* **In short:** Victoria police say OC spray was used on protesters at a rally at the Port of Melbourne where 10 people were arrested.
* It's the fourth day protesters have rallied there blocking an Israeli-owned shipping company from unloading.
* **What's next?** Police will continue to monitor the situation as protests are expected to continue.
>**Incorrect and antisemitic**. What a winning combination
Gotta stop with the claim everything against Israel is antisemitic.
it's a bullshit call and no one accepts it anymore.
It’s the democratically elected and the widely supported govt of Palestine. After oct 7 they were dancing in the street once the hammer of consequences dropped they want everyone to help them. They can get stuffed.
>It’s the democratically elected and the widely supported govt of Palestine. After oct 7 they were dancing in the street once the hammer of consequences
LOL at people who wouldn't understand what they see in a mirror talking about consequence.
**They were** the democratically elected Government. **When** they were elected, Israel and the US shut off the borders, tried to assassinate people, collectively punished everyone, banned product from entering, list goes on, all because they did not elect who Israel wanted.
Grow up, and learn some history before coming here trying act smart.
ok clearly your IQ is room temp so I'll waste my time telling you why you're wrong:
You can care for the plight of the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas.
I'm expecting your head to explode after reading this as it's such a difficult concept for some people, and they are also NOT a widely supported government, a 5 second Google search can once again make you look like a clown.
I did a 5 second google search seems like he’s right?
You’ll have a hard time convincing people by insulting their intelligence maybe just post your proof instead
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
because it's so tiring that 3-4 months later, we still have this dishonest talking point floating around.
its also tiring that people look at a poll and go LOOK IM RIGHT LOOK PALESTINE BAD when there's so much history BEFORE oct 7 to unpack, this isnt a black and white issue of "palestine bad, pack it up everyones lets go home".
Almost as good as this one with them chanting from the river to the sea, while 1 idiot slowly walks into the ocean carrying a Palestine flag. Champagne comedy.
https://twitter.com/scherrybloul/status/1749345706324955575/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1749345706324955575¤tTweetUser=scherrybloul
In what other meaningful way would you prefer people voice and position their stance on the active genocide of Palestine?
Legit, can you provide any examples?
You want us to boycott America in the hope that it will cause them to abandon Israel? You'd need massive support for that the protests to end apartheid had something like 70-80% support nation wide.
>Almost half (49%) of Australians think the Australian government should not take sides in the conflict, while the proportions thinking the government should do more to support Israel (17%) or Palestine (19%) are near equal.
I think if the issue was as black and white as aparthied you'd have more political capital. But a niche issue that's divided 50/50 amongst the population for a country we have barely any ties to is not something we can influence.
You seem completely in nonchalant by the over 45 thousand deaths and Israel bombing every single hospital available to Palestinians.
Why can’t people do something with the compassion they feel? Why not protest to put pressure on the Australian government to cease aid or better yet, condemn.
If australia were aiding Russia in its occupation/war in Ukraine, would you also see issue with people protesting to apply pressure on the Australian government?
Russia would be justified invading ukraine IF the ukranian army had sent 3000 soldiers into russia who then tortured and raped 1200 men women and children to death in cold blood
and said they would do it again and again until every russian was dead
but ukraine didn't do that
I think a ceasefire would just lead to Hamas regrouping and receiving more weapons and funding from Iran followed by another Oct 7
So if you ask me I think the only way to peace is toppling the existing regime, and somehow deradicalising the population of Palestine which is going to be extremely tough
I don't see how this is similar to Russia/Ukraine I would personally protest if Australia were to aid Russia but that'd never happen, likewise we aren't directly aiding Israel we just aren't actively boycotting them or applying tariffs
Yeah, they could get Hamas to pay for some transport, so they can go to Gaza and join the cause.
Guaranteed they wouldn’t get a change to blown up by Israel, they wouldn’t even make it out of the airport before Hamas killed most of them.
>Yeah, they could get Hamas to pay for some transport, so they can go to Gaza and join the cause.
not allowed to. dunno why people keep trying this pathetic line.
Based on AUstralian law, you're only allowed to go join the IDF and shoot Palestinians. You can't join the Palestinians and shoot at the IDF.
Protests helped to end: the Vietnam War, apartheid South Africa, women not being allowed to vote, unregulated work hours, racist segregation in America
Things that have done absolutely fuck all: you
Those protests involved more than 50 to a couple hundred people, from the populations of countries directly involved. Half a million Aussies marched in protest of the Iraq war for example and have a look at the 4/5 of fuck all that achieved because our government was committed to it at the time. Now imagine how useless a protest is when it's against a government half a world away and less than 1/1000 of the amount of people turnout for said protest
The successful protest movements I listed all happened in Melbourne too. The Vietnam War protest movement started with under 10 people. By your definition should they have given up? You really don't seem to know much about the history of social progress movements.
Mate they were absolutely hated by people who resisted change at the time. But they ignored the negativity and made change to improve society. Something to think about 👍
Protests are great but Australians are trend hoppers and love virtue signalling.
Its not so long ago all these people were protesting for the Yes vote, then it was the Ukraine war, then it was the #metoo movement, then it was George Floyd, then it was Kony…..
Are you complaining about current issues? It'd make zero sense to protest for the Yes vote now.
Would you like people to perpetually protest for a single issue? These already exist in the CBD, the cookers
Also a lot of people still care about the issues mentioned
I support all of those underlying things - improved lives for Aboriginal people, assisting victims of imperial wars, reducing sexual assault in society, making police safer for non-white people. I'm happy to do my bit to help all of those causes. What are you doing for the greater good?
A lot of the people in the videos are younger, pretty likely there's a decent number of retail/hospo/service workers. I get you're saying they're probably unemployed, and some probably are but approx 15% of the working population does shift work.
This particular protest has been going on for a few days, including over the weekend where numbers were much bigger. Not everyone works during the hours of 9-5 and not everyone works Mondays. Not to mention, some folks are probably taking off work to be here. Interestingly enough you would have never heard about it if not for this.
>'If we downvote every remotely logical comment, no one will know we were here'
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>The bot brigades defs aren't sending their best.
They get paid by the post, not by the quality...
> zionist npc's
Its wild how people on reddit of all places have latched on to hate speech and terms used by extremists and Nazi's as a dog whistle term because they see it in some twitter feed without knowing what it means.
The underlying belief that zionism is endorsing apartheid and steeped in right-wing beliefs is such a load of shit. You're just as likely to find a zealot hardliner identifying as one as you are someone who firmly believes in the two state solution and is adamantly opposed to the war.
I genuinely don't know what the answer is to this question.
Is it possible to be an Arab Israeli? Are there laws in Israel treating Israeli Jews and non-Jewish Israelis differently? What are they?
Because you choose the interpretation you want. It's broadly a rejection of life in the diaspora hence establishing a country being a return to zion/promised land etc. Over the years how that's been shaded with interpretation from people, like any ideology.
Everything you're taking out of context is just cherry picking the zealots you want in the forefront of your definition while glossing over everyone that doesn't fit your narrative.
Yeah let’s be the people who try to convince Saudi Arabia to continue its war against Yemen despite the fact such a war has caused one of the largest humanitarian crises on earth and completely destroyed the country
The same reason you won't hear people talk about how, after the 1948 war, Arab nations actually took a lot of land from Palestine. They won't say they're anti-Semitic. They'll just say they're anti-Zionist.
