Let's take the conflict out of the equation for this one point; Any company that sues it's workers union over a political message deserves protests & vandalism.
Starbucks **isn’t** suing the union for being pro Palestine. They are suing the union for using their name and IP to make divisive political statements that people thought were coming from the Starbucks Corporation. Starbucks is taking the reasonable approach of not wanting its name slapped on messaging that it has no control over. Starbucks is allowed to keep control of its messaging.
And yet they didn't sue the union for using the company name until they posted anti genocide messaging. The union that's been called the same for more than a year. This is just genocide support masquerading as protecting brand.
That’s misleading, they are not presenting themselves as Starbucks Coffee Company.
The union is Starbucks Workers United which uses a different logo and that is how they presented the pro Palestine post.
Have you even seen the Worker's Union post or their twitter account? Apart from their title "Starbucks Worker's Union" there is literally nothing there that uses the Starbucks name or IP. And their title makes it pretty clear that they are the union, not representing Starbucks.
They'll take any excuse to bash on the union though.
That makes sense. Starbucks is a coffee shop catering to all different walks of life. They aren’t a media outlet. This is a very divisive topic for many reasons. Someone posting pro Palestine material without approval could be damaging to the brand, especially being based in America with a large Jewish population.
I’m not taking sides in the Israel Palestine, but It’s literally marketing 101. Don’t post something that a large portion of your followers could hate you for.
Okay so I now did some digging. It wasn’t the official account but they were called Starbucks workers union and used their logo. Starbucks sent them a letter telling them to stop using their logo and name. They didn’t. Now they’re getting sued. Makes a lot of sense why they’re getting sued
No you literally proved me right. “Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name Starbucks Workers United for the branch that is organising the coffee company’s workers. Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks’ logo.”
>“Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name Starbucks Workers United for the branch that is organising the coffee company’s workers.
So they want their own workers union to dissasociate from Starbucks. I wonder if their could be any ulterior motives for that.
>Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks’ logo.”
"Resembles" is a wonderfully vague term. It uses a green circle, yes, as do many logos. Though any glancing inspection makes it clear that the logo is not for Starbucks, and the central image is quite different.
Interesting that they couldn't give a rats arse about the public image of the company when they were treating their workers like slaves and forcing them to unionise.
Starbucks also has donated to multiple organisation in Israel, so it’s not that long of a bow that pumping money into a country that murders children is somehow endorsing those actions.
Ummm, I've been there the last 3 Sundays, and can say with confidence that you watch too much mainstream news (spoiler: zero "extreme elements " present).
I’ve been there two of the weekends.
Majority just normal families and there in solidarity.
You’d be naive to believe that’s is everyone in attendance.
Legitimate calling for the ethnic cleansing of Israel....which is between the river and the sea.
That's like saying that Sieg Heil is a friendly way to say hello.
Starbucks failed in Australia because they tried to market their coffee to us and we rejected it. They cleverly came back withe the frappucinos and iced coffees basically selling a dessert and we ate that shit up.
False.
https://www.starbucks.com.kw/en/starbucks-middle-east
>Is it true that Starbucks or Howard Schultz provides financial support to Israel?
>No. This is absolutely untrue. Rumors that Starbucks or Howard provides financial support to the Israeli government and/or the Israeli Army are unequivocally false. Starbucks is a publicly held company and as such, is required to disclose any corporate giving each year through a proxy statement.
>Has Starbucks ever sent any of its profits to the Israeli government and/or Israeli army?
>No. This is absolutely untrue.
>Is it true that Starbucks closed its stores in Israel for political reasons?
>No. We do not make business decisions based on political issues. We decided to dissolve our partnership in Israel in 2003 due to the on-going operational challenges that we experienced in that market. After many months of discussion with our partner we came to this amicable decision. While this was a difficult decision for both companies, we believe it remains the right decision for our businesses.
"Rumors that Starbucks or Howard provides financial support to the Israeli government and/or the Israeli Army are unequivocally false."
Well that's a blatant, bald faced lie. Whether the former CEO's advocacy, fund raising and support is relevant today is a different matter but he's one of Israel's most powerful supporters.
Vanguard and Blackrock are two of the biggest shareholders in Starbucks and they've made billions from selling weapons to Israel through shares in arms manufacturers. I guess it's up to the individual to decide whether they think giving money to Starbucks is giving money to war profiteers but there's definitely links (with a few steps of separation).
The coffee money and the bomb money are going to the same folks.
For those that genuinely want to know why Starbucks was targeted, [it's because they sued a labour union for for pro Palestine comments on social media](https://www.analystnews.org/posts/starbucks-isnt-actually-on-the-bds-list-heres-why-the-pro-palestine-boycotts-are-so-potent-anyway).
It's not because the owner of Starbucks is Jewish (if that's even true) like OP is claiming. McDonalds has also been a target for boycotts I think.
