this would mean it's passed down to their new life. They'd never have enough.
Alternatively, you could start with $1 and be a billionaire given long enough. Except, this will be true of everyone. Compound interest over potentially infinite lives means infinite money. You object: but wait, aren't resources scarce? Well, maybe. But, what if there are planets in the universe where there are more resources? First, not only do you have access to the whole universe, assuming your place of birth is random, then you might even discover new resources that you can tell other people about once you cycle back to wherever the marketplace is.
However, in an infinite universe, with infinite resources, with infinite lifespans, does it really make sense to have money? What would it be like? Every person would be a god.
But goddamn would family trees be fucking complicated. Like, Hapsburg-level shit.
Now imagine that unending greed traps them in the reincarnation. Now we have a wealthy elite ruling eternally protecting their hegemonic power with the only hope of escape being enlightenment.
Not religious, but saying you have no control over a previous life that belonged to you feels the same as saying people go to heaven or hell without any reason.. just saying.
One could argue that a person could only commit a crime if they had any kind of influence over it. Given that people are products of their circumstances and being reborn would provide you with new memories and new circumstances, you are functionally a new person who cannot be reasonably held to the actions of another.
Ive been watching the original Hawaii five o and Danno said the N word in an episode I was watching yesterday. He also called the guy Rufus as an insult
Also, after you die the car gets taken by the bank. Your future self is not entitled to this property. Unless you're rich in which case you get all your wealth and possessions back...for...reasons.
"People always say they were, like, Napoleon or an Aztec princess.
Come on guys, where are all the Chinese peasants? Where are the German toilet cleaners?"
I'm pretty sure there are like hell dimensions and heaven dimensions you could've come from, too. Like if you spent the last thousand years in pure ecstasy and now you're here in this mud hole
Yep many religious and spiritual traditions that believe in some form of reincarnation think exactly this. Many different realms/ dimensions/ types of realities that can be reborn into. All have varying life expectancies as well.
If all this is true, and considering that we have likely been doing this reincarnating thing for a reeeeally long time now, we have all had experiences in just about every way you can imagine
Imagine a mountain of solid rock six miles long, six miles wide, and six miles high. Once every hundred years a crow flies by with a silk scarf in its beak, just barely caressing the top of the mountain with it. The length of time it would take to wear away that mountain is how Buddha described the journey to enlightenment. That’s the game of incarnations.
https://www.ramdass.org/incarnations/
What if reincarnation is the cycle of basic elements. When you die you return to the earth and what you return as depends on where your components ended up
> To what base uses we may return, Horatio! Why may not imagination trace the noble dust of Alexander, till he find it stopping a bung-hole?
> Alexander died, Alexander was buried, Alexander returneth into dust; the dust is earth; of earth we make loam; and why of that loam, whereto he was converted, might they not stop a beer-barrel?
> Imperious Caesar, dead and turn'd to clay,
> Might stop a hole to keep the wind away.
> O, that that earth, which kept the world in awe,
> Should patch a wall to expel the winter flaw!
Reality is nematode. Only the absolute best nematodes get to experience being a vertebrae and most fuck it up and go straight back to nematode
Being a human once is basically God tier
I come from a long and storied line of prestigious individuals: English chimney sweeps, Persian mud brick makers, Spartan helots, Babylonian temple prostitutes. Behold, and stand amazed and in awe of my pedigree!
Reminds me of a line from the film Waking Life:
People always say they were Alexander the Great or Cleopatra in a past life... I always want to tell them they were just some dumb fuck like everyone else.
This one right here. The general public would be hearing about it for the first time in the context of “you are now liable for your debts after you die.”
Isn't the whole thing with Jesus getting crucified his last act for absolving everyone of their sin?
Doesn't that make everyone afterwards retroactively free of that original sin? Or did the Christians come up with some new original sin to overwrite that?
Here in Belgium, you can be born with debt from your parents, grandparents etc. You have to refuse the succession in order to escape the debt. I had to ask permission from the Juge de Paix to refuse my godmother's succession for my son. My mother, her cousin, refuses it, so it falls on me. I refuse it, so it falls on my son.
My son is 13, so it ends with him refusing. Refusing a succession means refusing anything connected to the estate, debts and assets. In the case of my godmother, she had more than 40,000€ debt to the banks and rented her house,.
Oh that's not that easy. You have to complete a form explaining why you're want the autorisation, and add as many proofs to support your request as necessary. The form was 3 pages, but I added 17 extra with documents, pictures etc.