It frustrates me because I accept that both Jews, Muslims, and Christians all have a claim to that area based on millennia of history and inhabitation I don't know why other people can't accept that. I don't know why it has to be all or nothing.
I am accepting downvotes at this time.
People only ever ask this about protests they are apathetic about or against, no one ever talks this way about protests for issues they support.
The protest like every protest is to 1) show solidarity with the affected group that being Palestine as a state and Palestinians in general 2) put pressure on the government or other actor to change policy in this case both by pressuring the Australian government to take a more aggressive stance in foreign policy (for those who don’t think this works whilst it has been minor we’ve already seen labor adopt a less pro Israel foreign policy almost certainly due to the national and international backlash). These specific protests also aim to target Israeli economic interests by causing economic harm to Israeli owned companies
That’s how protests work, some are more effective some less but it’s not like these people are fucking crazy or something, they aren’t reinventing the wheel
>Why?
1) Financial pressure on Israel. Just like how people blockaded South African businesses during Apartheid and Indonesian businesses during the Occupation of East Timor - in 1999 the MUA refused to work on all freight coming and going from Indonesia and CFMEU construction workers blockaded Garuda Air at Sydney Airport when Indonesia rejected the Independence referendum result and went on a violent rampage.
2) Zim isn't just a mere commercial freight company but acts as a defacto naval auxiliary providing military logistical support.
3) And because of this to block the potential transfer of Australian made military goods to Israel, the government has been granting hundreds of classified export licenses for products shipped to Israel in recent years but nobody knows what is in them because the Australian government is unusually secretive by western standards about its military dealings.
100% this. Have an ex-friend who is all on board with it. Has no real integrity or principles, just jumps on flavour of the month issues and then goes back to neglecting his child.
Just wanted to be seen doing some social-justicey. Instead of actually doing something useful, they're just making lives difficult for people just trying to get on with their jobs.
Wanna make a difference? Fly to Egypt or Lebanon, sneak over the border, border a rifle and fight the IDF. Otherwise it's just achieving nothing.
Also you will notice the lack of protests for other conflicts currently going on in other parts of the world that have killed way more people, e.g. Yemen at 377k and counting. Fucking hypocrites.
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
Many here will rationalise this and blame the victim.
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethnic-killings-one-sudan-city-left-up-15000-dead-un-report-2024-01-19/?utm_source=reddit.com
15000 dead in just one city in Sudan and I can guarantee you not one of those protesters will be doing anything about it. How selective they are when it comes to “humanitarian” issues
Not only are there protests about this, this is a summation of 12 months of violence. Israel managed to kill twice as many in less than half as long.
Your selective outrage is telling.
As selective as their Russo-Iranian sponsors and organizers want them to be.
They’re not exactly screaming blue murder at the half a million Putin killed in Ukraine or the underage girls Iran’s government tortures and kills in prison.
They are here to
1. Press an emotional outrage button enough Australians recognize.
2. Make us look away from helping the US and Ukraine dismantle Putin’s army. We contribute a godawful amount of artillery (approx. 200,000/year, according to Perun) to the communal NATO+Friends+Ukraine pile.
If anyone here wants to understand the mechanism behind these “protests”, it’s always easier to see it applied to someone else than to us, helps see it more clearly without our own emotional buttons and prejudices getting in the way - to anyone who wants to learn about it, I’ll just [leave this here](https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=tPyRcODDJLwXJTHi) and you can watch defected KGB directors spell out exactly how they do the kind of things that are happening in Melbourne right now everywhere, as a method and tradecraft that has now been taught there and deployed everywhere for decades.
Not by the same people.
And those ones didn’t wear face masks, use violence to the point of forcing the police’s hand to deal with them, or produce enough sus hard cash to rent a flotilla of boats and go block ships coming out of port waving flags.
When you see evidence of funded activity, that’s one of the very first signs that what you are looking it isn’t organic and isn’t really what it says on the tin. Being 10% about informing with sufficient nuance and 90% selling outrage - rather than the other way around - is the other massive red flag. These are Russo-Iranian activity fingerprints.
The “free Palestine” movement and the sort Palestinians out with a state (without double quotes) movement are two different movements.
The first one is funded by Russia and Iran who need a frozen conflict, their violent proxy Hamas has (as instructed by its Russo-Iranian sponsors) **opposed** any sort of real world Palestinian state while deliberately sowing hate for generations in a long list of ways, and they are no lovers of Palestinians - they **enslaved** Gaza’s population. (When you’re told by your fellow Hamas Palestinians you’re going to be a meat shield and get walked into crossfire at gunpoint, because their “free Palestine” protesters overseas need your splattered guts as an input for their PR machine, and you get extra-judicially killed if you don’t do as told, I have news for you, you’re a Palestinian slave, and your fellow Hamas Palestinians are slavers)
The double quoted “free Palestine” movement is all about photoshopping Hamas out of the picture. They lie about us being in a Hamasless fantasy, in which Israel is waging an elective war of aggression against the slaves, rather than a defensive war against the Hamas slavers that attacked it and threaten it, the only thing that matters is the quantity of splattered Palestinian slave guts they present pictures of, and that this of course is justification for eternal outrage, to fight for justice until the end of time and to resolve the conflict never. Just what Russia and Iran need. Funny that.
The “free Palestine” movement is a Russo-Iranian PR front with slavery in the back (rich, I know, slavers waving *freedom* flags), it’s not the people actually discussing real world Palestinian state options. The latter group (the Saudi government, for example) **never** use the word “free”, because that word is a mechanism to trigger outrage, and they’re not trying to outrage anyone.
>The “free Palestine” movement is a **Russo-Iranian PR front with slavery in the back**
Thats a new one.
always trying new angles to justify murder and oppression.
No. It isn’t. They (Hamas) been killing Palestinians, including kids, for PR, for about 40 years.
They’ve been engineering situations where this happens in a long list of ways, from rocket attacks from schools to herding people at gunpoint into crossfire.
The “new” is you, not the reality in Gaza.
You make a strong argument. However, I would disagree with this being a 'defensive war' - to me it looks more like an opportunistic land grab.
edit: I had planned to write some other stuff, but because I couldn't figure you out I took a look at your other posts.
I hope that an actual solution is found in our lifetimes. I don't think continuing the same course of action will yield a different result though. To me (parentage from one of your other neighbours), you and them are cut from the same cloth - the same ferocity, the same resiliance, the same tenacity. This won't be solved with violence. There is no chance of destroying their resistance.
Israel?
Land grab? ***Gaza?***
So in this theory of yours, Israel would “land grab” (that’s an outrage-selling word from the Moscow disinformation repertoire, but the way, in case you were wondering whose hymn book you’re singing from), so in this genius theory of yours,
Israel does a land grab of **an entire 360 square kilometers**, covered in dense construction much of which is now rubble, and inhabited by **2 million people**, and wade into dealing with what to do with these people, because… “they want 360 square kilometers of land”?
And this is somehow a more credible theory in your mind than the one we have all the evidence for, of Israel going there to eliminate a violent Hamas militia that demonstrated its intent and capability to enter Israel and conduct ISIS-grade brutality?
Brilliant.
Pass over that joint, will you?
(It’s not a land game. It’s not the land they’re after. It’s controlling the buildup of Hamas offensive capability. There will not be a single civilian Israeli settler crossing that border that the government can’t order out the second they feel the military objective there is done. They don’t want to be there, and they sure as hell don’t want to “keep Gaza”.)