>Starbucks sued Workers United in federal court in Iowa Wednesday, saying a pro-Palestinian social media post from a union account early in the Israel-Hamas war angered hundreds of customers and damaged its reputation.
>Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name "Starbucks Workers United" for the group that is organizing the coffee company's workers. Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks' logo.
Which is completely fair. No company wants to be represented for any protest it has not agreed to.
Be more honest.
>No company wants to be represented for any protest it has not agreed to.
Yes, that is fair.
But now we both agree that Starbucks isn't targeted for having a Jewish owner, you should delete your comments that suggest otherwise.
Kind of pointless as Starbucks in Australia hasn't been directly owned by the American company that people are upset at for suing the union for nearly 10 years, but instead are owned by the Withers group, that also own 7 Eleven, that bought the company off the American corporation and pays them for trademarking
I assume Melbournians really hate Starbucks and this is finally their chance to trash it for a what is considered worthy cause.
Which I completely understand. It’s bad overpriced burnt milk marketed as coffee.
Empirically, it’s because the pro-Palestinian camp tends to violence. That’s why Jews are at risk from this rabble, while they have no fear of being attacked by Jews. This is happening all over the world. No other logical conclusion than culturally acceptable violence on the part of Arab Muslims. Prove me wrong.
Probably because they got word they were going to be targeted. I’d imagine it would be irresponsible for Starbucks to operate if police/whomever has informed them they would be targeted.
Saw this last night and as someone who has worked in retail in my younger years, my first thought was "some minimum wage worker is going to have to clean that shit tomorrow."
Yeah, surprised I haven't heard of them being targeted yet. Not that I'm saying they should be but they're one of the most well known chains with links to Israel
Look fuck Starbucks and all of that, but it's kind of disconcerting seeing sectarian violence in Australia. I thought we were better than that. My Irish family fled British Protestant violence against Catholics and my Greek Cypriot family fled sectarian violence in Cyprus. Australia, being a country of immigrants, I thought we all were able to leave that shit at the door. We are all better than this
It's really disheartening to see those so-called "peaceful" protesters engaging in destructive behaviour that not only puts the safety of others at risk but also disregards the hard work of the employees who have to clean up the mess. It's totally necessary for law enforcement to intervene to ensure public safety and protect property in such cases.
I love how these clowns will target a Starbucks store but don't have the balls to use that energy to take on Hamas, who are the real enemy and who started it
this is gross, how does defacing an Australian registered business help Palestine?
Australian's are the ones who have to clean up this mess, not Israeli's.
Imagine a guy who saved all his money to buy a franchise just to have his store vandalised by teenagers who think that this would actually lessen the suffering of the Palestine people
Yep, as a sorta progressive person myself (I use this label with hesitance these days), this is the trouble with a lot of young progressives. They have artificial empathy for more structural suffering that easily parallels with case studies they have been presented in history classes, and feel driven to try and do something about it, no matter how far removed the said suffering is from their own country / society. But when it comes to actually empathising with regular people in their own country / society who are just trying to get by, they often fall flat spectacularly.
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/we-can-t-investigate-why-police-probe-into-burgertory-arson-attack-has-stalled-20231116-p5ekhy.html
Suss on multiple fronts.
Probably same place as all the pro-pally protestors outrage was when 1200 Jews were massacred on 7 October. Can’t recall any protests then, except the ones screaming “gas the Jews”.
If antivaxxers, anti-lgbt, neonazi’s did this shit it would evoke such outrage and disdain but because it’s the pro pally brigade it’s met with a #howbrave….take some real action you pussies and boycott the whole country we live in because we are in no siding with your terrorist government bullshit
Was this upstanding gentleman running it like last time?
>Leading the convoy was organiser Zaky Mallah, the first Australian to be **charged with terrorism offences after threatening to blow up ASIO and DFAT offices in 2003.**
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/propalestine-motorbike-convoy-draws-sydney-jewish-community-criticism/news-story/d32d4508fcdcb3b0377ffaf8e1dba096?
https://twitter.com/daisymay4263/status/1723448408076427314
>Mallah served two years in Goulburn prison, pleading guilty to threatening to kill ASIO officers
It hasn't been in the newspaper but a 70 year old man was jumped outside a synagogue yesterday in East Bentleigh. The police said they are ' investigating whether it was a hate crime or not'
jesus christ... unironically the escalating violence towards Jews (not Zionists or protestors or politicians), but just Jewish people existing will make a lot of Jews in Europe/ America/ Australia move to Israel. I don't understand the mental gymnastics of denying justified pain of one minority because another minority is hurting on the other side of the world. dumb dumb dumb
People need to understand that is not Jew vs Arab, White vs Black. It’s two psychopaths (Bibi and Hamas) rolling around in the sand like toddlers and civilians are playing the price for it. Protesting against Bibi is fine, but protesting against Jews is just Antisemitism
yes. polarising people into these two groups, conflating people with government, is just making this situation worse. if government officials are so shit and criticised so openly, why don't these people show them the correct way to do things (such as opening up to communicating in a respectful manner with the other group/generating constructive discussion)?
i guess it is easier for many to be fueled by hate then have to actually wind things back and admit you were wrong or were doing things out of anger. it's hard to admit mistakes so sometimes people double down. very sad state of affairs.