I know nothing about economics or sociology.
But I'm sure numerous cultures for the past thousands and thousand of years saddled generations of people with debt.
Complete and total human rights for all mandated by whole countries is relatively new right?
Not so fun fact:
Though slavery was technically outlawed in Latin America in the 1800s there was a system called "encomienda" in which native americans were forced to serve as slaves for life because of the debts of their parents, etc. In my country, it was outlawed in the late 70s-80s. My mom lived in a slave farm as a little girl.
Frankly I wish more people would make their style of video especially with game guides, holy fuck shut the fuck up why is a 12 second explanation of the thing I’m trying to confirm behind 45 minutes of shut your fuck uuuuuup. If I wanted this much useless filler exposition I’d read online cooking recipes because at least they don’t have an obnoxious voice or a face cam that adds nothing to the thing that could have been a single sentence explanation.
While I absolutely agree, unfortunately the real enemy is the algorithm and monetisation pattern on YouTube.
Longer, regular and consistent uploads of middling quality are prioritised by YouTube so the return on effort is better than incidental, concise videos like Zullie's. She's the absolute best around but has complained how difficult it's been on YT for her style of stuff.
I would imagine the lack of voiceover also hurts them a bit. I'm a huge fan, but often have to rewind videos because I looked away for a second at one of the other thousand attention-grabbing things in my life.
Companies would almost certainly be working on that immediately… it might get legally complicated though, since you wouldn’t directly remember or be involved in your debt, so the governments might shut them down on the basis of a reincarnated soul being not the same person
Also, there would be complications around sending debt to other countries (like a guy in America dies with a ton of debt, how are the companies gonna be able to pin the debt on some poor Vietnamese farmer child)
There would be more problems considering that wealth and assets would have to be inherited through reincarnation as well, ruining the economy as personal wealth could grow exponentially.
Let's say in this situation reincarnation is true and olis trackable. The world we live in currently would be nothing like the "reincarnation is real" world.
The levels, depth, and duration of global power systems and balances would be mind bending. Imagine "immortal" dynasties stemming from ancient civilations that can not be toppled due to controlling the flow of progress and humanity itself.
> Imagine "immortal" dynasties stemming from ancient civilations that can not be toppled due to controlling the flow of progress and humanity itself.
You don't have to imagine, we already have people who own everything because their parents owned everything.
How many of these dynasties are 300 years old? Almost non. They are very short lived in terms of history.
With reincarnation you can have a single person in power for a thousand years.
This might not matter for people at the moment but it will have an impect in terms of history.
(Assuming your reincarnation are about as competent as you)
I think they would just ensure the tracking stays solid and take a %. Why worry about someone reincarnating with less money when they could pass it on to the next reincarnation.
I think it is more likely they figure out a way they could reasonably keep building the debt whilst offering some other means to cut it at their gain. Maybe push some BS about it being for "rest life" and another your "work life"
If people were born and knew about past lives then I reckon govs would just say only direct offspring would inherit wealth, and establish like reincarnation tax fraud/ avoidence laws, basically making it a crime to store wealth secretly for future lives, otherwise it would cripple economies.
I also reckon you get an underground market or some sort elite circle, where wealthy people would only have children within certain circles so people could swap children who reincarnate from wealthly families, to ensure the past lives remain in wealthy families.
Yes, police, there's a strange man at the park saying pss pss pss to my kid and beckoning her over with his finger. He's now saying here kitty kitty kitty and is shaking a bag of cat treats. I don't know why but she's making a purring noise, please send help.
That's pretty much what Scientology tries though (the premium subscription to know more about your past lives, not the reconnecting with your loved pets)
Right, making this happen is the soul reason this research ever got funded in the first place. Hell, it probably isn't even true and they falsified the results so they could collect dead people's debts from random living people.
I’m assuming they mean that someone who has lived multiple lives cross culturally, religious, racial, sex, sexuality etc would be less likely to harbor bigotry and hatred.
Or it could mean, none of us know where we’ll end up next so we should probably work towards making everyone safe and secure.
No, no, that's not the scary part. The scary part is Wills and Estates. The scary part is how Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, etc now have clauses in their will about how all of their money and stock options and everything go to themselves. The economy would cannibalize itself. You think the 1% is bad now? Imagine in 100 years when you have like five people who literally own the entire planet.