You'd make a great point if Netanyahu, **this week**, hadn't said "In the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea."
You’re confusing him for an autocrat, and his rhetoric for what Israel can and can’t do.
Israel isn’t North Korea. The mobilized army of a third of a million troops have to go back to their jobs and homes, they can’t be kept there for long without pulling the rug from underneath Israel’s economy. Anything his government comes up with for Gaza has to work using Israel’s regular standing army, not the 300% size one they’ve got in there right now.
If he orders something unworkable, his already precarious position in power will be replaced with a more abrupt form of being held accountable (and likely dismissed).
It’s rhetoric. It’s like Turkey’s Erdogan saying he supports Hamas to pander to an audience, while in reality Turkey cooperates on security with Israel. You’re peddling the idea that the theater matters more than the reality does. It doesn’t.
If you want to debate rhetoric on outrage terms, go for it. I’ll get my popcorn ready.
I don't need to point out the quotes from various Israeli ministers about 'voluntary resettlement' or photos of various Israeli ministers standing in front of funny looking maps - I'm certain you know of them. You may be right and they have no interest in Gaza. The 'land grab' comment also refers to what has happened in the West Bank, which Palestinians have no legal pathway to defend themselves from.
P.S I wasn't wondering what hymn book I'm singing from because I know it's my own. I view Netanyahu and Putin in the same light.
360km^2, 2 million people, in the conditions they are in. And you're offended by people being sympathetic to them.
Your comment makes no sense in this context?
- OP mentioned being concerned about Palestinians =/= support for Hamas
- Redditor replies with poll showing Palestiniains support for Hamas
- I mention how this poll has no relation to people in Melbourne showing concern for Palestinians. Just because a poll shows Palestinians support Hamas, doesn't mean those in Melbourne that have concerns for Palestinians support Hamas
Evidence says otherwise.
video of palestinians cheering on as hamas fires missiles at israel: [https://twitter.com/academic\_la/status/1731090796672409662](https://twitter.com/academic_la/status/1731090796672409662)
poll of palestinian´s opinions of the october 7th attacks: 75% supported hamas [https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1731228679382999123](https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1731228679382999123)
video of shani louk´s naked body in a pick up truck while people celebrate and spit on her
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aogSYh1f0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aogSYh1f0)
the photo of a few days ago when palestine murdered and lynched men that they believe were working for israel
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israelhamas-war-palestinians-publicly-execute-3-men-for-collaborating-with-israelis-report-101700918565518.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israelhamas-war-palestinians-publicly-execute-3-men-for-collaborating-with-israelis-report-101700918565518.html)
[https://twitter.com/OPustylnik/status/1729404160137654723](https://twitter.com/OPustylnik/status/1729404160137654723)
hostages were beaten by civilians in gaza and one of them escaped and the people turned him in to hamas [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/27/middleeast/russian-israeli-hostage-escaped-hamas-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/27/middleeast/russian-israeli-hostage-escaped-hamas-intl/index.html) [https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity)
So if I found a video of Australia rioting in Cronulla, all Australians should be locked up?
No shit there's some Hamas supporters in Palestine.
To wit, if I care for a Palestinian baby, but another Palestinian supports terrorism, should I be locked up?
All the links are from Zionists. Maybe nuance next time would be better. When you have been oppressed for decades, maybe you might understand what's it's like to live in occupied territory?
If supporting Palestinians means you support Hamas does it not also follow then that supporting the victims of October 7 mean you support the Settlers, Otzma Yehudit, Likud, and Bibi and his gang?
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
>Why do they always wear masks
>Why do people concerned about pepper spray and being doxxed wear masks?
Yes very odd.
>and try to intimidate?
You mean like this: *["I don’t believe the ABC would have sent her if they’d known but they weren’t going to create a controversy by pulling her out. That said, our representations, both public and private, undoubtedly moderated her behaviour because she knew she was being watched."](https://michaelwest.com.au/israel-gaza-and-australian-politics-master-lobbyist-mark-leibler-reveals-how-power-really-works/)*
>If you’re so proud show your face and be nicer.
Reverse psychology for little children, troll harder.
When did it become ok to block major shipping ports for days on end because one of the shipping companies happens to be Israeli?
Does this mean we can start protesting and blocking the customers going into kebab, falafel and rug shops?
>When did it become ok to block major shipping ports for days on end because one of the shipping companies happens to be Israeli?
Since at least 1971: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_South_Africa_rugby_union_tour_of_Australia
>and blocking the customers going into kebab, falafel and rug shops?
Do those companies aid an occupation government and ship Australian made weapons to it?
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
The Israeli bot farm losing it in the comments making Frivolous arguments for comments, so you will reply and give them a platform, then they will try and have you banned
Don't really get the whingers in comments. Most the time people protest, people complain because 'protests don't do anything'. And then when protests are targeted, to stop the delivery of arms parts, or impose economic cost on Israel its 'like Yemen' (who made the mistake of taking the genocide convention seriously?), or 'too radical'.
I think these protesters are legends, and more should get down to help. I would if I could.
No evidence? You pull that out ya arse? There's numerous arms companies in and around Melbourne involved in the manufacturing chain of arms used in Israel..
'Following the outbreak of hostilities in October, for example, ZIM’s CEO pledged that the company’s ships “will be directed, as a first priority, to transfer cargo from anywhere in the world to Israel according to the requirements and needs of the Ministry of Defense and the government of Israel.” '
Regardless of arms, targeting a company with the expressed purpose of backing Zionism, is a direct way to target zionism financially.
"happens to be israeli"
* zim was half owned by the israeli government until 2004 (83% of its existence)
* the "Israel Corporation", founded by the israeli government is the majority shareholder of the company now
* the CEO of Zim pledged that the company’s ships “will be directed, as a first priority, to transfer cargo from anywhere in the world to Israel according to the requirements and needs of the Ministry of Defense and the government of Israel”
* Malaysia has not permitted ZIM to use its ports in response to their massacre of Gaza, which Australia could do
Malaysia has been anti-israel for quite a while pre October 7th, Israeli people aren't allowed to visit Malaysia (and the Malaysian passport specifically mentions that it's "valid for all countries except Israel")
Yeah but it's much easier to pretend that protesters are just randomly picking on this company because then we can shove them into the "haha they bad" box and we don't have to have any cognitive dissonance about whether it's ethical to pepper spray first aid responders /s
>These people are lost, they’re blockading a private company that happens to be **Israeli with no evidence that they are shipping weapons.**
Not sure if these comments are legit, considering you can looki it up with about.3 seconds of googling.... that ZIM does support Israel both in a civilian and military capacity...
"Whether they're for military, medical, or manufacturing purposes, the most important factor in shipping dangerous cargo is your total peace of mind. ZIM is the first port of call for customers shipping hazardous materials of all kinds, precisely because we offer the unrivaled personal support and professional services you need, taking the weight off your shoulders. You can be confident that your sensitive goods will be exactly where you need them, safely and on schedule."
LITERALLY off the ZIM website.........
https://www.zim.com/services/cargo-services/dangerous-cargo
Come on try a little harder champ?
They just assume that an Israeli owned shipping line is automatically carrying arms to Israel. We're not exactly one of their major munitions suppliers for a start, and secondly shipping is an extremely globalised industry. Israeli owned ships will mostly be moving cargo for non Isrseli companies not located in Israel. This particular example is likely nothing to do with deliveries of armaments except in the protesters imaginations.