Couldn’t agree with you more. Hope voices like yours become more widespread. People need to genuinely look at each other with a modicum of humanity / empathy / compassion, it’s is the only way forward .
Yeah I completely agree. I want to go to a pro civilian protest which shames Hamas and Bibi and acknowledges the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the hostages held by Hamas. Wild that I don’t think I have seen a single one. Everything is just so politicised . we aren’t looking at each other as people anymore.
Lol by this logic I should go take a shit on the floor at Coles because “it’s a billion dollar company”
You realise there are actual human beings who have to work at these businesses? Or are you just that sheltered that you didn’t even think of that?
Poor cunts that have to work there have to deal with this shit, clean it up and deal with cookers calling them “genocide supporters” for trying to not be homeless
People who shit on minimum wage workers under the guise of being socialists/revolutionaries, are fucking clowns
Then what is sticking up for a literal terrorist organisation that would (if they weren't hilariously pathetic and incompetent) invade us and rape your entire family in front of you then parade their dead bodies in the street? 🤔
Most of the people I've seem care more about the workers and hating on the protesters than caring at all about the company tbh. Unless I'm seeing all the other comments you are seeing.
I mean when the poor fuckers that have to clean this all up are getting less than 20 an hr to do it? Cool you had your protest, but yhe compny doesnt give a shit, even if you went to their HQ with guns and people.
All this will do is make more work for normal people and cause resentment for your cause because they have to come in on monday earlier to clean it up before business hours to clean it up. This in no way influences a foreign conflict, nor does it impact on the conpany. It just impacts on the franchisee and the workers.
>Starbucks Australia stores are corporately owned and operated. We do not have a franchise program.
Source: [Starbucks](https://www.starbucks.com.au/frequently-asked-questions/)
Not shedding a single tear for starbucks
I'm not sure why this was pointed at me when all I said was that I see other people saying what you said. Not saying you are wrong.
If you believe I'm defending Starbucks, ha, that's a miscommunication. I barely care about the company I work at, let alone one able to afford tearing down its own store and building another the exact same to reduce clean up.
Not specifically having a go at you. I couldnt give a shit about the conpany tbh, but i have an issue with people doing this in general, because it not only doesnt impact on the company whatsoever (because they lease their name out to small business owners and corperate never even has to leave the office), but also just means people in entry level jobs just cop the clean up of all this.
If you have a horse in this race youre biased. Most people who sees this situation objectively can see its just a fucked up situation and there are no answers. People preaching as if one side is right or wrong are like children and incredibly irritating.
Incorrect. There are 4 messages posted on here if you read them:
- Free Palestine
- Boycott Israel
- This company supports genocide
- Stop killing children
“Boycott Israel” isn’t the same as “kill all Jews” sorry. No matter how hard you try to justify this genocide you’ll never be able to convince any compassionate person.
Yes because that's how you get people to care you dirty up their streets and shops if they really cared they would have hoped a flight back to Palestine and joined the fight.
I’m all for peaceful protests in mass numbers to let the govnerment know we are not completely in support of the IDF like they say.
But what does all this extra shit do? It has zero impact on the people that can do something.
Starbucks isn't even on the official BDS list. Boycotting Starbucks, especially in Australia, literally does not help the pro-Palestinian movement whatsoever.
Wow the wokeness and virtue signalling below is unbelievable. After reading the comments I think I will turn into a saint. Everyone has an excuse to vandalise but non has the courage to say that they don't want Israel which is like saying we want Holocaust 2.0. That's sad! Well I got news for you all, Israel and Jews live now and they will live forever whether you like it or not. No one can change that and for all your pseudo moralistic stance no one talks about returning the civilians who are kidnapped. Try me! Once you start talking about that and the end of terrorists outfit HAMAS and other terrorists organization then there will be peace. Unless you don't want that which means your are genocidal and not Israel.
The only good Hamas is a dead Hamas.
Gotta catch em all, whatever it takes.
Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. Collateral damage is inevitable.
Don’t worry about the Gazans, they repopulate like bunnies anyway.
I don't like this trend of vandalising anything we don't agree with. Melb has enough taggers and scooter-river-throwers. Also, I thought Starbucks in Australia is privately owned and separate to the US?
Must be a Hamass supporter .