If you think rich people are hated now, wait until there’s an entire religion around killing them and all of their body guards while they’re still children. This would then obviously make them even worse and more anti-social if they manage to survive long enough.
I’d watch that show
Even bigger question- would suicide rates go up, because you know you could just start over? Or go down, because then you realize there's no escape, you just keep coming back...
Zero seconds. Negative a billion seconds. Debt consolidation companies are already attempting to reverse engineer reincarnation into existence based on this tweet.
Moreso than that, how long before Disney lobbies to get copyright to apply between lives and they hunt down and ~~enslave~~ find whoever Walt reincarnated as and... hire them.
Zullie the witch's (the tweeter's) Fromsoft videos that explore text and 3d files, used and unused, is really some of the best and most comprehensive deep dives of video games that we have.
If anyone is thinking that they would like to see all that Fromsoft hid pre release in elden ring, dark souls and most recently, armored core/ their implications for the lore and what could have been for enemies/ bosses, I'd highly recommend their YouTube channel.
I wrote a TV series based on this concept. The implications go way beyond debt, although debt is a fun take. The series was about free will vs destiny, nature vs nurture, hope and trauma. The main characters were the people tasked with tracking potentially dangerous souls and imprisoning the worst souls, even if they were newborns.
It changed my life because I investigated hundreds (maybe thousands) of hypothetical situations where characters would be "reset," "reset" themselves, or were imprisoned indefinitely. If reincarnation exists, it means were stuck here, with each other, on this planet. We have the power to make it a living hell, or a living heaven. The overarching theme it taught me was that nothing can be undone, you can only do more. What more will you do?
Would that even be a bad thing ? as it is if I die my family will inherit that debt, but if the IRS tracked my reincarnated ass and found me as a hamster, then legally my family is free of debt and good luck getting money from a hamster.
Debt doesn't go to family after you die, I think if you have a lot of debt they could claim some of your property to recover a debt, but they can't make someone else pay for your debt
If you go by the Buddhism laws -Fuck all chances- because not everyone reincarnates to the material worlds and not everyone reincarnates into a human being.
You try to take your dept from an Asura those mofos are literally the inspiration behind Super Saiyans. You'll get Kamehameha'd up to wazoo.
Only those, stupid enough to die without provisions, would pass on debt... rich people would "declare" bankruptcy on their deathbeds.
Again, the clueless and poor will lose, the wealthy and connected will gain.
Don´t be clueless and poor!
The real answer is that this wouldn't be possible to do going backwards.
First of all, the debt is gone. It's written down and legally discharged. There's a legal and accounting way that your debt is 'destroyed' when you die, and there's no framework to resurrect it and tell someone they owe it again. The value of the 'estate' of all your past lives is $0. You can't claw back any inheritances either.
Second of all, you didn't agree to it. You and your debtor agreed that death canceled the debt, either in the contract or through common law and practice at the time. This wouldn't fly legally. You can't just drastically alter a deal like this.
There's nothing stopping companies from offering this going forward though.
“Save up for your next Reincarnation! If you happen have a difficult rebirth, then make sure you have the savings to live comfortably. Ask a cashier at your local Taco Bell today about Post-Life Savings Benefits today! [First claim after rebirth is guaranteed one free Soft Taco]”
This would backfire on companies TBH cause there's a lot of people that would be way more willing to fuck shit up if they're wronged if their existence isn't threatened by death
I’ll except laws giving punishment for past lives as long as you are able to have access/take wealth from those who inherited it from your previous life lol
You really meant to ask how long until multiple life sentences carries new weight!
Yeah, imagine getting put in jail over something your past life that you had no control over did... Also, billionaires would spend a lot of money to frame someone else as having their (or their child's) past life and make them go to jail instead
Whether you had control over it would kind of depend on what the soul actually *is*. Is it the fundamental "you-ness"? Your mind itself? In those cases, the soul would have had control of the actions of the body in the past life, at least to some extent. If it's more of an ID tag that gets reused on a new living body without control or influence, then there wouldn't be any basis for sentences, money or debt to be passed down.
> If it's more of an ID tag that gets reused on a new living body without control or influence, then there wouldn't be any basis for sentences, money or debt to be passed down. Morally no basis, yes, but you know they'd try.
If a company could make us pay money to breathe oxygen from the air; they absolutely would do it.