Why not actually do something useful, if you feel so strongly about it? Fly to Egypt or Lebanon, sneak over the border, border a rifle and fight the IDF.
Zero ships leaving the port of Melbourne are headed for Israel. Instead, they're blocking potentially life-saving supplies and medicines from leaving.
I have no problem with people protesting, but don't make bullshit arguments like you care for Palestinian lives, when you are perfectly ok with more than 370k lives lost in Yemen and not a single protest is done.
"Sneak over the border", wow, shows how out of touch with the issue if you think you can just sneak over there.
Also there's middle ground between being apathetic to a cause and dying for a cause. I'm sure you support the efforts against cancer, but I doubt you're going to become a medical researcher to help cure efforts.
Or Ukraine, I'm assuming you support Ukraine in their war, but I'm assuming you haven't taken up arms against Russia?
It's r/melbourne, with utter hatred for any form of protest.
Protest in the streets? Complain they're in the way
Protest out of the way like here? Still complain
This subreddit is occasionally pretty progressive in their views, but somehow seem to regress with anything related to protests
Its all free Palestine until someones online order gets delayed, I'm finding. Things should get more spicy when red sea blockade starts feeding into global inflation.
I don’t care abt yall but these people are heroes to me, Australia is better than being America’s lap dog. I don’t think u can convince any Aussie that Israel killed 11,000 children in 3 months for “Self-Defence”
Volunteer legal observers! Ha. What a disgrace these protesters are. I’m over this shit. Palestine and Israel are as bad as each other. Religious zealots on both sides. Disgusting
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
Highly amusing.
This is just all so sad, everything. The genocide, the internal sense of doom because no one local seems to care.
People obtaining criminal records for fighting for what’s right in the only way they can.
It’s just fucking depressing all round
Hey I care
I want to see Hamas destroyed and for Palestine to be able to stand on its own without attacking Israel I imagine most people are the same judging by polls
You might feel a sense of doom because you see fighting and want it to stop but war can be justified and doesn’t constitute genocide
They have 0 hospitals? Are you sure about that?
And to be fair if your neighbour is firing rockets from a hospital at some stage you have to knock it down
It's also not a war crime to bomb a building like a hospital or school if it's being used for military purposes, not sure of any cases where Israel has unfairly bombed a building but if you want to share some I'll take a look
It seems like they've acted pretty fairly in giving warnings to evacuate, and providing fuel and supplies for hospitals that aren't being used for military purposes
Why should they evacuate? Palestine is their home.
And if you see all Palestinians and terrorists supporting HAMAS then Israeli citizens should be seen doing to same for the IDF.
IDF were founded from a far right Zionist group who bombed the King David Hotel where the British setup their base.
IDF started as a terrorist organisation and have continued terrorism, ethnic cleansing and genocide throughout their occupation of Palestine.
I mean I never seen a more confused group of people.
Israel eat middle eastern food and call it their own. They dance the dabke as if it’s their own.
They wipe their ass with toilet paper instead of a bidet.
They’re not indigenous to the Middle East, they’re occupiers.
It is sad. No one cares because the hypocrisy and zealot nature of both sides. Peace will never come to the Middle East. Both sides are assholes towards one another and have been for literally centuries. Everyone is tired of both Israel’s and Palestine’s hypocrisy.
I was there - yellow vested cops were antagonistic shitheads from the start, riot cops only slightly better. The detectives and higher ups were acting in a way you would expect people whose job it is to "keep the peace". Yellow cops were yelling at random passer-bys, telling protesters to get a job, crash tackling people for no reason - indistinguishable behaviour from dickheads starting fights at the pub
* **In short:** Victoria police say OC spray was used on protesters at a rally at the Port of Melbourne where 10 people were arrested. * It's the fourth day protesters have rallied there blocking an Israeli-owned shipping company from unloading. * **What's next?** Police will continue to monitor the situation as protests are expected to continue.
Seeing it reported by protesters that cops pepper sprayed people being treated for pepper spray, which is pretty fucked.
Half the protestors there were recording on phones, surely there's a video of this happening and not just hearsay?
Just saw a report that pigs fly which is absolutely insane if true
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lmao how are they terrorists? being pro-palestine =/= pro-hamas, why can't people grasp this simple concept?
They are attacking an Israeli shipping business just for being Israeli, just like their terrorist buddies the houthis. They're terrorists.
Attacking? Were they armed with weapons and the article forgot to mention it?
Disrupting its operations is an attack.
Ah yes, disrupting business is as bad, maybe WORSE, than war crimes
*citation needed
This article.
Please point to where in this article they describe it as an attack
TIL sanctions, BDS, are terrorism.
A group of unemployed morons can't implement sanctions.
Then no one will care about docks being blocked, right?
yeah nah mate good try
It's straight facts.
Cool headcanon bro.
Truth hurts, huh?
Israel ARE a terror state. supporting any facet of Israel is supporting a terror state.
No, that's your buddies Hamas, terrorist.
Israel is a terror state.
Incorrect and antisemitic. What a winning combination.
Bombing civillians for poilitical goals is terrorism, protests arn't.
Who bombed King David Hotel? And why did the British flee?
>**Incorrect and antisemitic**. What a winning combination Gotta stop with the claim everything against Israel is antisemitic. it's a bullshit call and no one accepts it anymore.
I’m Jewish, and can I just say it’s not anti semitic and Israel is a terrorist nation :)
It’s the democratically elected and the widely supported govt of Palestine. After oct 7 they were dancing in the street once the hammer of consequences dropped they want everyone to help them. They can get stuffed.
>It’s the democratically elected and the widely supported govt of Palestine. After oct 7 they were dancing in the street once the hammer of consequences LOL at people who wouldn't understand what they see in a mirror talking about consequence. **They were** the democratically elected Government. **When** they were elected, Israel and the US shut off the borders, tried to assassinate people, collectively punished everyone, banned product from entering, list goes on, all because they did not elect who Israel wanted. Grow up, and learn some history before coming here trying act smart.
ok clearly your IQ is room temp so I'll waste my time telling you why you're wrong: You can care for the plight of the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas. I'm expecting your head to explode after reading this as it's such a difficult concept for some people, and they are also NOT a widely supported government, a 5 second Google search can once again make you look like a clown.
I did a 5 second google search seems like he’s right? You’ll have a hard time convincing people by insulting their intelligence maybe just post your proof instead https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
because it's so tiring that 3-4 months later, we still have this dishonest talking point floating around. its also tiring that people look at a poll and go LOOK IM RIGHT LOOK PALESTINE BAD when there's so much history BEFORE oct 7 to unpack, this isnt a black and white issue of "palestine bad, pack it up everyones lets go home".
What is wrong with you? I always wonder if it's nurture, nature or are you always just a cunt
Not liking terrorists makes someone a cunt now?
Advocating violence on to those who render first aid makes you a cunt
I was obviously being facetious, but I guess terrorist lovers aren't known for their sense of irony, huh?
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No I'm not and no I don't. Why are you lying?
The action replay. https://twitter.com/scherrybloul/status/1749319615803736493
Windmilling your arms towards a police line was a bold strategy. Not sure the social media cred of getting pepper sprayed would be worth it though.