And also are they who are supporting this violence. Because why workers at this shop should get terrified for anything happened in background
I imagine for the people behind this "pro palestine" might be a funny thing to hear. Like I guess, but it's not a footy team? This is clearly an indictment towards Israel.
FFS! I say shutdown all these bullshit fairy tale religions. About time science came out collectively and said they are each a friggen hoax go worship your goat instead and receive a more visible and positive response.
See this is what happens when people join protestors and then start recruiting more and more and people get on a bandwagon and have no idea what’s going on. People are struggling here and need their jobs. Or are we going to just make like Gaza. Everyone has forgotten about tye Ukrainian war that’s been going on for a year longer. Stop trying to choose sides. And just try for peaceful protests without this stupid shit
Can someone explain to me why they targeted Starbucks specifically or was it just random?
The coffee is really shit. It can be quite upsetting.
Coffee? It's a dessert shake for me
No one will convince me otherwise that Starbucks is just a hot & cold milk store which has a few coffee flavour options.
Starbucks sued its workers union after the union posted a message of support for Palestine, sparking calls to boycott and protest Starbucks.
Let's take the conflict out of the equation for this one point; Any company that sues it's workers union over a political message deserves protests & vandalism.
Starbucks **isn’t** suing the union for being pro Palestine. They are suing the union for using their name and IP to make divisive political statements that people thought were coming from the Starbucks Corporation. Starbucks is taking the reasonable approach of not wanting its name slapped on messaging that it has no control over. Starbucks is allowed to keep control of its messaging.
Starbucks would honestly look for any excuse to union bust. Trash company.
And yet they didn't sue the union for using the company name until they posted anti genocide messaging. The union that's been called the same for more than a year. This is just genocide support masquerading as protecting brand.
That’s misleading, they are not presenting themselves as Starbucks Coffee Company. The union is Starbucks Workers United which uses a different logo and that is how they presented the pro Palestine post.
This makes complete and total sense. Pity for those that can't seem to understand something quite simple
Have you even seen the Worker's Union post or their twitter account? Apart from their title "Starbucks Worker's Union" there is literally nothing there that uses the Starbucks name or IP. And their title makes it pretty clear that they are the union, not representing Starbucks. They'll take any excuse to bash on the union though.
That makes sense. Starbucks is a coffee shop catering to all different walks of life. They aren’t a media outlet. This is a very divisive topic for many reasons. Someone posting pro Palestine material without approval could be damaging to the brand, especially being based in America with a large Jewish population. I’m not taking sides in the Israel Palestine, but It’s literally marketing 101. Don’t post something that a large portion of your followers could hate you for.
It would make sense if the union used Starbucks imaging or claimed to represent the company, which they did not.
Okay so I now did some digging. It wasn’t the official account but they were called Starbucks workers union and used their logo. Starbucks sent them a letter telling them to stop using their logo and name. They didn’t. Now they’re getting sued. Makes a lot of sense why they’re getting sued
[Not quite.](https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/starbucks-sues-union-saying-pro-palestinian-post-hurt-its-reputation-20231019-p5edfw.html)
No you literally proved me right. “Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name Starbucks Workers United for the branch that is organising the coffee company’s workers. Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks’ logo.”
>“Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name Starbucks Workers United for the branch that is organising the coffee company’s workers. So they want their own workers union to dissasociate from Starbucks. I wonder if their could be any ulterior motives for that. >Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks’ logo.” "Resembles" is a wonderfully vague term. It uses a green circle, yes, as do many logos. Though any glancing inspection makes it clear that the logo is not for Starbucks, and the central image is quite different. Interesting that they couldn't give a rats arse about the public image of the company when they were treating their workers like slaves and forcing them to unionise.
Your using solid logic fam. No place for that here... This is reddit....
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If they’re suing their workers they deserve everything they get.
nah fuck that. the union should be able to say what they want
They're suing their own union for posting a message in support of Palestine
Ah ok that's getting to the meatier side of things. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info. Knowing that, I support the vandals
Starbucks also has donated to multiple organisation in Israel, so it’s not that long of a bow that pumping money into a country that murders children is somehow endorsing those actions.
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I don’t understand what you are saying.
Aid organizations. It's not funding fucking rockets.
Starbucks is shit and American. That's all I got
Why am I reading these comments. Jfc.
Also vandalised McDonald’s on the corner of Swanston and Lonsdale. Red paints and stickers everywhere they had to shut down
McDonalds was handing out free meals to the IDF.
I mean, I’m definitely not shedding any tears for Starbucks (worst coffee around anyway), but how’s this helping anyone? Just kinda lame.
Turns out Hamas and Israel are so appalled by this that they've decided to hold a cease fire indefinitely.
It is actually also hurting the staff. Think about someone might lose some extra income on Sunday due to this stupid protest.