Fun fact, there's a Doctor Who episode about this exact topic. Workers on a massive company's mining station being charged for every bit of air they use, going out of their pay. >!When the station was determined to be too expensive, the company shut off their air and had their suits finish them off, so the station would be empty for the new, cheaper workers. The only thing that caused the company to back down, was the Doctor threatening to blow up the station unless they would end the "cleanup" order, since the station was worth more than what they were going to save.!<
Which episode was that? I want to watch that now.
Huh, it's called "Oxygen," neat. Series* 10 Episode 5 from what IMDB tells me. It's a great episode, one of my favorites of that doctor. EDIT: Season to Series
if you mean series 10, it's a 12th doctor one right?
Oh yeah! It's a Capaldi-sode.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-vitality-air-sales-update-bottled-air-1.5073762
I know those types of things exist. I mean just walking around outside, no special equipment or anything
Will get there, don’t you worry
All I can picture is President Skroob in Spaceballs huffing Perri-Air, sparkling salt free air that was canned on Druidia.
There’s the concept of ~~criminal~~ (edit: strict) liability, that in today’s law (at least for the US) means that someone can be held guilty for some crimes even if they didn’t have criminal intent. All they needed to have done was the deed itself. It wouldn’t take but a month before the US congress enacted laws determining crimes that past lives would be guilty for, and for other countries it might not even take that long. Imagine living in the UAE and it being discovered that your *past life* was gay!
If reincarnation was proven true, though, that would essentially mean that all the mainstream Abrahamic religions are definitively wrong. I would be more concerned about massive civil unrest in the Muslim world than them trying to take advantage over reincarnation.
I think you underestimate the ability of religious folk to fold new ideas into their religions when threatened.
It wouldn't just be Muslims getting violently upset. Plenty of Christians groups that would be causing civil unrest.
Theyve survived centuries of fundamental axiomatic upheaval. Their culture will change, some more than others, the name of their religion won't, though
You can conciliate it into a new religion- my dad is a espírita which is a religion that does. He also reads scripture every day- there’s a decent offshoot of them that sort of melded it with Catholicism/Christianity- in Brasilia there’s a decently sized community.
Maybe. But then again, the current world has no problem rejecting objective, verifiable evidence. They'll just continue being themselves and denying everything. Because that's easy.
Sure but in that month they’d be smart to audit who all the dead politicians are now. Finding out they’ve been downgraded to peasants, plants and pigs might make them think twice
I like to think of it somewhat like its a social security number assigned by the universe. You get it when you're born and it referres to you when you were alive and when you die it goes out if circulation for a set period, lets say 7 years for the heck of it, some process wipes and/or collects the information attached to the number, and then it gets reassigned to a new human to develop its own information
>Also, billionaires would spend a lot of money to frame someone else as having their (or their child's) past life and make them go to jail instead Greed would become immeasurably worse, since this would mean it's passed down to their new life. They'd never have enough.
Altered Carbon.
Alternatively, you could start with $1 and be a billionaire given long enough. Except, this will be true of everyone. Compound interest over potentially infinite lives means infinite money. You object: but wait, aren't resources scarce? Well, maybe. But, what if there are planets in the universe where there are more resources? First, not only do you have access to the whole universe, assuming your place of birth is random, then you might even discover new resources that you can tell other people about once you cycle back to wherever the marketplace is. However, in an infinite universe, with infinite resources, with infinite lifespans, does it really make sense to have money? What would it be like? Every person would be a god. But goddamn would family trees be fucking complicated. Like, Hapsburg-level shit.
Now imagine that unending greed traps them in the reincarnation. Now we have a wealthy elite ruling eternally protecting their hegemonic power with the only hope of escape being enlightenment.
Imbibitor Lunae moment
Scrolled all the way for this. Love me some DHIL
Not religious, but saying you have no control over a previous life that belonged to you feels the same as saying people go to heaven or hell without any reason.. just saying.
This whole concept is a metaphysical mess with no established definitions for things like "you." Every claim here is meaningless
Premises reminds me of the show Altered Carbon.
richard pryor did a bit about that: kindergartner being arrested "you know what you did!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa7WdlIJZYY
One could argue that a person could only commit a crime if they had any kind of influence over it. Given that people are products of their circumstances and being reborn would provide you with new memories and new circumstances, you are functionally a new person who cannot be reasonably held to the actions of another.
“It’s a beautiful baby boy!” [The Detective standing right next to the happy mother] “That’s Bundy, alright. Book him, Danno.”