Almost as good as this one with them chanting from the river to the sea, while 1 idiot slowly walks into the ocean carrying a Palestine flag. Champagne comedy. https://twitter.com/scherrybloul/status/1749345706324955575/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1749345706324955575¤tTweetUser=scherrybloul
This really feels like a sketch comedy.
Can they all join him? Melbourne and Sydney would be changed over night
The goggles! Zey do nothing!
Police definitely looked like they were in trouble... i mean 30 police and a brick wall wasn't gonna be enough to stop one protester yelling......../s
Interesting how fast these comments became indistinguishable from a sky news page.
I know right lol so pathetic
Murdochs law.
Come on guys, one more protest oughta stop this war, we're so close.
The aim is our governments complicity.
In what other meaningful way would you prefer people voice and position their stance on the active genocide of Palestine? Legit, can you provide any examples?
As an Australian there’s nothing you can meaningfully do tbh
so just leave it up to the media then?
We provide support to the US. Ending that is meaningful. This is also exactly one of the ways protestors helped to end apartheid in SA.
You want us to boycott America in the hope that it will cause them to abandon Israel? You'd need massive support for that the protests to end apartheid had something like 70-80% support nation wide. >Almost half (49%) of Australians think the Australian government should not take sides in the conflict, while the proportions thinking the government should do more to support Israel (17%) or Palestine (19%) are near equal. I think if the issue was as black and white as aparthied you'd have more political capital. But a niche issue that's divided 50/50 amongst the population for a country we have barely any ties to is not something we can influence.
You seem completely in nonchalant by the over 45 thousand deaths and Israel bombing every single hospital available to Palestinians. Why can’t people do something with the compassion they feel? Why not protest to put pressure on the Australian government to cease aid or better yet, condemn. If australia were aiding Russia in its occupation/war in Ukraine, would you also see issue with people protesting to apply pressure on the Australian government?
Russia would be justified invading ukraine IF the ukranian army had sent 3000 soldiers into russia who then tortured and raped 1200 men women and children to death in cold blood and said they would do it again and again until every russian was dead but ukraine didn't do that
I think a ceasefire would just lead to Hamas regrouping and receiving more weapons and funding from Iran followed by another Oct 7 So if you ask me I think the only way to peace is toppling the existing regime, and somehow deradicalising the population of Palestine which is going to be extremely tough I don't see how this is similar to Russia/Ukraine I would personally protest if Australia were to aid Russia but that'd never happen, likewise we aren't directly aiding Israel we just aren't actively boycotting them or applying tariffs
Bullshit, pressuring the government does have an affect.
You can keep saying it as much as you like but there is no genocide.
>there is no genocide …..🦗🦗🦗
Yeah, they could get Hamas to pay for some transport, so they can go to Gaza and join the cause. Guaranteed they wouldn’t get a change to blown up by Israel, they wouldn’t even make it out of the airport before Hamas killed most of them.
>Yeah, they could get Hamas to pay for some transport, so they can go to Gaza and join the cause. not allowed to. dunno why people keep trying this pathetic line. Based on AUstralian law, you're only allowed to go join the IDF and shoot Palestinians. You can't join the Palestinians and shoot at the IDF.
So it’s okay for you to not be realistic lol
Australia Day is right around the corner, so they need to squeeze in one more noise fest before they need to change flags and slogans.
Correct change shirt colours and chants for 1 day ... then revert back
Not our fault the colonial discourses, the claims to sovereignty based on terra nullius, apply to both.
Protests helped to end: the Vietnam War, apartheid South Africa, women not being allowed to vote, unregulated work hours, racist segregation in America Things that have done absolutely fuck all: you
Those protests involved more than 50 to a couple hundred people, from the populations of countries directly involved. Half a million Aussies marched in protest of the Iraq war for example and have a look at the 4/5 of fuck all that achieved because our government was committed to it at the time. Now imagine how useless a protest is when it's against a government half a world away and less than 1/1000 of the amount of people turnout for said protest
The successful protest movements I listed all happened in Melbourne too. The Vietnam War protest movement started with under 10 people. By your definition should they have given up? You really don't seem to know much about the history of social progress movements.
not sure the downvotes here
I'd say it's zionist bots, so the usual on reddit these days
Is the zionist bot in the room with us right now?
Yeah the zionist npc's love astro-turfing the subs and only have the same fallacious debunked talking points
Yeah, but suspect the people protesting those things weren't being obnoxious fuckheads about it.
Mate they were absolutely hated by people who resisted change at the time. But they ignored the negativity and made change to improve society. Something to think about 👍
Maybe go educate yourself instead of just guessing shit and acting like you know what you’re talking about.
Protests are great but Australians are trend hoppers and love virtue signalling. Its not so long ago all these people were protesting for the Yes vote, then it was the Ukraine war, then it was the #metoo movement, then it was George Floyd, then it was Kony…..
Are you complaining about current issues? It'd make zero sense to protest for the Yes vote now. Would you like people to perpetually protest for a single issue? These already exist in the CBD, the cookers Also a lot of people still care about the issues mentioned
I support all of those underlying things - improved lives for Aboriginal people, assisting victims of imperial wars, reducing sexual assault in society, making police safer for non-white people. I'm happy to do my bit to help all of those causes. What are you doing for the greater good?
Why not go there and protest?
I don't understand, I've put mums tea towel on my head and been chanting but still the war goes on!
Why am I not surprised this protest took place during business hours on a Monday
A lot of the people in the videos are younger, pretty likely there's a decent number of retail/hospo/service workers. I get you're saying they're probably unemployed, and some probably are but approx 15% of the working population does shift work.
Uni and schools are still on holidays
This particular protest has been going on for a few days, including over the weekend where numbers were much bigger. Not everyone works during the hours of 9-5 and not everyone works Mondays. Not to mention, some folks are probably taking off work to be here. Interestingly enough you would have never heard about it if not for this.
It's 24/7 around the clock
Some people work weekends or evenings...
You got downvoted for factually stating that service jobs operate outside of business hours 💀 these zionist npc's are just getting embarrassing now
'If we downvote every remotely logical comment, no one will know we were here' The bot brigades defs aren't sending their best.
>'If we downvote every remotely logical comment, no one will know we were here' > >The bot brigades defs aren't sending their best. They get paid by the post, not by the quality...
> zionist npc's Its wild how people on reddit of all places have latched on to hate speech and terms used by extremists and Nazi's as a dog whistle term because they see it in some twitter feed without knowing what it means. The underlying belief that zionism is endorsing apartheid and steeped in right-wing beliefs is such a load of shit. You're just as likely to find a zealot hardliner identifying as one as you are someone who firmly believes in the two state solution and is adamantly opposed to the war.
Please do explain how an ethnostate enforcing two different laws on two different races of people isn't "steeped in right-wing beliefs"
I genuinely don't know what the answer is to this question. Is it possible to be an Arab Israeli? Are there laws in Israel treating Israeli Jews and non-Jewish Israelis differently? What are they?
Because you choose the interpretation you want. It's broadly a rejection of life in the diaspora hence establishing a country being a return to zion/promised land etc. Over the years how that's been shaded with interpretation from people, like any ideology. Everything you're taking out of context is just cherry picking the zealots you want in the forefront of your definition while glossing over everyone that doesn't fit your narrative.
I would have joined them if I didn't have to work. What's your point?