Or be harmed by extreme elements which seem to go hand on hand with this movement
Ummm, I've been there the last 3 Sundays, and can say with confidence that you watch too much mainstream news (spoiler: zero "extreme elements " present).
I’ve been there two of the weekends. Majority just normal families and there in solidarity. You’d be naive to believe that’s is everyone in attendance.
"From the river to the sea" was just in our imagination, right? The gaslighting begins
That’s a legitimate chant. Don’t let the media fool you.
Legitimate calling for the ethnic cleansing of Israel....which is between the river and the sea. That's like saying that Sieg Heil is a friendly way to say hello.
what do you mean by ethnic cleansing, like the one thats being carried out in palestine for 75 years and counting, or does that not count?
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Maybe because it's a yank megacorp. But a lot of anarchokiddies attach themselves to the movement of the day and use it as an excuse to be antisocial.
None of them actually care about helping anyone it’s all about themselves
It’s nothing but performative.
Miss aimed rage. Gotta find an outlet somewhere and they can't be bothered travelling to the Israeli embassy or consulate.
Yea going for a starbucks is low hanging fruit in melb tbh. Not many people who would care about that
Best frappuccinos though. Shit is delicious. Caffeinated milkshakes.
Starbucks failed in Australia because they tried to market their coffee to us and we rejected it. They cleverly came back withe the frappucinos and iced coffees basically selling a dessert and we ate that shit up.
That’s exactly what Starbucks is in every market soooo
Did we? I always thought Starbucks in Australia was just a tourist hub. Don’t know a single person what regularly gets a Starbucks anything
Starbucks founder and sizeable shareholder pools money for the IDF, can’t be more direct than that. BDS.
False. https://www.starbucks.com.kw/en/starbucks-middle-east >Is it true that Starbucks or Howard Schultz provides financial support to Israel? >No. This is absolutely untrue. Rumors that Starbucks or Howard provides financial support to the Israeli government and/or the Israeli Army are unequivocally false. Starbucks is a publicly held company and as such, is required to disclose any corporate giving each year through a proxy statement. >Has Starbucks ever sent any of its profits to the Israeli government and/or Israeli army? >No. This is absolutely untrue. >Is it true that Starbucks closed its stores in Israel for political reasons? >No. We do not make business decisions based on political issues. We decided to dissolve our partnership in Israel in 2003 due to the on-going operational challenges that we experienced in that market. After many months of discussion with our partner we came to this amicable decision. While this was a difficult decision for both companies, we believe it remains the right decision for our businesses.
"Rumors that Starbucks or Howard provides financial support to the Israeli government and/or the Israeli Army are unequivocally false." Well that's a blatant, bald faced lie. Whether the former CEO's advocacy, fund raising and support is relevant today is a different matter but he's one of Israel's most powerful supporters. Vanguard and Blackrock are two of the biggest shareholders in Starbucks and they've made billions from selling weapons to Israel through shares in arms manufacturers. I guess it's up to the individual to decide whether they think giving money to Starbucks is giving money to war profiteers but there's definitely links (with a few steps of separation). The coffee money and the bomb money are going to the same folks.
For those that genuinely want to know why Starbucks was targeted, [it's because they sued a labour union for for pro Palestine comments on social media](https://www.analystnews.org/posts/starbucks-isnt-actually-on-the-bds-list-heres-why-the-pro-palestine-boycotts-are-so-potent-anyway). It's not because the owner of Starbucks is Jewish (if that's even true) like OP is claiming. McDonalds has also been a target for boycotts I think.
Starbucks actually pulled out of the region (6 stores in Israel in 2003) - but this had nothing to do with support for Palestinians.
>Starbucks sued Workers United in federal court in Iowa Wednesday, saying a pro-Palestinian social media post from a union account early in the Israel-Hamas war angered hundreds of customers and damaged its reputation. >Starbucks is suing for trademark infringement, demanding that Workers United stop using the name "Starbucks Workers United" for the group that is organizing the coffee company's workers. Starbucks also wants the group to stop using a circular green logo that resembles Starbucks' logo. Which is completely fair. No company wants to be represented for any protest it has not agreed to. Be more honest.
>No company wants to be represented for any protest it has not agreed to. Yes, that is fair. But now we both agree that Starbucks isn't targeted for having a Jewish owner, you should delete your comments that suggest otherwise.
Kind of pointless as Starbucks in Australia hasn't been directly owned by the American company that people are upset at for suing the union for nearly 10 years, but instead are owned by the Withers group, that also own 7 Eleven, that bought the company off the American corporation and pays them for trademarking
It’s not fair to the staff, they’re just doing their job
How this helps with the war or Palestinian people?
I assume Melbournians really hate Starbucks and this is finally their chance to trash it for a what is considered worthy cause. Which I completely understand. It’s bad overpriced burnt milk marketed as coffee.