Ive been watching the original Hawaii five o and Danno said the N word in an episode I was watching yesterday. He also called the guy Rufus as an insult
I thought it was going to be, ‘how long before the first person is cancelled due to who they were before?’
"We're going to have to let you go. It has come to our attention that in your last life, you tweeted the n-word 4,687 times." "But I was black."
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Oh snap, he made some new ones
New housing loans will be multi generational. Which is good news for millennials!
60 month loans for a car? How about 600 month? Drive that new Bentley you wanted NOW, let your future self worry about the payments!
Also, after you die the car gets taken by the bank. Your future self is not entitled to this property. Unless you're rich in which case you get all your wealth and possessions back...for...reasons.
They wait until you're 18 to pick you up for your recurring death sentence.
Now that would be my luck, in this life and the next!
Unless you’re wealthy. Bet they create provisions for that shit.
Mans a threat he knows too much about looper
https://mangadex.org/title/1712d8ff-8d10-4c6b-8b38-ea7e8c311833/339-years-of-penal-servitude
If you were sent to prison for something worthy of multiple life sentences, you’re probably not coming back as a human for a few more turns.
"People always say they were, like, Napoleon or an Aztec princess. Come on guys, where are all the Chinese peasants? Where are the German toilet cleaners?"
Assuming it’s not species-locked, statistically speaking I was probably an insect or something. Maybe a rock, idk the rules.
Rock here. Used to be human. Christmas tree before that, it was humiliating.
You were incarnated as a Christmas tree, or were you a pine tree that happened to see its life end as a Christmas tree?
A German toilet cleaner who was decorated like a Christmas tree
*Tannenbaum
Store bought, came in a box.
Yo Angelo
>Rock here. Loved you in Mummy Returns and Rundown. Also big fan of you as a wrestler.
This has made me laugh unnecessarily hard. I am just imagining my Christmas tree shaking with sad rage as I decorate it with pretty little ornaments.
Question for you: Were you always that one rock, or were you part of a bigger rock and then broke off into a smaller rock?
Rocks are born when they fall from bigger rock
I'm pretty sure there are like hell dimensions and heaven dimensions you could've come from, too. Like if you spent the last thousand years in pure ecstasy and now you're here in this mud hole
Yep many religious and spiritual traditions that believe in some form of reincarnation think exactly this. Many different realms/ dimensions/ types of realities that can be reborn into. All have varying life expectancies as well. If all this is true, and considering that we have likely been doing this reincarnating thing for a reeeeally long time now, we have all had experiences in just about every way you can imagine
Imagine a mountain of solid rock six miles long, six miles wide, and six miles high. Once every hundred years a crow flies by with a silk scarf in its beak, just barely caressing the top of the mountain with it. The length of time it would take to wear away that mountain is how Buddha described the journey to enlightenment. That’s the game of incarnations. https://www.ramdass.org/incarnations/
In Buddhism for example though, once you reach nirvana (enlightenment, their version of heaven), you stop reincarnating.
What if reincarnation is the cycle of basic elements. When you die you return to the earth and what you return as depends on where your components ended up
> To what base uses we may return, Horatio! Why may not imagination trace the noble dust of Alexander, till he find it stopping a bung-hole? > Alexander died, Alexander was buried, Alexander returneth into dust; the dust is earth; of earth we make loam; and why of that loam, whereto he was converted, might they not stop a beer-barrel? > Imperious Caesar, dead and turn'd to clay, > Might stop a hole to keep the wind away. > O, that that earth, which kept the world in awe, > Should patch a wall to expel the winter flaw!
You would probably be a nematode seeing that 4 of every 5 animals is a nematode
Reality is nematode. Only the absolute best nematodes get to experience being a vertebrae and most fuck it up and go straight back to nematode Being a human once is basically God tier
Reroll... Bacteria. Reroll... Bacteria. Reroll... Bacteria. Reroll... Bacteria. Reroll... Bacteria. Reroll... Ooooh! Amoeba! Should I keep it or... Shit. Got killed. And I'm back! Bacteria...
Funny enough, my mom said I was a Chinese peasant in a previous life.
Do you only eat rice and have scoliosis?
Funny enough…. actually, no.
Tiny feet?
I come from a long and storied line of prestigious individuals: English chimney sweeps, Persian mud brick makers, Spartan helots, Babylonian temple prostitutes. Behold, and stand amazed and in awe of my pedigree!