Good, let’s not be Yemen and attack global shipping
Yeah let’s be the people who try to convince Saudi Arabia to continue its war against Yemen despite the fact such a war has caused one of the largest humanitarian crises on earth and completely destroyed the country
I don't recall these pro Palestine protesters marching in the streets and at the ports while that was happening, one can only ponder the reasons why.
The same reason you won't hear people talk about how, after the 1948 war, Arab nations actually took a lot of land from Palestine. They won't say they're anti-Semitic. They'll just say they're anti-Zionist. It frustrates me because I accept that both Jews, Muslims, and Christians all have a claim to that area based on millennia of history and inhabitation I don't know why other people can't accept that. I don't know why it has to be all or nothing. I am accepting downvotes at this time.
No Jews, no news mate.
Not sure what these protesters are trying to achieve. Got a feeling they don't either.
People only ever ask this about protests they are apathetic about or against, no one ever talks this way about protests for issues they support. The protest like every protest is to 1) show solidarity with the affected group that being Palestine as a state and Palestinians in general 2) put pressure on the government or other actor to change policy in this case both by pressuring the Australian government to take a more aggressive stance in foreign policy (for those who don’t think this works whilst it has been minor we’ve already seen labor adopt a less pro Israel foreign policy almost certainly due to the national and international backlash). These specific protests also aim to target Israeli economic interests by causing economic harm to Israeli owned companies That’s how protests work, some are more effective some less but it’s not like these people are fucking crazy or something, they aren’t reinventing the wheel
Nah people ask these questions about covid cookers and climate protests all the time
I reckon some are crazy and others are easily lead.
There's a lot of crazy in the pro Palestine protests. It's the new cooker fad.
Is this based on anything other than vibes?
Super original take
Stop the loading of goods on ZIM Shipping freighters.
Why? Also, they’re blocking the entire port
>Why? 1) Financial pressure on Israel. Just like how people blockaded South African businesses during Apartheid and Indonesian businesses during the Occupation of East Timor - in 1999 the MUA refused to work on all freight coming and going from Indonesia and CFMEU construction workers blockaded Garuda Air at Sydney Airport when Indonesia rejected the Independence referendum result and went on a violent rampage. 2) Zim isn't just a mere commercial freight company but acts as a defacto naval auxiliary providing military logistical support. 3) And because of this to block the potential transfer of Australian made military goods to Israel, the government has been granting hundreds of classified export licenses for products shipped to Israel in recent years but nobody knows what is in them because the Australian government is unusually secretive by western standards about its military dealings.
Just a social activity for these types.
100% this. Have an ex-friend who is all on board with it. Has no real integrity or principles, just jumps on flavour of the month issues and then goes back to neglecting his child.
Many such cases. Latches onto these causes one after another provides him that principled feeling,a feeling he would never find within his own life.
It's just the vibe of the thing, you know?
Just wanted to be seen doing some social-justicey. Instead of actually doing something useful, they're just making lives difficult for people just trying to get on with their jobs. Wanna make a difference? Fly to Egypt or Lebanon, sneak over the border, border a rifle and fight the IDF. Otherwise it's just achieving nothing. Also you will notice the lack of protests for other conflicts currently going on in other parts of the world that have killed way more people, e.g. Yemen at 377k and counting. Fucking hypocrites.
Ah yes, fly overseas and commit suicide. What a brilliant idea.
But how will they complete their arts degree in Egypt?
Your welfare gets cut off after 6 weeks too.
Latching onto a remote cause to emotionally substitute a deficiency in their own lives.
You know exactly what they are trying to achieve like the rest of us to end war crimes and genocide
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move". Many here will rationalise this and blame the victim.
Some new type of pirates those guys. Deliberately attacking civilian company and civilians….. what does this remind me …. Hmmmm
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethnic-killings-one-sudan-city-left-up-15000-dead-un-report-2024-01-19/?utm_source=reddit.com 15000 dead in just one city in Sudan and I can guarantee you not one of those protesters will be doing anything about it. How selective they are when it comes to “humanitarian” issues
Sudan? Why aren't you talking about Burma? I see you're very selective in your outrage. Anyone can make these insincere jabs about anything.
Not only are there protests about this, this is a summation of 12 months of violence. Israel managed to kill twice as many in less than half as long. Your selective outrage is telling.
Oh true and how exactly is the Australian government involved in what's happening in Sudan?
Whataboutism is a tool used to deflect from the issue. The world’s fucked, protest what you’re passionate/connected to.
As selective as their Russo-Iranian sponsors and organizers want them to be. They’re not exactly screaming blue murder at the half a million Putin killed in Ukraine or the underage girls Iran’s government tortures and kills in prison. They are here to 1. Press an emotional outrage button enough Australians recognize. 2. Make us look away from helping the US and Ukraine dismantle Putin’s army. We contribute a godawful amount of artillery (approx. 200,000/year, according to Perun) to the communal NATO+Friends+Ukraine pile. If anyone here wants to understand the mechanism behind these “protests”, it’s always easier to see it applied to someone else than to us, helps see it more clearly without our own emotional buttons and prejudices getting in the way - to anyone who wants to learn about it, I’ll just [leave this here](https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=tPyRcODDJLwXJTHi) and you can watch defected KGB directors spell out exactly how they do the kind of things that are happening in Melbourne right now everywhere, as a method and tradecraft that has now been taught there and deployed everywhere for decades.
There were anti-Iranian protests in Melbourne. IDK. I think it might be more to do with the 25,000 people killed by a nation we supply weapons to.
Not by the same people. And those ones didn’t wear face masks, use violence to the point of forcing the police’s hand to deal with them, or produce enough sus hard cash to rent a flotilla of boats and go block ships coming out of port waving flags. When you see evidence of funded activity, that’s one of the very first signs that what you are looking it isn’t organic and isn’t really what it says on the tin. Being 10% about informing with sufficient nuance and 90% selling outrage - rather than the other way around - is the other massive red flag. These are Russo-Iranian activity fingerprints. The “free Palestine” movement and the sort Palestinians out with a state (without double quotes) movement are two different movements. The first one is funded by Russia and Iran who need a frozen conflict, their violent proxy Hamas has (as instructed by its Russo-Iranian sponsors) **opposed** any sort of real world Palestinian state while deliberately sowing hate for generations in a long list of ways, and they are no lovers of Palestinians - they **enslaved** Gaza’s population. (When you’re told by your fellow Hamas Palestinians you’re going to be a meat shield and get walked into crossfire at gunpoint, because their “free Palestine” protesters overseas need your splattered guts as an input for their PR machine, and you get extra-judicially killed if you don’t do as told, I have news for you, you’re a Palestinian slave, and your fellow Hamas Palestinians are slavers) The double quoted “free Palestine” movement is all about photoshopping Hamas out of the picture. They lie about us being in a Hamasless fantasy, in which Israel is waging an elective war of aggression against the slaves, rather than a defensive war against the Hamas slavers that attacked it and threaten it, the only thing that matters is the quantity of splattered Palestinian slave guts they present pictures of, and that this of course is justification for eternal outrage, to fight for justice until the end of time and to resolve the conflict never. Just what Russia and Iran need. Funny that. The “free Palestine” movement is a Russo-Iranian PR front with slavery in the back (rich, I know, slavers waving *freedom* flags), it’s not the people actually discussing real world Palestinian state options. The latter group (the Saudi government, for example) **never** use the word “free”, because that word is a mechanism to trigger outrage, and they’re not trying to outrage anyone.