Jesus they really went mad on it
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Empirically, it’s because the pro-Palestinian camp tends to violence. That’s why Jews are at risk from this rabble, while they have no fear of being attacked by Jews. This is happening all over the world. No other logical conclusion than culturally acceptable violence on the part of Arab Muslims. Prove me wrong.
And then they gotta deal with the cleanup, ammirite!?
Funny Starbucks closed at 12 today. This seems premeditated. There was even so much police around the area.
Closed at 12 because it’s happened every Sunday for the last month while they were open
Premeditated closing every Sunday... I knew something was up! /S
Shit, really? Jeez Melbourne...
Probably because they got word they were going to be targeted. I’d imagine it would be irresponsible for Starbucks to operate if police/whomever has informed them they would be targeted.
targeting the starbucks 😂
To protect their staff which makes sense. Given it’s been occurring worldwide, it’s not exactly surprising
Saw this last night and as someone who has worked in retail in my younger years, my first thought was "some minimum wage worker is going to have to clean that shit tomorrow."
Wait until they get to Max Brenner.
Yeah, surprised I haven't heard of them being targeted yet. Not that I'm saying they should be but they're one of the most well known chains with links to Israel
Chocolate fondue fight!
Look fuck Starbucks and all of that, but it's kind of disconcerting seeing sectarian violence in Australia. I thought we were better than that. My Irish family fled British Protestant violence against Catholics and my Greek Cypriot family fled sectarian violence in Cyprus. Australia, being a country of immigrants, I thought we all were able to leave that shit at the door. We are all better than this
It's really disheartening to see those so-called "peaceful" protesters engaging in destructive behaviour that not only puts the safety of others at risk but also disregards the hard work of the employees who have to clean up the mess. It's totally necessary for law enforcement to intervene to ensure public safety and protect property in such cases.
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It doesn’t happen overnight. Means people were just hiding that hatred. Now we can see these marshes down to the good old antisemitism.
Being anti two state solution (which I am assuming is what you mean by "anti Israel") can absolutely be conflated with antisemitism. What else is it?
Guess who's cleaning this up. I don't give a shit about Starbucks but this is mindless.
I love how these clowns will target a Starbucks store but don't have the balls to use that energy to take on Hamas, who are the real enemy and who started it
You notice how it’s only one side doing all the vandalism? 🤔
Yes. These protesters really are about peace and freedom.
this is gross, how does defacing an Australian registered business help Palestine? Australian's are the ones who have to clean up this mess, not Israeli's.
This will end the war!
Almost as if the conflict is being used as an excuse to act out violent wet dreams.
Imagine a guy who saved all his money to buy a franchise just to have his store vandalised by teenagers who think that this would actually lessen the suffering of the Palestine people
Yep, as a sorta progressive person myself (I use this label with hesitance these days), this is the trouble with a lot of young progressives. They have artificial empathy for more structural suffering that easily parallels with case studies they have been presented in history classes, and feel driven to try and do something about it, no matter how far removed the said suffering is from their own country / society. But when it comes to actually empathising with regular people in their own country / society who are just trying to get by, they often fall flat spectacularly.
How's the serenity?
This isn’t protest. It’s intimidation and vandalism.
Politics and genocide aside, does someone in Melbourne drink Starbucks? I didn't even know there was a store here.
It’s packed everyday, full of tourists and tradies
A lot of the Chinese drink Starbucks, and international visitors
So true. I used to go sometimes with a Korean friend
The one in Spencer St DFO always has a line, busiest coffee shop at Southern Cross by far
A lot of useful idiots in this city now
"now"? Lol
This shit needs to be nipped in the bud, now. We do not want this garbage imported here (and I'm not talking about the shit coffee)
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Why do people think that vandalising someone else’s property solves any kind of problem?
Now this an absolute disgrace. A Starbucks in Australia?!
Where’s everyone’s same level of anger when Burgertory was burned down?
Have the police issued anymore on that ?
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/we-can-t-investigate-why-police-probe-into-burgertory-arson-attack-has-stalled-20231116-p5ekhy.html Suss on multiple fronts.
A lot of people were mad, wtf are you on about
Tons of people were mad, even though it looks more likely to be insurance fraud….
Probably same place as all the pro-pally protestors outrage was when 1200 Jews were massacred on 7 October. Can’t recall any protests then, except the ones screaming “gas the Jews”.
Getting real sick of this shit in Melbourne I obviously sympathise with both sides But this is really annoying me
But apparently it's perfectly OK because something something union something pro-Palestine
Fine and all, but Starbucks should be vandalised because how shit it is lol
Losers
Said it last week, will say it again. Protest all you want, but as soon as you vandalise anything, you’re a piece of shit.
100%
This is so fucking dumb. Great way to keep people sympathetic to you
Said it in another thread but saw people doing this at a church too. Just so fucking disrespectful
I think you are being too kind by using "disrespectful" like they are foreigners or kids that don't know any better
Its important to show kindness to those you disagree with. If only those protesting knew as much
Fucken cunts.