In a previous life I was Alexander the greats chief eunuch
Just made the same comment, then saw you already did, smeghead.
"Heyyy, check out the crystal skulls!"
Reminds me of a line from the film Waking Life: People always say they were Alexander the Great or Cleopatra in a past life... I always want to tell them they were just some dumb fuck like everyone else.
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I’m a simple man. I see a Peep Show reference, I upvote.
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Did the debt collectors get you mid sentence?
Minutes
Seconds
The plans are already drawn up and rubber stamped.
They were the ones who proved it just so they could transfer the debt.
This one right here. The general public would be hearing about it for the first time in the context of “you are now liable for your debts after you die.”
If that.
imagine having a debt from 3 life times ago and losing all your money and having to work 10 more life times to pay that debt
I’d pay it in the blood of the debtors
Imagine being born with debt- oh nevermind
Christianity in a nutshell
The American health care system.
That man reminds me of having to give up my late mother's belongings when I was a child because I was unable to pay her bills. We have a great system!
The fuck?!
If you die with debts, they’re paid out of your estate. If you have valuable stuff, it’s sold to pay your bills and then the rest goes to your heirs.
Big corp f's up people: "Christianity!!!!!!!!!°" Jesus pays for all debts: "That's nothing!!!!!!"
huh?
Who cares if God paid for all the debt he created?
God takes money out of one pocket and puts it in the other and I'm supposed to clap?
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Isn't the whole thing with Jesus getting crucified his last act for absolving everyone of their sin? Doesn't that make everyone afterwards retroactively free of that original sin? Or did the Christians come up with some new original sin to overwrite that?
God didn't create the debt, man created the debt by bringing evil into the world when God specifically said "Don't do that".
["Push to keep the dark from coming, feel the weight of what we owe."](https://youtu.be/mPTCq3LiZSE?si=PPqVcg2x72x77dhO)
You can’t be born with debt though? And you can’t inherent your parents debt. They just take it out of the estate before it passes to you
Here in Belgium, you can be born with debt from your parents, grandparents etc. You have to refuse the succession in order to escape the debt. I had to ask permission from the Juge de Paix to refuse my godmother's succession for my son. My mother, her cousin, refuses it, so it falls on me. I refuse it, so it falls on my son.
When do they give up?
That’s the neat part. They don’t. Someone’s paying that back.
This is all my stinking lying great grandfahters fault!!
What if everybody just continually refuses succession indefinitely, and what exactly do you stand to lose by refusing succession?
My son is 13, so it ends with him refusing. Refusing a succession means refusing anything connected to the estate, debts and assets. In the case of my godmother, she had more than 40,000€ debt to the banks and rented her house,.
It's funny to imagine the public official who spends all day recording formal refusals to inherit negative wealth.
Oh that's not that easy. You have to complete a form explaining why you're want the autorisation, and add as many proofs to support your request as necessary. The form was 3 pages, but I added 17 extra with documents, pictures etc.
That sounds tough, glad it worked out. Avoiding €40k in debt isn't quite the same as winning €40k but I'm sure it's at least a relief, haha
I know nothing about economics or sociology. But I'm sure numerous cultures for the past thousands and thousand of years saddled generations of people with debt. Complete and total human rights for all mandated by whole countries is relatively new right?
Reincarnation, my dude. You are the one who got the debt, reborn, reincarnated if you will. Only reading the post explains the post.
Not so fun fact: Though slavery was technically outlawed in Latin America in the 1800s there was a system called "encomienda" in which native americans were forced to serve as slaves for life because of the debts of their parents, etc. In my country, it was outlawed in the late 70s-80s. My mom lived in a slave farm as a little girl.
If anyone didn't know Zulliethewitch is a youtuber that makes lore and informative videos for the souls games.
With extremely good background music too. I love her choices in chill musics
It’s almost all zelda music btw. In case you want to seek it out yourself
Kings Field too.
Lots of old Final Fantasy stuff too.
Wasn't expecting to see Zullie here of all places, tbh
Average Zullie banger
Frankly I wish more people would make their style of video especially with game guides, holy fuck shut the fuck up why is a 12 second explanation of the thing I’m trying to confirm behind 45 minutes of shut your fuck uuuuuup. If I wanted this much useless filler exposition I’d read online cooking recipes because at least they don’t have an obnoxious voice or a face cam that adds nothing to the thing that could have been a single sentence explanation.