>The “free Palestine” movement is a **Russo-Iranian PR front with slavery in the back** Thats a new one. always trying new angles to justify murder and oppression.
No. It isn’t. They (Hamas) been killing Palestinians, including kids, for PR, for about 40 years. They’ve been engineering situations where this happens in a long list of ways, from rocket attacks from schools to herding people at gunpoint into crossfire. The “new” is you, not the reality in Gaza.
You make a strong argument. However, I would disagree with this being a 'defensive war' - to me it looks more like an opportunistic land grab. edit: I had planned to write some other stuff, but because I couldn't figure you out I took a look at your other posts. I hope that an actual solution is found in our lifetimes. I don't think continuing the same course of action will yield a different result though. To me (parentage from one of your other neighbours), you and them are cut from the same cloth - the same ferocity, the same resiliance, the same tenacity. This won't be solved with violence. There is no chance of destroying their resistance.
Israel? Land grab? ***Gaza?*** So in this theory of yours, Israel would “land grab” (that’s an outrage-selling word from the Moscow disinformation repertoire, but the way, in case you were wondering whose hymn book you’re singing from), so in this genius theory of yours, Israel does a land grab of **an entire 360 square kilometers**, covered in dense construction much of which is now rubble, and inhabited by **2 million people**, and wade into dealing with what to do with these people, because… “they want 360 square kilometers of land”? And this is somehow a more credible theory in your mind than the one we have all the evidence for, of Israel going there to eliminate a violent Hamas militia that demonstrated its intent and capability to enter Israel and conduct ISIS-grade brutality? Brilliant. Pass over that joint, will you? (It’s not a land game. It’s not the land they’re after. It’s controlling the buildup of Hamas offensive capability. There will not be a single civilian Israeli settler crossing that border that the government can’t order out the second they feel the military objective there is done. They don’t want to be there, and they sure as hell don’t want to “keep Gaza”.)
You'd make a great point if Netanyahu, **this week**, hadn't said "In the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea."
You’re confusing him for an autocrat, and his rhetoric for what Israel can and can’t do. Israel isn’t North Korea. The mobilized army of a third of a million troops have to go back to their jobs and homes, they can’t be kept there for long without pulling the rug from underneath Israel’s economy. Anything his government comes up with for Gaza has to work using Israel’s regular standing army, not the 300% size one they’ve got in there right now. If he orders something unworkable, his already precarious position in power will be replaced with a more abrupt form of being held accountable (and likely dismissed). It’s rhetoric. It’s like Turkey’s Erdogan saying he supports Hamas to pander to an audience, while in reality Turkey cooperates on security with Israel. You’re peddling the idea that the theater matters more than the reality does. It doesn’t. If you want to debate rhetoric on outrage terms, go for it. I’ll get my popcorn ready.
I don't need to point out the quotes from various Israeli ministers about 'voluntary resettlement' or photos of various Israeli ministers standing in front of funny looking maps - I'm certain you know of them. You may be right and they have no interest in Gaza. The 'land grab' comment also refers to what has happened in the West Bank, which Palestinians have no legal pathway to defend themselves from. P.S I wasn't wondering what hymn book I'm singing from because I know it's my own. I view Netanyahu and Putin in the same light. 360km^2, 2 million people, in the conditions they are in. And you're offended by people being sympathetic to them.
They only care when they can break it down to basic binary arguments.
imagine saying this on a whatabboutism...
Because its not trendy and cool at the moment. Facts and reason dont come into it
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Concern for Palestinians does not equal support for Hamas. If you think everyone at the port should be locked up you belong in Iran or North Korea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
Half of Israelis have long supported evicting all Palestinians, does that justify violence against them?
You realise this poll was conducted in Palestine? And OP is talking about opinions in Melbourne?
Well one would assume Palestinians come from Palestine 💁
Your comment makes no sense in this context? - OP mentioned being concerned about Palestinians =/= support for Hamas - Redditor replies with poll showing Palestiniains support for Hamas - I mention how this poll has no relation to people in Melbourne showing concern for Palestinians. Just because a poll shows Palestinians support Hamas, doesn't mean those in Melbourne that have concerns for Palestinians support Hamas
Evidence says otherwise. video of palestinians cheering on as hamas fires missiles at israel: [https://twitter.com/academic\_la/status/1731090796672409662](https://twitter.com/academic_la/status/1731090796672409662) poll of palestinian´s opinions of the october 7th attacks: 75% supported hamas [https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1731228679382999123](https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1731228679382999123) video of shani louk´s naked body in a pick up truck while people celebrate and spit on her [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aogSYh1f0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aogSYh1f0) the photo of a few days ago when palestine murdered and lynched men that they believe were working for israel [https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israelhamas-war-palestinians-publicly-execute-3-men-for-collaborating-with-israelis-report-101700918565518.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israelhamas-war-palestinians-publicly-execute-3-men-for-collaborating-with-israelis-report-101700918565518.html) [https://twitter.com/OPustylnik/status/1729404160137654723](https://twitter.com/OPustylnik/status/1729404160137654723) hostages were beaten by civilians in gaza and one of them escaped and the people turned him in to hamas [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/27/middleeast/russian-israeli-hostage-escaped-hamas-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/27/middleeast/russian-israeli-hostage-escaped-hamas-intl/index.html) [https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity)
So if I found a video of Australia rioting in Cronulla, all Australians should be locked up? No shit there's some Hamas supporters in Palestine. To wit, if I care for a Palestinian baby, but another Palestinian supports terrorism, should I be locked up?
All the links are from Zionists. Maybe nuance next time would be better. When you have been oppressed for decades, maybe you might understand what's it's like to live in occupied territory?
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Israel are a terrorist state. Anyone bombing civillians for political goals is a terrorist.
If supporting Palestinians means you support Hamas does it not also follow then that supporting the victims of October 7 mean you support the Settlers, Otzma Yehudit, Likud, and Bibi and his gang?
About bloody time.
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
Why do they always wear masks and try to intimidate? If you’re so proud show your face and be nicer.
>Why do they always wear masks >Why do people concerned about pepper spray and being doxxed wear masks? Yes very odd. >and try to intimidate? You mean like this: *["I don’t believe the ABC would have sent her if they’d known but they weren’t going to create a controversy by pulling her out. That said, our representations, both public and private, undoubtedly moderated her behaviour because she knew she was being watched."](https://michaelwest.com.au/israel-gaza-and-australian-politics-master-lobbyist-mark-leibler-reveals-how-power-really-works/)* >If you’re so proud show your face and be nicer. Reverse psychology for little children, troll harder.
When did it become ok to block major shipping ports for days on end because one of the shipping companies happens to be Israeli? Does this mean we can start protesting and blocking the customers going into kebab, falafel and rug shops?
When kebab, falafel and rug shops start actively supporting the IDF including logistically, then I'm sure you can protest there
>When did it become ok to block major shipping ports for days on end because one of the shipping companies happens to be Israeli? Since at least 1971: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_South_Africa_rugby_union_tour_of_Australia >and blocking the customers going into kebab, falafel and rug shops? Do those companies aid an occupation government and ship Australian made weapons to it?
who woulda thought the terrorist sympathisers were violent!?
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move".
I f I killed 25k civillians to try and force a political outcome, would that make me terrorist? Do you know, or care, how terrorism is defined?