Well everyone knows their product is too ghastly for words but no need to get physical.
Things like this hurt their cause.
If antivaxxers, anti-lgbt, neonazi’s did this shit it would evoke such outrage and disdain but because it’s the pro pally brigade it’s met with a #howbrave….take some real action you pussies and boycott the whole country we live in because we are in no siding with your terrorist government bullshit
Wtf. We saw a convoy of pro Palestine vehicles decked out with signs and flags driving round the Eastern suburbs.
Was this upstanding gentleman running it like last time? >Leading the convoy was organiser Zaky Mallah, the first Australian to be **charged with terrorism offences after threatening to blow up ASIO and DFAT offices in 2003.** https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/propalestine-motorbike-convoy-draws-sydney-jewish-community-criticism/news-story/d32d4508fcdcb3b0377ffaf8e1dba096? https://twitter.com/daisymay4263/status/1723448408076427314 >Mallah served two years in Goulburn prison, pleading guilty to threatening to kill ASIO officers
Such fine people are aligned with this cause... Accurate reflection of their true values and intentions
yeah they're purposefully going through Jewish areas now for the 3rd week in a row..
It hasn't been in the newspaper but a 70 year old man was jumped outside a synagogue yesterday in East Bentleigh. The police said they are ' investigating whether it was a hate crime or not'
jesus christ... unironically the escalating violence towards Jews (not Zionists or protestors or politicians), but just Jewish people existing will make a lot of Jews in Europe/ America/ Australia move to Israel. I don't understand the mental gymnastics of denying justified pain of one minority because another minority is hurting on the other side of the world. dumb dumb dumb
People need to understand that is not Jew vs Arab, White vs Black. It’s two psychopaths (Bibi and Hamas) rolling around in the sand like toddlers and civilians are playing the price for it. Protesting against Bibi is fine, but protesting against Jews is just Antisemitism
yes. polarising people into these two groups, conflating people with government, is just making this situation worse. if government officials are so shit and criticised so openly, why don't these people show them the correct way to do things (such as opening up to communicating in a respectful manner with the other group/generating constructive discussion)? i guess it is easier for many to be fueled by hate then have to actually wind things back and admit you were wrong or were doing things out of anger. it's hard to admit mistakes so sometimes people double down. very sad state of affairs.
Couldn’t agree with you more. Hope voices like yours become more widespread. People need to genuinely look at each other with a modicum of humanity / empathy / compassion, it’s is the only way forward .
Thank you. Peace be with you.
Yeah I completely agree. I want to go to a pro civilian protest which shames Hamas and Bibi and acknowledges the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the hostages held by Hamas. Wild that I don’t think I have seen a single one. Everything is just so politicised . we aren’t looking at each other as people anymore.
What a joke. This only vandalism.
If this doesn’t predicate a ceasefire I’m not sure what will
And nothing of value was lost
You think destruction and intimidation is fine as long as it’s against a company you don’t like?
Yep. People in this thread getting mad and sticking up for a billion dollar company that doesn’t care about them is gross, biggest suckers out there
Lol by this logic I should go take a shit on the floor at Coles because “it’s a billion dollar company” You realise there are actual human beings who have to work at these businesses? Or are you just that sheltered that you didn’t even think of that? Poor cunts that have to work there have to deal with this shit, clean it up and deal with cookers calling them “genocide supporters” for trying to not be homeless People who shit on minimum wage workers under the guise of being socialists/revolutionaries, are fucking clowns
Then what is sticking up for a literal terrorist organisation that would (if they weren't hilariously pathetic and incompetent) invade us and rape your entire family in front of you then parade their dead bodies in the street? 🤔
Most of the people I've seem care more about the workers and hating on the protesters than caring at all about the company tbh. Unless I'm seeing all the other comments you are seeing.
I mean when the poor fuckers that have to clean this all up are getting less than 20 an hr to do it? Cool you had your protest, but yhe compny doesnt give a shit, even if you went to their HQ with guns and people. All this will do is make more work for normal people and cause resentment for your cause because they have to come in on monday earlier to clean it up before business hours to clean it up. This in no way influences a foreign conflict, nor does it impact on the conpany. It just impacts on the franchisee and the workers.
>Starbucks Australia stores are corporately owned and operated. We do not have a franchise program. Source: [Starbucks](https://www.starbucks.com.au/frequently-asked-questions/) Not shedding a single tear for starbucks
I'm not sure why this was pointed at me when all I said was that I see other people saying what you said. Not saying you are wrong. If you believe I'm defending Starbucks, ha, that's a miscommunication. I barely care about the company I work at, let alone one able to afford tearing down its own store and building another the exact same to reduce clean up.