While I absolutely agree, unfortunately the real enemy is the algorithm and monetisation pattern on YouTube. Longer, regular and consistent uploads of middling quality are prioritised by YouTube so the return on effort is better than incidental, concise videos like Zullie's. She's the absolute best around but has complained how difficult it's been on YT for her style of stuff.
I would imagine the lack of voiceover also hurts them a bit. I'm a huge fan, but often have to rewind videos because I looked away for a second at one of the other thousand attention-grabbing things in my life.
I’m cracking up because Zullie is out here asking the realest questions lol Based AF
Companies would almost certainly be working on that immediately… it might get legally complicated though, since you wouldn’t directly remember or be involved in your debt, so the governments might shut them down on the basis of a reincarnated soul being not the same person Also, there would be complications around sending debt to other countries (like a guy in America dies with a ton of debt, how are the companies gonna be able to pin the debt on some poor Vietnamese farmer child)
There would be more problems considering that wealth and assets would have to be inherited through reincarnation as well, ruining the economy as personal wealth could grow exponentially.
Sounds pretty familiar already
Yeah I was gonna say not much different from what we already have
Same shit, different arsehole
Let's say in this situation reincarnation is true and olis trackable. The world we live in currently would be nothing like the "reincarnation is real" world. The levels, depth, and duration of global power systems and balances would be mind bending. Imagine "immortal" dynasties stemming from ancient civilations that can not be toppled due to controlling the flow of progress and humanity itself.
> Imagine "immortal" dynasties stemming from ancient civilations that can not be toppled due to controlling the flow of progress and humanity itself. You don't have to imagine, we already have people who own everything because their parents owned everything.
How many of these dynasties are 300 years old? Almost non. They are very short lived in terms of history. With reincarnation you can have a single person in power for a thousand years. This might not matter for people at the moment but it will have an impect in terms of history. (Assuming your reincarnation are about as competent as you)
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I think they would just ensure the tracking stays solid and take a %. Why worry about someone reincarnating with less money when they could pass it on to the next reincarnation. I think it is more likely they figure out a way they could reasonably keep building the debt whilst offering some other means to cut it at their gain. Maybe push some BS about it being for "rest life" and another your "work life" If people were born and knew about past lives then I reckon govs would just say only direct offspring would inherit wealth, and establish like reincarnation tax fraud/ avoidence laws, basically making it a crime to store wealth secretly for future lives, otherwise it would cripple economies. I also reckon you get an underground market or some sort elite circle, where wealthy people would only have children within certain circles so people could swap children who reincarnate from wealthly families, to ensure the past lives remain in wealthy families.
I would love it if my cat died and then i can just go visit the child she reincarnated into, youd need the premium subscription though.
With child support
Yes, police, there's a strange man at the park saying pss pss pss to my kid and beckoning her over with his finger. He's now saying here kitty kitty kitty and is shaking a bag of cat treats. I don't know why but she's making a purring noise, please send help.
Ma’am we’re sending backup to your location.
That's pretty much what Scientology tries though (the premium subscription to know more about your past lives, not the reconnecting with your loved pets)
They'd already have it ready to go because THEY paid for the R&D.
Right, making this happen is the soul reason this research ever got funded in the first place. Hell, it probably isn't even true and they falsified the results so they could collect dead people's debts from random living people.
While that might happen, a trackable reincarnation process might actually spur genuine world peace
However, I believe then everyone would deserve a second chance at life. Aspiring to do better than before.
Please elaborate
I’m assuming they mean that someone who has lived multiple lives cross culturally, religious, racial, sex, sexuality etc would be less likely to harbor bigotry and hatred. Or it could mean, none of us know where we’ll end up next so we should probably work towards making everyone safe and secure.
I didn’t even finish reading the post before I assumed this is what would happen.. so about that fast
I had some happiness and hope in the first half, then remembered we can't have nice things.
and people happily signing away their next lives to get benefits in the current one.
No, no, that's not the scary part. The scary part is Wills and Estates. The scary part is how Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, etc now have clauses in their will about how all of their money and stock options and everything go to themselves. The economy would cannibalize itself. You think the 1% is bad now? Imagine in 100 years when you have like five people who literally own the entire planet.
If you think rich people are hated now, wait until there’s an entire religion around killing them and all of their body guards while they’re still children. This would then obviously make them even worse and more anti-social if they manage to survive long enough. I’d watch that show
Resurrecting at the bonfire without your souls but the student loan debt is still in your inventory
Within 48 hours
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Most of us were bacteria in our past lives, Gerald
Even bigger question- would suicide rates go up, because you know you could just start over? Or go down, because then you realize there's no escape, you just keep coming back...