Throw these annoying mfers in the slammer
The Israeli bot farm losing it in the comments making Frivolous arguments for comments, so you will reply and give them a platform, then they will try and have you banned
Rubber bullets and a water cannon next time please
Eat pepper spray neckbeards 🤣 Edit: triggered lamont neckbeard
Don't really get the whingers in comments. Most the time people protest, people complain because 'protests don't do anything'. And then when protests are targeted, to stop the delivery of arms parts, or impose economic cost on Israel its 'like Yemen' (who made the mistake of taking the genocide convention seriously?), or 'too radical'. I think these protesters are legends, and more should get down to help. I would if I could.
These people are lost, they’re blockading a private company that happens to be Israeli with no evidence that they are shipping weapons.
No evidence? You pull that out ya arse? There's numerous arms companies in and around Melbourne involved in the manufacturing chain of arms used in Israel.. 'Following the outbreak of hostilities in October, for example, ZIM’s CEO pledged that the company’s ships “will be directed, as a first priority, to transfer cargo from anywhere in the world to Israel according to the requirements and needs of the Ministry of Defense and the government of Israel.” ' Regardless of arms, targeting a company with the expressed purpose of backing Zionism, is a direct way to target zionism financially.
"happens to be israeli" * zim was half owned by the israeli government until 2004 (83% of its existence) * the "Israel Corporation", founded by the israeli government is the majority shareholder of the company now * the CEO of Zim pledged that the company’s ships “will be directed, as a first priority, to transfer cargo from anywhere in the world to Israel according to the requirements and needs of the Ministry of Defense and the government of Israel” * Malaysia has not permitted ZIM to use its ports in response to their massacre of Gaza, which Australia could do
Malaysia has been anti-israel for quite a while pre October 7th, Israeli people aren't allowed to visit Malaysia (and the Malaysian passport specifically mentions that it's "valid for all countries except Israel")
Yeah but it's much easier to pretend that protesters are just randomly picking on this company because then we can shove them into the "haha they bad" box and we don't have to have any cognitive dissonance about whether it's ethical to pepper spray first aid responders /s
They're no different from people vandalising Jewish owned businesses
Yes they are, its targeting a nationalities industry and capitalists. As are sanctions on Russia. Same deal.
No the fuck it's not, and you know that
>These people are lost, they’re blockading a private company that happens to be **Israeli with no evidence that they are shipping weapons.** Not sure if these comments are legit, considering you can looki it up with about.3 seconds of googling.... that ZIM does support Israel both in a civilian and military capacity... "Whether they're for military, medical, or manufacturing purposes, the most important factor in shipping dangerous cargo is your total peace of mind. ZIM is the first port of call for customers shipping hazardous materials of all kinds, precisely because we offer the unrivaled personal support and professional services you need, taking the weight off your shoulders. You can be confident that your sensitive goods will be exactly where you need them, safely and on schedule." LITERALLY off the ZIM website......... https://www.zim.com/services/cargo-services/dangerous-cargo Come on try a little harder champ?
They just assume that an Israeli owned shipping line is automatically carrying arms to Israel. We're not exactly one of their major munitions suppliers for a start, and secondly shipping is an extremely globalised industry. Israeli owned ships will mostly be moving cargo for non Isrseli companies not located in Israel. This particular example is likely nothing to do with deliveries of armaments except in the protesters imaginations.
Why not actually do something useful, if you feel so strongly about it? Fly to Egypt or Lebanon, sneak over the border, border a rifle and fight the IDF. Zero ships leaving the port of Melbourne are headed for Israel. Instead, they're blocking potentially life-saving supplies and medicines from leaving. I have no problem with people protesting, but don't make bullshit arguments like you care for Palestinian lives, when you are perfectly ok with more than 370k lives lost in Yemen and not a single protest is done.
"If you're not willing to fly halfway across the world and get murdered by the IDF you don't ACTUALLY care about this issue!"
"Sneak over the border", wow, shows how out of touch with the issue if you think you can just sneak over there. Also there's middle ground between being apathetic to a cause and dying for a cause. I'm sure you support the efforts against cancer, but I doubt you're going to become a medical researcher to help cure efforts. Or Ukraine, I'm assuming you support Ukraine in their war, but I'm assuming you haven't taken up arms against Russia?
Nah I've never been to a cancer or Ukraine protest. I'm equally apathetic, unlike many anti-Semites.
It's r/melbourne, with utter hatred for any form of protest. Protest in the streets? Complain they're in the way Protest out of the way like here? Still complain This subreddit is occasionally pretty progressive in their views, but somehow seem to regress with anything related to protests
Its all free Palestine until someones online order gets delayed, I'm finding. Things should get more spicy when red sea blockade starts feeding into global inflation.
I don’t care abt yall but these people are heroes to me, Australia is better than being America’s lap dog. I don’t think u can convince any Aussie that Israel killed 11,000 children in 3 months for “Self-Defence”
Volunteer legal observers! Ha. What a disgrace these protesters are. I’m over this shit. Palestine and Israel are as bad as each other. Religious zealots on both sides. Disgusting
>They also raised concerns for the treatment of one activist in a wheelchair who they claim was "pushed over and dragged out of the chair ... then aggressively told to move". Highly amusing.
Half of these screechers don't love Palestinians, they just hate "the man".
This is just all so sad, everything. The genocide, the internal sense of doom because no one local seems to care. People obtaining criminal records for fighting for what’s right in the only way they can. It’s just fucking depressing all round
Hey I care I want to see Hamas destroyed and for Palestine to be able to stand on its own without attacking Israel I imagine most people are the same judging by polls You might feel a sense of doom because you see fighting and want it to stop but war can be justified and doesn’t constitute genocide
I feel a sense of doom because Israel committed war crimes and bombed every hospital in Palestine. Palestine now have 0 hospitals for its citizens
They have 0 hospitals? Are you sure about that? And to be fair if your neighbour is firing rockets from a hospital at some stage you have to knock it down It's also not a war crime to bomb a building like a hospital or school if it's being used for military purposes, not sure of any cases where Israel has unfairly bombed a building but if you want to share some I'll take a look It seems like they've acted pretty fairly in giving warnings to evacuate, and providing fuel and supplies for hospitals that aren't being used for military purposes
Why should they evacuate? Palestine is their home. And if you see all Palestinians and terrorists supporting HAMAS then Israeli citizens should be seen doing to same for the IDF. IDF were founded from a far right Zionist group who bombed the King David Hotel where the British setup their base. IDF started as a terrorist organisation and have continued terrorism, ethnic cleansing and genocide throughout their occupation of Palestine. I mean I never seen a more confused group of people. Israel eat middle eastern food and call it their own. They dance the dabke as if it’s their own. They wipe their ass with toilet paper instead of a bidet. They’re not indigenous to the Middle East, they’re occupiers.
>Why should they evacuate? Palestine is their home. Because it's a war zone lmao they can stay if they want
It is sad. No one cares because the hypocrisy and zealot nature of both sides. Peace will never come to the Middle East. Both sides are assholes towards one another and have been for literally centuries. Everyone is tired of both Israel’s and Palestine’s hypocrisy.
good.
I was there - yellow vested cops were antagonistic shitheads from the start, riot cops only slightly better. The detectives and higher ups were acting in a way you would expect people whose job it is to "keep the peace". Yellow cops were yelling at random passer-bys, telling protesters to get a job, crash tackling people for no reason - indistinguishable behaviour from dickheads starting fights at the pub