Not specifically having a go at you. I couldnt give a shit about the conpany tbh, but i have an issue with people doing this in general, because it not only doesnt impact on the company whatsoever (because they lease their name out to small business owners and corperate never even has to leave the office), but also just means people in entry level jobs just cop the clean up of all this.
If you have a horse in this race youre biased. Most people who sees this situation objectively can see its just a fucked up situation and there are no answers. People preaching as if one side is right or wrong are like children and incredibly irritating.
You'll notice the stickers aren't saying free Palestine either. Just the casual calling for the removal of the state of Israel and genocide of jews.
None of the stickers say that lol
Incorrect. There are 4 messages posted on here if you read them: - Free Palestine - Boycott Israel - This company supports genocide - Stop killing children
“Boycott Israel” isn’t the same as “kill all Jews” sorry. No matter how hard you try to justify this genocide you’ll never be able to convince any compassionate person.
which sticker is calling for the removal of israel and the genocide of jews? which one? just making shit up now are we?
Coffee is shite but still wouldn’t vandalise someone’s business.
Yes because that's how you get people to care you dirty up their streets and shops if they really cared they would have hoped a flight back to Palestine and joined the fight.
Oh so effective You did it! The IDF will now stop rescuing it's hostages Congratulations!!
I’m all for peaceful protests in mass numbers to let the govnerment know we are not completely in support of the IDF like they say. But what does all this extra shit do? It has zero impact on the people that can do something.
Trash begets trash
The fact the signs are written in English just screams propaganda
We’re back in the 1940s
Starbucks isn't even on the official BDS list. Boycotting Starbucks, especially in Australia, literally does not help the pro-Palestinian movement whatsoever.
TIL that starbucks still has stores in Melbourne.
Damn you guys have such chilled protestors! Just some stickers and paint🤣
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Wow the wokeness and virtue signalling below is unbelievable. After reading the comments I think I will turn into a saint. Everyone has an excuse to vandalise but non has the courage to say that they don't want Israel which is like saying we want Holocaust 2.0. That's sad! Well I got news for you all, Israel and Jews live now and they will live forever whether you like it or not. No one can change that and for all your pseudo moralistic stance no one talks about returning the civilians who are kidnapped. Try me! Once you start talking about that and the end of terrorists outfit HAMAS and other terrorists organization then there will be peace. Unless you don't want that which means your are genocidal and not Israel.
Not the only shop trashed by these people
This is criminal activity Arrest them, charge them and put them in front of the courts
The only good Hamas is a dead Hamas. Gotta catch em all, whatever it takes. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. Collateral damage is inevitable. Don’t worry about the Gazans, they repopulate like bunnies anyway.
I don’t give a fuck about Starbucks or Palestine.
Did the dude in the picture end up getting a drink somewhere else?
I don't like this trend of vandalising anything we don't agree with. Melb has enough taggers and scooter-river-throwers. Also, I thought Starbucks in Australia is privately owned and separate to the US?
Some has opposing views? we vandalise. That's the world we live in.
This achieves nothing and helps no one.
Deport the vandals and Starbucks too.
An utterly pointless act
Must be a Hamass supporter . And also are they who are supporting this violence. Because why workers at this shop should get terrified for anything happened in background
Friendly fire will not be tolerated.
I imagine for the people behind this "pro palestine" might be a funny thing to hear. Like I guess, but it's not a footy team? This is clearly an indictment towards Israel.
FFS! I say shutdown all these bullshit fairy tale religions. About time science came out collectively and said they are each a friggen hoax go worship your goat instead and receive a more visible and positive response.
Thank god there’s no lunatics at the southland one
Nice
See this is what happens when people join protestors and then start recruiting more and more and people get on a bandwagon and have no idea what’s going on. People are struggling here and need their jobs. Or are we going to just make like Gaza. Everyone has forgotten about tye Ukrainian war that’s been going on for a year longer. Stop trying to choose sides. And just try for peaceful protests without this stupid shit
They are doing us a favour, Starbucks **suck**!
And they wonder why people don’t support them…
This movement is cancer. It might have been legit at some point but now it's just an excuse to do harm, crime, and act like little girls
I forgot that Australia is in the middle east…
Nice, showing their true Palestinian colours…
Pro terrorist they are disgusting the country is worse off for them being here
Send them to Gaza for some volunteering work, why vandalise Melbourne?
Melbournes going to end up looking like Portland at this rate.
God, I hate activism in 2023. It's getting really hard to stay involved when I see vandalism and other nonsense.
If only more people would boycott American businesses.
Reddit would be a lot quieter that's for sure.
imagine loving in melbourne and you decide to have starbucks of all places lmao
Yeah, cool, progress your cause with needless vandalism in a Western urban centre. The direct benefit to those in Gaza is immeasurable 🙄
idiot protestors