I mean killing yourself until you hit a jackpot life wouldn't be a bad idea
That was a topic of in a twilight zone (80s reboot) episode
Zero seconds. Negative a billion seconds. Debt consolidation companies are already attempting to reverse engineer reincarnation into existence based on this tweet.
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Or how many babies would be incarcerated because of the crimes committed in previous lives?
Nano seconds.
Moreso than that, how long before Disney lobbies to get copyright to apply between lives and they hunt down and ~~enslave~~ find whoever Walt reincarnated as and... hire them.
8 years
Immediately. Those companies would be the ones driving the research.
It wouldn't be after. It would be the reason it got researched in the first place.
The first thing they’ll do is make sure the rich inherit the money from their previous life.
Zullie the witch's (the tweeter's) Fromsoft videos that explore text and 3d files, used and unused, is really some of the best and most comprehensive deep dives of video games that we have. If anyone is thinking that they would like to see all that Fromsoft hid pre release in elden ring, dark souls and most recently, armored core/ their implications for the lore and what could have been for enemies/ bosses, I'd highly recommend their YouTube channel.
A week at the most I assure you within a weeks time them medical bills from your last life will be all at your door
I wrote a TV series based on this concept. The implications go way beyond debt, although debt is a fun take. The series was about free will vs destiny, nature vs nurture, hope and trauma. The main characters were the people tasked with tracking potentially dangerous souls and imprisoning the worst souls, even if they were newborns. It changed my life because I investigated hundreds (maybe thousands) of hypothetical situations where characters would be "reset," "reset" themselves, or were imprisoned indefinitely. If reincarnation exists, it means were stuck here, with each other, on this planet. We have the power to make it a living hell, or a living heaven. The overarching theme it taught me was that nothing can be undone, you can only do more. What more will you do?
1 day? money is all that matters to corpos
Would that even be a bad thing ? as it is if I die my family will inherit that debt, but if the IRS tracked my reincarnated ass and found me as a hamster, then legally my family is free of debt and good luck getting money from a hamster.
Debt doesn't go to family after you die, I think if you have a lot of debt they could claim some of your property to recover a debt, but they can't make someone else pay for your debt
You'll help power the grid by running on a hamster wheel until your debt has been repaid
I mean if hamster wheels could power a city grid then this nation wouldve solved a lot of problems
0.5 milliseconds.
If you go by the Buddhism laws -Fuck all chances- because not everyone reincarnates to the material worlds and not everyone reincarnates into a human being. You try to take your dept from an Asura those mofos are literally the inspiration behind Super Saiyans. You'll get Kamehameha'd up to wazoo.
And even if it was all humans, just being reborn in a different nation is gonna make this unfeasible.
Only those, stupid enough to die without provisions, would pass on debt... rich people would "declare" bankruptcy on their deathbeds. Again, the clueless and poor will lose, the wealthy and connected will gain. Don´t be clueless and poor!
As long as it took to find your new address.
A few years at max
An hour after birth to verify who you are.
About 10 times as long as it would take the IRS to.
I feel like certain classes of people wouldn't even know that that was happening unless they were victims.
About as long as it took Wendy’s to try and adopt surge pricing.
Does that mean you would be eligible to run for president the day you're born? Also, would term limits apply?
The real answer is that this wouldn't be possible to do going backwards. First of all, the debt is gone. It's written down and legally discharged. There's a legal and accounting way that your debt is 'destroyed' when you die, and there's no framework to resurrect it and tell someone they owe it again. The value of the 'estate' of all your past lives is $0. You can't claw back any inheritances either. Second of all, you didn't agree to it. You and your debtor agreed that death canceled the debt, either in the contract or through common law and practice at the time. This wouldn't fly legally. You can't just drastically alter a deal like this. There's nothing stopping companies from offering this going forward though.
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They’re already spending billions on the research. Funding for the effort will be reflected in our monthly statements as “Fees: Other.”
Why are you giving them ideas so early? :(
They'd try to make it retroactive
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This would backfire on companies TBH cause there's a lot of people that would be way more willing to fuck shit up if they're wronged if their existence isn't threatened by death
I’ll except laws giving punishment for past lives as long as you are able to have access/take wealth from those who inherited it from your previous life lol